suggestions-discussion

[eternal escarp]

you cant have 2 suggestions in 1 message

they have to be a message each

[exotic stag]

yeah i was about to say

[worn cobalt]

well slowmode

[eternal escarp]

yeah just

[exotic stag]

i was about to say thats two sugg's in one

[worn cobalt]

can somebody vouch for me lol

[eternal escarp]

wait for it to pass

[sleek wadi]

You can wait it out

[worn cobalt]

like can somebody say it for me

[exotic stag]

well

[eternal escarp]

the world will infact wait

[worn cobalt]

or will that cause problems

[exotic stag]

you can wait

[worn cobalt]

alr

[exotic stag]

its what? 5 minutes?

[eternal escarp]

10

[worn cobalt]

10

[sleek wadi]

Can only post 2 a day anyway

[exotic stag]

yeah you can wait 10 minutes

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[worn cobalt]

i have to keep my copy paste steadily in hand lol

[eternal escarp]

paste it somewhere

and then repaste

open notepad or smthn

[small timber]

Probably should mention malice in the title, since non-malice brothers getting nerfed do not make sense (they are already not strong)

[vocal ivy]

they're not gonna nerf malice brothers though

[worn cobalt]

well i think people can agree that something needs to change with those two

[vocal ivy]

Ferb, I know what we're going to do today!

[small timber]

Rework is far away from what suggestion can do

[fossil finch]

you are not

trolled

and, again, i think fabsol already wants to change them whenever their resprites roll around anyway

so get trolled

[small timber]

So the best is improve on current circumstances

[fossil finch]

get even

janded

[vocal ivy]

oh right calclone resprite

[exotic stag]

blob resprite.

[worn cobalt]

are there any ideas of what that looks like

[fossil finch]

yes

[worn cobalt]

do tell

how do i see

[small timber]

Calamity-mod-talk pins

[fossil finch]

you unlock the ancient power of searching

[worn cobalt]

the brothers should just spawn then instantly combust into flames and despawn

S tier suggstion

[small timber]

Is a boss getting a resprite section

[vocal ivy]

1 att IMDEAD brothers no wasd hardcore weapons no accessories no keyboard no mouse no armor lol

[cursive briar]

I Do feel like something cool could be done with them, ex. having them move in relation to the player for the duration of the phase while the main threat is calclone, similar to artemis and apollo perhaps

[vocal ivy]

no please don't make cal clone even more similar to scal

[cursive briar]

🌝

[hollow shell]

@timber nova Bad. Don't do that.

[stiff wren]

NOOOOOOO ITS GONE

[hollow shell]

Also,
Buff all summoner weapons?

[cursive briar]

@worn cobalt nitpick but you mention mounted scanner twice

[small timber]

@worn cobalt buff suggetion have the tendency to get denied if you are unable to provide solid stats (kill time, dps etc)

Especially ALL weapon is just not gonna happen (when suggesting buffing 1 is already difficult)

[worn cobalt]

sorry not all summon weapon buffs

[small timber]

Multiple weapons too, as there is no way to provide stats for all of them

[worn cobalt]

yeah i mentioned moounted scanner twice because its like, the best of the worst at that stage

its also less of damage problems, more of just forcing your playstyle to be so incredibly aggressive

[cobalt heath]

is clearing how to spawn draedon on devs plans

cause i dont wanna do a useless sugg about it

[distant gyro]

no

i think everyone on the team agrees that the clues are clear enough

[cobalt heath]

it could be a little more clear tbh

[cursive briar]

Nah I think its fine, I'm pretty sure you can find out via looking at the recipes auric tesla uses

[sleek wadi]

Only issue I could see with the current clues is if you don't find the right lab first, otherwise they're fine.

[distant gyro]

A. desert scourge is the first boss of the mod, likely to be fought
B. desert scourge, when killed, drops a status message that leads you to below the desert
C. the sunken sea schematics lead you to space
D. the space schematic (and further encrypted schematics) tells you what components are needed
E. when encrypted, the addendums tell you where the next schematic is located
repeat until draedon

[cobalt heath]

aight

[distant gyro]

making it easier than this can kinda make it feel like handholding

[cobalt heath]

only boss that really needs changes is my boi dog

that fight atm is just not menacing

its like fighting a bodybuilder who is wheelchaired

yeah he can deal damage and kill you

[small timber]

Is there any hint for normal non-biome lab to point to sunken sea biome lab?

[cobalt heath]

but like how he gonna move

[eternal escarp]

its existance providing the materials

to which you can talk to the guide and see recipes

for the schematics

[cobalt heath]

dogs catchup should be the level of thanatos

time to write it

[small timber]

No I mean specifically pointing to any biome labs, not necessary the base code breaker

Since if you havent find any schematic or find them out of order it is very difficult to get what it does

(which for new player who might no even aware biome lab exist, is a possibility)

[eternal escarp]

oh well

no

actually

yes

theres a whole item dedicated for them

the compasses

theres one for each biome lab iirc

[small timber]

What if sometimes non-biome draedon lab spawn sunken sea seeking mechanism in chest?

[eternal escarp]

you craft them

they dont spawn in them

[small timber]

No I mean for suggestion, to address what I said above

[eternal escarp]

ah

[distant gyro]

the desert scourge is supposed to point you there

now what points you to the desert scourge is a better question

[small timber]

Ya but at the sametime Sunken Sea is actually a rather large biome, especially that navystone is hard to mine with pickaxe

[distant gyro]

usually boss checklist does the job but boss checklist is also not calamity

like in this case

[small timber]

make desert scourge display spawn message when reaching 200HP to indicate player to move to desert and make DS auto-spawn like EoC

[distant gyro]

draedon is probably one of the clearer boss spawn pointers

people are just clueless because everyone embraces that boss checklist is a part of the game and draedon's checklist spawn description does a hefty amount of trolling

[small timber]

I think one problem is just it becomes clueless when finding them out of order

[distant gyro]

and now you have to think/read, impossible

[small timber]

Because for player who play a lot of vanilla unironically they always find space biome lab first

Due to trying to get sky island loot

What if each schematic hint its previous one (in tier)

[cobalt heath]

that

[distant gyro]

maybe

[cobalt heath]

cause i was so confused on what to do

cause i found them off order

[sleek wadi]

I could see someone reasonably finding ice or sky lab before sunken sea lab

[small timber]

Ice is pure random, but ya space is very likely

It is directly above spawn point

[cobalt heath]

i think i found sky first cause sunken sea 1st and never rly found the sunken sea one cause as a rogue i didnt need anything from there

i had to look up a guide

then found it

[small timber]

And this making exploration just post-DS actually rather difficult

Since if you "chose one side to explore" you have 50/50 to never find sunken sea lab

[cobalt heath]

who gonna make the sugg

[small timber]

I will have to wait for tomorrow if you want me to do it, so probably someone else

[cobalt heath]

ill give you credit

[small timber]

No need to give credit

Just post it, credit is unnecessary

No one will complain if it is a reasonable and welcoming change, no matter who post it

[sleek wadi]

Trying to think of how best to solve this. Problem is finding sky or ice lab before sunken sea thus throwing off the order, should those labs in particular get a seeker mechanism in their chest or something?

