suggestions-discussion

[eternal escarp]

regardless, im getting killtimes for this

[feral thorn]

Ok

[cobalt heath]

like yeah archer fish for example is better than the rays

[small timber]

archer fish is straight up different class

[cobalt heath]

but mage has stronger points during the game

[small timber]

different class comparison dont really make sense, like how do you compare summoner with other class, or burst damage of stealthstrike with consistent damage of ranger

[cobalt heath]

fair enough but that was on the point off classbalance

[eternal escarp]

this isnt bad???????

3 warding 2 quick

[small timber]

824 dps is like, really fast?

[eternal escarp]

Mythical

let me do another check to make sure i had RDR on

oh wait i did, the lore item dropped

so yeah that is

absolutely not bad?

and i wasnt even trying to go true melee i was at normal range

[small timber]

that is faster than most other weapon probably

[eternal escarp]

its about the same length as Tradewinds id say

which is another weapon roughly on tier

[small timber]

although out of curiosity, isnt the image saying: the further the range the enemy is from the player, the more damage they took?

[feral thorn]

Ok nevermind, turns out it's pretty good only losing to the hellwing staff, but that's only if you somehow hit everysingle shot, also I forgot to test the tradewind thanks for saying it

[eternal escarp]

oh, you are

right

my bad then, i misunderstood how the weapon works

[small timber]

ya hellwing is like, busted

[eternal escarp]

Hellwing is good?

i thought it sucked kek, though i see howit might perform better for WoF

[small timber]

I dont use it on WoF, but it completely oblierate QB and Hive Mind/Perf

[eternal escarp]

anyways yeah i can understand range increase though honestly it might make the weapon too strong

[small timber]

WoF kinda has range problem since it has weird aiming, it is hard to aim if the target is above you so you need to stand high and aim down (basically aim the eye below)

[eternal escarp]

huh, i remember trying it for both and judging it as overshadowed

i dont find that

one second, i can try getting a video

[small timber]

nah I mean to get the most effectiveness not necessary just to hit

[eternal escarp]

(ill get Godmode on this since its not about player survivabiliy

ah

yeah i guess that kinda makes sense

[feral thorn]

So, I have a screenshot of the dps of every weapon I tested

[eternal escarp]

video loading

[feral thorn]

There's only like 7 weapons though

[eternal escarp]

(this killtime was even faster by about 10 seconds

[small timber]

ya that seems above average if not very good

considering it is 0 dps set up (mana overloaded only)

[eternal escarp]

yeah testers usually go medium gear

so thats how i test

[feral thorn]

It did pretty good, so maybe the carnage ray dosen't need to be buffed

[eternal escarp]

yeah i expected it to do worse honestly

though i assume its still inferior to Night's Ray

[cobalt heath]

why

[eternal escarp]

because of how Night's Ray works

[feral thorn]

Definitely compare the abilities, I don't have the night's ray but it seems worse, the carnage ray just doesn't seem as good

[cobalt heath]

oh no pierce

[eternal escarp]

id say itd be great, especially as a hungry killer

[feral thorn]

Too bad there's no way to have one on a crimson world

[cobalt heath]

so carnage is usually better

[eternal escarp]

i mean you have the evil island that spawns

byeah

[feral thorn]

Oh yeah

You'd need to spawn in the hive mind

[small timber]

with hellwing I got almost double dps of the video (with 0 damage except potion and armor) so I think it definitely is somewhat busted

I never really use it for WoF but it is still pretty good it seems

[feral thorn]

I used hellwing then was disappointed when I got carnage ray

[small timber]

just that hellwing have longer downtime because higher mana cost

but if you get 1 adrenaline WoF is pretty much dead

[cobalt heath]

and thats pre hive mind

exuse me

[small timber]

post evil 1 ya

[feral thorn]

Just randomly learned something, carnage ray can pierce through a limited number of enemies

[cobalt heath]

but still ill prolly nohit mage w carnage

[feral thorn]

It takes about 10 enemies, so it's a pretty big amount

[cobalt heath]

terra ray is very goog

so progress you will need it anyways

[feral thorn]

Yeah

[small timber]

for pre-HM you don't really need more than 10 enemy piercing, 10 is basically infinite pre-HM

you obtain it after EoW

[eternal escarp]

(testing with adrenaline is moot)

adrenaline isnt taken in mind for testing at all

unless you meant theoretically

[small timber]

ya that is understood, but generally it is still pretty much almost double dps

[eternal escarp]

ye i gotya

[small timber]

adrenaline is more like a "side test" for me, not a proper test

[unique vector]

tester brain

[feral thorn]

I'm struggling to beat wall of flesh so I'm just gonna blow up the underworld

[eternal escarp]

i hang out around piky enough that my brain is in full tester ideology

[alpine scarab]

Oh hey my suggestion did really good

[novel belfry]

which one?

[eternal escarp]

you can simply not use it

it has the same effect as a Destroyer Emblem

[bitter drift]

pretty sure the destroyer emblem doesn't increase crit rate and if it does then not by 10% maybe 2%

[eternal escarp]

it does by 8%

oh no 2 more crit %!

in endgame ranger you have bonus crit chances regardless

youd usually be on like, 107%

Sniper Scopes whole shtick is the scope, whats the point of it being a toggle

simply dont upgrade to it

[bitter drift]

besides shouldn't the sniper scope be an UPGRADE?
why do i have to get such a down side for no reason

[eternal escarp]

its not??

the scope is the main reason i use it

it may be a downside in your eyes but i see it as a major upgrade

[bitter drift]

also take a look at the last paragraph i added a 2nd options i had there instead of the annoying and fight ending downside of the current zoom out

i swear the amount of times i died to the void because of zoom out on shredder is annoying as fuck

[eternal escarp]

the second option idea would be better as its own suggestion

rather then as a small side note to say "yeah if you think toggle is stupid then shut"

my point stands regardless though
if you dont like it, dont use it

you will miss out on absolutely nothing

besides theres like very little weapons with right clicks

the majors i can think of are Photov

[bitter drift]

shredder, infinity'

[eternal escarp]

thats still abysmal compared to the amount of weapons

simply use destroyer emblem theres absolutely 0 point it making sniper scope a toggle

if you want to suggest to make it zoom farther then make it the whole sugg instead

(though thats problamatic for various reasons in how terraria renders afaik

[bitter drift]

from what i am experiencing with the pain from malice HFC (hallowed fried chicken) and malice storm weaver shredder and infinity are the best weapons to have

[eternal escarp]

thats not countering my arguements

your sugg is pretty much pointless because nothing forces you to use sniper scope
and the fact you call it a downside is HEAVILY subjective

many would consider it a major up side

[bitter drift]

you can't call the zoom an upgrade it is both annoying and fight ending

it's 100% a down grade because of it's deadly consequences when used (even for a split second)

[eternal escarp]

i can
i litterally use the zoom non stop

i never leave right click because i find it super useful

you cant say something is horrid objectively because its just how you find it

and agian

nohing forces you to use sniper scope

you can quite litterally use destroyer emblem and carry on, theres no difference

theres no point changing the sniper scope because you can just not use the sniper scope

[ashen warren]

which is a worse item

[eternal escarp]

by litterslly a difference of 2 crit chance

which you usually have more then the max as an endgame ranger

[sleek turret]

oh wow a 2 crit difference

like if it matters really

[eternal escarp]

(it doesnt

the sugg is pretty much baseless and fully subjective

[ashen warren]

it benefits people that dont like the zoom and does nothing to people that do like it

so uh

not really

[eternal escarp]

but the solution quite litterally exists

its called not using sniper scope

[ashen warren]

not really a good solution

"just dont use it"

[sleek turret]

stop whining about a 2 crit chance difference iirc

[eternal escarp]

its quite litterally the solution.

