suggestions-discussion

[crude geode]

Fabsol:

@lapis canyon Interesting is a slightly subjective thing. Personally, the idea of dog simply spamming teleports during his final phase sounds pretty boring and uninspired.

[sleek wadi]

Spamming teleports is not the way to go, all segments but DoG's head goes invincible for a couple of seconds when it leaves the teleport meaning the last 18% would probably last as long as the rest of phase 2.

Either that or the teleport invuln is removed and DoG instantly blows up against the first explosive thrown at it

[lapis canyon]

I didn’t say it he has to spam it, perhaps like 3 in a row?

Then again im just leaving the general idea

[crude geode]

More ideas would make it feel better in the sugg

[lapis canyon]

I could. But I don’t want to get ahead of myself

I could just suggest “rework the entire fight”

[exotic stag]

just like

2 or 3 ideas is good

[crude geode]

That’s also a fine sugg tbh dog deserves it

[ashen warren]

[exotic stag]

diet

thats a vanilla issue

[lapis canyon]

That’ll most likely unable to pass

[unique vector]

suggs disc on their way to rework every boss known to existence i see

[lapis canyon]

So true

[exotic stag]

sugg disc also on their way to not realize a vanilla issue

[unique vector]

@ashen warren probably shouldnt make a rant post as a suggestion

[ashen warren]

Oops

[exotic stag]

also

posting vanilla issue

[ashen warren]

Sorry

[unique vector]

no worries!

[ashen warren]

💀

[unique vector]

anyway like i said

[crude geode]

So true

[unique vector]

its hard enough for other devs to try and push for boss changes

[ashen warren]

Ok but

[unique vector]

i rlly doubt any of these even if approved will get through fab

[ashen warren]

Duke has been a big problem for me

[unique vector]

since he already has his internal plans

[ashen warren]

And then that theme was so cringe I wanna puke but I overcame duke anyway it’s fine

Fabsol epic

[grim tusk]

Just install a music mod if you want good music for duke

[cobalt pewter]

part of his internal plans being that dog will forever be resprited and still fight poorly?

honestly it's weird how I have the unpopular opinion on most things

Duke's theme's alright to me, just a bit slow

[grim tusk]

There are plans to make it more epic

[ashen warren]

He’s kinda right

[crude geode]

I was gonna say isn’t dog already a point of contention for devs

[unique vector]

part of his internal plans that he’s slowly changing death and malice stuff

[ashen warren]

But DoG is good I like DoG I keep his summon with me everywhere so when I’m bored I just summon him

[unique vector]

although yes DoG is his like pride and possession so dont expect any drastic changes before any resprites happen lol

trust me, some of us have tried

:^)

[ashen warren]

Fabsol is scarey

[crude geode]

Yeah that sounds about right

[fossil finch]

The Lightened Masses
We will make the judgement call.

[cobalt pewter]

death I can see, but malice is like, super sunk cost moment

it didn't need to exist if they removed rivs and legendaries before 1.5

[crude geode]

Yeah big agree

[grim tusk]

I dont understand why DoG is his pride when he just made better stuff over the years but leave him to his thoughts I guess

[unique vector]

fab isnt rlly scary

hes just stubborn sometimes (not necessarily a bad thing)

[ashen warren]

Give up free will forever their voices won't be heard at all.

[unique vector]

and you gotta work with stubborn people

[silver silo]

Can I post a video link to show something to someone here pixl (it’s relevant to the discussion earlier)

[unique vector]

sure

[grim tusk]

As long as it doesnt break the rules

[unique vector]

[ashen warren]

You better not let him hear u say that

[unique vector]

he isnt some matriarchal deity

[ashen warren]

But

He made calamity

[unique vector]

im free to say what i want

[ashen warren]

So he is

A deity

[unique vector]

plus im not actively berating him lol

[ashen warren]

Lol okay

[crude geode]

This just reminds me of when people are actively scared to like. ping mods. Unless this is a troll which I don’t doubt lol

[fossil finch]

No,
With free will forever, our voices will be heard for once.

Anyways uh

[grim tusk]

I remember when people were even afraid to ping anyone with a colored role

[fossil finch]

yeah hope dog gets a rework when his resprite comes

[silver silo]

I’m on mobile so I can’t timestamp but this video at 8 minutes, is that kind of what you had in mind

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tO6BIKFqv6E

[fossil finch]

Maybe even dialogue changes

[exotic stag]

i'll timestamp

[silver silo]

Ty

[exotic stag]

https://youtu.be/tO6BIKFqv6E?t=480

[silver silo]

He does a portal attack that sort of is what came to mind when you guys discussed that

[grim tusk]

Add ?t=[seconds]

[exotic stag]

mobile yt

[silver silo]

I woke up like 10 minutes ago bro I can’t do math

[grim tusk]

So something like that Infernum DoG teaser or smth?

[fossil finch]

yes

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/893948640161321031/928866696045924362/8mb.video-PIz-VvRjqwCf.mp4

[silver silo]

Yeah literally that lmfao I hadn’t seen that before

[exotic stag]

can we make DoG like that one mario odyssey worm boss

[grim tusk]

I dont recall odysey having a worm

It does have a centipede of sorts

[exotic stag]

mecha wiggler

[grim tusk]

But deus already sort of does that lol

[silver silo]

I would be a happy man if that made it into the game

[crude geode]

I will say kinda odd to have one developer do so many difficulties

Since we now have normal, expert, Rev, death, and malice

Kind of a lot for one person (Fabsol) to do on their own, even if it’s only bosses

[grim tusk]

At least the burden of items is lifted by other programmer devs

And some AIs

[unique vector]

his choice idk

[crude geode]

Malice mode just kinda feels like sunk cost fallacy

[unique vector]

he wants to do them himself so he has a space he can claim is his own work

its not efficient but i respect his wishes

[small timber]

just out of curiosity does exo mechs happen first or infernum mechs happen first?

because I think it can be said that they took inspiration from one of the other

[grim tusk]

Infernum mechs happened first but a lot of inspiration was from the same source: Metal gear rising

[fossil finch]

Exo mechs technically had been concepted and worked on long before infernum was released

[grim tusk]

And that too

[small timber]

ya that is what I meant, but I guess since it is the same dev team they probably built on the idea

just different iteration

[crude geode]

Dev(elopment) hell

[unique vector]

just gain the trust of the rest of the team and become more devs ngl

[grim tusk]

Infernum Prime just screams Sundowner, esp with its rework where it also took inspiration from Ares

[unique vector]

we’ve already absorbed storm into our hive mind

we will claim your brains too

[crude geode]

Give up free will to make ravager not cringe

[grim tusk]

Eventually™️

[crude geode]

Dev(elopment) hell strikes again

[grim tusk]

I should maybe make some teasers for Inf.
Esp OD which I’ve been planning for a while

[unique vector]

becoming a dev after being here as a suggs disc gremlin will actually be a bad thing for you guys

[grim tusk]

Infernum Rav is also stuck in dev hell

[grim tusk]

:true…:

[unique vector]

because you’re gonna find out 90% of your proposed changes are in some form a planned development thing

[crude geode]

Just like 6 months down the line

[unique vector]

more like a year

[crude geode]

Trueeee

[small timber]

epic future content moment

[unique vector]

true and real

if omly we had more time

[crude geode]

I love 15% unpopular changes but I see why pushing them is hard

[fossil finch]

Just get more devs

Basic rule of 3

More people working=less time

[unique vector]

kinda yea kinda no

bc then u get immensely bottlenecked by 1) being a decentralized team and 2) testers