[small timber]

This probably can work

[cobalt heath]

i am doing the sugg based on that

[sleek wadi]

Sky and ice are the ones I highlight because ice biome exploration is done mostly pre-boss and sky is super easy to find once you start going for sky island loot

[small timber]

Ice can be rather random, since it is a large biome, and generally people dont explore it pre-boss (if death mode because haha freezy water)

[sleek wadi]

Death mode freezy water is not gonna be a thing anymore and half of snow biome's value across the entire game is its good pre-boss weapons

The other half of its value is start-of-HM for cryogen and cryonic

Still RNG yes but feasible.

[cobalt heath]

there it is

[small timber]

I think mentioned your own solution (the use as weapon...) part is an Example and it will be fine, as otherwise when specifics are given the suggestion become "devs do exactly this"

[crude geode]

Surprising tnemunom’s sugg is considered valid

[cobalt heath]

isnt it too short

and not explanatory enough

[gray nebula]

sazed so fucking sazed

[crude geode]

@rough venture massive over generalization

[gray nebula]

nono its true contact damage being always on is a fraud

be it in terraria or in any other game.

especially in a game where melee is an option

[exotic stag]

especially in a game where half the bosses look like their charging at you

[crude geode]

I agree it being on every single boss is unnecessary but this is something that can’t just be slapped on every boss

[dusty path]

Imagine an absurd amount of damage in a touch

[crude geode]

See: cryogen, or any worm boss

[dusty path]

My enemy does that

[exotic stag]

also some bosses that look like their charging but may not be.

like slowly moving towards you.

[gray nebula]

slowly moving towards you doesnt sound very chargelike to me

😐

ofc it cant be applied litterally everywhere but i agree with the sentiment

[crude geode]

Hence why it needs to be refined?

[dusty path]

Suddenly takes sonic speed and zooms on you

[fossil finch]

i do agree the sugg should not generalize

[crude geode]

The entire boss type of worms relies upon it lmao

[lucid flare]

me when i take damage by walking into a stationary enemy

[sleek wadi]

Dynamic contact damage epic, although I think the sugg could use better reasoning

[hollow shell]

@rough venture This would be quite a significant change. You need more reasoning to support why it should happen

[crude geode]

I agree with the sentiment but it's super unrefined and needs more reasoning

[sleek wadi]

I could see why PBG would be dangerous to touch, but not a fucking crab

[hollow shell]

one sec

[sleek wadi]

Let me hug the perfect one

and have it die easier to true melee than it already does

[crude geode]

since you're here rover what do you think about exclaiming their other sugg? it feels super biased and doesn't have much reasoning

[hollow shell]

Yes it is also quite weak but I was less sure of it

[lucid flare]

yea but someone already made a better suggestion (slowing them down iirc)

[hollow shell]

He could definitely be more specific though, looking at it

[sleek wadi]

Scarabeus from Spirit mod got dynamic contact damage and that was sick

[hollow shell]

I have no idea if this is still a thing

Or how much of an effect it has

[sleek wadi]

I'd have to test in 1.5 to see how much it actually helps but I'd be down for it getting outright disabled on some bosses. Fab seems open to that too as Exo Twins don't have contact damage unless they're charging.

Theres a good sugg here just not good reasoning

[lucid flare]

i mean normally you wouldn't make contact with the exo twins at all since they're always a set distance away fromthe player

[sleek wadi]

You can still do it via GS dash

Exo twins don't keep their distance perfectly so after you dash they have to go back into position, during which you can get into contact

You can also get into contact with Artemis during ohio beam but I'm not sure if it has contact damage during that.

[rough venture]

i wish all Terraria bosses did that

[fossil finch]

It is

at least i asked in wiki disc because it is not documented

And it supposedly is

[sleek wadi]

Don't think dynamic contact damage like that would fit on every boss, some for thematic reasons and others for practical ones, but it should be done more.

[drowsy plank]

honestly i think the contact damage is fine and part of most fights cause you want to avoid the part that's shooting projectiles anyway in fights where the body is not an active element, and most of the big offenders for having contact be annoying, mostly bosses that have dashes and position themselves in specific locations relative to the player, have had the problem mostly recuperated by having audio cues, like PBG. her sister qb has very telegraphed dashes, and bosses like perfs, mind, and cryo typically seem to give you a decent amount of time to react, plus cryo is getting a rework next update anyway, so i see no reason to remove contact damage.

tho i think everyone agreed dynamic contact would be good, tho we do already have it to some degree if that changelog is correct.

[frozen hornet]

Cryo rework? First I've heard of that

[sleek wadi]

We do have it already, the sugg is just asking to go all the way to contact damage disable.

I could see twins, cryogen, brimmy, clone, anahita, and LC all benefitting from such a change

[sand ermine]

Contact damage is fine

It doesn't need to be removed

In fact I feel as if it makes Calamity better for a reason\

Makes you learn very quickly that you can't just get away with getting hit by a boss a few times

[sleek wadi]

OKay but does contact damage REALLY add anything to some of these fights?

Are the Twins made any better by not being able to touch them outside of dashes? or Anahita, or LC, etc.

Contact damage on everything feels like a vanilla relic, and a relic that Calamity is not afraid to remove. They already purged it from projectile focused mobs and have contact damage toggles for Exo Twins and Astrum Aureus. Contact damage also contributes to why melee feels like its manaless mage as you can't get close to these bosses without eating their usually most damaging attack.

[austere cargo]

reducing the contact damage would be better than eliminating it

[dusty stirrup]

Contact damage is hella cringe

[sleek wadi]

Nah just eliminate it from some bosses, it already reduces itself when the boss is going slower and some bosses really don't need it considering their projectile focus

LC isn't gonna try to run up and punch you and he's just a guy, why does touching him hurt?

[fossil finch]

Did you know the enemy with highest contact damage in vanilla is the tim hardmode upgrade

Rune Mage

Dude deals 800 damage on master

He doesn't even walk

I love

Those at least have teeth

[cobalt pewter]

600*

on master mode

[fossil finch]

For vanilla that's like the same damage value if you think about it

[cobalt pewter]

reducing the instances at which a boss can deal contact damage is better than straight up yeeting it, kinda like Scarabeus

[fossil finch]

Anywyas yeah for reference that's a heavy attack from, say, EXOS

[cobalt pewter]

just admit you got ratiod

either way

[fossil finch]

[sleek wadi]

its more than a heavy attack from exos, because you can reasonably survive that heavy attack. Only way you're surviving a hug from master rune mage is with life force and some defense invesetment

[grim tusk]

All of the summons you mentioned with the exception of Sand sharknado staff are from mech tier, not post-Plant

Ofc they are not going to do well on say Levi

[hollow shell]

I do indeed like the concept of enemies/bosses dealing no contact damage until they do an attack

Dead Cells being a good example

(And Hollow Knight not being a good example weirdly enough, despite a majority of the enemies having defined attacks, they still got contact damage)

[cobalt pewter]

Dead Cells rarely use conditional contact damage even as far as I'm aware, it's not a lot of cases that I can think off the top of my head

like Thorny spin, Lacerator beyblade spin, and Royal Guard / HotK charge

[hollow shell]

Yeah but those are still attacks

[cobalt pewter]

indeed

[hollow shell]

They don't have contact damage by default

The only things in Dead Cells that have contact damage are like
traps
The rotating spike balls and of course floor spikes

[cobalt pewter]

yeah, the traps, and maybe lava in Cavern too

either way

contact damage can be vile

[unique vector]

@vestal ether we arent taking any suggestions for new bosses or concepts

[vestal ether]

o ok

[unique vector]

please read the “don’ts” document pinned in that channel if u want to suggest something in the future!

