suggestions-discussion

[golden tulip]

the lunger

[fossil finch]

it is

[eternal escarp]

its decent i think

[fossil finch]

it's extremely funny

[eternal escarp]

its certainly interesting

[fossil finch]

who cares about viability it's funny

[eternal escarp]

TRUE

[fleet igloo]

I could just remove that part if you want?

[eternal escarp]

yeah i think you should since its

[golden tulip]

its funny but when i tried it it sucked

[eternal escarp]

objectively not very correct

[fleet igloo]

Though I think making Mutated Truffle better shouldn't hurt right

[fossil finch]

also gauntlet is not an od drop anyway

[golden tulip]

oh

its not

lol

[fossil finch]

its a nuclear terror drop

probably designed to be used on od

[eternal escarp]

the main core of the sugg is correct
but the statement about OD's other drops being udnerwhelming isnt

[crude geode]

Personally I think making one of the only class specific accessories in post ml all class is really cringe

[eternal escarp]

thats something i think you should remove because its pretty much just false

[eternal escarp]

Dynamo Cells is technically ranger only

byeah

their sugg is more so just reworking it, i dont think it means "specifically make it all-class"

[gray nebula]

dyneez

[eternal escarp]

15% movement speed

[crude geode]

[eternal escarp]

i mean thats just examples

[fossil finch]

crying

[eternal escarp]

thats just 14 💀

oh wait Stem Cells is 10%

[fleet igloo]

Technically it is make it not just summoner

[gray nebula]

I mean the reasoning isj ust flawed from the start because from what weve seen here the general consensus seems to be "who cares about guaranteed drops"

[eternal escarp]

nvm stem cells stupid youre right

[eternal escarp]

h

[crude geode]

You’re pretty much the only person who thought that it wasn’t that blast lol

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[crude geode]

Byeah what Iban said is also true

[fleet igloo]

Hmm

Right

So what now

[eternal escarp]

people use Yharim's Gift because hahah stat stick

and Nebulous because they want their revive back

so

lol!

[fleet igloo]

I'm not against the idea of class specific accessories, just don't want it to be from Old Duke

[fossil finch]

community (real

[fossil finch]

you're gatekeeping od from class specific accs

i'm going to cancel you

poor od

[fleet igloo]

nooo

[gray nebula]

gaslight girlboss

[eternal escarp]

i mean theres no issue with

OD keeping a class specific accessory

he has an all class accessory already

[small timber]

speaking of non-class specific

is reaver armor that forgettable that it just dont even get voted

[eternal escarp]

reaver? forgettable?

lmao

[crude geode]

Imagine interrupting a convo like that

[small timber]

I mean the scuffed mining armor reaver exploration one

[eternal escarp]

that specific helmet, yes

ig

maybe

[fleet igloo]

me making the sugg as if I ever fought od at all

[eternal escarp]

[fleet igloo]

Sorry about causing the argument

I'll try figuring out what to do with it

[golden tulip]

youre not gonna tell me youve never fought OD

[fleet igloo]

yes actually

[golden tulip]

all of this and you have never even fought the boss you are criticizing

[fleet igloo]

The sugg was made based on looking at the drops on the wiki

[crude geode]

[fleet igloo]

I'm not criticising the content of the fight, but the aftermath so uh

[cobalt pewter]

incredible

[frozen hornet]

kinda funny

[golden tulip]

youve never used its drops either then

which you are criticizing

[crude geode]

^^^^

[golden tulip]

holy shit

[fleet igloo]

The reasoning for that one is the "guaranteed drops" part

[crude geode]

I can actively criticize vitriolic viper cuz it’s really lazy and just kinda boring tbfh

[fleet igloo]

And looking up some things in this server I guess

[eternal escarp]

atleast its actually good

byeah uhhh

at this point we should maybe add some
big label somewhere

"dont suggest about things you dont fully know / experienced"
it do be happening a bit

[gray nebula]

just don't fixate on guaranteed drops

gg ez

its that simple

[crude geode]

Very true

[frozen hornet]

God that image

[fleet igloo]

I'm not defending the point with that message, just explaining how I got there

[eternal escarp]

that will affect his good tennis arm!

[gray nebula]

yeah

[eternal escarp]

id say in the Don'ts but god no-one reads it

[fossil finch]

thats the mage drop right

[eternal escarp]

yes

[crude geode]

Ye

[fossil finch]

atpixl

[eternal escarp]

its pretty much Parasitic Scepter but upgraded i think

which fits

[crude geode]

Kinda

[eternal escarp]

since Parasitic Scepter is a T1 mage weapon

[fleet igloo]

Technically that one isn't something I haven't experienced/don't know about?

[gray nebula]

Too Bad i am Biased agaisnt old dukem nukem drops and Will not rework it...

[eternal escarp]

wtf.....

i mean they arent that bad but,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[fossil finch]

crying

[gray nebula]

funny gauntlet is funnier

[crude geode]

mfw generic shotgun projectile mage staff

[eternal escarp]

the only poopoo one is Cadaverous iirc

viability wise

[crude geode]

Mage probably has more shotguns than Ranger

[fleet igloo]

So do I want to delete the sugg or

[eternal escarp]

you can just rewrite it later

but uh

seeing as you dont exactly know much of the sorrounding things for the sugg

maybe youd want to keep it for a later date

[fleet igloo]

Hmm alright

[cobalt pewter]

Gauntlet is unironically the least cringe od drop iirc

[eternal escarp]

its not OD drop

[gray nebula]

because its not an od drop

[eternal escarp]

lmao!

[gray nebula]

[cobalt pewter]

bruh

[eternal escarp]

Nuclear Terror drop

[gray nebula]

Sweet Beloved Nuclear Terror

[cobalt pewter]

okay all od drops is cringe then

rework em

[fleet igloo]

eh I was away in the middle of that

[eternal escarp]

anyways make more Phosphorescent Gauntlet weapons instead of the current mandible weapons iirc my sugg didnt pass i posted it on a really bad timing for stars.......

