suggestions-discussion

[distant gyro]

waiting for a suggestion in limbo is like waiting for nothing

[unique vector]

🤨

[inner lark]

Oh fair point

I just want something to happen so I dont have to vibe anymore

[spare prawn]

i don't care if the seafood sug is a SIS

its cool as hell

[gray nebula]

awesome

so awesome

do you think the dead girl or smth i didnt read the thing was like, the imposter among us

[warped field]

I've made a suggestion before, but this one is about a weapon rebalance, and it says to avoid that in the docs and to just talk about it here. Should I, then?

[gray nebula]

@unique vector delete ty ty

[unique vector]

@ashen warren weirdchamp

dont post random copypastas

[unique vector]

you usually ask people around here if they also agree it needs a rebalance

then you can suggest it

[warped field]

Ah, ok. I just felt like Space Gun is really easy to get and nullifies the need for, like, half of pre hardmode's magic items, so I was thinking about discussing changing the space armor to affect more than just the gun, or maybe to nerf the gun itself to add incentive to use other weapons.

[lucid flare]

wasn't a nerf to the spacegun already made ot was that vanilla terraria

[warped field]

It was, but it still wasn't very significant

[crude geode]

it was nerfed to halve the mana usage of space gun

personally I think space gun is balanced by the fact it's boring af

[warped field]

Yeah, true, that's why it should be worse so there's incentive to use the not boring weapons.

It's pretty much just too good to pass up, but there are so many other interesting weapons.

[exotic stag]

"too good" me when bee gun.

[fossil finch]

Simply don't metaslave

[crude geode]

^^^^

[warped field]

Metaslave?

[fossil finch]

One always has the option to pass up things after all

[exotic stag]

basically

metaslave = only using meta items

[fossil finch]

if it needs a nerf or not is debatable
And it's not a debate that will go anywhere until someone pulls idk perfs space gun kill time compared to other on tier options

[warped field]

I don't even look at metas or anything, I just play the game and notice that space gun is just obviously better than the other things. Like, I don't have this problem with other classes and their weapons most of the time.

I've played for a while, and generally I can use different weapons every time.

[exotic stag]

sure

jk i cant because mrplagues stoopid races.

[warped field]

Like, when I play melee or ranged, it feels like I could go three runs in a row using different weapons without always going for one, but then I feel like I always use space gun for magic because it's downright better. I mean, if no one else thinks it should be nerfed, idc, but I feel like there are a few weapons that can't really shine past it.

Then again, space gun superiority only lasts until you get, like, aerialite, so maybe it's not a huge issue.

Honestly, I just wanted to use, like, Aquatic Scourge magic weapon and the flaming pumpkins and the sunken sea stuff, tbh.

They look fun.

But I can't without being like, "Space gun is simply better."

Maybe if they made meteorite only mineable post EoC?

Thoughts?

[unborn siren]

I never found space gun to be that good in calamity

Vilethorn and Crimson rod shred DS, Mana rose is great for single targets, and there are just a lot of cool weapons that perform better than space gun when used right

[warped field]

I suppose I can't really argue with you, though Mana Rose and Vilethorn are more mana intensive. Also, Crimson Rod feels more like a side weapon.

And the other weapons that outperform space gun are way harder to get, though.

[exotic stag]

@worn jungle future content sugg. check pins

[grim tusk]

Pre-hm has a lot of non-linearity and progression skipping, if you feel that meteorite stuff, and goblin army stuff is too busted pre-Evil 1 don’t use it

[hollow shell]

@naive mica ???
Doesn't Polterghast yknow
shoot at you
and do dashes in its third phase?

[naive mica]

besides that

idk i just thought maybe to get rid of that strat if its unwanted; personally, i dont cheese, so i didnt know that was a strat

[hollow shell]

Can you or Hal send a video of this strat in effect?

I won't believe it until I see it

[naive mica]

i havent done it; ill ask hal if he feels like it

i dont really feel like recording rn and hal cant so ig u can do it for yourself if u want to

"Just tell him to dash out of the way after they both click"-Hal

[hollow shell]

I assume there's a bit more nuance than literally standing in one place-

yeah

Otherwise you would just be constantly taking hits all the time

from the bullets

and dashes

[naive mica]

yeah ur right i shouldnta posted that

i havent played calamity in too long💀

community is great here tho so i like being here

[small timber]

That is literally the way to dodge the attack not a "cheese", because it predicts therefore the only reliable way to dodge the attack is to stand still and dash at the right time

[dapper coral]

if this is true then honestly i think it would be fine to keep it in the game lol
if people are coming up with this strat which is fairly unique as far as boss fights go, then i dont think its a bad thing

[small timber]

It is like saying that scal horizontal brimstone hellblast should punish you if you fly up/down

[hollow shell]

Fab and the other testers would hate this strat though

[naive mica]

i havent played calamity in a lon time sorry

[dapper coral]

so true

[naive mica]

u know fab?

[hollow shell]

Yes I am a dev

[naive mica]

did u make the music u posted on youtube? or was that DM (i think it was acid rain)

[dapper coral]

tbh my personal opinion on these things is not to constrict the player into 1 way to fight the boss, we dont need to add countermeasures for every non-"accepted" way to fight

[hollow shell]

I made the two themes on my channel yeah

[dapper coral]

(plus i also just find this really funny as a strat)

[naive mica]

yeah, sorry, i dont know how 'cheesy' this strat is or if its any good, i just recently heard of it from hal

ill del my post rq

[small timber]

Real cheese is something like sandstorm jump to have post-ML MS to offscreen the boss, the polterghast stand still is just a strat not really a cheese (you can still dodge it without standing still, just have to be even more precise)

Because you always have the option to valor dash into the real polter if you cant stand still (eg: in air)

[exotic stag]

or the old cheese of DS platform.

[dapper coral]

yeah it ain't cheese for sure, you still have to dodge all the dashes and have good timing and whatnot while you're standing still

[exotic stag]

i kinda like the linearity of post moonlord. its pretty much the endgame point. what would be the point if you could just say "hmm most of these endgame bosses? nah les just fight the main 2"

[small timber]

Ya I like it too, but sometimes pre-ML to dragon folly to yharon to exo/scal can be an interesting challenge

[brittle pumice]

i do feel like maybe letting you fight provi dog and yharon out of order would be good but having the final bosses locked behind those 3 makes sense honestly

[small timber]

It make sense considering their difficulty, it dont make sense considering how early you technically have access to them (auric bar, but requiring pickaxe and anvil)

For comparison it will be similar to beating pillar dont spawn moon lord and cultist dont drop ancient manipulator, and ancient manipulator must be crafted from hallowed bars (mechs), life alloy (plantera, golem) + cultist material (assuming ravager dont exist)

[fossil finch]

Exos already do not require full codebreaker

you only need computer and quantum cell

Anyways i do not believe this is good tbh

Non linearity at this point is an unhealthy obsession and it's barely benefitial

It's kinda already a problem if it has to be forced down your throat with weird changes rather than coming naturally but

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[half sage]

but don't you need to get each part to unlock the schematics for the next part, thus meaning you need all the computer parts to unlock auric quantum cell

[exotic stag]

nope

you can cheat it

literally

[fossil finch]

Quantum does not have said requirement

You do not need any previous schematics for it

it is, whoever, still required to beat provi and dog because quantum requires auric bars anyway

Byeah I'm in not way onboard on letting you fight fucking yharim pre ml because of a very artificial non linearity

[small timber]

ok I am unaware that the code breaker dont have to be complete, but ya quantum still require DoG anyway aside from auric bar (endothermic energy)

[weary light]

there's no manual download file for the music mod is there?

