suggestions-discussion

[olive token]

exactly

[fossil finch]

i imagine perfs and hii miim could get retiered nowhere because there's no space???????????

[crude geode]

Let’s not add more to the pile because cool

[unique vector]

when people cant decide whether they want more bloat content or less bloat content

[fossil finch]

there is virtually no place for a new boss i swear

unless it's post current progression

[cursive briar]

Yeaa I'd argue that stuff is already pretty tightly packed

[crude geode]

We don’t have space for half the bosses we do have like post wof to end game

[digital saddle]

I think most of post ml could be expanded on a lot

[unique vector]

do you want more bloat content for the sake of making something more relevant than it needs to be or do u want less bloat content

please pick

[fossil finch]

post ml doesn't need bosses

it needs not bosses

[olive token]

if i wanted a lore boss to replace ravager that where id put it tho

[fossil finch]

what

[crude geode]

[olive token]

or rework rav to fit that

[crude geode]

That’s like

[fossil finch]

ravager is a lore boss?

[crude geode]

The worst spot

[fossil finch]

anyways rav is getting moved to post provi

[crude geode]

Imaginable

[fossil finch]

with a 99.999999999999% chance of serving as the bloodstone guy

this will happen from today to 90 years in the future

[crude geode]

Yep yep because he sucks in current position, just bloating already bloated position of post golem

[cursive briar]

I Think there could be room for a boss pre-provi, mayhap after the guardians?

[fossil finch]

w

nah

maybe?

[ashen warren]

why

[fossil finch]

idk i do sentinels post provi don't i

[ashen warren]

why make post ml more of a boss rush

[fossil finch]

yes i do

[crude geode]

^

[tardy geyser]

folly and the sentinels exist there already

[digital saddle]

I think the gigantic mountain of content locked behind dog could be better distributed among smaller non-progression bosses

[cursive briar]

what is post ml supposed to be?

[olive token]

that were rav sits after you defeat ml

[fossil finch]

idk point is we don't need to add another boss

[olive token]

and astrum aureus goes there

[fossil finch]

among smaller not bosses

[ashen warren]

it already has, lemme check, zero things to do outside of bosses and phantoplasm/boring event repeats

[fossil finch]

calamity community will implode when they discover biomes and events exist

[crude geode]

Absolutely yes

[cursive briar]

i have a confession; i didnt know underground astral infection even existed until like a week ago

[crude geode]

It sucks that’s why

[cursive briar]

no purpose B)

[gray nebula]

dont tell em chat

[frail mantle]

don't tell em what

[fossil finch]

@pale sluice What the FUCK are you talking about

i have legit NO CLUE

[ashen warren]

ah yes the thing only used for summoner lo

[fossil finch]

otherworldly music isn't a thing in 1.4 and scal has a theme

[exotic stag]

i have no idea either

[frail mantle]

i doubt turq wants the old placeholder in the mod

[gray nebula]

"if youre using the alt music from 1.4 , play the old themes from bosses"

and yeah

[fossil finch]

doomsayer also doesn't exist

[gray nebula]

and i dont want turqs themes in the mod

[ashen warren]

lmfao

[gray nebula]

GG EZ wp no re

[fossil finch]

TROLLED

[crude geode]

Just like

[exotic stag]

turqs themes are good. but what happened to him shouldn't be brought up again.

[fossil finch]

enny also doesn't want his themes in calamity

[crude geode]

Turn off music in game and play it through YouTube

[exotic stag]

^

[digital saddle]

Why are you being so aggressive lol

[sleek turret]

true

[exotic stag]

because thats like

the sugg in question was

barely understandable

[digital saddle]

Okay?

[frail mantle]

no it is understandable

[ashen warren]

damn bro ok

[sleek turret]

wasn't there some funky and zanyy mod which let you to change in-game music though...,,,

[digital saddle]

Ask for clarification instead of jumping down their throat

[exotic stag]

thats what ender asked?

[frail mantle]

i can perfectly understand what the suggestion is asking for

[pale sluice]

im talking about the toggle for otherworldly music if you've used drunk seed

[ashen warren]

you dont need to act very self righteous lo

[fossil finch]

because i have no social context and feel using fuck freely is fine

[ashen warren]

thats 1.4

[fossil finch]

yeah shoes

[ashen warren]

?

[fossil finch]

that's 1.4

[exotic stag]

drunk seed is 1.4

[fossil finch]

calamity is not 1.4

[pale sluice]

im aware

it will be?

[ashen warren]

so why are you suggesting that

[fossil finch]

also otherworldy music is for all worlds once you play drunk seed once

[exotic stag]

it'll be 1.4 in 60 years

[ashen warren]

you dont suggest things in the future lo

[fossil finch]

even then no???

we can't add enny's themes because he does not want to be associated with calamity anymore

[pale sluice]

why? people complain about placeholder music being replaced so much

[exotic stag]

because its a placeholder

[frail mantle]

let them

[fossil finch]

they don't???

[exotic stag]

they think its good and they want it in.

[fossil finch]

literally nobody has

[exotic stag]

but it gets replaced by the actual composer

[exotic stag]

a lot of people complain about scals current theme with the old one.

[pale sluice]

hahahaha see why dokuro left calamity

[frail mantle]

the music mod is chunky enough as it is, readding all the old themes would make it even more fat

[exotic stag]

dokuro left calamity because he was harassed constantly. not that people complained.

[ashen warren]

what are you talking about lol

[fossil finch]

dokuro left calamity because he was PRESSURED into replacing the PLACEHOLDERS to STUPID extents

[unique vector]

im just going to exclamation mark the sugg

[ashen warren]

youre suggesting something in the future which is a no

cope

[unique vector]

this conversation is stupid

[frail mantle]

reminder that the music mod is, like, five times larger than the main mod

[digital saddle]

I'm just not a fan of how a lot of people's interest in this seems to start and end with dunking on bad suggestions

[exotic stag]

and broke mod browser.

[exotic stag]

because dunking on the sugg's is what we dooo.

it gets the point across very clearly

[frail mantle]

this channel does tend to have a trend of excessive aggression yes

[fossil finch]

in any case, both themes you talk about, again
were made by enny, and the calamity team has no rights to use them

[exotic stag]

its why turqs themes are a seperate mod.

[unique vector]

keep it up and ill time you out again

[pale sluice]

aight then scrap that part

[unique vector]

stop justifying shitty aggression with "because thats the norm"

how bout try not to be an asshole for 24 hours challenge

[ashen warren]

people get wayy to into this

concerningly

[pale sluice]

there its fixed

[olive token]

This channel is like a bar fight, and I love it

[crude geode]

Hate it personally

[unique vector]

you actually made your suggestion worse

since now its even more vague and makes less sense to pertain as to why its our problem to fix it

[golden tulip]

[gray nebula]

barely ever seen that happen ngl

[unique vector]

im gonna keep it exclamationed until rover comes and disagrees or something

[olive token]

[pale sluice]

there are like
a billion people who complain about scal's placeholder being replaced

[frail mantle]

i've seen people say they really like IF and that they hope the actual theme will be even better and i've seen people not even realize that it's a placeholder

but i don't think i've ever seen people actually complain about placeholders being replaced

[exotic stag]

i mean the whole scal thing was "people like both themes. people like one. people like the other"

[sleek turret]

ok now you're just making things up

[exotic stag]

never a complaint

[random pasture]

Which themes are even placeholders, the exo mechs?