[fossil finch]

i know it's

It's a

[unique vector]

crime against humanity

[vocal grotto]

*Golem

[crude geode]

I hate how that could reasonably be taken as a ravager is just golem comment

[small timber]

tbh except ravager fist other part of ravager is not really the same as golem, they are just too close in progression (and similar broken body part concept)

[crude geode]

I wonder if the great rebalancing brought attention to the fact that testers are a hot commodity

[unique vector]

kinda sorta

[vocal grotto]

Calamity slowly siphoning away my test team until I'm left with nothing
Byeah might be something to discuss in in a different channel

[small timber]

#suggestions-voting message I just notice shouldn't this suggestion be 🔒? since the difficulty indicator kind of only has 1 slot now after the suggestion is posted

[crude geode]

Indeed it should

[unique vector]

:))

[unique vector]

it hasnt been a week yet

[grave zinc]

@small tusk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework Biome Shrines]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[small tusk]

Happy noises

[grim tusk]

@alpine scarab although adding more stuff to the ocean would be nice, your suggestion is way too specific; look at the pinned document at the top of #suggestions-posting or in here to see how you can write your suggestion

[alpine scarab]

Ah i sensed something was wrong with it. Thank you

Ah I see, i made the suggestion way too big. Sure coral reefs would be nice but that would interfere with your plans for future content. Maybe ill go a considerable downsize on my suggestion. Maybe just tiny details that would take barely 15 pixels to make. Though I may not be a modder, I have designed some. I think I know what to change it too.

[grim tusk]

@fleet bobcat install Calamity’s vanities

[fleet bobcat]

i do have it installed i think

lemme check

[grim tusk]

Update it then

[fleet bobcat]

nvm i dont have it installed

now i have it

fr

[grim tusk]

Is your Calamity version outdated?

[fleet bobcat]

no

i update it whenever i can

[grim tusk]

Check the version number

[fleet bobcat]

1.5.0.4

[grim tusk]

Hmm try exiting and reentering the game, also make sure the Cal vanities ver you got is 9.1.1

[fleet bobcat]

it is

[grim tusk]

You should prob move to Cal vanities server bugs channel then

[fleet bobcat]

k

[hasty rune]

Whoever suggested the bounding potion thing, did you know that making a town (3+ npcs) will make critter stonks SKYROCKET?

although grinding vines is the more annoying part imo

[crude geode]

@fleet bobcat shadowspec is specifically “dev tier”

[fleet bobcat]

oh yea

i forgot about that ,-,

[alpine scarab]

Ooh i may have done it again. It might be too specific. Blasted

[fleet bobcat]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[alpine scarab]

It is what it is I suppose

Ill eventually get the hang of it. Its been a while since I have made a suggestion to any server.

[grim tusk]

Yea still too specific

[alpine scarab]

Yes I know. Maybe I should lay off the ocean a bit. Other than that I have no problem with the rest of the mod.

[fleet igloo]

What if I suggest that Calclone shoots brimstone hellblasts to make the AI 5% more unique™️

Would that be a good addition

[grim tusk]

Perhaps but idk if it will pass

[hollow idol]

am perfectly fine and semi-actively support REAL auric and bloodstone furniture ngl, would make the toilet less stupid 🛏️

[crude geode]

Yeah the fact that auric toilet is the only official furniture is stupid

[fleet bobcat]

lol

someone asked me to craft that earlier and when i did i felt really stupid

[violet dagger]

you cannot convince me auric toilet exists for any reason other than the meme

[hollow idol]

what else would it be)

[fleet bobcat]

its in the same vein as terra toilet

[hollow idol]

: (

[fleet bobcat]

give

my pc cant run cal vanity's bc of a fucking dye

[hollow idol]

iirc for the dye bug you gotta
Turn on support4k in TML's config.

[fleet bobcat]

ight

[fleet bobcat]

i cant find it

[hollow idol]

config.json in documents/my games/terraria/modloader (if you're on windows)

[fleet bobcat]

k

[small timber]

(I don't know how to reply with a previous message so I will just type it) ya I know but the convo is basically that it is a very specific knowledge that most people probably do not know about, for vine ya I just did not realise that vine is actually an ingredient that get used up a lot, since usually you don't use vine much outside of bounding

[small timber]

although the suggestion is still mostly about making the potion overall easier to be acquired (not just only by increasing vine cost) so I think it is still fine

[fleet bobcat]

cant find config.json (im on windows btw)

[hollow idol]

weird, should be there in that folder

[cobalt pewter]

mfw not even exclaimed

[exotic stag]

should be here fyi. Lil late i know

[grim tusk]

Just ping a mod
@marble hazel shadowspec stuff and sugg is rather questionable in nature

[small timber]

oh ya does shadowspec technically is a don't? I mean building block

[grim tusk]

Yep

[small timber]

since it technically is reserved for devs/donor recipe only

[grim tusk]

If sugg was only auric it would be more acceptable

[small timber]

I think just ping him regardless, @fleet bobcat techincally shadowspec is reserved for devs/donor item only (although it is just building block), so you probably should ask a mod here first to see if it is a don't

if it is a don't then I think just only suggest auric should be good

[exotic stag]

new sugg: i dont think sulphurous sea is habitable by anything other then trashers stones and aquatic scoog

[small timber]

nah it technically is fine (otherwise acid rain content literally have no lore reason to exist), I just think you need to slightly change the suggestion reason: sulphurous sea have "fishing content", namely the different accessories and boxes, just not ALIVE FISH

[cobalt pewter]

mfw I wasn't even talking about the shadowspec

( #suggestions-voting )

[stiff wren]

bone fish

[golden tulip]

shoutout to that discussion we had last night here

[grave zinc]

@vocal ivy - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a method to spawn the plague pre-golem and by extension PBG too]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[vocal ivy]

LET'S GO

[eternal escarp]

that is rather nice, yeah

[glossy stone]

omg so cool

[golden tulip]

already becoming a 1.4 thing

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message

[golden tulip]

huh?

[tawny garden]

that was 2 months ago

[crude geode]

True

Should still receive blue check

[grim tusk]

@ashen warren

1- no valid reasoning
2- Install Calamity’s Vanities

Yes

[novel belfry]

yes do nerf the calbros speed

LITERALLY THE WORST PART OF THE ENTIRE FIGHT

[ruby plover]

and also the range of the flamethrower COMBINED with the speed is really intense and kinda unnecessary

[novel belfry]

why the whole thing with "Install CalVal"

[grim tusk]

It has that feature

[novel belfry]

seriously, the sugg sounds like it should be in base cal

i know

but still, dismissing a sugg with merit "install calval". Really?

[frozen hornet]

It's much easier to just install calval than to wait for the sugg to go through voting

[novel belfry]

i suppose so

but still

[cobalt pewter]

while it does sound a bit dismissive, using calval is a solid alternative while waiting

[grim tusk]

the sugg had no reasoning other than the invalid "it would be cool"

[cobalt pewter]

who knows if they'd even consider calval when seeing the sugg

and yes, the lack of proper reasoning is the big reason why this sugg needs to be addressed

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell there are some suggs that may need ❗

[hollow shell]

m

@runic harbor Your title could specify the Sulphurous Sea as that is the only "area" you have in mind.
Also, it does have fishing content, it's just that that content is synonymous with the Abyss (Abyssal Crate, Abyssal Amulet, etc). You should be asking for more fishing content that's themed around the Sulphurous Sea, or specify that you mean fish catches rather than items, be them common fish or quest fish.

