suggestions-discussion

[small timber]

Although only for like cryogen and dragonfolly tbh

[frail mortar]

I don't think every boss is bad with biome enrages

But some like dragonfolly just get really annoying

It enrages anyway due to part of the fight

But it gains a secondary enrage if you leave the jungle

[brisk bramble]

I would say one of em is a bit overtuned
Desert Scourge Malice is uh

[unique vector]

i rlly think that gives too much leeway

[small timber]

The only one I think dont need at all is providence (it had soft arena so biome enrage is unnecessary)

[unique vector]

u should be punished for being out for more than 5 seconds

[brisk bramble]

I mean it aint that bad
but with how limited your movement is
I would say DS malice is pretty overtuned

[unique vector]

i mean maybe it’d be 6-7 at most but 10 is way too much

at that point its either an issue with you having shitty movement or the boss pushing you out of its bounds too much

[frail mortar]

There is one boss on malice that i've been trying to kill for so long on-tier

[small timber]

Maybe, i just thought biome enrage being specifically at 6-7 is a weird number so said it as multiplier of 5

[frail mortar]

Perf hive, for the sword

XD

[unique vector]

then keep it at 5 and either get better at movement or find bosses that genuinely have issues forcing you out of bounds too much and find ways to fix those

[frail mortar]

Perf hive annoys me only because of one mechanic that annoys me just a little

The ichor blobs

[unique vector]

thats a valid concern to have

[frail mortar]

Ye

Perforator hive i feel would be an easier fight on malice if ichor blobs weren't in the fight

It kinda restricts your movement as you have to be aware of where they are the short time they are there

I've had the worms knock me into them when i'm trying to focus the worms

XD

Same with perf hive ramming me, and knocking me into one also

[brisk bramble]

The ramming thing for perf is relatively easy to dodhe

[frail mortar]

Ye

[brisk bramble]

I get the blobs are the main problem

it ruins your flow too if you get hit

[frail mortar]

The blobs i feel should either be less frequent or not there at all on malice

As the worms are already your main concern, and the tighter spaces between perf's projectiles

[brisk bramble]

I would say make the spaces wider
but that might be counter-intuitive

[small timber]

Although back to suggestion, I think desert is the main culprit, desert requires absurd amount of blocks to be considered in biome (which is why you are out of biome immediately flying even just a little)

[brisk bramble]

And the fargo mutant fountains dont work either

[small timber]

Evil blocks have less harsh requirement

[brisk bramble]

the desert fountains dont work for some reason

but the ice fountain works

[frail mortar]

The malice fight takes a lot to actually beat as there's a lot to focus on
-the positions of ichor blobs
-gaps between the projectiles
-the worms that are extremely fast and do a lot of damage if not dodged or taken out as soon as possible

[cobalt pewter]

tldr skill issue

gotcha

[frail mortar]

-dodging perf's rams

[cobalt pewter]

[frail mortar]

You have to deal with the boss and the minions ramming you, and ichor blobs, and projectiles getting rained on you

I've had all of these knock me into ichor blobs in a combo a few times

[hollow shell]

Not sure if Coke's sugg needs to be separated or not

[crude geode]

That or it needs to be changed to just “Nerf death mode destroyer”

Does any fight in malice straight up remove a section of a fight?

It sounds super weird as a concept for the difficulty mode to remove an attack of the fight

[frail mortar]

Not usually, however perf hive tends to fire these blobs at a consistant rate and they limit the area you may move around during the fight

These inflict contact damage and ichor, and the worms perf summons on malice have very fast speed, so even getting hit by or getting knocked into one leaves you open to a lot of damage

[crude geode]

Shocking that you need a large arena for malice bosses

[frail mortar]

I have a large arena

[crude geode]

Just bringing up the point that toning them down instead of straight up removing them is an option

[frail mortar]

I did suggest either toning them down or removing them

[crude geode]

Yes but I’m saying to remove that portion because it feels extremely weird and out of left field for malice to do

Unless you can find other examples of attacks being removed in malice

Aside from that the sugg seems fine. Slightly subjective but most balance boss suggs tend to be

@hollow shell Thoughts on latest suggestion in posting?

[hollow shell]

Yes it would be quite strange for the hive to lose the blob attack

in Malice

Should probably be narrowed down to just nerfing them, toning them down

[frail mortar]

That's why i put "either nerf or remove"

[hollow shell]

Okay but remove the bit about removing them

[frail mortar]

Aight

[hollow shell]

(also I'd like to point out
"fighting this boss on-tier seems just a little unfair as the sword dropped by the perforator is sought after by the melee class at this point in the game."
that Malice will not have exclusive items anymore next update)

[silver silo]

Didn’t take long to change that eh

[frail mortar]

Done

[frail mortar]

Oh yeah

i entirely forgot about that

[small timber]

Althought this is probably just my own opinion, I think the blob attack is fine, what need to be changed is the wall

the attack have 0 synergy with the worms and is so hard to dodge (namely when you are trying to dodge the worms) that it is encouraged to move out of the range of the attack rather than dodging between the gap

[white patrol]

graph of the dmg calculations i proposed as examples
green is base dmg^(1/(10-x))
blue is base dmg x/9
red is base dmg sqrt(x/9)

[hushed jetty]

you can't suggest future content yet

[exotic stag]

future content

[hushed jetty]

Wait till 005

[white patrol]

ah ok

imma delete

[exotic stag]

or 1.5.0.1.4

[hushed jetty]

Maybe even 1.5.1

[exotic stag]

1.5.5

[cobalt pewter]

what was the suggestion even

it has a chart and stuff

[exotic stag]

mythril

armor

005 thing

[hushed jetty]

since early HM armor has been implemented they might as well do the rest of draedon update director's cut stuff :tro

[white patrol]

mythril armour shoting every frame but with dmg scaling based on how much time passed from the last projectile it shooted

just thought it woud've been funnier to spam extremely low dmg projectiles with megashark

[unique vector]

we arent doing all of it this patch

for certain reasons

[exotic stag]

and also

you want mythril armor to be ethereal extorter 2

[hushed jetty]

I see I see

[unique vector]

yea

the HM armors are most likely the extent we’ll do for cut content this patch

[hushed jetty]

that's nice

[cobalt pewter]

what were the cut content anyways

I remembered exo armor

but nothing else

[unique vector]

exo armor is a good one

[hushed jetty]

Exo armor, demonshade helms, cosmic discharge rework

[exotic stag]

~~ok but ethereal extorter nerf ~~

[hushed jetty]

List is still in mod announcements

[cobalt pewter]

ah

[unique vector]

theres a bunch of stuff ye

[hushed jetty]

Most excited about exo armor

[white patrol]

anyway, i just thought it would've been funnier to use in that way, even with no changes to the dps

[exotic stag]

well your idea anyway would've likely been rejected even if it was allowed on to voting

mostly because no one wants ethereal extorter 2

[white patrol]

why? lag?

i am kinda out of the loop

[exotic stag]

no..

projectile spam

[white patrol]

not enough time to play terraria so i am waiting for the director's cut to release

[exotic stag]

yeah i dont need to explain this

[unique vector]

that sounds like extra work for no reason

if it doesn’t change the way the armor works

[white patrol]

understandable

[exotic stag]

"14!"