[vestal ether]

ok

[small timber]

@ashen warren changing crafting station is usually not just "QoL", it will be a tier-shift, namely that it turns from post-Cultist accessory (which will be the tier where all lunar weapons (the 4 fragments)) are at to basically pre-Plantera

and Heart of the Elements is balanced around being a post-cultist accessory, and it no longer have scaling so that don't work too

it is the same reason Absorber is locked behind Ancient Manipulator, despite its material being able to obtain much earlier, because it is strong to be post-Cultist

[sleek wadi]

In this case it would tier-shift it from ML tier to around Plant, so it'd need a whole rebalance

Still brings it to post-plant

[small timber]

it will be the equivalent of changing 4 fragments weapon to post-plantera and rebalance them, so ya can be difficult

especially considering one of the strength of heart of the elements is the fact that it combines effect (particularly the healing orb), not necessary the damage part

generally tier-shifting suggestion is difficult to get pass unless it is a really good idea (but currently HotE is sitting nicely as a viable post-Cultist accessory)

[cobalt pewter]

the crafting station is part of the item tiering

though I don't see why HotE needs to be post cultist atm

[sleek wadi]

Could instead make it feel more appropriate at post-cultist by adding a fragment to the recipe or something

[small timber]

oh ya I forgot that HotE is now a pure summoner accessory that give massive power boost so it is even more unlikely to happen

[sleek wadi]

The issue seems to be that you can get everything to make way before the game allows you to craft it, so if there was a material in it on its intended tier it wouldn't feel bad to have all these mats but be unable to use em

[small timber]

I mean it will just be the same, except feels "less bad", practically the only thing it does is give it additional cost

[sleek wadi]

It would be but as long as the additional material is like, 5 stardust frags or something small like that then we solve the feel-bad issue without needing a rebalance

[small timber]

wait grand gelatin get changed

so probably just absorber then, absorber and HotE that has material that is acquired way earlier than its crafting station

[sleek wadi]

Absorber could also use something similar but I don't know what materials on tier that'd fit it. You could slap a fragment in HotE because its an elemental item, fragments are kinda key to their theming.

[small timber]

I think absorber is way too powerful for pre-Cultist that it 100% have to be nerfed to shift, HotE is currently balanced as post-Cultist so kinda have to rebalance them

[sleek wadi]

I'm putting a tier-shift as a non-starter. This sugg is mostly a feel issue so the solution I'm thinking would be something small that patches that up

[small timber]

you can suggest adding fragment (or in absorber case maybe galactica singularity), but really it will just be additional cost

ya shifting crafting station will be undesired, at least not practical unless really good reason is provided

[sleek wadi]

Yeah just sugg to toss in stardust fragments to HotE's recipe. Fixes the feel issue and is a negligible increase in crafting cost

[small timber]

I will be honest shifting crafting station will very likely get denied, so probably entire suggestion based on recipe change

seems good (at least to my also not very good English)

depends, sometimes small things like this is the first to get changed when it get accepted (as the change is easy)

[sleek wadi]

It being small actually increases its chances. If it gets approval that kind of change takes like, 2 minutes to implement.

If it gets to the devs, they'll probably spend longer discussing it than implementing it.

[small timber]

@glossy stone If I remember correctly specifically for DoG (cosmilite bar) the devs have some plan, for Providence it is weird, as it do have a resource minable (uelibloom bar) so it probably is more straight forward to make providence drop more geode

[glossy stone]

[small timber]

also this #suggestions-voting message

[glossy stone]

I'll still leave it just for Provi, geodes shouldn't drop just from her

[small timber]

ya maybe, or even normal profaned enemy drop geode after providence is killed (like current bloodstone although it is likely gonna change)

[glossy stone]

Changed it a bit

[small timber]

I will not exactly says it serve "no purpose", but knowing that they spawn is still important as they are very likely to spawn outside of the screen

[cursive briar]

I Think its a pretty meaningless suggestion, the spawn message for them doesn't really get in the way or have any negative consequences

Its also pretty helpful in DoG so you know when exactly the worms spawn

[solid tartan]

I don't understand the point of a practice mode

[runic harbor]

It would only be useful for yharon, exo mech, and scal

[solid tartan]

it's nonsensical especially if you consider that

• you can just create a new world/character and practice using hero's mod
• practicing a boss without having beat it even once is nonsense, it's supposed to be something you have to progress through step by step
• that sounds like something extraordinarily hard to create when you can just do what I've mention in the first point

[runic harbor]

It would be useful if you could pick the phase It will be at

But otherwise it would not

[golden tulip]

a practice mode doesnt really work in terraria

[solid tartan]

Like, I'm not an advocate for "playing the game the way it's intended to be played" but I don't understand how a practice mode would help you, if you die at an earlier stage you apparently need to practice that stage

Even if it's a trivial, nonsensical death, it's just all about waiting 5 seconds, pressing the B button and using the boss summon

To be fair, I just don't see how a practice mode would fit in the game, both "visually", from a "mechanics" view and gameplay-wise

[worn cobalt]

Yes… but then what summons are you supposed to use

Plantation staff is single use, as well as sun god

[fossil finch]

wait until you learn about the funny crow staff

[worn cobalt]

And all the other weapons are also behind bosses that are either unfeasible, too fast, or too chunky for weapons

Did they buff the crow staff?

[fossil finch]

no afaik but it's still viable

[worn cobalt]

The prerequisite for being viable is that ~10 of them do ~1500 damage against fast moving bosses

[fossil finch]

at least don't like
Neglect the vanilla weapon,,,,
Anyways uh I'm pretty sure i did levi with some shit like brimseekers+mounted lasers iirc though those ARE around mech tier

[fossil finch]

No?????

Lol

[stuck flame]

...so no one complains about my suggestion?

[worn cobalt]

Like that does not work as a prerequisite?

[fossil finch]

the requisite of them being viable is that the fights don't last like, 5 minutes

[worn cobalt]

What fight would that not last minutes against

Say, 1k dps, what fight would that not last minutes

[fossil finch]

Read again

[worn cobalt]

I mean, my fights kinda do

What boss would they not be 5 minutes

[fossil finch]

all of them

except idk exos

[worn cobalt]

Levi and Ana have like 200k total health

[fossil finch]

yeah

[worn cobalt]

Plus the fact that anahita is extremely fast for any minion when she dashes, and so as Levi

[fossil finch]

Levi is still extremely fucking big

[worn cobalt]

Could easily add about 100 seconds if you were to rely on the staff

[fossil finch]

Her dashes are irrelevant to the concept of missing

[worn cobalt]

But even then, what do you get from Levi? The gastric belcher barely can attack

[fossil finch]

idk it did a good job for me when i used it on aureus later on

[worn cobalt]

Aureus malice is fast as fuck

[fossil finch]

well yeah I'm not taking malice into account lol

[worn cobalt]

Basically I’m saying that malice runs into a problem that other classes do not

[fossil finch]

too bad!
Remove malice from the mod to fix the problem

[small timber]

#suggestions-posting message I will be honest this probably should get exclaimed, just from the precedent that buff suggestions tend to get denied if solid stats are not provided (especially suggestion like this that covers an entire tier almost)

if you just want summon weapons to have better AI #suggestions-voting message already get into voting

[stuck flame]

Turret

[cobalt heath]

tnenumon really doesnt like cal

brothers face

[golden tulip]

..phase?