(currently looking into the HotE one)

[sand ermine]

I think they meant the normal ocean?

Not too sure though

[hollow shell]

wdym

[hollow shell]

Okay I have looked into it and am now sufficiently educated

@ashen warren Your suggestion should make note of the fact that Daawnlight Spirit Origin and Howl's Heart are both accessories that have summons, which can be placed in vanity slots to have them only be aesthetic and not attack or whatever.
Heart of the Elements does not yet have this feature, nor do its constituents. Your sugg's reasoning would be stronger if you pointed out this inconsistency.

[cobalt pewter]

@rough venture idk if it's already addressed, but 1.4 vanilla already has this feature, so it'd be redundant for cal to add this feature.

[small timber]

I think calamity can add it for now

because we will have to wait for year 2042 for calamity 1.4

[cobalt pewter]

ok let's add zenith for now

[small timber]

the difference of zenith is that it is a 1.4 journey end exclusive content, like EoL and QS

[sand ermine]

and lets also add in empress of light for now, because obviously she will be a very important addition for calamity even though 1.4 adds her

[small timber]

making WoF actually despawn properly when player dies is making it actually consistent with every single other boss in the game

[hollow shell]

C'mon Eyewadro

Can you stop being reductive

and Loki

as well

[cobalt pewter]

true

either way

[sand ermine]

Sorry, just trying to make a little joke

[cobalt pewter]

I'm wondering what cal's stance on things like this

[hollow shell]

Making WoF despawn when not in the underworld would be quite easy to add

er

Probably

Yeah it'll probably be quite easy to add

[sand ermine]

Yeah

[small timber]

I think the only check they probably have to make is just check if any player is alive, so probably not very difficult (I assume)

just that it was kept since vanilla was that way

[cobalt pewter]

trying so hard not to make a wall of flesh rant rn

but yes

[hollow shell]

You can edit your suggestion

I mean, I'll keep your sugg Exclam'd until it's edited :P

[grave zinc]

@stable wedge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a Map Icon for the Desert Nuisances]

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@unique glade - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Post early game uses for Wulfrum Metal Scraps and Energy Cores]

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@fleet igloo - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Play the intro of Forbidden Lullaby in between Anahita leaving and Leviathan spawning, similarly to DoG’s phase transition]

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@lapis canyon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Increase biome height range during boss fights]

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@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give HP Bar Special Effect When Boss Is Invincible/Have Absurd Defense As Mechanic]

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@unborn siren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework or just undo the changes to Destroyer's barrage system]

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@lapis canyon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Anihita join Leviathan at 50%]

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@mighty schooner - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[chaos state volume cue]

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@crude geode - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Move Ravager to Post-Provi and make him the only bloodstone boss]

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[crude geode]

smh my head spam

[stable wedge]

true

[grave zinc]

@ruby plover - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make many large projectiles make a sound effect when being destroyed from touching a block]

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@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Stop the Exo Twins desyncing their attacks]

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@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff Launch and Pull Velocity of All Pre-Moon Lord (especially Hardmode) Hooks]

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@unique glade - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Post early game uses for Wulfrum Metal Scraps and Energy Cores]

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[violet dagger]

when the 🛠️

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff Launch and Pull Velocity of All Pre-Moon Lord (especially Hardmode) Hooks]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@crude geode - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Move Ravager to Post-Provi and make him the only bloodstone boss]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[stiff wren]

when the 🛠️

[small timber]

wait they approved that? surprise

[violet dagger]

wow this is major

[grave zinc]

@stable musk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Lunar Pickaxe tooltip more clear]

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@warm jetty - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Calming Potion Effects from Cadance Potion]

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[violet dagger]

I expected that to get denied

[crude geode]

Thank fucking god

[small timber]

immediately onto to do list too, instead of just green check

[crude geode]

Ravager can finally not be like. the worst

[violet dagger]

I can't complain I like the suggestion

[stable musk]

cool

[frozen hornet]

Holy shit it happened

[unique vector]

(reminder that an immediate 🛠️ most likely refers to it have already been something we planned for a future release)

[small timber]

wait they planned on moving ravager?

[unique vector]

if its tools then that’s a safe assumption

[still zodiac]

well they probably have other things to do first before changing rav

[sand ermine]

thats definitely interesting how theyre now planning to move ravager

[crude geode]

Dev(elopment) hell be quirky like that

See you in a year when it finally gets into the game

[hollow shell]

Yeah 😔

But it is indeed a major change

[cobalt pewter]

bottom text indeed

[hollow shell]

And one that I know has been suggested for literal years

[crude geode]

Disconnects it from golem more as well

[unique vector]

ur a golem

[cobalt pewter]

roasted

[crude geode]

[unique vector]

suggs discussion playing a game of battleship to find which ideas are planned future content

[crude geode]

Pretty much

I assume the major “on list” thing is the movement to post-ml and not bloodstone stuff

[unique vector]

i cannot speak on that matter

maybe make more suggestions and you’ll find out

[crude geode]

[hollow idol]

it never ends

[crude geode]

nondisclosure agreements

[cobalt pewter]

I've heard way too much NDA for my own sanity since yesterday

[crude geode]

Nondisclosure agreement that all bosses are replaced with crabulon next update

[grave zinc]

@grim tusk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Improve the rendering of the astral haze to be smoother and less laggy]

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[unique vector]

hololive fucker

[crude geode]

Smh my head feedza watches vtubers

[sand ermine]

vtubers are garbage and boring

just watch something which is actually worth your time like a good netflix documentary or hang out with your friends

only reason people even watch vtubers in the first place is because they need some sort of human interaction while still staying in their room, doing nothing expecting something to happen

[crude geode]

[cobalt pewter]

[unique vector]

so true

[unique vector]

kind of a really cringe and unfunny take to shit on someone’s form of entertainment just because it isnt your style

but go off

[cobalt pewter]

....streamers in general are exactly this?

[crude geode]

Big agree

[unique vector]

literally people dont talk shit about ppl who watch twitch streamers or youtubers all day but as soon as an anime girl avatar is in the context its all for game huh

anyway

[cobalt pewter]

yeah off topic

rav move

[unique vector]

not the right place for a silly conversation

[cobalt pewter]

gonna be funny to see Cranium Smasher becoming cringe if Rav is somewhere else

[crude geode]

(It isn’t currently?)

[cobalt pewter]

(it kinda is)

[crude geode]

It does at least have lunar events but yeah more swarms would improve it’s “viability”

[unique vector]

wtf is cranium smasher

[cobalt pewter]

[[Cranium Smasher]]

[crude geode]

Big bowling ball

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Cranium_Smasher

[crude geode]

For rogue

[unique vector]

rogue moment

[cobalt pewter]

rogue moment

bottom (text)

[sand ermine]

rogue terrifies me and confuses my small turnip sized brain

[crude geode]

Neat evolution of the whole barrel line without making it upgrade through like 99% of the game

[cobalt pewter]

yeah the weapon is an indirect upgrade to the barrels

[sand ermine]

is rogue just the combination of ranger and melee? like throwable weapons

because the only classes i ever touch are warrior and ranger

[inland saddle]

the bot may or may not have shit itself during this week's pooling resulting in some low star suggs getting passed

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Readd Rod of Discord Crafting Recipe (But With Massively Increased Cost)]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
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[inland saddle]

but it SHOULD be fixed now

[cobalt pewter]

I mean

it's throwing, just a bit more advanced

[sand ermine]

Basically the smart kid version of throwing?

