suggestions-discussion

[cobalt pewter]

do they really need to be? but yeah, my point is making them a combo weapon with each use, I think

[hot zephyr]

perhaps

[cobalt pewter]

shortswords would benefit a lot being combo weapons, being small and directional weapons

[muted osprey]

shortswords are just london simulator

[unborn siren]

shortswords are mostly fine throughout the game

sub shocker + adrenaline is great

the only time they suck is against DoG

[small timber]

I think just make it more specific instead of just suggest to remove all of it altogether

From my experience:
Providence one are fine, it just adds challenge to the attack without much annoyance (especislly it is nerf next patch)

DoG is fine (it just make a rather boring attack slightly more interesting)

Yharon can get annoying depend on what BH

This one I am not sure but doesnt Scal do that before 1.5?

[unborn siren]

I should make a suggestion about increasing the abilities of the Gallileo gladius projectile so it can keep up with DoG's head better

it should be good against DoG in theory, but in practice it just hits the head once and then wastes all it's pierce and lifespan on body segments

[royal tapir]

SCal did not have aimed BH projectiles before 1.5

Honestly, the only aimed projectiles I'm against are Yharon and Cal Clone

[unborn siren]

draft:

Increase the homing/turning speed of the Gallileo gladius projectile

The weapon should be good against DoG in theory and is even recommended in the class setups wiki, but in practice it has less average dps than even some pre-polter weapons. The reason it has such little dps is because the projectile zooms past the head and hits it once, then wastes all it's pierce and lifespan on the body segments while it tries to catch back up with the head. It also encounters a similar problem when trying to hit the tail because it just can't keep up. Increasing the turning and/or homing speed of the projectile would significantly increase the viability of this weapon against DoG.

[small timber]

Hmm then scal one is definitely the worst offender, because it completely disrupts the bullet hell phase and incentivize more to build an arena (since the aimed projectile is trivialized)

[vocal ivy]

She's pre golem

[small timber]

Yharon is depend on BH I think, for final BH I like the aimed projectile but many other BH it just annoying

[royal tapir]

Cal Clone is the worst offender imo, especially BH2

[small timber]

Oh ya cal clone bh 2, but that is 2 issue in 1 since it also have the problem with you cant move 2. Step away from beginning point or face accelerated projectile

[royal tapir]

Having the aimed projectile is what makes BH2 practically impossible to nohit without run god imo, as it uses BH1 pattern + fireblasts
BH1 pattern is already narrow enough, but adding fireblasts to that makes it borderline impossible

[small timber]

Ya that one I do agree, because it feel bullshit in non-nohit already (eventhough usually I dont like to use nohit for argument)

[royal tapir]

Y'know, we wouldn't have this problem if Cal Clone spawned a box during bullet hells hehe

[small timber]

Can be difficult, since spwaning boxes midfight is kinda

An approach that can work is just put a totem/whatever indicator to be the rough arena

Since the current problem is (from observation), it has a centre point that move with the player? Thats why it is so funky

[royal tapir]

The problem is that the hellblasts accelerate too early

If you stand still, they're basically accelerating as soon as they pass you

[small timber]

Oh thats why it is so weird, I just always moving so I assume it is just when player moving from the centre point

[royal tapir]

Hmm, I should make a suggestion out of this

Tomorrow though

[small timber]

Ya definitely, that do not seem reasonable at all

[bright crag]

I think it's disruptive to all of them
They're not that bad, just not a good, justified addition

The only one I forgive is DoG's laser

Because the 1.4 laser walls were really easy, and the laser forces you to manage your space while being very predictable

It's not disruptive, blends very well with the original pattern

Maybe because of how the laser walls work

Meanwhile, Yharon is shooting a stream of fireballs at you when you're trying to dodge a massive bullet hell

[small timber]

ya I understand your point, although another exception I think can be made is providence

since providence is the one that you can easily overcome with just better dodging (instead of purely disruptive like yharon or scal) due to how providence bullethell pattern works

but ya regardless, I think it will be better if you make your suggestion based on specific case instead of all of them, since people might held differing opinion on each one of them

just make your suggestion on the ones you find the most problematic by all means (and almost all people regards as "the worst")

[frozen hornet]

Isn't yharon's aimed projectile the same or at least really similar to provi's spears

[small timber]

it just fire a projectile directly at you once in a while (or later Bh extremely rapidly) I think

[frozen hornet]

I saw it fire a whole stream at me once

[small timber]

ya it is like final BH, in other BH it is once in a while

[frozen hornet]

I see

[cobalt pewter]

@gleaming wadi dps additions is good, but you lacked the equipment to back the numbers up

plus balance suggs are in a weird state rn or smth

[small timber]

purge guzzler have like 90% chance of getting nerf anyway (unless beta tester is too busy testing pre-HM and HM weapons)

[crude geode]

@ashen warren you mean like teleporters?

[ashen warren]

Are there in Calamity?

[violet dagger]

they are vanilla

[crude geode]

Base vanilla

[ashen warren]

1.3.5?

[violet dagger]

sold by steampunker

yup

[ashen warren]

...how far in is the steampunker?

[crude geode]

Hardmode post mech boss

[violet dagger]

in calamity she spawns right after you start hardmode iirc

[short walrus]

teleporters have been in the game since 1.2

[violet dagger]

or was that changed

[crude geode]

Changed

[ashen warren]

Well that sucks

Guess my dream of sticking it to Dreadon will have to wait until Calamity moves on to 1.4

[crude geode]

Bruh you already have it in the game

[ashen warren]

In Hardmode

[crude geode]

You want instantaneous teleportation pre-hm?

[small timber]

the design is generally that you get more QoL in HM

[crude geode]

🤨

[small timber]

just like why cosmolight is HM only

basically you struggle with non-QoL in pre-HM but in HM you get more QoL but bosses get harder

[ashen warren]

Not fully flesh out from the beginning

[crude geode]

You only unlock wiring post Skeletron anyways

[small timber]

if you want pre-HM teleporter you probably can find other mods that add it

there is not much reason for calamity to add pre-HM teleporter (especially that teleporter exist in HM) unless they significantly change how they design progression

[ashen warren]

I'm not much of a gamer like the rest of you. I can't just walk up to Skeletron and put my muddy boots on his couch without a beating

[small timber]

like one example is alchemistnpc lite, which add biome teleportation potion

that yo ucan buy super early

[cobalt pewter]

@ashen warren

• Teleporters
• (1.4) Pylons and Magic Conches
• Astral Arcanum

[crude geode]

Even if it were to be added it would likely be disabled during boss fights

[crude geode]

1.4, instantly disregarded

[cobalt pewter]

shut

[small timber]

tbh probably unlikely to happen with calamity, so instead of struggling to suggesting it just get another mod that does it immediately

[ashen warren]

I could care less about leaving in a middle of a boss fight. I just wanna put my muddy shoes in every single Dreadon Base I can.

[small timber]

most people play with other mods (like QoL mods) alongside calamity anyway

[ashen warren]

Loki brought up some good ones, I might try those. Then look up mods if that don't work

That teleports you to spawn or bed.

Not from one set point to another.

[small timber]

then isnt it just recall potion?

[ashen warren]

wait.

I was thinking recall, my bad

tell me more man

[small timber]

ya assumign you want to teleport to another point

alchemistnpc definitely do the work

but if you want more there is a mod that let you set temporary house (camping) so basically you can set spawnpoint anywhere

I dont use that mod so probably have to ask someone else the mod name

[ashen warren]

I actually want something like the 1.4 pylons in 1.3.5. Those I had at least needed to work for, but not so much as to kill a (cheating SOB) skeleton.