[sleek turret]

it doesn't matter

even more in the endgame

[eternal escarp]

besides their claims on the sniper scope are completely subjective rather then an objective way which makes the sugg worse

[ashen warren]

god this channel gets agressive doesnt it, already got the "whining" and the full stop at the end of the sentence because someone has a different opinion on something

[eternal escarp]

its to signify that my message remains

[sleek turret]

iirc that's like bringing old elysian aegis debate where people just used it because of a small stat difference

[stiff wren]

my argument when someone ends their sentence with a full stop
💥

[ashen warren]

youre quite literally proving my point there

[eternal escarp]

besides thats the major issue with the sugg, its fully opinionized even though the answer is infront of them, they arent forced to upgrade to the sniper scope, they have the full ability to not upgrade and miss out of nothing

[stiff wren]

yeah thats the point

[ashen warren]

very funny

[stiff wren]

yes i am very funny

[eternal escarp]

also if you have nothing to add the to the discussion then please dont, it just aggravates people

[golden tulip]

daily suggestion discussion channel-

ah the perfect moment for blast to say that

[eternal escarp]

[tepid mantle]

• People suggest some good qol
  #suggestions-discussion: i don’t need that you sucker
• ok

[ruby plover]

good is subjective tho..,,,.,.,., so

[eternal escarp]

i dont see why there needs to be a qol for something that the exact solution for exists

byeah whatever, i showed my arguements so i pretty much have nothing more to say without being s broken record

[west jackal]

So a mechanic that shreds isn’t tested?

[ashen warren]

it is tested

just not primarily what its balanced over

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[ashen warren]

if something is ridiculously op with adrenaline it will obviously be changed

[eternal escarp]

its not used to affect actual killtimes

[ashen warren]

indeed

[fossil finch]

also the point is that it shreds after all

if they didn't want it doing that they'd heavily reduce the damage bonus

[ruby plover]

@rancid jasper does thanatos ever fire lasers? because he will only take damage/be targeted by minions when his segments are firing lasers

also, which minions? it's possibly an issue with a specific summon

additionally it could be a multiplayer problem because multiplayer can be like that

[rancid jasper]

Yharon Kindles, Midnight Sun Beacons, and Cosmic Immaterializer

[rancid jasper]

i mean my minions did do random sparatic bursts of damage, so it might be that

[ruby plover]

ive used the first 2 on thanatos in singleplayer, and the target him just fine

[ruby plover]

yea, that might be it methinks

[rancid jasper]

oke, so it isn't just broken. thanks!

[ruby plover]

you can use right-click targeting when his segments glow red and are steaming (as those are indications that he is firing lasers)

[rancid jasper]

oh, i thought those were him enraging since i think Ares does that

[small timber]

Since your suggestion mentioned multiplayer, I will heavily assume it is a multiplayer problem

[small timber]

For the sniper scope thing, I think there can be a few reason there:

1. many player just upgrade their accessory to the final version, it is generally a no brainer solution except that upgrading destroyer emblem just happens to give a completely different effect if you are not used to it (just like how elysian was "better" than asgardian aegis) with no way to disable it

2. Weapon with right click most of the time is legendary/challenge drop, so you are punished from using possibly BIS weapon or forced to refarm Demblem

3. the town npc part do get somewhat annoying, yes accessory swapping but at the sametime constant accessory swapping also gets annoying

4. sniper scope differs from previous "visibility disable effect" case in that it has no actual visual component, so disabling visual of sniper scope have no downside

[alpine scarab]

Plant life in ocean

[novel belfry]

link please

[alpine scarab]

Hold up gotta find it

[novel belfry]

okay

[alpine scarab]

I cant get link💀

Im on phone

But i can get a screenshot

Maybe

💀 forgot title

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make (Exo Mechs) Ares' Nuke Have Clearer AOE (Area of Effect) Indicator]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[small timber]

likely is already something the devs is doing, I just suggested it since it was not in changelog

[cobalt heath]

the draedon tablet one is prolly gonna go in

in some way or form

[golden tulip]

draedon tablet?

[cobalt heath]

the the

the hints

[golden tulip]

ah

i liked the idea too

[cobalt heath]

cause i am always so confused cause i dont go to sunken sea

only melee

cause amidas trident

[golden tulip]

big planetoid is always the first one i go too but apparently youre supposed to go to the sunken sea first

lo

[cobalt heath]

i usually find the frost one first

cause i go look for ice skates

[eternal escarp]

well yeah sunken sea is earlier in progression then space under normal circumstances

[unique vector]

technically you’d go to big plaanetoid right away for plant boxes

and seeds

[eternal escarp]

in practice yeah

in theory its logical to assume sunken sea

[eternal escarp]

who will tell them

(i will

okay you did

[potent veldt]

Damn, baited

[eternal escarp]

but yes, Biome Blade and its upgrades already are getting a full out rework

so yeah

sugg technically implemented and far more

[potent veldt]

Sounds good, then

[eternal escarp]

ye

should be coming in the next update (1.5.1.001)

[stiff wren]

🏁 speedrun???

[potent veldt]

negative time

[eternal escarp]

its not the first time this happens

[small timber]

I mean at least you didnt make this just to get told that entire biome blade line is gonna get full rework

(although admittedly the suggestion didnt get enough vote)

[eternal escarp]

kek

[small timber]

I mean it is originally there so I not gonna delete it

[small timber]

and vortex pillar unironically give ammo reservation in the original verison

[potent veldt]

Glowing Mushrooms are stims??

[cobalt pewter]

yes

[small timber]

don't judge

[stiff wren]

yes

[small timber]

and if you have to ask yes

[stiff wren]

temporal what???

[potent veldt]

Damn, Crabulon be ballin

[cobalt pewter]

you get the power of senator armstrong by being high as hell

[paper atlas]

anyone know the compiler used in calamity dll's?