[small timber]

tbh most people are not insane enough to fight exo/scal pre-ML and post yharon even if it is an option, the suggestion is just to make it a potential option (considering they do allow you to fight non-final post-ML boss in any order)

[fossil finch]

I believe there is

[exotic stag]

there is iirc

[exotic stag]

navis.

[fossil finch]

A potential option that nobody but 3 people will do once and then forget forever

That's kinda my problem

[exotic stag]

navis.

[weary light]

Where? I dont see it on the github

[exotic stag]

check the tml mirror

[fossil finch]

There's another github

Also yeah the mirror exists

[weary light]

tml mirror?

[fossil finch]

Yes

[weary light]

where's that

[fossil finch]

Check the pins in #other-mod-talk

[small timber]

ya I think I will remove the suggestion, it is super debatable whether it is viable at all considering the jump in gear between each boss (and tbh I just thought it is a fun challenge but fun is not a solid reason)

[weary light]

and the mirror wont load

[small timber]

I guess if people want to do it they can just cheat sheet the auric quantum cell and altar and do it that way

[exotic stag]

navis.

[fossil finch]

If someone's doing it solely for the point of challenge imo yea

[small timber]

the only point of the change will be solely for challenge ya

like pre-boss aquatic scourge

[fossil finch]

Slam slam slam slam slam

[exotic stag]

WHY

YOU ALREADY HAVE MOST TOOLS

BLOSSOM ALREADY COVERS SPEED

[small timber]

nah blossom is not fast enough (in fact currently calamity need more post-ML mining speed), but upgrading drill containment unit is definitely NOT the way

it already has one of the highest cost crafting recipe in the game, making it have upgrade is way overkill, they just have to make it scale with pickaxe power like onyx excavator key

[exotic stag]

like everything covers mining speed

[cobalt pewter]

honestly yea

p90 with rubber mortar rounds deal more damage to the environment that global warming shivers in fear

[gray nebula]

Add more postML picks

.

[exotic stag]

just use iban as a pickaxe.

[gray nebula]

And also make crystyl crusher throw out an excavation magic orb instead of a laser cuz lasers are terrible and they can look jank sometimes idk

[cobalt pewter]

iban pickaxe would clutter the screen with cosmetics too much before it can pick a dirt block

[small timber]

magic orb can be super uncontrollable, particularly distance

[cobalt pewter]

[small timber]

unless they make distance scale with cursor location

[exotic stag]

tf2 short circuit but it absorbs blocks

[brittle pumice]

crystyl crusher would be so much better if the whole beam broke blocks instead of like a 10 tile aoe around the cursor

[exotic stag]

just make it a short circuit

[cobalt pewter]

dog revamp when

dog really feeling like the weakest worm boss in the game

[drowsy plank]

i mean it used to but that was removed... not really sure why tbh lmao

[violet dagger]

close desert scourge exists

[earnest ether]

Yeah, I really want DoG to feel like a Devourer of Gods

[violet dagger]

another dog resprite is planned so around then would probably be a good time to rework him

[grim tusk]

Astral pick is faster :lo:

[small timber]

ya blossom is absurdly slow for some reason

[grave zinc]

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[Move evil islands down a bit]

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[fix thanatos' eyes]

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[Remove Adult Eidolon Wyrm From The Boss Checklist (And Only Appear After You Beat Him)]

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[ruby plover]

lol, rip thanatos' uneven eyes

[violet dagger]

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Adult Eidolon Wyrm From The Boss Checklist (And Only Appear After You Beat Him)]

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[Add a UI element that shows whether or not you're under the effects of Defense Damage]

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[ruby plover]

but it does highlyimprove chances

[grave zinc]

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[Give Anahita and Leviathan an Angling Kit-styled grab bag for their Angler-related drops.]

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[cobalt pewter]

@inland saddle

highlyimprove
minor spelling mistake (literally only missing a space)

[inland saddle]

Thank you

[cobalt pewter]

[ruby plover]

this change will highlyimprove the bot

[grave zinc]

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[Add a system to expand and collapse tooltips on player demand.]

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[ruby plover]

probably why they denied it tbh

you wouldn't notice it unless someone told you about it, and even then you would only notice if you were like lookin at an image of the sprite or smthn

[languid quartz]

I was about to ping him lmao

@inland saddle hi could you add a 👍/🛠️/🔒/🚫 when the bot responds so it's easier to see with a glance what the verdict is?

[cobalt pewter]

[inland saddle]

sure lol

[cobalt pewter]

tooltip issue is magically fixed with my sugg

[eternal escarp]

highlyimprove will become a catchphrase to the sugg disc people now i bet.

[ruby plover]

hope fully

[cobalt pewter]

Omit titles of bosses on the context where their name is mentioned as part of a sentence.

does this look good for the sugg title?

still figuring out how to write the sugg

"Yharon, the Jungle Dragon has been defeated" irks me more than it should be

when it can just be "Yharon has been defeated"

[hollow idol]

It's "Jungle Dragon, Yharon"

[crude geode]

cringe either way

[west jackal]

I never understood why they added the jungle dragon part

It’s pretty obvious that yharon is a dragon you spawn in the jungle

[sleek wadi]

Jungle Dragon Yharon just sounds cooler I guess

Probably saving the exempt title thing for Yharim himself

You can only pull off the "Massively important boss not having a title actually making it cooler" thing once afterall

[hollow shell]

Ah yeah I was going to request the same thing

[violet dagger]

the summon is also called "dragon egg"

[eternal escarp]

insert the "why is he specifically a jungle dragon"

only jungle connection he actually has is just Yharim iirc

same with Dragonfolly but even less

[violet dagger]

jungle dragon is an oxymoron since dragons stereotypically burn stuff down

[eternal escarp]

not even stereotypically

he does do that

[violet dagger]

so yeah its kind of an oxymoron

[eternal escarp]

you can even argue he has more connections to the desert then jungle

[violet dagger]

he is a type of dragon of what he is burning down

[eternal escarp]

with him being, phoenix like or smthn

[violet dagger]

jungle phoenix yharon

wasn't he called that on early versions of the mod

[eternal escarp]

no clue tbh

[violet dagger]

yup

[small timber]

isnt the astrum deus behaviour due to shitty ai bug? because sometimes deus just wander off and to catch up the player it is sped up but because it is so far away it becomes speed of light

in fact without that bug they probably will both be way more aggressive than it currently is

[ripe owl]

Hm

Fuck, sounds fair

[small timber]

@red lichen a very recent suggestion of almost the samething is already passed

[ashen warren]

its not a cheap hit if it happens each time is it

simply

move

[eternal escarp]

it mostly happens when you are specifically like, at an angle to her iirc
and regardless its a rather annoying hit since its highly unexpected, even if it can happen semi-consistently tbh

[tawny garden]

what if you can't move

[eternal escarp]

(tbf you always can move)

[ashen warren]

dont go somewhere where you cant

and yes you can

if you can reliably never get hit by her doing that after a bh, which you can, its just a skill issue

