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#suggestions-discussion
cobalt pewter
cobalt heath
multiclass being made into an actual class is cool
stable musk
After split when i played ranged i thought
– oh cool i can choose whatever i want. i want revive
but I didn't got ranged bonus
frozen hornet
Fearmonger doesn't have multiple helmets 
unique vector
single class armors allow for better specialization in effects and set bonuses
having an armor be 5-piece (is boring) forces the armor to be more generalized and therefore loses its flexibility in being unique or interactive for the player outside of tacked on stats/buffs
small timber
wait is the only case of 5 class helmet armor in vanilla just ore armor?
unique vector
you also shouldnt be under the mindset that you should be allowed to use and play anything as a single class
small timber
since calamity added so much I kinda forget about it
unique vector
wait is the only case of 5 class helmet armor in vanilla just ore armor?
prolly
frail mantle
wait is the only case of 5 class helmet armor in vanilla just ore armor?
there's obviously no 5 class helmet armor but hallowed armor has a helmet for every class
unique vector
we’re trying to cut down on calamity 5-class sets
small timber
(well hallowed is kinda an ore armor is some sense) but ya I guess that too
cobalt heath
if you play mage you should have the weaknesess off one
unique vector
eh, disagree
going mage shouldnt automatically put you in the role of glass cannon
small timber
doesnt mage have the most 1 class armor in the game? because donor
unique vector
that should be up to your build
frail mantle
other than that though the sets either exclude summoner or are class specific
unique vector
doesnt mage have the most 1 class armor in the game? because donor
sorta?
cobalt heath
yeah but the base is that mage should be a little less bulky, cause if it could do all well its unbalanced
like melee
small timber
what is class identity beside the weapon they use really, cause the only case was vanilla shroomite armor
cobalt heath
but i dont want to punish mage for playing the class no, but the base should be that you have better-ish dps and sarcrifise a little off bulk for it
small timber
where: melee is tanky as fuck, ranger has probably (the best) single target damage, mage has alternative healing, summoner has armor made of paper (but in theory) high dps and also no need to aim
cobalt pewter
defense difference doesn't matter between most classes
small timber
it is more set bonus than defense tbh
and defense difference of most calamity armor is not that big
cobalt heath
yeah and i believe that calamity does my point well atm
cobalt pewter
I was saying defense in general
everyone aside from melee is equivalently fragile bar specific armors and set bonuses
small timber
mage still have like the best aoe, just that rogue also exist
and (should had been) the only class accessing alternative healing, as the other class (generally) only get it at auric tesla with healing orb
cobalt heath
rogue puts all other classes into a weird spot imo
small timber
(just that rogue also have lots of healing for some reason)
since for things like melee and ranger it is almost always very specific case (melee = vampire knifes, ranger =bloodflare arrow etc), or tarragon set bonus
cobalt heath
it has kinda all kinds off damage and is the best overall dps class imo, it had good defence and good healing and the best burst in the game
keen zealot
I was saying defense in general
everyone aside from melee is equivalently fragi...
found "the one" cherry-picked example that says no
it seems to trend in general that melee >>> ranger >= rogue > mage > summoner
cobalt heath
melee isnt that good ( wait it was for defence)
small timber
most calamity armor generally have difference of melee and summoner be around 30
keen zealot
uh, no
unique vector
mungus
small timber
though you probably shouldnt compare the designated tank class to designated paper class, ranger compare summoner is more fair\
so like 90 vs 72
keen zealot
which is a pretty big difference
small timber
but it is not instantly "this class is instantenously fragile" kinda difference
for example this (let me take pic)
cobalt heath
me too tbh
small timber
it was may too many things stack on it
cobalt heath
it just too good at everything
small timber
it is a class focus on damage (stealth strike) that has healing, i-frame, teleport, some QoL, movement speed
small timber
so like 90 vs 72
ya that is what I mean, so this suddenly dont seem that much
solar is 94 because calamity buffed it, so I adjusted the number, in vanilla it is 78
muted osprey
there's like 5 million memes out there about how "haha stardust armor has less defense than an armor set which almost makes you naked"
(monk armor)
cobalt heath
tbh stardust should be buffed
stable musk
stardust has 38 defense
Vanilla scal damage
small timber
(for how bad stardust is you can refer to this) #suggestions-voting message , this is on top of the fact that calamity nerfed it by 2 minion slot ( 5-> 3)
stable musk
In master mode
Summoner can take only 2 hits
cobalt heath
my god its so bad
small timber
ya, summoner need to wait 1.4 to have an actually decent set bonus (which highly likely will get nerfed in calmaity btw)
stable musk
Scal damage but vanilla scaled
small timber
because that set bonus is too strong, just like how stardust dragon is nerfed 50%
cobalt heath
but on the topic off rogue changes
should we take away properties (make it less overloaded) or nerf its properties till its balanced
keen zealot
for reference empyrean armour, the luminite equivalent for rogue, has 71 defense
small timber
both armor set bonus and accessory is too strong, and I dont know how much nerf suggestion then to get voted
cobalt heath
yeah cause my kind off rogue simps hate nerfs
cause it was after 1.5 that it got this strong
whenever i have tried to bring this subject up w rogue simps the counter argument has always been ''Just buff other classes, melee is comparable to rogue and its not considered broken''
small timber
just roughly looking at rogue accessory, these are overpowered: Abyssal Mirror (dodge + stealth gen + damage), Dark God Sheath (guaranteed crit + 50% stealth strike + gen + damage + crit), Eclipse Mirror (let's just combine the former 2 OP accessory to save 1 slot), Electrician Glove (with some weapon this is pre-nerf Spectre bar lifesteal without being nerfed by lifesteal nerf), Moonstone Crown (this thing has ridiculous damage), Vampiric Talisman (just give rogue a 1 accessory lifesteal why not), Ruin medallion (early 50% stealth strike), Nanotech (combined accessory, again)
and the bunch of projectile spawning accessory but I dont know which one are still OP
melee is nowhere rogue, it is more that melee weapon are broken, the inherent accessory and armor set of the class is not even good
frozen hornet
Blunderbooster too
small timber
especially that elemental gauntlet is mega nerfed to not have ichor and cursed flame now
frozen hornet
the dash-wrong-once-and-explode-into-holy-fire
cobalt heath
melee is by stats comparble, but not by properties
rogue can do so much more than every other class
frozen hornet
whenever i have tried to bring this subject up w rogue simps the counter argumen...
Also that just sounds like you've been talking to the wrong crowd lol
small timber
ya because things like dragon rage - thanatos meme and violence - ares, and ark of the cosmos make melee seem decent, but all of that is just weapon
small timber
the only 1 truly completely overpowered melee accessory is Bloody Worm Scarf (and tipsy buff I guess)
cobalt heath
and rogue has progression based accessorys
small timber
that thing give 10% melee damage, 10% melee speed and 10 DR, for no reason whatsoever, so it is best in slot for like, literally to post-Scal
cobalt heath
like abyssal mirror
melee has decent base stats and good weapons but rogue can do all better. Rogue has mf 2 immunity frame dodges
ruby plover
it does get an upgrade too
core of the blood god
tho i think it loses the melee stuff
small timber
and the upgrade is actually worse for melee, just ok for all class
it lose melee speed
(I actually almost tried to in my yoyo test)
but DR stacking get diminishing return so decided against it (and yoyo dont care about melee speed)
cobalt heath
just roughly looking at rogue accessory, these are overpowered: Abyssal Mirror (...
