suggestions-discussion

[inland saddle]

well wtf

[fossil finch]

It's almost like I'm fucking poor

And: who cares

Those hours are also not only calamity

Now go away
👍

[gray nebula]

Doxxed you just got doxxed

Steam doxxed

[fossil finch]

truly

[gray nebula]

Tho u gotta play ror2 dont care about your economic status rn

[fossil finch]

gift me ror2

And i will

[worthy lintel]

did someone say

gift

[fossil finch]

i did

[unique vector]

doxxed

[fossil finch]

jokes and aggressive response aside why did they do that

[obsidian hill]

Because I have friends, I like to play with friends, when I am unable to play with friends, I am unhappy

[fossil finch]

ok

That's not an answer to my question but ok

Do you guys have plans for ueli i wanna make the funny tree sugg

[cobalt pewter]

p sure they have plans for the funny tree fossil ore

[swift sinew]

Question, how do you know if your suggestion has been accepted, or if it hasn’t how to make it so it might be

Like bring it to the voting section I mean

[fleet igloo]

The bot pings you when there's a change in status in your sugg

[swift sinew]

Thanks, one more question, how do you know if your suggestion is going to get deleted? Like does it happen after a while?

[fleet igloo]

Oh wait bringing it to the voting section is just a matter of checking

In general if there are no ❗ or 🗜️ reactions under your sugg it should be sent to voting

[swift sinew]

Oh really? So as long as it isn’t one of those it gets put on voting?

[fleet igloo]

I think so

[swift sinew]

Nice,

[fleet igloo]

Otherwise it gets deleted when it's supposed to get sent

[inland saddle]

Okay

Bot is back up

Implemented a workaround to an issue with timers being wacky

[unique vector]

pagman

[swift sinew]

Question, can you suggest changes to developer items like profaned crystal, or is it wrong too?

[half sage]

iirc as long as it's not shadowspec you can suggest a change if you get the dedicatee's permission

[swift sinew]

Why bot shadowspect? I mean it’s created with it, but can be gotten pre shadowspect

[gray nebula]

cuz the shadowspec dev is fucking dead or something if i had toguess

(not litterally) (but not easily contactable? unsure)

[half sage]

I thought there was a specific don't for not suggesting changes to shadowspec stuff, but that was for adding things that use shadowspec/adding dedicated content for someone that didn't ask for it

[swift sinew]

Right, how about, changing the core machines, like for example, making the profaned soul artifact actually useable if you do the challenge, but it’s weak then you upgrade it to a final version, much like with asgards - upgrade with a drop from providence

[inland saddle]

they're referring to shadowspec bars themselves

[half sage]

but iirc there has been a suggestion for PSC and crystl crusher that made it to voting cuz they got permission

[swift sinew]

Iirc? Sorry what does that mean, and where is this?

Do you know how I might find the suggestion or just have to look through voting until I stumble across it

[half sage]

iirc means if I recall correctly, and this is the PSC sugg that made it to voting, and there was one for making crystyl crusher auric tier that made it to voting

so you can suggest changes for them if you can get permission from the person they're dedicated to

[fleet igloo]

What happens to the suggs that stay as 👍 for a long time

Some of them seem that they may have been somewhat forgotten?

[inland saddle]

There is a channel in the dev server of just approved suggestions

[swift sinew]

This is purely for cosmetic I was thinking along the lines of giving it the ability you have when you defeat Sc, and instead allow it usable before that, however damage reduced.

Or even, make it needed for a new creating to make the final form or something.

I know I need permission, but who is the dev it was for?

[unique vector]

@ashen warren

[swift sinew]

Like, am I the only one who thinks, there is no point in having such a great weapon design and only being able to use it post Sc

[unique vector]

its how the dev intended for it to be designed

[fossil finch]

How would the game know you've done the challenge actually
Would it just apply to all psc's gotten after provi is killed with the requirements?
Seems like thre only logical way to do it

[unique vector]

not every item needs to be useable/accessible at every point in the game

[fossil finch]

yeah

Dev items are dev items

[unique vector]

theres a boolean check for when provi is killed afaik

[swift sinew]

Yeah, I defeated providence in single player to get the profaned soul crystal, or took 2 hours.

I know things sometimes can be cosmetic, but I just feel with summoners there are not many ways to deal damage other than no class weapons, and adding this as a feature would add some dynamic with the summoner class.

I mean, then the whole whips situation doesn’t need to be thought about as, you can just use the normal whips for 1.4 then be able to use this item till Sc, is this a stupid idea or am I the only one who thinks it makes sense, but at the end of the day I wouldn’t want to upset the creator, I mean it’s an amazing item

[unique vector]

i pinged her

she can respond when she feels free to

[fossil finch]

It wouldn't add some dynamic to the summoner class because literally everyone would not do the challenge because it's ridiculous

[cobalt pewter]

would cal rework whips to be like the

the bbbbbbbbbbbbb

(jungle attunement)

[swift sinew]

Thank you.

[swift sinew]

That’s like saying no one will defeat providence at nighttime because it’s pointless as you only get dye, and people have done it for that reason.

Are you a summoner?

[fossil finch]

I've played all terraria classes multiple times yes

Also night provi is miles away from this

[gray nebula]

Sulmmoner damage

Summoner Damage Summoner Damage Summoner Damage Summoner Damage Summoner Damage Summoner Damage

[fossil finch]

psc challenge condition is extremely easy to lose unintentionally without noticing, and it's absolutely ridiculous in general

People just won't do it at all

[gray nebula]

(No we will not rework whips but im fine with adding more melee whips for the funzies)

[swift sinew]

Well it’s possible, you give people the option, to actually put their skills to the test.

[fossil finch]

this is not an skill test either at all it's just how long are you willing to tedium yourself out for an op dev item

[unborn siren]

balancing adding more whips sounds like a nightmare

[sleek wadi]

Yeah the PSC challenge failing off of fuckin star-tainted generator is stupid.

[fossil finch]

With this type of things either no one does them because they're dumb or everyone complains because they're locked because it's stupidly hard to get it

[cobalt pewter]

(understandable, melee whips are superior)

[fossil finch]

so, no, spc working pre dev tier if dropped on challenge won't add anything to summoner at all; people will just not do it

[swift sinew]

Ah I understand, yeah I guess that makes sense, maybe turning the soul artifact into a fraction of the dev would be a good idea

[cobalt pewter]

why not just make PSC drop from Night Provi pre endgame

(with PSA equipped)

Night Provi is extremely tough anywhere but endgame, and it's less tedium

[fossil finch]

even then their point is making it work not dev tier

[sleek wadi]

Yeah PSC's actual effect should stay in the dev tier, the PSC challenge could do with some more leeway though

This thing shouldn't be failing off of star-tainted generator

[swift sinew]

So, how would you go about it?

Because, I am the only one who thinks getting to use a power like that after Sc is kind of meh, I mean it’s really cool, but I would have loved it throughout killing other bosses, even if it is a little less damage

[fossil finch]

i disagree

Boss Rush exists and dev items are allowed to be cool even if you're not really using them on anything

[sleek wadi]

Its definitely a really cool weapon, I'd hella play a whole class based around it tbh, but it being cool is not enough to justify a tier shift

Calamity has also been purging its scaling items for quite some time so it getting a scaling element to compensate for being obtainable earlier would go against Calamity's general design.