[ashen warren]

it happens if you, dont move when she resumes attacking, which is a stupid thing to do

simply moving up or down will avoid any angled hellblast

[eternal escarp]

she starts attacking immediately and not everyone will keep in mind where she exactly is to know where to expect it, especially the average player who will prolly not dodge a bullet hell by staying in the same general areas and keeping track of the current board

[ashen warren]

so, if you dont properly keep track of the fight you will get hit

[eternal escarp]

personally i would count it somewhat of a cheap hit, not because its undodgable but because its not something that should really happen in the first place

[ashen warren]

it is only an issue if you dont know what youre doing

and its not exactly rocket science to realise if youre standing still at the end its hitting you

the boss is full of things you need to learn to stand a good chance at beating it, thats simply one of them

[eternal escarp]

its not like the timeframe is rather large to react, its either you keep it in mind for sections and not focus on the actual fight because you want to avoid a rather quick and wierd curving shot, or you will just have to hope you are in a good spot so it doesnt happen

[ashen warren]

not at all

[fossil finch]

Calclone got one so i don't see why not

[ashen warren]

just dont be not moving when a bh ends which you shouldnt be anyway

[fossil finch]

it's like
The exact same situation

[ashen warren]

no

calclone followed you in the bhs

so it was literally near unavoidable

[fossil finch]

Fair, but still

[tawny garden]

just move

:trol

[ashen warren]

[red lichen]

o h

oops

mb

[eternal escarp]

thing is that, the BH's fade, and while they fade is pretty much when SCal starts redirecting
you cant really expect people to start moving when projectiles fade and expect to always remember scal can semi-randomly shoot a 45 degree shot from nowhere, especially when normally her shots do none of that
its not something the player should expect

semi randomly as in, sometimes happens under circumstances

rather then RNG

[ashen warren]

she just resumes attacking

if youre nowhere near her you should expect her to snap back to you

[eternal escarp]

snap back, yes
shooting a curved shot like never before, not really

[ashen warren]

its not curved

its straight

[eternal escarp]

well not curved, angled

but still

[ashen warren]

she does shoot those before if you get her at a funny angle

[eternal escarp]

which strictly happens under specific circumstances after BH (or Glacial State i guess but lmao)

[ashen warren]

its simply another thing to learn with the fight, that she will continue right from where she was beforehand

or gsd

or true melee drunkness

[eternal escarp]

the player shouldnt really be expected to remember that "if you are in specific circumstance the boss can angle a shoot annoyingly"

[ashen warren]

you dont need to remember that

simply remember to keep moving

[eternal escarp]

i dont think you can just say "use GSD" or "use True Melee" when not everyone plays with those
i.e Mage classes

[ashen warren]

i didnt say to use them

[eternal escarp]

then i missed your point

[ashen warren]

i said they also cause her to do the angled

[eternal escarp]

ah

[eternal escarp]

byeah, i dont think you can expect the player to "always end moving" when they might be in a situation they should stand still

i.e BH 2 / 3 / maybe 4

[ashen warren]

you shouldnt really be in those, and you have enough time to start moving from stopped once the bh starts to fade

[small timber]

the problem is not that it is consistent or not, the problem is it is bullshit

not everyone is trying to no hit scal and have complete knowledge of the boss

[ashen warren]

something that can be negated by holding down the space bar isnt bullshit

[small timber]

most people play the mod once and wait for next update

[ashen warren]

its not complicated to realise

and the boss is not meant to be easy/beatable without any fight knowledge

eg: bhs being made lots easier if you know how to manipulate the gigas

[small timber]

it is not difficult to realise the solution, but it feels bullshit whenever you just finish dodging an attack (bh) and scal just smack you in the face immediately

[eternal escarp]

tbf this can go for CClones immediate dash aswell which was patched
it could be entirely avoided by pressing right, yet it was still a cheap hit

[eternal escarp]

(ender moment

[ashen warren]

only it isnt the same situation is it

she doesnt need to be made any easier

if you want to fix bs stop her tping in sep2

if you do it at the bottom right going up well youre fucked no matter what

[eternal escarp]

making SCal not shoot in an angle when redirecting isn't making her easier just less annoying under specific circumstances in specific sections of the fight

it is roughly the same situation, be it CClones being more noticable

[ashen warren]

its removing one thing you need to remember

the fact that she instantly resumes attacking

[eternal escarp]

i mean, im under the impression it will be enough time to let her allign, before attacking

which seems perfectly normal to me

[small timber]

if they want to make scal harder I will rather it done in different way than something like that

[eternal escarp]

its like, 1~ second less of attacking
wow

hell its likely less

[ashen warren]

yes and completely removes the fact you need to remember that and not sit still after the bh

you shouldnt be not moving in her fight

[small timber]

they can make heart at all 4 corners, have to kill sep manually, +1 or 2 bullet hell at like 5% etc, but I will rather not that the difficulty is there in the fact that I forgot to remember her exact position when bh start

[eternal escarp]

i don't see the issue with sitting still in the first bhs though?

later BH's fix that issue in other ways

[ashen warren]

are you ignoring the part that it will literally not hit you if you simple

move

you dont need to remember her exact position at all

[small timber]

because it can be fired at angled, if you simply just moving chances are sometime (not all the time), you will get hit

[eternal escarp]

its not simply move even, if she is on my bottom left then i move right, id sometimes get hit anyways

if i move up a bit i might still get hit depending how low she is

[ashen warren]

yes you move towards her

which isnt difficult to know where

[small timber]

but the main thing is that she attack when BH is still fading, so the only way to consistently do it is to count 15 second or do the fight so many time that you remember the exact start/end of Bh with music

[ashen warren]

no it isnt

[eternal escarp]

moving towards her or towards her X allignment?

[ashen warren]

latter

[eternal escarp]

moving towards her specifically is instantly a terrible idea

yeah i assumed

[ashen warren]

you literally just need to fly up or fall

thats it

hence why it being removed because people cant figure that out is dumb

[eternal escarp]

yes, that would fix the issue
assuming the player was to keep it in mind while trying to avoid the BH's which players would put a lot of focus on

[ashen warren]

yes that is literally how you dodge it

its not hard to remember that

[eternal escarp]

i dont think a small rather annoying thing should be kept when the thing it "answers" is answered in later parts anyways

all it does is simply be annoying if a player doesnt keep in mind she sometimes does that

[ashen warren]

back when i was learning the fight ages ago, the second someone told me i needed to do that i never got hit by it

[eternal escarp]

and some might not even realize why she does that

[ashen warren]

its not sometimes

its completely consistent

[eternal escarp]

because she does it offscreen most of the time

[small timber]

I will rather have this kind of difficulty than according to your word, "don't forget to move up when bh ends"

[ashen warren]

she snaps to you and resumes attacking, that is obvious to anyone doing the fight

[ashen warren]

then youre kinda a moron

[eternal escarp]

she doesnt snap to you, she rather floats which causes this issue tbh
if she did snap this issue wouldnt be there in the first place

and i dont think i have any more to say tbh other then repeating my points so

[small timber]

a mechanic can be based on knowledge, but it should not be entirely based on knowledge to dodge it, the angled hellblast after bh is a case of that, you simply have to know it is coming and cannot react to it as it comes from off screen

[eternal escarp]

i guess wed have to agree to disagree

[small timber]

the knowledge different between a nohitter and someone who never look at wiki is huge

