kinda, it usually is hard to find a solid reason for additional function to weapon like this
#suggestions-discussion
small timber
small timber
since you know, really the only reason will always be it will be cool
small timber
nah it is not your fault, everyone want cool thing, just that rule is a rule, otherwise suggestions get really bloated
untold pagoda
no i really thought it could be useful for events and stuff
now that i think about it it could be pretty epico on ares but w/e
cobalt pewter
kinda, it usually is hard to find a solid reason for additional function to weap...
cut to my sugg somehow being approved
small timber
2021 january 8th it is still happening copium
exotic stag
"and the sheath the weapon has a mechanism" comma when
untold pagoda
lo
frozen hornet
no i really thought it could be useful for events and stuff
Again, it's like the best weapon for events
maybe behind dragon rage but it's still stupid good
It's a gigantic swinging sword that does enough damage to be viable on bosses that are 2 tiers above the event enemies you're fighting
It really doesn't need a right click to be viable for events when it literally mashes anything and everything the events can throw at you into a pulp
exotic stag
uh
basically make yharon switch to his vocal theme when he hits p2
for the sake of another mgr reference
fossil finch
basically make yharon switch to his vocal theme when he hits p2
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS
First phase uses rebirth and second rotdj
exotic stag
i think they meant rotjd instrumental
fossil finch
why'd you do that
Anyway yeah there's no reasoning here
Besides "more funny mgrr" ref
exotic stag
also i dont think using an instrumental makes a fight more memorable
the fact the boss has two songs is more memorable then him using only 1
sleek wadi
Also the instrumental for Roar of the Jungle Dragon is weak sauce. This would probably make the fight sound worse without doing anything the current phase switch doesn't already do.
fossil finch
This is time for the ping i guess
fossil finch
@sonic turret when the suggestion is discussed! 😳
unique vector
the instrumental isnt even official is it
fossil finch
No
unique vector
they’re trying to pull a MGR with music which is fine but the file isnt official so thats a no go
fossil finch
Rotdj has the funny guitar solo between the vocals but no instrumental part
even then it'd fit yharim more, and instrumental rotdj is weaksauce as hell
exotic stag
instrumentals
sleek wadi
MGR;R can get away with turning on the vocals for hype moments because the tracks were composed to be listened to both with and without lyrics. RotJD was meant to have lyrics and lyrics only so if you tried to MGR it it'd just sound bad.
grim tusk
good song
golden tulip
hollow shell
oki
unique vector
grahhh bhrhhwhalll hhwhhahhahha bark bark bark bark bhhhrahhhr bark
also you’ve already experienced your first complainer
exotic stag
final dawn sugg sucks. im just saying it now.
Final dawn sugg is stupid because lower end pc's and dust. it doesnt need to be detailed. its just you spinning with the funny scythe. and inflicting other debuffs just makes final dawn even more broken then it already is. which is not what should be done
gray nebula
^
hollow shell
"be like water wheel but like a fire version"
gray nebula
also i mean "lower end pc's and dust" ok but theres already a lot of other stuff with more dust lol
what
hollow shell
Ah yes because I totally understand what you mean by that
gray nebula
- we have awesome particles now so we can spam vicschoulls as much as we want without a lot of performance imapct
🕵️
first point invalidated
hollow shell
@fleet bobcat You could express why you like doing the full fight with Sentinels
gray nebula
cleaning up the final dawn visually could b done but id prefer to put effort into non donor items first
fleet bobcat
<@!628321169543659521> You could express **why** you like doing the full fight w...
do you want me to edit my post or type it here?
exotic stag
edit post
fleet bobcat
ight
hollow shell
yea
fleet bobcat
edited it
hollow shell
Aight that's a bit better
unique vector
fire breathing second form
cobalt pewter
lean breathing second form
west jackal
Tbh cosmic guardians should be replaced with modified sentinels
fossil finch
Just make dog interesting and remove cg and let sentinels be their own thing
Can you guys just implement this one already oh god
unique vector
a slow death
@inner path #suggestions-voting message
similar suggestion was already approved
inner path
similar suggestion was already approved
Thank you.
gray nebula
can't you just cancel the buff lol
hollow idol
cancel the buff during a boss battle .
sand ermine
You find the cadance's visuals distracting/annoying? I think that's honestly a you issue. I don't find any issue with it however it would be nice to have half as much particles.
hollow idol
a lot of people find the visuals distracting apparently
sand ermine
Interesting
hollow idol
I tried to remove em once but it somehow resulted in bosses becoming unspawnable in m*ltiplayer (how)
crude geode
Quirky
sand ermine
I mainly focus on the boss/particles the boss is summoning so I don't really have an issue with it, since my brain automatically just filters my movement to adjust to what the boss is doing
However I can understand as to why they can be annoying/distracting at times
unique vector
(right? Pretty sure they do)
isnt that only for non approved repeat suggs
ig i can leave it alone
distant gyro
blue check gets turned into all reposts/repeats/duplicates/etc
silver silo
can't you just cancel the buff lol
Just cancel the buff. :gigachad:
safe oasis
but if you lose adrenaline by getting hit, did you really get adrenaline in the first place?
small timber
I will be honest the adrenaline suggestion is likely never gonna happen, their reasoning will be: "it is a no-hit mechanic you get hit you lose adrenaline duh"
because last time I suggest anything that even change how adrenaline function they always use that as the reason
cobalt pewter
eh, I feel the emphasis on nohit should be during adrenaline building and keeping the full charge for an extended amount of time
but again, that's probably just me
idk
small timber
their idea of adrenaline is "you don't get hit for the entire boss fight then you get adrenaline" (yes it is nonsense but it is the reason they use)
safe oasis
their idea of adrenaline is "you don't get hit for the entire boss fight then yo...