[violet dagger]

my main problem with the latest suggestion isn't even the suggestion itself

its the fact the monolith spawned on the fucking dungeon

[sleek wadi]

Worldgen moment

[swift sinew]

So maybe just rework the normal profaned artifact to work like post crystal, and keep the crystal completely cosmetic, but with added vanity features?

[fossil finch]

I doubt amber would like that much
Though both items are dedicated to her i think

[sleek wadi]

I think its fine where it is aside from the challenge being too strict.

[fossil finch]

Wait no not even

[swift sinew]

Maybe she might then?

[fossil finch]

That's not even the problem

It's just

: what is the point of doing that??

[sleek wadi]

And all the challenge would need to be not strict is to not fail if you deal summoner accessory damage.

[fossil finch]

Also bash damage

😃

[sleek wadi]

The challenge does have 1% HP worth of leeway so you don't bash it away

[swift sinew]

Yep, I mean you need like god slayer amour to even start it, as taragon and bloodcore both have AOE - found that out after like 6 hours of doing it

[fossil finch]

Someone did once actually

Gs doesn't have a summoner helmet anymore shake my head

[sleek wadi]

How do you bash away 1% of providence's health pool?

[fossil finch]

Idk but they did

[sleek wadi]

Bash is like, maybe 1k damage at most lmao

Accounting for the multiple hits on providence's fat ass

[swift sinew]

Because summoner doesn’t have many weapons to actually deal damage, and instead have to use weapons it can’t even get extra damage for.

I mean there is literally a whole mod made for the whole purpose of using a summoner weapon to deal damage and avoid the penalty

[fossil finch]

So add more items like uh
Metastasis or cinders of lament or virid vanguard or the one sg drop instead of retiering this dev item because?

[sleek wadi]

Then you'll probably get more success in asking for more "direct" summoner weapons ala sentries and borealis bomber

Don't have to specify what those summoner weapons look like or how they function, just that more of em are added

Or some current ones are reworked into those. I wouldn't mind say blood clot staff getting changed into a more active weapon

[swift sinew]

I think it’s more about the fact that the weapon is so unique and really adds worth to the item, but yeah if that isn’t possible and of course if the actual dev isn’t okay with it, then yeah maybe asking for more versitle weapons for summoner pre moonlord might be a better idea

[sleek wadi]

Calamity certainly isn't opposed to making summoner click more than once in a boss fight seeing as we got weapons like Igneous Exaltation

[gray nebula]

DO NOT ADD more weapons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

😱

Just change existing ones 😇

aha wait we have plans for that

[sleek wadi]

I agree, just make blood clot staff epic

[gray nebula]

ahaha i have a plan for that

[swift sinew]

That’s what I suggested, but someone said to not mess with dev items

[gray nebula]

Well i mean

doesnt have to be dev items

ombgus 'mongus

[unique vector]

sussy

[swift sinew]

What about reworking the profaned artifact?

To be more like pSC crystal, but with worse dps?

[fossil finch]

Tbf tbf iban what summon weapons are there

🤨

this is where the saros line comes in

To break my kneecaps

[swift sinew]

I understand you pinged her, but is she still semi active or should I just forget about it lol?

[unique vector]

she has do not disturb on

[swift sinew]

Ah, I meant more like, has she been active in the past 7 months?

[unique vector]

in public channels no

[swift sinew]

Ah, so probably out of luck, thank you though

[unique vector]

np!

[frozen hornet]

that one's also her dedicated item

[wanton patrol]

bro

prove them wrong

[cobalt pewter]

#bugs-read-pins

this ain't place for bugs

[wanton patrol]

im not complaining for bug

just say about someone just disrespecc the dev

[hot zephyr]

my care level is at 0

[small timber]

(implying multiplayer bug is gonna get fully fixed in the next decade), but ya just report to bugs-read-pins

[vocal grotto]

One of the most recent messages in #bugs-read-pins

[hot zephyr]

the major multiplayer bugs caused in the newest patch have already been identified (although logs are much wanted)

[vocal grotto]

I fixed the significant things literally in the last 2 hours

[small timber]

to put it simply it has 1% higher likely chance for this bug to not already be known by devs (and is probably in fixing)

[grave zinc]

@thorny sapphire - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a grace period where no bosses can naturally spawn for a few in-game days after starting Hardmode]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@bitter drift - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[add the ability to remove the sniper's scope zoom out ability by disabling the visuals on the accessory slot it's on]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff Stardust Armor (Either Its Defense or the Stardust Guardian)]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@lucid flare - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename the Exo Mechs' Treasure Bag to Treasure Box]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@karmic ruin - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Navystone should not turn into stone when you purify it]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ruby plover]

oh no, the sniper scope one got through to dev server

[cobalt heath]

fuck my sugg was a day too young

but lets just hope that the scope doesnt go trough

polaris i think your idea has already been sent into dev server and its already in dev plans

like 2 weeks ago

[cobalt heath]

@hollow shell wasnt polaris idea already sent to devs? I remember a sugg being made and it was marked to be in dev plans

[hollow shell]

Oh, right, yeah

You confused me, I thought there was a Polaris Parrotfish suggestion that I didn't see

[cobalt heath]

no i meant the shrine one

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

Yeah lol

@ashen warren We have plans for the shrine items. They will not be pure RNG to find/obtain anymore.

[cobalt pewter]

spill da plans

[hollow shell]

iunno how much has been said

They're not really grandiose overall

[cobalt pewter]

I mean I hype the f out of stealth formula to the point that dom only saw me as numbers, and it's mostly a backend change

but yeah, I don't think anything has been spoken much about shrine rework bar what you said

(which is reducing the RNG)

[grave zinc]

@cobalt pewter - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Simplify Kelvin Catalyst's recipe.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[golden tulip]

poggers

[distant gyro]

new recipe

100 ice stars, avalanche, glacial crusher, effluvium bow, snowstorm staff, icebreaker, 10 essences of eleum

[cobalt pewter]

that's incredibly epic

[small timber]

wait isnt kelvin catalyst donor weapon?

[cobalt pewter]

yes

[golden tulip]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759234723322134568/942135277621739550/ezgif.com-gif-maker_35.gif

[cobalt pewter]

and the dono themselves contacted the devs for a change iirc

[frail mantle]

when the suggestion was posted the donor was pinged to ask if they were alright with the suggestion, then phup and the donor discussed together to work out a recipe they were both content with

[cobalt pewter]

for comparison, the current recipe is

200 ice stars, frozen key, 10 essences of eleum, 2 avalanches, 2 effluvium bows, 2 glacial crushers, 2 icebreakers, 2 snowstorm staffs, 2 souls of cryogen, 2 frost flares, 2 frost cores and cryo stone

[golden tulip]

got halved basically

[cobalt pewter]

the weapons got halved, frozen key, frost flares, frost cores, cryo stone and souls of cryogen are snapped

only eleum is untouched

[golden tulip]

nice

no more frozen key is huge

[hollow shell]

Hey @ashen warren do not post comments into #suggestions-posting
This is the second time, now

Oh, third time

Yeah I'll Warn for that

[cobalt heath]

they did it

THE THIRD TIME

[ashen warren]

👀

[cobalt heath]

i think the sugg that got dev plans proposed a compas off some kind

[small timber]

with cryostone removed from kelvin catalyst, is brimmy stone the only relic that combine now?