[lunar sky]

[exotic stag]

@jolly steppe you can shorten your title to "Rework malice mode ravager"

also dont use just personal preference. because we dont know how good or bad you are at the game, take it from the average player rather then you in specific

[eternal escarp]

also also

seeing as you complain about insta-hit from walls

i think you might be.. fighting ravager wrong

[small timber]

Mentioning ravager wall as "insta spawn" is already showing a lack of understanding on the boss

[eternal escarp]

1. walls spawn periodically, every 3 stomps iirc, easily reactable
2. if you are constantly running away from the boss, then thats you first issue, ravager is more so about staying closer and dodging accordingly, especially in P2

[small timber]

And also "less annoying" do not make good argument, try to make it more objective

[exotic stag]

yesh

[stiff wren]

every 3 stomps? i didnt know that

[eternal escarp]

pretty sure

first stomp - walls
second stomp - fire pillars
third stomp - wall fling

[gritty tide]

Ravager despawning in mp was hell

[gritty tide]

Walls ain't random?

[eternal escarp]

no, im 100% sure on that

they arent

they are connected to Ravager's current jump

[gritty tide]

I actually need to learn patterns

[eternal escarp]

same with Crabulon's Shroom Ceiling things

[exotic stag]

thats not.. a mechanic thats just a bug lol

[gritty tide]

Will be helpful if I decide to go to the dark path and noshit rev

[gritty tide]

Ik

It stomps a little too far away

Just like bitch anahita spawning Levi far and then despawning

[exotic stag]

no its just locking onto two different characters.

[gritty tide]

I was in single player too

Prob because she has to touch the ground and I was far above

[exotic stag]

for rav despawning he jumps toward his head. which if its locked onto another player will make him yeet himself

thats basically it

[small timber]

Rav have a relatively short despawn range in singleplayer, if you stay offscreen (like 2 screen) for 5 seconds it will probably despawn

Any other case it is bug (especially mp)

Ravager is a close range boss anyway so under normal circumstances it will not despawn (unless your entire strategy is to max move speed and fly away)

Ravager pillar spawn is definitely based on his jump/stomp in phase 1, the reason you can feel the timing is "off" is because Ravager tries to follow your movement, so if you are falling it will also delay the jump (therefore the timing), just keep track of the exact moment its feet touch the ground instead of when it starts

[trail raven]

any ideas for spider armor rework?

[crude geode]

Spider armor is fine?

[unique vector]

yall rlly wanna start reworking everything huh

[west jackal]

Yeah lmao

But spider armor doesn’t need a rework yeah

It’s the standard summoner armor

[crude geode]

yeah it's kinda wack to rework everything, but big agree that spider armor is fine as is

if this is in some reference to early hm armor getting summoner/rogue helmets I know for a fact a decent chunk of people will still just use spider armor because its made for the summoner class lol

[silver silo]

Calamity fans when something hasn’t been reworked to fit exactly how they want it to be

[meager geyser]

what is this slr?

[unique vector]

ombg

[brisk bramble]

Wait in tem

They will get used to it

Then it get removed

Then
bRinG THeM bAcK

N yall can be chads bout it or smthin

[ruby plover]

suggestions based on future content

[crude geode]

@rough venture "105 - BoC teleports further away from its target while enraged. - Done"
part of next update

believe it should count for malice?

[cobalt pewter]

I guess in a way

with the way the sugg is worded

[rough venture]

i did not see that

thank you

[small timber]

Isnt the cnidrion suggestion supposed to be marked with blue check (or something)? Since it is something the devs is already doing

[unborn siren]

Draft:

Rework or just undo the changes to Destroyer's barrage system

The changes to Destroyer's laser barrage system were meant to reduce rng, but it actually had quite the opposite effect in my opinion. The new system allows for a ton of hits, such as him starting a barrage right next to you, and just doesn't feel rewarding to dodge. In vanilla, it gives a cool feeling when you weave through a barrage of projectiles, which is helped by the small laser hitbox, but when you go through the line of lasers in calamity it just feels like you got lucky. The problem is further worsened by Destroyer's ability to fly during the fight, which makes it easy for him to wrap around you with his excessively high speed and force you between the destroyer body and a wall of lasers. The problem gets even worse when Destroyer gets to low hp and can fire 2 barrages of lasers at once, resulting in a lot of situations that just feel really rng and not fun to dodge. For some examples of when destroyer can get free hits: Did he start the barrage too close to you? cheap hit. Did he coil around you while a laser barrage was going? hope you're feeling lucky. Did he do the first barrage while even slightly curved? hope you have the RoD and really good reaction time. Are 2 barrages going at once? sure hope that the angles they're firing from don't just so happen to make it nearly impossible to dodge.

The reason the barrage system works well with Astrum Deus is because of his small segment count relative to other worm bosses. It provides a quick wave of projectiles that you can react to, effectively treating it as one large projectile rather than several small ones. Combine this with it being really hard to get coiled by him makes the attack enjoyable to dodge. However, this barrage style just doesn't translate well to much larger worm sizes for the reasons listed above.

tl; dr: the barrage system for destroyer just makes the fight worse, not better.

wow I only had 36 characters remaining by the end of that

[unique vector]

its 🔒

i could technically mark it early

@hollow shell do u think i should

[unborn siren]

so any feedback before I post this?

[hollow shell]

Is 👀 applicable here?

[unique vector]

o

eyes would prolly fit better? but in main that'd just be 🛠️

you'd have to wait for it to be ported to our server for eyes to work properly bc otherwise it wont get "approved" on our end i think

(im not too sure)

[hollow shell]

So, yeah tools then

[unique vector]

yeh

ill jsut wait for it to pass to dev

[unborn siren]

also essay moment

[small timber]

I think the only change they need to do is just limit the amount of sections destroyer can fire laser from, all other aspect of destroyer is just destroyer

since the main problem is always that his laser keeps firing for like half an hour

[novel belfry]

i'd say let only astrum deus have the barrage system, destroyer should have something different, something less orderly (given its not the final iteration we fight)

[unborn siren]

have destroyer fire 1 laser from every segment at the same time on a clearly indicated timer

[abstract violet]

I relate to this on a spiritual level

But yeah, the "fixed" laser barrages are annoying as shit and feel RNG

[unborn siren]

the "Congratulations! You are being rescued! Please do not resist." meme template is a perfect summary of the situation imo

[abstract violet]

There is also the probes that are there for the cheap, random hits

[unborn siren]

yep

[abstract violet]

And the phase with the 2 laser barrages is absolute agony, combine with his large size and speed

[abstract violet]

It almost feels impossible to dodge, unless you have an insane arena

[frail mortar]

The yharim's intro thing by dm dokuro won't be used as
A) that's a scrapped project
B) dokuro is no longer a calamity dev/soundtrack artist, that's now CDMusic

[frail mantle]

It could theoretically be used as long as the devs ask dok for permission first

But it is scrapped yeah

[cobalt heath]

people just cant give up on dokuro

wich makes sence

[frail mortar]

I mean dokuro was a really good artist, but i don't doubt that cdmusic will be just as good picking up where he left off

[cobalt heath]

yeah and yharims theme is such a hard one as the hype dokuro left is gonna be a pain

and charlie is a gd tuber too

ill be suprised if charlie doesnt burn out if he manages to make a spectacle like scal for example

[frail mantle]

charlie knows not to push himself

[frail mortar]

Ye

That's one of the reasons dokuro left

[frail mantle]

if he didn't Draedon's theme probably would've been finished by the time 1.5 released

[frail mortar]

Burned himself out too much and let the community get to him

[cobalt heath]

dokuro had mental issues and that added to the burn out

[frail mortar]

I honestly will never understand why some people try to rush developers or composers

[ruby plover]

yea.... its almost as if rushed content is almost always worse content? woah

[frail mortar]

Yep.