[tawny garden]

tModLoader

[paper atlas]

bruh the true 2iq anwser

[raw veldt]

(He does not know about the war crimes Philo has committed)

[gray nebula]

suggested not even a day after it was coded actually

[small timber]

well it was kinda timely

[cobalt heath]

aight would adding the sunken sea mats to pre hm abyss gear recipes be a good idea

[gray nebula]

Also you could easily fix the issue by making the planetoids offcenter from the world spawn so its not as much of a "first thing you do in your pt"

[small timber]

abit unnecessary? while still water sunken sea and abyss kinda have the opposite theme

[cobalt heath]

yeah but the thing is

sunken sea is so easy to skip

no need to go there

[small timber]

I mean it is still the most useful underwater gear you can get at that progression

[cobalt heath]

and i feel like it needs a incentive to go there for atleast some reason

[gray nebula]

just ask to spread out ss materials a bit everywhere in the rest of the aquatici tem crafts

[small timber]

and desert scourge tells you to "hey go to that biome NOW"

[gray nebula]

dw we know the isue we are on it

[cobalt heath]

okay nice

i love you devs

cause sunken is such a cool biome but man atm its a waste to go there after you get the draedon schematic

[gray nebula]

shurinken sea

i mean its more than just the crafting mlaterials anyways we have a whole update planned for it

[small timber]

if on the topic of sunken sea being skippable, I think the problem is just victide is not really a upgrade

it is an upgrade that you can only use way later for the abyss (wait I brain farted)

[cobalt heath]

is that common knowbledge or not

[gray nebula]

kinda

[austere cargo]

would it be possible for Calamity to have achievements?

[gray nebula]

not right now, in 1.4 tmodloader yes

[distant gyro]

there are plans to when it is possible

[cobalt heath]

okay i must say that the devs being this upfront cleares a ton off stuff out

[distant gyro]

tmod 1.4 coming in 2030 soon

[hushed jetty]

It's known for quite a long while that some biomes are getting reworked

[austere cargo]

Sunken Sea is such a great biome. would be cool to see it more fleshed out

[hushed jetty]

Astral underground, sunken sea and crags

[gray nebula]

indeed

crag info has been revealed in the art server thanks to a contest

[cobalt heath]

atleast some off em are coming pre yharim arent they?

like atleast 2

[hushed jetty]

I doubt they've thought far enough ahead to reach the Man himself

[distant gyro]

probably all

[cobalt heath]

i know its being idealised atm

but no concretic things have been planned for yharim

[distant gyro]

some little info is known about sunken sea things already

because it made its way into changelogs accidentally

[hushed jetty]

damn

[gray nebula]

all

[austere cargo]

one thing I've thought is that it's really easy to miss the sunken sea Draedon lab

[distant gyro]

changelogs 13, 71, 95 moment

[cobalt heath]

nice

[austere cargo]

given you need to find that one to make draedon gear, that's not ideal

[cobalt heath]

thats gonna change prolly

made a popular sugg about it

[eternal escarp]

wtf i suggested this.,.,,.

[cobalt heath]

prolly was already in plans

[eternal escarp]

idk

[cobalt heath]

it had been sent

i would consider it an absolute win

[eternal escarp]

way back when the old bot was still here

(not too long ago but lmao

[cobalt heath]

did the old dev leave?

[eternal escarp]

its not a dev

its an automatic system

its just that it got replaced for a newer one

[cobalt heath]

aight

good

but now im waiting almost two weeks to get my sugg in

[eternal escarp]

if a week passed then it likely wont be picked up anymore seeing how the new system works

[distant gyro]

you should probably check that suggestion again

[eternal escarp]

(afaik) it only picks from the same week the ones at the top 20% of votes, and passes those

[gray nebula]

❌ 😱

[eternal escarp]

i dont think the bot goes back for older suggestions

[gray nebula]

it did

kinda

when we implemented the new bot we had it do the sugg process for like

every sugg since the draedo, update

[eternal escarp]

well yeah but i mean like

now that it doesnt need to catch up to those anymore

isnt it a weekly process each time rather then accumulative

[cobalt heath]

i remember around the update all mods were basicly saying that no sugg is gonna get in unless devs like it and see it

[gray nebula]

tru

[cobalt heath]

my sugg still got in

[distant gyro]

yeah sea prisms are used pretty oftenly now

[cobalt heath]

cause i pretty much marketised it down the throat

[distant gyro]

mostly just early-mid game

[cobalt heath]

is mollusk used for the all class post polter armor?

[eternal escarp]

what

Mollusk is post WoF not post Polter

[distant gyro]

not atm

[eternal escarp]

oh you mean

if its part of the recipe?

[distant gyro]

that's asking for if mollusk husk is in omega blue

which the answer is no

[cobalt heath]

man that could just go in that

[eternal escarp]

i see

[crude geode]

Not really?

There’s no squids/octopus in the sunken sea and that’s primarily what omega blue is based on

[distant gyro]

omega blue is not very mollusk-like

in fact it's a rather brittle armor

[hushed jetty]

Squishy like a squid

[distant gyro]

quite literally in gameplay (glass cannon moment)

[gray nebula]

squouiddie

[crude geode]

There’s also. already a mollusk armor

[distant gyro]

tier 1 arsenal, abyssal mirror, celestial jewel, ampoule, deific, supreme tackle box, effervescence, ultra liquidator, tears of heaven, tenebreus tides, alluvion, sdfmg, seadragon, stormfront razor, aestheticus to name a few

(1.5.1)

[hushed jetty]

nice

What about prism shards?

[distant gyro]

are basically ores

[cobalt heath]

we need more imo

[crude geode]

Was gonna say their primary usage is for crafting prisms

[hushed jetty]

Didn't even know they can craft into prisms lmao

[cobalt heath]

but that will happen after time

[crude geode]

More of what

[hushed jetty]

That's already a lot

[cobalt heath]

uses for prisms

[hushed jetty]

A lot more than most things

[crude geode]

Not really?

Used a decent amount + not every single material needs to be useful for the entirety of progression

[hushed jetty]

The fact that it goes to post-DoG is already great

[distant gyro]

for mollusk husk: absorber, abyssal diving suit, asgard's valor, frigid bulwark, amalgam

and grax for some reason

[crude geode]

highly confusing on that end

Other stuff make sense tho

[golden tulip]

i swear i have been checking changelog 71 for MONTHS and its never even -done

must be some very special fx

[distant gyro]

it's not for 1.5.1

they're leaks for the biome update, if you will

[golden tulip]

ah so they wont be -done either

[crude geode]

@ashen warren People will complain about changes to popular content regardless of reasoning or logic. Calamity has kinda shown it isn’t really willing to bend the mod backwards for them (Heart Rapier removal, Subsuming Vortex changes, or even SCal’s music change)

You can just tell them to go play it off of YouTube and mute the music in game

[hollow idol]

some rando will inevitably make a “calamity old exo mech theme” music box or music replacement thing anyways

[grave zinc]

@full pivot - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[give providence an indicator for how far you can get]

Your suggestion has already been previously passed and voted upon; if it isn't already implemented, the devs may reconsider their verdict.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[full pivot]

what

i already got this ping

[crude geode]

The suggestion also doesn’t have any reactions

[stable musk]

Quite a Uh-Uh if to think a little

But if to think longer, it's actually good because WHO THE FR CAUSED ALL DRAMA BECAUSE OF ARTIST FINISHING HIS EORK

eork

[unique vector]

guh

[crude geode]

Very odd, wish I had recorded it having no reactions

[cobalt pewter]

what's with this sugg

pointless config

[fossil finch]

piss

[frail mortar]

Didn't cdmusic have to restart from scratch on the draedon theme?