[cobalt heath]

but polaris you could delete the sugg cause then it would not clutter voting cause its getting marked w dev plans anyways

[eternal escarp]

tbh not everythings needs to be crafted thats kinda boring

i feel like making it just easier to get would be interesting

[golden tulip]

the year is 2027 copypasta

[eternal escarp]

i.e fighting GSS perhaps in a corrupted / hallowed desert could give a few shards 100% of the time

[eternal escarp]

so true!

if everything is to be crafted theres no point tbh

[golden tulip]

gamer plays game that requires grinding but doesnt like grinding

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759234723322134568/942135277621739550/ezgif.com-gif-maker_35.gif

[eternal escarp]

byeah @cobalt heath crafting is boring and i honestly doubt itd pass if the sugg is about crafting it

[eternal escarp]

add something like this as an example, HVM and Perfs do something exactly like this

so it also adds consistency

[cobalt heath]

ah, the perf idea would be really good

[eternal escarp]

basically try making it more broad, alike "make x and y more easily acquired" rather then 1 option (which sucks imo esp for a material drop)

[cobalt heath]

that they drop from bosses

[golden tulip]

i thought putting more emphasis on bosses was a bad thing

[eternal escarp]

well i gave GSS as an example

[cobalt pewter]

wait didn't i

suggest this

[cobalt heath]

did you?

[cobalt pewter]

well not craftable in particular

[eternal escarp]

Perfs / HVM are just a boss that do something like what i gave as an example

[cobalt pewter]

but making the shards more accessible

I had a small convo with rover too actually

[cobalt heath]

i play w no spread so i would prefer an option w not getting them from the mummies only

[golden tulip]

more accessible is good but personally i dont like the idea of it dropping from bosses or it being craftable

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell what was the verdict of the similar sugg we talked about? I think it's about GSS in particular no?

(it was rejected iirc)

[eternal escarp]

i mean yeah not specifically bosses but making a mod drop craftable just forwards the idea of

"i want every playthrough to be over as quickly as possible grrr"

[cobalt heath]

maybe they could drop from like pixies or shit?

like from more common mobs

that aint biome locked

[eternal escarp]

just mention easily accessible and give examples

[cobalt heath]

w the desert

[eternal escarp]

make the sugg broad, with examples

rather then the sugg is about "do this with these"

[cobalt heath]

oh yeah

but i dont have time atm i have class rn

ill do it later

[cobalt pewter]

wait what

I am now confused

[cobalt heath]

they just never got to it i guess

[golden tulip]

ok den

[lucid flare]

awesome

[unique vector]

amoongus

[worn cobalt]

What does a flag mean in suggestion’s voting

[robust lava]

There’s a legend in the pins of #suggestions-voting

And this channel

[distant gyro]

wtf not fact checked

[fleet igloo]

I asked them about it, seems like it's a bug on their side

[distant gyro]

then uhh

[eternal escarp]

they were factchecked the moment it was suggested i think?

[golden tulip]

📸 4k

[small timber]

@eternal escarp btw (semi-suggestion related question) since I know you are a tester, what mod do you use to show dps on boss? (like the one that show after boss is defeated), I thought it is nycro no hit proficiency but there is no config for this, asking because I want to prove yoyo bag makes most yoyo worse and make suggestion for it

[eternal escarp]

i use both Caltesthelper and nycros, yeah

i can give you a caltester copy if you cant find one

(it should be on the Nohit doc aswell though, if you wish)

[ashen warren]

you done this 90 times get ban

[cobalt heath]

done

[eternal escarp]

looks great now ye

[golden tulip]

1.4 has a sleeping mechanic doesnt it?

[eternal escarp]

also your example recipe is uhh

i assume you meant souls?

and yeah JE has a sleeping mechanic

[cobalt heath]

ty for pointing that

[golden tulip]

(wtf is JE)

[eternal escarp]

Journeys End

[golden tulip]

oh i was like

java edition?

[eternal escarp]

i dont like calling it 1.4 since people could assume its 1.4 of the mod

yeah thats the downside of saying JE

[golden tulip]

byea uh

i think the cosmolight is overpowered and should be removed in 1.4

[eternal escarp]

tbf the Enchanting Sundial already exists

[cobalt heath]

no

[eternal escarp]

so

[golden tulip]

enchanting sundial is balanced by it not being spammable

[eternal escarp]

personally i like the Cosmolight as a form of QoL, though immediately after WoF might be strong yeah

it is definitely usefull for the mechs though

[frozen hornet]

Doesn't enchanted sundial skip an entire day/night cycle

[golden tulip]

the cosmolight trivializes the entire day night cycle which is tied to a lot of things

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah it does

byeah i think maybe postponing Cosmolight in progression could be interesting when JE gives the funny sleeping mechanic

which speeds time up by 5x iirc

[golden tulip]

later in progression is also good

but trivializing the entire day night cycle as soon as you enter hardmode is too powerful imo

[eternal escarp]

yeah i can understand that

[frozen hornet]

Post-ml crafted with luminite(moon) and unholy essence (sun (technically))

[eternal escarp]

sotrue

[golden tulip]

that would actually work if there was anything related to the day or night postml

lmao

[frozen hornet]

Providence smh

[golden tulip]

i guess

[small timber]

ya grabbed caltester, thanks for helping

I will just test yoyo with yoyo bag or replace with warrior emblem, I think yoyo bag super nerf yoyo contact damage but since most yoyo projectile seem to be unaffected, yoyo bag being unusable on pure contact yoyo and slightly dps boost on projectile yoyo

[eternal escarp]

be sure to still have a DPS meter on

[small timber]

ya I will, always had it on no matter what

[eternal escarp]

ye

if you want to list things effectively this is usually how i do it

weapon | time | average dps, maximum dps | notes if there are any

[small timber]

ok, I will try to be as accurate as possible

since well, that is the point of testing it

[eternal escarp]

ye

[eternal escarp]

you should provide better reasoning then "itd be cool"

could give an arguement for an Astral Mimic that it would give more content for the Underground Astral biome

but yeah, better reasoning is needed

[fossil finch]

Let them be actual mimics

[small timber]

ya if it is about mimic it is way too much work

multiple weapon/item, spirtes and the enemy itself

[fossil finch]

Astral mimic looks like a monolith, abyss mimic like plantymush

[small timber]

ya the only way it will even be happening is just be golden mimic but with different sprite

[cobalt heath]

isnt tat specific and thus not allowed

[eternal escarp]

not too specific

[small timber]

specific is like "yo add this astral mimic that add a melee weapon that function like a whip and release projectile when the tip of the whip strike the enemy, 2nd weapon..."