[ashen warren]

right if you want to be specific then, she moves over to then snap to your side

[ashen warren]

terraria is a wiki game

¯_(ツ)_/¯

its only ever an issue in bh1 and 2, you dont sit still in any of the other ones

and once youve died to it hitting you while youre sitting there once, its not exactly complicated to go huh maybe i should move out of the way next time

[gentle fog]

(soft ping @hollow shell) gonna be honest I don't like the new suggestion delivery system that much

kinda discourages voting for other suggestions since it makes your own suggestions less likely to be delivered

it's suddenly a competition as opposed to the flat star count

just my two cents anyway

[small timber]

or just post a lot of completely useless suggestion to bloat the amount of suggestion that fills the top 20%

20% of 20 is 4 suggestion, you bloat it to 40 suddenly it is 8

[gentle fog]

oh that's a good idea

[small timber]

stop right there criminal sum

[gentle fog]

it was your idea

[eternal escarp]

i think that concern is something to tell rover seeing as he is the suggestion overlord

[gentle fog]

I just kinda assumed he read everything in this channel anyway lol

[eternal escarp]

could ping him if you want to show the concern, he is online

[small timber]

tbh it can kinda be fix just by having stricter suggestion system to get pass into voting, just reject all semi-irrelevant suggestion

[exotic stag]

sugg verification system

[gentle fog]

my criticism feels a bit whiny so I'd feel bad pinging him lol

like "hey I'll interrupt whatever you're doing to tell you that I don't like this thing you did"

[exotic stag]

well.

[small timber]

although there is incentive to do it, it kinda is only 1 person, I think most people will rather just vote for the suggestion they think are actually good rather than betting that 1 vote will change anything

[gentle fog]

I'll edit it to a soft ping tho

[exotic stag]

rover didnt really do the new system..

[small timber]

every suggestion only comes from 1 owner

[eternal escarp]

id assume he had a major say in it seeing as he actives here the most

[small timber]

because if they don't want a suggestion to get voted it kinda is the same as not voting it anyway

[exotic stag]

probably more an influence rather then making it

[eternal escarp]

nycro coded the bot but i kindof doubt he planned everything in idea form

[exotic stag]

nycro took ideas from the original bot and the uh.. sugg "community"

[eternal escarp]

esp seeing the previous sugg bot for Infernum he made was pretty much the old sugg format (iirc

[gentle fog]

I really wish discord would implement actual soft pings (give people notification badges but not push notifications)

[eternal escarp]

so true

replies not pinging but being shown in your inbox regardless

🥺

byeah offtopic

[exotic stag]

just make replies not having pings auto turn on

[west jackal]

I feel like deus needs a complete rework

make it not a worm boss

[fossil finch]

do not the

[west jackal]

Ik I’m not gonna suggest it

[fossil finch]

then do not even mention
You are NOT allowed to share your ideas and opinions

[west jackal]

But I was talking about zarvaskis sugg

Deus hasn’t been a good boss

[fossil finch]

deus' is gaining attacks next update anyway

Also opinions dies

[small timber]

nah deus just need combination attack

[fossil finch]

I really don't want to get into this tbh

[small timber]

you have a boss that is literally made of multiple boss yet it just do its own thing x2

[fossil finch]

Granted it's just gonna be projectiles but

[ashen warren]

similar to exos

who when together do nothing but lose attacks

they dont work together at all

[small timber]

ya exo should have specific combination attack at 2 and 3 mechs

the current version incentivize dropgod too much just because of how chaotic it is

[ashen warren]

whether they were or not idk but it seems to me like they were designed and tested as individual fights first then made to work toghether

as the 1v1s are all fine, minus maybe ares as down exists

but the together phase is just not coordinated at all, theyre just doing their own thing

ei, thanos moving and blocking the direct opposite direction to ares laser beam when it fires

[small timber]

the modification for 2/3 mechs is literally that they stop doing some of their stronger attack and to have significantly reduced attack speed

[ashen warren]

would be something better than current

ye

[small timber]

thanatos spam less, twins stop shotgunning and ares (not sure), only fire nuke once (at 3 mechs)

[ashen warren]

they dont work together at all and its wasted opportunity

[small timber]

especially considering it is the golden opportunity for a combination attack boss

[ashen warren]

yup

i also think ares needs something to stop you falling down while also allowing you to move up easier at the same time

[eternal escarp]

currently moving upwards is a deaththreat, be it towards tesla or to the direction of the laser hand

which is, indeed

horrible for 3 mechs

[small timber]

you can move up on ares (in his solo phase), he only do 1 cycle of attack before spinning

[ashen warren]

you can only move up after he fires the vertical one

[eternal escarp]

yeah basically

[ashen warren]

then you can fly up and the two lower arms will miss you

[small timber]

nuke is more of the problem, it is just a pure zoning attack with no counterplay other then... just run away

[ashen warren]

BUT thanos will fire directly up at you

meaning you have to move sideways which has a good chance of getting you hit anyway

[small timber]

in my own pattern I just drop left/right the direction opposite to his tesla, then rod after his second plasma shot (mainly to dodge nuke), and you will have like 3 sec to move up, in malice anyway

[ashen warren]

i just fall

there isnt any incentive to moving back up with him alive

[small timber]

because I was trying to fight malice exo in an arena, and the conclusion I come up with is I am not good enough for no hit

[ashen warren]

you can use a world arena in a nohit btw

[small timber]

probably can in dmode malice though but ya twins is still hard

[ashen warren]

for malice only

for.. some reason beyond me and some others

[small timber]

ya thats why I tried something different, I can consistently beat ares first, then hard stuck twins, last is thanatos (but I think not major issue)

[eternal escarp]

yeah im pretty sure you dont need worldwide for malice anyways

[ashen warren]

no you dont

[small timber]

you DEFINITELY can do it malice (assuming not nohit)

[ashen warren]

which is why thats so

[small timber]

because if I can do it other no-hitters will definitely can do it

[eternal escarp]

no, you can nohit in malice without worldwide aswell

its just

[ashen warren]

annoying

[eternal escarp]

obviously not something the average player will ever do but then agian its a self imposed challenge ontop of malice so uhh

lol!

byeah

[small timber]

ya a lot of part is super random, particular twins

if you cant infinitely fly up twins blast is just

[eternal escarp]

eh less random, there are patterns you can easily read imo

for like 95% of the fight

[ashen warren]

twins are fine if you kill them first

i would recommend doing that

[eternal escarp]

ye same

[small timber]

I can't in my attempt, not good enough to dodge them consistently for extended period due to rdr

[ashen warren]

they only fire 2 shotguns then

[eternal escarp]

just makes the 2 mech section later on much easier

(esp given Thanatos with any mech attached is rather handicapped iirc)

[ashen warren]

ye he doesnt do much

[small timber]

that said I might resume my attempts, gotten pretty close, just twins is still massive problem for me for some reason

[ashen warren]

exo mechs together needs improvement but i dont think thats anything we're gonna see anytime soon so

[eternal escarp]

personally i like their lone's
the only place id say needs looking is their combined phases

[ashen warren]

only lone i dont like is ares

[small timber]

the only one that is too weak solo is ares

[eternal escarp]

though much particularly 3 mechs for stuff ive said a while ago

[digital saddle]

i think i suggested something like this a long time ago but yea

[eternal escarp]

i know many did aswell

[ashen warren]

Gusself ig

[tawny garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/845010354848268298.png

[cobalt pewter]

imagine no nitro

[tawny garden]

look ok I've been gifted thrice, I can't really expect more

[exotic stag]

same

[ashen warren]

[stiff wren]

freddy fastbear failure?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[gray nebula]

arbitrary sugg restart..