[unique vector]

throwing with a mana bar

[crude geode]

It’s melee but with consistent identity

[cobalt pewter]

as a connoisseur of balls stealth, I'm a bit offended that you'd bring stealth down to mana's level

[crude geode]

Every other update stealth causes some stupid game break lol

[cobalt pewter]

what update doesn't result in a stupid game break anyways

[crude geode]

True

[cobalt pewter]

shoutout to lava slime

[tawny garden]

yey hedidit

[golden tulip]

what the fuck

post provi ravager

cursed

[pulsar marlin]

Question: What does tools emote mean at the suggestions?

[unique vector]

you can find a legend in the pins here!

[pulsar marlin]

Ok thank you

[hollow shell]

@lapis canyon "players who prefer to not play with the minimap." is a pretty weak argument
There are tons of other bosses you can lose track of if you don't reference the minimap (or have other mods to direct you to their location)

[unique vector]

adhering to a minor audience of players aughdhhsjdh

[lapis canyon]

eh i guess

[small timber]

telegraph will also probably not work very well, if it is near you the telegraph will be just right below your foot always (since it aims at player), if it is far away chances are the telegraph is out of screen completely

just because of how desert scourge behave

[sand ermine]

yeah

couldnt you also just use the boss cursor mod

[small timber]

nah preferably it is not essential, but boss cursor is basically lazy man's minimap anyway

[sand ermine]

i still prefer boss cursor

[hollow shell]

iirc it does not aim at the player

[unique vector]

its predictive right

[hollow shell]

It intentionally misses off to one side, and then tries to fall back down onto you

[unique vector]

or that

i was half right

[hollow shell]

It was inspired by the Magma Worms from RoR1
https://youtu.be/VdZ4gmBrj3g?t=31

(funnily enough this one does have a telegraph)

[small timber]

I think for this it seems much more needed just because no minimap

(or at least the vid didn't show, havent play ror 1

because otherwise it will be a complete gamble of whether it come out from left or right side of the player

[small timber]

and ya this one is my mistake, usually I stay very far from ds, the time where it aims directly at me (because he is right below surface level, like only 10 blocks away) I kind of immediately step into its predictive AI (since the attack happen so soon)

[fossil finch]

Holy fuck

[fossil finch]

Probably both actually

One dev mentioned they had plans for bloodstone to not be cringe

So

[unique glade]

😄

[golden tulip]

yea i really liked that one too

nice one

[runic harbor]

Should I re write it then?

[ashen warren]

yes

[runic harbor]

Ok

[small timber]

nah too late

it already go into voting

[runic harbor]

:(

I'll make a draft then post when it is denied

[inner lark]

So do I repost my sentinels suggestion if it's still in voting limbo?

[small timber]

probably no, reposting in general is discouraged (as otherwise everyone will just repost if their suggestion didnt get accepted)

(unless it had been a really long time, like 4 months or something, don't really have a standard yet)

[cobalt pewter]

@safe oasis when do you start getting beyond 100% crit chance and how much by endgame?

[small timber]

dawnlight spirit origin have a crit bonus for the fact that it is OBNOXIOUSLY DIFFICULT to use, dark god sheeth is just an completely overpowered accessory

[cobalt pewter]

for rogue

and yes

DSO is

quirky

to say the least

[safe oasis]

wdym

[small timber]

making it do anything to extra crit chance will just make a bloated accessory even more overpowered, and ya also if you have dark god sheeth you just don't get any more crit chance (rogue accessory generally have tiny crit chance anyway)

[cobalt pewter]

just asking, because if you really want to have something like this on dark god memes, I feel like it should only apply when you have beyond 100% crit chance in the first place

[grim tusk]

The sheath line as a whole lol

[cobalt pewter]

because DSO is way harder to use in comparison

I kinda prefer one-off accessories than fat crafting tree ones for rogue for reasons I can't really describe

(if they're well designed)

I think I'm just sick of fat crafting trees in general

[small timber]

to put it simply:
daawnlight spirit origin crit bonus is the compensation for the COST, with DSO you CANNOT CRIT if you don't hit the mark, therefore it is a super high COST that must be rewarded somewhere else (a.k.a. crit bonus)

Darkgod's Sheath' crit chance/guaranteed crit by itself is the REWARD for using the accessory, it is always active if you use stealth strike (you easily can, and why use this accessory if you spam), there is no reason for it to be rewarded even further

[safe oasis]

i honestly don’t see how dso being harder to use means anything in this case

i’m not saying it should boost damage even further, just want it to do something to extra crit chance

[small timber]

have you use daawnlight spirit origin, and use a weapon that is supposed to take advantage of the accessory, like any sniper?

then you can try to aim at a target that change every single shot (that can appear at the back of the hitbox so sometimes you literally cannot hit it) and must aim precisely at the target, while: dodge yharon fireball and deal with his charge; dodge 3 exo mechs; dodge scal projectiles

and the other one is you attack every 2 sec instead of hold left click

[safe oasis]

again, i don’t see how that matters at all

[small timber]

then I will use the simplest term: dark god sheeth is so much easier to use than DSO that you shouldn't compare the function of the two, Darkgod Sheath have guarantee crit by itself is already overpowered and have no reason to give it additional crit effect, because it will only make an overpowered accessory even more overpowered

[safe oasis]

the point still stands that an accessory that literally guarantees crits shouldn’t give you completely useless crit chance

the problem isn’t that it’s weak, the problem is that it’s redundant

[grim tusk]

have you heard of projectile spawning accs

like exhorter or corrosive spine

[cobalt pewter]

if you want, you can strip everything else about the acc and just make it focus on guaranteed stealth crit, but even then it'd still be hard to balance

[grim tusk]

or hybrid rogue

[small timber]

then they should just remove the guaranteed crit chance from darkgod's sheath because it is apparently a problem

if that is what you want to say

[cobalt pewter]

...sorta

[small timber]

so there is no more exceeded crit chance

[grim tusk]

agreed

[cobalt pewter]

I can see it being a standalone acc that also utilizes excess crit

but that's beyond what's possible for the commoners

[safe oasis]

if it solves the problem and remains viable then sure yeah

no problem with that

[grim tusk]

the +20 stealth and stats should be enough

[fossil finch]

It's not as much of a problem anymore now that stealth doesn't augment your crit chance honestly

[grim tusk]

(it is a big problem)

[cobalt pewter]

don't forget half stealth and the

regen accel

there's a lot going on with dark god memes

if anything I'd say just make the progression with the sheath side of Eclipse Mirror line a lot more smoother in power progression

[safe oasis]

incredible counter sugg (now neither suggs will get enough stars to pass because voters will pick their favorite, therefore splitting votes in half)

[small timber]

because dark god's sheath crit had always been a super broken effect in the game, whether it make crit chance get wasted or not, it simply cannot be buffed any further

I do not expect the suggestion to get accepted (as testers will probably have giant headache), but I will still try

[safe oasis]

yeah but at least wait a week so the votes don’t get split like that lol

[glossy stone]

Is there still a star requirement? I didn't see them anywhere.

[small timber]

it is now (something like) based on the top 20% of star count of the average of what all the suggestions get in the week, so basically if your suggestion is top 20% highest star count of the week it get pass

[vocal ivy]

why did my thing get pass when it had like 20 stars

[small timber]

I think it is because you suggested something that the devs are already working on, or just some devs see your suggestion and think that it is a great idea and decided to personally make it happen

more likely because they are already working on it though

[cobalt pewter]

a

[unique vector]

what xpc said

we decided its fine to mark something as on our todo early even if it doesnt get passed

[cobalt pewter]

[glossy stone]

I see

One of my suggs got 110+ stars and didn't get picked up so I was a bit puzzled lol

[vocal ivy]

ah ok

[vocal ivy]

Would suggesting changing the tier of a boss be allowed?

