Then can a suggestion be about the lore?
#suggestions-discussion
orchid turtle
Because thats what that is
It seems like lore clutter in a way
And my suggestion was about that
hot zephyr
Wait until everything is out and then come back and form a decision
fossil finch
i mean yes it's clutter but it's not like this is hurting the experience tbh
unique vector
i am for banning lore suggestions
hot zephyr
most issues with the lore will be addressed in time
orchid turtle
I asked if changes were happening and I was told they weren't planned
fossil finch
where?
orchid turtle
/
fossil finch
i told you that devs have not said anything about retheming or changing cryo's obtainment method
hot zephyr
fossil finch
Not that there wasn't nothing planned for lore as a whole
orchid turtle
Ok
hot zephyr
nobody will give you concrete answers to most of your questions because the people that know aren't going to say anything either way
orchid turtle
Just hard to find info when lore discussion is 90% memes
hot zephyr
lore reworked soon tbh iirc idk?
lore suggestions should get the bin because it's basically all future content
hot zephyr
when the lore arrives in pieces with updates :)
fossil finch
ok but since then we've literally only had some minor worldbuilding and dog showing an emotion that isn't ego
Nothing major has changed
hot zephyr
tl;dr the suggestion system is almost entirely for changes to the mod from a gameplay/design perspective, server suggs are now handled by modmail and there's no point in having lore suggestions here
fossil finch
which is why I'm MAD and think mrrp is EVIL
fossil finch
Yes
hot zephyr
Nothing major has changed
granted, we haven't had that much in terms of updates w/ worldbuilding because most development time has been used for testing and foundational changes. it can be inferred that future updates will probably lean more into it especially with what's been shown off in regards to the mist ocean, etc
hot zephyr
from an outsider's perspective I understand completely, but as I've started working on the mod the pieces kinda fell into place
so uh
Soon™️
orchid turtle
I removed the suggestion
exotic stag
wolfram
hot zephyr
fossil finch
You spent like 20 minutes on this
exotic stag
yes
fossil finch
comedy
exotic stag
cause i was busy fighting araghur at the same time.
orchid turtle
But I wish there was a good place to actually view lore stuff
exotic stag
and i couldnt figure out how to do ram horns
fossil finch
It's literally just the wiki though
orchid turtle
Lore discussion takes way too long to sift through
hot zephyr
you do have some ground in saying that silva and daedalus lack presence outside of some item names
fossil finch
There's absolutely nothing relevant missing in the wiki
~~daedalous is implied by ice log
orchid turtle
Wiki is like super outdated on planned stuff
hot zephyr
that will hopefully be remedied in the future (idk about most of this I just work on the testing side lo)
exotic stag
its a rough sketch
orchid turtle
BTW with the ice log
hot zephyr
it'll get easier as more is released
fossil finch
wiki isn't super outdated
It's literally all we know
There's literally nothing else
orchid turtle
Shouldn't Draedon know about that
fossil finch
you won't find nothing else in lore disc
orchid turtle
He literally attacked when it blew up
fossil finch
that's not canon anymore though
I'd say it needs to get removed directly unlike everything else
orchid turtle
THATS WHAT ON THE WIKI
fossil finch
But mrrp handles that
orchid turtle
YOU SEE WHAT IM TALKLING ABOUT?
fossil finch
That's the only thing on the wiki That's not canon tbf
no
I don't because i alreasy know all of this stuff
Lol
hot zephyr
make a suggestion to clean the wiki of lore, most of it should get the boot anyways
fossil finch
that'd go on wiki disc wouldn't it
hot zephyr
total calamity now has exclusivity on lore
fossil finch
Kinda weird
Like yeah who would handle that situation
Having devs sit through it sounds inefficient as hell, specially since i imagine it wouldn't get much votes (see me being completely wrong
exotic stag
lore-maker role
lucid flare
speaking ab lore what is the old duke
exotic stag
an april fools joke.
hot zephyr
an irradiated ancestor of fishron
fossil finch
YOU SEE WHAT IM TALKLING ABOUT?
Also you could've always just asked directly on lore disc, people would've answered, just a note
Old Duke is an old duke
orchid turtle
Why would I ask
lucid flare
i just found it funny because he has no lore
fossil finch
because you wanted to know???
orchid turtle
Should I assume the wiki is wrong
orchid turtle
After you told me that it was completly up to date
fossil finch
You complained about having to sit through lore disc to know stuff, I'm talking in general
hot zephyr
Should I assume the wiki is wrong
Assume that everything is in a state of flux and lore really doesn't exist in a completed state
That's how I handle it
orchid turtle
Then tell me the thing I'm talking about wasn't a thing
crude geode
The only lore I know is John Wulfrum 🙏
hot zephyr
TRUE
fossil finch
that's how it's pinned in lore disc, too
hot zephyr
I'm playing John in the Wulfrum movie.
fossil finch
byes, you complained previously about not wanting to search on lore disc, yet you could've always had just asked directly
exotic stag
The only lore I know is John Wulfrum 🙏
yeah i made john wulfram
fossil finch
Schlock made all john wulfrum variations
exotic stag
"ram"
fossil finch
All john wulfrum variations ever made were made by shlock before you thought of them
exotic stag
including the sprite?
fossil finch
yes
It was implanted in your pc and fake memories were made so you thought you made it
orchid turtle
I was just saying that without knowing what was being planned my suggestion was valid because lore disc is usually some stupid shit
"Does Yharim like chicken nugget you think?"
fossil finch
It stops being a stupid shit if you ask a question
That's kinda what I'm saying here
There's also been a decently big amounts of time where it hasn't been memey but i can't blame you for not being up 24/7 to check
orchid turtle
I'm going to ask the joke question in there and unironically get a response
cobalt pewter
@leaden fossil no reasoning
small timber
Nah the suggestion is to buff the player, since turret do like half damage if you are not summoner
At least that is what I assume is happening, and ya format and reasoning
leaden fossil
<@278244159104614410> no reasoning
OOH YEA SHIT
ops i will do it tommorw
its 2am for me
cobalt pewter
alr
digital prism
thanks
unborn locust
Ill never give up, i went to sleep
Me not being able to kill a boss isnt the main reason i want a new boss, it was just an idea of where to put the boss if it was added since those are the parts that i really struggled with the most
crude geode
Adding a boss is still a high effort don’t
unborn locust
I am aware
obsidian cove
Then why did you suggest it?