Can i Take this message into My sugg
@small timber
small timber
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you can* but I will recommend you to reformat one yourself
because it is not exactly 100% accurate description, you probably should get someone who play rogue more than me
cobalt heath
i do play rogue a ton
cobalt heath
i have 500+ hours on rogue, i am just very lazy
small timber
wait it somehow did not get changed after the discussion
oh well, it is not getting accepted anyway ("just make angel altar that give souls of light LOL")
golden tulip
dude
idk what this dude is talking about
i got souls of light within an hour of entering hardmode
you want them faster??
small timber
or they can literally just spawn 3 king slimes, or slower method hallow crate and fish of light exist
cobalt heath
getting souls of light by sk method is so easy idk what that guy is on about
golden tulip
rover copypasta ot something
small timber
and the altar actually give so tiny amount that I dont know why it is necessary, demon altar is just so pwnhammer does something after the hardmode ore change
small timber
no I mean the "altar" mentioned in suggestion, demon altar is ok because you have large number of it
inner mist
just make an afk soul farm
cobalt heath
i just do ks method twice on both biomes and i have enough souls for a life time
small timber
because how many said collection object need to be generated for it to matter
cobalt heath
taven will you kill me iff my sugg is an essay
ruby plover
If it’s an essay you should prolly put a TL;DR at the bottom so people know what it is at a glance
small timber
(I think the suggestion straight up will not get voted (nerf suggestion), + it will basically be "yo mega nerf rogue" suggestion)
ruby plover
And have a title that encompasses your entire idea
cobalt heath
though i should prolly make accessory specific nerfs
small timber
ya, I think out of them dark gods sheath and abyssal mirror is definitely way too strong, electrician glove I am not sure how many people actually know it is overpowered,
cobalt heath
cause atm my essay is basicly saying we need to take away properties cause rogue is too overloaded
but the accessory nerfs could be more clear
small timber
it is generally hard for it to go through, because rogue identity is not clear (hence it has so many effect accessory in the first place)
frozen hornet
ya, I think out of them dark gods sheath and abyssal mirror is definitely way to...
it has like 10 AP or smth right
Armor pen that is
cobalt heath
first on the chopping block should be the abyssal mirror line
small timber
where: melee is tanky as fuck, ranger has probably (the best) single target dama...
this is based on vanilla armor but rogue have nothing to based on, other than stealth strike, which can be argued is just a rogue specific damage mechanic (just like how ranger benefit from arrow and bullet)
cobalt heath
cause getting i-frames every 15 seconds is not balaced what so ever
wiki! abyssal mirror
red stormBOT
small timber
trust me I tried, but nerf suggestion is just not going through
frozen hornet
so i remember
It's 90 seconds on Emirror
cobalt heath
its every 90s
small timber
(wait I didnt know it lineup like that)
small timber
#suggestions-voting message, #suggestions-voting message, and #suggestions-voting message (I just post link since it is out of the batch anyway so it will never get into dev server ever)
cobalt heath
i think the i-frames should still be taken away
and make the accessory function some other way
small timber
ya, I think out of them dark gods sheath and abyssal mirror is definitely way to...
ya it is mostly these two accessory that is the problem, abyssal mirror just give dodge (which is a core defense mechanic that other class just can't get unless ninja belt/heavy accessory investment) and dark god sheath invalidate crit (stealth strike is best damage, now it also guarantee crit)
and things like tarragon rogue armor that for some reason is just a titanium armor set
cobalt heath
imo what makes abyssal mirror dodge so broken is that it just happens
there is no downsides
cobalt pewter
?
cobalt heath
it just happens every 90s
cobalt pewter
hmm
fossil finch
Me after the dodge wastes itself on a slight touch of the bosses hitbox and i go without it another 90 secs (op
fossil finch
the "base idea" doesn't really say anything, it's about on practice
small timber
it also does not change the fact that you get it for almost free
on practice that dodge can also prevent a 500 damage DoG head hit
cobalt heath
and you get it pre golem
fossil finch
you don't get it for almost free
Abyssal Mirror itself sucks fucking ass in everything else it does, you're losing the bonus of literally every other rogue acc
Only eclipse mirror is free
frozen hornet
And has like 4 times faster cooldown
cobalt heath
yeah but my point was that you get it for free the dodge
small timber
we are not talking about "nerf these accessory to oblivion", it was about changing rogue accessory to not have these obscure mechanic that they just seemingly get
cobalt heath
and a broken accessory doesnt mean the other isnt broken 
i frame dodges in general are broken
fossil finch
it's not an obscure mechanic but whatever
You're just creating an issue where there isn't any
On practice abyssal mirror is not broken at all
cobalt heath
it is do
small timber
why does abyssal mirror need dodge? instead of like any other effect possible
cobalt heath
but i respect your opinnion
fossil finch
why does any acc need x instead of literally every other effect possible
frozen hornet
it inherits it from ink bomb
fossil finch
Thats not an argument
small timber
the difference is dodge mechanic is literally a shared all class mechanic that require heavy investment (evolution, ninja belt line where half of the accessory is literally dodge), and rogue just get it in their class accessory
instead of being a more class centric mechanic
fossil finch
and?
Rogue's literally about being a ninja
It fits thematically
This is not an issue at all
it is an armor, but solar's dash exists
Is that also bad now?
cobalt heath
whenever i have tried to bring this subject up w rogue simps the counter argumen...
xp this is what i meant by this
fossil finch
except I'm literally not saying that?
small timber
(solar dash is in fact very shit), again, why does rogue need dodge being a property they have?
small timber
when other dodge accessory is balanced explicitly around making them hard to get
fossil finch
you're literally just saying "this op" without any practical evidence
fossil finch
when other dodge accessory is balanced explicitly around making them hard to get
This is not true
scarfs aren't hard to get
Ninja belt line isn't either
small timber
scarfs is inherently broken, ninja belt line means lossing valor option which are debuff immune + knockback immune, any other dodge accessory have even higher cost
meanwhile rogue gets an effect that they always want (ie stealth gen), that later get combined into an accessory with all desired effect (eclipse mirror) because it need to inherit the effect
I am not saying "remove dodge from abyssal mirror" and thats it, I am saying replace the dodge with a different effect, that is not universally used across accessory and what is usually a major investment
fossil finch
why is your argument that scarfs are suddenly also op?
You make no sense at all
In practice this is really only "technically" an issue with eclipse mirror, because abyss isn't good enough to always have on
Even then, this still fails to prove how is it an issue for the actual game experience
You can throw out that other classes don't get it but that doesn't mean it's op
You also say dodge accs are a major investment when they really, really aren't
small timber
because scarf is literally different from dodge, in that it don't function the same, "dodge" is referring to the 90sec auto dodge while scarf is completely different effect
again, the argument is not about how OP abyssal mirror is for having dodge, it is about why does abyssal mirror just get an effect that in all other case, require heavy investment
small timber
and scarf is not "90 sec CD auto dodge", it is a completely different effect
fossil finch
because scarf is literally different from dodge, in that it don't function the s...
because it does?