[crude geode]

The problem is that you then devalue those weapons via the quantity of them

[eternal escarp]

i mean

[cobalt pewter]

solution: purge weapons

only 1 weapon per boss

[crude geode]

Trueeeee

[eternal escarp]

my sugg was just changing like, 3~ weapons to the same gimmick

[cobalt pewter]

it'd be funny

[small timber]

it would become the biome blade situation (but backward), where biome blade could had been cool if it is like 1 weapon but instead it is entire arsenal of shitty projectile sword

[eternal escarp]

Mandible Claws, Mycelial Claws, Mantis Claws as examples
because got Fetid bandgahsnasdasksd are STOOPID weapon design its just broadsword but small

[cobalt pewter]

relic of old past

should be purged

[eternal escarp]

having like 4 of the same type in the sea of many melee weapons isnt exactly devaluing imo

like if i had said "add one every 2 tiers" yeah id agree

[cobalt pewter]

fetid fad dies with terramain's braincells

(which is effective immediately)

[crude geode]

Mandible and mycelial are mainly dumb cuz they’re like

Within 5 feet of each other progression wise

[cobalt pewter]

fetid variants don't add anything onto an already existing concept

[eternal escarp]

well yeah but those are the only 3 calamity weapons that work like fetid which SUCK and can become gauntlets which are EPIC

so i just said fuck it and referenced those 2 in the sugg

yeah lmao

funniest shit

[cobalt pewter]

if Mycelial yeets shrooms after some time of continuous use, it'd be at least interesting

but no

let's just make carbon copies of fetid

[eternal escarp]

"explodes on hit"

explosion is purely visible

[crude geode]

I love subjective arguments

[eternal escarp]

i mean

lets be honest

[cobalt pewter]

carbon copies should perish

[crude geode]

Byeah carbon copies are indeed boring

[eternal escarp]

fetid copis is litterally just broadsword but small

you cant tell me anyone would think gauntlet isnt cooler then claws

[cobalt pewter]

which brings us back to broadsword purge 🚎

[eternal escarp]

and if they do their opinion is WRONG i dont LIKE opinions...

byeah

atleast 2 of the 4 Main Melee Lines™️ are becoming

complex and interesting

and people might actually switch to use some of the variety melee possess

[crude geode]

Melee possesses variety?

[eternal escarp]

i mean

the variety that
Isnt basic broadsword

[fossil finch]

Ok solution

[eternal escarp]

it exists its just rather small

[cobalt pewter]

blast lemme get you to bed, you're clearly late for your meds

[fossil finch]

Crab's version becomes a gauntlet

[eternal escarp]

and heavily overlooked because of the Main 4

[fossil finch]

Poopoo desert version remains as is

Mantis claw becomes a fucking spear

[eternal escarp]

okay yeah funny melee boring
it still has some non boring weapons every now and then

[fossil finch]

Because i said so

[eternal escarp]

flails, yoyos, javelins like Bonebreaker etc

its not all broadswords, just 70% of it

[cobalt pewter]

Bonebreaker has always been an enigma

[fossil finch]

Mfs seeing bb next update

[eternal escarp]

yeah its rogue in theory
but its still variety

[fleet igloo]

So to confirm, the consensus here is that Old Duke rewards are good enough as is?

[eternal escarp]

most of them, yes

[fleet igloo]

Alright

[eternal escarp]

BB and its upgrades becoming complex will drive many people to actually

USE

more weapons from melee

because i dont really see many people ever switch off from the usual weapons

[crude geode]

you say this knowing full well it won’t

[eternal escarp]

(a man can hope )

[crude geode]

It’s just gonna lead them to complain about change in a constantly upgrading mod

[fossil finch]

Iban made a baby mode that was as boring as possible so people would cry horribly

They're not gonna complain

It's 2022 terraria modding community

[eternal escarp]

i hope its actually complex enough that itd suck in casuals and people will actually, use more of the weapons melee offers

[fossil finch]

If your weapon has prim trails and quirky anims it's automatically better

[eternal escarp]

80% of the time i see either BB line, Ark line, Caustic line and Pwnge line being used and very little of anything else

which is kinda sad melee does have some nice weapons
like, North Pole (projectile spam)
Tumbleweed (cool flail)
Yoyos are nice yeah

[small timber]

yoyo is even more dead after the yoyobag nerf

[crude geode]

I love giving up one of my accessory slots to use a weapon type

[small timber]

not dead-dead, but there is not much reason to use yoyo over a boring projectile broadsword

[fossil finch]

Too quick jumping at the "people mald" bandwagon when it will most likely mostly be "wow i can't believe this is so cool!!!!!!!! Calamity best mod!!!!!

Wrong reply

[cobalt pewter]

dum

[fossil finch]

Yes

[crude geode]

Vocal minorities be quirky like that

[eternal escarp]

(what was the intended reply

[unique vector]

death

[eternal escarp]

a

[eternal escarp]

true the intended reply should be death i agree

[crude geode]

Make vitriolic viper not generic shotgun mage please

[distant gyro]

soontm

[frozen hornet]

Make it like apoth

Exo mech drops are awesome except rotor

[golden tulip]

they nearly all suck

lmao

well maybe they dont suck but theyre boring

[frozen hornet]

You're boring smh....

ripper, jailor, driver, splitter, and spine are all awesome

they don't do very well but still

[golden tulip]

they are boring for endgame weapons

only not jailor

[small timber]

for ultra epic fancy endgame you have shadowspec weapon

why do exo mechs weapon need to be excessively epic

[golden tulip]

what kind of argument is that

because theyre also endgame?

so you can only get fancy weapons post game? lmao

[frozen hornet]

I mean scal drops aren't all that much better

[golden tulip]

correct

[small timber]

because exo mechs weapon is unique enough, not everything have to have 10 different visual effects are colours to be considered epic

[frozen hornet]

You have craftable exos and exhumeds for the awesome shit

[golden tulip]

exhumeds are cool

[frozen hornet]

Atom splitter is fully usable sm

[golden tulip]

the rest are all left click braindead weapons except for, like i said, jailor

[frozen hornet]

What

[crude geode]

Can y’all take this elsewhere

[golden tulip]

fair

[frozen hornet]

mmmmmmmmmm

[crude geode]

Thx

[eternal escarp]

tbf most of SCals weapons are excessively epic and or interesting

[frozen hornet]

okay can I sugg to rework the refraction rotor

[crude geode]

Why

[frozen hornet]

because it's the only one I'd consider to be actually boring

Not even visually interesting

[eternal escarp]

Violence is fine
Condemnation is cool
Perdition i think is kinda epic
Heresy is interesting
Vigilance is the normal summon one but its not too bad

Sacrifice i have never seen so i wont comment on it

[frozen hornet]

Sacrifice is alright

Didn't find it all that good

[eternal escarp]

all i know is its regarded as bad viability wise

[frozen hornet]

It has the lifesteal going for it

[crude geode]

Going back to this

[frozen hornet]

hrgrg I was literally asking if I could suggest it

But fine

[golden tulip]

i guess you are my little pogchamp

[unique vector]

suggest what exactly

[golden tulip]

.