I'll take a look

[small timber]

pylon in 1.4 you probably have to wait for 1.4

[unique vector]

thats a 1.4 thing yes

just wait for those

[small timber]

there is restriction (from tmodloader developer, not calamity) to prohibit adding 1.4 things

[ashen warren]

Thats what I said before

brb

Oooo.... * intake breath * MMM is good but I have to restart the game from scratch... I need to flip for this.

someone call heads or tails

[fleet igloo]

1. Where are you in progression
2. Do you just have to start a new world or do you have to delete everything (if it's the former, can you bring items from the old world to make things easier)

[ashen warren]

I've beaten 3 bosses and in order for the the world to have the mirrors, I need to make a new world. I don't feel comfortable taking from multiple worlds (I feel that the game can be beaten with the items you're given on one world), so I will have to restart from scratch.

Heads or tails. You win, I restart. I win, I continue on. And just to let you know, I have horrendous luck.

[timid flower]

An idea that was discussed in the nohit server, a tooltip that pops out in the pwnhammer's description that breifly explains the early hm rework, something simple like Hardmode ores now spawn when killing mechs, this will make it so that new players who are used to vanilla early Hardmode will be notified of the system as soon as they get the pwnhammer

Would this be ok

[fleet igloo]

Yeah I think it's fine

[timid flower]

coolio

[unique vector]

eh

i mean

im not the biggest fan of throwing something like that onto an item tooltip

since those are super fucking hard to read to begin with

but nothing inherently wrong with the sugg itself

[fleet igloo]

Maybe you could reword it into something like "add a hard-to-miss explanation of the HM rework in game"?

[crude geode]

Yeah the sugg is fine it’s just. disagreeable which is like normal for 30% of all suggs

[timid flower]

i mean would making it popup in chat be preferable?

[fleet igloo]

I don't think so, it can be missed

[timid flower]

yea my thought exactly

like different colours in tooltips are possible

[fleet igloo]

I recommend going with something general like this, then adding some ways it could be done in the body of the sugg

[timid flower]

yea that wasnt the suggestion itself just the core idea in a draft

but yea

[pulsar marlin]

Compression

[fleet igloo]

3 bosses is early enough I think, not sure if you want me to decide the side of the coin

I think it's best to just think a bit about which you really want and then go for that

But if you want me to decide ||tails|| I guess

[unique vector]

even worse

it’d probably be better done through npcs

give the guide more use

sinc ehes suposed to be a fucking guide

lols

[fleet igloo]

do it in chat, item tooltip and NPC dialogue

ram it down players' throats so they can't possibly miss it

[small timber]

just wait for this to come into reality and we can start adding textbooks onto item without making it dumb

[timid flower]

noone checks the guide tho, not even new players

[fleet igloo]

⬆️

[ashen warren]

I thank you, but I had already flipped because I thought everyone moved on. I did tell you about my horrendous luck, didn't I?😂

[small timber]

and ya adding to guide will probably be just adding essay onto guide dialogue, which is not relaly much clearer

[ashen warren]

So yeah. Restarting.

[small timber]

cant you craft magic mirror in calamity?

[ashen warren]

Also a guy named Smoothie needs help in the Calamity mod talk.

[unique vector]

give him more uses then

[ashen warren]

I think I read world spawn only

[ashen warren]

MMM Mod

[fleet igloo]

I think they want something like pylons?

[timid flower]

ok now you've changed the suggestion to make the guide useful

which is completely something different

but i get yuor point

[unique vector]

.??.?????

im not the one

[ashen warren]

man found a mod for me that fixes that. Though it has to spawn in new world chest.

[unique vector]

suggesting

okay broski

[ashen warren]

OH no!

Wait, I can craft them in this mod

Rev and Xpc was right

I just need a magic mirror and then the right items

[fleet igloo]

Is the old world still there

Actually if not there might still be some auto backups?

[ashen warren]

I haven't moved yet

so I can still save

Now to go download the mod and hope nothing messes up

[fleet igloo]

Cool

[ashen warren]

Thanks Terrarians

Or...Calamitans

And soon to be Cataclysians

[hollow shell]

I believe you mean "easy to miss" in your first sentence @timid flower

[timid flower]

god thanks

proofreading isnt my strong suit

[hollow shell]

👍
Seems like a good suggestion tho

[timid flower]

thats nice

[small timber]

also since the suggestion is not getting sent, if this is happening then it probably have to go through this way

[onyx hill]

Altraxia a more colorful version of refraction rotor 😄

[frozen hornet]

I meant the projectiles fired by the weapon not the weapon itself, but cool sprite nonetheless

[onyx hill]

thanks

[fossil finch]

She's post golem for tiering and balancing purposes, same as duke.

[fossil finch]

Use amidias iirc

Certified calamiguide

[fleet igloo]

imo guide needs to do something that can't be replaced with looking at the wiki for players to actually use him

[fossil finch]

close th wiki 👍

[fleet igloo]

Even if he does say something about it there's no guarantee players will actually read it

Especially if the NPC provides a service, players might talk to them just to use it without actually reading the dialogue

Also since breaking altars give so much less of a reward, it also shouldn't do the "corrupt a random block" thing?

[fossil finch]

It doesn't

Anyways, i believe it's fine to go by the metric that not talking to npcs isn't the dev's fault
Calamity definitely does need to have much more in game info and npcs like guide or amidias are just fine for that

[small timber]

I think most player actually is disincentivize from reading npc dialogue

just because how 99% of npc dialogue except the Guide is useless in vanilla

[fossil finch]

Me when my game has flavor 😭

[fleet igloo]

You mean it doesn't do the corrupting? I was under the impression that it did

(Looked it up in the server, last I remember it's still in)

[fossil finch]

Im pretty sure fabsol explicitly stated it doesn't

[fleet igloo]

Huh, I'll look it up

The NPC thing is mostly in regards to informing players of the HM rework, and it might be easy to miss if it's just on the guide and nothing else

[digital saddle]

purge guzzler being so strong is a bug i believe

[eternal escarp]

yeah

same with weapons that use the same explosion like Fault Line and Subduction Slicer iirc

[frozen hornet]

I think it was said in draetalk (which is archived) so maybe that's why you didn't find it

[austere cargo]

if Voodoo Dolls stack, then throwing them will have to be moved to their use effect rather than throwing from the inventory

since otherwise you'd throw the whole stack

Do dolls even have a use effect?

[deft yew]

Nope

[deft yew]

I mean, just right click the stack

[austere cargo]

remind me, does the throw hotkey throw one or the whole stack?

[deft yew]

All yes

^

[austere cargo]

well I certainly don't, but I imagine there's some people who do for some reason

still, would there be anything wrong with having its use effect be throwing it?

would mean you could toss it without messing with your inventory screen

[cobalt pewter]

I think the button is fine for controller

PC and mobile do not need the throw button as they can drag items out of the inventory space

to throw em

[west jackal]

Damn how many Suggs happened overnight

The dog Telegraph one isn’t needed

The laser walls already give a Telegraph before they shoot

Which the guy mentions

Adding another Telegraph for something that already has 2 different ones is kinda

[small timber]

the first laser wall "telegraph" is not a telegraph, because it is the initiation of the attack

the current situation is as if moon lord do not have his top eye slightly light up before firing laser and call the fact that the laser don't start immediately on you but sweep towards you the telegraph

the turning invisible is the proper telegraph for the first laser wall, but it is not visible if DoG is not in screen, which is what the suggestion trying to fix

[cobalt heath]

The voodoo one is really good

[hollow shell]

I'm fairly confident you could make the voodoo dolls stackable while still being equipable
Dyes are an example

[eternal escarp]

i think its because Dyes are unreforgable?

though, i guess its part of the same change

[golden tulip]

you can equip voodoo dolls ?

why would you do that

[eternal escarp]

to kill the guide

..manually

(no real reason basically)

[golden tulip]

[eternal escarp]

unlike clothier voodoo dolls

the guide gives nothin upon actual death

other then, green cap, ig

[deft yew]

wait a minute

just checked, you can't reforge guide doll

[golden tulip]

menacing guide doll

[cobalt heath]

I would just Change it so the point is making dolls stackable

[eternal escarp]

oh lmao!