[unique vector]

i would highly advise against it unless you have an extremely good reason for that

the only special case was ravager bc it was already in our internal planning

[vocal ivy]

I was gonna say move slime god to pre-skeletron as generally post skeletron mobility makes it pretty much a joke and you only need hellstone to make statigel gear

[unique vector]

i see exactly zero reasons as to why thats a good idea

you'll be bloating pre-skeletron tier wise

[vocal ivy]

what about doing it in reverse and making slime god seem more post-skeletron?

right now there's absolutely nothing to suggest you fight it post skeletron except for boss checklist and item power

[unique vector]

doing the reverse is more practical yeah

[vocal ivy]

Mainly I just wanted to fix slime god's progression

It feels so out of place currently

[stiff wren]

make slime god a pre king slime boss

[sand ermine]

make slime god a pre-spawn boss

[violet dagger]

make slime god a pre-worldgen boss

[stiff wren]

make king slime a secret boss you fight in the title screen

[vocal ivy]

what should I do if my suggestion is too long for one message

[stiff wren]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh write it on a doc and send it or something idk

[unique vector]

if its too long thats probably a sign that you should cut it down

technically discord will autoconvert it into a .txt (unless you're on iOS) but

just try to write something that doesnt become an essay to read

[fossil finch]

i don't see how slime god is any out of place honestly

he's a good boss for the progression tier

your mobility also doesn't change from pre to post skeletron

[unique vector]

wings

[fossil finch]

(aside aerealite wings, but those suck compared to bob)

yeah, but nobody uses them

bob is a better option

[unique vector]

found the bob enjoyer

executing target

[fossil finch]

execute bob instead

[cobalt pewter]

[fossil finch]

or buff aero wings

[unique vector]

mfw

[vocal ivy]

Bob is its own issue

[fossil finch]

yeah but still

i don't see how mobility is a point: there is virtually no change

[vocal ivy]

Wings are very powerful for a hopping boss

BoB will probably be addressed on its own

[gray nebula]

non linearity fail

please don't give sg a slowing debuff everyone hates the distortion debuff the core applies (applied?)

[vocal ivy]

I'll just delete that

Brb

[gray nebula]

also I'm glad aerialite wings suck because they should

[fossil finch]

applies

still

[gray nebula]

imagine prehm wings... ggot damn!

oh ok

[fossil finch]

of course it can be circumvented with a hook but if you tell someone that they kill you because you can't design things with workarounds that are not conventional

also because a hook sucks if any of the two guardians are still alive

[vocal ivy]

I deleted the slow debuff part

[fossil finch]

also i'm not sure how much people without boss checklist should be considered or not

[vocal ivy]

Didn't really address it anyways

[cobalt pewter]

wings should be

[fossil finch]

this community is really heavy on support mods and boss checklist is one of the most important ones of those
Virtually anyone who asks for help anywhere will get told to get it

[cobalt pewter]

suckier

in general

[fossil finch]

feed do not the wings

[cobalt pewter]

the wings yes

[fossil finch]

purists aren't something to take into consideration at all no i think

[vocal ivy]

A lot of people who don't interact with the community do that

[fossil finch]

this is impossible to discuss

we don't know if those people exist because

they don't interact with the community

[vocal ivy]

Also pretty much forcing people to have other mods to understand something isn't good

[vocal ivy]

You find some on polls generally

[vocal ivy]

I don't necessarily need mobility as a point it's just that something about the fight doesn't feel post skeletron

[fossil finch]

you

idk it's kinda just

is discord being poopshit

[vocal ivy]

?

[fossil finch]

did i post the same message twice

discord is being poopshit yeah

[vocal ivy]

Yeah it's like that for me too

[fossil finch]

the order of messages got inverted

[vocal ivy]

Super laggy

[fossil finch]

i mean that like
that's kinda just a you thing here

[vocal ivy]

I'll ask around a bit and see if others think it doesn't feel right either

[fossil finch]

i don't conceive how there is a "feel" to fights after certain bosses or anything
If it'd be difficulty and stats- sg would fit well where it is (and it does)

[dusty path]

@steep crown Nice one

[vocal ivy]

If you nerfed cal clone to late phm it would feel out of place

Too complex

[steep crown]

Weird, the bullet points don't seem to be working

[fossil finch]

well that's a matter of complexity yeah

discord doesn't have bullet points?

• doesn't embed into a bullet point and it never has

[steep crown]

Huh, thought it did

Too much time on forums I guess

[fossil finch]

in phmode, allmost all bosses feature a very similar complexity

[steep crown]

Eh, it still gets the point across, so it works

[vocal ivy]

Well I mean "big slime jump around and spawn jewel" isn't as complex as like hive mind/perfs

[candid grove]

I agree with the sugg tbh

[fossil finch]

anyways while i agree with your sugg, i also disagree with what you're asking for specifically

i don't see why calamitas would be around you at any time ever for no real reason, basically

[steep crown]

I mean, Yharim is taking an interest in the player. That should probably make her at least a little curious

[fossil finch]

iban made a cool concept!!!! where calclone would have a sort of short cinematic spawn intro where you'd see the main clone thing looking like calamitas with the fucking carcass thingy behind in the shadows (this)

Calamitas is kinda sick of existing around yharim to be completely fair

so i doubt she would care

draedon does because he wants to make cool fucking machines

i imagine crags could have like

doomsday writings around

"holy shit there's this tiny witch she's destroying the entire place holy fuck

[vocal ivy]

Draedon isn't really allied with yharim he just wants supplies to make cool shit

[fossil finch]

that's what being allies means but ok

[small timber]

I think if you want it to feel more post-skeletron just buff it to be harder

[fossil finch]

he literally provides weaponry and full technological services for the sake of resources

[small timber]

technically AS is pre-boss but no one do it because it is hard enough to be absurd

[sleek turret]

keyword being technically

[safe oasis]

you can use the U+2022 unicode character for bullet points tbh

[vocal ivy]

I meant he doesn't really support yharim's goal

[small timber]

forcing post-skeletron recipe is kind of counter-intuitive considering the non-linearity calamity is pushing

[safe oasis]

(i only memorized the unicode because i use it too much

[fossil finch]

he doesn't care about anything but his own goal

he clearly has supported yharim's own by working with him

[unique vector]

suggs disc becoming lore disc

my worst nightmare

[sleek turret]

NOOOOO

[fossil finch]

this is what happens when lore related suggestion

[vocal ivy]

I guess that's kinda irrelevant when you already killed it

[steep crown]

I did WoF and pillar because those would be significant world effects, crags, clone, and brimstone because of the personal connections, and Yharon, weapon, and beacon because by that point you're definitely strong enough to be on her radar

[small timber]

ya, (personally) I would much prefer the buff him route rather than forced to fight him only after skeletron route, if slime god is hard enough people will naturally do it post-skeletron because of abyss gear acquired

[fossil finch]

anyways yes still

[vocal ivy]

You can still fight him whenever if you need hellstone for the summon

Just makes it more out of the way

[fossil finch]

i imagine amidias and upcoming related structures to him+crags reworks would be heavily foreshadowing Calamitas related things

either by doomsday diary type of thing, amidias describing what he saw of the event, or just small connections in block or enemy theme presence