[unique vector]

i mean go ahead?

nothing is stopping you!

[golden tulip]

@frozen hornet your cue

[frozen hornet]

Incredible

I will pull it up from the depths of ideas-hell

Actually I'll post it tomorrow when it's not 1 am

[golden tulip]

feels more like it fits in 1.4

with npc and specific biome stuff

[cobalt heath]

yeah but someone said i could put it now

[eternal escarp]

it can still be done now yeah

[golden tulip]

i suppose so lol

[cobalt heath]

ill prolly change it so that they could post-pone the idea to 1.4

tmod

[golden tulip]

you could mention it

[eternal escarp]

i mean

itd work as normal dialogue

[unique vector]

if it had to be postponed prolly don’t suggest it

[eternal escarp]

so im not sure if 1.4 requires that

[unique vector]

i also dont see how it needs 1.4 yea

[cobalt heath]

it doesnt certainly have to be

eh, its a fine idea imo

us lore readers like new lore almost always

[golden tulip]

cool

[distant gyro]

"Mrrp is cringe." - SCal

most important lore there is

[cobalt heath]

i see scal actually doing that

lmao

[distant gyro]

that is what happens when the sprite and code gets finished before the dialogue

mrrp gets made fun of

[cobalt heath]

im hoping that xeroc when he comes out is just talking straight up to the player like there is no 4th wall

we shall see

[lucid flare]

and then the drunk princess just references walmart and spamton 🗿

[cobalt heath]

well fabsol npc is a weird one

[gray nebula]

I don't get what this is trying to say. Is this hoping that it's complex and cool and so that it makes more people want to use it? But then the "making people use more melee weapons" doesnt make sense. But i don't see how "suck in people" can mean "drive away people"

weh

And if this is hoping i accidentally designed a weapon that was so complex no casual would want to use it well GRRR thas rude.. i design my weapons specifically with cashuals in mind

[crude geode]

Every single calamity player is a casual

No exceptions

[golden tulip]

i interpreted it as "i hope people will think melee weapons are cool after trying out this weapon line and explore melee more because people now think melee is cool"

it makes less sense now that im trying to explain it

[gray nebula]

oh no it does make sense kinda

altho its not like melee rly needs the popularity boost

[eternal escarp]

its a bit of both

1. yeah that melee weapons as a whole can be and are interesting in some cases

[golden tulip]

when the prehardmode melee class has more weapons than the entirety of summoner

or something

[eternal escarp]

2. maybe the complexity could drive people away to not use the same weapon line in every playthrough as it currently is afaik

so not every melee playthrough is just
biome blade, caustic edge, ark

[golden tulip]

meta slaves

[gray nebula]

no everyone will want to use the same weapon line because it sso awesome

.

next up: reworking caustic edge line

other items get reworked eventually dw

[golden tulip]

blast is just waiting for his gauntlet transformations

[eternal escarp]

i mean that would also be cool but i do see some people maybe going to use one of the many other weapons melee has since they might not understand the weapon in theory

its a weird wacky thought but

yeah

[golden tulip]

is it going to be that complex

[eternal escarp]

idk but it sounds like itd be atleast slightly big brain

[golden tulip]

well iban sets high bars

[eternal escarp]

(atleast from the death threats dom has shown about the complexity of it i think

[cobalt heath]

sounding big brain and being big brain are very different things

[gray nebula]

no because the other weapon are boring

why would i want to use projectile melee #40493

[eternal escarp]

not all of melee is proj broadsword
only about 85% of it

byeah

[gray nebula]

excerpt from a testing report on the rework

[eternal escarp]

[gray nebula]

Can you "spend a little bit BLJ-ing" with your other projectile melee swords???

[eternal escarp]

true, you provide a very valid point

[golden tulip]

a little bit of what

[eternal escarp]

backwords long jump

funny super mario 64 thingy

[golden tulip]

ic

[eternal escarp]

atleast i think thats the

origin of the term

[cobalt heath]

i have to say being visually appealing is a good way to get people using a weapon

thats why the ark line is so loved, power and awesome visuals

[eternal escarp]

if visuals was more decisive people would use Spine of Thanatos on SCal instead

viability plays a rather larger part id say

[cobalt heath]

and people woundt try to true melee exo mechs if murasama was boring

[eternal escarp]

but

people already did

find a way to true melee exo mechs

[gray nebula]

ark line has ZERO cool visuals

[eternal escarp]

SO TRUE

[gray nebula]

up ur standards

[crude geode]

So true

[eternal escarp]

i didnt want to be rude but i SO agree

i just find it boring proj spam

[cobalt heath]

man shit ton of colors and star sounds are good visuals to me

[eternal escarp]

and Ark of the Cosmos is proj spam with braindead homing

with uh
100 effects that you will likely never notice

[crude geode]

Ark of the cosmos being so braindead is 99% of why people use it

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[gray nebula]

shit ton of colors and stars are.. ZOring (zoingus

[eternal escarp]

its strong + heavily homes

[cobalt heath]

and then we have a convo to talk about melee being manaless mage

[gray nebula]

nah

[eternal escarp]

depends

[golden tulip]

my endgame weapon has homing projectiles (you cannot guess what weapon it is)

[cobalt heath]

scarlet?

[eternal escarp]

the joke is like

[cobalt heath]

vivid clarity

[eternal escarp]

70% of endgame weapons have homing

[cobalt heath]

?

[eternal escarp]

in some shape or form

[gray nebula]

i mean thas fine

[eternal escarp]

its fine, yeah

[cobalt heath]

endgame enemies are hard to dodge so autoaim to easen that

[eternal escarp]

just that specifically in arkotcosmos is boring imo

Exo Mechs are super easy to aim

SCal isnt too bad

BR is a point but
Lmao thats just 40 bosses in a row

obviously aiming there wont be as easy with the varying boss speeds

[cobalt heath]

iban can you give a teaser about the new auric tier rogue weapon if thats being worked on

[golden tulip]

he can

[crude geode]

Ark of the cosmos having both homing and “projectiles on cursor” is what makes it especially braindead

[eternal escarp]

i predict a "yes but i wont"

[distant gyro]

there is more than one

[crude geode]

I remember when rover made a sugg about it

[golden tulip]

this is enough already lmao

[cobalt heath]

keh??

[eternal escarp]

this does remind me

is supernova rework still planned
because it sounded really cool iirc

[distant gyro]

and one of them is a reference to undertabl

[eternal escarp]

ohno

[gray nebula]

UNDERTALE??