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[golden tulip]

i would fucking hate an abyss mimic

[spare harbor]

I was thinking more of a glowing voidstone look

[small timber]

oh ya why would mimic appear in abyss

[cobalt pewter]

abyss mimic would suck

[eternal escarp]

h

[fossil finch]

it would

[golden tulip]

imagine wanting to get that one weapon you want after already opening 4 and its a fucking mimic

[cobalt pewter]

but an astral-mutated mimic would be an interesting mob to expand the astral enemy pool

[fossil finch]

Anyways i say plantymush because things eat plants

Mimics are mimics because they're predators that trap things

[cobalt pewter]

too bad there's like

actually no

[small timber]

anyway since no one is pinging him

[eternal escarp]

the only place i could see any real arguements for is Astral
Abyss / Sulph Sea have no reason to have mimics

[eternal escarp]

he is right here lol

[small timber]

oh

[cobalt pewter]

yeah astral would be fine with a mimic

sulp sea is kinda what

[golden tulip]

it could work with the biome rework tm

[cobalt pewter]

and abyss is an instant no

[eternal escarp]

you just need to expand the reasoning for it
something like this

[small timber]

unique drop is probably a bit too much (it requires adding multiple weapon/item just for it)

[fossil finch]

Crags mimic that uh

Uh

uh

[cobalt pewter]

crags mimics (it uses shadow chest)

[small timber]

if you just want biome-looking mimic (like how underworld one look like shadowchest) probably is slightly more likely to happen

[fossil finch]

nO

[spare harbor]

Hold on

[fossil finch]

WHY DO PEOPLE ACT LIKE YOU CAN'T DO MIMICS THAT AREN'T CHESTS I WILL RAGE

[small timber]

(though still need to provide a reason of why we need biome mimic that much though)

[spare harbor]

I have a cooler non-mimic related idea

[eternal escarp]

because people are boring

[fossil finch]

He's literally just suggesting to add a new enemy for enemy variety though

[cobalt pewter]

because it's the only precedent in vanilla, and cal hasn't done anything against the precedent

Thorium adds a handful of non-chest mimics

like life crystals and pots

[fossil finch]

Then do add things

Lol!

who cares it's the only precedent in vanilla

[small timber]

I mean the suggestion is referring to crimson/corrupt and hallow mimic of course we expect it to be chest

and adding an entire new mimic type is probably a completely different suggestion

[golden tulip]

why are you surprised we only think of chest mimics when that is all vanilla has ever had and vanilla is what we are basing our thoughts on

[small timber]

like what else can work, destructible pot mimic?

where you try to melee it and it bite you

[golden tulip]

possibly

[fossil finch]

because it's like

[small timber]

(or life crystal mimic but I think thorium or something have it)

[fossil finch]

Basic fantasy stuff that mimics could be anything?

Mfs tunnel vision vanilla

[golden tulip]

its really not that weird stop acting like it is

[fossil finch]

it's really that weird stop acting like it isn't

[golden tulip]

you are annoying as fuck

[spare harbor]

Okay what about this.

Add more abyssal features (like scoria and rock formations) to the empty layers.

Example:

Sulfur
-empty-
Abyss1
Abyss2
-empty-
Boss Rush

[fossil finch]

Same

[spare harbor]

But replace the empty with just more ore and stuff

[small timber]

I think abyss is mostly filled?

unless you mean replacing the layer

[spare harbor]

Nah there are very large empty parts

[eternal escarp]

theres still no point theorizing since your sugg still requires better reasoning
without reasoning itd likely not pass anyways

[eternal escarp]

already gave you one arguement even

[small timber]

I remember the largest part being sulphur to the actual abyss (which have some sulphur chest), other area I think still have shadow chest and somewhat narrow space filled with enemy?

not sure

[spare harbor]

My reasoning is that there is not enough scoria to go around in large multiplayer servers

[golden tulip]

cant you fish?

crates?

[eternal escarp]

you can

and you can kill Devil Fish and Chaotic Puffers

that arguement is rather invalid

yeah

[small timber]

problem is you will have enough for singleplayer (and tbh probably enough for like 2/3 players), but ya scoria is renewable

[eternal escarp]

also can fight Ravager

theres enough scoria outputs

[small timber]

pop a zerg in underworld and you have enough chaos slime to probably last a long time

[spare harbor]

I cant post images 😢 i was gonna show an example

[eternal escarp]

chaos slimes dont exist
but yes there are 2 enemies that drop it

[golden tulip]

lmao warned

[eternal escarp]

plus a boss

[spare harbor]

He drops scoria???

[eternal escarp]

Necrotic Geodes

they hold scoria bars

and Fleshy Geodes

depending on progression he drops either one

[spare harbor]

Oh well, ever since the update multiplayer is broken and we cant beat Ravanger or Plaugebringer because they just freeze and crash the world on phase 2

😢

[eternal escarp]

regardless, still missing a good arguement to add more mimic enemies

i gave you an arguement for an Astral one, but the others really have no reason to exist

the Abyss is loaded with content as is

[spare harbor]

Well, because idk i like the mimic enemies lol. They are cool, and I like the themed biome items alot

[eternal escarp]

they are cool is not a reason

[spare harbor]

Imagine like Abyssal Flesh Knuckles

[eternal escarp]

sounds terribly boring but thats subjective

[spare harbor]

Or like a new grappling hook!?! Omg we all want that

[eternal escarp]

theres already Serpants Bite for a hardmode hook

[safe oasis]

wait 2? chaos fish and what else

[eternal escarp]

the Devil Fish iirc

[small timber]

if using this for reference I dont think there is much empty space

[eternal escarp]

Chaotic Puffers and Devil Fish

[small timber]

other than the final layer (and before actual abyss start)

[spare harbor]

Woah…

[safe oasis]

never heard of chaotic puffers until now

[small timber]

this world is generated on new patch too

[eternal escarp]

i think they were recently added?

[spare harbor]

OOH ok

[spare harbor]

I havent been past Polterghast in the new patch so I haven explored the abyss

But yeah, cool they did fill it in

[small timber]

ya there isnt really many empty space tbh

unless they massively change the structure of abyss

[eternal escarp]

the Abyss is indeed, loaded with content

[spare harbor]

Wait no, THERE IS EMPTY SPACE

[eternal escarp]

some would say too much

that space is used for the minibosses at the tier

[spare harbor]

The whole bottom section

OOH

i forgot about them

[small timber]

the final layer is somewhat intentionally empty I think

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[small timber]

(because now you also have to fight AEW there with enraged version being complete chaos)

[spare harbor]

Okay what about this

[eternal escarp]

assuming people fight AEW in the abyss

[small timber]

I mean AEW have new enrage now

[eternal escarp]

yeah but some people would rather fight him enraged iirc

[small timber]

to the point that it will be super unfightable outside of abyss

it pull you to his head like old eidolon wyrm every 5 seconds so ya not very fun

[spare harbor]

This one is a huge stretch, but a built in arena for ceasless and Polterghast that generates at the very bottom of every dungeon

Reasoning: building the arena sucks

[eternal escarp]

im fairly certain his enrage is doable

[small timber]

very often suggested suggestion

[eternal escarp]

that is frequently suggested

yeah

not even a stretch

[small timber]

basically devs already want to do it, just massive headache with changing vanilla features (the coding)

[eternal escarp]

it reached dev like, twice

[spare harbor]

How about Cryonic Furnature

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[small timber]

furniture stuff probably suggest to art server will be faster?

[spare harbor]

Not enough Ice/Cryogen themed stuff

[eternal escarp]

furniture would be added if people sprite it i believe

otherwise i dont think a sugg will spark it of all things

[spare harbor]

Probably to CalVal right?

[eternal escarp]

calval is a different entity

you could suggest it there aswell

[fossil finch]

Sprite the furniture yourself iirc

[eternal escarp]

^ thats how it works for calamity usually

[frozen hornet]

Become marie the second

[fossil finch]

The reason there's not furnitures for everything is because there's no one doing sprites

[eternal escarp]

both the Acidwood and the Exo furniture added this update were submitted in the art server iirc

[spare harbor]

ANOTHER SUGGESTION

Remove the backstab on the DoG waifu pet

[eternal escarp]

its a dedicated item

youd need permission to suggest stuff about it usually

[frozen hornet]

You're gonna need terry's permission

[spare harbor]

Ok

[eternal escarp]

mhm

[small timber]

the backstab is intentional

[eternal escarp]

(yeah its rather amusing aswell

[small timber]

and also that pet you can only get it on Deathmode hardcore, so acquiring it in the first place is like, rare

[eternal escarp]

wdym just get it via a normal character

and then open it in a hardcore one

(the bag)

[spare harbor]

ANOTHER SUGGESTION OMG

Give Skeletron Prime 8 arms in Malice lol

[eternal escarp]

no?