[ashen warren]

kinda glad ravager is being moved to solely post provi, cause if nothing else it gives tarragon armor slightly more shelf life than it did prior

[cursive briar]

I Thought tarragon had pretty good shelf-life, all the way up to post-dog

or no wait i'm a huge liar okay you're right

forgot about ruinous soul stuff

[flint sorrel]

Ravager being moved to post-provi?

Is the rage buff still gonna be dropped from him or moved into another boss hm?

[golden tulip]

we dont know any details

just that it will be moved

[fossil finch]

give levi the upgrade i think

or pbg

pbg would fit more ithink

[cobalt pewter]

it won't be that hard to replace the 2nd upgrade

and yes, the only thing we know about rav is that it'll be moved

no guarantees that it'll be post provi

[small timber]

non-stealth rogue item literally... exist?

[exotic stag]

alright someone post the elemental disk image

Someone post it.

[stable musk]

There is SOME non stealth reliable weapons

But they're so few

[exotic stag]

hah.

no theres many many more

[stable musk]

Entire early-hm is just pain

[exotic stag]

xqc post the ele disk image.

[small timber]

I mean it is more attributable to stealth being overpowered not that spam-rogue item are bad

this one? not sure

[exotic stag]

yeah

that one

i cant post it anyway. warned role

Spam rogue is pretty much fine jacobs. no need for "non stealth reliable weapons"

[small timber]

ya as stated above, it is more that stealth is overpowered, spam rogue are actually on performance with other class on tier

[exotic stag]

spam rogue is either: fun as hell to look at. equal with the other classes. or people just want op rogue

[stable musk]

Summoner: why you're standing here, go and fight that goddam plant
Rogue: stealth
Summoner: what
Rogue: ok i can throw now proceeds to wipe 17% of boss' health

[exotic stag]

yeah thats stealth

it doesnt invalidate spam.

Spam is usually good aswell.

[small timber]

ya you about sums it up

[exotic stag]

stealth may be op. but it isnt invalidating

[stable musk]

Ranged: holy frick do it again
Rogue: I can't

[small timber]

because only stealth can delete 17% boss hp immediately while all other class are much more mediocre

[stable musk]

When i was dealing with destroyer
Rogue almost didn't any damage at all
I was just holding equanimity till it dies but no
It became day and destroyer left with 31%

[exotic stag]

yeah you probably had RDR.

[fossil finch]

equanimity is just a bad weapon for destro i think
Also yeah the rdr but that's fixed next update

Where destro just takes very little damage

[small timber]

destroyer is just a gear check so I will not use it for the best example

[stable musk]

I tried fighting twins and won after 30 tries

[small timber]

what are you using against twins?

[stable musk]

Same equanimity

Tried conalt kunai

Didn't success

[small timber]

(probably need to find rogue expert here), but if I remember correctly, isn't equanmity just really bad in general?

stealth or not

[stable musk]

Non stealth

Cobalt too

[cobalt pewter]

to be frank, I wouldn't mind at all if rogue goes full on stealth

uhh

[exotic stag]

me and navis.

[stable musk]

I crafted every fr pre mech rogue weapon

Suggested

[small timber]

I think it was quoted that pre-mech rogue struggle a lot, and only at that point, whether it is stealth or not (except the few OP one like storm razor)

[exotic stag]

^

rogues got pretty much the same shtick as ranger except with an op sideclass. if used right

[stable musk]

Also pre hm

[fossil finch]

I literally beat twins first mech with ice stars, lionfish and enchanted axe

You're just bad iirc

[exotic stag]

i beat twins with the god damn spear of paleolith.

[golden tulip]

enchanted axe is busted

[small timber]

pre-HM is just not comparable with stealth because tracking disk etc (which should be nerfed)

[stable musk]

Tracking disk is really bad without stealth
Lion fish is meh
Enchanted axe is ok
Metal monstrosity is bruh

With stealth everything just obliterates wof

[exotic stag]

yes

[stable musk]

Stealth? Too much dps
No stealth? Too low dps

[cobalt pewter]

it's an issue of balancing then

not sure why adding non-stealth items will help in that case

[exotic stag]

non stealth already is kinda just

its like ranger

[small timber]

then you should slightly change the mentality:

Stealth is the main gimmick (literally) of Rogue class
Stealth needs to be powerful to be rewarded
If spam = stealth, then there is literally no point for stealth
Thus, spam should be weaker than stealth by nature
If spam = ok performance, it is good enough, you shouldn't compare it with stealth performance, what you are saying right now is more that spam not equal to stealth = bad

[fossil finch]

if anything stealth's the class identity anyway

[exotic stag]

except funnier.

[cobalt pewter]

and there's not much manpower to do rogue testing atm (though there's storm now so lo)

[fossil finch]

Ideally the game wouldn't give you much options to evade it

[exotic stag]

basically: we dont need more non-stealth weapons or viability..

[small timber]

because in my experience spam is on-tier with other class, just not stealth rogue-tier (which is overpowered)

[exotic stag]

^

spam can be overpowered at times see: the image xpc posted that i asked for but other then that its usually just ranger tiered

which is like. melee viability

ssbm viability not melee class

[stable musk]

Summoner: move and kill it, rogue
Rogue: i am waiting for stealth
Melee: AAAA-
Summoner: you know it's provi fight so you can't just stand still?
Rogue: nah I'm good random fire hits him

[exotic stag]

now your just.. making weird convos between classes?

[cobalt pewter]

yea

[exotic stag]

these make no sense..

[cobalt pewter]

kinda irrelevant iirc

[small timber]

that is one of the least accurate portrait of rogue I had seen, as it mention "standing still" at provi

[fossil finch]

yknow this made up fiction isn't making any actual points

[exotic stag]

you can literally move while generating stealth

[stable musk]

well yeah

But it's slow

Really

[exotic stag]

no.

its like

[golden tulip]

terraria class rp in #suggestions-discussion

[exotic stag]

half speed of standing still

and theres items that make you only consume half.

[small timber]

and standing still making it regen fast is not even good because it deal less damage

it is only good for like... pre-HM when mobile stealth is non-existent

[fossil finch]

i mean reasonably if you can give yourself the bonus of standing still you're going to stand still

If not just silencing

[exotic stag]

yeah

[stable musk]

run until you generate stealth: the game

[exotic stag]

no

how about: try and survive so you can dish out some decent damage. The game

[small timber]

so why do stealth relate to "non-stealth/spam rogue weapon" suggestion again? I still don't see the point

[exotic stag]

because stealth is "stronger" then spam

[small timber]

because multiple people had confirmed that spam rogue is on-tier with other class

[exotic stag]

yeah

he wants it to be as strong as stealth

[small timber]

which is not happening because if it do it is ultra bad design

it is like saying equipping minion slot accessory gives summon less damage therefore you shouldn't optimize at all

[exotic stag]

yeah

because if we make spam as strong as stealth

we invalidate stealth and every other class

[cobalt pewter]

also how the fuck adding a SS to nanoblack ruin its purpose?

[exotic stag]

"nanoblack is fast weapon so therefore giving it a mechanic all of rogue has is bad!"

[stable musk]

If devs somehow make stealth strike more than just "shoot one but powerful projectile and everything gone" it's ok

[exotic stag]

uh

look at the reaper lmao

[stable musk]

If it's like that then NR just makes it sequel to Scarlet devil

[exotic stag]

"shoots 5 projectiles"

[cobalt pewter]

you haven't even seen Nanoblack SS

[exotic stag]

and also

not every stealth strike is shoot one powerful projectile

[stable musk]

Some are splitting

[cobalt pewter]

(and wouldn't mentioning nanoblack SS count as future content?)