[frail mantle]

yes

[exotic stag]

currently? exos

previously it was also scal.

[sleek turret]

the only one currently

[gray nebula]

no

[frail mantle]

at the moment emechs have the only placeholder theme

[gray nebula]

[sleek turret]

scal had a placeholder years ago

eerie track iirc

[gray nebula]

Never seen anyone complain about it for real

maybe you're just in social circles that have a very vocal minority

[pale sluice]

also the reason i put this suggestion here is because it got 20 upvotes
https://www.reddit.com/r/CalamityMod/comments/t0rzn3/suggestion_have_placeholder_music_play_instead_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[exotic stag]

yes and people liked it

[exotic stag]

one reddit post

[unique vector]

please Do Not Listen to Reddit

[exotic stag]

from the calshiddet.

[random pasture]

If anything people complained about the real scal theme not being released

[stiff wren]

^

[exotic stag]

with twenty upvotes.

[sleek turret]

oh wow 20 reddit upvotaciones!!!!

[random pasture]

Rip Dokuro

[stiff wren]

reddit is a terrible place and those people's opinions dont really matter tbh

[sleek turret]

like it's that important

[exotic stag]

it was your post bro.

[pale sluice]

i know?

[exotic stag]

not even twenty upvotes. 18..

[unique vector]

in alll seriousness i really dont see the point in appeasing a vocal minority because they liked an INTENTIONALLY placeholder theme

[exotic stag]

and also only one person said to put it in sugg discord..

ah yes

[fossil finch]

its not even really vocal
For a subreddit like cal 20 upvotes is not a lot, no

[stiff wren]

i mean getting 18 upvotes on the calamity mod subreddit is the equivalent of getting 20k on a political subreddit with more than 1M people in it

[exotic stag]

it says 18..

[gray nebula]

no one cares

if its 20 or 18 its the same really

[sleek turret]

i have seen more upvotes in the cal subreddit you know

[stiff wren]

20 upvoterinos wholesomerinos

[unique vector]

if we cave in to appease people that want old changes back for the sake of nostalgia or preference, we'll find ourselves in a self destructive hell trying to add back old content every single update

[gray nebula]

[fossil finch]

this is one of the times in sugg disc

[gray nebula]

i mean

[stiff wren]

CHANGE BAD

[gray nebula]

have we ever rly listened to ppl that want to go back for nostalgia

[sleek turret]

no

[olive token]

lol bumblebirb

[exotic stag]

no

[unique vector]

we dont

[sleek turret]

we never

[unique vector]

and never will

[sleek turret]

and we won't

[unique vector]

[exotic stag]

its literally in sugg rules lol

[fossil finch]

add heart rapier

[crude geode]

Slippery slope mentality

[pale sluice]

add back future bosses

[sleek turret]

cope

[stiff wren]

banned

[gray nebula]

so we don't really find ourselves "more"i nto a self destructive hell smh

[unique vector]

you're making me want to listen less to your opinions

[pale sluice]

was joke.

[unique vector]

thank u for the feedback english teacher IbanPlays

❤️

[sleek turret]

practice mode hmm

[crude geode]

True and real

[sleek turret]

uhhh what????

[exotic stag]

prepare to fry

[fossil finch]

wow skill issue

[unique vector]

there i fixed it

[fossil finch]

i will now gatekeep you and tell you you are bad and should feel ashamed

[sleek turret]

true

[grave zinc]

@full pivot - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[give providence an indicator for how far you can get]

Your suggestion has already been previously passed and voted upon; if it isn't already implemented, the devs may reconsider their verdict.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[stiff wren]

YOOOOOOO WHOLESOMERINO SUGGESTIONERINO PASSEDINO

[exotic stag]

also this practice mode sugg sounds really odd..

[stiff wren]

tbh i like the idea

but that sounds less like a mode thing

[fossil finch]

this idea lacks something though

[stiff wren]

and more like some weirdo cheat thing

[fossil finch]

what does it do?

[pale sluice]

fixed

[exotic stag]

"summons another phase of the boss for you to practice?"

i think?

[stiff wren]

like they could probably say it in a different way

[fossil finch]

how does in any way the practice mode help you practice

[stiff wren]

phase skips

[exotic stag]

it just sounds like phase skip mode.

for free loot

[unique vector]

im just going to delete your suggestion now if you're going to have an attitude about it

[stiff wren]

im assuming that the practice mode wouldnt just let you skip phases and get free loot

[unique vector]

solves the problem

[turbid heath]

ye

[stiff wren]

like maybe it skips the thing and doesnt let you have loot

[pale sluice]

i basically already did that but alr

[stiff wren]

like it doesnt count as a kill

[random pasture]

So you could like, skip the first and sentinel phase of dog and go straight to the second?

[exotic stag]

"it gets annoying to die in the first phases of the boss because you cant dodge its new attacks" ???

wouldn't you..

[fossil finch]

i don't see that being much helpful than just doing the entire thing though
because after all bosses are based on consistency

[exotic stag]

remember the first attacks?

[pale sluice]

^^^^^

memorize the attacks, use rod

[exotic stag]

no the sugg is just confusingly worded

[stiff wren]

yeah you could have explained it better

[cursive briar]

I'm not sure if this is as much a suggestion, but moreso a question regarding opinions on a suggestion; would there be room for a "biome upgrade" (i.e. after X boss is defeated Y biome receives an upgrade with powered up enemies, new drops, etc.) sometime after post-ML?

[fossil finch]

wow

that's almost like

[stiff wren]

uh no

[exotic stag]

Add a practice mode

A practice mode to fight a boss' later phases would be helpful, it gets annoying to fight the first phases and die in 5 seconds because you don't know how to dodge its attacks while focusing the newer attacks. and also it can take a while to reach the later phases if you dont do good enough damage.

i think thats how he worded it?

[fossil finch]

its almost like

[turbid heath]

ye that makes more sense

[stiff wren]

DEV PLANS DOT PNG ! ! !

[fossil finch]

)except not really because it'd be new biomes, not improved old biomes

YES

[cursive briar]

oh shiii thats pretty cool i was completely unaware of that thank you

[random pasture]

It already happens tbh

Hell and Hallow get the providence enemies

[stiff wren]

true

[random pasture]

The jungle gets the plague

[fossil finch]

mfw

[random pasture]

Ect.

[exotic stag]

plague is pre ml..

he asked post moonlord.

[fossil finch]

no they wont add more arsenal weapons

[exotic stag]

so yes hallow and hell are correct. but plague is not.