[royal tapir]

Oh yeah, it's Cal Clone suggestion drop time

[small timber]

oh you are not mentioning arena or something?

then I make it a different suggestion

[cobalt heath]

cal clone is big love to me atm

[tardy smelt]

they did mention an arena

[small timber]

ya I ctrl+F arena, but since it is only 1 line I think I will just suggest it anyway

[tardy smelt]

I'd personally remove your sugg

since its just... made obsolete by CIT's

[crude geode]

It’s really just gonna split votes tbfh

[small timber]

I mean it make the same point tbh

not like opposite opinion

[tardy smelt]

yeah

e.g. its a duplicate suggestion

I'd personally remove your sugg

[small timber]

hmm I still think like him mentioning just for 1 line is like, really thin on "duplicated suggestion"

I will just store it to be posted another time then

[tardy smelt]

it still covers the idea

[small timber]

whether it is just 1 line or the entire suggestion is based on it changes the context (of how important it), but ya regardless I will just post it another time to avoid all the conflict

[digital saddle]

i mean

cal clone bullet hells are worse than any of scals

so

incredible hellblast density

[fossil finch]

I disagree heavily

[cobalt heath]

can i sugg an auric toilet?

wait toilets arent in calamity atm

nvm

[worthy lintel]

.....there's already one

[cobalt heath]

o

pog

gonna go make one

[timid flower]

Huh

[gray nebula]

wait a second why is the "rebirth" theme not the phase 1 theme

is he still using the original version of his theme when the new one has been out there for super long

i mean i remember that there was some stupid thing with him using both based on wether or not you beat dark sun which is kinda stupid it feels like the same as trying really hard to find a way to keep an old sprite after a resprite but for music.. zamn

[royal tapir]

Uhh, yeah

He is using original Infernal Catharsis in phase 1

[shrewd ruin]

Yeah he still uses og

[golden tulip]

rebirth is so much better

ive thought about suggesting to replace it but idk what else to say other than "it sounds better"

[grim tusk]

It not only sounds better, it was supposed to be a better and updated version of the original theme and it would make much more sense to use it

[ruby plover]

I'm almost certain that's been suggested before

if not, I know for sure it's been talked about in here before

[deft yew]

I’ve heard multiple times that’s being fixed

Mostly from Phup

[grave zinc]

@digital saddle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Move the start of the jungle plague and pbg to different points in progression]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[deft yew]

So the bot can do that now

[fleet igloo]

hello it's me with yet another stupid Old Duke suggestion

Hopefully this one is more sane, and hopefully I have enough info about this point

It's just tier 3 acid rain helping to get bloodworms, since they're really rare (I don't think I've seen one, even though they spawn at any point in progression), and according to the wiki, the spawnrate is halved after encountering OD

So doing this could help connect the boss to the event better, as well as making spawning it less tedious?

[fossil finch]

They'd die from enemies

[ashen warren]

or yknow

make them not be damaged by enemies

[fleet igloo]

I was thinking making them drop as an item from the enemies (justified with the enemies having eaten them maybe)

Alternative would be to craft them using sulphuric scales and corroded fossils which also gives them a use, but "make bloodworms craftable" is already requested quite a bit so no point in me re-iterating it

[deft yew]

code them to count as enemies like with lacewings

[fleet igloo]

I think there's a ban on adding 1.4 content with mods? Not sure how much this infringes on it

But either way is the idea behind it fine

[fossil finch]

there is but unkillable critters isn't 1.4 content lmao tf

[ashen warren]

lo

[grim tusk]

adding mechanics like unkillable critters is not banned (see SmartDoors and FunctionalBlockSwap)
Adding stuff like Zoologist, whips or EoL is

[fleet igloo]

Yeah ok

So T3 helping to get bloodworms is fine?

[grim tusk]

as long as is worded well enough and follows the sugg doc, yea go ahead

[lucid flare]

hello everyone lvii here again with another dumb idea

what if certain bosses had different custom HP bars for the yet another boss health bar mod

i remember thorium did it

(also this is mostly because i can't see the HP of all of the exo mechs when they're all on screen with the mod because it only shows up to 3 bosses in it)

[half sage]

this will be fixed next update, iirc artemis and apollo's healthbars are being merged into one since they share damage taken anyway

[small timber]

Does thorium naturally have hp bar?

Because calamity have their own hp bar and they put a lot of effort to it (like the new enrage bar etc)

[fossil finch]

Thorium doesn't, no

I don't believe calamity should hahe yabhb bars because it already has its own

[small timber]

Ya then it make more sense that throium make extra special effect for yet another hp bar since they rely on it

[lucid flare]

while i also believe that it isn't necessary, i also believe it would be cool (*gets suggestion denied for stating "it would be cool" as reasoning*)

[fossil finch]

It would be cool maybe but do THE SPRITERS care?
Destroyed

(Explain this one, atheists)

[lucid flare]

janded suggestion restart

[fossil finch]

Now pardon my horrid excuses at humor as i go away because the point has been made and the sugg is valid

[lucid flare]

i think im just gonna leave it here
if anyone wants to go ahead and put this into #suggestions-posting i give you full rights to do so

[unique vector]

i believe we wont add a boss hp bar bc that kinda of overtakes yabhb

like, we tend to avoid adding things that outright make it pointless to use popular qol mods

oh wait u mean chstom ones

i mean,.,, idk

it’d be cool!

[lucid flare]

the mod already has a boss HP bar anyway lmao 🗿

maybe i should've been clearer that i was talking about Custom "Yet Another Boss Health Bar" Boss Health Bars

[unique vector]

yea but it doesnt like have the same utility/usefulness as yabhb

[lucid flare]

how

[unique vector]

it doesnt disappear when bosses are invisible

[cobalt pewter]

invincible*

but yes

though cal's shows enraged state, which wouldn't matter that much in 1.5.1 anyways but it's a qol so djfjfk

[unique vector]

its also arguably harder and more inconvenient to see

[sleek turret]

often kinda sucks on some smaller resolutions and i personally dislike covering and entire bar vs a small corner

[cobalt pewter]

personally no offense but I find cal's hp bar way jank for a couple reasons

[unique vector]

it exists bc funny mgr reference

[cobalt pewter]

meshing MGR number fonts and Terraria font for the names is kinda jarring to me

[unique vector]

afaik

[lucid flare]

wait What What What What

did i miss something

(the not mattering in 1.5.1 part)

[cobalt pewter]

not really kinda?

malice is useless now

[sleek turret]

ok maybe adding the custom font for the boss bar isn't to bad but personally i just focus on the numbers rather than the name personally

[cobalt pewter]

and the enrage indicator on cal boss hp bar exists because of malice

(yes I hate malice how can you tell)

[sleek turret]

doesn't it work for enraged bosses due to other circunstances other than malice

[unique vector]

we get it

[cobalt pewter]

anyways yes

I find the cal hp bar jarring, trying to mix the futuristic look of MGR hp bar in Terraria and the execution didn't really hit it for me?