[stable musk]

Some are creating more projectiles

[cobalt pewter]

since it doesn't happen yet

[stable musk]

Oh then

This whole sugg goes to junk

[exotic stag]

actually most of them change projectiles. spear of destiny or double/triple projectiles reaper or change projectiles spawned by the thing. spear of paleolith

[small timber]

^ "remove minion slot from summoner because specing into minion slot is just boring, more minion slot you get = more damage, having less minion slot should be rewarded because it is much less effort required to play the game"

[fossil finch]

considering nano stuff is ozz' special children i wouldn't doubt the ss is special somewhat

[small timber]

if you are referring to stealthstrike being generally overpowered, just know that pre-HM and HM rebalance is coming (which likely nerf the overperforming ones), generally stealthstrike to spam performance will be similar to what you see in post-ML now (with few oversight like lunar kunai, dumbell etc)

[frail mantle]

nano ss is one of the stealth strikes i have ever seen

[fossil finch]

WOW!

[exotic stag]

woa

[stable musk]

wof

[frail mantle]

it definitely fits nano's general vibe

[fossil finch]

ss is just

the thing coming out of your computer through nanomachines

[grim tusk]

son

[grim tusk]

Agreed

[grim tusk]

Shoot a projectile that spawns a shit ton of projectiles because

KILL

[cobalt pewter]

hn

[cobalt heath]

did the way that suggs work change again

cause it seems the old system is back

[crude geode]

what old system

[cobalt heath]

it says its this

but its rly 24 from the sugg being made

wich is the og system

[crude geode]

Then, the suggestions with the top 20% votes in that group will be forwarded to the devs

[cobalt heath]

oh

[crude geode]

[cobalt heath]

mb

lmao

[crude geode]

it's chill

[crude geode]

Not every weapon needs an upgrade.

[exotic stag]

"unique in the sense you fish it up"

yeah that can go

[crude geode]

@hollow shell thoughts on most recent suggs in voting?

[hollow shell]

In voting? The DoG sugg?

[crude geode]

Ye

Both that and the one before it

[hollow shell]

The DoG sugg is a bit opinionated but I don't think it's invalid

Notes a single problem and doesn't try to think of some original replacement for it

just

"Speed up DoG"

The summon sugg is.. fine
It is entirely anecdotal and I have a feeling the testers won't find the issues they are describing

but

It's possible that there is a problem with the reliability of summons at that stage

Might be worth looking into if it gets to dev

[crude geode]

it’s anecdotal based on malice which is a bit hard to justify but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

Yes, indeed

Malice bosses would be much faster and therefore more difficult for summons to keep up with

[unique vector]

isnt fab already boosting his catchup

[hollow shell]

No idea.

[unique vector]

i remember he had a whole convo abt fixing dog’s turn speed so he doesnt make like 5year long turns

[crude geode]

@ashen warren The desert nuisance message being removed is fine, but cosmic guardians serve a purpose of telling the player when they are summoned. You could probably make a separate suggestion with some of the reasoning of the original regarding changing the message to “A Cosmic Guardian is summoned” or something along those lines

[hollow shell]

CosGuards need it more than the Nuisances yeah

Because they often spawn off-screen, and they spawn mid-battle, and they're fast

Unlike Nuisances with are spawned in sync with Desert Scourge and follow roughly the same behavior as Desert Scourge

[cobalt heath]

My idea isnt much but i wasnt thinking a large scale Change, just a simple and an effective change

[crude geode]

(Might need to exclaim the nuisance sugg in the meantime until it’s fixed)

[cobalt heath]

And im feeling like the serpent upgrades thing is really on the border off not being a New weapon sugg

[hollow shell]

Eh, not a major part of the sugg.

[crude geode]

It’s less on being the new weapon sugg and more on the sugg having really lackluster reasoning

[fossil finch]

yeah there's

there's no much good reasoning

the tome argument is not really an argument because

magic weapons all "work the same"

[crude geode]

Indeed

[fossil finch]

it's barely a visual difference of the item you hold

[crude geode]

(Also that’s just straight up a lie even outside of that, vanilla dungeon weapons + moon weapons exist and are all staffs lol)

[cobalt heath]

And i feel like you would need a path to build serpent up even after that weapon

And

[fossil finch]

not really

there's a ton of items that upgrade into another later without a line

[crude geode]

Blast Barrel is one of ‘em

[cobalt heath]

And the axe thingy

[hollow shell]

@blazing loom

In response to "There are so many spell tomes and seeing a different viable weapon would make the class feel fresher and less boring."

[crude geode]

Surprised you don’t think that’s exclaim worthy

On account of extremely bad/lack of reasoning

[blazing loom]

shit my bad didnt realise this was so serious xd

[hollow shell]

Thank you for being cognizant of the Specific Item Suggestion rule, at least

[blazing loom]

shall i just delete it then?

[hollow shell]

You can edit it

if you can think of some better reasoning

[blazing loom]

well clearly its not going to be added is it haha so im not too fussed. i didnt realise you needed good reasoning ect i thought it was just for inspiration for the devs or whatever i dont really know how it all works but yeah i just thought it was a cool idea

[hollow shell]

Alright

Crystal Serpent is probably doomed to isolation
being a one-off decently-hard-to-get weapon that isn't particularly extraordinary, so not much reason to give it an upgrade

Probably only will if the circumstances line up by happenstance in the future
Like, if we wanted to add some big fishing-based magic wep, we could say "Oh yeah Crystal Serpent would fit for this thing's recipe"

[blazing loom]

yeah i get waht your saying

being a one-off decently-hard-to-get weapon that isn't particularly extraordinary, so not much reason to give it an upgrade - why is this a reason not to upgrade it?

[crude geode]

takes work spriting and balancing it

[blazing loom]

yeah i know

[crude geode]

that could be spent elsewhere

[exotic stag]

spriting balancing and coding it.

[hollow shell]

It's not that that's reasoning against giving it an upgrade

It's more a lack of reasoning to give it an upgrade

[unique vector]

the main problem we have right now is that some classes suffer from severe item bloating

[crude geode]

also true

[blazing loom]

so they dont add items for fun, only when they are needed for balancing

[exotic stag]

no theres some fun items

hehe ele disk

[unique vector]

so you need a very very strong reason to add another weapon aside from “this should have an upgrade bc why not”

[hollow shell]

Nowadays, pretty much

[blazing loom]

fair enough

[hollow shell]

Well, not balancing, more like expanding some new addition

like a biome

[exotic stag]

like some weapons may have fun aspects of it. when combined with stuff

but usually it'd be: "is this weapon balanced enough and for people to enjoy?"

[blazing loom]

i mean its probably a big pain in the ass just to give the crystal serpent a recipe for something else if i was one of the guys behind it i probably wouldnt be adding random weapons all the time and giving myself more work

[hollow shell]

Calamity has a ton of weapons that were in the past added just for fun
And now we're kinda suffering the consequences
Cuz many of those weapons were made in 2017 and now we need to rework them to bring them up to modern standards

[crude geode]

I mean to be fair

belching coral

[unique vector]

when the mage weapons arent fun to use

[hollow shell]

What about it

[unique vector]

wtf is that

[exotic stag]

sulphurous sea funny mage wep

[hollow shell]

Coral is the enemy that drops the wep

[crude geode]

wrong thing

ye

belching saxo

[fossil finch]

coral is funny i think

[hollow shell]

Belching Saxophone makes funny noises so it gets an A+

[exotic stag]

doot.