[crude geode]

Big if true

[eternal escarp]

the tale of under????

[golden tulip]

is it called sans

[gray nebula]

can you tell me what the supernova rework was?

[distant gyro]

big if tru

[eternal escarp]

snas!!!!

[distant gyro]

homing nuke thing

[cobalt heath]

thanks altix

[eternal escarp]

the convo was in drae chat so

but yeah what altix said

[crude geode]

big if tr

[gray nebula]

damn

[distant gyro]

idk ozz had some funny ideas

[eternal escarp]

deploy nuke, takes a bit to boot up and nuke iirc

[gray nebula]

imagine not having access to DUT

couldn't be me

[eternal escarp]

[cobalt heath]

im a rogue fan boy its like cocaine to me

hearing about new rogue things

[gray nebula]

CAve Story

[eternal escarp]

story of the cavern

[crude geode]

Can we move the chat now btw now that we’re offtopic

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah

[gray nebula]

i was gonna complain abt the lack of cs references in calamity but i remembered theres that one astral item that bears the mark of the northen star

[unique vector]

ozz has a supernova rework planned somehwere

[gray nebula]

2 cs references next patch

[unique vector]

i think

[eternal escarp]

yeah ozz was the one to reveal the supernova idea in drae chat so makes sense

byeah very cool 👍

[cobalt heath]

the lack off update channel hype shows we have no place to talk about new weapons etc without being annoying

it kinda has turned into that hasnt it?

[crude geode]

#lore-discussion more like

dead chat

[cobalt heath]

dead chat until yharim speculation

[fossil finch]

What a thing in this tryharim times

[fleet igloo]

At the risk of restarting the whole thing, can I bring up the thing I talked about yesterday

I won't post the sugg, just want to get some ideas

1. Is Mutated Truffle good
2. Would it be better if it did things outside of just the summon itself

[crude geode]

Use it and find out

[ruby plover]

i've never used it, but based on when you'd get it, considering it's slow and doesn't fire any projectiles, it sounds terrible for DoG

which is the boss it would be used on, likely

it might be good on the cosmic guardians tho. would recommend trying it out tho lol

[grim tusk]

Its decent but problem is
There is no reason at all to use it over profaned soul artifact

Possibly even HotE in some rare cases (but people just keep this on cuz waifus)

[cobalt pewter]

both are summoner oriented accs, while truffle is in an odd spot

personally I'd rather see it be summoner oriented as well as I fail to see the appeal in an acc that has multiple stuff to cater to all classes

[muted osprey]

simply make it a mount :tro

[fleet igloo]

I'll probably wait until I actually get to try it

yes I made the sugg with incomplete context

When I asked around in the afternoon people were fine with it, but in the evening it was much less liked

Either way I'm dropping it for now

[small timber]

I mean you really just have to make the suggestion "mutated truffle is bad please make it better" than going through all the hassle of "old duke has no good drop" thing (that spiral into all that convo yesterday)

For stats you probably just have to test comparison of performance with the above mentioned two (Profaned Soul Artifact and Heart of the Elements) and probably is good enough

[fleet igloo]

I'll take note of that

But it'll be a long time before I actually get to that point

For one I'm in the middle of exams, which last until the end of the month (which is also what that edgy countdown in my profile is for)

[grave zinc]

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[unique vector]

as always, feel free to ask questions!

[cobalt heath]

Yay My idea got sent

[grave zinc]

@cursive briar - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give slower summoner weapons more agile/offensively capable AI]

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[violet dagger]

its that time of week again

oh wait that was all

[unique vector]

bot actually got the proper sugg count

hooray bot

[cobalt heath]

upgrades people upgrades

[golden tulip]

no sniper unscope

jaja

[eternal escarp]

jaja

[frozen hornet]

The sugg's only 3 days old smh

[golden tulip]

just stop talking in #suggestions-posting

ofcourse its those 2 dudes again

[ashen warren]

📸

[golden tulip]

@sturdy torrent boss suggestions dont get in

9/10 times

actually that is the dumbest thing ive said in a while

[sturdy torrent]

Damn

[golden tulip]

yea nah ignore me

[sturdy torrent]

Ok sans undertale

[golden tulip]

i said that but there have been plenty of boss suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

• sugg is a tad too specific on the 3rd paragraph (2nd?)
• albeit not a don't, boss AI suggestions are WAY less likely to get through compared to other suggs

[golden tulip]

thats what i thought but then i thought of the old duke attack suggestions then i was like, ah fuck it others do it too

[cobalt pewter]

you can still sugg it, those suggs will function normally, they'll just have way less chances to be approved unless you can convince Fab with it

(and you'd be better off no life-ing in vc anyways, be a good boy)

[golden tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-talking-talking-to-self-alone-lonely-gif-5869985

convincing fabsol of boss changes

[sturdy torrent]

True

[frozen hornet]

How is golem being the 3rd final HM boss an issue

[fossil finch]

It's also not

Pbg n rav exist

[cobalt pewter]

duke

(1.4) eol

[frozen hornet]

Yeah lol loonie and deus aren't the only ones post-golem

[cobalt heath]

doesnt the post-thing warrant a warn

fuck where is rover when you need them

[eternal escarp]

you know rover isnt the only mod right

[cobalt heath]

they are the only one i do not fear to ping

[eternal escarp]

@swift wadi hey epsi, its about the second time they just posted things randomly in #suggestions-posting

[muted osprey]

🤡

[eternal escarp]

(and judging by how one of them is already warned i feel like they dont have the greatest track record)

[cobalt heath]

thats was fast

[eternal escarp]

they likely already had it ready

[cobalt heath]

oh it wasnt im just blind

[cobalt pewter]

rotor is honestly pretty cringe yes

[frozen hornet]

I've been typing for at least 8 minutes wdym

[eternal escarp]

oh lol

@austere crest first you need reasoning
second, why

[austere crest]

it just makes sense

[eternal escarp]

it

doesnt?

[austere crest]

hive mind looks like what okram could be

[eternal escarp]

that makes no sense?