unborn locust
Because i think itd be cool if there was one
obsidian cove
So you knew that a suggestion for a new boss isn’t allowed and won’t be accepted, but you suggested it
obsidian cove
unborn locust
Damn i see
unborn locust
I agreed that adding a boss is high effort, not that it wasnt allowed
cobalt pewter
it isn't allowed.
obsidian cove
Tbh most early game bosses like that aren’t cool anyway since your so limited in what you can do(imo)
unborn locust
Hive mind is pretty cool tho
And the bee
The spawn from my experience is awfully uncommon
Not rare but i need to look for it like 10 minutes
If terraria modding is well documented, i might just make it myself
novel belfry
I wish that the dd2 sentry armors also nerfed the minion nerf
i just don't understand why this hasn't been done
grim tusk
(Cuz the dd2 armors are fucking busted lol)
small timber
if you want wulfrum armor to be useful, the first step is not to "add a whole boss" but rather just to add hardmode variant of wulfrum enemy
if it is still not enough, THEN you proceed to new boss, you don't just skip 1 phase
so your suggestion literally do not have to be "based on adding a new wulfrum boss", you just have to suggest making wulfrum stay relevant in hardmode by adding new enemy or drops
crude geode
me when something exists for only one phase of the game: 
small timber
and wulfrum armor is not even bad (bad defense but ok damage), considering its cost of just forest surface enemy
digital prism
its op for early summoner
which is what i main
and the wulfrum robots do have lore
not much
crude geode
it's really not. the game is balanced around two slot early game which is why pre-wulfrum sucks ass
novel belfry
ffs discord decided to give up while I was writing down a suggestion
unborn locust
if you want wulfrum armor to be useful, the first step is not to "add a whole bo...
good point tbh
novel belfry
(Cuz the dd2 armors are fucking busted lol)
we can always nerf them in that respect then
unborn locust
me when something exists for *only* one phase of the game: <:hage:75910503886487...
wulfrum doesnt exist for even just one phase, i got it and then instantly replaced it because it sucked
small timber
gold/plat armor is extremely costly compare to wulfrum (because of how much gold you need to mine), so wulfrum still have its place, in your case: transition from no armor to gold/plat armor
so I suggest based your suggestion more around making wulfrum armor (or a new hardmode variant) hardmode viable
if that is your intention
unborn locust
a hardmode wulfrum enemy would be sick, but you are right, there is actually no need for a boss
small timber
ya, a boss is very hard to be implemented through suggestion, suggesting hardmode wulfrum enemy (or even just same enemy with buffed stats and new drop) is much more likely to happen
since currently all wulfrum do is to occupy spawn rate of other enemy in hardmode
unborn locust
wulfrum is such a good idea wasted on the fact that its pre eye of cthulu gear
crude geode
what
digital prism
i think they should implement wulfrum in some hardmode draedon recipes
crude geode
that's literally it's purpose. is to be early game gear
unborn locust
i am aware
west jackal
One outclassed by literally everything else except summoner
small timber
the suggestion is to give it a new purpose in early hardmode, and I think there is nothing inherently wrong with the idea, so I go on with helping to make it work
unborn locust
One outclassed by literally everything else except summoner
precisely
west jackal
jungle armor and ore armor
crude geode
wulfrum armor does indeed suck ass
unborn locust
the only thing i used wulfrum for actually was the summon for early game, but the squirells arent much worse
small timber
for melee and ranger it is ok, debately also ok replacement for rogue, desert prowler is super rng heavy for its effectiveness and melee I am not aware have class specific armor that early
jungle can be hard to explore early on, and wulfrum is basically transition to jungle armor
crude geode
wulfrum armor does indeed suck ass
does not mean the wulfrum weapons are pointless (staff is good option for summoners until mining can be done for gem staffs)
unborn locust
i could argue that something is way more powerful and relatively easier to get as a weapon but i litterally forgot what i used as my main weapon early game
small timber
most of wulfrum weapon is ok, at least good enough, considering you can get most of them like 5 minute into the game
you can literally have a wulfrum enemy spawn the moment you start a world and have enough surface lead/iron to craft an anvil
unborn locust
i could argue that something is way more powerful and relatively easier to get a...
ohhh yeah, i built up and found an enchanted sword in one of the planets, took me like 10 minutes tho
crude geode
wulfrum armor I despise (5 class helmets are cringe) so I'm not gonna go arguing on that point
small timber
enchanted sword shrine is more rng than you think, the shrine spawn is random in the world
unborn locust
oh i see
small timber
it can be at the ocean/sulphur sea or right above your head
unborn locust
for me it was litterally 90 degrees above spawn
imagine unstable wulfrum cores and you can make decent hardmode gear with them
small timber
so your suggestion literally do not have to be "based on adding a new wulfrum bo...
therefore put it in your suggestion, since that is the main point
if you want to make wulfrum useful in hardmode that is your main approach
(just don't put specific names like "unstable wulfrum core", just say make wulfrum enemies drop hardmode materials)
unborn locust
im sure i have to wait atleast a day before i suggest something almost identical
crude geode
you can just edit the suggestion
crude geode
(have you not read anything relating to pins here, or the pinned post in posting?????)
unborn locust
what pins
small timber
it would be amazing if there was a wulfrum boss, even if it was really easy, just for the sake of either lore or another way to get cool stuff (my suggestion is before EoW (Eater of worlds is too hard to kill and i had to get the hellstone sword to succesfully kill it) or shortly after WoF (Cryogen was really hard to kill for me, even though its the first hardmode boss)
and also this entire part of suggestion can be removed, it don't really help your case
just say wulfrum enemy designs are unique that they should not be wasted on their potential as just pre-boss super early transition weapons and armor while in hardmode all they do is occupy spawn rate, give them hardmode variant/drop so that they have use in hardmode
unborn locust
Yeah im rewriting the entire thing
Again
gray nebula
I stg you mfs are arguing about the "how" so hard when the "why" is still left unanswered
why should there be a hardmode wulfrum enemy
unborn locust
Because wulfrum is cool 👍
gray nebula
what does it bring to the mod
unborn locust
It being cool
unborn locust
Oh well, ill edit the thing anw because i do think wulfrum would be cool for hardmode
small timber
it is a uniquely designed enemy that serve 0 purpose after 1 hour into the game, with only purpose of occupying spawnrate in hardmode, and also something like this may help with the new hardmode progression retier
unborn locust
^^^^ he seems to phrase it better than me
crude geode
(me when something doesn't exist for the entire gameplay run like the super cool and super badass biome blade )
yall realize most shit in vanilla outside of like terra blade line doesn't really reappear right?