[cobalt heath]

and dokuro wanted to make the scal theme a theme to be remembered

and community just tried him to rush it

[frail mortar]

Mhm

[cobalt heath]

i wish his mental will get better i love his music

[frail mortar]

Ye

Dokuro needs to take time to himself first and foremost

Which is what he's doing

[cobalt heath]

yes

[frail mortar]

I don't care how long he decides to disappear for

As long as he comes back refreshed and better, that's what matters honestly

[cobalt heath]

but i do firmly think that his leaving from calamity isnt permanent but he wont ever be the same

like he will be here

not making music

[frail mortar]

Maybe, i don't think he'll compose the music though

[cobalt heath]

yes

[frail mortar]

But i do hope he at least comes back just to hang out

[cobalt heath]

just as a community legend

[frail mortar]

Ye

[cobalt heath]

anyways we off topic now

[frail mortar]

Oh well

[fleet igloo]

I mean that sugg isn't impossible to do, just that it's about upcoming content

Anyways is it fine to suggest a Ceaseless Void death animation

[crude geode]

It’s on the don’t list iirc to sugg boss death animations

(Mainly bc ceaseless void’s final sprite isn’t even fully conceptualized or being worked on, let alone the complexity of a death animation)

[cobalt heath]

most bosses dont even have death animations

is ml the only one even?

[frail mantle]

dog, prov and i think yharon are getting death animations next update

[cobalt heath]

nice

so the ones whit finished models

[frail mantle]

neither dog nor yharon have finished resprites

it's just that the death animations aren't based on the sprites, but rather done through code

[cobalt heath]

i meant they are being worked on and will prolly have when the d-animation comes

oh

didnt know

[fleet igloo]

how hard will I get murdered if I suggest that shadowspec be moved to post-AEW

[cobalt heath]

very hard

[frail mantle]

not too hard but the suggestion will be shot down, probably

[hushed jetty]

AEW is an optional superboss so locking the final tier behind him kinda makes him not optional

[frail mantle]

yes

[brittle pumice]

considering aew is designed to be a challenge with shadowspec gear

needing to kill it to get shadowspec would just be dumb

[austere cargo]

suggestion: make the final dawn only consume stealth when the attack happens, not in the windup

[exotic stag]

uh. no.

because stealth consumes on the click

[safe oasis]

why are you posting it in the discussion channel instead of the channel dedicated to posting suggestions

[austere cargo]

uh, should discussions be had before posting to the suggestion channel?

[exotic stag]

yes.

[austere cargo]

anyways, yeah, stealth is consumed on click

[exotic stag]

its to get feedback

[austere cargo]

would it be possible to have it be consumed on the attack?

[exotic stag]

that'd change most of stealth then. so uh

[austere cargo]

final dawn is weird in that clicking doesn't actually attack

[exotic stag]

your meant to hold click

[austere cargo]

yes, but if you happen to not hold click long enough, you lose the stealth and don't attack

which feels weird

[exotic stag]

yeah because you just threw yourself out in the open

"ah yep lemme bring out my giant glowing scythe no wait nvm its only one dude that just saw my giant glowing scythe"

[stiff wren]

Suggestion idea thingy: make the accessory reforge thingies follow a set order when reaching the highest tier
So like for example:
random tier 1 reforge --> random tier 2 reforge --> random tier 3 reforge --> warding --> menacing --> lucky --> quick --> whatever else comes next --> random tier 1 reforge and so on
This way the accessory reforges would be less of a scam

Djdjfnskjfjdjdjs does this sound uh decent

[exotic stag]

no because i think most people use autoreforge

but uh

that sounds like really stoopid confusing

[eternal escarp]

isnt the way it is now just

better

[stiff wren]

Im pretty sure that rn the accessory reforge stuff is the same as vanilla but without the weak things getting in the way

[exotic stag]

no

it slowly gives you better reforges until you hit the top 4 iirc.

[stiff wren]

Yeeeah

[exotic stag]

then it resets.

[stiff wren]

Huh

[exotic stag]

its basically like those "here your luck is slowly raising up till you hit the max. then get your reforge. then refresh"

[stiff wren]

Then if thats how it works uhhh

Is it possible to make it so that you dont get the same reforge more than once before it resets

So that like, you dont get the lucky reforge 3 times in a row

[grim tusk]

It used to be when the attack happened

However

!wiki venerated locket

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Venerated_Locket

[grim tusk]

That exploit was too fucking op

You just spam clicked and watched everything die in mere seconds

[exotic stag]

true.

and also i explained it

[small timber]

having it not consume stealth until attack will also be extremely op just from the perspective on stealth gain, because currently you cant regen stealth on windup

and (currently) final dawn is already extremely op even with that

[exotic stag]

^ because your using an attack anim

[austere cargo]

well if it's a balance thing then ok

[grim tusk]

@rough venture DoG in the (soon to be rewritten) lore only ate a humans, original Deus's corpse and Statis and Braelor of which we unfortunately not have much information on their abilities other than Deus but looooooong, stealthy ninja and a bunch of warriors.

Your reasoning is quite vague, and it feels like the suggestion is asking why? instead of answering why unlike your BoC sugg (also pretty sure that one is a 🛠️ already as it telefragging is extremely known at this point)

[half sage]

yea BOC teleporting farther from the player was in changelogs a long while ago

[drowsy plank]

to be fair we

somewhat have examples of "the gods" it ate

hence the sentinels

so im not even sure what the idea is here

[exotic stag]

the sentinels are followers.. i thought?

servants.

[drowsy plank]

they are but statis is a follower of what's his face uh

the hell one

[exotic stag]

signus

[drowsy plank]

yes thank you

and storm weaver is literally the same species as DoG

[west jackal]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

and ceaseless void is the spirit of hundreds of prisoners, the same people yharim would feed to DoG

so like

[west jackal]

no

That’s polter

[drowsy plank]

fuck what is void then

lemme double check

[west jackal]

Ceaseless is a void

[half sage]

just a black hole

[exotic stag]

ceaseless is just a reincarnation of a void

[half sage]

he s u c c

[sleek wadi]

Singularity in a bottle

[west jackal]

Made when experimenting with DoG portals and shit

[exotic stag]

i think were getting too much like #lore-discussion here

[drowsy plank]

either way, they display the powers of DoG already, so not really sure what this suggestion is asking for

[exotic stag]

basically parts of him. put into minions

[fossil finch]

@rough venture dog shares gravity-manipulation powers with deus

[crude geode]

And like that’s the only god it’s “devoured”

[novel belfry]

the only one we know of, that is

[small timber]

the suggestion lacks reasoning, and I am pretty sure this is considered high effort due to it either requiring resprite (for appearance to reflect what the suggestion want) or to add entirely new attack, and probably a few of them, in order to do what the suggestion wants

[hot zephyr]

DoG has an ego issue

[crude geode]

indeed

[unique vector]

i cant tell if i should exclaimation mark it

[small timber]

for now I think yes, it have 0 reasons

other than "give us lore accurate boss"

[west jackal]

DoG has an issue*

[novel belfry]

*DoG has an issues

[late elk]

So, if my suggestion is one of the most voted, the devs will see it?