that is not the reason anyone uses
what
cobalt pewter
there are cases where everything can just go wrong just as you get full adren, in that few seconds after it hits full
but everything else (during building and keeping the full charge for a long time) is on you if you got hit
small timber
I will slightly rephrase that: "adrenaline is intended as a no-hit mechanic for rewarding the player for mastering the boss, I see no reason to downplay it in anyway possible, you only get it if you properly master the boss and not get hit"
for the full version of what I was told
safe oasis
there are cases where everything can just go wrong just as you get full adren, i...
that's also the case for any other point when adrenaline close to full
should there be a grace period for anything after 95% of getting adrenaline too
cobalt pewter
that is a fair point, indeed, but Adren isn't usable until 100%, so the grace period is meant for when it can finally be used
small timber
basically if people try to suggest anything adrenaline that make it not take 30 seconds and not deplete on getting hit they will try to bash the suggestion as much as possible saying it is intentional
cobalt pewter
I can understand losing over 90% of charge can suck, but you can't even utilize the charges yet, so there's nothing you can do
on the other hand, it feels shittier to take this when the adren could've been used
small timber
ya that was my argument too, then they just tell me just don't get hit for the rest of 10%, it is a mechanic you use when you master a boss (aka don't get hit apparently according to people)
unborn siren
on the other hand, it feels shittier to take this when the adren *could've* been...
if you lose it when it's full, at least you took a lot less damage from that 1 hit
so it wasn't totally wasted
safe oasis
I can understand losing over 90% of charge can suck, but you can't even utilize ...
that's true but i don't think just forgiving the hit would solve that issue
getting hit at 99% sucks as much if not more than getting hit moments after reaching 100%
cobalt pewter
if you lose it when it's full, at least you took a lot less damage from that 1 h...
the boosted DR can be moved to over 90% instead, actually, but otherwise
cobalt pewter
getting hit at 99% sucks as much if not more than getting hit moments after reac...
ugh yea
well it is still not usable so as sucks as that is, nothing you could do
hell, just giving the grace period be the full bar anim would be more than enough
often times the charges are gone mid anim
safe oasis
the dr as a sort of commemorative buff for that unlucky hit is the best solution i see tbh, though yeah it's not nearly as strong enough to make up for a lost 5 seconds of +200% dmg
forgiving the hit doesn't seem likely to happen
frail mortar
I like this idea of merging the class bonus items
the damage bonuses you get are entirely unnoticable so giving it a more practical buff to things outside of combat sounds interesting
glossy stone
+6% damage isn't doing anything much of anything.
small timber
I think he is referring to class meters
(class proficiency meters like rogue meter etc
glossy stone
(I was talking about prof, don't really know if it is what they meant too lmao)
gray nebula
yea i got u were talking abt prof since the 6% damage is specific to it i was more so saying this abt espeons message
golden tulip
wth are the class bonus items
fleet bobcat
crabulon spawns on your head 
fleet bobcat
i cant read
exotic stag
fleet bobcat
i lost my glasses and im too lazy to find them
exotic stag
byeah i think he just wants the boss to spawn similarly to king slime. spawning nearer to the player but not inside a tile
fleet bobcat
that seems logical
exotic stag
cause higher up is bad due to people somewhat using roof's for aureus to block out his projectiles since they are unfunny
cobalt heath
im thinking that the post ml boots should be changed somehow but cant get really concretic ideas
but the game should sentivise using the armors set wings more than just skipping em totallt
fossil finch
At this point remove tracer's wings lol
Tracers already suck amazing balls in comparision to wings
You're losing the combo stats, and big chunk of flight time
unique vector
dve plans dev plans dev
exotic stag
also
unique vector
i swear to god
exotic stag
we already had this talk like a whileeee ago
cobalt pewter
dve plans dev plans dev
unique vector
my brain is doing to fucking explode
unique vector
i woke up 6 mins ago
cobalt pewter
incredible
crude geode
i am not reading that wall of text
Me when wall of text sugg
exotic stag
convo was up here i think
fossil finch
Well they're already worse than your local wing option
It's only arguably better post dog because godslayer booster doesn't exist
Unless you're running silva
cobalt heath
wait tracers are actually considered bafd
fossil finch
Yea
cobalt pewter
yeah they're bald
crude geode
You don’t really need to run post ml
unique vector
f
cobalt heath
wut i think they are so si op
distant gyro
consider actually trying wings
crude geode
You don’t really need to run post ml
Outside of like dog but also like dog is a joke
cobalt heath
but the vanity slot idea could be pog
distant gyro
no
cobalt heath
but wings buff are so minor and their speed
distant gyro
players should not be expected to be given 2 extra accessory slots as moon lord hits
crude geode
i havent played calamity in a while
Me when balance suggs from those who don’t play the game
cobalt heath
i should really look in the draedon update patch logs shoudnt i
exotic stag
it was probably just mistimed spacebar
distant gyro
no but bad input moment
crude geode
Thought so
distant gyro
landing is a proof of concept anyway
that you don't need boots to cover horizontal ground
no matter how long it is
crude geode
Absolutely considering how insane horizontal movement with wings is post ml
golden tulip
isnt the yharon theme suggestion exactly what already happens
add vocals to the music to enhance the mood of the battle. i think this would happen somewhere between 40-60% HP during a phase shift in the Yharon fight
that is literally what already happens
??
am i being stupid
frail mantle
instrumental RotJD isn't used in-game
the suggestion is basically asking for the music to switch between vocals and no vocals at specific points in the fight
golden tulip
its weirdly worded then
50>% is not possible because rotjd isnt even playing then
idk this sugg is weird lol
normal otter
that does actually sound pretty cool
although a big part of me doesn't really want to get rid of infernal catharsis
it could have probably worked better when the darksun/yharon leaving mechanic was still a thing
unborn siren
Wings are already better than boots for Yharon and further, so why would they be buffed?