[small timber]

no

[eternal escarp]

now youre just putting out ideas that make no sense

[small timber]

I dont think need to explain why

[spare harbor]

ok, ok. Removed SCal’s damage reduction so you can use Cheatsheet 😎

Lol

[eternal escarp]

those are not corelated

[spare harbor]

Ok i got to go

[eternal escarp]

and still we should focus on the sugg you actually have suggested

which still needs to be edited to give proper reasoning

[spare harbor]

Oh, i didnt really want it to be added

[eternal escarp]

..so why did you suggest it

[spare harbor]

I just wanted to put something out

[small timber]

ya at this point if you dont want to bother just let it get exclaimed

[eternal escarp]

or just remove it yourself

[frozen hornet]

Use cheat sheet for what?

[spare harbor]

Killing her

[frozen hornet]

you already can

Her antibutcher was removed in 1.5.1

[spare harbor]

Oh

Man i am not up to date with the new updates

[frozen hornet]

Should've read changelogs smh smh smh

[spare harbor]

All i know is that Biome Blade makes my Tmod explode

[small timber]

@echo lion weapon rebalance/buff/nerf suggestion tend to require you to provide stats, dps and killtime etc

with the precedent of similar suggestion getting rejected becaues of lack of stats

[echo lion]

I saw other people including text boxes with stats, how can I make one for that post?

[small timber]

I will be honest you have to test it yourself

since those people (likely) also get their stats by testing

[echo lion]

I'm not talking about getting the stats, I'm talking about making the text box to put the stats in

[small timber]

oh that one, just drag text file directly into discord

it will automatically convert (in my case I just use notepad since it is widely available)

[fossil finch]

🤨

[unique vector]

@ashen warren DoG already has a death animation

[ashen warren]

oh fr

what is it

guess i stupid

[small timber]

update your mod and you can see for yourself, if you didnt notice it your mod version is probably out of date

[unique vector]

segments explode in succession

also DoG isnt a centipede lol

[ashen warren]

i know

[small timber]

nah he is referring to OPM

[unique vector]

ik

[fleet igloo]

Can I suggest custom boss spawn sounds

What if it's something like "use PBG phase 2 transition sound effect for spawning as well"

[frail mortar]

Generally unless it's a request to adjust a mechanic of a boss, it's likely to not pass

[small timber]

target dummy is probably not the best target, but I guess should let actual tester speak on it instead

[fleet igloo]

Does spawn sound count as a mechanic

[gray nebula]

?

???

[small timber]

since right now there really isnt a proper judgement system on stats (and rebalance suggestion)

[gray nebula]

Question marking

[frail mortar]

I mean sounds have sometimes passed and those were more audio queues for boss attacks

Spawn sounds might pass?

I dunno

[fleet igloo]

It's probably safe to sugg then

I guess?

[gray nebula]

idk why spawn sounds would be bad to suggest

its jus there for flavor

[frail mortar]

Ye

It would be cool if some bosses had a spawning animation

[golden tulip]

sound effects have more chance to get in than boss mechanics

[frail mortar]

Like with pbg if you summoned him, you'd see the boss start off in the jungle background facing the player, you'd hear the pbg's flight systems get louder as it approaches, then it appears before the player

Yep

[small timber]

DoG still have right>

the roar on spawn

[frail mortar]

It would be cool if DoG used a portal upon summoning him like he uses for phase 2

He comes out of a portal in phase 1, uses another to enter phase 2

[gray nebula]

can't wait to sprite a custom front facing pbg just for the intro sequence that plays at the start of the fight

[frail mortar]

XD

Wait you already have that planned?

[golden tulip]

front facing bosses

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699869792877936680/844673704658600008/image0.gif

must be why golem sucks

[grim tusk]

You need to learn sarcasm

[small timber]

also on the topic of DoG, is his current movement intended?

because he just randomly do the (pre-patch) deus up-of range light speed charge now

randomly

[grim tusk]

DoG just turns around faster

Far faster than before

[gray nebula]

i was joking about it being a lot of extra effort just for a spawn anim

[small timber]

no turn around is not the problem, he turn around and immediately light speed charge you

[grim tusk]

DoG in mult is a buggy mess that will get solved

[small timber]

like malice yharon charge, unreactable kind of speed

[frail mortar]

Ah

[grim tusk]

What mode are you on?

[small timber]

Dmode

[grim tusk]

Try to not use the old strat

The 1.3 strat vs DoG no longer works

[fleet igloo]

Wait, DoG doesn't already have the "coming out of a portal" spawn animation?

[small timber]

ok I think it is a one time thing

because I dont think that movement is intended, now I fight it a 2nd time seem to not happen

it seems like he forget to turn off his "chase speedup" and just run into me

[cobalt pewter]

unironically do it

22 memes and all

[grim tusk]

:22:

fun fact: AotC's dmg at one point was 2222
you can prob guess what happened

[small timber]

king slime lore accurate death animation when

[cobalt pewter]

giving PBG an entrance sound would've been nice

[cobalt pewter]

22

[small timber]

also since there is an active tester here: is yoyo (or yoyo bag) generally tested/changed in this update?

[grim tusk]

pretty sure it still is like 20/20 in Isaac

[gray nebula]

22

[cobalt pewter]

also is dog supposed to have each of its parts blown up during his death anim? because I tried looking up the anim on YouTube and it only shows dog awkwardly stopping before fart happens and he just dies

[small timber]

he start exploding from his tail

[eternal escarp]

The Infernum Way™️

[small timber]

just that his head (like head 20% section) explode together and people focus on the head so you dont see it

[eternal escarp]

yeah he just explodes one by one

[cobalt pewter]

so it's not like he's left with literally his only head by the time the anim ends?

kind of a weird decision but ok

[eternal escarp]

in the original animation theres a flash so you dont see the final pieces explode at one

i guess it was a deliberate choice not to have that happen in Calamity

[cobalt pewter]

I was hoping for a more extravagant exit, something like all of his body pieces breaking during the anim, leaving his head dropping awkwardly before exploding big

would've been funnier

provi's is gud I think

is yharon supposed to have one as well?

[eternal escarp]

yeah but it isnt that grandiose afaik

[cobalt pewter]

and scal bros apparently have death anims too

and theirs are so fucking cool like what

[frail mantle]

iirc yharon's animation is just him being thanos'd

[small timber]

I think the only one that dont fit is yharon tbh

[cobalt pewter]

...I wasn't sure why I addressed new death anims here, but I guess my point is that dog's and yharon's kinda underwhelming

[small timber]

considering previously he explode into a ring of fireball now he just disappear

[cobalt pewter]

provi is cool and good

scal bros somehow got the best death anims

[cobalt pewter]

apparently he still does the ring

just disappear instead of exploding

[small timber]

wait what

[cobalt pewter]

wait lemme get the video I was talking about

https://youtu.be/itdP3eJ295M

[small timber]

no I just tested it in game, previously I thought he is just finishing his bullet hell

ya 1 ring of projectile, that makes his death animation looks even weirder

I think (providence-like) death animations will fit him a lot more tbh, instead of just disappearing

[cobalt pewter]

mhm

[fleet igloo]

Devs have said something about Yharon, so it's intentional at least

[small timber]

I think can remove the "first death" part, first death only death animation do not really make sense

[cobalt pewter]

hmm

[small timber]

just make it so it is visible (for all segments to explode) at all times

[golden tulip]

feels like theyre hinting towards him being a phoenix and such and possibly returning?