[sleek turret]

we alredy have enough

[cursive briar]

Yeahhhh but thats like 3 new enemies and doesn't give any incentive for exploration, maybe a biome which can't be entered until certain requirements are filled?

[random pasture]

Ah he said specifically post ml

[stiff wren]

ah yes the famous all class subclass

[sand ermine]

the power cell weapons are garbage lol

[sleek turret]

false information

[exotic stag]

four.

[stiff wren]

false

lies

deception

[fossil finch]

you are wrong arsenal weapons are very good lo

[sleek turret]

yeahh

[sand ermine]

heres the thing

[crude geode]

Opinions are cool

[pale sluice]

your opinion is wrong lol

[sleek turret]

they're good

[fossil finch]

cursed how dare you

[sand ermine]

i dont find much use in them because every other weapon i have is like miles better

[stiff wren]

not when someone's opinion includes "tracking disk is bad"

[fossil finch]

we must go against every other opinion

[crude geode]

Shocking I know

[sleek turret]

opinions are cool if you actually give proof of something

[fossil finch]

again, biome things are planned

[exotic stag]

"opinion is wrong" i actually think their opinion is correct but not in its entirety

yes there are some bad powercell weapons

[cursive briar]

Yeah that kind of makes my whole thing irrelevant but that is good to know

[stiff wren]

your coolness rank in suggestion disc is decided by how many people's opinions you reject a day

[exotic stag]

but some are also good

[fossil finch]

unfair try to not be contrarian challeng

[exotic stag]

bruh.

some are bad some are good. not all not none

[stiff wren]

everyone here is a contrarian

no exceptions

[fossil finch]

based on what

[cursive briar]

You can't call yourself a critic until you roll a die to decide on your response

[crude geode]

Very true

[stiff wren]

on my really, REALLY restricted knowledge of how people act here

[exotic stag]

its like everyone in calcord just wants me to nickname myself contrarian

[stiff wren]

exactly

[fossil finch]

thats actually pretty fair

[fallow hedge]

I wish charging was a little more forgiving honestly, the Arsenal weapons are nice and powerful but it'd be nice if the charge was permanent

[exotic stag]

thats

very stupid..

[stiff wren]

your opinion has to change based on which place you are talking in

[crude geode]

That would remove the point of it

[exotic stag]

^

[crude geode]

[stiff wren]

you need a new opinion for cmt, suggestion disc, subreddit and so on

[exotic stag]

a phone doesnt just not lose charge when fully charged

[fallow hedge]

that is sadly true

[random pasture]

Is there a sunken sea rework planned?

[stiff wren]

sunken sea is already perfect in its useless and cool looking glory
and i dont know lmao

[crude geode]

Imma guess no because it’s perfectly serviceable?

[gray nebula]

what

get better opinions

[unique vector]

what does serviceable mean

[gray nebula]

sunken sea is getting reworked

[unique vector]

[random pasture]

Fighting the same miniboss twice and then leaving is kinda boring tbh

[pale sluice]

an actual sunken sea boss would be good imo

[gray nebula]

it sucks rn

looks boring

[random pasture]

Cool

Yeah

[gray nebula]

no need for a boss tho

terraria fans when the boss rush is sus

[pale sluice]

all we have rn is giant clam

[stiff wren]

we got so outcontrarianed that we went back to agreeing with people

[exotic stag]

it already has good music, uniqueish enemies.

and a funny clam

[unique vector]

wtf dev leaks,.,.

[exotic stag]

what else do we need

[stiff wren]

3 bosses

[fossil finch]

calamity players when they learn not every biome needs a boss and that biomes can stand fine by themselves

[stiff wren]

4 new structures

[unique vector]

you need BETTER STANDARDS

[stiff wren]

a mage murasama clone

[small timber]

A large part of calamity difficulty is the learning curve (which usually involves a lot of dying), I dont see a point for Calamity themselves to add a mode that basically allows player to out practice and have perfect knowledge on all bosses

In this sense practice mode can be seen as a cheat mode so practically you can just install cheat sheet, turn on god mode and practice that way

[fossil finch]

well pixl tbf their standards come from CURRENT CALAMITY

[gray nebula]

did you know on steam, terraria's desc features "dig, build, explore"

[fossil finch]

your still true tho

[unique vector]

dnc dnc

[exotic stag]

calamity fans when cryogen gets removed

[gray nebula]

and tmodloader's deqc has "dig, build, fight

[exotic stag]

wtfff tml doesnt want you to explore

[gray nebula]

this is a reference to exploration being completely ignored in mods

[random pasture]

Huh

[unique vector]

GOD

[stiff wren]

lmao

[random pasture]

Kek

[frail mantle]

holy shit

it all becomes clear

[pale sluice]

you mean like
flamsteed

[fossil finch]

)both games have the 4 words

[crude geode]

[cursive briar]

hey abyss was like the coolest thing ever the first time!!!

[turbid heath]

doesnt calamity has an anti cheat

[fossil finch]

it does not

[exotic stag]

no

[fossil finch]

next update anyway

[exotic stag]

your thinking of anti butcher.

[fossil finch]

all of them are being removed

[pale sluice]

scal used to have anti butcher

[sleek turret]

anti-butcher dies next update

[random pasture]

No lol

[fossil finch]

and in any case only like 3 bosses have anticheat

[exotic stag]

anticheat and anti butcher are anyways different

[gray nebula]

no antibutcher is anticheat

[small timber]

Calamity in fact do not have anti cheat, god mode is perfectly usable

And antibutcher do not matter in your case since you are using cheat to practice bosses

[stiff wren]

bosses with anti butcher watching me take out godmode and an ephemeral flawless scarlet devil

[sleek turret]

why put anti-cheat on a singleplayer mode though

[exotic stag]

because people want to negate cheat sheet

[pale sluice]

there's a reason it's being removed

[exotic stag]

and no its just cause it was kinda useless..?

[sleek turret]

that is the reason

[stiff wren]

because cheating in a singleplayer game is bad and its skill issue and its bad and you deserve to be made fun of

[exotic stag]

let people cheat if they want to cheat..

unless its in multiplayer games

[stiff wren]

you should lose your human rights if you play how you want to play

in the funny sandbox singleplayer game

[pale sluice]

hero's mod moment

[cursive briar]

Ima have to agree with that, in a singleplayer non-competitive experience, why not allow players to play however they wish?

[sleek turret]

cool reminder this is terraria

[stiff wren]

because cheating is BAD and SKILL ISSUE and ITS NOT PLAYING HOW YOU ARE MEANT TO PLAY

GRRRRRRRRRR

[fossil finch]

someone should quickly storm in saying that then calamity should have sliders for every stat for everything in the game

[sleek turret]

the game where no logic is applied and nobody cares if you use cheat sheet or whatever the fuck

[fossil finch]

because "its a singleplayer game i can play how i wish"

[exotic stag]

"add in slider for bosses added"

[stiff wren]

did that happen before

[crude geode]

I love the slippery slope fallacy

[fossil finch]

if you violently max the slider you unlock the secret boss, breaking your mouse

[pale sluice]

"no this isnt how you're supposed to play the game"

[sleek turret]

"i play how i wish" fans when i give them a linear gameplay

[fossil finch]

it did actually

[exotic stag]

basically kirby soul eater ex.