[exotic stag]

what even is the new goblins reforge system. i use autoreforge so i dont know

[frail mantle]

an actual upgrade system instead of rng

[small timber]

everytime you click reforge the modifier is guaranteed to get better, at 6th reforge it guarantee best reforge for the weapon

[exotic stag]

oh.

so just like

shit.

because thats just shitty still

[small timber]

basically on 6th reforge it guarantee modifier like legendary/unreal/mythical etc

[exotic stag]

your not guaranteed to get the reforge you specifically want. only the best on the wiki

[small timber]

except for ruthless the best modifiers should objectively be always the best, and for summoner they get ruthless on 6th reforge rather than mythical

[exotic stag]

that still sounds kinda meh

[frail mantle]

but then the question becomes why would you want a reforge other than the one that provides the most benefits

[exotic stag]

because what if you want a diff reforge then the best because of your playstyle.

[frail mantle]

unless it's something like rogue stealth where you want a reforge that reduces use time

[small timber]

it doesn't matter what is your playstyle, best modifier is almost always the best, the only 2 that can be argued is rapid and ruthless

becaues other modifier is literally lower modifier but upgraded

[frail mantle]

but i can't really think of any other instance where the reforge with the most benefits wouldn't be the most beneficial

[small timber]

ya rogue maybe, but I am unsure how much long term dps it actually sacrifice (especially the new stealth)

[eternal escarp]

isnt this only like

a melee issue with Yoyos and spears and rangs?

its still a wierd inconsistency but

maybe theres a reason?

[exotic stag]

spears iirc no but rangs yoyos and flails yes

[small timber]

I think it is just because these weapons cant be affected by speed and size modifier

therefore their best is godly, which I assume is oversight (with the changelog as stated)

[eternal escarp]

yoyos definitely no

im 100% sure they can only go to godly

(save for Terrarian past 1.4 JE)

[small timber]

because the changelog do mention that all weapons are given best modifier despite not affected by it (nor do the stats show on the modifier)

[eternal escarp]

yeah sounds like an oversight then unless theres

a deeper reason

[small timber]

I dont think there is a deeper reason really, godly is completely the same as legendary stat-wise for these weapons (as speed and size is unaffected anyway)

[cobalt pewter]

Terrarian has a custom Legendary modifier in 1.4

custom because it doesn't actually has the same aspects as normal Legendary modifier does

[small timber]

ya terrarian's legendary seem to be upgraded godly basically

[cobalt pewter]

On the   Desktop version,   Console version,   Mobile version, and   Nintendo Switch version, the Terrarian's best modifier is Legendary. Although yoyos cannot normally obtain the Legendary modifier, the Terrarian is an exception and receives a unique set of boosts from the Legendary modifier; +17% damage, +8% critical strike chance, and +17% knockback.

[small timber]

2% more damage, 3% more crit, 2 % more knockback to godly, while not have speed and size (which do not affect yoyo)

[spare prawn]

me omw to get end of hardmode gear preboss with a funny wooden stick

@inland saddle minor spelling mistake

[fossil finch]

they know

[spare prawn]

👍

[fossil finch]

Anyways highly improve chances!

[stiff wren]

when the chances are highly improved !

[inland saddle]

This has already been fixed

[eternal escarp]

(i think he practically always appears right on you, since he doesnt actually dissapear and more so just follow you invisibily)

[exotic stag]

hes a cloaker

[eternal escarp]

so i think its less of an "if" and more of a "when"?

byeah

[small timber]

Ya I think it is especially noticeable for me since when I was looping around he spawned coiling me

And then immediately fire a 360°barrage while coiling

[ruby plover]

During second mech, when using slime saddle for many seconds just before it’s final mech as Thanatos, I almost always will land on him

And if I don’t gsd he will fire a completely circular spread of lasers

[ripe owl]

Still, Thanatos' wall of lasers is fucking ridiculous, unnecessary and illogical

[unique vector]

nohitter’s dilemma

[weary ledge]

Me when laser spam

[digital saddle]

i dont think thanatos lasers are that hard to deal wiht

the beam is far more ridiculous imo

[small timber]

laser have more variance than beam

beam you can consistently dodge it, not necessarily the laser

[weary ledge]

The beam you just stand near the head to avoid it

[digital saddle]

Yes but then he starts cooling which gets messy

[small timber]

his head is always vulnerable when firing the beam, you will not "not be able to damage him"

[worthy lintel]

@zenith mural it's been tried in the past and it didn't end well

[unique vector]

@zenith mural one, we will never add a meme channel
two, server-related suggestions should be delivered by DMing our ModMail bot

[worthy lintel]

(also woops double takedown )

[violet dagger]

tbh the only meme channel I find actually pretty good is soa discord meme channel

all the other ones I've seen are often just bad

[stiff wren]

Meme channels and big public servers dont go well together

[violet dagger]

me when I get pinged here thinking my suggestion got a status update again

[stiff wren]

Sorry

[violet dagger]

its ok

I just found it funny how the new bot is manipulating me

[tawny garden]

there can be some good ones in friend servers too

but on big servers they just don't work

[polar summit]

Suggestion: have the adult eidolon wyrm despawn if you die or have it be toggeable because I lost all my NPC's to that snek T_T

[ruby plover]

definitely not a toggleable thing but it sounds aight

it sounds way too specific for a toggle

[crude geode]

Remove toggle menu

[eternal escarp]

i think there really needs to be something about bad suggestion practices to just

slap "make it toggleable" on every suggestion

because its just "vote for it because you dont have to have it on anyways"

[cobalt pewter]

doesn't that fall into config? or am i misremembering the doc again

[eternal escarp]

i dont remember honestly

[cobalt pewter]

doesn't seem like it's mentioned in the doc ye

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell should this topic be touched on the bad sugg practice in the don't doc?

[tawny garden]

config bloat momentum

[stiff wren]

Config more like uncool

[exotic stag]

delete config when.

[lucid flare]

is there any reason why the dreadmine staff only works near blocks? because i kinda wanna suggest something about that

[grave zinc]

@sonic sigil - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Aero Dynamite to Skynamite]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@serene slate - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Cryogen's shots more visible]

Your suggestion has already been previously passed and voted upon; if it isn't already implemented, the devs may reconsider their verdict.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[sonic sigil]

:)

[unique vector]

uh

arent these old

@inland saddle

i highly doubt

that

[exotic stag]

i doubt it too.

cause like

[inland saddle]

They are old but they just got passed through voting

Wait

I think?

[grave zinc]

@serene slate - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Cryogen's shots more visible]

Your suggestion has already been previously passed and voted upon; if it isn't already implemented, the devs may reconsider their verdict.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[inland saddle]

Oh

That’s weird

Uhhh

I need to restart it

That’s so fucking weird

Idk why discord does that

[exotic stag]

your suggestion has recieved a new updated status. but again!

[serene slate]

Pinged twice!