[austere crest]

u shouldve been in calamity mod talk

we had a whole discussion about it

[eternal escarp]

calmodtalk is filled with stupid 50% of the time anyways

[austere crest]

also its a joke ngl

[eternal escarp]

jokes dont fit suggestions

so

[austere crest]

i deleted it chill

just wanted a reaction

calm tf down

[eternal escarp]

well you got your reaction

[austere crest]

yep

[eternal escarp]

cool?

all i did was mention that the sugg wouldnt work assuming you werent joking but

whatever

[austere crest]

nah my b didnt mean to click enter lmao

i type faster than i think

didnt mean to be a dick about it

[eternal escarp]

yknow i'd have thought epsi would be fairly active to respond, i guess they are just busy currently

[austere crest]

u tryna get me banned for it?

i litterally apologized

[eternal escarp]

to respond to this

[austere crest]

oh my b

imma just hop outta chat

lmao

[eternal escarp]

[cobalt heath]

you wont get anything cause i think we have first time offence no fault

[eternal escarp]

i mean the point of this channel is to

show issues without just mods slapping warnings left and right

so yeah

[cobalt heath]

sugg ideas to devs

[eternal escarp]

and or

to block out bad suggestions

[cobalt heath]

@zenith hazel can you look at the guys who posted random shit to sugg posting

[austere crest]

wait so would posting about storm weaver not spawning before phase 2 dog be a good thing to post

or has it allready been noticed

[eternal escarp]

wdym?

sounds like a bug

[austere crest]

yea

[eternal escarp]

then its better reported in #bugs-read-pins

though

try being next to solid blocks when it tried to spawn

[austere crest]

im still getting used to this server ngl

[eternal escarp]

ive heared some people say the same issue

its fine, it happens

[austere crest]

it happens ever time i do a new run

just freezes for like 45 seconds then spawns the next one

[zenith hazel]

@ashen warren @rapid hamlet don't post random messages into #suggestions-posting please, if you are going to discuss then do it here

[rapid hamlet]

sure man

[cobalt pewter]

@gray nebula can I suggest to make your item more based

(sexdemon actually having some amount of animations beyond walking and standing menacingly)

[gray nebula]

no

tell that to future me whos planning to resprite it eventually

[cobalt pewter]

man

[grim tusk]

I agree with the RR sugg

Feels like poor man’s celestus atm

Everything RR does

Celestus does better

[frail mortar]

I like the bone feather sugg

It would be cool to maybe have a direct upgrade to the necro armor around the tier you're able to get the bone wings

Or have the wings able to be made much earlier with way less flight time, kinda like the equivalent of the skyline wings for aerialite armor

[zealous oar]

yo i 1.6 they should add yharim and you choose to ether fight him or join his army

that would be so cool ngl

[frail mortar]

Suggs for future content are kinda frowned upon

And that also wouldn't work from a lore standpoint

[zealous oar]

i guess

[frail mortar]

Since your character is doing everything to stop yharim

Not help him

So joining his army which you murdered along the way wouldn't really make sense

But anyway
On the point of bone wings
It's in a really wierd tier of progression and it might be better to either make a direct upgrade to the necro armor, or make the wings craftable around a tier it would actually be useful

So i agree with that sugg

[frail mortar]

Yeah but that has its own wings for a different set bonus

The bone wings give a stat bonus while wearing necro armor

[frozen hornet]

plague reaper has wings?

Wtf

I'm guessing you meant beelzebooster

That's from calval and doesn't even have a synergy with any armors

Ye

[stiff wren]

i like the idea but it probably wont be accepted

[fossil finch]

It probably will?

[small timber]

frostbarrier is whatever, I think psychotic is a great impact

because unironically the standing still bonus of auric is pretty strong (although you dont get to use it much)

wait actually frostbarrier is no longer irrelevant

bosses can actualyl get stunned now

[cobalt pewter]

standing still works on stealth because it's accelerating resource generation, not giving stats

[fossil finch]

Devs agree with the general sentiment that auric is fucked currently i believe

[cobalt pewter]

yes

auric is a mess

[small timber]

and there was also a suggestion about stand still bonus to retain slightly after just moving get passed and 👍 so ya

[crude geode]

Glacial state does in fact work on several late game bosses, unless the wiki needs to be updated

That’s an entirely separate point than what you’re presenting

You originally had it as all bosses late game are immune to it, and that’s what I wanted changed.

[sleek wadi]

Scal barely ever gets in a position to deal contact damage, Exo-twins only have contact damage at all for 2 attacks, and Thanatos might be immune to glacial state because worm. Yeah glacial state from auric tesla never gets a chance to do anything

Pretty sure Ares joins Exo-twins in the no contact damage club too

[crude geode]

most bosses have immunity to glacial state
this is the only part you have about frost barrier being useless. focus more on that point instead of the whole immunity thing.

[digital saddle]

buff golem sugg

[cobalt heath]

did the bot fuckup somehow cause is saw my sugg v 40 votes at like 3 hours ago and now its at 13

[fossil finch]

R u sure you're not just misremembering

[crude geode]

The players appear to agree - no one seems to appreciate the change, which is mostly seen as "annoying", "unnecessary", and "bad".
this feels extremely unnecessary to say compared to the rest of the argument

[bright crag]

I feel like a lot of complaints about mechanics or bosses are very subjective, so it's important to state how multiple people are annoyed about it

For example, I'm totally fine with Tooth Balls in the Old Duke fight

[fossil finch]

one main thing with that is like

"the players" is def deserving of wikipedia's [who?]

[bright crag]

I'm not only here, but also in the Nohit Lounge
In neither of the servers have I seen someone happy about aimed projectiles

Not only that, but they seem really annoyed
Specially in Malice

[fossil finch]

it just feels that the way its worded you're quoting noone

[bright crag]

I asked some of them and they explicitly said it was annoying and unnecessary

[bright crag]

What do you suggest I do?

[fossil finch]

i'd honestly take lounge's messages with salt considering i've heard people are not the best there when it comes to being fair and cold minded at boss criticism, but this doesn't mean anything, i'm not there and you are
I can't really tell you to pull up screenshots or a poll, so i'd just reword it to say something like "in my experience, people agree" rather than saying ""the players""

[bright crag]

Ok, thanks

[eternal escarp]

yeah theres quite a bit of people who dont formulate actual criticism well

[unique vector]

@bright crag malice is a problem in of itself

i also kinda think nohit lounge’s opinions are kinda sus like half the time because you’re far more likely to find ppl overreacting or being unnecessarily negative bc they’re forcing themselves into basically playing the game to perfection

in any case, you should explain your suggestion more to point out what examples you’re even talking about

because i literally cannot tell what you’re referring to by “aimed projectiles” or where they even appear

or what you’re constituting as an “aimed bullet hell”

im gonna give it an exclamation mark for now bc i think this suggestion falls too heavily under subjective overreaction and doesnt really drive home any points its trying to make

just explain what you mean by “aimed projectiles” and where those occur

[tardy geyser]

#changelogs message This

[unique vector]

and why you think a blanket change to “remove all of them” isnt going to cause difficulty shifting since you arent proposing to give each case of said projectiles an individual review

[tardy geyser]

and im pretty sure its not just multiplayer

[unique vector]

still think it should be mentioned out of clarity

[bright crag]

I will explain the instances of aimed projectiles, but it's gonna make for a really lengthy suggestoon

[unique vector]

ping me when you edit your suggestion

[bright crag]

Ok ^-^

[unique vector]

then cut down on the unnecessary fluff @bright crag

stating ppl think “this shit is bad” doesn’t help convince us to listen to you nor does it actually propose proper criticism

i couldnt tell what you were even trying to advocate for and whether this wasnt out of some impulsive overreaction until i read this channel’s history

[bright crag]

?