[fossil finch]

wow its almost like

[fossil finch]

iirc ye

[stiff wren]

its almost as if every community has a side of terminally online contrarians

[unique vector]

@ashen warren marking it as exclamation

shouldnt suggest things about content rhat isnt even in game yet

[crude geode]

It’s chill

[swift wadi]

@ashen warren@cobalt pewter Both your comments are completely unhelpful, if you're not going to actually try to help the person who made the suggestion either improve the sugg or come up with their own, personal solution, than you might as-well not say anything at all, instead of just come off snarky and rude

[unique vector]

also true

didnt catch on that

[crude geode]

Think we could add something along these lines to this pin? #suggestions-discussion message
Or should we just point it out in the future?

Good question

[swift wadi]

I think it's common sense to just not be an asshole about it, but I guess you can't expect everyone to be constructive when they're asked to directly give their opinions on something

[small timber]

Most likely you have to delete it tbh, since suggestion for future content cant really get pass no matter what you change about it

[ruby plover]

I think it’s been suggested before, and I don’t remember but I feel like that general idea of keeping the old draedon theme when the new one comes out isn’t gonna happen…?

[crude geode]

Or you can let it naturally fade into the end

[swift wadi]

For now just delete it, the two songs aren't in the game yet

[small timber]

Since well, the content is not added so there is no suggestion to change something that dont exist yet

[ruby plover]

Yeah, and the future content thing

[swift wadi]

You can suggest something similar when the theme is replaced, if you want

That's because he's still working on it, the current one is a placeholder, if you wanna suggest an option to switch the two, you should wait for when this one gets replaced by the new one, when its finished

[golden tulip]

wow

people really dont like zooming out

with the sniper scope

[shut glade]

[tawny garden]

and then they call themselves zoomers

smh

[small timber]

@tardy smelt generally for weapon buff/nerf suggestion you always have to provide solid stat, such as kill time and average dps etc, basically without proper stats (unless the case is REALLY obvious), it generally is hard to get accepted

so at least try to use it on like polterghast and show kill time and dps, ideally with full video (since otherwise it is super hard to judge whether the performance is on average level)

[grave zinc]

@eternal escarp - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Fix the tiering inconsistency with the Corroded Fossils, a Post-AS material only usable after 1 Mechanical Boss]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[golden tulip]

[cobalt pewter]

poggere

[frail mortar]

Poggers

https://tenor.com/view/pogchamp-pog-pogey-poggers-twitch-gif-14340727

[tardy smelt]

Oh right, fair

I actually did test it against several bosses on-tier, I'll go collect more data later and add it to the sugg

(So I'll prolly delete the sugg for now while i can before it gets into #suggestions-voting prior to that i can add said data/footage)

[fossil finch]

Something Something about vanilla Something Something about the inconsistency not really being inconsistent because it's previous to the cal stuff and the cal stuff is toggeable because of other reason blah blah

Personally i don't agree because calamity shouldn't be your first pt of terr

[patent nimbus]

there are ppl who struggle in expert calamity and might wish to try it in normal mode without creating a new world

[fossil finch]

I mean yeah

Uncommon cases exist for everything and there will most likely always exist an example

The above still applies just without the uncommon part

[patent nimbus]

there are also ppl who might want to start their first modded experience in normal, not knowing what to expect, only to discover that rev is the intended difficulty without being able to activate it without making a new world

[fossil finch]

yeah, but if they went with normal and not expert those are probably not ready for rev anyways

[patent nimbus]

it still gives them the option

[fossil finch]

as you point out mutant also exists and i don't see why calamity has to do this, with the rev item nonetheless

[patent nimbus]

cal shouldnt need other mods though

[fossil finch]

That's bs

[patent nimbus]

especially when all other difficulties can be toggled with just calamity

[fossil finch]

To begin with, this isn't a need for anyone

and, even if, the mentality that "absolutely no other mod will ever be required" is just stupid

[cobalt pewter]

j

[fossil finch]

There's not a lot of real reasons to justify not using other mods as long as they're minor additions, really

[patent nimbus]

then why did calamity make normal npcs sell potions?

when alcnpc exists

[fossil finch]

because devs wanted to

Not because "calamity should stand by itself and you will never enable another mod"

[golden tulip]

i think it's better phrased as "relying on another mod" rather than "needing another mod"

[unique vector]

toggling expert might be hardcoded on world creation

[fossil finch]

Thorium and mutant do it

So like

,

[unique vector]

oh

also

please do not go with the mindset of “cal shouldnt need other mods”

we purposefully do not add some features so we dont completely overshadow other qol mods :^)

[crude geode]

Veinminer, Magic Storage, Better Multiplayer, etc.

[unique vector]

the potion npc selling thing is semi temporary anyway because plant growing rn kinda sucks

[fossil finch]

Calamity Valley is a closer reality every passing day

[golden tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-sus-eye-the-rock-gif-23171646

[fleet igloo]

Semi temporary

[golden tulip]

ok that gif was bigger than i hoped

[fleet igloo]

h m m

Implying there's going to be an even better way to get potions later on

[crude geode]

I really dislike the potion npc selling thing but there’s too many arguments against removing it at this point tbh

[golden tulip]

he emphasized on "plant growing rn kinda sucks"

so probably planting plants

not getting potions

[fleet igloo]

bosses dropping herb bags when

[unique vector]

she*

[crude geode]

That’s really not a good idea tbfh

Puts even more emphasis on bosses than there already is

[unique vector]

guh

[golden tulip]

she

sorry

[unique vector]

issok

[golden tulip]

is that a bad thing

bosses are awesome

and widely thought to be the best aspect of terraria

[safe oasis]

too much of a good thing is still bad most of the time

a lot of complaints that people have with post ml is that it’s way too boss rush feeling

[golden tulip]

that is true

i share that complaint

[fossil finch]

Mfs complaining that they have to grind a boss for herbs

[cobalt pewter]

Fab has voiced his dislike on Veinminer, Magic Storage is honestly kinda bordering on "too convenient" to me

[fossil finch]

Yeah point being that

[cobalt pewter]

yea, most of the examples cursed gave are just the "broken" side of QoL, but I'm not against pixl's point either

Where's My Items >>>>>>>>>>> Magic Storage, don't @ me

[fossil finch]

@cobalt pewter wrong

[crude geode]

I just gave the most common examples people know (outside of Fargo’s mutant)

Which is why I included the etc.

[cobalt pewter]

fair

[cobalt pewter]

your mom

[crude geode]

Byeah uh delete blood orbs pls and ty

🛫

[gray nebula]

the worst part abt that sugg is more like the fact that its asking for the function to be put on.. rev

[fossil finch]

don't actually

[gray nebula]

why not ask for a new item for that

[fossil finch]

Blood Orbs are comical

[patent nimbus]

wouldnt that be a SIS though?

[gray nebula]

uh

[fossil finch]

no?

[gray nebula]

?

I'm question marking you

[patent nimbus]

ill just delete

[fossil finch]

you're allowed to sugg items that do things

[gray nebula]

Item Suggestions are fine

[cobalt pewter]

just not specific

[gray nebula]

Specific Item Suggestions arent

[cobalt pewter]

"true true true biome blade"

[gray nebula]

Ark of the Biome blade

[fossil finch]

rover straight up just telling the dude that sugged the rename "you're boring" is the most savage shit ever

[west jackal]

Item bloat

All difficulties should be in one item or ui

[gray nebula]

do you know what item bloat means

[fossil finch]

Item bloat (3 items out of 200 broadswords

[gray nebula]

Abt to start question marking everyone in chat if the bizzare postings continue..