[hollow shell]

Maybe. Sometimes configs are welcome but there are cases where it'd just make things more awkward.

I could make a Don't about that, it does come up often enough

(later tho)

[serene slate]

Configs are always based

If you disagree with me you are wrong

:)

[hollow shell]

I do like configs generally yeah
But stuff like this ^ is just needlessly specific

[exotic stag]

its also a somewhat bug

[serene slate]

Yeah that shouldn't be a toggle

It's a boss technically so it should work like other bosses

[exotic stag]

i mean aew not despawning iirc used to be a bug

[unique vector]

i will downvote every suggestion to make a config unrelated to accessibility

[exotic stag]

just downvote every sugg that has something to do with config

[lucid flare]

anotha day another cryogen

[inland saddle]

Discord shits

I’m going to change the code when I get home

[tawny garden]

you sure it's pisscord and not your code

[inland saddle]

To something that should hopefully make it better

Yes I’m 100% sure

It’s either discord or a bug in the API I’m using

[tawny garden]

I mean it doesn't have to be a don't, just a bad practice

[brittle pumice]

unclosed parentheses

[tawny garden]

lol that's not the full length of that line

[inland saddle]

There is more to the line

The code would not compile if there was a formatting error

[eternal escarp]

no because some config suggestions do make sense

which is why i think itd fit "Bad practices" more then a full stop "Dont"

byeah

[brittle pumice]

oh okay there we go thats fine

[inland saddle]

Alright, I've updated

Hopefully

Hopefully

This method should prevent discord shits

But then again you never know

[unique vector]

[drowsy plank]

so is this the first time the bot has started to pass suggestions into the dev server?

[fossil finch]

no?

[meager geyser]

config options are based

HOWEVER

you do run into the overhaul problem at some point

where most players will completely ignore the config

because its just so damn long

base overhaul is nigh unplayable because for every cool unique feature there are a bazillion features nobody asked for that you have to manually disable (iirc some of them you cant)

[fossil finch]

ok but the point is that if your sugg is heavily disagreed upon the fix isn't "make it a config!!!!

"Choose your own experience" is in general wacky because it's either all the way in or bad
There's also times people don't know what they want

[meager geyser]

thats my point

[fossil finch]

Well after rereading i can say it's not expressed a lot imo but yeah so agreeable bestie!1!!

[meager geyser]

mayve not worded it the best

[unique vector]

config options make me sad

[meager geyser]

like all config options?

[unique vector]

ones that are based around disliking a new change

where most of the reasoning is “i liked the older stuff better you should make it a config”

[meager geyser]

are you talking about vanilla changes or changes to cal

[unique vector]

anything pertaining a config sug ngl

more lenient on vanilla related ones but

[meager geyser]

because i think major sweeping vanilla changes, if possible (if everything else isnt balanced around them) should be configurable

[unique vector]

like i said if its a cal related config and its not purely accessibility based im going to smite the suggester

grrr

[unique vector]

thats fair

we decided that we’re keeping the HM rework as a config for that reason

[meager geyser]

recently had a really really long discussion in spirit dev about what should and shouldnt be a config

[unique vector]

even after we finish polishing our changes

oo

sounds like a lot of fun and also a lot of brain matter explosions

guhh

[stiff wren]

Rev drops config when?!??!?!?!??¿°¿°¿°¿°¿°¿°¿°¿°¿°¿°¿?!?!?!???!?!?

[meager geyser]

when will every enemy in the mod get a config tbh

[stiff wren]

I want a config to remove serpentine from the game

[unique vector]

honestly i always wonder how dev matters work in other mod spaces

esp since im not super familiar with other mods to begin with

[unique vector]

[unique vector]

you will die in 5

[meager geyser]

well ive been in several development servers and they all work kinda differently

[stiff wren]

Old reforge config?!?!?!?!?

[meager geyser]

from what ive heard in calamity most major desisions are made by either dom or fabsol, meanwhile in spirit theres no real one person who controls those desisions. Everything is put to a vote (sometimes to its fault)

yuyu only has tiebreaking powers

[unique vector]

actually we’ve shifted to a far more team-oriented workflow

most decisions are now based on collective discussions and formal votes

fab pitches in whenever he feels he needs to, unless its bosses which he has most of the control over

[meager geyser]

idk most of what i hear about cal dev is hearsay from iban

[unique vector]

kinda like voting systems ngl altho they can be a pain in the ass lmao

democracy

[meager geyser]

spirit has this problems where things will be in limbo

[unique vector]

iban smells and sucks

he stinks

[meager geyser]

no downvotes, but not enough upvotes to get in

[unique vector]

o

usually ours cause the opposite problem

[eternal escarp]

devmocracy hell

[unique vector]

either we push changes too fast or they cause 2 hour long text arguments

perks (or detriments) of having very diverse opinions tbh tbh

[meager geyser]

revert to hivemind

[unique vector]

b-but,.,.,

guh!!

i organize a buncha stuff internally so ive only seen a couple of things that fab personally holds verdict over

a lot of the other stuff is just done whenever ppl want to do it themselves

[fossil finch]

Democracy

[late elk]

Socialism ☭

[brittle pumice]

communism even!

[weary ledge]

Anarchy.

[brisk bramble]

So there will be an Upvote downvote system?

[violet dagger]

no

[brisk bramble]

I mean for the sugg bot

Kinda like this

[brisk bramble]

I see.

Aright then

[cobalt pewter]

Pwnagehammer is a bit ech

mainly because the rework was intended to be for rogue, then it got shafted into melee only

and now the effect procs on chance

[weary ledge]

It always proced on chance

It wasn’t ever guaranteed on stealth or anything like that

[cobalt pewter]

I was meaning before the rework actually took effect

it was designed more for rogue in mind, then ended up being more general

but either way I'd want to make the copy hammers more reliable yes

[weary ledge]

Yeah because it makes me sad when I pop adrenaline and a copy hammer spawns but instead of removing like 5% of the boss’ HP it just decides to do nothing at all.

[cobalt pewter]

personally aside from making its targeting guaranteed, I'd also make the spectral hammers proc on a fixed frequency

[weary ledge]

Yeah, like instead of 20% chance every throw, just every 5th hammer

[violet dagger]

I think this is being removed next update

could be wrong tho

[small timber]

ya I too heard this will be change, but didnt find it in changelog

[digital saddle]

my suggestion? or the thing that the previous person talked about

[weary ledge]

Yours I assume

[unique vector]

many DoG suggestions lately

good

[small timber]

Dog need change and fab need convincing that dog is not perfect

[digital saddle]

I think dog is basically fine for the most part

A few things could do with tweaking like the telefrags but I think it's a good difficulty boss without feeling unfair like certain others

i liked the double health bar

[small timber]

It is too easy on death and malice, like way too easy compare to other boss

But difficulty is not the main point, the point is he is too passive if you have any arena at all (aka longe enough platform)

Of every single boss in the game dog is the only one that gives the player more than 15, sec of complete downtime on attack

[fleet igloo]

How's a sugg to make the Acceptance music box more easily obtainable

[small timber]

I think specifically for scal music box, they dont want to add separate ones, at least not more than it currently is

[fleet igloo]

Isn't there already a separate one from each phase

However the Acceptance one is hard to record because it only plays for a few seconds in game

[small timber]

Oh they already added it, if that is the case then maybe it is fine since it is just adding recipe

As long as it is not add "new music box" then I think it is fine

[distant gyro]

enchant music boxes to change their stages

(imagine)

[violet dagger]

exhumed acceptance music box

[crude geode]

Just like make music boxes not cringe

[small timber]

denial music box

[jagged spade]

make brimstone witch sell the music box

more like

[proper grail]

Honestly I think the music box mechanic is silly

Why can’t we just have like a table or something that automatically records songs when placed down

It “unlocks” them to be added to a music box

[small timber]

Or just make music box crafted from boss trophy like lore item

(although I think some other mod already added it)

[stiff wren]

Config to remove music boxes

[orchid briar]

Config to not remove music boxes

[exotic stag]

config to remove config.