[crude geode]

it is simply far more likely to come from devs than from suggestors (no offense to suggestors), because it's just much easier for devs to say "I wanna make this idea I just had" than it is to convince devs to make the weapons you want

[unique vector]

belching saxo is fun but its practicallity fucking sucks

[blazing loom]

yeawh

[unique vector]

[blazing loom]

well boys, if i ever learn to code ill remember this and add it myself xd

or girls

[crude geode]

it also drops from acid rain tier 2 which is. kind of a mess when it comes to drop rates and enemy spawns

tbfh

[fossil finch]

it

doesn't

belching coral is not

an at2

enemy

[blazing loom]

why

you

talkin

like

this

[unique vector]

can you stop

[fossil finch]

because yes

[blazing loom]

sorry mr

[unique vector]

you’re making it worse

[crude geode]

(No wonder I've never seen it)

[fossil finch]

it's a normal hm sulph sea enemy

[crude geode]

post-AS*

[hollow shell]

It spawns post-AS

yeah

[fossil finch]

fair enough

[hollow shell]

And Acid Rain T2 also gets triggered by killing AS

[fossil finch]

byeah

[hollow shell]

so it's easy to correlate the two

[fossil finch]

it could be moved to acid rain ig

[hollow shell]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It's nice that the biome itself gets something

[fossil finch]

cause
Currently acid rain overrides normal ss spawns

yeah

[unique vector]

ding ding ding ding dev plans dot pee and geesus christwehavesomuchtodo

[fossil finch]

but like
go full on with it by adding more enemies or like

do not

[hollow shell]

Not really for Sulph right?
Not any time soon at least

[unique vector]

remember the

vote

[hollow shell]

Lemme look back

[unique vector]

the very first vote in the announcements

yea

[crude geode]

what

[unique vector]

you dont get access

[crude geode]

[hollow shell]

(the devs have their own announcements channel cuz our team is big)

[crude geode]

makes sense

[unique vector]

we have two actually

one is dev specific and one is team wide

[hollow shell]

Also I don't understand
The most that vote would do to Sulph/Acid Rain is require a slight rebalance??

[unique vector]

wasnt that implying a full tiershift

[hollow shell]

From post-WoF to post-1Mech

Not a big move

[unique vector]

ig ur rightyea

i think im having dementia overload

all of the details are muddling together

[hollow shell]

We have many a thing on our plates

[unique vector]

its a buffet booth at this point

[hollow shell]

Speaking of which when is the next Brainstorming review?

[unique vector]

GUH

GUHHHHHH

whenever you feel like going over 50 mage class cards

:)

not joking about that

[hollow shell]

Is Ozz in a willing state atm? I know he wanted to take a break

[unique vector]

its literally 50+ and im not done

[crude geode]

revamp mage's boring projectiles moment

[hollow shell]

Actually I could just look at it now

[unique vector]

uhh

[hollow shell]

And add comments, like Phup

[unique vector]

i would say look at it individually like phup has been doing yea

fab dmed me recently and one of the things he mentioned is ozz and fab want to take a big break from dev work for a bit bc of the internal stress

[hollow shell]

Yeah..

[unique vector]

so i dont think hes up for a meeting anytime soon

[crude geode]

~~can't believe the devs are even getting offtopic ~~

I can tbfh

[unique vector]

ill crush you beneath my fist

[hollow shell]

dw, the thing we're talking about is basically Suggestions-Posting but for devs

[unique vector]

basically

[hollow shell]

but yeah it is offtopic

[unique vector]

when do we kill brainstorming and just organize the other boards by “planned” and “not planned”

[blazing loom]

why is this so serious 😭

[unique vector]

ACTUALLY i forgot to mention i was helping egshels a bit with her organization work for SLR

and she had the great idea to organize lists by having cards with a cover to act as border titles

that might help make it easier to organize some boards by class/item type

[crude geode]

on tthe topic of suggestions, has xp just been spamming the fuck out of boss suggestions?

[unique vector]

i suppose

[crude geode]

to be fair they're like fine suggestions but like damn, they're making a job out of it

[unique vector]

not like it means theres a greater chance of getting in

[hollow shell]

The dev workload is legitimately run like a business sometimes

Well

[unique vector]

fab hasnt liked even testers giving immense feedback on bosses sometimes

[hollow shell]

Loosely but kinda

[unique vector]

i wish it wasnt but how else do you make motivation and information flow somewhat consistent

[crude geode]

the fact that there's like. 1 person working on boss AI baffles me sometimes.

[blazing loom]

look at it from an observer perspective, it must be so annoying and stuff to make someone elses idea. you would have to ask them questions on what to do if you get stuck whereas its so much better to make whats in your head

[unique vector]

not necessarily

[hollow shell]

Yeah
And it also sucks when Fab tries something and the majority of feedback is people having issues with it, and how to make it better (or even to get rid of it entirely)

[unique vector]

with how big bosses are its rlly important to make sure u arent tunnel visioning design from a single person

[hollow shell]

which is good feedback

but it implies that you did a bad job on your own

[blazing loom]

yh

agreed

[unique vector]

i wish he was more open to people helping him but i dont want to take that space from him

[crude geode]

Sometimes I feel like fabsol should/probably has a side mod that he just works on on his own whenever he gets burnt out by doing work for Cal

[hollow shell]

We tried that

Fizzled out quite quickly, never saw release

[unique vector]

caalmity standalone gamep

[crude geode]

unfortunate, but not too surprising

I thought the idea might have been tried b4

[unique vector]

i mean its what dom does

tis why infernum exists

[blazing loom]

i actually thought that. you guys said earlier that calamity is getting bloated, so why dont you start again - i probs sound so naive here

[unique vector]

bc thats asking you to throw away 5 years of work to start from the ground up when its easier to just sift through existing content and polish/remove it

[blazing loom]

how is that throwing away

[unique vector]

bc ur starting from a fresh slate?

[blazing loom]

your moving on, keeping the old content but you get to experiment with new ideas and that burnt out feel might go

[unique vector]

not really idk that sounds very redundant

are you really moving on if ur still sticking to old ideas

[blazing loom]

what?

[unique vector]

that’d probably only be a consideration if calamity was actually finished

[blazing loom]

yes so at what point is it finished

[unique vector]

when yharim is added

[blazing loom]

ahhh

so they do habve a goal

[unique vector]

mfw

yes we do lol we have a whole roadmap

[blazing loom]

awsome

[hollow shell]

We will probably have a significant amount of reworking once the porting to tMod 1.4 happens
Because it would be incompatible in every way with the prior versions, so we're free to add and remove whatever we'd like and not worry about conflicts

[blazing loom]

this public?

[unique vector]

no

[blazing loom]

😦

[crude geode]

roadmap no, the knowledge that yharim completes everything, p much yeah

[unique vector]

false promises are stinky af

[crude geode]

^^^^^^

[hollow shell]

mmm

That's a problem with public roadmap

[unique vector]

yea

[hollow shell]

If your plans ever change then people will get pissed

[fossil finch]

the thing with a public roadmap for something like calamity is that plans are very much volatile

[unique vector]

ithere are more games out there that have had a roadmap completely change or fall short than actually stick through

valheim’s roadmap fell short completely for instance

[fossil finch]

there is mods that can go and do roadmaps fine but for calamity's not really viable

[unique vector]

geometry dash’s roadmap is somehwere in the 9th circle of hell

etc

[fossil finch]

in any case: we already have a lot of public info on what is planned for the future

nothing precisely concrete, but it exists

the closer it is to being actually done, the more we know

[crude geode]

calamity is just not concrete and has priorities change constantly due to community response, problems about current content, etc. etc.