golden tulip
wings are always better
crude geode
Wings tend to be far better post ml since their horizontal speed just becomes stupid, especially with the movement speed changes
crude geode
Tracers are fine for dog. Events post ml you never wanna be on the ground lol
violet dagger
violet dagger
its not really an sis but more a super high effort suggestion
exotic stag
its sorta specific
violet dagger
yeah
exotic stag
like
if you REALLY wanted the sugg that badly
I can likely tweak it in a way that works
crude geode
@wet sentinel Way too high effort
wet sentinel
<@!868641246049091594> Way too high effort
wdym
crude geode
exotic stag
your asking for a sugg that would require making a new biome. a new ore. new recipes. new enemies
violet dagger
wet sentinel
I can likely tweak it in a way that works
is it possible for you to do that
exotic stag
as for it in sugg? no. but as a concept myself? yes
wet sentinel
as for it in sugg? no. but as a concept myself? yes
wdym by concept yourself
exotic stag
like. make the idea tweaked so that i can work with it as a concept
wet sentinel
like. make the idea tweaked so that i can work with it as a concept
yeah
do whatever you gotta do
exotic stag
but i cannot do it as a sugg nor program it.
wet sentinel
thats fine
exotic stag
and anyway were getting offtopic so
oh sugg bugged
uhh @inland saddle sugg bot kinda posted twice. know why?
worthy lintel
lo
exotic stag
also the non-consumable boss sugg. already been sugged before and denied because why would you spend 6 hours in phm just trying to farm for shitlions again
worthy lintel
also @broken jungle you can kinda just delete the boss summon if you really want bad vanilla mechanics again
asking for more configs will get you killed by the devs
exotic stag
and everyone in terraria
broken jungle
true but i just kinda liked how boss summons were before
exotic stag
then do the trash thing like the arsonist said
violet dagger
I remember rover forgot to exclaim it and I told them to just delete it from voting because it was bad
grave zincBOT
@inner path - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Cadance Buff Visual]
Your suggestion has already been previously passed and voted upon; if it isn't already implemented, the devs may reconsider their verdict.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
normal otter
before i post anything, is there already plans to make the exo mechs less cheesy
specifically the "falling diagonally infinitely" cheese
exotic stag
<@487672850237358081> - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[**Cada...
also i think
i think bot is
doing a funky
unique vector
i did that
@inland saddle the bot posted the last sugg in #suggestions-voting (the blue checked one) twice
i deleted the second copy
unique vector
could pjust bc discord api being weird ig but the old bot never did that before
inland saddle
Did it post the second one after you blue checked?
Or did it just immediately post twice
unique vector
inland saddle
I’ll check it out when I get home but discord could also have just gotten progressively worse with their bot API portal lmao idk
unique vector
we love discord!
west jackal
Delete discord and make a calamity group chat
normal otter
i would propose a method of doing so would be to make ares's laser arm be able to sweep in any direction regardless of it's position (most importantly from bottom -> top)
or have thanatos be able to deliberately travel ahead of the player on it's side so it can do the laser barrage or block the player
violet dagger
also exclaim the volcano biome sugg
violet dagger
we already did I think
exotic stag
we did like three times
unique vector
o oki
inland saddle
could pjust bc discord api being weird ig but the old bot never did that before
My bot has also never done this before so I have no idea lmao
exotic stag
might just be the fact it ran a code twice
unique vector
gos
ruby plover
also, if you want the spawn to happen on the beat
it will spawn like 10 seconds after you summon it
and i know that thats not really that long but. actually i dont know where im going with this, i am starting to remember that one rover quote
hollow shell
@sullen plume Your reasoning needs to be stronger than "I think it would be cool"
sullen plume
fair enough
fossil finch
Bingo
fossil finch
Agree, this potions are good, but it's dumb that they're locked behind shitty critter spawnrates
It'd probably also benefit from a retier a little bit later in the game, maybe
cobalt pewter
froge
tardy geyser
frogs are easy to get tho, just make a few houses, move npcs into them, and zerg
i usually run out of vines first
ruby plover
i think i could probably add more reasoning to my suggestion, just kinda thought of it and thought it would be nice to see given the Spark is no longer in the Sponge and Absorber
ruby plover
ah
small tusk
lol
ruby plover
what if it... replaced the psychotic amulet tho 
crude geode
auric is already a massive amalgamation of bullshit let's not add more to it
violet dagger
when the 🛠️ is
this referring to biome shrine sugg?
small tusk
yo just wondering any glaring issues with my sugg, that one is bigger and kinda random
violet dagger
I mean I don't see any problems other than that really
crude geode
agree, should be fine
small tusk
if that was the issue I'd be quite happy rn
violet dagger
very good reasoning, doesn't break any don'ts so yeah
cobalt pewter
@ruby plover no. auric is already super bloated
crude geode
why trinket of chi isn't a stealth effect I will never know
cobalt pewter
aight
crude geode
ig the auric tesla thing is valid under "more tesla effect"
small tusk
why trinket of chi isn't a stealth effect I will never know
yeah omg trinket is just so bad, like stand still, for a single attack getting a 50% boost, after you've already been killed for trying to stand still like a madman
cobalt pewter
personally I'd rather them get rid of the random accs into the armor crafting and make the effects more streamlined
but I've had enough auric rant for the rest of the year so
ruby plover
i mean if anything having the effects remain but get rid of the accessories that are used to craft it would be cool
getting 10 ancient cloth in the underground desert post yharon be like
crude geode
imagine instead of the extremely unique lunar armors you instead had to have every hardmode ore including chloro to craft the terraria armor set, and it just copied their effects
small tusk
lol
cobalt pewter
that wouldn't even be too bad if the whole thing doesn't scream like everything was hacked and stuck together with glue
ruby plover
i agree to more unique auric tesla stuff is good
small tusk
Auric just seems like the hardmode equivalent of if statigel armor was made of every pre-HM ore mixed with a random biome shrine chest item 
ruby plover
wait does it. does it have any stuff that is uniquely auric tesla yet?