[west jackal]

Unneeded items

[gray nebula]

I mean they're needed to switch difficulties would you agree

[west jackal]

Yeah but they don’t all need separate items

[gray nebula]

I mean how else

Its a bit complicated to make an ergonomic item that works for all difficulties

not to say that theres no better way ,the sugg abt clicking on the ui was cute and iirc it got approved anyways

Its just kinda dumb to go call it item bloat when frankly its really not that bad like come on

[unique vector]

ppl be throwin around terms when they dont apply to the situation

[crude geode]

100%

[west jackal]

I said that cause an expert item isn’t necessary

[unique vector]

thats you disagreeing then

isnt objectively item bloat

[gray nebula]

I mean

i feel like

between putting the expert toggle function on the revengeance item versus making a separate item to toggle it uh

, like

. I mean , like, you know;

[unique vector]

are u saying u want me to exclaim the sugg

[gray nebula]

if there was only one difficulty switcher item for sure but the precedent is that the difficulty toggle items are all separate

Nah i'm just saying to ooferman that its not unecessary if we're just going by the previously established rules about difficulty items

[unique vector]

oki

[crude geode]

We’re talking a lot for a sugg that the poster deleted

[west jackal]

When lmao

Did he like just delete it

[fossil finch]

.

[crude geode]

Tbh the concept was fine just like. Fargo’s mutant got brought up

[edgy pagoda]

the sniper scope one is brilliant

i hate trying to reforge and constantly scoping whenever i try to talk to the tinkerer

[fossil finch]

Watch it get denie

[unborn siren]

or having to mess around with controls if you want Normality relocator set to right click

[fossil finch]

That's your fault

Setting nr to right click is just an overall awful idea in general

[frozen hornet]

Yeah I set NR to middle click and even though It's been that way for a year I still think it's a bad idea

[eternal escarp]

personally i kinda hope because malding about 2% crit chance is sad

[gray nebula]

Why would you ever set NR to right click

[golden tulip]

i set it to alt

which is the same as favoriting items

so everytime i favorite an item i teleport

[cobalt heath]

q is optimal

[golden tulip]

right click NR does seem pretty funny

[cobalt heath]

i would just be confused all the time

[cobalt pewter]

the optimal way to use NR is

the side buttons on your mouse

[unique vector]

macro buttons

[cobalt pewter]

or middle click if you're nuts

[golden tulip]

when the mouse doesnt have side buttons

[unique vector]

nodders

[golden tulip]

😔

[hushed jetty]

I'm nuts

[golden tulip]

middle click is heal for me

[cobalt pewter]

too bad Terraria doesn't recognize most of the additional buttons on my G502

like bruh

let me macro the shit outta

Terraria

[cobalt heath]

q is good cause it used the second most useless finger on left hand

[golden tulip]

i have both rage and adrenaline set to rmb

[hushed jetty]

Actually insane

[golden tulip]

im nuts

[cobalt heath]

i have rage and adrenaline on mouse buttons

[golden tulip]

absolutely crazy

[golden tulip]

im pretty sure Q is my hook

[cobalt heath]

e is my hook

its the vanilla way

[golden tulip]

E is my inventory

why does noone rebind their inventory from esc

esc as inventory is hideous

[cobalt heath]

no its not

its optimal

[golden tulip]

its so weird

[cobalt pewter]

binding rage and adren together sounds like a good idea to me

[cobalt heath]

its away and i use autopause so its not annoying

[cobalt pewter]

I'll needd both together for stealth anyways

[golden tulip]

ZA WARUDO

[cobalt heath]

yes

[golden tulip]

i dont use autopause cus you cant even use items from the inventory like that

[crude geode]

Very glad this convo is happening here and not like #calamity-mod-talk

[cobalt heath]

that is chaos atm

[golden tulip]

👍

[copper crow]

I use it

because its literally good in fights

for fights is very good

actually

no

I changed it

[gray nebula]

I mean sure ig enjoy being unable to use right click functions on any weapon

[copper crow]

right click is m adreniline now

my front side button is normality

[golden tulip]

nooo the 3 weapons that have a right click

[cobalt pewter]

after Terraria mobile, having an accessible interact button is life

[copper crow]

ikr

[gray nebula]

don't tell em chat

[golden tulip]

its not fair if its about unreleased weapons

[gray nebula]

oh the weapons are all very released

[golden tulip]

unupdated

im not stupid

maybe sometimes

[muted osprey]

hi not stupid

[golden tulip]

163.45.174.88

[muted osprey]

[tardy smelt]

for me its hooking

and now i can't get used to having hook on e anymore

(was testing Virid Vanguard on a few bosses for a sugg)

[golden tulip]

hows that going

[small timber]

is there any plans on reworking spectral veil and bloodflare core?

if there is none then my as well suggest it, since not much else in posting (though I doubt they will get enough vote)

bloodflare core design is weird in that it is a doubledown effect

[cobalt heath]

rsn needs a buff

it needs % based armor shred

[small timber]

it is intended to be extremely good for high defense build while also buffing high defense build, instead of the otherway around

it is like necklace of vexation give you max hp while also give you damage if you are above 50% (instead of lower than 50%), or if rampart of deity gives you DR at higher hp (which prevents you to get into low hp to begin with)

[frozen hornet]

myes the artif cat

[small timber]

(it exist)

[small timber]

wait a minute does anyone know how the mode indicator can show malice and death if both are activated at the sametime? since there is only 1 indicator now

or death and malice become mutually exclusive

[eternal escarp]

death is top

[golden tulip]

i have no idea what you mean

[eternal escarp]

malice bottom left

[golden tulip]

yea

lol

[eternal escarp]

and when theres 1 indicator

(update eventually)

Malice will likely just take over since

it doesnt matter what was beforehand

Malice AI's take priority

[cobalt heath]

new role should be made to reward the ones who have gotten many ideas into the game

like a clever mind role or something

[golden tulip]

no

[unique vector]

i feel its easier if some of you try to keep your word count in suggs to a minimum

my brain doesn’t have the attention span to review every sugg thats over a paragraph long esp if its over rebalancing an item

if someone feels like one breaks a sugg rule just ping me

[cobalt heath]

we'll do

[eternal escarp]

tbh thats what usually happens

byeah 👍

[small timber]

too many college essay writing experience took over I will try to summarize it better

[tardy smelt]

uhh, lessee

i need to redo and get a less freaky arena for SW

Ceaseless Void was 2:30 minutes with me barely surviving on a glass cannon loadout

[cobalt heath]

cant you just download a world

for testing

[tardy smelt]

I can

but i've been too lazy to do it until now

[cobalt heath]

do it it speeds up the process

[tardy smelt]

might do it this afternoon if i have some time (which isn't a guarantee sadly)

[tardy smelt]

truetrue

nohits v2 will do

[cobalt heath]

imma need to dowload one for my playtrough cause i dont want to build em no more

[tardy smelt]

Old Duke is :desolage:- 1:30 minutes for 80% HP

I've already decided on not doing DoG since that's just, horrible

might push back the OD fight until 1.5.1, make everything nohits for higher and more consistent DPS

[small timber]

ya not much point on using a provi item on DoG

[cobalt heath]

imma test dps today to get concretic proof to show that rsn needs a buff

[tardy smelt]

*tarragon

byeah

[tardy smelt]

Reaper Tooth Necklace?