[unique vector]

(also as a nitpick, reactive damage reduction never existed)

(you’re referring to timed DR)

[unique vector]

the whole ending comment of your second paragraph

“quality and fun” are subjective

why does your change make the design better, not to just you but as a mechanic in general

focus only on that

[bright crag]

Isn't reactive damage the complete formula in which TDR is included

[unique vector]

according to our provrammers RDR never existed

there was never a floor cap on dps

it was only timer-based

i could be remembering that qrong tho

[gray nebula]

i mean its easy to understand what theyre referring to

[unique vector]

again not rlly important

thats why i called it a nitpick smh

[gray nebula]

in both cases "kill boss too fast => boss gets more dr"

[bright crag]

But the quality and fun taken from boss fights, while subjective, is something people can definitely agree upon
And I wil get you more evidence that this isn't just mindless overreacting

[unique vector]

i just want clarity not evidence :^)

idnrc, people’s opinions will be expressed if this sugg meets the star count to be forwarded in two weeks

i just want you to clarify with examples of what you’re referring to

[bright crag]

Ok

[unique vector]

ty

[bright crag]

Np

[cobalt heath]

yeah dont bosses have a anti nuke feature

[unique vector]

thats uh

anti butcher

completely removed next patch i think

[cobalt heath]

i do feel like its a good feature

but hey, im a nohitter

of cource i love antibutcher xd

[bright crag]

Sorry for ping, but I need to answer this ^ and hear your feedback

These aimed projectiles were introduced in 1.5, as an addition to the normal bh pattern
None of the fights had them before, so if anything their addition in the first place was supposed to have had that review

By taking them all away, the bullet hells would simply be restored to their "original" form

[unique vector]

yea i thought more abt it and i make no sense with that comment lol

dwai

[bright crag]

Ok, thanks

[orchid briar]

Delete plague altogether

[fossil finch]

Bad opinion

downvoted+ratio+touch jungle grass+l+fell off+get cybernetic enhancements

[bright crag]

@unique vector there we go

[unique vector]

looks a lot cleaner, ty

(you did selectively choose evidence when you asked cmt for their opinions lmao but dw)

[crude geode]

cmt, opinion disregared

[west jackal]

There is only one place worse than #calamity-mod-talk

[bright crag]

Point is still proven
And you did see how often people see it as annoying

[west jackal]

#lore-discussion

[unique vector]

trueeeeee

[fossil finch]

Objectively wrong

[unique vector]

lore discussion when mods are afraid of stepping in there without a rad suit

actually tbf lore disc hasnt been that bad lately

but you never know

:evil

[fossil finch]

that's ironic because mods would like solve the problems

[unique vector]

at some point there 's a breaking point

[west jackal]

**delete #lore-discussion **

At least until the rewrite happens

[unique vector]

well tbh lore rewriting would be in segments

[west jackal]

iirc part of it is in the exomech wiki page right?

[unique vector]

no clue

[fossil finch]

It is

[west jackal]

Biggest takeaway from that section is that DoG is gonna have more emotions other than “I’m so cool”

[fossil finch]

Deletion is just plain bad (losing important info) archiving is meh

[cobalt pewter]

nohit lounge has kirn, so your take is totally valid but yeah, nohitters are inherently funky

[unique vector]

(does everyone just universally dislike kirn's takes)

[cobalt pewter]

I guess it's a good move to start separating away from nohitting on cal

[cobalt pewter]

(for me, it depends on the take, but usually on the bad, it's just that he tends to ignore anything but mechanics)

[digital saddle]

Scals damage values are pretty egregiously high

To the point where yea getting hit at all v dangerous

[fossil finch]

(Some def accs, namely asgardian aegis, are also getting buffed)

[digital saddle]

Ye I mean rampart and cotbg very good

Still 600 damage hits from moons

[fossil finch]

If you're getting hit from moons ur fucked anyway

[hearty obsidian]

(exactly his point)

[ashen warren]

mfw knockback from one of her attacks knocks you into a moon killing you

[fossil finch]

Knockback🤨

[ashen warren]

yes

for the like

% of people that dont use dash shield on scal so take knockback

[digital saddle]

Using dash for scal cringe

Iirc

[ruby plover]

rampart gives knockback immunity too

[swift wharf]

I do find interesting how someone saying that the scal projectile is "slightly annoying" is relevant to the suggestion

[hot zephyr]

selectively grabbing opinions from CMT 🤨

[crude geode]

dw they also took from no hitter lounge!…

[hot zephyr]

i disagree with this suggestion heavily just for how poorly it's written + the fact that it's suggesting looking at an entire mechanic instead of individual iterations

[digital saddle]

Opinions from cmt

At all

[hot zephyr]

i put CMT takes over nohit lounge at this point

[crude geode]

Trueeeeeeeee

[cobalt pewter]

normalize not considering any takes

:sungla

[hot zephyr]

aimed bullet hell projectiles work almost flawlessly in providence's fight

but that's my opinion

[digital saddle]

Star cocoon is just pretty much the hardest party of the fight by a mile

But it's getting nerfed so

We'll see where that leaves it

[crude geode]

Can’t believe you would have an opinion in this server smh my head

[hot zephyr]

ban me 😳

[cobalt pewter]

I haven't tested those ingame yet (aside from hellblasts which are pretty easy to manipulate tbh)

but going off on paper, imo aimed projectiles on Yharon's BH seems to be a bandaid to his bad BH design

(2 months for a new PC, hnng(

[hot zephyr]

feedza has nirie condition

[cobalt pewter]

(planning to test the FUCK out of cal once I got a new pc)

[crude geode]

Personally I also agree yeah, but SCal and Yharon I barely notice because it is just more bullshit hectic nonsense tbfh