I mean

Someday on this month they will check it so those suggestions will reach the devs

[unique vector]

you can read the pinned message here to see how suggestion delivery works!

[late elk]

Oh well

[late elk]

I see, thanks (i should've read the pins lol)

So 3 days left for my suggestion to be younger than 14 days

[violet dagger]

you can check what time for you the suggestion will be sent at

for me the suggestion wave happens at 10pm on thursdays

[cobalt heath]

okay i like the bot change, cause before it was so annoying to get anything trough if you didnt make a large discussion about it

and made it known

[fossil finch]

Lore accurate bosses (exo mechs just deathray you infinitely

Eoc just locks on you

Anyways about the latest sugg: lol

[hushed jetty]

how would making the health bars separate changed the difficulty in any way

[small timber]

the suggestor is probably afraid that people thought he want bosses to just have double hp

[tepid mantle]

Can height biom change for bosses always be applied? Even too big house make you out of biom. Because of this i can't buy rod if wizard lives at top of my house

It's like 50 blocks and you out of biom

[fossil finch]

Well yeah it's 50 blocks upwards lol

Block requirements could get lowered but that also can cause issues

I believe it's better to implement something that lets you work around these

[open dagger]

so, out of curiosity, have the devs mentioned anything about implementing post-moon lord whips into the game once the 1.4 update comes to tmodloader? my fav class is summoner and i’d love to do a run of the game without having to worry about the 50% damage penalty to minions when using weapons that belong to another class

[exotic stag]

they havent said anything because uh. were far from 1.4

like

farther then any mod should really be

because 1.4 porting is unstable right now and calamity needs to finish the current things before 1.4

[half sage]

there might be some but probably won't be a big focus on them as fab hates whips iirc

[small timber]

my prediction is that they either change how whip function or to heavily nerf whip overall, it is hard to balance another aspect of summoner (when their current balance is based on no whip)

[exotic stag]

and also make it somehow work

[small timber]

whip is basically just "hey lets give summoner a melee weapon for no reason" so I dont think anyone will miss them anyway

whip is ok in vanilla because summoner is just shit, but in calamity it is so unnecessary

[hushed jetty]

Replace whips with cooler active summons like igneous and virid vanguard iirc

[eternal escarp]

so based!

[scenic pine]

Isn't the point of malice mode to be really hard

And should be a rematch

When you try to fight a boss for the first time

You probably should do malice untill you beat that boss at least once

[stiff wren]

Yeah but theres the all problem of uh

All the malice stuff being moved to every other mode

In the next update

So malice mode will pretty much become a harder death mode

[scenic pine]

Wait

[stiff wren]

Since you would have no reason to redo the bosses

[scenic pine]

When did they say this?

[stiff wren]

Changelogs

[scenic pine]

Like im actually wondering

Ou yea

[exotic stag]

"148 - Malice items are no longer challenge drops/legendary challenge drops. - Done ✅
149 - Malice items now drop on all modes. I'm not going to go into detail on how each one is obtained, just be aware that they now drop on all modes. - Done ✅ "

[hushed jetty]

Malice stuff (except gael's) is not locked anymore

[scenic pine]

Just read it

[hushed jetty]

Same with expert stuff too

[scenic pine]

But

Why

[stiff wren]

Idk honestly

[hushed jetty]

because they realized locking stuff in higher difficulties isn't a good idea

[scenic pine]

I kinda liked the exclusive drops

[stiff wren]

Maybe its because people cried about it idk

[stiff wren]

Probably that

[exotic stag]

also expert things are going to be dropped on any mode too

they felt it was too "unfair for players"

[hushed jetty]

you can craft some of them now

[stiff wren]

Like death mode doesnt give exclusive weapons

[scenic pine]

Well

[stiff wren]

So why should malice do that

[hushed jetty]

like SHPC

[scenic pine]

Normal mode is easy as hell

So stuff like worm scarf

[exotic stag]

i mean death mode has item changes

[exotic stag]

"make the easiest mode easier."

[scenic pine]

Can literally get yo through the entire game in normal

[exotic stag]

when its already easy.

[scenic pine]

True

Yea

[exotic stag]

no one understood the expert change. everyone understood the malice change

[stiff wren]

Calamitas watching a normal mode kid with 7 accessory slots take out yharim's crystal

[exotic stag]

while the guy is just wearing 7 worm scarves

"I AM THE SCARF LORD"

oh god

[scenic pine]

Not possible

Sorry mate

[hushed jetty]

It's also funky how the difficulty mode makes it easier

because extra slot and awesome accs

[exotic stag]

wait a minute..

would that mean normal mode players get the extra 7th accessory slot?

[hushed jetty]

I don't know

[stiff wren]

At this point just merge normal end expert mode in one lmao

[exotic stag]

hmm.

[hushed jetty]

Ask fab or smbdy

[exotic stag]

remove normal just make expert the standard difficulty

[stiff wren]

Yeah

[exotic stag]

we really dont need normal.

[stiff wren]

Unironically a good idea

If thats even possible

[exotic stag]

cal is meant to be played on expert usually. its what 90% of the people do

[hushed jetty]

Except some people can't beat anything above normal

[stiff wren]

Or rev

[exotic stag]

cause your intended to have beaten expert on vanilla to do cal expert.

[crude geode]

God this is such a awful take

[exotic stag]

then they should go back and do vanilla expert..

[stiff wren]

Then why play the mod advertised as "YOO THIS SHIT IS HAAARD"

[hushed jetty]

Because they want to play the mod?

Cal isn't just a boss mod

[stiff wren]

Fair

[exotic stag]

its a mod to add difficulty. not a mod that you can just say "fuck vanilla i only want modded now"

[stiff wren]

Tbh with these new changes normal mode will just become "i want to experience the story" mode

[hushed jetty]

It's a mod that does a lot of shit

[crude geode]

(mfw weapons exist to have purposes other than above dps kill times on bosses)

[hushed jetty]

Trueñ

[fossil finch]

It's not even advertised like this and it never was lol

[hushed jetty]

Also like building is a huge part of the game

[fossil finch]

People built that cloud themselves

[hushed jetty]

And cal has some fucking banger blocks

[exotic stag]

yet only like 5 get used

[stiff wren]

Yeah

[hushed jetty]

Lab blocks my beloved

[stiff wren]

*advertised by the fans

[hushed jetty]

and next update there's exo blocks and acidwood, both look incredible

[stiff wren]

EXO BLOCKS?

[hushed jetty]

Yes

[stiff wren]

Man i should join the art server

[small timber]

for malice they should had just put the tag "Yo this shit is imbalanced good luck fighting it" and there will be no complain

[fossil finch]

The trongly

[stiff wren]

They did do that

[small timber]

they tried too hard making malice sounds like a balanced gamemdode

[fossil finch]

Should get exo bricks sprite here

[stiff wren]

Average palm wood furniture fan vs average acidwood furniture enjoyer

[exotic stag]

rainbow bath tub.