This still fails to say why is it an issue
accs, even if class oriented are allowed to do that type of stuff
cobalt heath
90s auto dodge has no player based function to do. All you need is the accessory. Even if it fit themactily it way too good.
frozen hornet
90s auto dodge has no player based function to do. All you need is the accessory...
just like every other dodge accessory 
cobalt heath
We need either a player comitted action to activate it or even longer cd to have it
istead of nuking it
imma just make my sugg about removing i-frame dodges from accessories
small timber
then I will stat again, why is abyssal mirror not allowed to have ANY OTHER effect, that is not shared with some all class accessory
fossil finch
why can't abyssal mirror have DASH
frozen hornet
It inherits it from ink bomb
fossil finch
Like at least use an argument that doesn't fucking apply both ways
frozen hornet
can't remove the dodge from the ink bomb when that's all it has (afaik never actually used it)
fossil finch
ink bomb also has the ink bomb stealth replenish thing
it's not something you see happen a lot though
cobalt heath
i say that instead off a stupid ass i-frame dodge it could fill your stealth bar upon activation
fossil finch
mf really just malding against something that is literally never an issue
cobalt heath
90s cooldown stealth fill would be usefull, but not broken
fossil finch
90s cooldown dodge isn't broken either
cobalt heath
it is cause i-frame dodges are no skill and having no requirements for a i-frame dodge is broken even at 90s cooldown
and you can dodge a literal dog head w that
fossil finch
Mf "no skill" argument 
Clicking on the boss to attack it has no skill let's remove simple weapons
also yes you can dodge a dog head that's the point
Why do you have a vendetta against people being able to survive hard attacks through defensive means
cobalt heath
(dog head should pass i-frames do)
fossil finch
It shouldn't
cobalt heath
wdym it shouldnt
small timber
then if you don't want an argument that apply both way I will just use a more opinioned based argument: autododge is inherently unhealthy for the game in that it promotes passive playstyle (or "rewarded for not doing anything" playstyle), hence it was given a cooldown to begin with
if it is up to me the dodge effect should always be associated with a high cost (such as an entire accessory slot) to essentially punish the player for specing for a more passive build that do not rely on player's own skill to do better at the fight
in this sense, abyssal mirror just break the above rule as it basically has an effect that usually require significant investment, just seemingly given and inherited (and worse case later into eclipse mirror), which is why they should be given a different effect instead
fossil finch
It shouldn't
small timber
therefore it is not about how "broken" or "OP" abyssal mirror actually is, it is about it having an effect that it shouldn't have and should be replace with something else
fossil finch
Attacks that, against logical sense and artificially bypass the game's defense systems for the sake of making them harder suck, are unnintuitive and easily perceived as unfair
Why shouldn't it have said effect???
small timber
then if you don't want an argument that apply both way I will just use a more op...
^, since you want a more opinionized argument
cobalt heath
lets just stop this cause the both sides see eachother like a brick wall
small timber
it is in the fact that dodge accessory almost never do anything else, with the exception of ninja belt line (that has dash), but in calamity with the cost of not being able to get valor/aegis
cobalt heath
this is not going anywere
tardy smelt
what even is the argument here
fossil finch
Mirror dodge bad because yes
cobalt heath
what even is the argument here
abyssal mirror shouldnt have i-frame dodge
lucid flare
rogue accessories too wacky i presume
tardy smelt
abyssal mirror shouldnt have i-frame dodge
ah
well, if it was broken-levels of op everyone would likely know about it
small timber
it is about changing abyssal mirror to not have an effect that is dodge (to a different effect) basically, Ender is arguing that it should be kept while I was arguing that dodge should not be on the accessory, basically
fossil finch
(Its not broken because abyssal mirror sucks fucking ass
cobalt heath
then if you don't want an argument that apply both way I will just use a more op...
^^
tardy smelt
and afaik i have abyssal mirror as a "decent" accessory and not a "broken" one
nice slot filler for a stealth rogue build
and the dodge is neither really big nor insignificant
fossil finch
not even because faster stealth gen is less stealth damage now with 1.5 formula
Which would make a glove better than it
fossil finch
Depends on weapon ss i guess
fossil finch
Some don't need the extra damage and some don't need being any faster
tardy smelt
its better against misc enemies in general, too
small timber
all in all, just to stop the argument and get a more general opinion, is it agreeable that dodge on Eclipse Mirror (not abyssal mirror), is too much? considering the other effect of the accessory
fossil finch
that's if you're going stealth only tbf
tardy smelt
and the dodge is neither really big nor insignificant
its not why i'd get the accessory, but its a nice bonus
tardy smelt
all in all, just to stop the argument and get a more general opinion, is it agre...
which is?
fossil finch
people get abyssal mirror for eclipse later
lucid flare
all in all, just to stop the argument and get a more general opinion, is it agre...
i don't think its too much if the dodge only shows up every 2 minutes anyway
fossil finch
I got it on tier too i just didn't use it much
cobalt heath
the dodge in general in my eyes should be reworked
for example to the full stealth fill on a lower cd
tardy smelt
it also has dark god sheath, which is an already stupidly strong effect
well that's the thing
Eclipse Mirror and Dark God's Sheath are basically the basis of every post-Cultist to endgame stealth rogue setup
and i believe that every single stealth rogue weapon after that point wind up getting balanced around it
tardy smelt
so by changing this fundamental accessory of almost every build in the game
you're risking to upset a large part of the game's balancing
lucid flare
Eclipse Mirror and Dark God's Sheath are basically the basis of every post-Culti...
you could say the same thing about summonee to an extent with the starbuster core & the spirit glyph i think
fossil finch
Same with every post dog acc really
That's the reason they weren't removed or nerfed much even though sponge's, cotbg and friends changes would suggest they would be
tardy smelt
is it healthy?
.....maybe it isn't
small timber
then I guess (to avoid argument), here is what (was to be suggested):
- either keep it as it for now;
- or change DGS (therefore Eclipse Mirror to some point) and rebalance rogue weapon around the changes
I just don't think the part where crit get invalidated is really a good thing for balancing
fossil finch
I'd rather not have testers do everything again
tardy smelt
but these accessories are just too deeply ingrained in the game's design to be changed on a while
tardy smelt
I'd rather not have testers do everything again
^
grim tusk
Eclipse Mirror and Dark God's Sheath are basically the basis of every post-Culti...
Ruin medallion+
lucid flare
maybe the 100% crit chance part could be removed??? idk
tardy smelt
Ruin medallion+
*coin of deceit+
grim tusk
Coin aint that strong
tardy smelt
maybe the 100% crit chance part could be removed??? idk
that is defo's gonna require quite a bit of rebalancing
fossil finch
Remove the 100% crit chance and every stealth weapon does twice as less damage
tardy smelt
Coin aint that strong
fair but its still nice to have
lucid flare
maybe just nerf it then to make it not 100%
tardy smelt
Remove the 100% crit chance and every stealth weapon does twice as less damage
not exactly but it might wreak havoc to stealth rogue post-ML if you don't rebalance everything along with it
grim tusk
I'd rather not have testers do everything again
As if dev plans did not exist. Rogue will have to get balanced anyways
fossil finch
Yes but not over purposely done needless changes
unique vector
tester hell hey
tardy smelt
As if dev plans did not exist. Rogue will have to get balanced anyways
i'll assume you guys know how to approach that better than most of this channel's regs do :p
unique vector
tester hell
grim tusk
tester hell hey
Indeed
fossil finch
Pixl!!!
grim tusk
After we release the bug fix patch its tester hell time
fossil finch
Time to mention a random mage wepaon so pixl adds to the list of rework in 30 years
(Rav's magic drop
lucid flare
tester hell...! 
fossil finch
then again dude's getting redone for post provi so like lol!