[tardy smelt]

not everything's a Purge Guzzler

[small timber]

I don't know how you insert these stats into your suggestion but I think do try to put it in, let mods or someone else judge if it is enough stats

[tardy smelt]

and besides, Doggo is insanely tanky

[tardy smelt]

oh i'll prolly record everything

[eternal escarp]

yeah not everything uses an explosion projectile that is stronger then intended and was overlooked

[tardy smelt]

then also grab one or two nohits with viable on-tier summoner and the same setup

[eternal escarp]

though Fault Line is a Purge Guzzler, to an extent

[tardy smelt]

and compare to see if a buff is warranted

[frozen hornet]

I got a nigh 5 min kill time on lolterghast with VV with a balanced (I think) loadout and no rippers

[tardy smelt]

truetrue

[tardy smelt]

huh

[frozen hornet]

Haven't actually beaten it yet cuz god damn polter hard

[small timber]

on the topic of Death and Malice, Death Malice (after env effect removed) because Death adds 15% damage (considerable amount too), so actually make a difference

[tardy smelt]

theoretical killtime?

[frozen hornet]

closest I got was 8%, 4:30

[eternal escarp]

i mean im pretty sure deathmode as a whole is getting

changes

so

not sure how much that will hold up anymore tbh

[small timber]

I mean it is still considerable difficulty spike from revengeance

[frozen hornet]

Also assuming you mean RTN, it already got a buff

[small timber]

and Malice is spiked too much compare to rev, or even death

so it kinda still need to exist

[eternal escarp]

well yeah but Malice pretty much is based on current Deathmode AIs iirc

doesnt matter if it was active on not when you enabled Malice

i think

[small timber]

(just make Malice activable only on Death problem solved, it is Death AI on crack anyway)

[eternal escarp]

i mean seeing as this change just happaned i dont see whats the issue tbh

Malice pretty much enables death anyways so

[small timber]

ya just that Death Malice actually have slight difference to Rev Malice (as the indicator only have 1 icon now)

unless they remove the damage amp on Death (and the debuff amp)

[eternal escarp]

e

i wont be surprised if those small random additions would be gone

[small timber]

ya, because currently it do double stacked

[tardy smelt]

i'll see wut my killtime is

i'll be sure to test everything with more or less the same setup for consistency's sake

which's also kinda trying to minmax minion slots w/o using profaned soul artifact cos it makes my buff slots get funky

[cobalt heath]

tbh the light nerf underground needs to go

in death

[small timber]

ya the lighting one going is good, other I actually dont mind too much

(except the missing 1 pixel of wall instantly burn to death in space thing which could had been fixed just by tweaking)

[tardy smelt]

by the way, howdchu use virid during said nohit?

like, did you only use the damage from the spinny thingy or did you also use the target attack?

[frozen hornet]

Mostly the spinny

Only used the right click when polter floats around and isn't dashing

also I realized that the last time I used it I apparently had a bug that made it so every projectile gets deleted when they touch enemies

[cobalt heath]

the light wasnt diffucult just annoying

[frozen hornet]

Isn't it removed

[cobalt heath]

yeah, thats why wasnt

[lucid flare]

should i make a suggestion...aboug renaming the exo mechs treasure "bag"

unless it's actually already named the treasure box and im too illiterate to notice😬

[frozen hornet]

I'm pretty sure it's still treasure bag

[small timber]

I think it is not named "treasure bag" is intentional

the purpose is to differs it from the other treasure bag and make it more unique

[lucid flare]

no im p sure it's still named "treasure bag"

even though its a box

even though scal's lootbga is named the trrasure coffer

[small timber]

juts like how Scal treasure bag is "Treasure Coffer" (although that one still have treasure in the name)

how wait I accidently confused Exo Box name with the treasure bag

ya I think it is good

[small timber]

@tribal narwhal DoG changes the colour of the entire sky in even Revengeance Mode when he change his AI, while this may not be obvious at first but it is simply part of the learning process

[tribal narwhal]

it stays black for the entire fight in death mode

[small timber]

if you are referring to Death Mode then it should be acknowledged that Death Mode is played by generally more experienced people who have at least some knowledge of how the boss works (just like how king slime and DS are allowed to be difficult in Rev and especially death)

I dont think using Death Mode as an argument is solid, you are expected to have a good idea of the boss if you are playing Death Mode, at least that is the assumption

[tribal narwhal]

the changing of AIs is unpredictable for the most part, and the acceleration is instant. I get that Death Mode is supposed to be hard, but I feel that there should at least be some time to react the speed change

[small timber]

and changing 1 out of 2 of its main AI to some extend might be considered as a rather large scale rework, though I dont know the particular of how it is considered

it is less that "Death Mode is supposed to be hard", but more that "you are expected to be more experienced if you are playing Death Mode", particularly that you might be expected to had played the mod in lower difficulty before

Revengence is generally the considered "standard difficulty", which is why exclusively using Death Mode for reference can be unfair

[tribal narwhal]

I realize that Death Mode has elements that are supposed to be unfair, but 700 damage due to a speed change that's nigh impossible to see coming seems kinda harsh

[small timber]

I actually don't think he move that much faster in Death Mode, at the very least not due to the AI you mentioned

I don't remember DoG become faster because it change to crawltipede AI, it just randomly gain speed boost at later phase

the turning speed yes, it turns sharper with crawltipede AI

[tribal narwhal]

I tested it today, and he did speed up due to the AI change.

[small timber]

really, that is surprising, you mean the speed up for like later part of Phase 2 where he randomly massively accelerated right?

not just the usual speed boost when his AI change

[tribal narwhal]

If you mean the times where he goes off screen super fast that's not what I mean

[small timber]

particularly I mean when he is chasing you then he suddenly gain like 50% increased speed to lunge at you

[grim tusk]

Yet you can still look at your buffs

Extreme gravity is worm, the other one is crawltipede

[tribal narwhal]

If I'm looking at the buffs I can't dodge him reliably

[grim tusk]

You are probably not using defensive accessories arent you

[tribal narwhal]

I am

[grim tusk]

Which?

[small timber]

sorry for this one since I don't have extremely accurate AI information, his massive random acceleration at "A God does not fear death" phase is due to AI change?

[grim tusk]

And how many?

[small timber]

or he just randomly gain speed at a timer

[grim tusk]

AI change

[tribal narwhal]

its not the "A God does not fear death", as he was doing it before that

[grim tusk]

Worm phase in general is faster than crawltipede (if you are not flying) from my experience

[small timber]

before "A God does not fear death" his acceleration is generally "you can deal with it", it is not extremely fast to the point of unreactable

it is later part of that phase where he just randomly zoom towards you

[grim arch]

i have one suggestion i want to add a

[tribal narwhal]

As for defensive accessories, Elysian Aegis, Affliction, Absorber, and Deific Amulet if you want to count it

[small timber]

especially since now you can parry his head bite with aegis

[grim arch]

https://tenor.com/view/giant-enemy-spider-sr-pelo-spider-gif-19063105

[grim tusk]

Already exists

!wiki astrum aureus

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Astrum_Aureus

[grim arch]

aureus is a spider?