cobalt pewter
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh, only stats stuff if I recall, and it's not even much
everything else derived from material armors
ruby plover
greeeaaaat
crude geode
pretty sure there's something that isn't copied
cobalt pewter
everything that's supposed to be unique are from previous armors
crude geode
nvm yeah just stats
small timber
frogs are easy to get tho, just make a few houses, move npcs into them, and zerg
I though "town" is added in 1.4 since in 1.3 normal mobs keep spawning, but ya regardless I think the method is abit too specific that most people do not know that it exist at all
ruby plover
would a sugg of "add an ability that is unique to auric tesla that is not just stats" be too general?
crude geode
pretty sure it's like. on dev's radar
ruby plover
oh okay, won't bother then if that's the case
small timber
auric tesla do have standing still bonus (though you very rarely get to use it) so replacing psychotic amulet with amidias spark (which I think reflect damage to enemy on getting hit is already part of the set bonus) is just a redundant recipe, though I still agree auric effect should be changed
ruby plover
i am a bit bias because i enjoy the spark effect
tardy geyser
I though "town" is added in 1.4 since in 1.3 normal mobs keep spawning, but ya r...
ye, its kind of obscure and there should still be another way to get frogs, like fishing maybe.
ruby plover
but ye i agree less bloat is best now
tardy geyser
and in 1.3 having 3 npcs makes only critters spawn
small timber
ye, its kind of obscure and there should still be another way to get frogs, like...
ya, I only know it exist (or at least it is so strong that it suppress enemy spawn) because of 100% bestiary in vanilla
ruby plover
im gonna delete my sugg, it's kinda suck 
small timber
(I can't 100% confirm since I only vaguely remember I heard of it), but ya cnidrion is gonna get changed, along with amidias spark
gray nebula
Chnidrion
grim tusk
Seahorse scrutiny
brittle pumice
@edgy pagoda You could also mention its use in creating a flying carpet in worlds without one for the Auric Tesla set, which is another very good reason to make it buyable.
small timber
a previous suggestion for making magic carpet craftable in prehardmode is approve, so probably no need to mention too much more
since the (current) suggestion for ancient cloth is mainly for auric set anyway
oh wait it didnt mention magic carpet my bad
cobalt pewter
@low monolith
- "naturally", not "nautarly"
- press shift + enter after the title to make a line break, that way the sugg can actually be processed by the bot
- annoying needs 2 n letters
formatting aside, I can see a general toggle item for events, but nothing specific
as in said single item can just be used to prevent all events from happening while active
small timber
ya the chance of these events happening are actually really low, so probably no point for just prevention of a single event
calamity have acid rain prevent item because acid rain (actually) happen really frequently, and it is a calamity event so it make sense
low monolith
<@287520263220887555>
1. "naturally", not "nautarly"
2. press shift + enter afte...
dude im awake for like 28 hours already give me a break but thanks
golden tulip
not his problem
low monolith
fixed it
golden tulip
naturally is still not correct
low monolith
as in said single item can just be used to prevent all events from happening whi...
i dont think it should work on events you havent beaten yet
thorny sapphire
should ark of the cosmos become ark of the biome blade then aswell?
ashen warren
No because there's Ark of the Elements behind it as well
thorny sapphire
yeah, ark of the biome blade
small timber
the entire ark and biome blade line is getting rework, no point in suggesting it right now
thorny sapphire
i think wof should roar before he fires lasers, currently the roar sound effect doesnt do anything
small timber
also just for your reference, if I remember correctly wof only roar when he is enraged
thorny sapphire
he does roar when enraged
but it also just happens periodically through the fight
small timber
oh that one I think is just signifying speed increase
basically at certain hp % when his speed increase he will roar, if I remember
thorny sapphire
even so it would be much better as a way of signifying when he's going to use the laser attack
small timber
my concern is the roar will get super annoying, because wof laser attack is very frequent
exotic stag
that'd be roar spam
thorny sapphire
as right now you don't have much time to react to them
small timber
and he has 1 laser variant
small timber
I mean wof roar is "lengthy", so in some way it is more annoying, unless they add a custom roar
basically you will have 90% of the fight roaring if wof is to roar right now
thorny sapphire
it would be the same with eye's roar, but they pitch shifted it up
so it takes less time to play
and wof really need some kind of indicator for his attack
small timber
maybe, I still think if they do it they probably have to slightly tweak the roar sound (shorter), then it should be fine
thorny sapphire
as right now it just happens with no indicator
fossil finch
what
small timber
wof in general needs an entire rework, but ya that is another topic
fossil finch
No why would you have galaxia get a worse name
thorny sapphire
yeah, i just thought this would be simpler fix fornow
this isn't a perfect solution for wof
exotic stag
feed no
fossil finch
Because the person doing the sugg knows nothing about being cool
cobalt pewter
if anything, the "True x" naming needs to be gone
fossil finch
"Namr consistenc- WHO CARES
Slamslamslam
distant gyro
Galaxia is not going to get renamed because Galaxia isn't going to be a biome blade
cobalt pewter
it's overdone and garbage iirc
distant gyro
frail mantle
galaxia sounds cooler than galactic biome blade
small timber
and also galaxia is the final one before it merge with ark line, so it having a different name is not really inconsistent, since it is the last unique one in the line
thorny sapphire
yeah, its like saying terra blade should be "True True Excalibur"
small timber
and also only starting from galaxia do it give player buff, so it having different name is also not out of the way
eternal escarp
besides with the reworks, who knows maybe galaxia wont relate to the biome blade rework anymore
fossil finch
True True Excalibur Edge of Night
eternal escarp
double rework
thorny sapphire
True True Excalibur Edge of Night
this is a better name i think
frail mantle
it's still galaxia
small timber
just does it still merge?
eternal escarp
i mean like, mechanically speaking
small timber
the biome blade and ark line
frail mantle
but the rework makes the name feel more accurate
cobalt pewter
true biome blade, true yharim's thing like enmskdkfkfkfkdkxk
get rid of true names then we'll talk
eternal escarp
true oathblade
distant gyro
when the true blades are fake
distant gyro
(not actually yermes's sword)
small timber
also can the retiering of true sword finally happen, currently it is like a post-plantera sword that immediately get upgrade post-plantera
eternal escarp
is there any reason for Terra Edge to exist over Terra Blade?