grim tusk
(Rav's magic drop
HEMATEMESIS
golden tulip
isaac reference
fossil finch
make hematemesis work likee the isaac pill
golden tulip
fart
fleet igloo
What happens to the other two bloodstone bosses after Ravager retier
fossil finch
They die
golden tulip
spontaneous combustion
fossil finch
No more random buffs
fleet igloo
What about Brimrose
fossil finch
Idk
tardy smelt
crafted maybe
fossil finch
They can just make brimrose mount a post provi craft or reworked crags loot
lucid flare
or maybe it just drops from normal brimstone elemental L
unique vector
spontaneous combustion
fossil finch
Who cares anyway there's an objectively better brimrose alt now
cobalt heath
any ideas on how to rework abyssal mirror (i am making a sugg to make everyone happy, and neko i did include that alone the dodge isnt broken)
fossil finch
It's called using your wings
small timber
(brimrose too early is probably a bit too op, considering it is competing ufo mount), but bloodstone craft is probably the least change required
small timber
wait it is dev
unique vector
yes
cobalt pewter
tester hell
shruh
unique vector
no
lucid flare
(brimrose too early is probably a bit too op, considering it is competing ufo mo...
good make the martian invasion more useless than it already is 
fossil finch
Feed become a tester so you can test stealth iirc (do not ask me how to get motivation i don't know either
fossil finch
Gelatinous Pilon mfs
cobalt pewter
Feed become a tester so you can test stealth iirc (do not ask me how to get moti...
get motivation
(i am waiting for pc time then I'll do independent testing stuff
lucid flare
JELLYBEA!?
fossil finch
I have the feeling feed will find a new comically broken combo that has ultra fast double stealth 10k damage crits with utensil pocket
Why does its ss crit for 10k damage to begin with
cobalt pewter
then proceed to not tell anyone but devs because I am not dum
byeah it's
funny
cobalt heath
done, if any good ideas come along i will add to the sugg
fossil finch
ss damage is listed as 2200 or smt fully charged so it's even funnier
golden tulip
silksong damage :(
lucid flare
shattered sUn?
golden tulip
(stealth strike
lucid flare
no way bard calamity (song damage)
fleet igloo
I will watch the "trophies always drop on first kill" suggestion with great interest
If it gets accepted it means I get free rein to continue harrassing this channel about you-know-what
lucid flare
i mean the sexo mechs already do that
except its only for... One of them (or two if you kill the twins last)
fleet igloo
How though
golden tulip
then its just another drop
calamity players on their way to make every single rare drop be crafted or nerfed into a normal drop somehow
robust lava
And so it loops back to “Terraria players will do anything it takes to not play the game”
golden tulip
rover copypasta
robust lava
That should be pinned tbh
small timber
ya referring to this I guess the suggestion just didnt get change
lucid flare
relogic adding golf to the game was actually a subtle hint to the community
that it feels like they want to play the game for the least time possible
cobalt pewter
That should be pinned tbh
(rover said it's too cynical to be pinned here)
swift sinew
Any armour below taragon does not include the set bonus of the offensive profaned guardian from the profaned artifact
So because you can’t deal damage as the offensive guardian doesn’t spawn, the challenge to deal only that damage with the artifact to get the profaned crystal.
However the amour like taragon and bloodfare all have a passive -AOE, so it prevents you from doing the challenge
fossil bronze
fearmonger summons the offensive guardian and has no passive damage iirc
small timber
fearmonger is a tier below (if you are attempting it immediately)
does stardust work? since stardust actually have decent minion bonus
tepid mantle
that it feels like they want to play the game for the least time possible <:HDfa...
Or just that you want to complete the game
cobalt heath
Im totally up for the trophy change
tepid mantle
I am against trophy change, i like it as rare reward
swift sinew
does stardust work? since stardust actually have decent minion bonus
No, stardust doesn’t activate the offensive guardian
cobalt heath
But neko do you think My sugg is fine now?
small timber
oh wait I confused it with the defensive guardian that require 10 slot (instead of armor requirement), weird that it specify armor though, considering it is already crafting locked behind providence
lucid flare
maybe you could just use the lore item with victory shard and an item frame(?) to make a trophy
tepid mantle
maybe you could just use the lore item with victory shard and an item frame(?) ...
Isn't you can do it already
tepid mantle
Oh, good suggestion
digital saddle
small timber
(it is actually just titanium armor set scaled to post-providence, except in seconds instead of just 1 hit)
swift sinew
fearmonger summons the offensive guardian and has no passive damage iirc
Correct
fossil finch
Remove the psc challenge and make it drop from nohit night provi or smt
small timber
is psc even useful on tier?
fossil bronze
it's completely vanity until scal+exo mechs are dead
small timber
then I guess it is fine, since it is pure vanity
it will be worse if it is actually powerful
cobalt pewter
@hardy dock wasn't the reason Old Power Cells existing in the first place is the fact that Lihzahrd Altars are hardcoded to not work until Plantera is defeated?
granted you can probably IL edit it, but look what happens when you IL edit a Lava Slime
@distant gyro help me out here I don't know the capabilities of Cal's IL editing
:clueless
distant gyro
i do not know either
cobalt pewter
man
distant gyro
you would have to ask someone who can actually IL edit for that
(IL editing is outside of my field)
small timber
what actually happened with the IL edit lava slime? since it was never specified
distant gyro
gone
small timber
(although you usually can only get into temple post-Plantera anyway)
sry I mean what problem did it actually cause
since not familiar with coding
small timber
wow 1 edit affects everything huh
cobalt pewter
I think the old power cells as an item could get a makeover, but until we know whether you can IL edit the plant requirements on altar, that's probably the extent of the solution
distant gyro
crashes were also occasional
sometimes the world would not load and appear as "backup failed" and the player has to either reload the mod or verify integrity/reinstall
small timber
petition to make wooden platform immune to lava so laval slime edit is not necessary
distant gyro
that's all the issues JUST from IL editing lava slime alone
small timber
inb4 it is another IL edit
ya, it is hard to imagine one seemingly small thing affect everything
fossil bronze
would it be possible to replace the altar with a completely new tile that has the changed functionality?
fleet igloo
sometimes the world would not load and appear as "backup failed" and the player ...
Wait that was lava slimes as well?
small timber
or just make old power cell actually not look like a downgrade version of the power cell maybe?
cobalt pewter
lava slime is an SCP
small timber
since currently it is odd in that a "worse" version of power cell is non-consumable while the "better" version of power cell is consumable
cobalt pewter
or just make old power cell actually not look like a downgrade version of the po...
yeah, hence the makeover I said earlier
swift sinew
it will be worse if it is actually powerful
Yes, I actually discussed this with the dev the item was based on; they told me that making changes like I wanted to give it some use, would be completely unbalanced or hard to balance it.
However, they have allowed me to suggest some vanity changes to the profaned soul crystal.
I have done the challenge, and completed it, after doing so I achieved the item, however I noticed pretty quickly that there was no indication that you got it from the challenge or created it.
So I talked with them, and they said suggesting a indication and maybe alterations to the vanity of the item would be allowed, so I will be doing that once a think about it clearly.
I don’t think the challenge should be changed, anyone who says it is too specific aren’t willing to put the work into it, challenges are meant to be a challenge, but not impossible.
It takes about 2 hours, going back and fourth, the issue is the fact that providence at night is so much different from day, so maybe preventing providence from changing due to the time, so if you spawn providence in day, you fight her then, or if you want night spawn her night, or shouldn’t really change depending on time as it makes this challenge so much harder than it actually is, so I will agree alterations should be made, but the core challenge shouldn’t
cobalt pewter
I think making "Old Power Cells" an engine that replicates how the altar works would be better rather than
smaller cell
swift sinew
Remove the psc challenge and make it drop from nohit night provi or smt<:taxevas...