unborn locust
Why is it almost like theres an entire tribe for wulfrum but they are completely useless after a few minutes of playing
crude geode
zombies
gray nebula
why is there copper ore if it stops being useful super early on
it's meant to be an early game way to obtain items
gray nebula
it's also quite useful for summoner
there's 5 types for variety idk lol
adding a hardmode wulfrum enemy won't change shit
:meok:
like it'll literally not change anything about the fact its still useless for very long in early game
and it'd force us to make more wulfrum items just for early hardmode despite early hardmode not needing more content
unborn locust
Name all of them
crude geode
and it'd force us to make more wulfrum items just for early hardmode despite ear...
^^^^^^^^^^^
gray nebula
like
crude geode
We already have a bunch of swords that nobody uses + the hardmode ores that nobody uses half the variants of
gray nebula
I feel like you should just ask "add more wulfrum items for preharmode
unborn locust
They are visually unique but are actually the same
brittle pumice
no
gray nebula
"why : currently you don't have a lot of use for wulfrum after the first hour of gameplay but the enemies keep spawning. itd be nice to have a way to use all the wulfrum shards you collect"
brittle pumice
most have different health as well
gray nebula
there you go
unborn locust
They drop different loot and have different skins
Wulfrum enemies have 5 different types and each of them acts entirely different
Not to mention the poor wulfrum slime they completely abandoned 
brittle pumice
honestly i feel like adding more wulfrum content would just make early game more confusig
gray nebula
we already have concepts for some resource sinks for wulfrum dw
OK but why would I be better wulfrum stuff for late game
gray nebula
does late game need more wulfrum stuff?? does late game need more content?
crude geode
yeah resource sinks is like the only thing wulfrum needs
gray nebula
circular reasoning extravaganza
unborn locust
What is a resource sink
crude geode
something like torches for gel
brittle pumice
honestly i feel like wulfrum stuff should stay solidly where it is, maybe have like a wulfrum boss in phm or smth to slightly explain why they're there
crude geode
a way to spend your less useful resources (gel, wulfrum shards, etc.) on something more useful
unborn locust
A singular lore drop would suffice at this point
unborn locust
does late game need more wulfrum stuff?? does late game need more content?
Wulfrum needs more stuff
brittle pumice
the main reason wulfrum enemies feel so out of place is because they are a firm departure from standard terraria fare with literally no explanation
unborn locust
Yes exactly
brittle pumice
because for some reason the devs decided that having the robot enemies be made by the guy who makes robots wouldnt make sense
crude geode
the main reason wulfrum enemies feel so out of place is because they are a firm ...
man this terraria mod feels out of place from normal terraria.
unborn locust
I was unironically expecting there to be a whole huge wulfrum theme at some point the first time i played
gray nebula
I fucking hate how lore has ruined calamity
small timber
from the point of out of place not even really, draedon lab and in vanilla case mechs bosses do exist
crude geode
I fucking hate how lore has ruined calamity
this is why you're "reworking" ||deleting|| it right?
gray nebula
what's the lore for ark of the ancients who are the ancients
I am not touching the lore that's mrrps job
crude geode
lol
unborn locust
Honestly imo its either wulfrum gets cooler or removed
small timber
removed definitely no, it have a purpose (though only temporary), still a purpose
unless something is added to compensate (but why)
unborn locust
I really dont understand why there would be something with 5 different unique types without anything else but those 5 types
They even drop wulfrum banners like they would be useful
unborn locust
I see
unborn siren
Draft:
Reduce or remove the projectile blocking capabilities of Sepulcher
Currently, Sepulcher's ability to delete any piercing projectile only makes things worse for the classes that can't destroy the hearts quickly while barely affecting the classes that can. By not instantly deleting any piercing projectiles that hit Sepulcher, it would make the 2 Sepulcher phases a lot less tedious for the classes that can't destroy the hearts quickly.
cobalt pewter
does late game need more wulfrum stuff?? does late game need more content?
shoutout to capitalism for bloating post ml
:sungla
crude geode
I’d like to imagine that when resource packs manage to come out for calamity there’ll be a resource pack replacing Draedon with Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg
digital prism
does late game need more wulfrum stuff?? does late game need more content?
i just think wulfrum should be used for more hardmode/post moonlord recipes and i think the wulfrum enemies should have hardmode and post moonlord buffed variants like the corruption and crimson enemies
unborn locust
haha yes, so i am infact not the only person on earth who thinks that 
crude geode
why
unique vector
im going to cry
digital prism
it would be an improvement to wulfrum things but its not a necessity for the mod
its not the biggest problem
digital prism
its not needed
digital prism
im just saying i wouldnt mind if they changed it or not it wouldnt make much of a difference
unique vector
its like asking to make victide useable in postml items
crude geode
its like asking to make victide useable in postml items
Asgard’s Valor Line kinda sweating rn (Bc it’s a little cringe)
Byeah big agree
unborn locust
Victide is esentially dropped by a boss, therefor its perfect as it is
digital prism
its kinda like asking to make post scal hellstone useful
we dont need it and there is not realy a point to it
wulfrum is just to give a boost to players pre boss
unborn locust
Ngl cryogen and eow was more hell to beat than plantera or calamitas
digital prism
same for me but the more you do those fight the easier they become
unborn locust
I fought cryogen for hours
unborn locust
i swear to god those two are the only bosses ive seriously struggled with
crude geode
difficulty is subjective
digital prism
true words
unborn locust
nah, difficulty is the abyss
unborn locust
i went there without any gear, grabbed a bunch of scoria and went back home
digital prism
i usualy do that
but once i had to grind eydolon wyrm for a weapon to fight DoG thats the only time i prepared
unborn locust
Id gladly use any other weapon if it means i dont have to go back there
digital prism
it was death mode so i had to get as much op loot as i could
cobalt pewter
i swear to god those two are the only bosses ive seriously struggled with
get good
unborn locust
Oh i see
digital prism
we have established that
unborn locust
Same
digital prism
unborn locust
Only way to get bitches is beating the wulfrum boss
unborn locust
Cya, same
proper grail
@leaden fossil You need to have text in your suggestion underneath the title, otherwise it breaks the bot. Adding a little more explanation to your post would also be welcome
gentle fog
I literally used murasama for the hearts in my ranger playthrough lol
cobalt pewter
its 2am for me
@proper grail I already pinged them, they said it was late at night for them at the time, they might fix it soon
proper grail
Ah
glass echo
#suggestions-posting message just use the murasama it’s the best for taking out the hearts no matter what class you are imo
grim tusk
Dragon rage better
And each class has its own heart deleter
even multiple
Melee has those 2, pow and Exo blade
Ranger has magno, photo and chicken cannon
Mage has Climax, vortex, wand, tesla cannon, Crystal
Every summon is great vs em
Rogue has final dawn, supernova and celestus
unique vector
(tesla cannon is kinda ass on hearts)
exotic stag
rogue literally has its entire arsenal to fight scal.