eternal escarp
afaik Terra Edge is simply better in every other aspect
frail mantle
i think there's planned to be some shuffling when 1.4 rolls around
cobalt pewter
exotic stag
terror edge
distant gyro
terra edge exists out of stubbornness
eternal escarp
ah so, far plans?
frail mantle
with terra edge exclusively crafting into terratomere and exoblade and terra blade exclusively crafting into zenith
distant gyro
if that answers the question
eternal escarp
wanted to make a sugg to rid of Terra Edge and give the same buffs to Terra Blade but i guess theres no use then
frail mantle
but i'm not sure if those plans are set in stone
cobalt pewter
just rework Terra Blade to be oomph and silently remove Terra Edge
done
and done
small timber
oh ya zenith, the criticism when calamity inevitably nerf zenith (either recipe or damage) will be fun
small timber
ya probably make it require some exo mechs weapon/scal drop, and retier them constantly like shadowspec, since zenith means "apex/peak"
eternal escarp
byeah i wouldnt be surprised if itd get pushed to dev tier of sorts but, far future stuff
thorny sapphire
oh ya zenith, the criticism when calamity inevitably nerf zenith (either recipe ...
New: Zenith now requires Cosmilite Bars
tardy geyser
ya probably make it require some exo mechs weapon/scal drop, and retier them con...
and nadir would only be 2 tiers below it
exotic stag
@digital saddle Betsy's wrath debuff. so uh
yes people use that.
also by endgame most bosses are kinda immune to every debuff
digital saddle
the only boss post ml immune to every debuff is dog
small timber
next patch rework basically the entire debuff system, probably just wait to see how it turns out
digital saddle
thats more for debuffs that deal damage though
small timber
most of the debuff will be about dealing damage
cursed flame and ichor is just the least interesting way of dealing damage with debuff (making enemy defensively weaker and therefore amplify your damage)
grim tusk
@digital saddle kami flu, any slowing/stun debuff, armor crunch/shatter
exotic stag
seeing as how it does DoT and a debuff.
grim tusk
easily topping ichor?
On hm no, on post-ml yes
exotic stag
byeh
exotic stag
uh
grim tusk
Although there are some scenarios you want ichor
small timber
personally I think I will rather debuff be more interesting than just reduce defense, cause you know, it is more interesting
grim tusk
armor crunch is another thing where you just equip it then use it forever
Until you get shatter
Which is just a better version of it
digital saddle
i just hate how flasks stagnate
small timber
flask don't really stagnate, just that you can only use one of it
digital saddle
well, another issue is you're not choosing between ichor and armor crunch and abyssal flames
you just use them all at once
exotic stag
yeah but. buff slots.
grim tusk
You could also use venom flask if you want more DoT
small timber
I think you are choosing between them, only 1 flask works no?
digital saddle
they arent flasks
grim tusk
Yea 1 flask limit
grim tusk
But crumbling/shattering and calamitas brew arent
grim tusk
abyssal flames also has a flask
It is not
digital saddle
i think it used to be a flask
fossil finch
something something buff slots anyway
digital saddle
then they changed it
grim tusk
Its a swiftness potion that also adds abyssal flames
exotic stag
no wait im thinking of the alchnpc one
small timber
anything that is crafted at witch doctor's imbuing station is flask I think (except calamitas brew, for some reason)
digital saddle
that could be another way to make other flasks more appealing
exotic stag
also ele gauntlet inflicts abyssal flames
digital saddle
like say there was a nightwither or godslayer inferno flask
you could make then also give minor buffs to you
small timber
player have enough positive buff in the game that I think people will rather not deal with the debuff they apply consuming buff slot
exotic stag
byeah not sure why its just restricted to elemental gauntlet..
digital saddle
im not sure if this is outsizing the scale of a "suggestion" though to ask "rework the flask system"
small timber
since it will be super unaccountable (eg: ele gauntlet just give you 5 random buff you don't want)
digital saddle
elegauntlet kinda broken imo lol
exotic stag
ele gauntlet is the only other item in the game to inflict abyssal flames for the player.
digital saddle
at least compared to the other classes post dog superaccessory
small timber
ele gauntlet is actually not, because apparently there is vanilla debuff limit and the max you can apply is 5
exotic stag
also yeah that
small timber
so ele gauntlet have like 10 debuff but it actually only apply 5 (I heard they gonna nerf it)
exotic stag
ele gauntlet is just a very strange item overall.
digital saddle
they removed the cool effect from elequiver
so now its just a stat stick pretty much
small timber
mage accessory is just pathethic, they are not weak but the entire line is just stat stick
exotic stag
byeah most of the post DoG stuff imo is already sorta fine
digital saddle
imo some of the post dog accessories should be moved to draedon's forge tier
its kind of just "killing dog unlocks every endgame accessory have fun"
i guess this is the kind of thing that will be remedied as more content is added though
since right now draedons forge doesnt really do much of anything
exotic stag
i mean post DoG is the start of the end of the end tier currently.
digital saddle
i'd say thats yharon
golden tulip
there have been plans for postml and specifically postdog stuff for a long while now
i mean im sure there are a lot of other plans but this one has been known
fossil finch
Moving them to post draedon would be an horrid shot
gray nebula
if anything, the "True x" naming needs to be gone
next update one "true" dies 🛌 sadly i could not get to killing more but i also got a small win agaisnt another stupid pre-title i cannot tell you about yet
cobalt pewter
so now its just a stat stick pretty much
meanwhile ESA is still unapologetically stat stick and no one seemed to care 
normal otter
i do think that there should be a better balance between available equipment post yharon and post dog
fossil finch
Dev plans.png
silver silo
D:
grim tusk
meanwhile ESA is still unapologetically stat stick and no one seemed to care <:h...