[small timber]

no what they put is "this thing is balanced but is extremely hard that you should only do them after you overgear them, but if you are good enough..."

[exotic stag]

yes

[stiff wren]

So yeh its not balanced

[exotic stag]

they said "you may do this on tier but it'd be really hard"

[stiff wren]

They just dont want to admit it

[crude geode]

Just uh delete malice mode

[stiff wren]

YES

PLEASE DELETE IT

[exotic stag]

delete every mode but rev.

[small timber]

yes, and that is the opposite of imbalance, because they are implying that it is really hard instead of being generally imbalance, which is actually what the mode is about

[stiff wren]

No

[fossil finch]

The exo blocking

[exotic stag]

force every player to play rev

[stiff wren]

Death mode should stay

[exotic stag]

where rainbow bathtub

[exotic stag]

nah just make death mode instantly kill you.

[small timber]

to overtune every single boss for the simple purpose of providing challenge

[stiff wren]

Dude i love this

[exotic stag]

because its death.

[fossil finch]

My opinion is that all of you have bad takes independently on whatever you said

[exotic stag]

also new sugg. uhh

[sleek turret]

ok so

[stiff wren]

My opinion is that everyone has shitty takes and im always right

[crude geode]

Opinions be opinionated, shockingly

[sleek turret]

if you could add more reasoning other than "i'd be cool" that'd be good for the sugg

[small timber]

@digital saddle statis ninja belt will be post-ML next patch

[fossil finch]

^

There's no point

[exotic stag]

and also post provi is just providences ram so like. unless you consider that an upgrade i dont really see it being "upgrade".

[stiff wren]

Better suggestion: delete the entire ninja belt line

Including shoe spikes

[fossil finch]

Now it's distinctly mng<ninja belt<void sash with ninja belt no longer being an instant upgrade

[hushed jetty]

epic!

I do hope they buffed it a little

They probably did

[exotic stag]

they probably did.

[small timber]

ninja belt line is an item that is designed for not getting hit that even no hitter dont use it (generally)

[stiff wren]

Shields will always be superior

[fossil finch]

@hushed jetty sorry for that misstap

[exotic stag]

ram does it better

[fossil finch]

Anyways i think they buffed it a little yea

[digital saddle]

i think both ninja belt and void sash are pretty meh upgrades that get by solely on the fact that a dodge is really good

[exotic stag]

belt should dash farther then rams. just sayin

[digital saddle]

i believe it is

already

[stiff wren]

Ram is better

[small timber]

ya they are meh, but I also could think of any way to buff them, other than just stats

[crude geode]

Ninja belt line is designed extremely rng in base game and then with the changes to rng bullshit is just really fucking underpowered compared to rams tbfh

[small timber]

I tried, but it end up just make ninja belt less ninja belt

[digital saddle]

well void sash used to give summoner/rogue boosts

but they removed that

[small timber]

I mean class specific boost on all class item is kinda meh

[crude geode]

^

[digital saddle]

i dont agree that the belts are bad

i just wish they were more interesting

[small timber]

they are not bad by any means, just that rams exist

[hushed jetty]

Pretty sure void sash dashes further than aegis

[stiff wren]

The belts arent bad
They are just worse than everything else in every stage they can be used in

[hushed jetty]

last I checked at least

[small timber]

it is just ram is unironically completely overpowered

[stiff wren]

Doesnt matter tbh

Ram is still better

[digital saddle]

dont agree
most of the time you dont need a ram for bosses

[exotic stag]

i mean

ram is always better

[stiff wren]

Many bosses can dash or jump on you

[hushed jetty]

I mean sash gives jump speed which is pretty funny

[stiff wren]

So yeh its useful

[crude geode]

not really “always”

[digital saddle]

people seriously underestimate how good a dodge is

[small timber]

it is not just ram, it is kb resist and immunity to many very annoying debuff (for exo you take 5 different debuff without aegis, with aegis you deal with 2)

[crude geode]

That’s hella a over generalization

[exotic stag]

hail.

[sleek turret]

ram is always funnier because you can basically ignore contact damage with it most of the time

[digital saddle]

keep you from dropping adren

[fossil finch]

Is this convo going somewhere

[sleek turret]

no

[crude geode]

No

[exotic stag]

^^^ truer

also most bosses are aerial anyway. so your more likely to be flying then jumping

[stiff wren]

Ram is a belt dodge but without a cooldown

[fossil finch]

You're forgetting jumspeed makes you fly faster

[stiff wren]

No

[sleek turret]

when did ramming into a boss became a skill involved mechanic

you just

[exotic stag]

double tap a key

and thas it

[sleek turret]

double tap a/d and ignore damage

[stiff wren]

Eh theres some timing and thats it

The end

[exotic stag]

thats with also statis.

[small timber]

that is the problem actually, now that mng is post plantera and next upgrade is post-ML, I never find myself in need of jump speed in post-ML

[stiff wren]

Yeah but statis has a cooldown

[small timber]

lunar wings are good enough (and your first real boss is providence which jump speed dont really matter)

[exotic stag]

statis is more skill then ram then.

[stiff wren]

Ill change my statement

Edited

[exotic stag]

because you'd have to time your dash

[stiff wren]

Im wrong

Skill issue

[sleek turret]

yes because it's essentially the dash and probably other funny features that mostly they don't matter unless it's some special damafge effect or something idk

[stiff wren]

Both have equal skill but ram can be used more often

[exotic stag]

no thats still wrong.

[stiff wren]

They reduced the cooldown?

[exotic stag]

no

ram has less skill because you can spam it.

[sleek turret]

ram is used because probably people want their funnt debuff immunity

[exotic stag]

statis requires more skill then ram because you'd have to time your dashes.

[crude geode]

^

[exotic stag]

also KB immunity is good

[sleek turret]

considering the entire aegis line has like a ton of debuff immunities + kb immunity

[crude geode]

Anyways can this move to #calamity-mod-talk

[sleek turret]

probably

[stiff wren]

Spam leaves you vulnerable for a bit

[stiff wren]

Pain

[crude geode]

Unless one of you wants to sugg a buff or Nerf or smthn

[stiff wren]

Uhhhhh

[sleek turret]

no

[exotic stag]

i mean right now statis belt vs aegis is kinda just

"debuff immunity is better then whatever else statis has"

[digital saddle]

simply dont get hit

next

[exotic stag]

that should not be applied to basegame

nohits /=/ be applied to suggs

cause nohits are challenges for you. we shouldnt apply challenge runs to here

[hushed jetty]

Debuff and kb immunity, regen, a shit ton of defense

[stiff wren]

If nohitters decided how to balance the mod then we would all be fucked

[exotic stag]

^^^

[small timber]

step 1: remove life crystal

[exotic stag]

NEVER write suggs based upon: Nohitting, Other challenge runs unless the mod specifically has one INSIDE it and never write suggs based upon single person preference when buffing items

[stiff wren]

Step 2: remove wings

[cobalt pewter]

I still want Tabi dashes to have anything more unique in cal than "hehe fart dash far"

[exotic stag]

basically this

[cobalt pewter]

Void Sash is trying to do that but it ended up kinda ech???