crude geode
Melee has those 2, pow and Exo blade
Ranger has magno, photo and chicken cannon
...
Does Crystal or climax really count
For the majority of players
unique vector
(how does climax not count)
glass echo
Dragon rage better
Yeah but the point is that it’s not another projectile spam weapon and therefore not affected by seplucher
unique vector
trolled
grim tusk
Confused it with void vortex <:boohoo:792848211488407572>
Also VV was #1 heart killer in 1.4.5 lol
Mura was so overrated
Yea sure mura could oneshot em if close
VV popped em in 1-2 seconds at any range 
frozen hornet
VV my beloved
crude geode
Speaking of post ml mage weapons can shadowbolt get moved earlier in progression
frozen hornet
Which one is shadowbolt
Always confused it with shadowbeam or whatever it's called
crude geode
Yeh which is why it’s confusing
unique vector
i will think about it >:)
frozen hornet
Awesome
unique vector
btw
if any of you guys have any weapons post-WoF that you think should get visual upgrades or have more practical use, ping me with a list or something
that'd be mucho appreciative
id ask cmt but that requires me to ask cmt
crude geode
I’ll take a look in a moment
unique vector
yeye
crude geode
(If someone else doesn’t beat me to the punch)
unique vector
feedback from several people is helpful
frozen hornet
last I used Typhon's Greed is god-awful
brittle pumice
yknow something that kinda just wierds me out
frozen hornet
which is a shame since it's my absolute favorite weapon
brittle pumice
the sdmg and minishark upgrade trees are entirely separate despite sdmg basically just being endgame upgrade of megashark in vanilla like
same theming same functionality
never quite felt right to have two entirely separated crafting trees in calam for them
idk just some thoughts
crude geode
last I used Typhon's Greed is god-awful
Typhon’s Greed
That’s a melee weapon, unless you just wanted to talk about it in general
tardy smelt
~~id ask cmt but that requires me to ask cmt~~
is this related to early hm getting tinkered with bychance?
just wondering
brittle pumice
would be nice to see a CAR buff so it doesnt get immediately outclassed by shotgun
unique vector
this is related to me disliking a lot of current mage weapons
cobalt pewter
if any of you guys have any weapons post-WoF that you think should get visual up...
post wof, as in early hm but before any hm bosses?
unique vector
anything from post-wof to pre-dev tier
cobalt pewter
so basically HM onwards
crude geode
Pog
tardy smelt
ah
cobalt pewter
gotcha
unique vector
preferrably anything in HM rn bc im not gonna touch post ml stuff until i get HM stuff done
cobalt pewter
alright
tardy smelt
well mage is the class I know least about so uh can't really help here
unique vector
and yes im ignoring phm
cobalt pewter
Duke's Decapitator is the first thing to come to mind, it's quite an awkward weapon in my experiences of trying to use it
crude geode
That’s a rogue weapon
unique vector
thats not
cobalt pewter
wait
unique vector
come up with a list together and ping muh with it
cobalt pewter
I didn't read the mage part
unique vector
that'd be most helpful
crude geode
I will 👍
unique vector
thankies
cobalt pewter
I'll do it tomorrow then, it's late night here
unique vector
no rush yeah
cobalt pewter
maybe not much, but I have some things in mind
unique vector
this isnt gonna be an instant change
orchid turtle
I think it’s called serpents tide
That weapon sucks ass
The book that drops from sea serpents
unique vector
serpentine?
orchid turtle
It really just needs a damage buff
crude geode
more of a balancing thing than a visual thing cuz serpent's tide looks badass it just does like 2 damage
crude geode
(visuals are what we're concerned about)
orchid turtle
Still needs fixing
And the last suggestion was ignored because no one knows that weapon
unique vector
im not going over buffs
👍
im not touching the balancing of most weapons until we get around to mana system changes
to avoid double work
im only looking at visuals or practicality
aka "does this weapon feel cool to use in context of its tier" and "is this weapon easy/practical to use in different situations"
gray nebula
base damage moment
orchid turtle
Because it really is a cool weapon
unique vector
i actually have no idea how strong serpentine is ingame
i cant
tell with being told its base damage
lol
unique vector
i feel that would explain the low damage
sleek turret
Last time I used it was kinda dissapointing compared to other options avaiable
sleek turret
Although 'last time' was around 6+ months or so
orchid turtle
But it’s really only good on enemies with no knockback resistance
sleek turret
So I'm not sure
orchid turtle
Or worms
And by good I mean, you can use this to kill a posseced armor
That’s about it
Pulse pistol is a better option for start of hardmode
That’s how bad it is
exotic stag
yeah? theres weapons that barely do any damage too.
orchid turtle
So suggest they be buffed
sleek turret
You could compare the DPS values of other mage weapons vs Serpentine to add it in your suggestion.
exotic stag
No because their still intended to be used to obtain the other weapons
orchid turtle
A prehardmode draedon weapon does better dps
It’s useless
No other mage weapon I can think of for that stage is worse
exotic stag
its probably because of its details.