[small timber]

(more dragon less chicken)

[golden tulip]

still a phoenix

[safe oasis]

where are you getting this lo

it’s not climactic because he isn’t a literal god unlike providence who is

yharon is just a dragon

[golden tulip]

clearly more powerful than the providence we fought

[safe oasis]

well the terrarian is also clearly more powerful than both, but they still aren’t a god in any sense and have no capability of exploding or whatever when dying

[golden tulip]

the hell

that is such a not good argument

lmao

[cobalt pewter]

@spare harbor I am pretty sure said config has been banished

so if your sugg relies on that, too bad

[spare harbor]

Oh :(

[gray nebula]

Yea dog's death anim would greatly benefit from exploding faster near the tail and spending more time near the body

well it can havel ike an in and out speed curve

starts slow, picks up the pace so the body disintegrates super fast, and then slows down as it reaches the end

[spare harbor]

Man i suck at making suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

I'll leave it to the devs for the detail, at the very least having all of his body being given time to explode would at least make the anim actually worth a while if you're near his head (which is like most of the time you're fighting DoG)

[unique vector]

suggs disc overanalyzing dev comments

[cobalt pewter]

so tr

[golden tulip]

was waiting for that one

[spare harbor]

Suggestion: 1/100000000000 chance to place an ice block with Icyee’s face on it

[frail mantle]

i can imagine DoG in his death throes starting to panic and flailing around for a little bit before he slows down, stops and then finally explodes

[frozen hornet]

Phoenixes turn into ash when it dies

[small timber]

@spare harbor cross-mod balancing will literally double the work of devs team (and will also require thorium to comply as otherwise the balance will ALWAYS be off)

also Revengeance item stop existing (except Adrenaline/Rage upgrade) so fact check on this

[frozen hornet]

Cal used to have thorium support but it got snapped

[small timber]

ya because tbh it simply dont work

too much work and it is still constantly off balance, the two mod have too much difference in how they balance thing

[spare harbor]

Man im sorry i havent been caught up in the calamity mod in so long

[frozen hornet]

Catch up then

Before making suggs that is

[spare harbor]

Ok

[small timber]

ya you really have to play it before making suggestion, because a LOT had changed

[spare harbor]

Idk how lol I beat Death Mode a long time ago

I have 640 hours on tmod loader

(I beat it before Exomechs)

[small timber]

the recent update massively changes Death Mode in terms of difficulty, and ya it dont really relate to your suggestion (since Thorium is not balanced around Rev let alone Death Mode)

[spare harbor]

Ok

Im currently doing a new run on the newest version

Ive crashed like 10 times

[cobalt heath]

the sugg is weird cause you are sugging content to a mod that isnt calamity

[unique vector]

@hollow shell do u know if yhe thorium sugg is supposed to be exclaimed

[stable musk]

BIG UH-UH

SOMEONE PUT ❗

on icyye sugg

[crude geode]

chill

[unique vector]

???

[grim tusk]

Pretty sure yes

[stable musk]

icyee sugg without ❗

[grim tusk]

Just because high effort

And for reasons already stated

[stable musk]

Also crossover things are uh-uh

[small timber]

probably ultra-high effort, and also require coordination from thorium so the balance dont break from their side (like post-ragnarok stuff probably shrek until yharon)

[gray nebula]

that suggestion could be replaced with "rename rose stone so it's not confused for one of the elemental stones (that aren't elemental summoning items)" and it'd work just as well

with less effort

[stable musk]

Suggestion guidelines also say smth about
"No crossover items/enemies/bosses emt.c."

[gray nebula]

the fire elemental stone rôle is already filled with chaos stone anyways

[small timber]

I mean kinda also works

(just that the current Rose Stone sprite do look like Rose Stone so...)

[stable musk]

So yeah, changing rose stone name could also work not breaking entire brimmy

[small timber]

my 2nd concern was whether making Rose Stone completely not "relic" accessory is something that can be suggested, since it kinda exist for a long time

[cobalt heath]

taven i would exlaim it for now and let rover take it off is they so see

[small timber]

if that is approved then I will just suggest renaming it

[crude geode]

renaming would make more sense tbfh if it's that confusing

[small timber]

ya then I will just change to renaming for now, since it is seen as the better solution

tbh it is just for the sake of consistency, as other relics get changed while Rose Stone is still HotE era effect

[eternal escarp]

@unique vector sorry for the ping but i feel like this should also be exclaimed, #suggestions-posting message tried telling them to provide a reason reason that isnt "it could be cool" a few times, and later on they mentioned themselves they didnt even want the sugg to be implemented

(the mimic one, if the link breaks)

[small timber]

(and also multiple weapon/item potentially to fulfill "unique drops", since it is explicitly compared to Hallow, Corrupt and Crimson Mimic not the gold chest mimic variant)

[golden tulip]

worth mentioning they do not give the impression theyre old or anything

[unique vector]

moong

[eternal escarp]

us

[cobalt heath]

Is animus a donor item

i want to post a recipe change on it

[unique vector]

its one of fab’s dev weapons i think

[cobalt heath]

fuck

[crude geode]

you can still post a recipe change to it

[cobalt heath]

but dont dev item changes need the devs aproval

[unique vector]

if it passes we’ll let fab know

he prolly wont care too much

[cobalt heath]

cause i want to add the last mourning to its recipe

[crude geode]

why?

[cobalt heath]

im thinking why other than it would fit as the edgy spooky true melee weapon

[crude geode]

you could add any true melee weapon to animus then tho lol

[grave zinc]

@karmic ruin - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Navystone should not turn into stone when you purify it]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[eternal escarp]

(if only it actually was an issue )

[cobalt heath]

lmao

[grim tusk]

@terse pumice too specific

[golden tulip]

boomerangs are visually stunning?

what boomerang is visually stunning

[terse pumice]

Triactis Hammer

[golden tulip]

its just big

[grim tusk]

only Subduction slicer (stealth), Final dawn and Celestus :lo:

[golden tulip]

celestus is also just big

[grim tusk]

triactis has a pretty sprite though (but is melee)

[golden tulip]

true

[grim tusk]

afterimages make it look better (but everyone disables em)

[golden tulip]

idk i dont think boomerangs are anything special lol

[fossil bronze]

aren't all the calamity boomerangs rogue now?

[grim tusk]

and yes, all Cal boomerangs that are not hammers are rogue, melee keeps hammers to be consistent with Paladin's hammer

[terse pumice]

yea and I feel that's kinda the problem

[golden tulip]

apart from that youre asking for a whole new class

not happening

[terse pumice]

not a class like Melee

or Ranger

[grim tusk]

subclass would still be a lot to ask for (esp with rogue fucking shadow potion)

[fossil finch]

what
what

what

i am legit questioning what

[gray nebula]

what

?