No, it’s a fair challenge; maybe alter it, but don’t completely change the idea of it.
fossil finch
would it be possible to replace the altar with a completely new tile that has th...
Possible, yes, but don't do this
Other mods may make changes to altar that may be important and calamity's replacement won't have them
small timber
Yes, I actually discussed this with the dev the item was based on; they told me ...
ya they definitely should do something about tarragon/bloodflare set bonus, or alternatively make PSA the offensive guardian itself not require post-Tarragon armor
fossil finch
old cell being bootleg portable altar mechanism is better
small timber
the requirement is weird anyway since the PSA itself is already locked behind providence (and you are not playing summoner without any armor, for no reason)
cobalt pewter
old cell being bootleg portable altar mechanism is better
was about to type that
yes
having Old Power Cells rehashed that way would be a slightly more elegant solution
IL edit is probably ideal, but probably not, due to its instability
fossil finch
No, it’s a fair challenge; maybe alter it, but don’t completely change the idea ...
How is stalling provi for like 10 minutes with only fucking profaned core any fair
can it even properly deal with healer guardian before provi heals to like more than 50% health again
swift sinew
ya they definitely should do something about tarragon/bloodflare set bonus, or a...
Yes I agree, but I think the armours passive isn’t really useful, AoE on both of those are finicky, and instead to be something else; which would mean the challenge can we done with those and no need to change item
small timber
I think the problem lies with summoner armor, in that their set bonus is almost always a summon
so no matter what they change there will always be a summon, and affecting the challenge, especially that with moving max minion onto set bonus mismatching armor is not even possible
fossil finch
Just make the challenge not stupid
swift sinew
ya they definitely should do something about tarragon/bloodflare set bonus, or a...
Yeah, taragon would be able to be used of it wasn’t for the AOE
small timber
I think the closest one (offensively), is unironically use tiki armor for this challenge
since it has decent minion stat even compare with tarragon, just poor defense
swift sinew
Just make the challenge not stupid
It’s not stupid, it’s a challenge, if you don’t what to put in the hours and the work don’t do challenges, they are there to test your skills, not to be a thing that can be attempted after like 4 tries
unique vector
mungus
swift sinew
Just make the challenge not stupid
If you don’t put in the work you don’t get the reward, as all things are like in life; you don’t have to get the item, it’s completely vanity and at the moment no different from the crystal
swift sinew
I think the closest one (offensively), is unironically use tiki armor for this c...
Can’t, no armour bellow taragon can activate the offensive guardian
small timber
oh right, keep forgetting about it
fossil finch
Stalling provi for 10 minutes isn't "work for a reward"
It's just an stupid challenge with a requisite extremely easy to miss without noticing
cobalt pewter
I think PSC challenge should just be
idk, the lowest effort I can think of without making it cringe is night provi
fossil finch
It's just an stupid challenge with a requisite extremely easy to miss without no...
It's just tedium and in no way skill based
It's not any fun either because you have to consistently just do nothing but dodge a boss for extremely longer than you should
small timber
I will be honest it doesn't look like there is a definitive good solution to this, other than changing the offensive guardian summon requirement to always summon the guardian
swift sinew
It's just tedium and in no way skill based
Sure, like it’s not skilled, you have to keep avoiding providence, and you do little damage, you have to survive for the whole time.
cobalt pewter
psc challenge exclude stray projectiles already
I think they were talking about the tarragon aura?
idk
fossil finch
The definitive good solution to this is just making the challenge's requisites not extremely dumb
cobalt pewter
(summoner)
small timber
I remember someone mentioning 1% HP leeway only, or something like that
swift sinew
The definitive good solution to this is just making the challenge's requisites n...
Have you done the challenge ever?
cobalt pewter
I remember someone mentioning 1% HP leeway only, or something like that
yes, you need to do 99% of her HP as damage only with the donuts, 1% is free
distant gyro
GoldenGunProj, MiniGuardianDefense, MiniGuardianAttack, SilvaCrystalExplosion, GhostlyMine, EnergyOrb, IrradiatedAura, SummonAstralExplosion, ApparatusExplosion
yeah that's a couple
cobalt pewter
golden gun excluded
real
fossil finch
Golden gun exclusion is noted in the wiki
distant gyro
golden gun has always been excluded as a part of the original challenge
small timber
ghostlymine is bloodflare set right? is irradiated aura tarragon set?
distant gyro
the extra ones were added later
in order
silva armor
bloodflare armor
jelly-charged battery
nuclear rod
starbuster core
nucleogenesis
tarragon aura can't deal damage to prov she has 0 contact damage
afaik
fossil finch
Tarragon aura does indeed not work on enemies that lack contact damage
fossil finch
Does anything in this game with contact damage has less than 5
distant gyro
no but also
small timber
I think the check is just purely for dummy or no contact damage enemy
distant gyro
why isn't it just contact damage more than 0
fossil finch
Yes
small timber
does the weird +- 5% damage variance matter in a weird way? or it is a leeway "just in case"
fossil finch
damage variance doesn't affect this, no
The check just checks the enemy's stats
Variance comes after that
swift sinew
It's not hard, it's tedious
Maybe for some, but for others it isn’t, you have to make sure you do enough damage, although I will agree the whole getting providence to half then guardians bringing her back to fill hp is kind of annoying.
Well, I think moving it over to the night version of providence isn’t a solution, however now I see maybe it is tedious but like all challenges it takes time to accomplish; not challenges have some sort of tedium to them.
You could say that for night time providence, she is fast your can die quickly, but at the end of the day you just have to kill providence, in that time if you haven’t got the skills you may have died millions of times, if that isn’t tedious then I don’t know what is; that’s a core of a challenge it has an element of tedium which gives credit to those who do it.
Although at the end of the day others will see it as wasting your time
cobalt pewter
why isn't it just contact damage more than 0
it should just like
die, I guess
(or making it actually be a bit more dynamic based on enemy contact damage would be neat)
small timber
I think if that is the case tarragon set should be completely viable for the challenge?
looking at it seem like bloodflare and silva is also viable
cobalt pewter
(right now the aura is plain ass
barely visible, doesn't even do anything significant aside from stopping signut's lamps ig?
distant gyro
i mean
swift sinew
tarragon aura can't deal damage to prov she has 0 contact damage
No, it does; if you show me a run with taragon or blood flare I will believe you, otherwise I will say I have done both at it does affect
distant gyro
the aura would not be relevant enough anyway even if it were to damage prov
cobalt pewter
yeah
fossil finch
Maybe for some, but for others it isn’t, you have to make sure you do enough dam...
you're missing the point: a boss killing you so you have to retry it is one thing, a boss intentionally taking 10+ minutes of consistently dodging the same patterns is just a completely needless slog and pure tedium
I don't get why are you so against improving a stupid challenge
distant gyro
apparently it does
swift sinew
the aura DEFINITELY affect providence
Yeah
distant gyro
that is probably an oversight
swift sinew
I don't get why are you so against improving a stupid challenge
Well, for those who have done it, what was the point if you make it easier.
fossil finch
That's not really an argument
What about the people who fought scal back when she had the hit cap, she's easier now, what's the point?
safe oasis
Maybe for some, but for others it isn’t, you have to make sure you do enough dam...
you have to make sure you do enough damage
in a challenge where the main point is that you do jack shit damage?