Homes on the mouse cursor and unaffected by gravity is good.
and five pierce targets.
spare prawn
Melee has those 2, pow and Exo blade
Ranger has magno, photo and chicken cannon
...
Supernova has the unfortunate downside of if the explosion would hit sepulcher it just doesn't happen
unique vector
anyway hi im back
orchid turtle
So one shot deals what, 50 damage? That’s if you keep your cursor on the enemy and it’s kinda slow
unique vector
@orchid turtle you should probably do some comparative testing between items at the same tier to have data to justify your suggestion for a buff
orchid turtle
I’ll do that when I get off work
unique vector
basing it off of anecdotal evidence alone doesnt tell us much
sure thing
let me know when you edit it and ill remove the exclamation
orchid turtle
I’ll even test it against pre hardmode weapons
grim tusk
if any of you guys have any weapons post-WoF that you think should get visual up...
All of the Death valley duster line, still walls of dust (visual)
Lashes of chaos (Inferno fork clone thats better, both)
Undine (better visuals)
Lazinator (sprite, visual)
Hematemesis (nerf dmg, upgrade visuals)
Plague staff (venom staff clone, both)
Starfall (visuals perhaps)
Miasma (visuals)
Downpour (both)
Serpentine (both)
Cosmic rainbow (both)
exotic stag
frostbite blaster
grim tusk
if any of you guys have any weapons post-WoF that you think should get visual up...
Vanilla: (more practicallity all of em)
All of the dungeon items
Staff of earth
Nebula pillar weapons
Plantera drops
Cursed flames
Rainbow gun
Venom staff
Poison staff
Laser rifle
grim tusk
~~frostbite blaster~~
Aint that ranged
unique vector
(what are all of the dungeon items)
theres no easy way for me to check that in the wiki
exotic stag
Aint that ranged
any post wof weapon.
grim tusk
(what are all of the dungeon items)
(Inferno fork, Shadowbeam, Spectre staff (the least godawful), Magnet sphere)
exotic stag
fossil finch
any post wof weapon.
No, onlt mage
exotic stag
No, onlt mage
it literally just says post wof
crude geode
(why are we visually upgrading vanilla weapons)
crude geode
that's a job for the cal resource pack
unique vector
lols
@exotic stag i made that comment in the context of the shadowbolt staff convo
im referring specifically to mage weapons
exotic stag
e
unique vector
idnc abt other classes rn thats too much for my lil brain to care abt rn
orchid turtle
Yeahs starfall is kinda awkward
grim tusk
which u think need better practicality
There
orchid turtle
It falls from your cursor not above it
exotic stag
anyway how about theee cursed flames book thing
unique vector
thanks
orchid turtle
Also the bow that upgrades from rainbow gun but is still a magic weapon
Visual is so weird on that thing
I don’t know how each of the rainbows knows where to shoot
Also it’s just 3 rainbow gun projectiles ducktaped together
grim tusk
anyway how about theee cursed flames book thing
Oh yea that too
grim tusk
Aint that ranger
crude geode
nope
eternal escarp
yeah i remember Serpentine being rather
very underwhelming compared to most picks on tier
i could try getting killtimes for your sugg if you cant bother right now, not sure how acceptable that would be
orchid turtle
That would be great
unique vector
added all ur stuff @grim tusk
grim tusk
👍
unique vector
just fyi, no promises that ill actually change everything you guys will list
orchid turtle
I won’t have access to my computer for like 6 hours
unique vector
bc some of these i feel ppl might disagree on but yeah
orchid turtle
Can you add cosmic rainbow for the projectile visual?
It’s just vanilla rainbow gun but 3 of them
unique vector
i did
orchid turtle
Ok
grim tusk
Vanilla: (more practicallity all of em)
All of the dungeon items
Staff of earth
...
Added 2 more shitty vanilla staves and shitty WoF drop
orchid turtle
Can you resprite vanilla items?
crude geode
Added 2 more shitty vanilla staves and shitty WoF drop
respriting vanilla items isn't a job for calamity, unless you're talking about the cal resource pack
grim tusk
respriting vanilla items isn't a job for calamity, unless you're talking about t...
No i meant for being more practical
grim tusk
Vanilla: (more practicality all of em)
unique vector
calval is in charge of that
eternal escarp
oh i see whats all of this is replying to
orchid turtle
I don’t even know how you would go about doing that
unique vector
i dont think we've ever like, fundamentally changed a vanilla items' functionality eiter
so i cant promise anything in that regard
crude geode
that's balancing lol
lucid flare
calval is in charge of that
no isn't that the
calamity texture pack
unique vector
i am NOT touching balancing
eternal escarp
personally id say stuff like, Megalodon could get something interesting as theres already 2 weapons on tier that do its exact gimmick
Chain Gun and P90
crude geode
personally id say stuff like, Megalodon could get something interesting as there...
mage
eternal escarp
(if this is the type of mentions you mean)
unique vector
not calval
crude geode
ye
crude geode
mhage
grim tusk
Yet another cryo visibility sugg
eternal escarp
then i think storm covered it all
unique vector
this is good
i can test if blue checks work
no this isnt good bc storm's list is a lot shorter than my mental list was gonna look like
lol
lucid flare
Yet another cryo visibility sugg
i don't remember the last time they suggested tha
still zodiac
Like a month ago or so, actually
grim tusk
no this isnt good bc storm's list is a lot shorter than my mental list was gonna...
Mhage is overall good
eternal escarp
specifically post WoF or more so HM in general?
stiff wren
i don't remember the last time they suggested tha <:HDfailure:482263678150770729...
few weeks ago
orchid turtle
I don’t know how feasible it is
grim tusk
specifically post WoF or more so HM in general?