I dont understand the suggestion

and im pretty sure making anything more convoluted is a bad thing

[golden tulip]

we are talking to the dude right now

[terse pumice]

I understand but I thought it would just help the flow of the mod

[grim tusk]

rogue has already enough complexity with the boatload of accs it has

and potions

[fossil finch]

anyways uh
the calamity state of boomerangs is already ok

[vapid mango]

mage needs more accessories

[fossil finch]

i don't see how this would help the "flow" [what?] of the mod

ranger needs more accs

ranger is ranger though

[grim tusk]

mage and ranger need more accs

ranger also needs more than damage or projectile spam (this went horribly lol)

[terse pumice]

I personally think Melee has to many swords

[glass marsh]

I agree with this. Ranger needs more accs

[fossil finch]

the devs agree heavily and are on their way to change that

[grim tusk]

yes that why they are being made less boring

[golden tulip]

more scissors

[vapid mango]

why would melee not have lots of swords

its melee

[fossil bronze]

because swords are boring

[fossil finch]

either by making swors more interesting (Aotc line) or by making swords other types of weapons (we will see)

[fossil bronze]

other weapons are cooler

[terse pumice]

Vanilla Terraria had to many swords to so it is likely just a side effect of that

[fossil finch]

its a side effect of fab 4 years ago loving melee too much and adding sword after sword

[golden tulip]

favourite child much

[drifting osprey]

i say heavy hammer weapons

[glass marsh]

I'm a Melee/Ranger hybrid, and I love how the Ark weapons felt (Tested them out on my Creative world, not in actual game play yet.)

[drifting osprey]

creates a shockwave / projectile on impact with the ground or platforms

[terse pumice]

at least Calamity actually stays more in line with what is what and has their strongest weapons in actual subclasses unlike Vanilla Terraria (Cough Cough Zenith)

[sleek turret]

kinda like one of the ooa melee weapons?

[drifting osprey]

sorta like astral biome infuse on biome blade

[vapid mango]

wtf bro

i never thought

[drifting osprey]

ooa?

[vapid mango]

i would see the day anyone recognizes the ooa melee weapons

[sleek turret]

old one's army

you know

[drifting osprey]

oh

[sleek turret]

the sitting event

[terse pumice]

Brand of the Inferno has a unique gimmick

[vapid mango]

sky dragon's fury is so awesome

[drifting osprey]

yea i never touched ooa

weapons seem kinda dookie

[unique vector]

@terse pumice we have never balanced weapons considering whether they were "boomerangs" or not to my knowledge

[vapid mango]

flying dragon is really cool

[sleek turret]

flying dragon is cool

[unique vector]

why do you want there to be a new weapon subclass

how is this any different than just adding new weapons altogether

whats the point of expanding this subclass and how is it related to your whole melee/rogue explanation

[terse pumice]

yea I know there are problems with my suggestion and I just thought it could separate Melee and Rogue Boomerangs more

[unique vector]

is your problem that theres not that many boomerangs? is the problem that you want more rogue weapons? is your problem that weapons feel that they have too much of an overlap between melee/rogue?

[unique vector]

but why does there need to be a distinction?

[sleek turret]

there isn't as many boomerangs for melee and for rogue honestly and that's ok

[terse pumice]

third one

[unique vector]

im going to add an exclamation to your suggestion

feel free to delete and repost it once you have a clearer explanation for what you want and why, besides "it would be cool" for reasoning

[terse pumice]

ok

I actually had a different suggestion I wanted to do

[grim tusk]

not yet (shadow potion)

[unique vector]

que

[sleek turret]

so, it probably refers to shadow pot having an on hit effect with rogue boomerangs

[unique vector]

oh

rogue moment

[glass marsh]

I'm wondering what to suggest. Currently, I'm thinking about a Pre-Hardmode Ice Gun that inflicts Frostburn (not sure if it should be a ranger or Mage weapon) and shoots about as fast as Undertaker

[unique vector]

for what reason (?)

that sounds like its very close to an SIS

[grim tusk]

SIS

go read the doc

[glass marsh]

Oh... sorry.

[grim tusk]

also snowball cannon sort of fills that niche already (Cal buffs it and makes it inflict frostburn)

[sleek turret]

it does

[glass marsh]

Thanks for letting me know I was making a SIS. Forgot about SIS there for a minute.

[hot zephyr]

introduce rogue scythes as a subclass due to melee already having boomerangs

[cobalt pewter]

jjffjfjf

meanwhile there are still rogue boomerangs

[hot zephyr]

death sickle and soul harvester

[cobalt pewter]

BRUH

[hot zephyr]

yeah that's personally my biggest issue with this suggestion

[fossil bronze]

also, final dawn and celestus are completely different weapons

in terms of functionality they have almost nothing in common

[hot zephyr]

unless i'm tripping, i believe the consensus with the rogue v melee for boomerangs is that cal boomerangs are rogue and vanilla are melee

i think personally the ideal suggestion would be to decouple the two fully and to remove the melee boomerang from rogue weapon recipes

(ie, changing how equanimity is made, and then removing thorn chakram from the terra disk recipe)

which could be done pretty easily by replacing the two boomerangs in equanimity with cobalt bars, and then replacing thorn chakram with the mangrove chakram in the recipe for elemental disk

[cobalt pewter]

yea sure

[hot zephyr]

but even then, i don't think it's necessary

[hollow shell]

For the most part yeah

though some of ours are melee which we believed fit the class more, such as the Paladin's Hammer line

(in fact it was literally just that line)

(plus Seeking Scorcher cuz it's Possessed Hatchet)

[cobalt pewter]

I think it's fine if rogue boomerangs become melee and rogue use exclusively scythe as a boomerang alt

[fossil finch]

seeking scorcher isn't a boomerang per say i think so like

fundamentally has homing therefore its not a boomerang

:5head:

rogue in itself doesn't have any "boomerang" weapon, afaik, they're all disks or scythes or unrelated (enchanted axe)

(that one crabulon drop. maybe? idk if it was melee or rogue)

[ruby plover]

shroomerang is rogue, i know it has a stealth strike effect

[fossil bronze]

there's the victide boomerang too iirc

[fossil finch]

oh yeah

[frozen hornet]

Equanimity is a boomerang too

[frozen hornet]

rogue losing it's only elemental weapon

[fossil finch]

elemental scythe real

(its still a disk

[frozen hornet]

meanwhile melee gets it's fourth ele weapon

[fossil finch]

rename elemental weapons to

to be funny

[cobalt pewter]

equanimity is a boomerang

already said but fuck it

[frozen hornet]

[fossil finch]

anyways, yeah rogue doesn't have a lot of "boomerangs"

[cobalt pewter]

personally I'd also want to see a distinction with scythes to differentiate from boomerangs, but eh

[fossil bronze]

that'd mostly just be a change to the shadow potion though in terms of gameplay afaik

[frozen hornet]

melee "scythes" are pretty much projectile swords anyways

They just look funky

And I don't know how you'd throw a scythe other than having it spin like a boomerang

[fossil finch]

scythes in general are horrible weapons but

Rule of Cool

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[grave zinc]

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make biome shrines easier to find]

It has been decided that your suggestion can neither be passed nor denied; either the devs have already made plans that conflict with it, or they have decided to implement an altered version.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ashen warren]

👀

awesome

[cosmic robin]

im back with the mr flip flop idea and this time no racial slurs i promise

[grim tusk]

I suggest you read the pinned doc before making suggestions

[novel belfry]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
wait wtf was I thinking, thank GOD they're going to get better

[fossil finch]

???

[fleet igloo]

Biome shrines are going to be reworked, that's not a bad thing

[gray nebula]

reworked

[fleet igloo]

Or something

[unique vector]

???