[lucid flare]

speaking of Font
is there any mod/resource pack that lets u change the font for the game or is that not real for some reason

[sleek turret]

i think there are some mods and texture packs that do that i think

not sure about texture packs but i have seen mods

[small timber]

once this gets onto to do (soon™) problem solved

also yet another hp bar do not show % hp (unless there is an option for it) so I will argue there is still flaws

[half sage]

yea I like having them both on despite how much screen clutter it is because YABHB is easier to see for just a general overview, but cal's has % which can be useful for knowing when the next phase of a fight is coming

[deft yew]

Alright I edited to fix the whole accessory part and increase strength of reasoning

#suggestions-posting message

see you chads in the morning

[small timber]

@potent veldt (I refighted both Death Night Providence and Death Malice Providence to make sure I get it right)

1. Providence anti-heal star is getting nerfed next patch (confirmed, already in changelog) so the attack will no longer be as devastating
2. I think the crystal staying when bullet hell start is in-fact, intentional, because the bullethell DO delete other projectile, except crystal
3. Enraged/Night/Malice Providence is significantly different from Day Providence, you are in-fact encouraged to stay close/mid-rage to providence during bullethell instead of at the edge, because otherwise you can't see the projectile clearly before the accelerated to non-reactable speed (and also shorter "out of range burning")
4. the combination of anti-heal star and the laser is, in-fact, very much dodgeable, as it is very consistent. It alternate two patterns (in order) after each bullethell:

• After bullet hell, Providence proceed with normal dropping blob attack before windup and laser
• Right after bullet hell, Providence immediately start windup laser

first one is of course not a problem, second one you can dodge it reliably (provided you are good at dodging stars of course) by moving towards Providence right at the end of the bullethell, two indicators: i) if you are at the edge, the fire icon on your character disappear (meaning bullethell ended), ii) bullethell projectile amount decrease significantly at the end of the bullethell

in emergency if you can't close in fast enough, being far away is not even that bad because you will have more room for dodging the laser

[grave zinc]

@fleet bobcat - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add in a mini map icon for Cragmire Maw, and Nuclear Terror]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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[small timber]

at the end the suggestion is still valid, this pattern adds a lot of extra difficulty to night/malice providence and removing it is basically "nerf night/malice providence suggestion" (which there is nothing inherently wrong with it), just that I personally feel like if you are intentionally fighting the boss at a harder pattern you somewhat have to adapt to it

[grave zinc]

@cobalt heath - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make draedon schematics tell a hint to the previous one if you find them in wrong order]

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[potent veldt]

Most of that feels wrong though, because it's not actually consistent per bullet hell

[small timber]

it is consistent per two bullet hell

ya it is weird, but it is consistent

[potent veldt]

Yes

Which makes it a really weird consistent inconsistency

[grave zinc]

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove the 'A Desert Nuisance has awoken!' messages from the spawn message of the Desert Scourge]

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[small timber]

I still think that since it is consistent it is reliable to dodge, depends

[grave zinc]

@steep crown - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Earlier Calamitas appearances]

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[Give the Crushaw Crusher some sound FX]

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[small timber]

as stated your suggestion is definitely valid, it is just my opinion that intetionally fighting bosses at higher difficulty, you do it for the challenge, and providence is not unfair enough to warrant a nerf

[potent veldt]

Also I've never experienced the true damage bullet hell having non-reactable speed

[grave zinc]

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[potent veldt]

I don't even go that far away and I still can't see the laser area

[small timber]

it is more that when you are way too far away tbh

because the anti-heal star get way faster the further you are from providence

[potent veldt]

I really doesn't seem that fast to me when I fought it

[small timber]

mainly that you have to close in at the end of bullet hell, the alternative is to stay far away which also works (just dont stay midrange)

[grave zinc]

@gleaming wadi - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Nerf the Purge Guzzler]

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[small timber]

(also malice providence is unironically easier for that attack, the main difficulty was projectile clutter but malice projectile speed reduce it)

[distant gyro]

damage nerfed from 211 to 120, use time from 19 to 24, pierce from 2 to 1

[small timber]

I heard that purge guzzler is overpowered because of a bug, isnt removing the bug enough of a nerf?

or that is in-fact, not true

[grave zinc]

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

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[distant gyro]

purge guzzler is overpowered because of something that is simultaneously intended and on accident

along with subduction slicer and fault line

which all share the same explosion

it is intended for holy fire bullet but a lot of the items share this explosion

lazhar is another infamous one (now resident deus speedkiller)

[ashen warren]

lots of things are shared in calamity like that

and this isnt the first time that something like this has happened ill bet nor will it be the last

[sleek wadi]

'Course it won't be the last, something's gotta kill Deus in under a minute each patch

[unborn siren]

Tenebrus tides, Hydraulic volt crasher, Sea's searing, Dragon + Spikecrag, OSG, Stormfront razor

[tepid mantle]

I can't believe people vote for aimed projectiles

It's incredible bad idea, making bullet hells even more random and boring

Imagine dodge static pattern or pattern that can not even shoot one projectile at you

[ashen warren]

what?

what are you talking about

1. the aimed projectiles were added in 1.5, they did not exist before

[ruby plover]

also i didn't think aimed projectiles were a voted thing

didn't the devs just. add them in

[ashen warren]

2. it doesnt make them more random at all lmao

[tepid mantle]

Any reasons behind it ? Wouldn't it cause attacks that can be dodge by doing nothing

[fleet igloo]

Not really

[ashen warren]

very

very

very

rarely

[fleet igloo]

There's a chance that can happen yes, but you can't consistently dodge them by standing still

[ashen warren]

it happened to me once in 3000 attempts so yes it can happen

the reason behind it is because its a pain in the ass having a steady stream of aimed projectiles right towards you, esp in scals bh on higher difficulties

[fleet igloo]

The main problem with them in Calclone's fight at least is that you have to keep moving around to dodge the hellblasts, however the normal projectiles speed up to catch up with you (and don't slow down, meaning it becomes hard to dodge them) which makes the second bullet hell very hard

But the main idea with bullet hells is to only move when necessary

[tepid mantle]

Isn't it's like the point to force player to move during bullet hells

It's just depends on your view on it

[fleet igloo]

Um, I don't think so?

[ashen warren]

what

you can force them to move without making it annoying

[fleet igloo]

Having played some bullet hell games, panicking and moving around a lot tends to get you killed very easily

[tepid mantle]

Well, yes, you have to be prepared for it

But every game have some save mechanics in most bullshit situations

like RoD

[fleet igloo]

The thing with Terraria bosses is that you're likely to be moving a lot of the time due to having to run away from them, and the movement required in bullet hells is comparatively little, requiring precision instead

[tardy geyser]

imo being able to stand still for several seconds during bullet hells should be prevented in some way, aimed projectiles are just a weird way to do it.

[ashen warren]

considering they dont stop that often yes lo

and i dont see why that needs to exist

you already require good precision to avoid everything

[fleet igloo]

Actually what's wrong with being able to stand still for several seconds during bullet hells

[ashen warren]

nothing

[tardy geyser]

changing the way the bullet hell acts to make the player move would be better

[tepid mantle]

Because it’s like old dog lazers

You just see attack and do the same move

While there i have to predict where you can go

[ashen warren]

no?

im really not sure what youre on rn

no bh is the same aimed projectile or not

[tepid mantle]

Like you can fully see all the projectiles and choose one movement to dodge them

But with aimed you have to adapt you plain

[ashen warren]

you can do that regardless of aimed projectiles??

theyre even more predictable as they are well

aimed at you directly

what is your point

[fleet igloo]

I thought that was the point?

Usually there are so many projectiles figuring out a good way to dodge all of them and executing said way is a challenge in of itself

[ashen warren]

it sounds like youre trying to say youre supposed to not be able to react and have to just wing it to dodge them which is just

no

[fleet igloo]

Yeah you really only get a few seconds to figure out your movement either way, which is more or less the same as winging it for me

[tepid mantle]

Reaction time is 300-500 ms in general

I don’t how it’s annoying to react to like toasty said “more predictable” projectile and change direction of your movement

If it’s few seconds

[fleet igloo]

Which bullet hell are you talking about actually

[tardy geyser]

i guess to me that sort of defeats the whole purpose of it, if you can just find a spot where none of the projectiles can hit you. im mostly thinking of providence tho where her bullet hells are very static and you can dodge the whole thing after finding the correct spot

[fleet igloo]

With Providence it's fine I guess, haven't done the fight but I think it's a good idea

(It's the spears that are aimed at you right)

[tepid mantle]

Mostly for scal, but keep in mind all bosses

[tepid mantle]

Like never beat providence?