HM
grim tusk
Also in post-ML its decent
orchid turtle
But a few weapons are just shadowflame doll but resprite
grim tusk
Until you get to pre-scal exos where there’s clear number one: helium flash (nerf pls)
orchid turtle
More range and through blocks that’s the biggest difference
grim tusk
mage is overall boring
Never said it was fun
orchid turtle
I like the functionality of the tendril weapons, but visually they are all the same
unique vector
fun fun fun fun
stiff wren
mage is overall boring
manamanamanamanamana
unique vector
basically: give me a list of mage weapons u think should get visual upgrades or become more practical in their use, preferrably HM only but anything post-ML works too, i just wont get to it right away
@eternal escarp
grim tusk
Also via infernum exos testing i can confirm old die is still dumb as shit
Even outside rogue
Esp on mage
unique vector
and now that im realizing this is suggs disc still
please from this point forward just ping me with a list in #calamity-mod-talk
and not here
eternal escarp
ill move my mini list there then when im done
orchid turtle
Ping you? Ok
unique vector
yesh
hollow shell
I assume Ham's sugg has already been talked about at length?
fossil finch
yes it has
crude geode
it kinda did
fossil finch
They already told them to get kill times or whatever
unique vector
basically: get tangible data to support the need to buff it
90% of the recent channel history was me rallying ppl to talk abt mage weapon changes
lols
crude geode
yeah it was
eternal escarp
oh right i wanted to
help him do that
hollow shell
I'll still say it
@orchid turtle Base damage does not equal power. There are a lot of different factors about a weapon that can allow it to deal respectable DPS even with a low base damage, such as fire rate, projectile count, pierce & repeat hits, i-frames, etc
It is far more helpful to provide Super Dummy DPS values and especially boss kill times, and compare them to other weapons at the same tier
orchid turtle
I’m at work
orchid turtle
I said I’ll do that when I get off
unique vector
(i pinged him already about it rover)
crude geode
pog blast
tbh boss kill times aren't always a good way to determine if a weapon needs a buff, mainly if it's a crowd clearing weapon like blast barrel. Blast Barrel is fantastic early hardmode for just dealing with like. every single mob lol, but it sucks against bosses because it performs well everywhere else.
Calamity's secondary name of Terraria: Boss Rush Simulator doesn't really help with that though
hollow shell
Yes that is true as well
We are indeed working on giving weapons more purpose beyond Boss DPS
So
iunno I guess you can also try Serpentine on the Pirate Invasion and see how it performs there?
unique vector
true!
so far ive heard that serpentine is shit bc it breaks on tiles
and relies too much on armor piercing to be reliable on stronger targets
orchid turtle
I found it did less damage then the best prehardmode stuff, but I can get numbers later
eternal escarp
alright so
ive only tested one boss yet, and its an unfair claim but
yeah even with how the weapon works this is absurdly terrible
2 Q 2 W 2 M
since Serpentine is a pre-all boss, im testing it rather pre-everything gear damage wise
i dont think i need to make a comparison, not specifically for twins, as its obvious the results are going to be really different
orchid turtle
Seriously try out pulse pistol (might not have the damage buff in twins for some reason?) and it will perform better
eternal escarp
now ill test the bosses youd expect it to be good on
hell i might be wrong aswell but im expecting it to stay rather ech
orchid turtle
Maybe not on twins but compare the two on any of the other bosses and it will do better
It’s an aerialite draedon weapon and it can outperform it. I used it to beat skeletron prime.
sleek turret
jesus fucking christ
stiff wren
8 MINUTES?!
eternal escarp
okay i had the patiance for Twins but not destroyer
im estimating a 10 minute killtime (adrenalineless and rageless, since testing with those would be rather not accurate)
this sucks both for the boss itself and his probes
this is where i gave up, if anyone wants to estimate it on their own
(fight speed mightve dipped since i have alt tabbed for a second)
sleek turret
I guess there's no need to test it anymore considering the results about the Twins
eternal escarp
no no there is
SPrime is much easier to hit (though still will suck ass)
im doing this so the point is fully proven
and because i enjoy doing these things
crude geode
probably should be tested against events as well considering it's about as much of a boss weapon as blast barrel is
brittle pumice
do ml with serpentine
eternal escarp
do ml with serpentine
when i mean these i mean checking a weapons viablity on tier, not funny challenges 
eternal escarp
probably should be tested against events as well considering it's about as much ...
and yeah this is a valid point
ill check that last
okay nevermind i died like 4 minutes in
didnt even kill the second arm
oh never mind it was
2 minutes in
but i think you can easily see where its going
the literal only thing that could MAYBE save this weapon is shark tooth necklace while spamming as many mana potions as you possibly can while both rage and adrenaline are active
aka this weapon indeed, terribly sucks
its not fast enough to keep with the bosses, has very low damage, and costs rather a lot of mana for a spammable weapon
all the things necessary to kill it completely
brittle pumice
i do agree that it should be tested on events first like
try it out on blood moon itll be even comically worse
eternal escarp
ill check it in theory for Acid Rain 2
amber copper
What weapon is this
eternal escarp
Serpentine
anyways this weapon has some redeemable qualities in Acid Rain, i guess?
it can stun lock singular enemies and kill them but it pretty much struggles if theres 3 or 4
pretty much overshadowed by litterally everything ontier
like another tome from the sunken sea, Poseidon
which does Serpentines job but better
or Slithering Eels which is unlocked right in the middle of the Acid Rain
crude geode
Indeed
eternal escarp
Spirit Flame does it better even, god
byeah, since i am not infact a tester for calamity, im not sure how my checks fare
i am NOT going to do a full 10 minute destroyer or a 8 minute SPrime rn since its rather late
but uh, @hollow shell do you count the tests and checks i provided as valid for their suggestion to use?
or would it still need a tester's opinion
oh i see you mentioned pirate invasion up there too
though id expect similiar results
of it having niche use but being pretty much completely overshadowed by stuff like Crystal Serpent, Relic of Ruin, Poseidon, Crystal Vile Shard...
hollow shell
Yes this is much more valuable data
They could/should be included in the suggestion
eternal escarp
👍
@orchid turtle then whenever you are free, you can take all of the points i provided and perhaps that Twin's killtime
glad i could help
orchid turtle
There we go
stiff wren
i cannot believe that blast uses luiafk and c***t sheet
now they are uncool and ungood and skill issue 😔
hollow shell
God damn it
Ideally the suggestion wouldn't mention base damage at all
because the DPS and kill times are the actual measures of weapon viability
crude geode
@orchid turtle see above
hollow shell
(I didn't want to ping because I didn't wanna seem like a
back seat suggester
overly nitpicky)
But
yeah, implying that you only looked at the low base damage muddies the issue
exotic stag
p90 is still kinda weak
royal tapir
P90 viable for Provi but ok
hollow shell
(That is better Ham thank you
Saw it now)
river glen
earnest raptor
The thing I noticed on this screenshot is 8 minutes fight
But max DPS being 3500+
Is this because of phase transitions?