[stiff wren]

oh god

[fossil finch]

basically "its a singleplayer game so it shouldnt be balanced

[pale sluice]

anti cheat for singleplayer isnt balance

[stiff wren]

calamity mod: the mod where you can beat hardmode and postmoonlord bosses in many orders but that also has fucking anti butcher

[exotic stag]

its a singleplayer game. people shouldn't be restricted by mechanics that negate them from playing how they want to play

[fossil finch]

yes we are talking about something else

[random pasture]

As a funny prank max out every bosses health and damage to the funny integer overflow number

[fossil finch]

gt trole

[cursive briar]

I Don't think devs should pander to every whim and add in a million ways to play, but I don't think they should actively prevent players from using 3rd party tools to augment their experiences

[stiff wren]

there is no middle ground
all discussion should be either made by people who dont want to play the game or dark souls players

[small timber]

People can play how they wish (unless MP where you actively affect others than themselves), what they need to understand is do not expect the base game to cater towards their opinion

[cursive briar]

^

[exotic stag]

expect the base game to be well. the base

you are free to do what you please in that

beit jumping into water 30 times. or going on a mass murdering spree of every calamity boss in under an hour.

[stiff wren]

lies
the base game should be modified to the point where there is only one playstyle

[unique vector]

are we still arguing

[stiff wren]

yes

pick a side

[gray nebula]

sadly suggs disc is a multiplayer game so I can't use cheating tools to make it suit my preferred experience all the time

[unique vector]

[pale sluice]

that's like saying "do i exist"
you always do just like how this channel always argues

[unique vector]

im so sorry iban that must suck,.,,.

[crude geode]

Not really

[unique vector]

okay NOW im ANGRY grr

[cursive briar]

Arguing is pretty close to constructive discussion, we'll get there soon 🌚

[unique vector]

stop arguing about pointless shit that goes in circles NOW!!!

[fossil finch]

we are actually pretty chill when

when the suggestions currently posted

[sand umbra]

I'm late, but what kinda die are you rollin' to determine your response as a critic
(personally, I just give my response without a dice roll. the gods of socialization then force me to roll for charisma, a stat which I do not build for, to determine whether or not everyone else responds well)

[fossil finch]

are

exactly what we want

out of the game

im dying currently

[pale sluice]

more destructive than constructive

[unique vector]

just stick to discussing posted suggestions if you can pls

stop it with the 50th "is X cheating in terraria" argument

[fossil finch]

true

[unique vector]

kinda overdone and overgeneric ngl find better comedic material

[exotic stag]

gonna say it again and its probably gonna get me timed out again. but what can you expect from the internet. you cant really control everyones attitude. your going to get the toxic side of the internet one way or another. its just a matter of time until it actually does happen. sorry to say it but the internet is still not all happy safe place as everyone used to make it out to be.

[fossil finch]

anyways pixl the last suggestion has no reasoning or whatever

[unique vector]

im not tolerating your cynical attitude unfair

i dont give a damn, to be blunt

we expect people to behave and have some form of maturity here

[sand umbra]

bein' right doesn't mean you're rght
now, movin' on

[unique vector]

and if you cant tolerate that then

[sand umbra]

what've we got in suggs here

[pale sluice]

a mod for a game about squares shouldn't be toxic ngl

[sand umbra]

what fuckery have I missed in my long time away from this hellscape

[fossil finch]

nothing important thomas

aside uh rav being post provi

[small timber]

Back to suggestion: you probably want to slightly change the suggestion title as it is misaligned witht the description

The title is: give us more power cell weapon

Description is: rework power cell weapon to be unique and interesting

[sand umbra]

oh pog

[crude geode]

Post golem will be less of a mess

[sand umbra]

post-Provi Rav is something I tried to push for like
forever ago

iirc

never got anywhere when I tried it, though

[frail mantle]

yea it kinda just happened after a discussion in dev i think

[crude geode]

Quirky dev things

[sand umbra]

fascinatin'

[fossil finch]

it actually did seemingly because it was already planned by the time the sugg was passed

[pale sluice]

wdym? power cell weapons encourage strategizing and not spamming

[sand umbra]

well, either way, happy to see it happenin'

[fossil finch]

byeah that's the only important thing

[unique vector]

quirky little bugs

[fossil finch]

aside the whole vote revamp

[sand umbra]

Rav has been in a really quirky little spot for the longest time

[sand umbra]

h'what

[fossil finch]

bloodstone rav in 2022

[cursive briar]

Wait if rav is made post-prov how am I gonna ruin cultist with spikecrag? 😭

[fossil finch]

check pixl's message in idk here

[stiff wren]

the voting system changed

[gray nebula]

bloodborne rav

[pale sluice]

rav is just golem but actually challenging

[fossil finch]

yeah pixl's message pinned here

[stiff wren]

now instead of a star requirement they just pick the highest voted suggestions of the week

[sand umbra]

🇪 lab or 8

[sleek turret]

cope and use another weapon that works at that stage

[sand umbra]

yooooo

popularity contest except now it actually is one

...honestly, I think I prefer this over the previous setup

[stiff wren]

yeah i prefer this one

[frail mantle]

holy fric*k ravager really is the One Reborn

[sand umbra]

it's a lot more clear-cut about what you need to do

[fossil finch]

now the actual 20% of suggs are guaranteed to pass

[unique vector]

the darkest of the soul

[cursive briar]

i think thats flawed, what if week 1 has 3 suggestions which are better than any of the suggestions made during week 2?

[stiff wren]

now we can actually get suggestions and voting isnt mostly useless wooooooooooooooooo

[fossil finch]

no comical overvoting or undervoting

[frail mantle]

yharnam darksoul, main character of sekiro, demon lord of the elden rings

[sand umbra]

and you also don't need to sit there for 4 weeks waitin' for even half the star req to star your sugg because, as we all know, nobody stars anything not immediately visible

[unique vector]

they get considered as separate batches

[fallow hedge]

always a bad side to every good thing =( (/j)

[unique vector]

moment

also cant help if someoen’s sugg is more appealing than yours ngl

[crude geode]

Power cell weapons are already a big part of progression available to all classes ngl

[gray nebula]

I mean in the end the power cell weapons truly do be the lapis lazuli of Minecraft enchanting

if you get me

[random pasture]

True

[crude geode]