[stiff wren]

We should balance everything around maid mode tbh

[cobalt pewter]

wings is fundamentally broken, so I'd agree with this unironically

[exotic stag]

no

[stiff wren]

Remove life crystals, remove wings, remove health and regen pots

[hushed jetty]

Terraria becomes HK

[stiff wren]

Remove all accessories other than sandstorn in a balloon and frog leg

[exotic stag]

we should balance the game around rev. which is calamities average difficulty. we can go and do the other stuff if the sugg specifically implies on this mode or its talking about a mode specific function

[small timber]

and add in game taunt where everytime you die a 1000 font size "haha skill issue" appear at the middle of the screen

[stiff wren]

i know im just joking lol

[hushed jetty]

It's already balanced around rev smh

[stiff wren]

I said "balanced by nohitters" not "balanced exclusively by fabsol"

[small timber]

balancing around rev is fine, I just don't like the fact that they specifically disregard adrenaline nerf adrenaline suggestion no.3

[stiff wren]

Wait adrenaline is broken or something?

[exotic stag]

adren is just "nohitters having a field day"

[stiff wren]

Tbh i dont see a problem with adren

Like it rewards you for dodging

[crude geode]

It’s probably broken or something if you’re a no hitter who constantly searches for ways to break this game

[small timber]

almost all pre-HM bosses can be killed in a single adrenaline (if you wait 30 sec then burst the 5 sec from 100% to 0%), half of HM bosses take more than 35% on 1 adrenaline

[stiff wren]

Isnt cheesing not allowed in nohits anyway?

[crude geode]

“Technically yes” iirc

[small timber]

and I tested using ranger which is supposed to be the more "tame class" (and I didnt use star cannon or coin gun)

[exotic stag]

also adrenaline is caused by stress. what Stressful part of a boss is nohitting?

[stiff wren]

Nohitting in general

[exotic stag]

imo rework adren to be when near boss you gain adrenaline because your stressed from bein fuckin near it.

[stiff wren]

Is stressful

[exotic stag]

nohit bad

[stiff wren]

Yes

[crude geode]

So rage

[stiff wren]

True melee players when

[crude geode]

Anyways again

[exotic stag]

aint rage on hit?

[crude geode]

^^^

[stiff wren]

No

Its on hit AND proximity

[exotic stag]

i was going off of the google definition of adrenaline. which is caused by stress

[hushed jetty]

That was old rage

Mfw haven't even played 1.5 to know that already exists

[stiff wren]

Anyway new suggestion
Make adrenaline charge by staying near a boss without getting hit, then once its charged the player has 5 seconds to go away or use it, if the time runs out out then the player gets the "cardiac arrest" debuff that paralyzes and then fucking kills you

[exotic stag]

i played it once and never touched it again

[crude geode]

Bruh

[exotic stag]

not that it was bad i just got bored of terraria

[crude geode]

Anyways go back to other channel

[fossil finch]

That sounds stupid

[stiff wren]

Yeeeeah

[hushed jetty]

Oh boy I sure do love not paying attention and randomly dying

[stiff wren]

I was just making a dumber version of the "make adren charge by proximity" thing

[stiff wren]

Fair and balanced tm

[unique vector]

i hope this is satire

[exotic stag]

no is totally not satire real not satire

[spare harbor]

I honestly, would maybe like to see a Wulfrum early-game boss lol,

They are cool but we dont know or have anything about them

[cobalt pewter]

no

John Wulfrum is a figment of your imagination

(also you can't sugg bosses)

[spare harbor]

Ok

Sorry

[inner lark]

Is this a good suggestion?:
Allow Signus to spawn in the hallow at night time

It makes it consistent with the wiki lore as it says that none are closer to finding providence than it. Since it already has one of the providence spawn locations, having the other makes it more accurate

[exotic stag]

ehh disagree

[cobalt pewter]

lore as a reason might be hard considering lore bad and lore might be reworked

[exotic stag]

^

lore is being reworked and also

ONE of the spawns.

i dont think signus would know provi spawns in hallow. since he literally only browses hell. the entirety ofi t

[cobalt pewter]

that said, sentinels have 1 specific biomes they can spawn in, Signus being able to spawn in 2 is kinda

eh?

[exotic stag]

also i want to point this out rq

[cobalt pewter]

and by technicality, the sentinels cover most layers of the world

[exotic stag]

each sentinel is a layer of the world

space = storm weaver
the middle = ceaseless (dungeon ech)
hell = signus

they cover all 3 parts of the world

[cobalt pewter]

there's 0 reason for CV to be stuck in the Dungeon

[exotic stag]

i mean unless hes sucking polter up

i dont see why he should be there

[cobalt pewter]

it can just be an underground / cavern thing and literally no one will bat an eye

[exotic stag]

and it also makes it easier

[stiff wren]

Next time im going to add a /s just to make sure

That people dont take it seriously

[exotic stag]

@marble bone first of all: which difficulty second: which mech

[violet dagger]

one of the suggestions of all time

[exotic stag]

and also

[marble bone]

all

[exotic stag]

moonlord has more base hp then literally all the mechs

the three eyes + core

also health isnt all to base a boss off of

[violet dagger]

what difficulty are you playing on also

[exotic stag]

because you'd have to count the fact moonlord keeps all his eyes even when they die.

so you'd have to fight 6 eyes

in rev were assuming

[marble bone]

mechs are beatdown bots

[exotic stag]

no..

the mechs each are designed in ways to make the player decide their next move carefull

carefully

destroyer requires precision to avoid his laser spam and avoidance of mass amounts of probes

twins requires patience to avoid the lasers and flames and such

and prime requires persistence to take down each of his hands so that they are less deadly.

anyway @marble bone what difficulty were you on

[marble bone]

xbert

[exotic stag]

also are you doing mecha mayhem or individually

[marble bone]

no, destroyer circles you and laser spams, twins dash you to death and prime just attacks to hard in the spin

[fossil finch]

@fleet bobcat both of those are related to draedon's old technology: exo's are his absolute peak made with completely different materials, it doesn't make any sense for them to drop either

[marble bone]

individ

[fleet bobcat]

i see

[fleet bobcat]

use a giant hoik

[exotic stag]

this is just

entirely wrong

[marble bone]

What about nonhikers

[fossil finch]

Also, you're wrong, pbg, aureus and og mechs don't drop them

[fleet bobcat]

gitgud

[exotic stag]

ender. you mind explaining to jungle about his sugg

i gotta go do something

[fossil finch]

bro what can i say aside "what, no, what"

[violet dagger]

wasn't dog's armor also made by draedon

[exotic stag]

i guess prove the points i said earlier? i guess?

idfk i just have to go

[fleet bobcat]

yes but out of a cosmic material

[fossil finch]

Mechs are in no way "too hard for anyone to handle" and their health also isn't a problem

[fleet bobcat]

DoG itself isn't a dreadon creation

[fossil finch]

I beat fucking twins with lionfish, ice stars and enchanted axe in 3 minutes

[fleet bobcat]

lol

[shy galleon]

ive had quite a few walls in hardmode, safe to say the mechs were not one of those walls

obviously thats very subjective but like stuff like fishron in rev+ game me a much harder time

[gray nebula]

dubious plating.. dubious

[fossil finch]

Nooo iban

[violet dagger]

when the plating is dubious

[exotic stag]

when the plating is

rusted

[small timber]