small timber
no it is probably because the weapon is just shit
and considering it is "max DPS", it is like adrenaline too, so 3500+ top end damage with adrenaline (maybe rage)
earnest raptor
which does Serpentines job but better
Poseidon happily chomps destroyer
Even in malice
eternal escarp
and considering it is "max DPS", it is like adrenaline too, so 3500+ top end dam...
i did not use adren
its likel6 phase transition
likely just a bunch of serpents dealing like 1 damage on an immobile large target
its not dps per serpant but dps for a whole horde on an immobile target
which is, rare to have
ruby plover
does anyone know if the sound used by seething discharge, yharons kindle staff, and the exo mechs spawning is a vanilla or calamity sound?
ill get a clip of the sound rq
here it is with nugget staff
askin because I want to suggest that it's sound is made quieter, because using seething discharge or kindle staff sounds much too loud and jarring (and i dont know if this can be fixed, but the sound often cuts out on repeat item usage)
sleek wadi
Might be vanilla? I think one of the skeleton mages in the dungeon uses that sound effect
ruby plover
ill check too
sleek wadi
If not then its super similar
still zodiac
It sounds similar but
actually it's hard to tell since you spawned a bunch of son's there, but they sound alike
ruby plover
is it possible to have a sound use a different volume when its used in different situations (i.e. make the sound quieter when the kindle staff uses it, but not with the skeleton mage, if it is the skeleton mage noise?)
unique vector
p sure! since they’re on separate entities
tardy smelt
P90 viable for Provi but ok
yus P90 is stellar
distant gyro
askin because I want to suggest that it's sound is made quieter, because using s...
that sound is custom
lament cloud
exotic stag
#calamity-mod-talk is a better channel to ask that question.
exotic stag
@dusty path could use more reasoning. and also try comparing it to the other set bonuses to help your argument.
fossil finch
Also recordatory that that's wrong because it inherits the setbonuses of the previous melee sets
dusty path
Hold on...
exotic stag
also increasing defense? that'd just turn it into a reskin of early game armors but stronger
dusty path
Yeah, it should be documentated in there
exotic stag
~~and true melee is just 
~~
dusty path
In the bonus
fossil finch
I'm pretty sure it is in the page
It's just applicable to all of them so it's not listed specifically
still zodiac
none of the auric sets have an actual unique set bonus aside from the previous armors
cobalt pewter
Auric Tesla is dumb
still zodiac
it quite is indeed
stiff wren
Auric Tesla is dumb
we all know that
exotic stag
auric tesla is auric shittah
dusty path
Editing it rn
brittle pumice
auric tesla is hilarious to me bc the helmet that looks like it should be ranger is rogue and the one that looks like it should be rogue is ranger
fossil finch
auric tesla is hilarious to me bc the helmet that looks like it should be ranger...
That's just you lacking skill
What skill?
Idk you know you're the one lacking it
stiff wren
auric tesla is hilarious to me bc the helmet that looks like it should be ranger...
yeh lol
stiff wren
That's just you lacking skill
What skill?
Idk you know you're the one lacking it
calamity mod players
dusty path
Ignore i don't play the game lots anymore
Nah 
stiff wren
Ignore i don't play the game lots anymore
you dont play death malice armageddon 23/6? skill issue, unbased, cringe, opinion neglected
small timber
isnt the rest of the bonus literally just "Melee Tarragon, Bloodflare and God Slayer Effects"?
small timber
because the only thing that auric have that the mentioned 3 don't have is increase aggro, and healing orb
ya
grave zincBOT
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violet dagger
wow this is cool
eternal escarp
oo
now im interested, does this happen for other reactions?
like, flagging rejecting etc?
fossil finch
sounds like that could get spammy on peak sugg review time with a bunch of different suggs being approved byea
exotic stag
its probably doing what pixl does
lucid flare
<@310960432909254667> - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[**Dark...
a
well i guess
i didn't really need to make that suggestion
thank you catastrophe
inland saddle
now im interested, does this happen for other reactions?
Happens for all of them
inland saddle
sounds like that could get spammy on peak sugg review time with a bunch of diffe...
They will typically all get sent at around the same time, so it shouldn’t be intrusive to discussion
eternal escarp
They will typically all get sent at around the same time, so it shouldn’t be int...
oo
wromg reply fuck
but, oo
inland saddle
<@310960432909254667> - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[**Dark...
@unique vector if you didn’t see
inland saddle
Yeah lol
eternal escarp
lmao
eternal escarp
nooo i just found someone to listen to weapon rantings dont take them awayyyy
exotic stag
@teal moth reasoning and format.
also repair units are shit.
their just critter fodder.
exotic stag
its a useless robot that just clogs up critter space.
they dont even have a damn gold form.
safe oasis
@orchid turtle can you format your sugg to fit something that you no longer would be able to change
teal moth
But they're so cute
safe oasis
like you don't need to credit people or add the "Edit:"
exotic stag
But they're so cute
Nope. not good reasoning
safe oasis
capitalization is also weird, not sure what it's emphasizing
orchid turtle
I’m gonna lose my mind
exotic stag
Dw ham this is how we do things.
patent sundial
Nope. not good reasoning
yes you just suck at the game to not find them cute, i mean i'm godlike and now they're cute so cute repair unit pet that multiplies itself is cool because repair unit gang epic 😎😎😎
unique vector
wtf the bot stole my job
patent sundial
jk
unique vector
violet dagger
wtf the bot stole my job
the ai will take over the world
exotic stag
wtf the bot stole my job
just wait. soon its gonna exclam sugg's
anyway exclam the newest sugg.
unique vector
exotic stag
I had a mod approve my post
well you just have to remove "provided by blast" and "Edit:"
thats literally it.
violet dagger
just wait. soon its gonna exclam sugg's
that would probably take machine learning and a neural network or smth
unique vector
i just got back beisnekdd
exotic stag
that would probably take machine learning and a neural network or smth
~~sugg verification system ~~
unique vector
okay firstly
safe oasis
well you just have to remove "provided by blast" and "Edit:"
and the DAMAGE PERIOD whatever that is
patent sundial
pinkcle, whats the ! mark at a suggestion?