[fossil finch]

(because devs naturally post small details now that it exists and is being worked on

[crude geode]

suggestion battleship moment

[unique vector]

you know nothing

you are nothing

die

[crude geode]

[crude geode]

@fleet bobcat add in the fact that hectic vanilla events like pillars, and moons will show minibosses on the minimap.

[fleet bobcat]

k

[small timber]

Kinda but not really, I think it is less of a boss suggestion since it is "yo lack of telegraph fix please"

[fossil finch]

@fleet bobcat why is your title that

just remove that line and make the a be the title

no reason to, idk classify? the sugg with a title like that

also, no

no minibosses have minimap icons but giant clam

[exotic stag]

mostly because giant clam is cool and also hard to find without it

[grim tusk]

@fleet bobcat make the second line the title since its actually what you want, the other is pointless classification

[fossil finch]

storm i am going to kill yo

[exotic stag]

storm did your job but shorter

take that

[fleet bobcat]

everscream, martian saucer, santa nk1, ice queen, mourning wood, pumpking flying dutchman

dark mage and ogre

psure that great sandshark has one too

[exotic stag]

those are vanilla

[grim tusk]

GSS is cal and does have one

And so does Clam

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[sleek wadi]

Cragmire Maw could really do with one seeing as its stationary and tends to spawn in the water

[hollow shell]

The first reason in the sugg is a bit weak and subjective
but I think comparing them to the vanilla event minibosses is solid

And yeah that

[fossil finch]

cragmire got reworked

Idk if it'll move

[grim tusk]

@swift sinew where is your reasoning?
Also no title

[golden tulip]

MOTHERFUCKER

you knew didnt you

[ashen warren]

[golden tulip]

you sneaky mf

[languid quartz]

lmfao

nice

[golden tulip]

just dont use the weapon during the bh's lol

also why would it be disabled for calclone

there is no reason to fight calclone post yharon

[sleek wadi]

Could be fighting calclone in boss rush. Although yeah just don't swing final dawn during BH lul. Who are you trying to hit, Casper the Friendly Ghost?

[golden tulip]

people still use final dawn post game ??

theres tons of other piercing weapons

[small timber]

the suggestion should be "nerf final dawn" not specifically disable it for whatever artificial circumstances

final dawn is equally cheesy for exo mechs where it insta kill thanatos, completely invalid the entirety of ares and also just make artemis laser free

@silk tendon ^

[golden tulip]

true

[hot zephyr]

✂️

Final Dawn has been in our sights for a bit now, if it's going to get changed it'll probably just get nerfed

Like the folks above me have said, I'd say it's perfectly valid to retool your suggestion into a final dawn nerf outright.

[small timber]

(just rework mobile stealth gen in general tbh, currently stealth gen is balanced more for slow stealth gen by giving it more damage, late game stealth is less stealth and more attack delay because everything give stupid amount of mobile gen)

[cobalt pewter]

I mean the stealth theming is already weak because it no longer has invis and aggro at base tbh

[golden tulip]

wulfrum miniboss suggestion

[exotic stag]

the 7th one

[drowsy plank]

we'll totally get it this time

[cobalt pewter]

@zenith hazel john wulfrum is not real (recent sugg)

[zenith hazel]

@bleak stag boss suggestions aren't allowed, read the suggestion don'ts doc in pins or above your suggestion a bit

[cursive briar]

hey guys how about that wulfrum miniboss eh?

[stable musk]

Well

Wulfrum literally has no use after you get wulfrum things

[crude geode]

Hence a resource sink being planned for addition

[exotic stag]

just make wulfrum craftable into tungsten

💥

[fossil finch]

can we just add john wulfrum already

[small timber]

they just have to add a reskinned elf copter at april fool and problem fixed, no more wulfrum boss suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

I will never trust cal community with april fools content

john wulfrum added

no one cared

then immediately everyone bitched their ass off when john wulfrum is gone

[exotic stag]

if it does get added everyone would say "mom wulfrum"

[golden tulip]

no

no they wouldnt

shut up

[exotic stag]

@ashen warren just.. no.

[hardy dock]

@ashen warren that’s uh

Already gonna happen

[exotic stag]

i dont even need to explain that one

[golden tulip]

this is not a serious suggestion

i refuse to believe

[exotic stag]

like honestly just "no" works

[cobalt pewter]

@ashen warren planned, and no, no boss suggs down in this hellhole

[exotic stag]

"pleez mak yahim bos an mak him on shot u asfter scal ded"

[ashen warren]

oh, ok, thanks.

[red lichen]

@ashen warren im pretty sure that's already planned

[ashen warren]

Yes, I know by now.

now*

[cobalt heath]

My god reading the text channels would have revealded that its gonna be the next boss, in like 2 years time. Sorry to be this guy but you were asking to be clowned on

[ashen warren]

alright.

the only problem is, we already have a true tyrants ultisword so what's he gonna drop? The Truest True Tyrants Ultisword for real this time of trueness?

[exotic stag]

tyrants ultisword is just a "tyrant" ultisword

[cobalt heath]

Excatly, it could be any mans sword

But yeah fair point In calamity the Word tyrant refers to yharim

[cobalt pewter]

Lead Core replacing Psychotic Amulet on auric telsa crafting for msge / summoner helmets sounds nice

that is a better idea

Auric Tesla just gives me war flashbacks

[unique vector]

@ashen warren deleting your sugg after people’s feedback

[exotic stag]

[crude geode]

@unique vector kill

[unique vector]

@ashen warren lol double ping, im deleting that one too

[exotic stag]

man made two joke suggs

[unique vector]

please refer to our pinned document for “Don’ts” on what’s allowed to be suggested!

meme related suggestions are almost always a no-no

[golden tulip]

guys we need a wulfrum boss

[ashen warren]

alright, Shoulda read the pins first lol. Also @exotic stag The Yharim thing wasn't a joke sugg I just didn't know that boss suggs weren't allowed, I joined like 3 days ago and didn't start posting till yesterday.

[unique vector]

every single boss addition is already set in stone and public knowledge, theres a pin in #calamity-mod-talk if you’re curious to see it

[exotic stag]

this and the bugs channel are the most serious

[unique vector]

@ashen warren calm yourself

do you ever give ppl breathing room for error

[cobalt pewter]

I wish discord can improve pins

[unique vector]

they’re new, pls stop being so harsh

[cobalt pewter]

so you can have an important message at the top of the channel

[unique vector]

ikr

[exotic stag]

just make a channel thing where you'd have to read every pin before talking in it

for discord qol

[unique vector]

if only pins actually meant smth and werent just hidden archivals

guh

[cobalt pewter]

indeed

[exotic stag]

hey atleast pins are more used then threads

[crude geode]

Pins are pretty wack yeah

[unique vector]

threads are more used wym

pins fucking suck

[exotic stag]

nah threads are worse

[unique vector]

we only use them bc theres literally no better alternative

[exotic stag]

thread spammers

[unique vector]

then you’re using threads wrong

[cobalt pewter]

threads are unironically more useful with proper permission control

[crude geode]

Threads are worse
source: trust me

[unique vector]

truee

anyway

[crude geode]

Lead core rework is something

[cobalt pewter]

the source is that I made it the fuck up

[crude geode]

Lead core is just at a really weird spot in progression

Should just been incorporated into le shield line earlier

[digital saddle]

i believe the psychotic amulet effect is extended to all classes

once its made into auric tesla

[grim tusk]

It is

[cobalt pewter]

yes

still a bit dumb to me

auric tesla is just layers of dumb and stupid

tbh

[cobalt heath]

The mini accessories on the auric resipe today are so dum

[cobalt pewter]

seething so hard with myself not being able to drop a whole ass essay on auric tesla

[cobalt heath]

Like the mat

[digital saddle]

the mat is REALLY powerful

like the best thing about upgrading from godslayer

lol

[cobalt heath]

Cap

[crude geode]

Be original instead

[cobalt pewter]

@ashen warren they're getting rid of most if not all challenge modes, why would there be another one

for true melee even

[exotic stag]

"add subclass mode"

[cobalt heath]

Angry chicken just stop whit it

[exotic stag]

this is just humorous.

not in the sense hes humorous

but the sugg's are

[ashen warren]

glad i could help Lmao.