[fleet igloo]

Haven't fought, sorry

Just making a guess based on what I've seen of the attacks

But in cases with both Cals where the base pattern is already random

[ruby plover]

Provi’s aimed spears are a great example of aimed projectiles

[fleet igloo]

Wait what are we arguing about again

[ruby plover]

Like. It’s just a good attack

[tepid mantle]

And it’s perfectly fine

[ruby plover]

God I read this and I have no idea

I think it’s an anti-aimed projectile argument

[fleet igloo]

Oh

[ruby plover]

But is this gonna be used for a suggestion or something?

[fleet igloo]

Probably the hellblasts in Calclone BH2 part

[timid flower]

didnt this conversation happen yesterday

[ruby plover]

Oh yeah cos Stip made a suggestion about aimed projectiles

[fleet igloo]

I'm not against the hellblasts in principle, but as they currently are they force you to keep moving around in Clone BH2, when the fireblasts accelerating based on your speed makes moving a lot a very bad idea, making the entire phase a bit unfair

[eternal escarp]

im pretty sure stips sugg is about the newly added direct projectiles

like Yharons fireballs in his bullethell

rather then Providence's spears

[timid flower]

providence spears is a good example of how aimed projectiles are done well

[tardy geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1ZTuZic8MQ in thinking of the star one at 22 seconds, the stars that move slightly faster are the aimed ones.

[eternal escarp]

tbf without Providences spears the attack isnt all that different

the Stars do need a direct projectile though due to how they work
i agree with every other existing bullet hell attack not needing direct projectiles

[timid flower]

i mean yea, but if they didnt exist cheesing provi spears would be really easy

[eternal escarp]

how so

[tardy geyser]

^

[eternal escarp]

you still need to circle the spear attack

therea no real point having another line of spears to enhance so

[fleet igloo]

Yeah that's fair

[eternal escarp]

lets take Yharon's bullet hell
it on its own prevents players from standing still

what does the direct projectiles add

[tepid mantle]

You have to time your movements

[eternal escarp]

other then more weird and cheap hits in some occasions

you have to time your movement regardless

even without them

[tepid mantle]

Wait for direct shot before moving

[eternal escarp]

Yharon's bullet hell attack isnt the same each time

[ashen warren]

both cclone, yharon and scal do not need aimed projectiles

dog and provi etc are fine

[eternal escarp]

okay
so i wait for the direct shot to move, oops a curved shot now blocks my path

yeah no, direct shots bring nothing besides frustration

except in Providence's star attack

agiam due to how it works there

[fleet igloo]

Which Yharon attack has the aimed projectiles again

[eternal escarp]

the massive fireball spin attack

[tepid mantle]

Skill issue, not real example, checkmate

[eternal escarp]

...

yeah cool so you dont have a good arguement

[tepid mantle]

Your argument is attack created in your head

[eternal escarp]

i used your arguement and gave you an exact reason why its not all that correct

[ashen warren]

youre talking pure crap

lol

[eternal escarp]

@outer night you cant suggest specific things like that

[tepid mantle]

Which is basically the same as they answer me

[ashen warren]

no lo

[tepid mantle]

Like now it’s impossible to dodge

[eternal escarp]

that is not what i said

[ashen warren]

it was an example at why they can be annoying

im not continuing this any further

[eternal escarp]

what i said is they can bring occasions and instances where they bring nothing to the table other then furstrating patterns rather then chsllenging ones

[tepid mantle]

How do you separate them ? Can be frustrating attack hard ?

[outer night]

oh

[eternal escarp]

frustratingly hard != fairly hard

they are completely different things

you can have a challenging thing without annoying projectiles

aka the way it was before 1.5

[tepid mantle]

Isn’t people were like scal is too easy first attempt

[eternal escarp]

no?

besides in SCals bh it doesnt mean much anyways because you always move regardless

[fleet igloo]

Fairly hard = Dense pattern that requires precise movements to weave through
Frustratingly hard = Pattern that flies way too fast to be dodged and tends to get in your way, being almost guaranteed to hit you

[eternal escarp]

so they usually spawn behind the players trajectory

those are examples of each yeah

obviously not everything hard fsiely needs to be dense but yeah

[cobalt pewter]

@outer night too specific and no clear reason as to why

[eternal escarp]

smh feedz read up a bjt

[cobalt pewter]

wtf..

[tepid mantle]

I guess I don’t share the same view as all of you

Sorry for spending your time

I defended it because for me they don’t feel frustrating or unfair

[fleet igloo]

It's fine, also didn't your original point win in the end

Most people were probably responding to the wording

[tepid mantle]

We agreed that’s ok for provi and dog i think

[eternal escarp]

aka the ones who had it pre 1.5

[tepid mantle]

Well, calclone wasn’t a thing, yharon was reworked

[eternal escarp]

still got it in 1.5

and im not sure how much reworked yharon was

the fight is relatively the same afaik

so

(atleast the stupid detonating flames are removed soon)

[tepid mantle]

I believe only bullethell

[eternal escarp]

well its not a rework
it was just added the thing we are discussing about

[fleet igloo]

Actually, are there any examples of enemy suggs getting accepted

[eternal escarp]

way back then

when things like Great Sand Shark were allowed for suggestions

(it was a sugg

[tepid mantle]

Who accepted earth elemental

[eternal escarp]

technically also Cragmaw Mire, though it won a contest technically

i dont think Earth Elemental was a sugg

byeah new enemy sugg dont really exist anymore

[tepid mantle]

Devs were drunk as always

[eternal escarp]

[tepid mantle]

Also if anyone interested for good example of aimed attacks look at astrageldon. It use predictiveness to force player move, but still be very precisely

[cobalt pewter]

which astrageldon

[half sage]

the one from catalyst probably

[eternal escarp]

when does it use aimed attacks in the middle of a bullet hell?

hell other then the funky slimer attack in P2 i dont think it has any aimed attacks

they all look like the generically happen on screen to avoid

[shrewd ruin]

Yeah only attack does that.

[small timber]

I think he mean the cross-beam attack (something like that, I didnt fight it myself) maybe?

[shrewd ruin]

Yeah that's the attack

[small timber]

after looking at it more, or the one where the main slime rush you at the semi-bullethell section

actually the fight seem to use a lot of aimed attack, but the thing is everyone of them also has line telegraph

this means that the aimed attack is somewhat trivialized as you can simply dodge inside a safe zone (that is alraedy telegraphed)

in cal base most bullethell have no line telegraph so aimed attack become exceedingly more danagerous because you are forced to judge the safe zone immediately (except DoG laser wall, which have telegraph but you have to readjust 3 times)

[eternal escarp]

well if its the same attack i think of

its not related to the topic since its not a part of a larger bullet hell attack

unlike every other example brought up

[small timber]

ya not related, but since it is brought up I think it is justificable that it is atleast gotten right

[eternal escarp]

not really since its completely different in idea

yeah, it does it right
because in its core, without them, the attack doesnt exist

the attack needs the projectiles to work that way to, well, work

unlike things like Yharon's BH

where they worked exactly the same if not slightly better before the addition of aimed projectiles in BH

[small timber]

but ya regardless my opinion is this

yharon BH is not fine except final BH (since it is final it can make exception)

[eternal escarp]

i mean, it feels like their sugg means only the ones added in 1.5 so yeah

(though in Providence's Star attack, they do make sense personally yeah)

[small timber]

yharon didnt always shoot a stream of projectile directly at you at final BH right?