teal moth
pinkcle what do you mean with the exclamation mark
violet dagger
exotic stag
pinkcle what do you mean with the exclamation mark
Bad sugg. thats what it is.
unique vector
@patent sundial please read the pinned rules for suggesting in #suggestions-posting , that isnt a channel for discussing suggestions. this channel is for that
exotic stag
same with you @teal moth ^
teal moth
when did i discuss the suggestion
unique vector
@teal moth you should give your suggestion a proper bolded title like how every other suggestion is formatted, and explain a bit more to why you want a pet
doesnt need to be too complicated
exotic stag
when did i discuss the suggestion
"Read the pinned rules for suggesting"
fossil finch
its a useless robot that just clogs up critter space.
you're a useless person that just clogs up discord space
you can't even do unfairraria
get trolled
Also in general could just be not aggressive to people who post suggs that are wrong
just tell them their errors instead of shitting on them constantly please
exotic stag
you're a useless person that just clogs up discord space
you can't even do unfai...
i cant do unfairraria because i literally cannot comprehend code :<
and also i have no friends who can code either
sleek turret
Then learn how to code if you can't do unfairraria, simple.
exotic stag
" i literally cannot comprehend code"
fossil finch
it's
it's not harder to make for a summon weapon, a vanilla weapon already features wall climbing
exotic stag
ehh?
teal moth
it's not harder to make for a summon weapon, a vanilla weapon already features w...
i'm talking about multiplication
fossil finch
this is just a personal tale and you saying they're cute
nor say why there should be a pet
anyways calamity's vanities already has charletron which is literally a repair unit critter pet
lucid flare
they dont even have a damn gold form.
give em one
crude geode
wtf the bot stole my job
Suggestion Bot becomes Skynet
grave zincBOT
@grim tusk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
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crude geode
Woah
exotic stag
and its in action.
distant gyro
that was really instant
crude geode
We’re living in 2022 now baby
grave zincBOT
@merry robin - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Make more summon accessories vanity accessible]
It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
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distant gyro
equipping daawnlight in the vanity slot in particular will work
not sure about other ones
distant gyro
i dont think it was what you were looking for but im too fast at reading
grim tusk
Fuck didnt want to send the image lol
grim tusk
“All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one”
Also completed mark being pink now is cursed
grim tusk
It’ll take some time to get used to
distant gyro
everything else is handpicked by me and ozz
grim tusk
Oh tools finally got a color, nice
exotic stag
everything else is handpicked by me and ozz
can one of the colors literally just be red.
grim tusk
can one of the colors literally just be red.
Denied?
distant gyro
yeah, denied
grim tusk
tools is dev colored orange
If the color marks are based on role colors…
Does it mean that approved is dead inside and denied is untouchable
distant gyro
inland saddle
They are custom hexes
grim tusk
Makes sense
inland saddle
grim tusk
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583454457862422528/932525635585327114/unk...
And sent is wiki editor just like you
fossil finch
incompatible is absolutely cursed
distant gyro
lock is yes color
hollow shell
<@277328379538309122> - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[**Make...
Ah these are cool
Nice
fossil finch
Crying
violet dagger
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583454457862422528/932525635585327114/unk...
calamity mod 1.6 leak
west jackal
@woven nexus you gotta elaborate a bit and follow the format
exotic stag
also reverting future changes is a no.
distant gyro
no
the highest is exactly 400 on the dot
I don't expect you to
18/06/2020
that's like 19 months ago
violet dagger
well it does point down now
distant gyro
that's what the flag is for!
lucid flare
that's a very dumb suggestion to be the one with 400 stars (not that i don't agree i just think its silly lol)
half sage
it's something that literally everyone can agree on, thus it's likely to garner more stars
exotic stag
i cant agree on it. i liek ice arrow
lucid flare
it's something that literally everyone can agree on, thus it's likely to garner ...
eyah no i get it that's exactly why it got 400 stars
its just silly
jagged spade
literally one button click in whatever spriting software is used
fierce iris
maybe 2 if rotations are only 90 degrees and there's no vertical flip
silver silo
sometimes the smallest changes are the most important
jagged spade
maybe 2 if rotations are only 90 degrees and there's no vertical flip
well yes
brittle pumice
sometimes the smallest changes are the most important
see also thanatos eyes suggestion
violet dagger
maybe 2 if rotations are only 90 degrees and there's no vertical flip
its aseprite it is one button
also it wasn't even flipped it got a resprite that was flipped the right way iirc
distant gyro
it was flipped in 1451 then resprited in 1501
violet dagger
tbh I'd forgotten some of those updates existed
I only remembered the one that added ascended spirit essence
distant gyro
is it easier to call those two "rust and dust" and "draedon update" respectively?
literally the 2 biggest updates
distant gyro
troll
dapper coral
(i am the winner)
grave zincBOT
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gentle fog
not surprised
spare prawn
Make the terrarian start screaming in pain when the debuff sets in ez
tranquil folio
exotic stag
very true.
unique vector
so true
distant gyro
sweet silence
fossil finch
And for the first time in years, there was peace
grim tusk
So empty. Like myself
west jackal
How long you gotta wait to repost a sugg?
exotic stag
a week
distant gyro
no
west jackal
I think it has a good chance of being sent since it has over 200 stars
distant gyro
@unique vector repost banning when iirc
unique vector
(ask rover)
distant gyro
damn
grim tusk
time to ruin said peace since i found emyrian voring my buff slots while testing Providence annoying as shit
Buff Venerated locket
This item barely even adds to the dps compared to many accessories that can be acquired at the same time or even far earlier into the game (examples include: old die, ethereal exhorter, affliction, amalgam, glove of precision, and destroyer emblem) due to how badly softcapped it is, changing the item to not be crippled as much by the softcap or possibly even reworking it would allow it to be a more noteworthy to use on its tier again.
actually worth a sugg y/n?
grim tusk
venerated is shit lol
grim tusk
grim tusk
venerated + anything that spawns projectiles = op.
i only see ven locket being good with disk weapons, but yet it performs so poorly compared to other stuff
exotic stag
i mean
unique vector
okay nvm i was thinking of smth else