I dont like to use this word, but the fact that you are on expert (claiming bosses impossible) and people are beating it on malice, unless you are doing no accessory no armor challenge, all I can say is skill issue and git gud

A boss being hard is different from "impossible"

[crude geode]

all I can say is skill issue and git gud
you could also not say that and instead say something far more constructive, such as a lack of experience or practice can lead to difficulties with bosses

[exotic stag]

well

[ashen warren]

or simply

[exotic stag]

we kinda did that.

already

xpc just put the short and simple

[ashen warren]

turn down the difficulty or stop complaining

[exotic stag]

(or also. use cheat sheet if your that struggling)

[small timber]

Then I will make it more constructive:
(Assuming the new hardmode ore progression)

Get full Quick, use jump speed accessory (like aerostone and frog leg) paired with white balloon, get Rod of Discord from Wizard (by putting him in Hallow), wings (Angel Wing for first mech), most importantly get potions (particularly Cadence potion, Swiftness potion and Yharim Stimulant), use Slime Mount. Optionally if you have money, make a "Fabsol's Vodka" and put it in inventory, an NPC will come later (Drunk Princess), she sell candles which are stationary buff with powerful effect

Challenge twins first because they are the one that requires the least hard gear requirement to beat (as in you dont need massive dps/defense), the gear suggested above you should be able to completely outspeed Twins in all phase in Expert, just becareful not to fly into the space (slime mount is useful for dropping down)

Challenge Destroyer 2nd, he is the boss with the most gear requirement but fighting him 2nd make him have slightly worse stat, you have a lot of upgrade after first mech down (mythril anvil) but if you want to stick with vanilla just go for Daedalus Stormbown and Holy Arrow and upgrade wings. The strategy is simple: always run away from Destroyer, press tab to make the map full screen size take a while to get used to but is incredibly helpful. If you feel Destroyer is too fast just remember flying up is faster than horizontally walking. Your only goal is to NOT get hit by the head, you can tank his other attack. If you are coiled use Rod of Discord to get out. Clear the probes first before killing Destroyer because you will get overwhelmed. Use obsidian potion if lasers are burning you.

Fight Skeletron Prime last. As long as you are moving away from him you should be in no problem (daedalus armor are good). Homing weapon is recommended if you are struggling with hitting hands.

I think this is the most I can make without becoming "dodge this move by doing this"

[crude geode]

need a tester for this sugg

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-spiritus-summon-vintage-fountain-pen-gif-22872604

uhhh

@pastel crow probably

[ruby plover]

i will admit i have done a melee pt relatively recently and the (good) melee choices at that stage are a bit lacking (as in there aren't many)

HOWEVER probably should be noted i wasn't considering true melee

[pastel crow]

huh

[ruby plover]

oh yeah avalanche is REAL good

you can take off 40% of desty's hp (first mech) with a few seconds of swinging

[grave zinc]

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[cobalt pewter]

the moment of the week

[grave zinc]

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[violet dagger]

my favorite part of every week

suggestion sending time

[safe oasis]

i feel like these messages are better sent to dms

[inland saddle]

They’re purposefully sent here so everyone can see which Suggs got forwarded and everyone can be updated

[stiff wren]

The mechs are designed in ways to make the player decide carefully
Destroyer requires running and circling
The twins require running and circling
And prime requires running and circling

[hollow shell]

@outer root "Rebalance" would probably be a better word than "Rework" for this sugg

[grave zinc]

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[Readd Underworld Shrine (With Different Loot That Is Not Murasama)]

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[cobalt pewter]

hm?

[small timber]

I think they have plan on changing how shrines work next patch

if I recall, at least mentioned

[frail mantle]

i wonder what that means

[cobalt pewter]

good

[crude geode]

@abstract violet so retier a necklace made out of a specific mob's teeth that you craft via drops from the mob?

[abstract violet]

That was more of a secondary reason

[small timber]

I think the first part of retiering it to pre-ML do not make any sense (unless they add another necklace in the upgrade tree)

because then the accessory ends as a pre-ML accessory and thats it

and the armor pen might seem tiny but according to beta tester by buffing the armor pen they suddenly multiply dps (and they are planning to buff the %damage component I heard)

and also the downside part (like the initial version of RTN which halves your defense) is intentionally removed so I don't know how likely they will reintroduce it

[cobalt pewter]

@abstract violet no need for specifics

[small timber]

I think you can refer to this

since they denied the armor pen buff, I highly doubt they gonna give it something like DR ignore which is arguably even more powerful on most weapon (than just weapon that hit a lot)

[abstract violet]

really?

[abstract violet]

Hmm.

[cobalt pewter]

specifics as in

those values

[small timber]

make your reason as detailed as possible, specifics like values are usually don't go too detail

you can mention what you want, just try not to go into exact value thats about it (like you may say "make RTN partially ignore DR but nerf your hp and defense", but not "RTN should ignore exactly 15% DR, nerf your HP by 20% and defense by 30%")

[frail mantle]

elaborate on the why, not the what

[abstract violet]

alr

[hushed jetty]

It's 15 penetration for every hit you do

[frail mantle]

the devs can decide the what but the why is needed so they know what the what should be

[hushed jetty]

And all if not most weapons at that stage of the game hit like 30 times per second

[blissful osprey]

OH MY GOSH :D

[fossil finch]

The unlightened masses

[small timber]

the main reason it is made the current way it is is to make sure that the player do not accidently toggle any difficulty

[cobalt pewter]

@fresh flume defiled is going away. That said, it's an interesting idea for sure, just needs to account for difficulty descriptions

and accidental activations ye

[small timber]

and don't argue about "add config to make it not-clickable", adding config is cringe

(also it probably will be super difficulty for new player to know what the difficulty does without adding a new UI so ya there is also that)

[fresh flume]

I eddited the my suggestion, ty guys

[small timber]

I still think it can be abit too clunky, since with the current difficulty (yes it is also clunky), but you are extremely sure what you expect and what you want when you are turning on a difficulty

player rarely switch difficulty anyway (especially with next patch where malice is just pure difficulty increase and no item)

[cobalt pewter]

I think having a single item that plops the difficulty indicator as clickable buttons could be neat (or something like astral arcanum)

[small timber]

ya a single item make much more sense

[fresh flume]

Mhh i do think the more casual player(me) switches quite often. Death revengence, armageddon just for fun, malice when you go back a couple of bosses just to get an item

[small timber]

instead of just by default always accessible

[cobalt pewter]

so the toggles are still centralized while the item serves as a tooltip base for diffs

[fresh flume]

edited it, i like that to

[eternal escarp]

isnt Armageddon also, removed

[small timber]

@fresh flume split title from the body (reason) of your suggestion (you can refer to other suggestion you see above)

no need to address anyone in your suggestion (SSSS-256 "Loki" for idea etc)

saying only what you want is enough

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[small timber]

what is the third one again? rev/death, malice and?

[eternal escarp]

thats it

[small timber]

for difficulty indicator

[eternal escarp]

well its arma currently

but next update i think itll just be those three assuming the indicator is to stay the same way with its 3 slots

[small timber]

so probably rev and death and malice

[eternal escarp]

unless Expert is going to be one

[stiff wren]

The most challenging difficulty mode

[outer root]

tru

[pulsar marlin]

Will the Difficulty Indicator UI going to be removed in the next update?