Summoner minion slot min maxers
unique vector
im going to leak everye single dev plan known to exist by sending it all as a mcdonalds receipt
silver silo
McDonald’s receipt novel
grim tusk
Summoner minion slot min maxers
Just use hallowed rune instead, its far better lol
fossil finch
im going to leak everye single dev plan known to exist by sending it all as a mc...
me analyzing the mcdonalds receipt for all dev plans
unique vector
free borgar medium meal
hollow shell
@ashen warren You're boring :/
eternal escarp
yeah it is definitely just
boring
rename true biome blade to Terra iirc
truly differentiate them all
cobalt pewter
rover has no chill on this one in particular
eternal escarp
someone needs to be based..
fossil finch
True biome blade is prolly just biome blade now
Considering the current biome blade is uh
Not a functional sword anymore
Y'know with the fact it's broken
unique vector
no cap
eternal escarp
i wond r 😳
exotic stag
also this sounds stupid because ore slimes are cool
cobalt pewter
@gleaming orbit
- Too specific
- Super boss oriented, and mindlessly grinding for boss is the last thing anyone wants to do
- Kinda cringe + ratio iirc
exotic stag
and also
"faster then mining"
their only faster if you are lazy and just make an autofarm with a bunch of spawnrate boosters
gleaming orbit
their only faster if you are lazy and just make an autofarm with a bunch of spaw...
pretty sure just zerg is really fast and easy
exotic stag
that requires: making zergs. make an autofarm. and be able to survive an onslaught
gleaming orbit
that requires: making zergs. make an autofarm. and be able to survive an onslaug...
1 zerg is pretty cheap and will get you a lot of ore, farm is not neccesary
exotic stag
actually 1 zerg requires you to kill slime god. so if your farming a lot of ore (Which a lot of recipes require)
your gonna need a few zergs
also you have to rely on slime spawning
gleaming orbit
there is literally only one cal ore before slime god
exotic stag
aerialite. which can take a while to gather enough of
seeing as how aerialite spawns in small chunks
and the slimes are hard to come by
fossil finch
Wouldn't this be directly contradictory with the future plans for ore slimes anyway
cobalt pewter
making them not
fossil finch
Anyways uh atmods exclaim!!!!!!
gleaming orbit
are there plans for ore slimes?
cobalt pewter
slimes
hollow shell
This is a bit specific of a suggestion yeah
gleaming orbit
probably true
gleaming orbit
Feed has just described the entirety of them
where
gleaming orbit
still cant find it, am i just blind or?
gleaming orbit
mhm
small timber
I think the real problem is: what does the suggestion do differs from just ore slime? other than you go from killing ore slimes to bosses
because the suggestion listed many problems that ore slimes has just to introduce a solution that is basically alternative to ore slimes but solves none of the stated problems
exotic stag
and also inventory clutter
grim tusk
This sugg has SIS energy
gleaming orbit
I think the real problem is: what does the suggestion do differs from just ore s...
A: Faster for late game players who need ore for things like building
B: Since you'd need to mine to get them, mining wouldn't be totally unnecessary
C: If you do it just after the boss it will be more challenging and hopefully more fun than shooting blobs
fossil finch
no ore slimes spawn commonly enough for the point that supports b to ever be a problem anyway
exotic stag
A: Just use cheatsheet for building
B: If your already mining. why not keep mining instead of having to go back. make a boss item. and repeatedly fight for a material
C: doing it right after a boss just kinda sucks since you just got over that hurdle. so why cant you just enjoy some relaxing mining instead
ta da
Countered 3 points with 3 points.
stiff wren
A: Just use cheatsheet for building <:bruh:644332300418678785>
B: If your alrea...
But cheat sheet bad ‼️
(Cheat sheet good)
gleaming orbit
A: Just use cheatsheet for building <:bruh:644332300418678785>
B: If your alrea...
A: I dont feel like bringing in cheat sheet should be necessary for making cool builds
B: Renewability
C: Dont have any counter arguments for that one actually
exotic stag
A: I dont feel like bringing in cheat sheet should be necessary for making cool ...
A: cheat sheet is kinda necessary for building usually. since you can cheat in any blocks to make it look nicer rather then worldtravel for a few glass pieces.
B: Renewability? Ore slimes already do cover that. and are WAY more renewable then having to fight a boss over and over
exotic stag
we can even just make the ores require a special extractinator material.
gleaming orbit
I dont really feel like this discussion is going anywhere so imma just leave
sleek wadi
Having a boss for every ore sounds either like a lot of work or really bloaty depending on implementation
exotic stag
and that makes it renewable.
frail mantle
having a renewable source of ore is fine but having them all be slimes is boring
exotic stag
or hell even if you need bars and your like. post moonlord
Ravager exists for that so
gleaming orbit
Ravager exists for that so
wasn't boss grinding bad?
gleaming orbit
yeah imma just go
golden tulip
Ravager exists for that so
yeah that argument was shit my dude lmao
small timber
A: Faster for late game players who need ore for things like building
B: Since ...
A) This is not a good argument as you basically go from killing weak slimes to killing early bosses by purely being overgeared, it is faster but it is not any more interesting
B) This has 0 difference with ore slimes
C) I do not feel killing bosses by overgearing them is any more exciting and challenging than killing slimes
Basically at this point the suggestion should just be make bosses drop the ores they unlock (plantera drop perennial, golem drop scoria etc)
The "materializer" part just make the suggestion become a SIS suggestion (which is criticized by others above) and completely redundant, it is just -1 inventory space for really no reason
exotic stag
i-
gleaming orbit
ngl if the ore slime rework is decent id rather have that than materializer stuff
modern dagger
neat linden
especially silva wings and elysian tracers, comparing the overall mobility and flight time of wings, tracers just feel overall worse in this case
fossil finch
rover already had some ideas for this back when the same type of sugg was made
idk if those are already just there sitting in dev for later
but it does probably fall under the
vocal ivy
Are there any issues with my suggestion?
exotic stag
i mean its adding linearity to something so i dont really see an issue?
although i do disagree with nerfing
fossil finch
both because of the re-fight intending and the fact that malice simply isn't something to base about anything around
vocal ivy
i mean its adding linearity to something so i dont really see an issue?