[unique vector]

the

what

[exotic stag]

you find it useless at first

[crude geode]

smh my head pixl don’t get it

[exotic stag]

but later you come back to it

[cursive briar]

i absolutely do not get that comparison

[fossil finch]

iban i do not get your comparison

[unique vector]

oh i get it now

[fossil finch]

please explain

[stiff wren]

yeah it doesnt make that much sense

[exotic stag]

i kinda just explained it

[gray nebula]

lapis lazuli doesn't matter in enchanting at all compared to xp,

the same way power cells kinda don't matter

[unique vector]

filler gameplay

[gray nebula]

and it's only rly apparent when u don't have enough at all

yeae

[sleek turret]

you just stack them

[crude geode]

Power cells are a facade to make them look cool

[gray nebula]

I mean it's a cute and funny gimmick

[sand umbra]

eah

[gray nebula]

I'd be more concerned about the energy types

those have gimmicks that aren't exactly cute nor funny

[random pasture]

Didnt the organic gimmicks get purged

[gray nebula]

oo aa i get x more damage against enemies from x arbitrary category so awesome I hope it matters

(it doesn't

[exotic stag]

yes

[crude geode]

Oh yeah

[random pasture]

Pog

[crude geode]

That sucky mechanic

[random pasture]

Yeah those made 0 real sense

[exotic stag]

changelog 174.

147

[random pasture]

No reason to exist

[stiff wren]

why did that mechanic even get added

[exotic stag]

uh

[small timber]

I almost thought it will be about spending power cells cause pollution

[gray nebula]

I mean it's not rly sucky since they were balanced against enemies at the tier to be pretty much as worth as one another xd

[stiff wren]

then it doesnt really make sense to add it

[exotic stag]

makes you do more damage against enemies that are either made of organics like human skins n shit or robotics

[fossil finch]

energy types are just funny flavor i think

[random pasture]

Hurr Durr damage boost against a completely arbitrary catagory that doesnt even matter

[gray nebula]

yea they're flavor

I'm not saying they should be reworked because it makes my head hurt

[unique vector]

quirky little dev stuff

[sinful violet]

Or damage nerf

[gray nebula]

but it's opportunity to get expanded on. but please don't. we have more important stuff to focus on

[random pasture]

[gray nebula]

when the dev time and effort is a finite resource!

[crude geode]

Isn’t more flavor like. completely unnecessary for Draedon weapons of all things?

[stiff wren]

yeah like the draedon weapons already have a ton of flavor

[unique vector]

hey what if we made it so each weapon has a unique boss that they do 2x damage against like the hit game megaman

[crude geode]

Yeh

[random pasture]

Power Cells are enough flavor

[sinful violet]

Arsenal boosts/nerfs for stuff like laser weapons doing less damage against high defense and plasma doing more won't stay

[random pasture]

They dont need a random funny damage change

[stiff wren]

copper shortsword x2 damage against king slime woooo

[fallow hedge]

Awesome

[crude geode]

#changelogs message

[unique vector]

going to write a 50 page rework idea and post in dev chat

awesome

[sinful violet]

shut up

[crude geode]

Big if true

[random pasture]

trold

[crude geode]

Didn’t you actually just (kinda, not to 50 pages) do that though with boss problem Google doc tho

[sinful violet]

With the what

[unique vector]

90% of it was tossed

lols

[crude geode]

Lol

Placebo Doc

[stiff wren]

lmao

[crude geode]

Hilarious gaff on the public

[stiff wren]

small amount of trolling in the suggestion discussion channel

[fossil finch]

"they are improving the bosses on our feedback finally"
:clueless:

[unique vector]

the doc i shared to ppl here to write their thoughts on bosses

[sinful violet]

So you pranked them.

[unique vector]

i did

[sinful violet]

idiot

[crude geode]

Can’t believe pixl gets away with trolling even tho it’s hilarious

[unique vector]

they are the idiots for believing in me ngl ngl

[small timber]

I mean it is very expected when it is basically "yo suggestion for reworking bosses is not illegal here"

[random pasture]

Damn

[cursive briar]

this fucking server

[unique vector]

to be fair half of the ideas that fall under boss reworks make me kinda explode a bit

but yk

[random pasture]

Make the bosses more gooder

[crude geode]

Hence why I wrote like nothing except ravager being cringe, and like slime god and crabulon getting more world stuff (slime god but has no effect on the entire world of slimes )

[random pasture]

EZ

Ravager is cringe

[crude geode]

Indeed

[cursive briar]

I Hated Post-Golem

[fossil finch]

rav isn't cringe

his point in progression is

rav is actually like ok

[stiff wren]

ravager is cringe because it moves weird

and my brain doesnt like that

[fossil finch]

and could be a nice inclusion to post prov with his "walk" designed fight

[cursive briar]

Yeah the ravager fight felt really weird to me

[crude geode]

I think what’s most troublesome moving forward is finding ways to make more of the world feel unique without just feeling like <x effect such as plague/astral> but with <x effect like slimes>

[stiff wren]

i dont understand the slime part

[cursive briar]

Would it be a stretch to say that Summoner feels limiting to play (specifically in higher difficulties where you and the boss are moving very very fast) in the fact that I often feel like summons just can't keep up and end up not attacking

[stiff wren]

i dont play summoner so idk

but yeah im sure its an actual problem that exists

because summoner bad

[cursive briar]

Certain summons do this thing where if you're a certain distance away from them, they won't attack anything

Or if the enemy you're fighting is faster than your summons can move then they just lag behind and can't hit your target

[stiff wren]

summoner is a perfect class with no flaws whatsoever

[cursive briar]

Haha yeah man I love summoner

[frail mantle]

what making a class with entirely AI based damage does to a mf

[cursive briar]

I Do feel like it could be refined, maybe at the cost of a teensy tiny bit of damage? So more overall consistency but so that dps may stay the same

[stiff wren]

i dont think the damage should be lowered

because im pretty sure that the AI being dogshit isnt a feature that they deliberately added

[crude geode]

This is indeed the problem with certain summons, especially on Yharon you’re mostly just gonna end up using ravens

[stiff wren]

just make every summon teleport to an enemy before attacking smh my head its so easy smh

[cursive briar]

I'm currently doing a summoner MAD playthrough (worst decision of my life) and it is a bit frustrating that I have to use beam summons for a large amount of bosses

Cause the normal ones just can't keep up

[stiff wren]

MAD mode 🤢 🤮

[cursive briar]

Hehe

[crude geode]

Thought that was gonna come up

Can’t really comment as I don’t play malice, but if you wanna make a sugg about it seems fine

[stiff wren]

i played malice so that no one has to
its bad

my brain shuts down every time someone even mentions it

[grim tusk]

@pale sluice although you probably have a good idea, they reasoning could be improved outside of subclass stuff

Also you will like stealth rogue as it meets the criteria you want

[grim tusk]

Stay mad

[exotic stag]

hehe stealth rogue

hehehe..

storm you've just given a guy the most funny thing

[stiff wren]

STEALTH ROGUE ‼️

[grim tusk]