[frail mantle]

no

[digital saddle]

the most recent idea is really good

in #suggestions-posting

wrt the nerf mechs sugg i havent had a very hard time with them

prime can be a pain but other than that

[pulsar marlin]

Oh yeah, forgot to say that Fabsol is changing some bosses health for balance

[exotic stag]

yes..

[unique vector]

@desert root thats a bug report not a suggestion lmao

bring it to #bugs-read-pins

[exotic stag]

and yet its also an mp issue iirc

[desert root]

it seems like a fricking mechanic

[exotic stag]

no

[unique vector]

well its not

[exotic stag]

its a bug with malice and mp

malice singleplayer does that and mp always does that

[unique vector]

why would it be a mechanic

[exotic stag]

just has a chance to happen

[unique vector]

🤨

[desert root]

good point ;-;

im gonna go put it in bugs

[exotic stag]

its already like known

and working on being fixed iirc

[violet dagger]

when the formatting issue

[exotic stag]

too big i think

[grim tusk]

why does the 🗜️ not go away?

[violet dagger]

now it did

[grim tusk]

I've posted stuff longer than this

[exotic stag]

there it got removed

[grim tusk]

4th time is the charm?

[unique vector]

it checks for a newline

afaik thats the only requirement lol

[distant gyro]

ozz had an idea that momentum capacitor works like burden breaker but less extreme

cut ties to rogue entirely, all movement

[grim tusk]

thats an even better idea than what I thought

As if you want projectile speed for rogue just use feather crown line, glove of precision or boosters

[gray nebula]

too much text didnt read

[unique vector]

same

[exotic stag]

same

[grim tusk]

who cares about reading just ⭐ the sugg so that this iteration of capacitor dies

[digital saddle]

projectile speed accs just generally arent very exciting to me because as a big rogue player i dont think ive ever had a problem with "this moves too slow"

maybe like, supernova and thats it

[grim tusk]

same

the main reason I occasionally use blunder booster is for the dash
glove of precision is big stat gain
feather crown is kinda eh but synergizes very well with multi projectile stealth strikes and helps you hit Infernum QB
Moonstone crown is yet another more projectiles accs, however theres no reason to use more projectile accs that arent electrician's glove or ethereal exhorter due to those 2 being busted as fuck

[crude geode]

Same

[cobalt pewter]

sure

[river glen]

what about a suggestion to have the reach potential of some weapons be increased

weapons like ice sickle, chain guillotine, bananarang, and most vaniilla weapons and some calamity weapons have a very tough time reaching bosses... it makes sense to increase the potential range they have as they are simply to risky for something at that point

where unless you go all in on movement you are never getting conisstent dps at all

[exotic stag]

and all in movement kinda hurts because your not doing the maximum dps

[river glen]

ik

i never mentioned its a good build

[gray nebula]

Cringe Ass sugg..

cringe Ass.. as fuck

[crude geode]

Big agree unironically

[gray nebula]

its a MELEE weapon bro.. a MELEE weapon..

[crude geode]

also like not everything is about bosses

[gray nebula]

don't make it have longer reaching projectiles... make it MOVE YOU towards the enemy instead

🙄

[cobalt pewter]

we need to nerf wings again, clearly

[gray nebula]

i stg.. ppl not seeing the obvious solution and being too focused on what already exists (cringe..

[ashen warren]

[gray nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/809879927678959676/944284717170176041/BoTD.gif

no way spirit spoiler that got posted in other mod talk like some hours ago

[river glen]

i never pointed anything out about true mlee did i

like projectile melee weapons suck 90% of the time at this stage of the game

[crude geode]

It’s because melee users are used to be spoonfed and can’t handle not having twenty viable weapons at a tier (early hardmode lo)

[river glen]

ok... i never mentioned anything about true melee

true melee ik that

big burst damage if u can get in.... sure ill take that

projectile melee weapons just are way to inconsistent to

[gray nebula]

ok? and? ok and? ok and? ok and?

projectile melee shouldnt exist

[river glen]

but it does? what is ur point?

[gray nebula]

i heavily enjoy projectile melee having a short range cuz its the way it should be

don't ask to make it less melee

[river glen]

if that is the case then make every single projectile melee into true mlee

[gray nebula]

if you want to have more range.. play ranger

[gray nebula]

so true

or at least make the projectiles not reach far

[crude geode]

also gonna point out this

[gray nebula]

cuz if your "melee" weapon's main damage is dealt by a projectile that has like 2 screens of reach its not really melee

[river glen]

i never said the main focus was range to

projectile speed is also one thing i mentioned

[gray nebula]

i mean

a projectile moving faster will travel longer

= more range

[exotic stag]

yeah but

[gray nebula]

same goes for more lifespan

[exotic stag]

whats a weapon like ice sickle if it cant hit anything anyway

[gray nebula]

a projectile existing for longer = has more time to go out farther

[crude geode]

Calamity players when a weapon doesn’t reach above the “kill time” on a boss
this is so fucking cringe omg please buff it

[exotic stag]

if your going to be in range of an enemy with ice sickle.. just use another melee that already covers it

because most melees cover it anyway

[ashen warren]

very constructive

[river glen]

fine then.... ill remove the range part

but some weapons are still absolute shit

ice sickle doesnt reach well

[exotic stag]

ice sickle
ice sickle is genuinely useless

[river glen]

nor does a weapon like frostbrand do enough to rward you

[gray nebula]

then ask for the damage to be buffed to make it more worth getting close

ggez

[exotic stag]

iban.

[cobalt pewter]

this would've been agreaable if cal doesn't put a massive emphasis on bosses in the first place

[exotic stag]

the damage being buffed doesnt help it in the slightest

because even if it had a damage buff

[cobalt pewter]

wings play a part, the game being a boss rush plays a part

etc etc etc

[exotic stag]

ALL the other melee weapons on ice sickles tier

do it way better

[gray nebula]

ok

[ashen warren]

if a weapon is bad against bosses, the fact is itll be bad against other stuff

[gray nebula]

i couldnt care less

about ice sickle

lol?

[exotic stag]

then delete it

[cobalt pewter]

that's not always true but ok

[crude geode]

Blast Barrel

[gray nebula]

its from vanilla i don' think we can

[exotic stag]

save us some stuff

[crude geode]

[exotic stag]

ask relogic to delete it

ta da

problem solved

[river glen]

just move it to pre hardmode ez

[ashen warren]

which is a weapon designed for multi target and does good against those bosses, like destroyer

[gray nebula]

fake as fuck.. if u got like a short range weapon vs clone who's anchored far away from you you'l lget a lot less worth from a melee weapon

compared to like

vs an event

[cobalt pewter]

this isn't going anywhwe, bleh

[gray nebula]

^^

true

[exotic stag]

move ice mimics to pre hardmode and only make them drop ice sickle. make a hardmode ice mimic that literally drops the other weapons

ta da

idea

[hushed jetty]

Blast barrel is pretty darn good

you just need a 2 deep hole to throw the barrel in so it bounces around and unleashes fiery hell on everything

[unique vector]

average suggs disc talking about melee's quirky identity

[grim tusk]

blast barrel

complete garbage on bosses but on events and for fodder its quite good

[hot zephyr]

True Caustic Edge: Am I a joke to you?

[grim tusk]

Frostcrunch valari