[ashen warren]

no

[eternal escarp]

fairly certain he didnt

[small timber]

ya providence star is whatever, mostly will not notice one of them is even aimed

[eternal escarp]

neither does he do it in his normal spin BH

[small timber]

since the pattern is consistent + a random pattern

[eternal escarp]

yeah

the aimed proj there does make sense

because the attack itself is rather patternized

[small timber]

DoG I think is necessary evil if they decide to keep the laser wall attack, since otherwise it will become an ultra boring attack

[eternal escarp]

(honestly never realized there was an aimed proj in his laser walls)

[small timber]

there is now always 1 laser towards you horizontally I think

previously you stand still and hook/unhook depend on need

scal one I dont think it is needed at all, if they remove the projectile block collision thing it already naturally force player to move

currently it is either abuse an arena or have no arena and increase difficulty by 10x

[eternal escarp]

i wouldnt really call it abuse

it doesnt matter much for the average player

[frozen hornet]

Scal has aimed projectiles?

[small timber]

at the very least most no-hitter "abuse" it I think (eg: you stand at a corner and gigablast just explode outside of the arena) during bullet hell

because if you are not doing it that attack is instead exploding at your current location

[eternal escarp]

it isnt really abuse since all it really does it make them explode sooner

if you stand near a corner without blocks they would still explode outside

its more so just

slightly preparing an arena for scal

[small timber]

ya this was what I was referring, if they just remove the block collision they can also delete aimed projectile

[eternal escarp]

(personally i dont think they should remove block collision)

[small timber]

and it will still do the same objective of making people unable to stand still without also leaving a "cheese" option still in

[eternal escarp]

feels like it would be a bit weird

personally i think SCal is fine as it is

[small timber]

I mean it will basically be the same as fighting scal in an open space

[ashen warren]

why the fuck would they do that lol

dw aboutthat

[eternal escarp]

because thats the theoretical situation we are discussing currently

[small timber]

I just think it is a bit weird that the optimal arena for scal is somehow not its own arena (in open space, like 90% of not underground boss) but inside a solid block of blocks

[eternal escarp]

personally i think its refreshing

not the average arena

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[fleet igloo]

Also I'm not sure how much just one herb bag would help

[worthy orchid]

i agree

i mean, its just random herb stuff and one wont do

ex. pre-boss summoners may need shiverthorns for the frost blossoms staff

and they'd probably have to do more hardwork w/o herb bags

[small timber]

^ , this exist therefore there is no need for boss to drop

[frozen hornet]

I wouldn't really consider harvesting wild herbs "hard work"

[small timber]

and it is super consistent, main planetoid is almost always directly above or left to the spawn

[cobalt pewter]

I don't really like how space lab has herb bags, but ig the majority likes it so /shrug

I'd rather have herb replanting be buffed in their natural habitat, growing faster and always yielding seeds there

or maybe make it a planter box feature if the plant and the box matches

idk

[fleet igloo]

This may be of interest

[cobalt pewter]

35% was definitely pretty harsh

25% is even pushing it to me

[cobalt heath]

18% sounds pretty good

[cobalt pewter]

@untold pagoda aside from rough values on the proposed changes (the DR and movespeed cut), the sugg seems fine

[untold pagoda]

yay

like genuinely its WAY too slow to be usable

[cobalt pewter]

get rid of the values on those parts then it's a fine sugg iirc

the devs will decide themselves on the values, the point is the idea

[untold pagoda]

aight

[cobalt pewter]

I haven't played 1.5 cal in a long while (2 MONTHS left!!!!!), but I can definitely tell 35% is way too big of a cut

[untold pagoda]

it really is

theres a grand total of two ways to move with it that isnt slower than a snal and thats going vertically and dashing

"disable profaned enemies spawns"

just use a zen potion

[potent veldt]

That's not the problem.

[untold pagoda]

when do you even spend a significant amount of time in the hallow or hell for that to be an issue anyway

[potent veldt]

If you're trying to fight any hallow or underworld enemy

[untold pagoda]

thats very cool but

why

[potent veldt]

Literally any of them, including Brimstone enemies that purposefully get buffed after Prov

[frozen hornet]

farming pixie dust for potions and you get chomped by a scorn eater

[untold pagoda]

profaned enemies dont spawn that much

[potent veldt]

Even logically, what is the point of buffing Brimstone enemies to drop bloodstone and stuff when at least half their enemy pool gets taken up by non-buffed profaned enemies

Yes, they do.

I'm suffering it right now.

[untold pagoda]

idk man im suffering from a shortage of profaned enemies

[potent veldt]

Again, most of this complaint is for after Providence.

[untold pagoda]

to the point its incredibly annoying

[potent veldt]

Before, it's fine - logically it makes sense, even

But after beating her, what's the point in them still being there

[untold pagoda]

unholy essence farm

[potent veldt]

I know, which is why it should be a toggle

Why limit either farms

It's not like this is a random or unfair suggestion either, because favorite items are basically used for this exact purpose already

Both the "No more Voodoo Dolls" and "Anihita Earmuffs" are for this exact purpose

[untold pagoda]

what would you even need from those biomes

[potent veldt]

Again, literally any drop from any of those enemies

[untold pagoda]

but WHY

[potent veldt]

???

What do you mean why?

[untold pagoda]

WHAT would you use them for

at that point

[potent veldt]

The biggest one, again, is bloodstone

A very blatantly after-providence resource

[untold pagoda]

fight brimstone elemental or smth

[cobalt heath]

if that gets annoying just do cal clone?

[untold pagoda]

bosses drop them for a reason yk

[frozen hornet]

Pixie dust crafts greater healing potions

[potent veldt]

^^^

[frozen hornet]

which you need to upgrade into supreme healing potions

[potent veldt]

I'm more confused on why you wouldn't let this be a thing

What's the harm in it?

[untold pagoda]

biome mimics smth smth

or just, bosses

any hm boss in fact

cause funny non consumable summons

[frozen hornet]

Yeah as an alternative

What if you don't want to fight bosses

[untold pagoda]

why though

[frozen hornet]

because you hate bosses

[untold pagoda]

lmao?

[west jackal]

I don’t wanna fight a boss I can shred in 2 seconds!

[untold pagoda]

ikr

[potent veldt]

I mean it's not just bloodstone

[untold pagoda]

so annoying!

[west jackal]

Also bloodstone is being moved to just ravager right?

[cobalt heath]

only other reason i would find to go to brim crags is for scal altar?

[untold pagoda]

maybe

not sure

[potent veldt]

Is it? If so, then I'll accept that

[untold pagoda]

its already obtainable from rav so like

just use that or smth

[cobalt heath]

and rav is going to only post provi anyways

[untold pagoda]

why grind enemies when bosses are much faster and efficient

[untold pagoda]

bless the devs

i hate that boss so much

i dont have to do it with shit mobility yeaaaaa

[cobalt heath]

i as a rogue will cry do

[untold pagoda]

me when

[cobalt heath]

no corvus adventor anymore 😭

[untold pagoda]

wave pounder

[untold pagoda]

people actually use that?