[grim tusk]

Robot spider

[grim arch]

[tribal narwhal]

The situations where the acceleration is too fast to react too is the times when you dodge just past his head with the dash, and then speeds up and deals 70% of your health

[small timber]

(although easily confused with crab because he moved horizontally in 2D)

[tribal narwhal]

at that point the dash would be on cooldown

[west jackal]

Dog doesn’t need any nerfs lmao

[grim arch]

yeah

[small timber]

this one from my experience generally is avoidable if you dodge at more precise timing, particularly to be angled to dash past his head because even at crawltipede stage he can't turn 180 degree instantly

it might be "not avoidable" when you are expecting a consistent speed then he suddenly gain 50% acceleration and zoom towards you, but that one I think is dodgeable

[tribal narwhal]

It’s a little hard to time when you don’t know when he will change to crawltipede

[west jackal]

Sky

[small timber]

the assumption I always use is "he is always crawltipede"

and I dodge his head by always flying, that way no matter if he is worm or crawltipede he always chase me

[tribal narwhal]

In hindsight having the thing removed entirely is very extreme, so probably just a warning would be better

[west jackal]

When I fight him he’s offscreen when he changes into crawl ai

Then you just fly diagonal and you shred

[tribal narwhal]

That’s how I fight him, but he is always faster than the player in phase 2, and even still it’s hard to tell when he will actually change to crawltipede

[small timber]

You stay on ground until you see him start chasing you, when he is close you start flying up

When in the air it do not matter if he is crawtipede or worm he always chase you, and if timed precisely and you dash pass his head no matter his AI he cant turn

[tribal narwhal]

I do all those things, and I have turned as sharp as possible without hitting his head, and crawltipede AI will happen out of nowhere and he is able to turn fast enough

[small timber]

I think I get what your suggestionn is referring, but you need to word it slightly differently

[tribal narwhal]

Agreed

I think a better option instead of removing it altogether would be to make him slightly change to the color of the AI he’s about to switch to

[small timber]

Since the usual AI change is totally dodgeable, it is when later he randomly move at speed of light that it is undodgeable, but the suggestionn sounds like "always indicate crawltipede change" which make death mode black sky practically useless

Not sure how you should word it tbh

[tribal narwhal]

It’s dodgeabale when you are far enough away, but when playing a class that require you to get close it’s almost impossible

[small timber]

I think you should mention "A God does not fear death" phase since particularly on that phase he speed up to absurd degree, then otherwise probably let others to see how it can be worded

[tribal narwhal]

I’m thinking of saying something along the lines of “DoG switches from Crawltipede to worm AI with little to no warning, with Crawltipede AI giving him increased movement and turning speed. This is further amplified by the “A God does not fear death” phase, which gives him a sizable speed boost. There should be a subtle warning that he is about to change AI so that the player has a chance to prepare for the increase in maneuverability.” Is that better?

[small timber]

ya much clearer for what you are trying to say

[tribal narwhal]

Ok

[small timber]

I think just add that onto what you currently have, and probably good?

[tribal narwhal]

Got it.

[ruby plover]

i know this is only in modes under death, but perhaps having the colour background have a transition from purple to blue, instead of a straight up change would be good

also it looks a bit weird (specifically at night, when it's most visible) when the background suddenly vastly changes colours

[tribal narwhal]

Yeah

What I was thinking was having him slightly change color to signify AI change

Add a warning for when Devourer of Gods is going to switch AIs

DoG switches from Crawltipede to worm AI with little to no warning, especially in Death mode where the sky is always black. Switching to Crawltipede AI gives him increased movement and turning speed. This is further amplified by the “A God does not fear death” phase, which gives him a sizable speed boost already. In cases of being near his head due to weapon ranges, this can cause high damage, unfair hits due to the player not knowing he was going to switch. There should be a subtle warning that he is about to change AI so that the player has a chance to prepare for the increase in his maneuverability.

A possible warning could be to have DoG himself slightly change color before his AI changes. If he is about to change to Crawltipede AI, he could change to a subtle blue, and a subtle purple for Worm AI.

How does that look

[small timber]

after testing it more, the only warning that it currently has is it switch Ai at around 15 sec

at least Rev

which is like, bad, for telegraph

[tribal narwhal]

the wiki says that he switches AI’s more frequently in death mode

[small timber]

and 11 second for Death Mode

this is scuffed

at least it dont decrease with lower hp like many Death Mode AI

it is exactly 11 seconds I think

when he reach "A God does not fear death" phase

[tribal narwhal]

I guess that’s more reason to have a warning

[small timber]

and I think it do randomly gain speedup, just not as drastic as the AI change

like instead of 50% acceleration he gain like 20%, randomly, particularly when the player is not in a straight line to his head, he will get speed up so he can line up his head to the player

[tribal narwhal]

I think that explains why the speed boosts feel so much more drastic when dodging, as he gains speed from the player not being in front of him, along with the AI change

[small timber]

ya, I thought it was weird that it is only AI change, turns out it is both

I never intentionally turn on god mode to test it so I never realize

[unborn siren]

sometimes it feels like he "stops attacking you" while charging directly at you, then speeding up and dealing hundreds of damage with too little time to realistically react and dodge

[small timber]

ya that is the AI change, since in later phase he change to crawltipede for only like 0.5 sec, and crawltipede gain speed boost but don't attack ground unit

basically he stop attacking you but the speedboost carry on when it change back to worm AI

[cobalt heath]

why nerf dog instead of buffing him

[ruby plover]

buffing or nerfing a boss isn't necessarily doing either to every aspect of the fight, and this suggestion is asking to nerf one aspect

also, making an attack easier to deal with doesn't always mean that's a nerf

[small timber]

I don't think giving proper telegraph is not considered a "nerf", it is for better design

[cobalt pewter]

delete dog would be better iirc

[golden tulip]

[sleek wadi]

Hoping something changes with that DoG resprite or the distortion, mans got more downtime in between attacks than some pre-HM bosses

[untold pagoda]

sans pfp

but yeah thats true

[cobalt heath]

dog is never fine and always needs changes

[untold pagoda]

sotrue

[cobalt heath]

whats the mod that changes bosses drasticly and is for calamity

[untold pagoda]

infernum

only up to golem tho

[cobalt heath]

infernum dog is only dog fight i find good

[sleek wadi]

DoG has been a problem child for the mod yeah, dude couldn't go 2 patches without getting changed

[cobalt heath]

cause worm ai

bad

[untold pagoda]

me when dog isnt public

(lol)

[golden tulip]

its not sans

[sand ermine]

DoG is like that one friend who says they'll be improving on themselves (exercising more, going to therapy, etc) but then lays down on their couch and starts eating popcorn