fossil finch
or just the same about any nohitter when they nerf a boss in a future update
small timber
I think if that is the case probably not to make a suggestion about but just to inform a dev (to change it)? since it seems 100% unintentional
especially considering the requirement of the challenge
fossil finch
the issue is that psc challenge sucks and should be reworked
distant gyro
or is it JUST the fact that tarragon aura nulls it in 2 seconds
fossil finch
Aside the fact it's missed easily because of the stray damage shit
safe oasis
or is it JUST the fact that tarragon aura nulls it in 2 seconds
this is the issue that the original sugg addresses, third party members have broadened the issue into reworking the whole thing
distant gyro
psc challenge will most likely not be changed because it is a reference to something of the community past
same for the reason drat will never not use a blossom flux
fossil finch
in any case we'd have to ask amber
distant gyro
the original challenge is like super purist anyway iirc
distant gyro
it didn't even exclude the stray projectiles
you just only use golden gun and babs
nothing else
fossil finch
That'd be funny as fuck because it'd be like literally impossible to win without fearmonger and vanilla post plant summon accs
swift sinew
you just only use golden gun and babs
Ah that’s the one I did as I was scared to deal damage with others, I used wings though
fossil finch
also bashing
cobalt pewter
drat using b-flux is kinda obvious, but what's with psc challenge
small timber
drat using b-flux is kinda obvious, but what's with psc challenge
tarragon set bonus (an unintentional interaction) is basically ruining the challenge as it is damaging providence, when it shouldnt have
fossil finch
That's not what they're asking for
fossil finch
drat using b-flux is kinda obvious, but what's with psc challenge
Someone did psc challenge back when psa was added i guess
cobalt heath
isnt the mech treasure
swift sinew
tarragon set bonus (an unintentional interaction) is basically ruining the chall...
There is a lot of things will the challenge, but I don’t personally want to change it.
Just yes these things need to be changed
cobalt heath
kinda not getting trough dev voting
small timber
nah a challenge like that is fine, as long as the intended things working as intended
small timber
eg they just have to exclude tarragon set bonus from the challenge (so that it dont ruin the challenge)
fossil finch
Suggs are filtered thrice
No, actually four times
Here, voting, approval and implementation
distant gyro
the psc challenge is the psc challenge
except nohit death defiled
(iirc)
the description is very misleading for resilient candle
if it actually does that you would be able to see it
small timber
I tested it and I think the description if correct
small timber
basically I summon a uelibloom slime that deal 160 contact, have 213 defense and in theory I am taking 1 (or 1-8 damage with 5% damage variant), and put down resilient candle I always take 1
distant gyro
it decreases all damage taken by 5% of defense
small timber
hmm then I guess since it is functionally the same so I was confused
distant gyro
the big difference is that DR diminishingly returns
small timber
that makes it slightly better I guess?
distant gyro
this one happens after all processes
small timber
although 300 defense still only decrease damage by 15 (which is slightly better than 15 defense which only actually defense 15x0.75)
ya I guess it is better with DR, not sure which is prioritized first
distant gyro
defense is complicated and the best way is usually to mix everything together
the purple candle kinda helps with that
DR, ADR, defense, life regen
the 4 stats of the apocalypse
small timber
hmm lets say 500 damage hit, you have 200 defense 20% DR how much does resilient candle do? (500-(200x0.75))x0.8 - (200x0.05) = 270?
instead of what I assumed 274? if it increase defense by 200+10
grim tusk
Facetank lava
small timber
ya it is weird that it is a defensive buff that basically only scale highly invested defensive build
I guess I will mention it, but I do think resilient still need a slight buff anyway, considering for most of the early game you cant really bump up defense too much (unless melee full warding submergerd in liquid)
grim tusk
Then lategame you can just Nanomachines, son.
Even more underwater
Levi ambergis makes you dummy thicc
distant gyro
resilient candle is probably the weakest candle still
but also spiteful candle is just broken
distant gyro
station buff casually gives a 1.05x multiplier
small timber
tbh I think the most broken one is actually weighless
distant gyro
most influential dinkey candle ever
small timber
since Timed DR is removed now the spiteful buff do not have as much impact
small timber
out of curiosity does spiteful affect the player or the boss? as in I mean do the player have to be in the range of the boss? since the buff say it affect enemy rather than the player
(though this is not poe so the wording probably dont matter as much)
distant gyro
player
calm elm
weightless is also insane
Weightless and spiteful are amazing
cobalt heath
that atleast isnt going trough devs
unique vector
mungmus
unique vector
what sugg
cobalt heath
amomgus?
unique vector
kinda doesnt follow our rules and id rather not start abusive leniency
dusty path
crude geode
@neat linden Aether’s whisper is both mage and ranged
neat linden
i didn't say it's not mage though
crude geode
You kinda do tho
crude geode
That’s pretty confusing wording
maiden tartan
it makes complete sense tbh
neat linden
it sounded fine to me but i can edit it
maiden tartan
it starts out as mainly magic weapons in its crafting tree and ends up as a pure ranger weapon
crude geode
Considering you never mention magnomaly in your suggestion, so people are left to assume the upgrade means aether’s whisper itself
neat linden
aight i'll edit it
maiden tartan
"following upgrade line" but yeah maybe add magnomaly specifically
neat linden
does it sound better now?
fossil finch
just have lahzahr not upgrade into anything
you can't be disappointed if there's no upgrade at all :5head:
neat linden
crude geode
Just delete aether’s whisper tbfh
fossil finch
unironically though
crude geode
Boring ass weapon
neat linden
aetherflux does make some sense to me though
neat linden
Boring ass weapon
New sugg time!
maiden tartan
I love Aether's Whisper ngl
fossil finch
normally i'd be fine with upgrade lines but space gun's doesn't really follow anything
it just shoves it into another weapon that fires a laser while not keeping a mechanic or an identity at all
neat linden
fast laser goes faster
then slower
then it turns into a fucking rocket launcher
because reasons
maiden tartan
I think it's a really cool and potentially very powerful weapon in an odd crafting recipe
I like it more as a ranged weapon than a magic one though
maiden tartan
Well Spectre Rifle but no homing kinda odd too tbh
crude geode
Ranger stealing from mage 24/7 to make it’s weapons not bland smh my head
maiden tartan
Not at all
neat linden
like what does it do other than home in
maiden tartan
It's just homing rocket that explodes into the circle of lasers
neat linden
...is that it? sheesh
maiden tartan
So much less interesting than Whisper
fossil finch
cope i thinkj
maiden tartan
Whisper has the more distance more damage mechanic too
fossil finch
exo weapons naturally follow main trees instead of side weapons
fossil bronze
magnomaly also has the invisible aoe aura thing
maiden tartan
I mean I suppose yeah
fossil bronze
not that interesting but it exists i guess
neat linden
imagine fun rocket launchers
maiden tartan
Hard to notice at all since homing
neat linden
i mean scorched earth is kinda fun when i tried it
fossil finch
in any case whisper's damage increase isn't really much interesting either
maiden tartan
Eh it actually does change how you use the weapon
Especially in combination with the splitting and the fact its range is still limited
maiden tartan
Where you shoot matters a ton with it
And what you shoot at so you have to think about what your arena is and etc
crude geode
The design of it is just really boring tbfh. Just. plasma Rod but bigger.
maiden tartan
You especially notice it if you use it against Polter
crude geode
I could care less about it’s dps/effects if it feels boring to use
maiden tartan
Well it doesn't feel boring to me because of how its effects change the way you use it for better dps
heady gale
can we have providene not be that cancerous?
grim tusk
can we have providene not be that cancerous?