[cobalt heath]

yeah?

i love it

[untold pagoda]

or i guess rely on it

use subduction slicer lo

[cobalt heath]

though malachite do

[untold pagoda]

insanity damage

[cobalt heath]

i find subduction bad

its good but i dont like it

[untold pagoda]

thats fair

[cobalt heath]

i like em daggers

i like em claves

[untold pagoda]

stellar knives then

[cobalt heath]

i use em they sick

[untold pagoda]

stealth stellar knives my belove

[cobalt heath]

and empyrean knives (rip rogue variant do)

[untold pagoda]

smth smth melee doesnt deserve lifesteal

[cobalt heath]

melee already best class

but i mean empyrean fair for melee cause vampire knives meleee

[golden tulip]

reworking is better than removing

i see it as prehm -> hm
if you dont get new enemies you just get better gear without enemies that also get stronger accordingly

and then all you use it for is bosses

[small timber]

I will be honest a more intuitive (and natural) approach will just suggest profaned enemy to spawn rarer but drop their item in larger amount

[potent veldt]

That could also work

[small timber]

a lot of these enemy are way more powerful than other enemy on tier (in terms of moveset not necessarily stat) that they can easily become semi-mini boss

and the only thing annoying about them is when you have multiple of them constantly when you are trying to do anything, so just make them spawn rarer works very effectively

[potent veldt]

I mostly also feel that profaned enemies kind of just "take over" both biomes rather than adding to it

Like the plague enemies add to the jungle pretty well

As most of them are also jungle enemies

[small timber]

ya that too, eventhough you dont really need those materials but ya they overried a bit too much

jungle have plague, but most normal enemy still spawn (with few exception like hornet(?) and moth)

[potent veldt]

Yeye

It's still the jungle

Where Profaned enemies kind of muddy what the "underworld" and "hallow" is

[solar pagoda]

why the chaos candle cant be turned off

like the candles from vanilla

[frail mantle]

profaned biome (trademarked) might fix profaned enemies hogging up underworld/hallow spawns

(i say "might" because i don't actually know any details about the biome beyond it being planned)

[golden tulip]

your suggestion will 9 times out of 10 already be planned but we dont know when but its planned sometime in the next 3 years (pin this)

[potent veldt]

Ooo, a whole biome?

[cobalt heath]

oh god the sniper scope is getting voted

[eternal escarp]

itd likely be rejected, i fail to believe 2% crit chance is such a massive deal for anyone

[fossil finch]

Would be funnier if it was accepted but not discussed dev side and just never implemented

[eternal escarp]

so true

[cobalt heath]

But i totally see it getting In only to get voted against the next day😂

[tardy geyser]

if its really easy to implement then i see no reason to not do that. if it isnt then get used to the zoom effect or swap it out for destroyer emblem

[deft yew]

if it gets annoying while managing chests or npcs

just swap off of your gun

[tardy geyser]

yep

its mostly an issue with guns that have right clicks

but even then its not that bad imo

[deft yew]

that being not many

[eternal escarp]

the funny thing is

people can just use Destroyer emblem and not have any downside

Sniper Scopes main premise is the right click

[hollow idol]

stacking 😰

[eternal escarp]

copenhagen

2% crit chance is too much to loose..

besides the bigger issue i had isnt the sugg but more so the objective way they present it

which makes me doubt itd pass byeah

[sleek wadi]

Looking at the sugg, the reasoning is a bit bruh but I see no harm in turning it into a toggle.

[eternal escarp]

to me it feels like asking for Ornate Shield to have a toggle to not be a dash

yeah sure it gives like 4 defense
but the accesory is litteraly a dash accesory

same with Sniper Scope

okay it gives a bonus 2%
but its a sniper scope, if you dont want it you can stay with the Destroyer Emblem

[sleek wadi]

Okay but why is it having a toggle a bad thing?

[deft yew]

Vanity toggle would be cool and all but unnecessary

[sleek wadi]

No harm it adding it, telling people to just stick with destroyer emblem feels wrong.

In the situation that you don't want to use the scope effect, sniper scope can end up as a downgrade if not in combat then simply in just being annoying

[fossil finch]

toggles for stuff like this are like meh

me after toggling one of the item's main functionality because ???? instead of using any other options available

[sleek wadi]

But whats the harm in adding it?

[fossil finch]

hote situation kind of, though that one had the stat buffs which made it weird

[sleek wadi]

It does no harm and ensures that sniper scope is always an upgrade no matter the player

[fossil finch]

there's no "harm" in adding tons of things: doesn't really mean they should be added

[golden tulip]

"because why not" is a bad reason for anything, general rule of thumb

*most things, sometimes its funny

but not in this case

[sleek wadi]

Its not like an option to disable these kind of gameplay features is inconsistent, ball and chain exists to disable dashes so that you can still get all the stat benefits of shields

[fossil finch]

ball and chain's purpose is not really that

[sleek wadi]

Is that not what it is though? Ball and chain is just a dash disabler, what else would it do?

[fossil finch]

it's quite a, uh, non working fix to the good ol' thing of dashes overlapping and messing up vanity with the previous toggles for dashes

[golden tulip]

i use it to disable dashes

[deft yew]

if it gets annoying while managing chests or npcs
just swap off your gun

[fossil finch]

people tend to use it solely for challenge at this point: because all dash items have not very good stats compared ot other available options, they're valuable because of the dash

[fossil finch]

in general, even then ball and chain doesn't even do this right because it disables all dashes

and nobody plays dashless ever iirc

[sleek wadi]

You'd want to go dashless for Scal if you're fighting her first rather than exos

[fossil finch]

you don't

[deft yew]

which is just Terraria movement’s fault ngl

[fossil finch]

i don't ever see why you would

[deft yew]

You cannot turn around to save your LIFE without a dash because base acceleration is garbage

[fossil finch]

people just need to get good and stop miss double tapping 🙄

[deft yew]

true

[golden tulip]

the more i play terraria the more i fucking hate double tap dashing

[fossil finch]

i mean hooks exist but yeah

i am good and barely ever missdash so i can't really relate to your situations

[deft yew]

The more I play Hollow Knight the more I hate Terraria

[sleek wadi]

Or we can have the toggle and not let the possibility come up.

[golden tulip]

woops

[fossil finch]

it is in no way directly related to the fact my game runs at 20 fps therefore inputs have absolutely way larger delays between them

[deft yew]

:GUH:

[golden tulip]

uuh yes i am bad

[fossil finch]

in any case that's not for the stats the acc provides, but rather because of the specific boss design

different situations, i'd say

[sleek wadi]

Does sniper scope upgrade into anything btw? I don't know enough about ranger to say if it does

[fossil finch]

it doesn't which is actually weird

elemental quiver is well, a quiver upgrade and it didn't implement scope on it back then

[unborn siren]

it feels like DSO could include scope because it goes well with Sniper rifle type weapons

[fossil finch]

now there's no chance at all it will be implemented to it considering they already dislike the end-tier of class accs as they are

dso could but the donor didn't ask for it so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unborn siren]

they did say this

[fossil finch]

someone could sugg it then

[novel belfry]

Make the Fearmonger Armor a pure Summoner armor

Almost all Calamity armor sets that are upgrades to Vanilla sets typically do not change classes from their base armor sets, or turn them into broader armor sets... aside from the "all-class" Fearmonger Armor, which upgrades from the summoner-based Spooky Armor.
I am not sure why this inconsistency is a thing, but perhaps a bigger problem with this is balancing, as the Fearmonger Armor set has been nerfed severely due to providing too great of a summon damage and minion slot boost for a tanky armor set, which is only exacerbated by the fact that, given this is an all class armor set, the stats simply do not give enough boosts for the armor set to be worth running instead of the Silva armor.
By making Fearmonger Armor a pure summoner armor, perhaps its stats can be focused more on being a tanky summoner set, and overall become a more balanced armor set worth running as an alternative for summoners.

[fossil finch]

you're not providing a reason at all for why this should be done?