[untold pagoda]

right sorry

its snas

[golden tulip]

its Snut

[cobalt heath]

yeah but it still looks very good

[untold pagoda]

cause his right eye is glowing

[sleek wadi]

I myself think his core concept just doesn't fit for post-ML but its much easier to argue for giving him less downtime between attacks than to practically delete and replace him

[untold pagoda]

not the left

[golden tulip]

infernum dog is epic

[untold pagoda]

honestly dog should do more with his teleports

[golden tulip]

but we shouldnt do the funny "infernum > calamity"

[untold pagoda]

yea

but still

dog needs changes

[golden tulip]

agreed

but boss suggestions never get in

[untold pagoda]

and not like "ooo look at this cool teleport"

or "ooo targeted laserrrr"

[cobalt heath]

i wont have the debate over infernum vs calamity

but my god does it do dog so well

[golden tulip]

i just dont get why fabsol is too proud to admit dog needs changes or something

[untold pagoda]

he just is

its a rule of nature at this point

[golden tulip]

providence, epic hard boss, dog, lazy pushover of a joke, yharon, hard as fuck dragon

like

thats what it feels like rn

[untold pagoda]

i guess it fits with his character

[sleek wadi]

Because DoG isn't glaringly poorly designed

[untold pagoda]

dog is a dumbass afterall

[cobalt heath]

like dog has good theme, lore etc but the fight is so meh

[untold pagoda]

good lore

lo

it feels like a shitpost about worm overlords

[cobalt pewter]

tbh the only real thing DoG has going on is the theme

[untold pagoda]

even that isnt that great

btw scourge of the universe > universal collapse

cope

[golden tulip]

idek what the randomized grid in the changelog means not even some devs do

[sleek wadi]

All of its attacks are pretty competently designed, it handles anti-pierce/explosives well, you have to think kinda hard to find issues in him

[cobalt pewter]

ask Fab

[golden tulip]

blocked

[cobalt pewter]

cope

[golden tulip]

unfortunately

lol

i still dont know why

[untold pagoda]

the problem isnt his attacks

its the lack of attacks

he has like 3 attacks

[golden tulip]

when the endgame boss has like 3 attacks

[untold pagoda]

so true

[sleek wadi]

Slow him down a bit, lower his stats accordingly, DoG would work great in like post-mechs HM

[untold pagoda]

honestly the attacks are fine, but they could use a little tweaking

[golden tulip]

dog post mechs

😐

[untold pagoda]

the one big problem with dog is just the lack of attacks

he has a teleport but barely uses it

he can shoot fire but barely does it

[sleek wadi]

But in post-ML? Him just leaving you completely safe for 15 seconds after each lunge is bruh

[golden tulip]

he shoots 1 tiny fireball every like 10 seconds when you have the mobility of a speed demon

[sleek wadi]

His fireball is so lame btw, feels hella restrained for a not-at-all-restrained giant serpent

[untold pagoda]

yea

dog didnt change a lot over the course of four years

[cobalt heath]

dog isnt rapid enough, he doesnt do anything and his attacks are so easy to dodge

[golden tulip]

the sprites did :clueless

[cobalt heath]

it needs faster attacks

[untold pagoda]

oooo cool sprit

(it is pretty cool)

[cobalt heath]

like dog is really good looking atm

[golden tulip]

you gotta admit though calamity's sprites are top level

[untold pagoda]

true

[cobalt heath]

but it needs pace

[sleek wadi]

Needs more to do when he misses that charge, the tiny spit fireball is not cutting it

[untold pagoda]

he needs to do more in general

this fight does not fit post ml at all

let alone post polterghast

[golden tulip]

about the new suggestion

[sleek wadi]

My skill-deficient ass shouldn't be consistently getting 3 adrens in post-ML

[golden tulip]

wasnt this exact suggestion made like a week ago

[untold pagoda]

the drops?

[golden tulip]

a good guaranteed old duke drop

[untold pagoda]

hm

idk

the viltronic thing is pretty cool tho

the drops are good

[golden tulip]

tbf i dont fight calamity's optional bosses for their drops

they all suck

[cobalt heath]

only problematic bosses are imo dog and his goons. But goons are getting changes yet dog remains the same

[fleet igloo]

Wasn't it also me talking about this sugg a week ago though

[golden tulip]

idk

i forgot who it was

[fleet igloo]

It's just that I only got around to posting it just now

[untold pagoda]

i barely check suggs lo

[cobalt pewter]

dog is a worm boss yet nothing he does really capitalizes that fact

not that worm boss is a good thing anyways

[cobalt heath]

and we know they can do good worm bosses

thanatos is a great example of a good worm boss

[cobalt pewter]

but like, if you replace dog as not a worm boss, he'd still work exactly the same

[untold pagoda]

aquatic scourge is a good boss

and hes a worm

[golden tulip]

the only worm npc that you might forget is a worm is Sepulcher, because its attacks and sprites are so well made

[untold pagoda]

the problem isnt that hes a worm

the problem is hes an uninteresting worm

[cobalt pewter]

hence my point that he won't be any different as not a worm boss

[untold pagoda]

o

i didnt see that

[cobalt pewter]

it's fine

[sleek wadi]

I think DoG kinda suffers from being a flying worm at that. I have a pie-in-the-sky dream for DoG where the fight would be changed to an enclosed fixed arena fight with unusual terrain, utilizing that dimension he has in lore

[untold pagoda]

dog suffers from prideful owner

[cobalt heath]

dog needs a forced down arena

[sleek wadi]

Calamity has a ton of worms but no underground ones

[golden tulip]

thats not true

[untold pagoda]

armored digger

[golden tulip]

yea

[untold pagoda]

trol

[sleek wadi]

Oh right that thing that hasn't spawned for me in 5 runs now

[golden tulip]

same

[untold pagoda]

moment

[golden tulip]

and they made it even less common :troll

[fleet igloo]

Underground worm boss would probably either be extremely hard or making the arena would be very tedious

[untold pagoda]

aight gtg

[sleek wadi]

No need to make an arena if the arena is fixed

[golden tulip]

perferators go underground technically

[untold pagoda]

c ya

[golden tulip]

cya

[cobalt heath]

dog needs a full rework tbh

just do it infernum way and admit fans can sometimes do it better

[cobalt pewter]

about the sugg for OD

why does there need to be a new drop? they can just buff his existing drops to last longer if they haven't already

[golden tulip]

ye

[golden tulip]

infernum dog isnt even done yet

[cobalt pewter]

dom is a cal dev.

[cobalt heath]

i know but its not official and never prolly will be

[unique vector]

guys

its 4 in the fucking morning

[cobalt pewter]

either way, back to OD

why does there need to be new drops yea

[golden tulip]

^

[unique vector]

can we not go on random ass weird tangents comparing non calamity mods to calamity

istg some of yall sound like armchair game designers

[cobalt heath]

we'll change the subject now to the new sugg

[unique vector]

thank you

[cobalt pewter]

I didn't intend to bring up infernum, just dog

anyways yeah, had to mention the sugg again 2 times

[unique vector]

well whatever started it dont bring it up again

we have enough mod drama as is

[fleet igloo]

Admittedly the OD thing is just "me no like grinding bosses, me want good thing first try"