@crystal cedar pretty sure that item is a donor anyway

and it's describing her eye form after all

[small timber]

adding hellstone will not really change anything (to make him post-skeletron), in fact it will seem more like post-evil 2, statigel having bones in recipe kind of don't fit at all (and tbh will be rather pointless), although I must admit I initially mistaken it as having bones in Overloaded Sludge recipe

[crystal cedar]

only the pet is the eye, the tooltip is "The ultimate reward for defeating such a beast"

[steep crown]

I mean, she's the namesake of the entire mod. A weirdo robot skeleton should not have more foreshadowing than her

[fossil finch]

byeah, i agree with the sugg, i just feel this is better than the method you suggest

simply because she wouldn't be hanging around you at all

[vocal ivy]

Still better than feeling like it's pre-boss

[fossil finch]

she was named after the mod not backwards, so i'd say not really (and what i just said anyway)

[vocal ivy]

The blight slimes are pretty common and you'll probably blow up some stone

[steep crown]

Either way, it makes her somewhat important

Especially since she's the final/penultimate boss

[small timber]

WoF is pre-boss but people are not insane enough to do it just because the fight is difficult enough, I think the same simply have to be done to slime god: just massively buff him to the point that doing him pre-skeletron before abyss gears seems completely unreasonable

[fossil finch]

byeah!!!

[vocal ivy]

Well that kinda breaks non-linearity

[fossil finch]

it just doesn't make sense to me why she'd get close to you at all

[steep crown]

I feel like if you did something important, like say, kill the god her people worshiped, then she'd probably take notice and teleport over

[small timber]

non-linearity is that you are free to fight any boss at any point you want, just expect much higher difficulty (eg: hardmode pre-boss lunatic cultist), what I said in fact enforced non-linearity since there are no artificial requirement for locking bosses behind certain other bosses

[vocal ivy]

WoF is guarded by the underworld's depth and powerful enemies

[fossil finch]

considering she almost killed it herself, eh

[small timber]

because difficulty can be overcomed with skills and practice

[steep crown]

The idea was more "you did something major so she popped over to see what the fuss was about/was already in the area" rather than her following you around

[fossil finch]

yeah i understand

[vocal ivy]

Honestly should I just delete my suggestion and remake it differently?

[fossil finch]

but i still don't see why she would care at all

[small timber]

depends on you, because it is only my personal opinion that it should be difficulty adjustment not recipe adjustment to lock it behind skeletron, if you want to change recipe it will totally be a valid suggestion

if you want to force slime god to be exclusively post-skeletron, just make overloaded sludge require bones, other requirement will not really be necessary

[vocal ivy]

Yeah I think I'll do it like that

[vocal ivy]

I don't think that's a good idea

[small timber]

ya I think so

[vocal ivy]

Removing non-linearity isn't allowed

I don't think

Ok I'll delete and reword my suggestion

Should I try to model the fight after WoF?

The execution I mean

[fossil finch]

wh

[small timber]

sorry what do you mean?

[fossil finch]

you probably shouldn't even

[small timber]

you mean using argument of like "technically WoF is pre-boss but nobody do it because it is obnoxiously difficulty, Slime God should receive similar level of difficulty adjustment to disincentivize fighting pre-skeletron"? I guess

[vocal ivy]

No like

Make the way to discourage it similar to how WoF does it

[fossil finch]

what wof does requires a whole biome so idk what you'd do there really

[small timber]

it will be kinda difficult because of the nature of the boss fight, WoF has hell enemy + hell arena as gate (besides its own stat)

[unborn siren]

making slime god about as difficult as WoF would be a good idea considering Statigel armor is completely viable against the 1st mech for 3 of the 5 classes

[vocal ivy]

Exactly I think hellstone is good for that

You'd have to have the dedication to fish for reaver shark

Then you need to survive the underworld

[fossil finch]

then just sugg to add hellstone to the recipe honestly

no need for more complications than that or examples than that

[small timber]

kinda, just that it do not really change anything, because hellstone is pretty early (post-evil 1), I don't really hear people purposefully do slime god pre-boss

[vocal ivy]

Oh

wait

[fossil finch]

hell gear is tiered to post skeletron by vanilla standards

it doesn't matter

[vocal ivy]

What about something from the abyss?

[fossil finch]

there's no abyss material for first visit

[vocal ivy]

That's traditionally post skele but you can go there

[vocal ivy]

abyss gravel?

[fossil finch]

ig blocks?

it'd be kinda weird though

again, just add hellstone

[vocal ivy]

Replace the ebonstone

[fossil finch]

xpc's point doesn't really work because hell stuff is all considered post skeletron anyway

[small timber]

ya I am really not familiar with tiering for stuffs like that since I always get BIS, if it is considered post-skele than it can work I guess

since tiering in calamity is weird in that you have evil 2

[vocal ivy]

I feel like the boss should get a buff too then

cause then as soon as you get hellstone you win

[distant gyro]

unrelated to sg stuff rq

calamitas thing seems familiar

[small timber]

that one is a literal NPC spawn, the current in suggestion-posting is just her omniously appear in background

[small timber]

I think they were referring to this

[distant gyro]

I think that's like

less cohesive if it happens any random milestone other than cal clone

[small timber]

I think personally just WoF, CalClone, Yharon (maybe even not WoF since lore-wise only the later two matters)

[steep crown]

The ones I gave were just possibilities

[distant gyro]

maybe

[vocal ivy]

Wait can abyss gravel be blown up

[distant gyro]

no

[vocal ivy]

Ok good

Fixed

I think

[dusty path]

µ

[small timber]

Altar Alter, other than that it should probably be fine?

[vocal ivy]

Oh right

💀

And thanks

[grim tusk]

@vocal ivy the limiting the distance is fine
However the rest enters in asking to remove non linearity
Go read the suggs doc in pins

And reaver shark is progression break so it doesnt really count

[vocal ivy]

does it?

Ik it limits non linearity but I thought reaver shark was a solution

[grim tusk]

Its a progress break, even more considering the 1.4 vanilla nerf which makes it unable to mine it entirely

And that all of the stuff it allows you to get early is balanced you not getting it so early

Use infernal kris on DS and see how fast it dies

Meteorite is a topic for another time

[vocal ivy]

You can still get hellstone/abyss gravel with nightmare/deathbringer pickaxe

which can be obtained without killing bosses

[vocal ivy]

Would using planty mush instead work?

[grim tusk]

Its better but still doesnt make much sense

Perhaps demonite/crimtane

[full pivot]

that kinda ignores the original issue tho

original issue is that it's hard to tell when they are fought

[vocal ivy]

Isn't slime canonically partially plants though

[grim tusk]

No

[full pivot]

demonite/crimtane in the recipe will make it seem even less like its meant to be post-skelee

[grim tusk]

But then it would be conflicting with non-linearity if we take something from abyss

[vocal ivy]

What is?

[vocal ivy]

you can head to the abyss at any time

[grim tusk]

Planty mush could work

[vocal ivy]

planty mush can be mined with any pickaxe

[grim tusk]

And can be fished

[vocal ivy]

Yeah

That's why I think planty mush is best

[grim tusk]

It doesnt make much sense but oh well

[safe oasis]

?