"inconsistency"- yeah i guess but who cares?

what i would like though is for calamity's all class armors to stop pretending stealth, mana and summon slots aren't important

[novel belfry]

its an incomplete sugg

[fossil finch]

what

[novel belfry]

now it should be more complete

actually let me check the current stats of the armor set

[fossil finch]

i find a problem with your stat reason: you say it is not worth running compared to silva, but that is from a summoner's standpoint, the armor is meant to be all-class

in any case, i still fail to see why make it summoner only instead of, for example, buffing it to be more competent as all-class

[novel belfry]

really my main reason was balancing purposes + spooky armor upgrade

[fossil finch]

balancing purposes aren't really a thing?

it can be balanced properly without it being summoner only

[novel belfry]

Perhaps

actually let me rewrite this

[unborn siren]

have fearmonger turned into a pure summoner glass cannon set to be more like spooky

[fossil finch]

fearmonger is also somewhat supposed to be like omega blue, though they parallel in main functionality

[unborn siren]

one of them is a glass cannon set and the other is a tanky set

[fossil finch]

armor variation is always nice, but i think it'd be weird if summoner just got two at the same stage for no reason (the problem being that other classes don't get anything)

yes

and both are all class

[novel belfry]

i just personally find it odd that a single class armor set turns into a all-class one

[fossil finch]

i don't because it's a very off-tier upgrade and is mostly thematic than anything

with spider and fathom a complaint like it would be somewhat reasonable because it feels like you're supposed to upgrade your armor and roll along with said upgrade, fearmonger is very far away from spooky so it isn't like your sudden upgrade is taking away the point of the armor

[crude geode]

it's still really weird that the upgrade to spooky is all class.

[grim tusk]

It is worth running over silva
But most people just want damage lol

Fearmonger makes you thicc

At the cost of dmg

[novel belfry]

i'd just rather have it be a thicc summoner set and not a thicc all class

[grim tusk]

Too bad

[unborn siren]

Silva revive is also good for survivability

[lucid flare]

i feel like whoever made this providence star suggestion forgot that it's gonna become a normal attack in 1.5.1

[frozen hornet]

The point of the sugg is to prevent the beam attack from happening while there are still stars present, the damage doesn't change that the beam still happens while the stars are there

[lucid flare]

me when i can't read

but it is going to become more bearable that's 4 sure

[golden tulip]

seems like the issue is the sound being loud

just tone down the volume

[cobalt pewter]

compared Deus' hitsound to Scal's

and Deus' is definitely way sharper

and both are on max volume

[golden tulip]

but its about aureus

[cobalt pewter]

wait

man

[golden tulip]

seems like astrum bosses just dont like sfx

[cobalt pewter]

oh nope yea

oreos' is loud

compared to scal

same volume

[golden tulip]

might want to just rename the suggestion to "lower the astral bosses' hit sfx volume"

[cobalt pewter]

oreos is loud and deus is sharp

[carmine gull]

swap aureus' and deus' damage sound

aureus is supposed to be a robot

but deus gets the metal damage sound

[golden tulip]

yeah because he has armor

or something

its metal too

[carmine gull]

just make aureus' sound more metal I guess

[cobalt pewter]

I think it's just their defense mechanism so that you'll feel like shit after listening to their annoying hitsounds

[golden tulip]

it's effective!

[fossil finch]

lo

Deus is probably not going to be metallic in the future so like

[muted vale]

hes not?

[frail mantle]

can confirm

he isn't gonna be metallic

[golden tulip]

wdym isnt gonna be

theres plans for deus?

[frail mantle]

yes

[golden tulip]

huh

cool

[frail mantle]

in fact i'm looking at his concept art right now

and he is not, in fact, metallic

[golden tulip]

poggers

is it a big change

[fossil finch]

Yeah a concept is already known as iban said it was done after all the dog stuff came up

[golden tulip]

like current dog -> future dog?

[fossil finch]

Probably

[frail mantle]

it's definitely noticeable

not gonna go into specifics obviously but the redesign is very cool

[fossil finch]

(Concept's not iban's blah blah check resprite doc

[golden tulip]

cool

[unique vector]

its rune’s i think (?)

[golden tulip]

when the lategame worm isnt metallic (this is the first occurrence of such an event)

sepulcher doesnt count shut up

[frail mantle]

rune's yeah

no

[golden tulip]

no thats why hes not going into specifics

[frail mantle]

it was posted in tester channels a month or so back

[small timber]

isnt there still a more publicized version for reference?

in main cal talk

[frail mantle]

deus concept art, you mean?

no

[small timber]

oh deus not dog

[safe oasis]

is this even a calamity feature

or is this a weaponout issue

(this is in regards to the most recent post in posting)

[fossil finch]

this

this isn't

this is literally just the size of the blade anyway

[gray nebula]

weaponsout issue

[eternal escarp]

@maiden zodiac

yeah the issue is not calamity's

should suggest that to Weaponout devs instead (assuming they are reachable for suggestions)

[gray nebula]

wish weaponsout has like any form of mod compat features or something but no you can't even customise the way specific weapons display

[golden tulip]

comically sized scissors

[unique vector]

get exclamation’ed

[eternal escarp]

i like that the edited the sugg which kindof makes me think they ignored this channel

[fossil finch]

Some swords are perfect.

Amazing

[maiden zodiac]

the swords of other mods are in normal size

[eternal escarp]

the reason is Calamity's sprites

still not something calamity is at (logical) fault for

and not something calamity can edit

[eternal escarp]

as also stated here

[fossil finch]

Also calamity increments the size of some melee weapons for the sake of usability

[grave zinc]

@untold pagoda - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Ursa Sergeant actually worth using]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[grim tusk]

Ursa buff was in this patch

[untold pagoda]

wha

[grim tusk]

We forgor to flag it before

[untold pagoda]

wait it was?

[grim tusk]

Now its 15% reduced speed

Instead of 35%

[untold pagoda]

BRUH

thats epic

[grim tusk]

I suggested it on dev way before this sugg lol

[untold pagoda]

lo

[cobalt pewter]

lol

[golden tulip]

where was that suggestion that wanted toggleable tooltips or something this update makes it an even better idea

bb and ark line, gem tech armor

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-voting message

[golden tulip]

mobile pisscord doesnt like message links

[cobalt pewter]

indeed

[golden tulip]

did anything happen to the sugg or

[cobalt pewter]

no

[golden tulip]

[cobalt pewter]

pisscord is just

yea

[golden tulip]

sad

[cobalt pewter]

byeah, the sugg is still there

👍 or smth

[golden tulip]

it wont be sent to the dev server anymore though right

[cobalt pewter]

it's already approved, so don't think so

[golden tulip]

oh it got approved

[cobalt pewter]

yeah, hence the thumb

[golden tulip]

i asked- nvm

byea great

[cobalt pewter]

lmao

[austere cargo]

It's strange that the sky draedon lab has all planter boxes except blinkroot

[drowsy plank]

literally was fixed this update, change 21; https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/369115362186231809/920353852321054800

[grave zinc]

@sonic sigil - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Aero Dynamite to Skynamite]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[frozen hornet]

this is incredibly funny

[distant gyro]

can't believe merk fell into the objectively worse name

[frozen hornet]

It would've been better had there not been a space in the middle

[unique vector]

[grave zinc]

@stable musk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Lunar Pickaxe tooltip more clear]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[sonic sigil]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO YEAHHHHH BABYYYYYYY

[stable musk]

yay

[muted vale]

cool

[golden tulip]

malice tooltip when it is changed for the 12th time

[small timber]

just wait for 5 more big patch until malice is ported like arma and defiled ya but I think the current need change, it dont do enough to deter player

Especially that most of the new death mode changes make the bosses easier

[crude geode]

Isn't the oldest suggestion more a problem of the volume of the sound compared to the actual sound itself?

[ashen warren]

prolly

but the sound itself is pretty annoying

[drowsy plank]

i mean that's subjective, i find it fine, but we could probably have it turned down