I'm pretty sure any other boss in hardmode can be fought at any point pretty much
exotic stag
byeah the only time you bring difficulties into something is if you are mentioning specifically that difficulty
exotic stag
I'm pretty sure any other boss in hardmode can be fought at any point pretty muc...
thats
what i meant
vocal ivy
Well I mean even if that's a bad thing PBG should at least match everything else
exotic stag
its not bad
the only points that need changing are nerfing the items. and the malice mode point
fossil finch
rover already had some ideas for this back when the same type of sugg was made
also i would like to mention this again
but this isn't really making your sugg invalid it's just that something for it may already be planned
exotic stag
byeah flask sugg time
fossil finch
its ok
fossil finch
something about flasks being melee and rogue only maybe probably
vocal ivy
the only points that need changing are nerfing the items. and the malice mode po...
Yeah I later changed it to altering the recipes slightly
Destroying the plague gear with nerfs doesn't sound great
exotic stag
you still have the nerf point in there.. or is it just not changing for me
anyway @digital saddle godslayer inferno already has a lot of stuff that inflict it. kinda bad point to bring up godslayer.. just sayin
vocal ivy
you still have the nerf point in there.. or is it just not changing for me
"or"
Changed it fully now
exotic stag
anyway <@!222486576658120707> godslayer inferno already has a lot of stuff that ...
byeah same with nightwither lol
digital saddle
that doesnt really affect whether or not it should be a flask
exotic stag
it kinda does
since the weapons already cover the flask duty
also astral infection has a lot of things that inflict it that are used.. a lot
also you can use holy wrath potion for holy flames
fossil finch
when suggesting stuff like this i think you should remember stuff like
Flasks being rogue and melee only, and the fact that armors and accs may already inflict those debuffs
digital saddle
?
digital saddle
what does that have to do with whether or not calamity should add some flasks
exotic stag
theres multiple weapons/items for every class that inflict all the debuffs you mentioned
fossil finch
it doesn't serve any more purpose than adding a support weapon or an acc that makes all your attacks inflict said debuffs
digital saddle
if you are using a weapon that inflicts one debuff
digital saddle
it is conceivable that you would want to use a flask that inflicts a different debuff
exotic stag
then just use another weapon?
you can swap fast for a debuff
or and hear me out
use an accessory.
if you want holy flames. both yharim accessories give you holy flames
as for god slayer inferno. both godslayer and auric armor inflict it
asgardian aegis also does
and amalgam.. varies
exotic stag
byeah i dont see a point in the sugg when already theres already so many alternatives
digital saddle
let me use my 35 second cooldown dash to inflict a debuff for 6 seconds
exotic stag
if its an alternative its an alternative.
also you have godslayer/auric armor to deal with the debuff too
and likely a lot of godslayer weapons
fossil finch
mfw actively neglecting things with no reason
exotic stag
mfw ding dong ditched after being proven wrong
golden tulip
after being active here for a few days i have seen an awful lot of "this conversation sucks i will leave now"
😐
fossil finch
it's an occurrence that happens here every now and then
exotic stag
either "convo sucks im out" or "ding dong ditcheridoo"
golden tulip
this place is just toxic
exotic stag
not as bad as CMT or terramain
golden tulip
cmt isnt as much toxic as it is childish
digital saddle
Its frustrating to talk to people who seem to be arguing in bad faith
golden tulip
i can see it being discouraging to post suggestions when apparently a lot of people here dont know about "constructive criticism" and just act like an asshole about it
hearty obsidian
vocal ivy
should I completely delete my point about malice or just change it?
crude geode
i can see it being discouraging to post suggestions when apparently a lot of peo...
I think it’s mainly because some people don’t realize that #suggestions-posting literally exists to refine suggestions, and not instantly be valid suggestions on it’s own
golden tulip
yea no feedback is good, but not everyone brings it over well
crude geode
should I completely delete my point about malice or just change it?
I would just delete it. Malice is it’s own beast that needs a lot of work currently.
grave zincBOT
@tardy harness - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Rework Cnidrion.]
It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
distant gyro
ok cool
crude geode
Pog
distant gyro
I guess that answers the question I had
crude geode
Pretty sure nobody does
distant gyro
the to-do could be anywhere between a month and a year
crude geode
distant gyro
and 4 decades
golden tulip
i guess when the time comes
crude geode
Yeah to do list is only slightly more hopeful than 👍
vocal ivy
I would just delete it. Malice is it’s own beast that needs a lot of work curren...
now it just feels way too short/weak
golden tulip
i love how comment links just send me to the channel and not the actual comment
crude geode
i love how comment links just send me to the channel and not the actual comment
That’s pisscord mobile
golden tulip
so true
crude geode
now it just feels way too short/weak
There’s a couple different suggestions about a similar idea (making PBG and plague less connected to golem’s death) somewhere in voting’s history. If you wanna go looking for it could give you some ideas for more reasoning.
vocal ivy
There’s a couple different suggestions about a similar idea (making PBG and plag...