[exotic stag]

his suggestion was to join his server. what a good sugg

@marble hazel delet yes?

just so no one joins it. not the fact its already marked

[marble hazel]

don

[exotic stag]

[marble hazel]

@brave shale bro no random discord invite links

[brave shale]

ok

[stiff wren]

for extra challenge ig

but i dont think anyone actually uses them lol

[unique vector]

okay suggs disc hive mind

whats your guys’ bright ideas today

[cobalt pewter]

borgar

(i am hungry)

[eternal escarp]

none today iirc

[unique vector]

zamn

[eternal escarp]

i could find something to mald over if you wish

[stiff wren]

config to remove invisibility /s
config to remove invisibility /srs

[unique vector]

do u want to die

[eternal escarp]

saying no one uses them is a terrible arguement
a better arguement would be that other challenge modes are removed

[stiff wren]

yes

[eternal escarp]

but youd have to wait for 1.5.0.004 for that arguement

[stiff wren]

i like how half of the suggestions here make sense but always have a bad argument for them

[brittle pumice]

config to add zenith

[stiff wren]

config to add boobies

[eternal escarp]

if they make sense, they would have a good arguement.

which is why i gave you a better arguement, just not valid as of now

[stiff wren]

uh wrong guy

[eternal escarp]

a

pfps are too similiar, my bad

[unique vector]

go away

dont come back until 1.4 porting

[distant gyro]

make divine ret cooler

;)

[unique vector]

i did NOT code divine ret not my fault

:p

[exotic stag]

make it cooler then

[fossil finch]

what is divine ret

[unique vector]

its already cool

[stiff wren]

divine retribution

[unique vector]

://

[exotic stag]

undyne thing i think

[exotic stag]

make it better.

[stiff wren]

upgraded undyne weapon

[fossil finch]

anyways my bright idea is a way to disable invisibility

[unique vector]

what the hell is invisibility

[stiff wren]

wow what a cool idea

[exotic stag]

okay but hear me out:

[unique vector]

[fossil finch]

being unable to be seen

[exotic stag]

on invis potion y'know how you get rogue buffs right?

[unique vector]

no

[exotic stag]

like when holding certain weapons you get rogue buffs

[eternal escarp]

about 3 people just repeating the same sugg oblivious to the other :clueless

[exotic stag]

list the fucking weapons that it buffs

[unique vector]

i dont know what that

[fossil finch]

all of them

[unique vector]

potion is

[fossil finch]

it is the type of weapon that matters

[exotic stag]

invisibility potion

[stiff wren]

most of them

[exotic stag]

then list the different buffs

[eternal escarp]

yeah Invis and Shadow affect

pretty much all of them

[exotic stag]

i don wanna have to equip a weapon to see the stoopid buff

[fossil finch]

byeah invis potion is an early game rogue buffing potion

[exotic stag]

and then decide if its worth it or not

[fossil finch]

however you guys still don't add a way to disable being invisible so i can see myself

[eternal escarp]

where would it be listed
oh i know where, in feedzuh's collapsable tooltip sugg

[fossil finch]

i don't mind much personally because i am like

good at the game

[exotic stag]

yeth.

[fossil finch]

i know where my hitbox is

[eternal escarp]

[exotic stag]

also doesnt stealth have a config for not being invis?

[stiff wren]

yeh but invis potions dont have one

[fossil finch]

that's only for stealth invis

[stiff wren]

for some reason

[exotic stag]

just make it "all invisibility"

rather then stoolth

[eternal escarp]

well invis potions do that because its
invis potions at their core

Shadow Potions doing that is ech

[fossil finch]

yea

invis pots suck anyway

why would you want to

it's not useful ever

except in 1 pvp troll idk

[stiff wren]

i would post that as a suggestion but im way too afraid of everyone here making fun of me for 6 hours straight once i send it

[stiff wren]

for truffle worms duh!!!!1111

[eternal escarp]

just craft them 🚎

[fossil finch]

invis decreases your aggro yes, but nowhere near enough for truffle worms to not end up running away

[exotic stag]

just speed up

[stiff wren]

aggro is weird tbh

like are aggro decreasing buffs even remotely useful

[fossil finch]

yes

[exotic stag]

rarely

[fossil finch]

for mp and just in general qol

[exotic stag]

multiplayer

[stiff wren]

*in singleplayer

*because multiplayer bad

[fossil finch]

enough aggro decreases could make basic night enemies basically ignore your ass

[exotic stag]

yeah but

just shoot them

[fossil finch]

until they're like

[stiff wren]

yeh but by the time you get aggro decreases you can probably kill everything in your line of sight

[fossil finch]

2 blocks away from you

[exotic stag]

literally what cooldude said

[fossil finch]

ok and

don't care

[exotic stag]

just either shoot them or dodge

[fossil finch]

anyway

abyss also exists

[exotic stag]

abyss is uh

bad.

[stiff wren]

abyss more like stinkyss

[fossil finch]

you're a bad discord user in general unfair

[exotic stag]

i mean really though its hard to even use the aggro feature on abyss because its janky as hell

[fossil finch]

not really no

[stiff wren]

funny alarm fish

[fossil finch]

like really you should invest in the

in the skill of

not getting close to enemies

[exotic stag]

yeah you dont need aggro reduction to do that

[stiff wren]

the abyss is just a fuckton of narrow tunnels underwater

[exotic stag]

either do that or just..

[stiff wren]

how do you avoid getting close

[exotic stag]

shoot them

[fossil finch]

aggro reduction helps with both situations you're describing

and the point is that shooting them makes them go for your ass and kill your -120 defense shitfart

[exotic stag]

then movement.

you have a hook. use it

[fossil finch]

can you really stop being unhelpful here
that doesn't mean aggro is any worse because as cool described there is narrow places and aggro reduction reduces the distance enemies can see you in

[stiff wren]

oh god i accidentally proved ender's point

[fossil finch]

it is not the most useful of mechanics, no, and it is mainly mp oriented, yes, but stop crying about it i think

[exotic stag]

aggro is worse because theres literally MANY other options to do rather then just "stay out of way by using an item"
shoot them. move out of the way. literally go around them at any point. or simply do ANYTHING else.

You are literally acting like mirsario now. just saying the "be quiet shut up" lines over and over

[fossil finch]

are you aware than both "Moving out of the way" and "go around them" are x100 easier with low aggro yes

[stiff wren]

then theres the CHAD option
avoid the abyss until hardmode then abuse teleporters to avoid all enemies

[exotic stag]

lower aggro. when you could just pay attention and wait.