There is a solution to that
unique vector
bung bung
lucid flare
and a good setup
grim tusk
#suggestions-voting message sugg is completely wrong lol
It very well inherits attunement’s properties
The spin attack is the one in the combo
crude geode
can we have providene not be that cancerous?
Can we not joke about cancer
grim tusk
The yeets and spawning projectiles are when having a charge and holding W
And the purity attunement is all of the shooting
lucid flare
the andromeda attunement is the homing projectile
keen zealot
Which is top 1 mistakes made by new players
a running joke in the top level vanilla communities is that braindead calamity players will just completely ignore defense every time and discount it as bad by default despite the degree to which it and DR can totally and completely destroy the game
grim tusk
Frigid bulwark + Asgard’s valor + Levi ambergis makes you dummy thicc
keen zealot
aye
grim tusk
And thats post-plant
fossil finch
a running joke in the top level vanilla communities is that braindead calamity p...
this message is asking so bad for a contrary version
keen zealot
well we all already know that a running joke in the calamity community is that defense bad
lucid flare
never understood that
neat linden
defense good because bloodflare core exists
keen zealot
(the whole circlejerk was originally started to gatekeep the new annoying children from the actual meta of the game back in 1.3)
dense ferry
The mod has revolved around nohitting for some time, but since that ended people can't let go of the old Glass Cannon Meta
keen zealot
(it got pretty out of hand though, considering you technically don't have to get hit to win)
crude geode
I feel like you can contribute it partially to no hitters being a fairly decent portion of the community
eternal escarp
the mod never revolved around nohitting
grim tusk
this message is asking so bad for a contrary version
Ok:
A crawling fact in the low level modded communities wont just disregard damage none of the time and accept it as good by choice, despite the degree which it and crit cannot totally build the game
dense ferry
Revovled
keen zealot
the mod never *revolved* around nohitting
it's just the only mod that enabled it
fossil finch
Ok:
A crawling fact in the low level modded communities wont just disregard dama...
not the type of contrary version i'd do but it works
unique vector
theres also the issue that terraria feels like it isnt meant to have defense bc its so difficult to balance it to a satisfying degree
mungus
eternal escarp
eh
adding Armageddon wasnt that much enabling it imo
grim tusk
I feel like you can contribute it partially to no hitters being a fairly decent ...
Fairly decent portion my balls
Like 5% of the players
eternal escarp
people nohit in most other mods anyways with nothing that enables it
fossil bronze
i don't like defense because
minion slot > defense
keen zealot
eh
adding Armageddon wasnt that much enabling it imo
they listened to the concerns of people who wanted to nohit, and balanced accordingly
eternal escarp
hell people nohit most other games
dense ferry
1%, I'd say
neat linden
no way it's 5%
eternal escarp
they listened to the concerns of people who wanted to nohit, and balanced accord...
what
when 
keen zealot
like, all the time?
dense ferry
Since many people that play this game aren't even here
eternal escarp
nohitting was and is actively not balanced around
dense ferry
Infact, I'd say that considering the fact that Calamity has around 2 million downloads on TMod iirc
dense ferry
And around 100 people actually nohitted every Boss
golden tulip
wasnt it like 10 million recently
dense ferry
Yeah, it's
gusty burrow
don’t it have around 10 million?
fossil finch
downloads count updates
dense ferry
A really tiny proportion regardless
fossil finch
so we can't really be sure how many individual people have downloaded the mod
golden tulip
i was like no way stars above only has halve as many downloads
eternal escarp
And around 100 people actually nohitted every Boss
well around 130~ did it by "official" rules byeah
golden tulip
stars above has 900k+
eternal escarp
obviously itd be higher then 130 logically
crude geode
Should have worded myself better Byeah no hitters are a pretty vocal minority
unique vector
a lot of it is also redundancy from updates
golden tulip
you know what else is a vocal minority
unique vector
like how a lot of mc mods have over 100 mil downloads
keen zealot
as always a majority of people simply don't or can't contact the powers that be
unique vector
i am the powers
golden tulip
minecraft mod players also just pump as many mods in a single modpack as they can
heady gale
Which is top 1 mistakes made by new players
i am not new player
unique vector
i am god.
heady gale
i beat the game 4-5 time
keen zealot
sounds like a pretty new player to me
heady gale
no
neat linden
i mean fun is subjective
heady gale
its cancer
dense ferry
Another thing that I guess somewhat reinforces the Glass Cannon Meta is that a lot of Calamity players are really fucking good at Terraria
eternal escarp
i dont feel like nohitters are "that" vocal since less then 2% of the mod was related to nohit and or fully glass cannon things
cant really say the mod was fully balanced around nohitting when clearly it was a really small afterthought
dense ferry
Provi is the best Calamity Boss hands down
golden tulip
OLD DUKENGSJGSOHGN
neat linden
Ceaseless void
crude geode
Can we seriously not joke about cancer
dense ferry
If you can't beat her you're actually bad
dense ferry
Because her fight is static
heady gale
its so annoying to dodge
golden tulip
but if we're talking about fun, prov is up there with exo mechs
lucid flare
its so annoying to dodge
no it isn't¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿
neat linden
imo one of the most fun bosses now is also CV
dense ferry
And even if the fight isn't anymore, the bullet hells are
golden tulip
cv got a massive glowup in 1.5
dense ferry
And they have been nerfed
maiden tartan
I still don't like CV but it's a lot better than the old fight
gusty burrow
worst post ml is storm weaver
dense ferry
So yeah, Provi is the only Boss that I say that, you finding her bad is straight up a skill issue
gusty burrow
new cv is so fun
keen zealot
i dont feel like nohitters are "that" vocal since less then 2% of the mod was re...
I never said calamity was balanced around nohitting entirely, but they do enable it
It's not like they listen to only the nohitters, but they do listen regardless
Most other mods I know would just be like "lmao tryhard"
dense ferry
worst post ml is storm weaver
TRUE
heady gale
yeah she randomly decides to stand still and have alot of armor while shooting an easy to dodge bullet hell
maiden tartan
Weaver orb telefrag moment
fossil bronze
So yeah, Provi is the only Boss that I say that, you finding her bad is straight...
skill issue (calamity moment!!!)
gusty burrow
yeah she randomly decides to stand still and have alot of armor while shooting a...
..and?
dense ferry
yeah she randomly decides to stand still and have alot of armor while shooting a...
First of all, it's not random
heady gale
the other attacks are cancerous
maiden tartan
I still always do it as my first post ml for ranger
golden tulip
yeah she randomly decides to stand still and have alot of armor while shooting a...
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neat linden
yeah she randomly decides to stand still and have alot of armor while shooting a...
randomly...?
gusty burrow
the other attacks are cancerous
guy if you don’t have any actual criticism then don’t say anything
keen zealot
it's on a timer
ruby plover
its so annoying to dodge
Like, you could choose to listen to people that can help you dodge the boss easier….. there is a channel for help and advice. Rather than just calling the boss “bad”
lucid flare
yeah she randomly decides to stand still and have alot of armor while shooting a...
me when i can't get free hits in a boss
dense ferry
And the other attacks are completely fine, you can dodge most of them by literally running on a straight line
keen zealot
it will always happen at the exact same time in the fight
gusty burrow
mf not all fights are gonna be run and gun
lucid flare
And the other attacks are completely fine, you can dodge most of them by literal...
or just jumping a little bit
maiden tartan
Prov really isn't cancer tbh it's just a hurdle if you're getting used to the fight. It's a sign of what's to come tbh
Night Prov on the other hand is designed to be a lot more stupid
heady gale
i dont like the mechanic of forcing me to be in a small area with invisable damage if i go too far away
lucid flare
no longer an issue
did i miss something
dense ferry
The only attack that is somewhat annoying is the laser, but it has a clear audible telegraph and since RoD is buyable it's easy
gusty burrow
yes
gusty burrow
i dont like the mechanic of forcing me to be in a small area with invisable dama...
dude if you go ages away then might as well not have the attack
ruby plover
i dont like the mechanic of forcing me to be in a small area with invisable dama...