Alright thanks for the help
crude geode
Np
crude geode
Yeah the others are pretty deep in voting iirc
vocal ivy
Yeah the others are pretty deep in voting iirc
I searched by keyword "plague"
@sick musk How would the game decide which bar to drop? Or would it drop both?
sick musk
It would only drop the mithril tier ingot from the first boss, then once the second boss is defeated it switches to adamantite tier from both
and after the third they all start dropping hallowed
fossil finch
they mean alts
byeah it could just drop both
the rework already makes you get both
sick musk
they mean alts
ah right, in that case it would probably be random
vocal ivy
Edited my suggestion yet again with a few things from other suggestions in the past
fossil finch
and remove that ore gen altogether<:HyperYharimJudge:482008732658565140>
lame
gray nebula
WAR MODE
fossil finch
i don't want to be grinding mechs, no thanks
gray nebula
FROM TERRARIA FAN IDEAS WIKI
fossil finch
WAR MODE
sleek turret
doesn't
fossil finch
NO FUCKING
exotic stag
dafuq
sleek turret
super hardmode reminder me of another mod
fossil finch
can we not do this
sleek turret
like
fossil finch
we don't have to do this
exotic stag
why do we need this
distant gyro
avalon meme
sleek turret
way back in the ages
exotic stag
ITS ALREADY OFFICIAL
fossil finch
super hardmode is from avalon yea
gray nebula
1 officializing post ml stuff is gringe
distant gyro
tremode (real)
golden tulip
postml is already a pretty well known name for the stage lol
gray nebula
like, "Hardmode" is it ever used anywhere in terrair
gray nebula
dont wanna cringe everytime i read a convo and see "calamitymode"
hollow idol
post hardmode
golden tulip
im in godmode :sungla
hollow idol
postml is too set in stone at this point even if its sorta inconsistentish
golden tulip
ok leave war mode for post yharim stage 😎
sleek turret
thing is pmuch people will still call it like that
fossil finch
is hardmode even an official name or was it just adopted by the devs after fan creation
vocal ivy
like, "Hardmode" is it ever used anywhere in terrair
Isn't there the achievement for beating WoF
exotic stag
yes
hollow idol
its internally called hardMode
exotic stag
and that yes
fossil finch
fair enough then
vocal ivy
It says like "beat the wall of flesh and enter hardmode"
hollow idol
(also any names would end up sounding like a difficulty mode ngl
ruby plover
Yeah but where else is the term hard mode used
sleek turret
celestial mode
exotic stag
achievements. internally
ruby plover
I think the only mention of hardmode as “hardmode” is with the achievement. That’s it
exotic stag
I think the only mention of hardmode as “hardmode” is with the achievement. That...
yuh literally said internally its called hardmode
golden tulip
boss checklist in modded ig
sleek turret
i mean yeah
hollow idol
mobile had a notif on reaching hardmode, forgot if it explicitly named it
ruby plover
Can’t really rely on optional add on mods for that but. I don’t really think the name of the part of the game needs to be formalised
vocal ivy
what about the wiki
Fan made
golden tulip
its official tho
hollow idol
Fan made when half the editors are also devs
sleek turret
it's maintained by the user base + the devs
golden tulip
wheres that from
ruby plover
Mobile terraria
sleek turret
mobile considering the quality
golden tulip
oh lol
sleek turret
yeah it's mobile
ruby plover
Mobile terraria 
exotic stag
"The generation time depends on world size. If the player exits the world before the message appears, the loading description "Setting hard mode" [sic] will appear and the player has to wait for the game to generate the Hardmode biomes before returning to the main menu."
sleek turret
statement
hollow idol
[sic]
frail mantle
new death boss ais is already happening
golden tulip
new death boss ais is already happening
also yea this
((though not all bosses get ai changes right?))
fossil finch
sic implies hardmode is the official name or something
or that you can't be "Setting hardmode"
funny
eventually
exotic stag
no it just means the typos are intentional
neat linden
i assume "hard mode" and not "hardmode"
fossil finch
i guess yea
exotic stag
byech
grim tusk
Post-ML is a good name
sleek turret
post-ml is just set in the stone for forever
exotic stag
post death of god
sleek turret
post-ml is just set in the stone for forever
it's not bad
it's just that putting an official mode name wouldn't matter since people would just keep calling it like that
hollow shell
@tawny echo See the most recent changelog in #changelogs
Death Mode boss AIs are currently getting a refurbish
violet dagger
I assume these ai changes are in some way a replacement to weather effects getting removed
fallow hedge
Post-ML makes more sense than giving it a new name entirely
the world is drastically altered upon killing the Wall of Flesh, when you kill the Moon Lord all you really get is the profaned enemies, Phantom Spirits, and Luminite/Exodium planetoids
I don't think that's enough to give it a new title
exotic stag
post-wof
ruby plover
cryogen doesnt use that attack anymore
and no, when it did have that attack it was random spread
exotic stag
the 16 ice blasts thing
hollow shell
<@!149223721700163584>
Yeah what's up
golden tulip
(he is a fan)
raven cradle
hy rover
hey rover
give me advice
what accesories should i use for dog
im true melee
using murasama
ruby plover
austere cargo
I propose G-Rank for post-moon lord.
crude geode
Changing it at this point is unnecessary considering it’s just referred to as post ml
exotic stag
exotic stag
good sugg
fallow hedge
yeah
borders on a meme sugg
doesn't provide any reason for an implementation either
violet dagger
isn't there a mod that sort of does this
fallow hedge
I believe there is actually, yes
violet dagger
everyone used it in like 2017
exotic stag
yes
ruby plover
totally not something that people would use to like. summon a boss and then save and exit, and keep on doing that until the boss has the Broken modifier
also it's just a bit of a weird idea of something to add lol. Would be a cool idea if it didn't exist already (just, not for Calamity)
unborn siren
#suggestions-posting message
hmm yes, life allot
violet dagger
ratio'd over a spelling mistake
grim tusk
@ashen warren iirc there is a mod that already does that (enemy reforges or smth, I cant remember the exact name), also there is no point in doing that for Cal anyways
and if what you want is difficulty go do malice mode or some other ridiculously hard challenge
crude geode
It doing a “teleport next to player” spam phase sounds disappointing
ruby plover
if it did some chain dashes, as in it emerged from a portal, immediately entered into another portal (similar to p1-p2 transition) and did a few of those, exited portals and firing fireballs out each time, that could be good for AN attack in "a god does not fear death" phase
if <18% was JUST potal dashes it would be a bit eh
fossil finch
imagine if dog was good