[stiff wren]

cant wait if you're underwater

breathing is a thing

that you kinda have to do

[fossil finch]

that's like going "higher damage, when you can just have a 50 minutes long fight"

[stiff wren]

and you cant do that in the abyss

[small timber]

in singleplayer most of the time aggro do not matter (for obvious reason, it is a multiplayer mechanic), but for abyss it definitely DO matter

as long as no funni alarm fish (you basically have to run off screen for it to despawn), aggro reduction in abyss basically make abyss enemy passive, at least to the extend that you should be free to do anything else

[eternal escarp]

so dont use it

its based on pickaxe power so

all it is is just situationally fast, and it maked up for ots rarity doing so

[sleek wadi]

It better be the best excavation tool in the game if it requires you search the entire underground for it

[ashen warren]

Or get lucky and find it pre boss

[reef silo]

i feel like i’m gucci mane in 2006

[weary ledge]

Onyx Excavator Key is in fact hilarious

[unique vector]

hello sugg disc lurkers

very very late in the day to ask

but do you guys have any strong opinions on bosses to get alterations/improvements

[west jackal]

Most opinions are on the obvious bosses tbh

Deus, exos, and dog

I think storm weaver needs a huge update

[crude geode]

Disagree

[west jackal]

Rn it’s circle until armor is dead and then run

[small timber]

worm bosses really, particularly deus and perforator

[crude geode]

Ravager lol

[small timber]

Maybe golem

[west jackal]

Perferator has the hive to prevent running away, it’s just not utilized

[unique vector]

okay but like

what specific issues do u have and why

so that its not just feedback where its like “i dont like this its too hard/annoying”

[crude geode]

Ravager serves no purposes besides a material farm, as his place in progression is already littered with PLENTY of weapons

[unique vector]

and what would you change it to

[lapis canyon]

If we have any affect to boss changes, I’d say replace yharon’s fire run with the Betsy attack

[unique vector]

but like

why

🤨

[west jackal]

I think that storm weaver needs a lot more attacks

[lapis canyon]

I’ll go grab my sugg which didn’t pass lol

[unique vector]

im looking for specific critiques and issues

[crude geode]

disagree heavily. more attacks does not equal good boss.

[west jackal]

it’s 2 attacks

Yeah but it makes sw boring

[unique vector]

this disagreement is exactly why i want yall to be specific

[small timber]

Deus (large scale rework, it is destroyer+ AS 2.0 now), perf (large scale rework, or at least tweak how the worm works because it just feels like a adds fight), golem (the fight difficulty is entirely based on how chaotic it is), exo mech (but only ares solo and 2/3 mech phase, ares is weak solo and 2/3 mech is a mess), DoG (preferably make him more charge based than laser walls, if he is more aggressive and have like 1 new move he maybe fine)

[unique vector]

i trust you guys a lot more than cmt to have valid opinions but i dont want this to be a weird echo chamber if that makes sense

[west jackal]

Yeah

[lapis canyon]

Betsy attack is way under utilised

[meager geyser]

what is cmt

[crude geode]

#calamity-mod-talk

[unique vector]

okay but thast a problem with betsy and not yharon

[meager geyser]

ah

[unique vector]

do you have a specific problem with how yharon works?

oh i just saw the ss

oops

[meager geyser]

completely rework every single boss tbhtbh

[crude geode]

trueeeee

[small timber]

Ya yharon have some "filler attack"

[unique vector]

are you asking for yharon, an already complex boss, to have more shit to throw at players?

would replacing it with a betsy attack or something similar not make it too messy?

[lapis canyon]

I’m asking to make yharon consistently difficult in p2

[unique vector]

is his p2 difficulty defined by one attack

[west jackal]

I say make it a new attack instead of reusing one

[west jackal]

Yeah

Honestly

The bullet hell is the only part to give me trouble

[small timber]

Ya that move basically give you like 10 sec of free downtime because of how time consuming it is to execute (and how unharmful it is)

[lapis canyon]

The current Betsy attack is way to easy to bait out of the arena

Due to how his ai works

[unique vector]

your point on deus is too vague and overgeneralizing to mean anything to me rn
wtf does your perfs comment mean
i cant tell if your golem point is a positive or a negative?
exo mechs you have valid points but i dont know if fabsol wants to touch them until much later
dog is valid

[meager geyser]

i have 13,000 hours in terraria and have never fought betsy because OOA is stupid and dumb

[unique vector]

based

[crude geode]

truely

[unique vector]

there is a negative correlation ebtween the ppl with longer terraria hours and the ppl that like OOA

[west jackal]

nobody talks about crabulon lmao

[unique vector]

alright

[west jackal]

It’s extremely cheesable

[unique vector]

actually this might be a better way to compile your guys' thoughts

[crude geode]

specifics oofer

[west jackal]

Like none of the attacks reach you if you build a platform high up

[unique vector]

ill link a google doc here, and you guys comment under each boss you feel has issues

please be very specific

im going to use this to help give feedback for boss polishing but given how large our community is, having vague feedback from like 5 people wont mean much

so do be specific

[west jackal]

With my sw issue I’m talking about how it’s a running simulator

No reason to stop running at all

Especially with how much it dashes

[small timber]

Deus is too similar to other projectile worm boss to stand on his own because his previously unique ai is now on many other projectile worm boss, the fight difficulty is mostly that sometimes 1 worm is doing things off screen

Perforator solo phase his new "droping blobs" attack make him weaker in p2, and first and second worm is not really unique, it is a fine fight but it can be improved

Golem is a negative point, his difficulty is less "dodge the projectile" but more that it is hard to keep track of bouncing fireball and 2 separate entity constantly shooting projectile at you (and hard to aim especially with guns without homing)

[unique vector]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtMxID_Z4ahJOIvWzvESJW0u3NGSh0JAh3Qwd9IqSzU/edit?usp=sharing

here you go have fun

[cobalt pewter]

it's a bit of an uncommon thing but I remember Signus is planned to be reworked no? just asking in case they already had stuff planned for my boy

[unique vector]

oh right let me remove the

signuts and donuts

[cobalt pewter]

[unique vector]

@crude geode @lapis canyon @west jackal @small timber all u fuckers wanted to say stuff right

say them.... NOW!!!

[crude geode]

I have in fact

[west jackal]

Damn chill I gotta download google docs 💀

[unique vector]

im joking take the time u need

[crude geode]

fo sure

[unique vector]

just like with the mage stuff this wont like

be done very quickly

just getting this sorted for when we need it

[crude geode]

makes sense

[unique vector]

i am glad you all migrated to take hibernation here btw

sometimes i find it neat to ask the community for opinions but cmt is

not a great place

[west jackal]

Cmt is funny boss names

[crude geode]

it is wack

[west jackal]

And tier lists

[crude geode]

no clue what to do regarding ravager besides the shit I've suggested about a thousand times of moving him to post provi and making bloodstone more related to him solely

[unique vector]

we actually talked abt ravager earlier today

no spoilers though

muaah

[crude geode]

based

[west jackal]

I’m tryna find a way to be more specific about sw

There isn’t much to say other than it’s just running

[unique vector]

yeayea take ur time

feel free to share it here again if someone else asks for it

[west jackal]

Pin it maybe

[unique vector]

this technically isnt the channel for this so

[west jackal]

I mean, it’s sugs about bosses

[unique vector]

this wouldbe more of a cmt talk in formality speak