We will take a look at summoner eventually

[pale sluice]

teehee sepulcher summon moment

[gray nebula]

what if we reworeked some summoner weapons to have some active effects tee hee

[sinful violet]

the issue there is malice, not summoner

[ashen warren]

t hat would be comedic

[sinful violet]

when every boss is like 1.5 times faster hahahahh

time to make every summon hitscan and watch balance crumble as we know it

[stiff wren]

malice is a perfect mode with no flaws

[fossil finch]

wow iban

you can't do that

[grim tusk]

Summoner also had problems actually

[fossil finch]

that's illegal

[ashen warren]

evenetually 🏧

[sinful violet]

teleporting hermit crabs

[grim tusk]

We will eventually take a look at the non projectile summons to make em not suck

[sinful violet]

yeah summoner has problems, but summons not keeping up throughout the entire game?

that's malice

[cursive briar]

Surely the issue also applies to bosses in not-malice

[sinful violet]

for some it does, yeah

prime

for a majority it's enough to work, in rev/death

[grim tusk]

People still use clams on prime because no melee summon can keep up with its speed

[sinful violet]

if it's every boss that's malice speed

[cursive briar]

It just makes me weep when I see my summons spending 97% of the fight flying behind me unable to attack the boss

[sinful violet]

^^^

[crude geode]

Yharon is the biggest one I noticed during my Deathmode playthrough b4 drae update

Everything else is pretty fine

[stiff wren]

thats your punishment for considering playing s***oner

[sinful violet]

hahahha just use the hitscan summons lmfao skill issu

e

[crude geode]

[cursive briar]

Theres like 3 pre-hm 2 of which are pre-boss 💀

[grim tusk]

3 if you progress break

[sinful violet]

pre hm is fine for the most part

[grim tusk]

No lol

[sinful violet]

SG has issues, Bee probably has some but I always skip bee

[grim tusk]

Belladona is an unbalanced mess

Most melee summons also suck unless its worm boss or Crabbulon

Sentries? What sentries?

[sinful violet]

Okay but that's not a problem of it not being able to hit

[fallow hedge]

yes faster summons please and nerf Belladonna so it isn't the go-to

[sinful violet]

that's the opposite

[cursive briar]

It is probably because of Malice but my DPS has been wayyy lower than other classes

[sinful violet]

hermit crabs melt crab, ironically, and every other boss they can actually hit

[fallow hedge]

I literally use Bella until post-evil boss 2

[sinful violet]

yeah

malice

[fallow hedge]

then Star Swallower comes along for some saving grace

[sinful violet]

you cant hit shit when the bosses are on five cans of caffeine

[cursive briar]

Star swallower does something? I Haven't noticed since my frogs spend their entire lifetime spinning around in the air unable to attack 😎

[grim tusk]

Dank and blood clot staff crying in the corner

[sinful violet]

those were meta once

melted everything

[grim tusk]

The froges reck skele

[fallow hedge]

I think your frogs are broken

[grim tusk]

Everything that had its defense increase a shitton

[sinful violet]

try concussive maintenance

[sinful violet]

what

[fallow hedge]

those deserve better

[sinful violet]

genuinely can't tell what you mean

[cursive briar]

froge damage scales with enemy def

[sinful violet]

🤨

[fallow hedge]

oh did they

[sinful violet]

am i not seeing the same messages as everyone else because of discord again

[grim tusk]

Plasma weapons do more dmg if stuff has high defense which used to lead to this:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512925739486674954/851636075985240064/2021-06-07_20-35-36.mp4 (patched)
Froge strongest summon

[sinful violet]

🤨

[fallow hedge]

LMAO

incredible

[sinful violet]

Frogs used to annihilate aureus

Not just clone

[cursive briar]

anyway i cri cause i wanna use cute summoner for my MAD playthrough but really isnt viable :')

[sinful violet]

Aureus is a fat target with a lot of defense

[crude geode]

@unique vector Exclaim latest sugg

[hexed oak]

does a DoG grapple hook exist

[crude geode]

No because bobbit hook exists

Also kindly

[fossil finch]

slam

[hexed oak]

i'm literally fighting a boss while writing this

[fossil finch]

pausing a game exists

you are also supposed to check the pins before you even do a suggestion

[hexed oak]

calm down i deleted it

no need to be rude

[unique vector]

the summoner one?

[fossil finch]

no

alouby posted a sugg about dog hook

with no reasoning

[unique vector]

o

[hexed oak]

i died

f

[steep crown]

Post providence armor. That's pretty much it

Terra-sonething

[crude geode]

Tarragon

[runic harbor]

The boss practice gives me an idea, I might make it a mod but, right clicking the summon brings up symbols like draedon summon for phases, but I feel this would not be good for the default mod

[gray nebula]

feels a bit extraneous for the main mod idk

• not every boss has a summon item kek

[exotic stag]

cooltist

[stiff wren]

The cultist has a summon item

[exotic stag]

requires you to go into the abyss for it

the 3rd layer in specific

[fossil finch]

and?

[exotic stag]

post the concept art please

[ruby plover]

acid wood will get a furniture set and placeable block in the next update

its in the changelogs

your point about sulphurous sand and sandstone blocks would probably still be valid tho

[uneven tartan]

oh, I actually did not know that! I should probably read the changelogs lol

[ruby plover]

eh, when there's so many (233 at this point) it can be pretty easy to miss one or two

[fossil finch]

Rookie numbers

[distant gyro]

the

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663595792690315264/918650789667405864/unknown.png

i think is what you're looking for

[exotic stag]

rover is totally part of the build guys

[uneven tartan]

oh that stuff looks real good!

Now I'm just excited to see what types of buildings I can do with the stuff and other blocks.

[hollow shell]

(you mean Rotom)

But yeah that's already gettin in the mod

[exotic stag]

no theres secretly a pixel of you in the bottom left

[exotic stag]

@analog pilot formatting and uh

hwat.

[worthy lintel]

malice is

kinda meant to be a bit unfair

😐

its supposed to be a rematch mode

[exotic stag]

esp deathice

[analog pilot]

yes, but it is literally inescapable, I already tried it easy 40 times and in none of them could I dodge even the first blow

I'm sorry if I have bad writing in English, it's because I speak Spanish XD

[crude geode]

@hollow shell should probably delete latest sugg in voting and ping author

[hollow shell]

Why so

[crude geode]

It was rejected, you said so in here not too long ago

Or maybe getting my reactions mixed up

[hollow shell]

I've, gone back and forth with whether or not prior rejection means that it can't be posted

I've previously been in support of the idea that you totally can post it, and get bluechecked to show support for that idea, even in spite of dev opinion
Maybe change their mind if they see the demand

But also, that's quite unlikely to happen and you could say they're taking up useless space in the channels

[crude geode]

I think it also depends on time frame of when it was rejected

Devs are unlikely to change their opinion after like one or two months, but half a year/last blue check is a different story

[grim tusk]

DS (and every malice boss really) requires you to invest heavily into mobility so that you can dodge the boss, the bosses are balanced as rematches and expect you to have better equipment to deal with them

[cobalt pewter]

let's make a better sugg: remove malice

it'll have no purpose next update anyways

[grim tusk]

or will it?