[fleet igloo]

I'm not sure

[unique vector]

sussy

[fleet igloo]

The "rework biome shrines" sugg had the 🛠️ reaction so I think that's what's going to happen?

[fleet igloo]

They seem to think it's been... not sure what word works here

It's not exactly "denied" but I can see why one would see it that way

[gray nebula]

reworked

[hot zephyr]

reworked

they'll be a lot more epic once they've gotten some much needed love

[cobalt pewter]

re

[unique vector]

i think we're al ready sorta trying to space out the stealth bonuses

but idk

[novel belfry]

it seems odd that rogue doesn't have stealth in the armor pieces, especially with mage getting basically the same thing already

but apparently consistency is not a tenet for the caldevs

aww fuck

[unique vector]

🤨

what are your microaggressive comments accomplishing here

[golden tulip]

mage gets stealth in armor pieces?

[ruby plover]

i cant tell if thats a joke or not mage gets mana use reduction and max mana per armour piece usually

[eternal escarp]

the way they worded it is someehat confusimg but yeah they likely meant mana for mage being like stealth for rogue

[golden tulip]

it was a joke

..half

[small timber]

wait hellwing staff still isnt nerfed after the rebalance?

or the pre-HM and HM rebalance havent happen yet

[elfin plover]

in my playthrough now its not nerfed

[eternal escarp]

should still provide killtimes

agianst bosses on tier (or if you want the drive the point, on bosses ahead of tier aswell)

[austere cargo]

There was a suggestion about moving Ravager to post-moon lord. Would that be post-providence to keep bloodstone in the same place in progression or post-ML so bloodflare armor becomes an alternative to tarragon

[small timber]

Dev plan moment, I don't think devs will provide us with extreme detail

since it is kinda a spoiler for update, in some sense, we only know because we suggested and get told it is "already being worked on", but specifics not provided

[austere cargo]

oh, ok

[eternal escarp]

bloodflare armor requires polterghast anyways
also afaik it was confirmed that Rav will be specifically post provi with Bloodstone yeah

[fleet igloo]

Won't bloodflare be changed at that stage though

Having to fight two bosses for one armour set is kind of weird

[eternal escarp]

that was not stated

also thats how bloodflare works currently

so, lmao

[austere cargo]

hmm, calamity usually goes for more nonlinearity, so gating behind providence seems odd

[eternal escarp]

it could become strictly ravager but its not confirmed

[fleet igloo]

Can't you farm enemies for the bloodstone and technically skip the bloodstone boss(es)

[eternal escarp]

assuming they would keep the bloodstone drops, yeah
but bloodstone itself is still locked to provi currently

[stray quarry]

I'm not the only one receiving crashes correct? Spawned a boss and when I died it literally fell to the bottom of the world and my world when i followed it was unloaded.

[eternal escarp]

so youd need to do 2 bosses in both situations

its an issue with 1.5.1.2, wait for next patch

also wrong channel

[stray quarry]

oh thanks

[austere cargo]

(I'm kind of assuming that bloodstone changes from its current state to being Ravager's unique drop material)

[eternal escarp]

that is what i also think yeah
but we cant know for sure Bloodflare armor will also change from needing polter or not

so yeah

[austere cargo]

is polter post-prov? I don't remember

[eternal escarp]

in theory yes

in practice, polter can be fought immediately after ML

[sleek turret]

fargo moment

[cobalt pewter]

@grizzled spindle 1.4 vanilla already changed stardust guardian

it's redundant for cal do rework it as well

considering the big

porting™ is sorta near

[sleek turret]

Eventually

[grizzled spindle]

polterghast is the easiest post ml boss ngl

providence is the second hardest before supreme calamitas

[ashen warren]

yeah if you got good dungeon world gen

[grizzled spindle]

just clear a big area then you're good to go

300 tiles height and width is good enough

[small timber]

dont need to argue with boss difficulty here, it is super subjective

unless you plan on suggesting it

[grizzled spindle]

just saying

[ashen warren]

tbh polter kinda needs a rework

imo

[frail mantle]

it's a bug where hovering over the biome blades in your inventory, usually in magic storage, crashes the game

[eternal escarp]

true biome blade that came from the old update specficially, iirc

[frail mantle]

i believe the issue has already been fixed in test versions

[grim tusk]

@grim arch known bug and will get fixed for next patch, but yes use #bugs-read-pins

[eternal escarp]

and yeah this is not the place for bugs
and yeah the bug is very much known

[grim tusk]

Wait is it?, didnt see anything on the notes, gotta test that

But yea mult is bugged to hell and the dev team is still fixing that

[frail mantle]

not too sure but i thought i saw dom mention it being fixed

or at least the issue being identified and a fix being in progress

[grim tusk]

I do remember this

[grim tusk]

But i dont recall this nor is it on the build’s changelogs

[frail mantle]

then i'm probably misremembering

[gray nebula]

its not even a

it doesn crash when in your inventory

never saw anyone mention that

its just magic storage being bad

[frail mantle]

i thought i did

[gray nebula]

also yeah i tried to fix it by rewriting the tooltip editin

[river wave]

how about 'make voodoo doll summon WoF even if the guide isn't in the world'?

hopefully wouldn't be that hard and would make life a lot easier right before hardmode

[golden tulip]

if you want the guide to respawn faster, there is a config for that

for any town npc that is

[river wave]

that's cool but a bit hard to find for most players who won't all have people to tell them about that

[golden tulip]

thats why im telling you

[river glen]

config is not that hard to find

i mean u go to settings and u see mod config no?

[eternal escarp]

yeah

3 clicks away

people should go through their options regardless for the many keybinds calamity has

[golden tulip]

well yea but just the knowledge of it being in the configs is not common

[river wave]

but it's like, kind of annoying that such an essential boss has to be summoned in such a tedious way, and that also doesn't solve housing problems, (if you have too many NPCs and hate building housing)

[golden tulip]

just build a house

its not hard

[small timber]

it is the vanilla way so I dont think calamity is willing to change it

[golden tulip]

you can literally just build 10x10's

[small timber]

at least not in the short term

there obviously is solution (like make doll just summon WoF), but calamity dont really want to change such an iconic vanilla mechanic

[golden tulip]

this is better but so boring

[river wave]

ok then. Thanks for the tip Nutella.

[golden tulip]

np

[golden tulip]

this makes it like 9/10 other modded boss summons

click and summon

thats it

click item and boss spawn woohoo

atleast vanilla only has like 3 required at most of such a thing

[small timber]

objectively worse is just plantera, other I dont really have complain

my complain with WoF summon is more that it is consumable but not that it is not one click

[golden tulip]

its only worse because building an arena in the middle of a cave is ass, and because its a 1 time summon but its good because you need to explore for it and its unique

this is more just me going on a rant because of boring modded summon items

yea but not vanilla

thats the whole point

[small timber]

it is unique in a frustrating way, you pretty much have to build arena around a bulb (or to drag plantera from 10 miles away while it petaled you), have completely random spawn rate and (pre-patch) it was limited to 3 for the entire jungle

so I mean, it is not exactly great, unique though

[golden tulip]

its not very good mechanically

[small timber]

(and that is not considering failed attempt)

[golden tulip]

but its good thematically and so its not boring

[small timber]

ya, thematically it is unique, that I definitely agree

[golden tulip]

i mean the only unique summoning thing calamity has is draedon, poltro and old duke

am i missing any?

eh

kinda

[small timber]

if you mean truly unique I will not count polter, not even scal and deus tbh