[grim tusk]

Gl getting the sugg to pass tho

[vocal ivy]

I've gotten one to pass before

[grim tusk]

Getting stuff to pass doesnt mean the next will pass

[vocal ivy]

Well yeah

chances are probably higher though

cause I've made one with the quality to pass before

[unique vector]

not er

necessarily correlated

but sure

[small timber]

Ya fearmonger is not really summoner armor

You are (actually) encouraged to use non-summoner weapon with fearmonger

[vocal ivy]

Yeah that's the main bonus

Also doesn't fearmonger have better survivability than Silva already?

[grim tusk]

Yep

Fearmonger is multiclass tank

Omega blue is multiclass glass cannon

[digital saddle]

well fearmonger would need a pretty significant rework to be viable multiclass

[small timber]

Although strangely fearmoger have pitiful amount of non-summon damage

[vocal ivy]

Funny providence deleter

[digital saddle]

11% damage and 5% crit does not cut it

pre yharon

[small timber]

Nah main thing about fearmonger is still the tank part

[grim tusk]

Well no shit, post polter stuff ofc gonna shred Prov

[digital saddle]

and yes ive used fearmonger pretty extensively

[small timber]

And that part fearmonger is very powerful

[vocal ivy]

Even for post polter it deletes Providence fast

[grim tusk]

Ofc it will do

Its glass cannon

[small timber]

Because if fearmonger end up have both tankiness and damage it will just become old fearmonger again, so they decide the identity is tank (at the expense of damage)

[grim tusk]

:true:

[vocal ivy]

Does omega blue work on DoG's body?

The tentacles I mean

[digital saddle]

tankiness isnt enough though

you're still taking tons of damage from all endgame bosses

[grim tusk]

Yes but they dont target it

[grim tusk]

Not quite

Except exos but thats a bug, fucking expert redcode

[digital saddle]

simply reducing the length of the fight by killing the boss faster is doing more for player bad at dodging than fearmonger is imo

[vocal ivy]

How much exactly does it reduce the penalty?

[small timber]

I think if you want to buff fearmonger you should focus more on the non-summon damage buff, since currently it is still not very much towards multiclass (just a summoner-leaning multiclass)

[grim tusk]

^

[hollow shell]

I can delete the one in Voting of you would like to write a new version of it
(sorry for late response)

[small timber]

11% non-summon damage is pitiful, but summon damage on fearmonger probably cannot get more buff just so it dont turn into old fearmonger

[digital saddle]

its kind of usable with tesla for mage

but its extremely mediocre

[vocal ivy]

?

[digital saddle]

from 50% to 25%

[grim tusk]

Fearmonger is supposed to be a tank, it having less dmg to compensate for the extra bulk makes sense

[vocal ivy]

So that's a 50% summon damage boost

[small timber]

Oh wait they nerfed it? Used to be 10% or none

[grim tusk]

Old fearmonger was ridiculously overpowered

[digital saddle]

people forget that fearmonger is competing with silva revive and lifesteal

[grim tusk]

Lifesteal is very inconsistent, and revive only triggers once

[small timber]

I think since fearmonger is designed to be (pure) multiclass tank:

1. more non-summon damage (currently is like 11%dmg+5% crit vs 41% summon damage)
2. better summoner penalty (since now that the summoner portion is nerfed I think lower penalty is reasonable)

It will still be very much tank than damage, but at least you can somewhat use non-summoner (as it is supposed.to be multiclass)

[fossil finch]

????????????

what the fuck are you talking about

[unique vector]

[fossil finch]

fab has clearly demonstrated the ability to change vanilla stat boosts in vanilla enemies do you really think that

,

,,

i am going to kill storm one of these days

[unique vector]

no actually we discovered this morning that redcode causes really weird fucking math when its upscales damage between modes

so a ton of bosses actually had incorrect damage values

[digital saddle]

spaghetti code when
bottom text

[small timber]

Is it higher or lower than intended? The actual vs intended

[fossil finch]

fair enough but

it doesn't mean it's unfixable or that you should go scream "redcode bad" Lo

[unique vector]

the issue is that

depends on which projectile

apparently lol

(im sure fab wouldnt mind me posting this)

[digital saddle]

num36
perfect, descriptive variable names

[unique vector]

so some boss projectiles are doing more than intended

while others are doing far less

[digital saddle]

or is that decompiled

[unique vector]

decompiled terraria code my beloved

[worthy lintel]

is that the same piece of funny that caused dandelions to scale twice

[digital saddle]

doesnt look like it

[unique vector]

its decompiled

if it says "num36" or whatever most likely thats from the decompiled source code

[small timber]

Oh so thats why exo twins laser do like nothing and the rocket which only deals 100 more damage murders.me

[unique vector]

bc it treats var names as unimportant, so it gives it a generic name

[fossil finch]

so basically fab setted some numbers for exo's damage values and vanilla mode damage scaling code did a funny

[digital saddle]

how does float to int conversion work
I forget
it just truncates right

[unique vector]

well for a ton of bosses not just exos

[unique vector]

i think so yes

[fossil finch]

will this be fixed completely for 1.5.1?

[unique vector]

if fab gets around to it

[fossil finch]

:isee:

[small timber]

Wait fuck so this is why vanilla master pillar enemy get 4x normal instead of 3x

[grim tusk]

Pretty much

[grim tusk]

Polt and OD got completely trivialized by bloodflare core due to this
Those 2 were the major ones but most bosses did very low dmg

[bright crag]

Offtopic but that SCal cameo suggestion is amazing

[small timber]

time to rework bloodflare core so that it is not unethical

[grim tusk]

i’d like to see you try
cuz I have and failed

[runic harbor]

ye

do that

[hollow shell]

Alright 👍

[runic harbor]

ty

[crude geode]

Personally uhhh

Fearmonger shouldn’t be a multi class armor that needs a single class armor (that’s gonna be pretty hard to get post dog)

I get the whole theming thing but it just doesn’t make as much sense now that it’s not. summoner related lol

[runic harbor]

i find fearmonger still works really well before auric tesla armor

[steep crown]

Wait, shares content with the abyss? But you can't fish in the abyss, cause air kills you

[fossil finch]

yeah exactly

you cannot fish in the abyss

so abyss related fish catches are in the sulph sea

[hollow shell]

Looks good now Noel 👍

And yeah

[grave zinc]

@rough venture - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Wall of Flesh despawn when all players die.]

Your suggestion has already been previously passed and voted upon; if it isn't already implemented, the devs may reconsider their verdict.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[inner lark]

It was before new system and higher star requirement in November. It got the requirement but it's in voter limbo

So repost or no?

[fossil finch]

just repost it

[inner lark]

K

[hollow shell]

Ah, well
This idea was previously rejected

#suggestions-voting message

[unborn siren]

Draft:

Add some very fast way to generate Draedon power cells later on

Decrypting all of the schematics takes a total of 8200 Draedon power cells, which takes a bit over (34 ÷ number of running power cell factories) hours to generate. This is extremely annoying for any player who forgot to place down factories near the start of their playthrough or didn't know they would need this many. Adding some way to quickly get power cells later on would make things significantly less annoying for players who messed up in one of the ways listed above. Some quick ideas for how this could be implemented are:

• Boosting the speed at which the factories make power cells after a boss is defeated.
• Adding some new enemy that drops a large quantity of power cells, and only spawns after some point in progression.
• Making power cell factories craftable so the player can get a lot of them.