[cobalt pewter]

I mean stealth was my whole schtick

but I haven't played the game

[cobalt heath]

That sugg too is not allowed due to runs like true melee arent officially regognised and wont get specific changes

[hardy dock]

When I checked the wiki I didn’t see any inherited effects for most classes

[digital saddle]

auric tesla haters

[golden tulip]

the challenge mode is: only use those weapons

[cobalt pewter]

I believe wiki jots the psychotic amulet effect down on the "general" part

[ashen warren]

alright, alright.

[cobalt pewter]

it's not direct, but you can see it if you look closely

[hardy dock]

Tarragon, Bloodflare, GodSlayer, and Silva armor effects
All projectiles spawn healing auric orbs on enemy hits
Max run speed and acceleration boosted by 10

[cobalt pewter]

lemme check wiki myself

[hardy dock]

Ah I see

[cobalt pewter]

it's not directly stated on the tooltip because auric Tesla tooltip is already giga chungus

but it's there

[hardy dock]

Should probably be stated somewhere in the tooltip at least

[unique vector]

@exotic stag you’re getting really close to irritating me

[cobalt pewter]

Auric Tesla is just a big mess

[unique vector]

how many times did i have to tell you off for having an asshat sarcastic attitude

[exotic stag]

Let me count then. 3.

[unique vector]

do you really want to push your limits

[exotic stag]

Ehh sure.

[unique vector]

@ashen warren do also keep in mind people are limited to two total suggestions a day to prevent suggestion idea spamming

at least i think its two

[crude geode]

2 ye

[ashen warren]

thanks... for the heads up,

[unique vector]

yea

[ashen warren]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-drowsy-sleepy-lazy-tired-gif-16464847

[unique vector]

like i said before id highly suggest reading the doc and putting some time into your suggestions

[hardy dock]

(Since when can normal users embed links)

[unique vector]

to minimize how much u need to edit it

u were always able to

[ashen warren]

noted.

[crude geode]

Be a bit hard to actively do so but I understand why you would want that

[gray nebula]

maybe just remove the lead core from the recipe altogether

kinda silly willy to throw it in an armor at random

[unique vector]

lead core fades into complete obscurity

[cobalt pewter]

remove auric tesla

[sleek turret]

put it on aegis imo iirc

[crude geode]

Prolly deserved

[hardy dock]

Just a more annoying and less useful shield that you’re required to get half the time

[crude geode]

Edit your sugg regarding psycho amulet’s effects in auric, sentry

[hardy dock]

I did

[crude geode]

The first sentence is still wrong?

[hardy dock]

Oh yeah I’ll move the edit to the top of the suggestion

I’m on mobile so I can’t see most of the message at once when I’m editing but I moved the edit and changed the first sentence

[exotic stag]

@restive cairn may wanna be more uh.. how do i say it. professional in the title rather then all country side talk?

[restive cairn]

got any ideas? i got through what i meant and what i stand for

[exotic stag]

Give the Crushaw Crusher some sound FX
This weapon looks intimidating but when it hits something it just goes "..." give it some earth-impacting sounds or something.

there

a bit more professional. ish

[hot zephyr]

sugg looks good to me

[restive cairn]

👍

[exotic stag]

byeah just wanted it a bit more professional its fine otherwise

[restive cairn]

you bet 😎🤝

[small timber]

@hardy dock if you acknowledge that there is a mistake in some facts, just edit the suggestion rather than "posting an edit section", as it will be counterintuitive and confusing

So basically since you now know the armor do inherit effects you should change the part of the suggestion mentioning it accordingly

This one is just my opinion, but changing auric recipe for each class will probably not be the best idea unless the separation is god slayer to silva (aka melee/ranger/rogue to mage/summoner) since the crafting recipe is already confusing

[tepid mantle]

Pls help me edit my first suggestion

Make Desert Scourge drop way more sand
While sand is valuable resource there is not much places to obtain it. Most of large world consists only of 2 deserts and ocean bioms and nome of them fully consist of it (surface only). I think it will be reasonably to increase drop rate in about 10 times.

[cobalt heath]

sometimes going short is better than extending the fuck out of something

[golden tulip]

"only" 2 deserts??

do you know how much sand you can get out of that

[tepid mantle]

Not enough for me

[golden tulip]

???

[exotic stag]

also what

[tepid mantle]

And I don’t want to ruin my natural landscape

[exotic stag]

bruh what are you needing sand for?

if you need

THE ENTIRETY of the main desert

[tepid mantle]

To be 20 block lower then the rest

[exotic stag]

and your second desert

[stiff wren]

Scal nohit potions

[cobalt heath]

that my guy is a lot of sand

[tepid mantle]

Potions, buildings, furniture

[cobalt heath]

but at that point its fair game to just cheat sheet itr

[tepid mantle]

The only way to fix terraria

[fallow hedge]

use the sandgun

with enough ammo reduction you can essentially get infinite sand

[tepid mantle]

I think it will take ages

[fallow hedge]

it will yes but it is absolutely a way

[cobalt heath]

but tldr if you need almost two deserts of sand to build cheat sheet it

[fallow hedge]

might even be faster than Scourge farming

though that depends on game progression

[west jackal]

Vein miner

[stiff wren]

my beloved

[tepid mantle]

I don't need that much, but it just looks ugly because of sand physics

I can't just mine some underground

[cobalt heath]

thats a lot of sand

[cobalt heath]

okay whats the verdict on magnum rounds here

[golden tulip]

never use em

[random pasture]

^

Idk they just kinda exist

I only notice them when I need money and sell them

[golden tulip]

i put them in auto trash

[copper crow]

What are magnum rounds again

[ruby plover]

they are ammo used for a specific classless weapon(s)

they used to drop from most bosses but now can be bought from the arms dealer when you have the weapon in your inv

[rough venture]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/947949663963742268 i was gonna suggest this anyway

[grim tusk]

Thing with Carnage/Nights ray being viable on mech numero uno is that most weapons suck, they’ll get rebalanced eventually

And not going in class setups lol

[vocal ivy]

Why are you even making a wiki suggestion

[exotic stag]

he doesnt know how to edit fandom

[ruby plover]

also Nights ray's strength could be attributed to it's currently glitched limitless range

[grim tusk]

Yes and iirc that is getting patched

[unique vector]

@small tusk an easier fix is to just make things locked by a regular anvil and souls of night/light

or cobalt/palladium