Not all fights should be just “run away”
gusty burrow
it’s called balancing bro
heady gale
like which scal
dense ferry
i dont like the mechanic of forcing me to be in a small area with invisable dama...
It's so large that if you're not actively trying to run away it shouldn't bother you
dense ferry
And the bullet hells punish you for being too far by making the projectiles accelarate
frail mantle
pretty sure an indicator for her fire ring is planned
gusty burrow
i need the game to hold my hand all the time
lucid flare
maybe you should just keep that in mind then
that if you go too far away from providence you'll get hurt
maiden tartan
an indicator would def be nice
frail mantle
at least i believe i saw iban mention plans for an indicator
gusty burrow
cool
dense ferry
So yeah, if you're hitting Provi's actual barrier, it's a problem on your part, because that's incredibly hard
frail mantle
it's not gonna completely stop you from going too far away but it will show you when you're about to go too far away
heady gale
that if you go too far away from providence you'll get hurt
i mean, why is that i have to do that?
lucid flare
because good game design?
keen zealot
i mean, why is that i have to do that?
because running away too far is lame
gusty burrow
so that the phase isn’t just free
dense ferry
i mean, why is that i have to do that?
Because otherwise most of her attacks would be useless
heady gale
like if she kept moving in a certain motion insted of just stand still while bullet helling maybe?
dense ferry
Also to prevent despawning
fossil bronze
if she moved that would completely fuck the pattern
dense ferry
like if she kept moving in a certain motion insted of just stand still while bul...
That would be fucking catastrophic
maiden tartan
that would probably make her way worse
gusty burrow
like if she kept moving in a certain motion insted of just stand still while bul...
??
heady gale
no
maiden tartan
like actually ridiculous
gusty burrow
now you gotta focus on the bullet hell and her moving?
heady gale
i mean with certain movement
maiden tartan
imagine laser phase with movement
gusty burrow
so the source of the bullets is constantly changing?
dense ferry
That's just reworking the attack
maiden tartan
you either have a relocator charge or are dead
heady gale
That's just reworking the attack
yeah, i dont like the attack
dense ferry
To fit your own incapacity of standing still
keen zealot
Also to prevent despawning
this part doesn't matter, the fire area is much larger than the instadespawn box
neat linden
like if she kept moving in a certain motion insted of just stand still while bul...
wait, you want to make her worse or better?
eternal escarp
it feels like youre just complaining about the boss because you just
dont feel like it
which is not a reasn at all for anything
heady gale
well by that logic, why does everyone have to beat it the same way the devs made it?
dense ferry
?
eternal escarp
what
dense ferry
What?
gusty burrow
huuuh??9
neat linden
What
keen zealot
what?
gusty burrow
everyone must have their own personalised boss
neat linden
i really don't understand
gusty burrow
makes sense
keen zealot
every copy of calamity is tailor-made to fit the player
lucid flare
every copy of the calamity mod is personalized
eternal escarp
A) theres many ways to fight provi
B) yes some things need to be dodged a certain way because otherwise the boss wouldnt work
C) you are litterally playing a video game
dense ferry
Let's get my example here, comapring Weaver to my most disliked Boss, Duke
golden tulip
rebecca u suck
maiden tartan
D) Providence is actually well designed and challenges the player more fairly than the majority other bosses in the mod tbh
eternal escarp
so true
heady gale
also, i dont get how do you doge the part in yharon where he does a bullet hell then rams you in the middle of the bullet hell, and everything does aprox 400 damage
lucid flare
im getting my ass beat by yharon rn but i think the fight is fair & fun i just struggle with dodging sometimes
keen zealot
uhhh
eternal escarp
if you get some defensive accessories, it wont
keen zealot
also, i dont get how do you doge the part in yharon where he does a bullet hell ...
are you using plantera gear for the end of the game, perchance?
eternal escarp
besides it really just feels like youre, unironically, being skill issued
heady gale
its deathmode
lucid flare
core of the blood god reduces a contact damage hit by half for 20 seconds i believe
dense ferry
Weaver is bad. He has a single attack on each phase, the second phase is an endurance test with a single fucking simple attack, and the first actually used to telefrag you. It's gotten better but I still don't like it and it's a objectively bad Boss fight
eternal escarp
i do suggest you learn the fights and bosses you go agianst before coming to conclusions
keen zealot
deathmode isn't that much harder than rev which isn't that much harder than expert
conclusion: get good
lucid flare
malice mode on the other hand
dense ferry
Now, since I explained what is a BAD Boss
maiden tartan
Also shields let you parry but you do take some DoT
dense ferry
I will explain to you what is a Boss that I dislike
heady gale
i am saying like, how do you go from Dog dodging to yharon dodging?
dense ferry
Getting good
heady gale
i am struggling so much with him
eternal escarp
i still disagree with you reb but we had this convo a while ago so no bother
dense ferry
Unironically
frail mantle
oh god we're getting into opinions
eternal escarp
oh god we're getting into opinions
the horror
neat linden
mayyybe lower the fucking difficulty?
dense ferry
But anyways, Fishron
lucid flare
#suggestions-discussion more like #opinions-discussion
crude geode
oh god we're getting into opinions
So true
keen zealot
<#465195069406707722> more like #opinions-discussion
that is indeed what a suggestion is
heady gale
but that means i will lose to deathmode
eternal escarp
not always but okay
maiden tartan
Then you lose to deathmode
keen zealot
but that means i will lose to deathmode
well right now you're losing to society
eternal escarp
but that means i will lose to deathmode
you are not entitled to beat deathmode, so yes
keen zealot
pick your poison
neat linden
but that means i will lose to deathmode
deathmode is intended to be hard
you find it hard?
great
eternal escarp
if you are having a hard time, lower the difficulty
golden tulip
who cares if you "lost to deathmode"
neat linden
it's working as intended
eternal escarp
the boss is very clearly not at fault
golden tulip
youre clearly not having a good time
heady gale
if its hard, how did i beat Dog and providence ?
maiden tartan
By learning how to fight them
lucid flare
im playing on expert mode lol game's quite hard but its not infuriatingly hard
neat linden
don't understand your argument lol
golden tulip
would you rather please discord strangers by playing on deathmode or yourself by lowering the difficulty
keen zealot
if its hard, how did i beat Dog and providence ?
good question
neat linden
if its hard, how did i beat Dog and providence ?
wait so like
keen zealot
how did you beat dog and providence 🤔
neat linden
you think hard = unbeatable?
eternal escarp
likely because you brute forced yourself banging agiant the wall with your head
does it hurt? yes
is it stupid? yes
does the wall eventually break? yes
dense ferry
The reason I dislike Fishron is simply because I think the fight is way too repetitive. The loop is cool, but having to nohit that guy I lost my fucking mind because I had to redo it over and over. But it's not bad, the loop is amazing for a simple fight, and it's a completely fair experience since everything can be telegraphed
heady gale
you think hard = unbeatable?
cuz they were easier? duh
keen zealot
???
heady gale
wait i mean t other meassage