[cobalt pewter]

sunk cost fallacy moment

[grim tusk]

@small timber :devplans: has something else in mind

[small timber]

oh ok, if that is confirmed I will delete it

oh right I forgot death Ai is being adjusted

[grim tusk]

not confirmed but Fab has other plans

[small timber]

if they have other plans then it is probably better for him to carry out the other plans (since it will much likely to be happening)

[hollow shell]

Fab does indeed have plans for that attack

oh wait, hang on

[small timber]

wait plantera' spore too? (since the above one Storm commented is brimstone elemental laser in Dmode)

[hollow shell]

Yeah, for Plantera's spore 'enemy' projectiles

It seems that Fab does have plans for that

(in Rev+)

[small timber]

ok, then I will just delete it (no need to address what is already addressed)

[hollow shell]

We got a lotta stuff cookin

for
1.5.1

[small timber]

(coming soon in 2024 because elden ring is too good)

[hollow shell]

Yeah sure Rav could get custom sounds

(Not any time soon cuz I've been sloggin on that front)

but they could help, and improve the feel of the fight

[small timber]

ya currently most people I see complaining about ravager have no idea that the stomp is what affecting the pillar spawn

they just thought rav spawn it in front of them randomly

(tbh it don't have to be custom sound, just a sound unique in rav fight/not generic explosion sound)

[hollow shell]

Yes true, quite true

OOA sounds my beloved

or even

(Or both at the same time)
(Or: monk staff ground impact for spawning rock pillars, then ogre ground pound for flinging the pillars + spawning fires (they happen in sync). ogre ground pound could additionally have another magical/fiery OOA sound overlaid on top of it to signify the fires)

[small timber]

maybe, you are the sound guy while I have 0 idea on sound design

[hollow shell]

lol

[fleet igloo]

Wait there are plans to do something with Plantera spores?

Please don't tell me they're going to buff it

[small timber]

I mean as long as it is not invisible I dont mind (which is the current problem)

[hollow shell]

I won't reveal anything beyond.

[fleet igloo]

Oh

Wait it's the destructible spore projectiles, not the spore clouds?

[small timber]

I assume yes

[hollow shell]

Yes that

Could be both though

[fleet igloo]

Just don't make the spore clouds harder and I'm fine

[crude geode]

isn't his telegraph that the entire screen turns blue, or was that changed

[small timber]

does he have telegraph like that? I dont remember at all

the only one I know is full phase 3 telegraph (screen turn black), but not for 20% HP

[crude geode]

it's a different phase? weird

[small timber]

ya he definitely have no transition whatsoever at 20%, just tested

he just start changing charge pattern

[hollow shell]

What HP percentage is Phase 3?

[small timber]

40%

[hollow shell]

In the mode you're currently playing

Alright

[small timber]

both Rev and Death are same hp % for phase

[hollow shell]

We could probably do some visual change to indicate that final behavioral change yeah

Maybe the screen actually brightens a bit but gets covered with a more vivid blue 🤷‍♀️

[small timber]

ya visually is good enough, not necessary full phase transition

[crude geode]

Bit of a weird behavioral change tbfh

[hollow shell]

Or have a new sound

Here I'll make one right now

[small timber]

I think even something simple like Duke stops for 1 sec and roar differently will be good enough

[hollow shell]

There we go

Now we have an asset for if this sugg passes

or if it doesn't I can just submit this to the devs anyway

[small timber]

👍

[grave zinc]

@ruby plover - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make many large projectiles make a sound effect when being destroyed from touching a block]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@mighty schooner - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[chaos state volume cue]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@lapis canyon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Anihita join Leviathan at 50%]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@unborn siren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework or just undo the changes to Destroyer's barrage system]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give HP Bar Special Effect When Boss Is Invincible/Have Absurd Defense As Mechanic]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@lapis canyon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Increase biome height range during boss fights]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fleet igloo - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Play the intro of Forbidden Lullaby in between Anahita leaving and Leviathan spawning, similarly to DoG’s phase transition]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@stable wedge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a Map Icon for the Desert Nuisances]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[unique vector]

jumpscare

[crude geode]

[crude geode]

Explanation for this? Just curious mostly

[hollow shell]

I was the only guy that approved it, and I consistently misinterpreted the title to be saying "biome height enrage"

which is close
but
after realizing the real title I can see why that would be problematic

[crude geode]

Damn

[hollow shell]

Not just changing vanilla biome detection code, but adjusting it mid-game too

It would probably be horribly buggy (multiplayer) and have whack edgecases

[crude geode]

Prolly should have gotten caught on the wording before it went into voting

[hollow shell]

Literally every single time I read it, I thought it would just be as simple as changing one value in the boss's AI

Only now do I realize
whoops no this sugg would actually be very hard

[crude geode]

Makes sense

[crude geode]

Any comments regarding this one’s rejection?

[hollow shell]

Universal rejection
For a few reasons

[small timber]

probably because Destroyer laser is already reworked I guess?

[crude geode]

Would have gotten 🔒 then

or 🛠️, depends

[hollow shell]

#1 (maybe): The backwards-ass reasoning that a consistent laser barrage feels more "just get lucky" to dodge through than vanilla's literal RNG lasers

[crude geode]

Yeah it was kinda ass backwards

[unique vector]

i think i absentmindedly voted no on any of the boss ai suggs

lol

[small timber]

ya the calamity laser is way less "get lucky", it just last way too long

[unique vector]

too much text to read oopsie

but yes i agree with rober

[small timber]

vanilla laser is, in fact, way more "get lucky"

[hollow shell]

But #2 (actually):
This sugg sparked a discussion that maybe suggestions are overstepping their limits asking for changes to core boss mechanics

[crude geode]

Intriguing

[hollow shell]

I said that it's good that people are able to get their opinions to the devs if they are collectively upset about something
It at least lets the devs know there could be something to look into, even if they disagree

[small timber]

ya, it is probably best not to completely ban it, if the devs think the change suggestor ask sucks just deny it, otherwise suggestion can never suggest for anything that may desperately need change (and will solely rely on beta tester on that front)

[hollow shell]

But
other devs did feel like such suggestions are a waste of screen space, because bosses are very unlikely to get any significant changes from a community sugg

Change proposals of that variety would come from testers or devs

[small timber]

I do agree with this though, since votes usually represent public interest, it does not necessarily means "yo change the boss I want to this way", but more like "this is problematic and testers and devs may want to try to look into it"

[hollow shell]

I do still think that they should be allowed, generally

[crude geode]

Sounds like it could be a problem of certain suggestions overstepping grand scale rework

[hollow shell]

Well this Destroyer sugg would definitely not be considered "grand scale"

[small timber]

I think destroyer was a special case, since it was largely known for being problematic, many other case are dead in posting

[hollow shell]

by our definitions here

[cobalt pewter]