[digital saddle]

i thought old yharon was better tbh

[cobalt pewter]

so true

[hot zephyr]

modern yharon is better than old yharon but still could get a touchup

[digital saddle]

i personally wish yharon would use some of betsy's attacks

betsy rly cool boss

[hot zephyr]

i thought old yharon's last subphase before p2 was disproportionately difficult compared to what came after and basically mandated some sort of long range ram

[crude geode]

Betsy rly cool boss*
(* at the end of an extremely cringe event)

[digital saddle]

not using fargo dragon egg summon item

cringe (er)

[crude geode]

Yeah big agree

Also just felt pretty bland? Like it was just kinda Duke dash phase

[cobalt pewter]

yharon doesn't actually breathe fire

cancelled 0/10 😠

[hot zephyr]

resisting the primordial urge to ping venus to remove the giant wall of screenshots

[digital saddle]

im not sure if my plague sugg is too high effort

probably

idk

[crude geode]

If someone has a problem with it they’ll ping you over it

[cobalt pewter]

where the hell did those screenshot come from anyways

[digital saddle]

cmt

[cobalt pewter]

what

huh

[digital saddle]

#calamity-mod-talk

[stable musk]

Providence actually puts you in danger when you have to dodge ignoring everything (for now).

And also don't do luigi does nothing

[cobalt pewter]

that's too colorful for cmt no?

[unique vector]

i told them to clarify it and its like relatively okay

[crude geode]

also no hit lounge

[digital saddle]

oh it looks like a combination of cmt and other places

[unique vector]

the screenshots are a bit much but i dont want to be an ass and critique their post just to deny it two weeks later

[hot zephyr]

[cobalt pewter]

ahh

[swift wharf]

Assuming it will get accepted by the devs

[digital saddle]

[crude geode]

The screenshots are gonna take up like the size of voting

[swift wharf]

Or even reach the star count

[cobalt pewter]

oh yeah the first one is from nohit

dumbo

[stable musk]

Something making game harder and not bullshit (except rdr): exists
People around: yeah delete it

[digital saddle]

scal fight does not need to be harder

lol

its pretty insane already

[stable musk]

unless you have exo box and mobility*

[digital saddle]

exo box is extremely cringe

[stable musk]

Exo box turns game into touhou

With big hitboxed

[hot zephyr]

there's very little I'd change about scal personally other than like, BH1 or her damage profile

mechanically the fight works very well

[digital saddle]

i think i can agree with that

[sleek wadi]

Scal has aimed projectiles in the bullet hells? I guess maybe the homing shots in BH2 onwards?

[digital saddle]

(except fucking moons )

[hot zephyr]

moons are probably my favorite part of the fight

[crude geode]

Personally hate moons but I’ve tried to get that changed and I think the only response I got was “fabsol likes moons so no”

[swift wharf]

orb

[stable musk]

Damage is okay considering it's final boss around
If you mess up, she wins. If you learn and practice then you win.

[hot zephyr]

Your proposed suggestion wasn't popular*

[stable musk]

Also defensive accessories exists and getting buffed

But yeah BH1 damage is way too high

[hot zephyr]

an unfortunate truth that many need to accept that there's no spooky boogieman that hates your ideas and refuses to change anything, but that some ideas just aren't popular in the dev circle

[stable musk]

Aimed projectiles isn't even noticeable for me

[cobalt pewter]

exo box: I sleep
hot gamer chair: real shit

[crude geode]

Among devs, I assume?

[hot zephyr]

Yes

[crude geode]

The response I got from rover at the time was something relating to fab, but then again he’s usually like the only one who gets brought up in examples of devs when he’s like 1/10

[cobalt pewter]

among ||us||

[sleek wadi]

If the horizontal projectiles are aimed I don't notice it, Scal already sets up walls of projectiles anyway in the bullet hell so I don't think they impact the fight one way or another

[crude geode]

It might just be hard to identify them as “aimed” projectiles considering they may otherwise be identical to the hundreds of other horizontal hellblasts

[swift wharf]

• positioning of the boss

[unique vector]

among us

amongus

suysssy BAKA iumposter

[hot zephyr]

scal's aimed projectiles are a very very minor part of the fight and things like curve flattening, defense accessory changes, and bh1 bug fixes did way more to impact the fight

[unique vector]

also yea no scal moons dont rlly have a problem in my eyes

[sleek wadi]

I don't think 1 out of 20 identical projectiles being aimed is changing much. I'm also looking at the quotes in the sugg and most of them just suggest annoyance than anything else

[unique vector]

its a unique way to challenge people doing circle patterns

"you like your circling so much? then do it faster, bitch"

[ashen warren]

ive only had problems with aimed projectiles in malice when theyre ridiculously fast

otherwise not really noticed them

[hot zephyr]

I wasn't in dev at the time so I don't have the full context but devs vote on suggested fight mechanics but it's mostly Fab who implements them hence Rover's response

[crude geode]

Ye

[unique vector]

i dont remember that vote so its probably something that happened when i was on hiatus

trollage

[sleek wadi]

The only aimed projectiles I've noticed were Yharon's, and thats mostly because he was kicking my ass in a true melee run

[crude geode]

We do a little mental health break trolling

[hot zephyr]

The suggestion was a neat change (and I probably starred it) but I don't think the change would be necessary

[sleek wadi]

Considering the removal or reworking of these projectiles would require more than like, 10 minutes worth of brainpower thats a no from me dog

[crude geode]

Yharon’s bullet hells are just weird tbfh

[cobalt pewter]

the only issue with moons is how

dirty bubble it looks

make them look based

[crude geode]

I would question if the screenshots really add anything substantial or are just taking up space

[unique vector]

heehee hoo hoo

[safe oasis]

yeah the second to last one straight up goes against his entire point

[unique vector]

also yea like moons have a resprite planned at some point

[safe oasis]

doesn't really add much there

[unique vector]

@bright crag more ppl have issues with your sugg

[crude geode]

also since you're here does the plague sugg go into high effort (mainly asking to ease hailfall's fears)

[crude geode]

@unique vector See above

[unique vector]

its actually a planned dev thing so im not gonna remove it

[crude geode]

yo big if true

[bright crag]

And?
I can delete it, if it's that bad

[unique vector]

thatas not what im implying

:^)

just saying that ppl are giving you more critiques if you wish to edit it further

[bright crag]

Weren't you guys complaining about how many screenshots I had

[hot zephyr]

if you want, you can compress them into an imgur album

[bright crag]

I see

But is this suggestion even worth sending

Doesn't seem very likely to be accepted

[fossil finch]

Fab wanted to give yharon more attacks in the future for those up there crying or whatever idk at this point commenting about bosses is crying about them ((((j)) yea