[crude geode]

Don’t you literally get like 4 per major lab

[fossil finch]

You do

[crude geode]

Also like it’s not like this is thrown at you at the end of a playthrough, most players will go through the process of getting each tier of weapons bc shiny new toy

[unborn siren]

there are a lot of players that don't do that
source: #help-advice-read-pins

[crude geode]

Wacky

Anyway uh making an enemy would kinda render the whole point of cells being a reward for exploration moot

[distant gyro]

i think you get like 30 factories by the end

[fossil finch]

Repair Units

Are

A thing

(They drop them

(They are lab-only

(They are killable next update

[crude geode]

(Probably why no one knows

[distant gyro]

you can get enemies to roll over repair units as well

[crude geode]

Byeah you still at least have to explore a little to find a lab in the first place

[unborn siren]

still over an hour of waiting by the end

[fossil finch]

That hour is literally less than any pt possible though

[distant gyro]

ok here's the problem

[unborn siren]

the reason I made this suggestion is for people that don't put down any factories until the end

[distant gyro]

you're not supposed to rush the 8200 all at once

[fossil finch]

The point of people not having set up things early exist, but if they're doing decryption anyway they should know anyway

[distant gyro]

if you didn't set it up you may as well ignore the quest line

[crude geode]

(Also this kinda goes back to cal players having like 0 patience)

[distant gyro]

I think you can feast on these abominations anyway

comedic test footage

[sand ermine]

god do i love the repair units

too bad you killed literally 2/3rds of the repair unit population

[distant gyro]

crimes

[sand ermine]

:(

all they did was exist

[runic harbor]

this is genocide

[crude geode]

No it’s mass murder get it right

[crude geode]

Considering repair units can really be killed next update seems moot

[vocal grotto]

This, basically
Point is for you to interact with the Draedon stuff throughout the game, and hopefully get your hands on some of the cell generators early on, not to ignore it completely until post-Yharon and then have to sit and grind for a while

[stable musk]

Yeah, calamitas appearances might be like flowey Easter egg from undertale

When on ||genocide route you go back then you can see flowey going away for a moment||

[worthy lintel]

why do you spoiler a 7 years old game

byea

[fossil finch]

i still disagree with the notion it makes no sense why would she

[west jackal]

If anyone it should be yharim or draedon

[fossil finch]

Draedon already has presence which is the point of the sugg anyways

Byeah, i agree calamitas would get more presence: i think this is an awful way to do it

[west jackal]

Just make her say something to you via some magic shit after you beat the clone

[fossil finch]

It's ooc, will only prompt reddit posts of "i screenshotted this thing, what is it!!!!" "It's the final boss" with no real substance at all and just doesn't make much sense

It could also be easily missed

[steep crown]

Yharim is in depression-induced isolation. Because he's too strong or some shit

[short walrus]

he got his shit kicked in when he challenged god and is sad now

[frozen hornet]

Yharim already appears a lot

Like a lot a lot

Every lore item is him smh

[exotic stag]

every boss ties to yharim

[worthy lintel]

@dusky canopy there's already a wing timer mod out there for that exact purpose

[gray nebula]

wing time hair dye

[dusky canopy]

oh lol

ty

[fossil finch]

wing time hair dye is like

An EPIC way to do it

[distant gyro]

when the

hair dye

[worthy lintel]

||i forgot hair dyes exist||

[crude geode]

unsurprising

[steep crown]

Technically not slime god

[hollow shell]

(nor HIV, Perfs, or like any of the PreHM vanilla bosses)

[safe oasis]

HIV? 🤨

[full pivot]

presumably hive mind

[golden tulip]

hiv boss

[fleet igloo]

Meanwhile Ana and Levi being pretty much unrelated to anything because it's 100% their own fault their life got ruined

[glossy stone]

Wait no--

[full pivot]

slime god>statis>yharim

[vocal ivy]

Late reply but according to the slime god lore slimes are made from dead plants and water

[steep crown]

Secondhand connections don't work. Slime god has a shaky connection to stasis anyway. Like, stasis was probably as strong as brealor, but the armor and boss are much earlier in progression. Plus we don't have much idea on what exactly it is, other than a really old primordial slime. And that's not even getting into it's connections with the evil biomes. Slime god is kinda shaky as a whole

[digital saddle]

dark gods sheath isnt totally redundant with crit because only the primary projectile has that guaranteed crit

[vocal ivy]

Where's braelor in the game anyways

[frozen hornet]

Statis' clan worships signus and SG, so statis' armor probably uses twisting nether and the gel instead of just the gel like how we craft it

And since you're supposed to do sentinels after provi it makes sense that statis' statigel is on par with tarragon

[small timber]

the suggestion is not just about wasted stats, it is also about the fact that DGS had been a completely broken accessory for a long time

[crude geode]

Tbfh I prefer that over completely bland with very little identity but I get that people have aneurysms when balance happens

Elemental Accessories are just bland by comparison

[frozen hornet]

@ashen warren you know, fishing already exists as a good alternative

also like spoonfeeding the stuff to players is kinda bruh

"Are you even playing the game at that point" kinda deal

[fossil finch]

do not the ms

use something more intuitive like seconds

i think

[exotic stag]

miliseconds

microsoft'

[digital saddle]

dark gods sheath is basically fine if you're not stacking sheaths

imo

but dgs + silencing sheath is very op

if you want to nerf it i'd remove the stealth regen rate bonus'

mirror accessories kinda bad

generating stealth just isnt that useful

when you already get decent stealth regen from shadow + penumbra potion AND dark gods sheath

also the higher your stealth regen the worse your stealth strikes are so its become kind of a bad stat

honestly stealth formula just still needs tweaking

[unique vector]

you need tweakin

[crude geode]

Me when the game isn’t perfectly balanced with literally every weapon

[olive token]

It would be cool to see a late hard mode boss for the crimson and corruption kind of like providence is for the hollow/hell and Astrum Deus/Aureus is for the astral infection. All the other biomes seem well represented with a god-like boss. would be kinda cool from a lore standpoint to see where this corruption finds its power other than just being an infection.

[ashen warren]

it is just an infection though

[olive token]

thats y it feels underwelming

[ashen warren]

not

really?

not everything needs to have supreme enlightened god being boss number 26

[fossil finch]

me when every aspect of the game is not eternally ever present and ultra important

[crude geode]

“All the other biomes”
Sulphurous Sea, Sunken Sea, Marble/Granite: am I a joke to you?

[ashen warren]

marble/granite 💀

[crude geode]

Indeed

[frail mantle]

marble/granite are barely biomes

[ashen warren]

ye

[frail mantle]

they're more like furniture material resupply stations

[olive token]

sulphurous has old duke

[ashen warren]

or fuck you stations

cough granite

[sleek turret]

granite elementals

[ashen warren]

cough medusa spawning in your plantera arena and freezing you from 50 blocks below you

[olive token]

marble and granite are basicly just kinda blend in with the underground to me

[sleek turret]

the fuckers tm

[digital saddle]

I agree that it would be cool to have a really poweful corruption/crimson boss but that's something the devs themselves have to decide to make

So

[sleek turret]

early-game hoplites

[ashen warren]

(there is two already lol?)

edited

[crude geode]

More bosses for “lore” is kinda a lackluster reasoning

[ashen warren]

[crude geode]

Especially when Boss bloat already exists in the mod lol

[olive token]

It would be cool to have a reason for the corruption to exist past farming in hard mode

[ashen warren]

why

it doesnt need one

lol

it would be cool is no reason to do anything

[olive token]

most of the bosses we dont need

[digital saddle]

It would be cool is literally the reason anything is done

In these mods

Ultimately

[ashen warren]

that in no way justifies your point but ok

[olive token]

who the hell is ravager

[crude geode]

Still a don’t for a reason

[crude geode]

A mess of a boss currently being moved and adjusted lol