I mean if boss AI is not ever gonna change thru suggs, what's the point of allowing it yea

or just inlcude boss ai into massive suggs

for the don'ts

[hollow shell]

Because it'd
take away a lot of power from suggesters, really
Doesn't feel right to tell them to not ask for any boss changes, aside from super minor stuff

Bosses are like half of the game

[small timber]

it is something like this will be very debatable

[unique vector]

yes

basically

its a weird position where fab has absolute verdict over this

so not omly are suggs like that sorta overstepping their area they also have an extreme minimal chance of being pushed unless every other dev unanimously agrees

[cobalt pewter]

just state that

[hollow shell]

(that sugg is a bit specific and I should've pinged for that, whoops)

[cobalt pewter]

like literally

[unique vector]

up to rover

i dont do the rules here i just lurk and tell ppl they stink

[cobalt pewter]

"Fab is the only one that does boss AI, don't even bother suggesting boss AI"

boom

[small timber]

(ya it was not that specific at first so it was missed, since it was only half the part of 1 suggestion)

[hollow shell]

Still really don't want to add that as a rule

[crude geode]

That sounds extremely restrictive and stifling

[cobalt pewter]

fair enough

[small timber]

I think the main point is still to bring part of boss AI to attention, just that many suggestions are more "if I suggest to rework this way it will happen", rather than pointing to what is problematic/need improvement

[crude geode]

Could bring up the comparison of custom item suggestions, which isn’t the best example but we don’t really have good other comparisons for don’ts in this situation

[hollow shell]

There was indeed a comparison made to SISs in the dev's discussion on this

[crude geode]

I think the comparison is best if you bring up specificity and chances of being implemented
For example, rework this phase with a green filter on the screen and puke balls and so on and so forth and add this cool item that shoots lasers are both specific and have drastically lowered chances of being added due to not being what the devs want.
On the other hand, examples again, Add more variety to mage in post-ml and change destroyer’s barrage bc x y z are far less specific and leave far more open to how things can be done in the future.

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[crude geode]

It’s a tricky line to walk, and something we should probably be more observant about in the future

[hollow shell]

And honestly the Destroyer sugg that got posted was pretty reasonable on that front

[grave zinc]

@warm jetty - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Calming Potion Effects from Cadance Potion]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

He didn't describe any kind of new system, he just said to go back to vanilla

Ahye

[grave zinc]

@stable musk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Lunar Pickaxe tooltip more clear]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ruby plover]

here they come

oh. it was just like, 2

[small timber]

also just out of curiosity is my suggestions in limbo? since it was never updated whether accept or deny

and this

[crude geode]

Nice
I think disallowing boss ai suggs is something that can be discussed more, but I think currently they represent a good tool that hasn’t been abused nearly as much as custom item suggs

Prolly because the system is just far more critical than it was pre-SIS ban, leading to more quality suggestions about boss AI

[hollow shell]

If your sugg doesn't get any updated status, that means the devs had a middling opinion, not enough in either direction for a conclusion to be drawn

[unique vector]

i can prolly sift through them and point out ones ppl didnt vote on

when i have my internet backk

[crude geode]

Pixl touching grass?????

[cobalt pewter]

so true

[grave zinc]

@grim tusk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Improve the rendering of the astral haze to be smoother and less laggy]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Readd Rod of Discord Crafting Recipe (But With Massively Increased Cost)]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[raven cradle]

LEBRON JAMES

[cobalt pewter]

@unique vector murder

[unique vector]

mfw

gone

[hollow shell]

Weird person

They were gonna get punished sooner or later

[violet dagger]

well they were warned

[fleet igloo]

They seem to have left?

[hollow shell]

(banned)

[stiff wren]

Best suggestion in this server's history

[golden tulip]

so true

[pulsar marlin]

make new boss

Lmao

He doesn't know it's forbidden

[small timber]

I did it, finally

wait wrong channel

[violet dagger]

well I mean this suggestion is 🛠️

[river glen]

make new boss

[cursive briar]

☑️

[cobalt heath]

the practise mode would be awesome

[small timber]

nothing, that was what I said too

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell exclam

[frigid harbor]

storm how did you get those roles

[violet dagger]

nohit roles

[frigid harbor]

what does that mean

[distant gyro]

nohit all bosses in the indicated difficulty

[fossil finch]

they are gone forever

[golden tulip]

no theyre not

🤨

[ashen warren]

[golden tulip]

what am i missing

[ashen warren]

that this is the suggestion discussion channel

[golden tulip]

truetrue.gif

[exotic stag]

byes defiled soul is legacy role

[golden tulip]

from 1.5.1 on yes

but it sounded like neko meant all

[grim tusk]

#info

[gray nebula]

tbh theyre kinda uniquer than most broadswords but also thas a good idea

[eternal escarp]

well yeah

the only one that actually has anything going for it though is the

mantis claws

where it just suddenly implodes iirc

blike imagine a smaller and weaker charge attack

hell it makes sense for Mandible Claws considering Antlions kinda nyoom around iirc

[dapper coral]

(haha what if i told you that the explosion doesnt do any damage)

[sleek wadi]

Would also help to further distinguish mandible and mycelial claws which for the longest time were reskins of each other

[small timber]

@rough venture being too difficult is not an excuse especially when other players done it fair and square (do not use no-hits as reference, they are doing it the most consistent way possible not the ONLY way), if you want anything you should rather suggest nerf instead

and except for Malice, the brotherphase is in NO WAY NEAR IMPOSSIBLE, and even in Malice you have way to get pass it
and basing suggestion around Malice will just not work

[rough venture]

if there is a way to do it on Malice, i sure as hell haven't found it yet

[small timber]

if your suggestion is based on Malice then I will say the chance of implementation will be very slim, considering the general approach to Malice change is "as long as it is not completely up to RNG (like BoC) it don't really get touched"

and your suggestion HAVE to based on Malice, because even Death Mode brotherphase is rather weak

and that is not counting the fact that you are basically suggesting a rework/removal of a core concept of the boss (brotherphase being literally the main phase beside bullet hells), so it is extra not gonna happen

[glossy stone]

No Nitro moment hehe

[stiff wren]

M**ice

[small timber]

if you want to improve the chance of it actually happening, suggest nerfing it instead of reworking/removal (which is both much more work and have 99% chance denied), 2 notable thing is cal clone herself shooting and the flamethrower range

[eternal escarp]

that would be absolutely sad

[dapper coral]

then cry.

[fossil finch]

didn't fab wanna rework calbros anyway

[dapper coral]

(its actually quite frustrating because the tooltip even lists that it explodes on hit, but its false advertising because it's purely visual)

[fossil finch]

then just fix it

bigbrai

[dapper coral]

so true...

[eternal escarp]

boohooboo

[sleek wadi]

idk, halve the base damage of the initial swing and use that half on the explosion and give it local I-frames or something

[eternal escarp]

@worn cobalt seperate your suggestions