[hot zephyr]

what

[cobalt pewter]

cryptic moment

[bright crag]

How do you suggest I write this, huh

[fossil finch]

Idk you were TALKING about yharon's bh so i mentioned it

[hot zephyr]

but yeah, an addendum.
With Providence's guardian changes the aimed BH attacks work fine

[crude geode]

I mentioned it being a bit weird and that's crying about it?

what

[hot zephyr]

narrow your suggestion to a single boss, and work under the assumption that the mechanic won't be removed

That's how I'd do it

also wait for 1.5.1, seeing as the current build is pretty old atm

[bright crag]

My problem is with the mechanic
If I am to assume it won't be removed, then there's no point in suggesting this

I'm not critisizing one major flaw in a boss fight, I'm critisizing a flaw that has been added to multiple boss fights

[hot zephyr]

then just submit it as is

[unique vector]

man

[cobalt pewter]

woman

[fossil finch]

((((((((((((J <---stands for joke

[bright crag]

I'm sorry for causing so much trouble

[worthy lintel]

trouble is extremely agressive of a word

[crude geode]

Yeah it’s not really as problematic as some other conversations held here occasionally

[gray nebula]

don't add shortswords ever

They Suck

1.4 makes them marginally better but theyre just worse spears

[hot zephyr]

Shortswords

[gray nebula]

(unless they fire a projectile in which case the entire point of them being "short" swords is lost

just make more weapons like [redacted for spoilers]

[hot zephyr]

iban you should make biome blade shortsword

[gray nebula]

more weapons like this one

only true fans will get it

[crude geode]

Can’t believe biome blade is nkhuna’s opinion

[crude geode]

Iban continuing to be based

enters convo
says thing sucks
mentions better thing
leaves

[worthy lintel]

if you're going to demolish this poor man atleast offer them a dinner

(but yes shortswords are ugh)

[crude geode]

Byeah unironically agree on the concept of short swords being bad

[gray nebula]

its the "giga chad duodecilionnaire grindset" argumnentation strategy

[crude geode]

It just adds to melee being projectile spam and having no class identity

[west scroll]

do you think all shortswords should work with luxors gift?

[worthy lintel]

melee as a whole needs to be torn down but who in their right mind would do something that colossal

[crude geode]

Probably a small collection of people who really hate melee

looks at #suggestions-discussion

[cobalt pewter]

Gladius and Starlight in 1.4 are good examples of shortswords imo

[gray nebula]

teehee make all melee weapons be true melee hehe implement an entirely new parry mechanic hehee

[cobalt pewter]

rapid, inaccurate stabby combo

[gray nebula]

starlight in 1.4 is NOT a shortsword

[west scroll]

yes

[gray nebula]

its a rapier

[west scroll]

wait

[cobalt pewter]

no it's a shortsword :sung

[gray nebula]

no it is not

[cobalt pewter]

cope

[gray nebula]

I'm right you are wrong

[worthy lintel]

a rapier is a long shortsword what is your point

👎

[cobalt pewter]

see

[west scroll]

opinion on aimed shortswords?

[gray nebula]

its a "hardmode melee weapon" not a hardmode shortsword

[gray nebula]

always

Non-aimed anything sucks balls

[cobalt pewter]

byeah, Gladius is good

[west scroll]

^this

[hot zephyr]

melee shouldn't and won't be getting a huge rework but shortswords are cringe

[cobalt pewter]

it's a bit rare, but otherwise pretty based for a shortsword

[[tgc:Gladius]]

[red storm]

https://terraria.fandom.com/wiki/Gladius

[gray nebula]

gg ez

[west scroll]

me who is doing an only shortswords playthrough as we speak

[cobalt pewter]

Terraria has inconsistencies every 5 meters what's your point

[hot zephyr]

There's your mistake

Don't do some arbitrary challenge run

[west scroll]

too late

[hollow shell]

Rather

[crude geode]

Even if #youtube-videos tries to convince you it’s cool

[hollow shell]

You can do arbitrary challenge runs

But you shouldn't suggest that the mod bend to make them easier

[west scroll]

moon lord might actually be impossible

[hollow shell]

(because they're arbitrary)

[crude geode]

Yeah

[west scroll]

:/ oops

[hot zephyr]

in a perfect world in cal 1.4 we respite all the the shortswords and change their identities into something else

[sleek wadi]

Moonlord definitely possible if it has enough DPS to kill leeching bite clots

[west scroll]

these super difficult yet challenging... challenges are all i have left in tmod :/

[crude geode]

We change them into Shadowflame Hex Dolll variants

[hot zephyr]

[gray nebula]

so true

but only calamity shortswords

leave the vanilla ones to their plight

[unique vector]

doomed to suffer

[west scroll]

calamity does shortswords right

just

theres very little

[sleek wadi]

But yeah, suggs meant to help out certain-weapon-only runs and such are no bueno. Much to my dismay this apparently includes true melee as a whole

[west scroll]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

oh

[hot zephyr]

Honestly I'd love for Cal to just delete all of the true-melee shortswords we added

Nobody uses them except for like

[gray nebula]

and then we make them all into retorts..

[hot zephyr]

Subshitter

All the projectile shortswords (aka, the ones that people use and actually aren't shortswords at all) could just be made into rapiers

[west scroll]

true melee shortsword only run

[sleek wadi]

Yeah fuck the true melee shivs, I can already hug the boss to death with TM and still have some range I don't need this dinky little dagger

[hot zephyr]

It's become a running meme to "Delete broadswords" but you could make a WAY bigger case for deleting those shortswords instead

[west scroll]

take what you just said but just use the first, second, and sixth words

[iron trench]

they're good but I'd still never use them except starlight

[hot zephyr]

I can count on my elbow how many people use things like Spore Knife

[iron trench]

tf is that

[west scroll]

i had to use that for BOC

[sleek wadi]

Night's Shiv crafting fodder is what it is

[west scroll]

well

time for shortsword hell

terra shiv is good for one thing and one thing only

destroying leviathan

[cobalt pewter]

i still have a bit of hope for shortswords after I saw Gladius and Starlight (yeah iban, cope)

broadswords are just miserable to me

[hot zephyr]

broadswords have way more creative freedom than 1.3 shortswords

1.4 shortswords have more room, but at what point are they just spears with a different name?

[cobalt pewter]

which is why I often brought up Gladius

rapid, slightly inaccurate combo of stabs

it differs a lot from existing 1.4 shortswords, and I like it

[hot zephyr]

but if upgrades decrease the inaccuracy....