suggestions-discussion

[fallow hedge]

I will admit they are zzz yes lol

[sonic sigil]

i think im gonna think more about the aero dynamite stuff and come back to it later

[unique vector]

I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS

[sonic sigil]

what

[ashen warren]

Monkey costume
Angler gives a monkey costume after completing 50 quests
…..I want to at least be a monkey if I’m going to be called one.

[gray nebula]

pixl tweaking hard

[unique vector]

im FUCKING not ass hole

[sonic sigil]

tweaking you mean like tweaking aspects of the mod

[unique vector]

LMAO

[gray nebula]

also aero dynamite is funnier than skynamite

:/

i feel

[sonic sigil]

what!

[gray nebula]

cuz skynamite is just lazily putting the 2 words together

like haha. sky . sky namite

but aero dynamite is hilarious cu

z

AERODYNAM..ITE!!

(joker laugh)

[sonic sigil]

because it's a root and a word

[ashen warren]

[fallow hedge]

I do like what Cinders does and it would be nice to give Slime Puppet and Borealis Bomber something almost similar but how

[sonic sigil]

WAIT THAT'S A PUN FUCK

[gray nebula]

yeah

lmao

[unique vector]

epic and true

[sonic sigil]

suggesting a pun and i missed a pun

what am i

[gray nebula]

[unique vector]

the original name is an actual pun the name u suggested is kinda jus word mashing (i forget what the term is for that)

[gray nebula]

i thought you got it cuz like

your reasoning was "itd be a better pun" implying th current one was a pun (which it is

[exotic stag]

its called "combination"

[gray nebula]

portmanteau

frenc

[sonic sigil]

i assumed it was just like

[unique vector]

YES

that word

i learned that two days ago

[sonic sigil]

aero + dynamite

[unique vector]

im growing

i mean it'd be more obvious if it was Aerodynamite but one word is kinda weird

[sonic sigil]

i mean technically they're both portmanteaus because aerodynamic + dynamite = aerodynamite but

[fallow hedge]

I think I'm gonna nix my sugg, would try and figure out a rework for Slime Puppet and Borealis but

that would take a lot of brainstorming and possibly border on an exclamation

[sonic sigil]

this has kinda inspired me to try to actually rework

[gray nebula]

i mean itd be coolll

like idk imagine if like

like

YEAH

[sonic sigil]

wait what'd the actual name

[gray nebula]

imagine..

imagine if it was like.

[sonic sigil]

aero dynamite is the actual name right

[gray nebula]

i mean itd be kinda cool to have it work differently more like that and itd feel more summoner

[unique vector]

ltsfuckinggo

[gray nebula]

aero dynamite is the name

[unique vector]

we're hiring more idea workers

[sonic sigil]

ok

[unique vector]

get to it people

[sonic sigil]

add monkey

[unique vector]

no

[sonic sigil]

costume

not my idea

[unique vector]

its dead now

[sonic sigil]

murder

see the thing is I have many ideas it's just that they're either uninteresting or outlandish like 95% of the time

[fallow hedge]

hmm some gears are working, Slime Puppet could be more like an actual puppet you control

[exotic stag]

can we have my idea of dynamite gun

dyangun

(misspelt on purpose for no reason)

[sonic sigil]

i mean

[unique vector]

no

[sonic sigil]

mortars are a thing but

[unique vector]

your closest option to that is the flare gun upgrade

or mortar rounds

[exotic stag]

cringe gun and cringetar

[sonic sigil]

maybe i'll just scroll through the entire list of items in calamity and see what my mind comes up with

i do have the time and patience

[frozen hornet]

Takea look at ref rotor

[sonic sigil]

Refraction rotor?

[exotic stag]

(make biome blade not just "haha biome specific yet biome specific bosses exist and dont work well with biome blade so why use it)

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[sonic sigil]

ok i read the wiki page

[frozen hornet]

biome blad was reworked already

Apparently it's super epic pogger

[sonic sigil]

what's up with refraction rotor

[frozen hornet]

It's really bland

[sonic sigil]

it's star of destruction v2

[frozen hornet]

Indeed

[sonic sigil]

lemme look at it ingame

[frozen hornet]

It's faster which is nice

But it doesn't feel as satisfying to use as like

Celestus or nova

(nova isn't either but big boom is epic)

[sonic sigil]

Oh wow this weapon is very boring

[frozen hornet]

ye

[gray nebula]

biome blade being boring is mentioned

joker crazy laugh

[sonic sigil]

No no

[gray nebula]

Ehehehehe EHEHEHEHE

[sonic sigil]

Refraction Rotor

[gray nebula]

EHEHEHEHEHEEHEHEHE

[frozen hornet]

He meant the earlier thing

[sonic sigil]

It seems really bland for a post exo weapon

I'm gonna think about this and come back in a bit

[frozen hornet]

Awesome

yet another item removed from my ideas-hell

[exotic stag]

(okay but lemme go see my list of ideas)

(Which is a lot)

[gray nebula]

tell me what your ideas were

[exotic stag]

i have to go find them again

[gray nebula]

I need to know how hopelessly outclassed they are compared to what I did

[exotic stag]

i have like 60

[gray nebula]

no I meant altraxia about the biome blja

d

[frozen hornet]

I don't have ideas for biome blade

I meant ideas for suggs (that will never be posted)

And one of them was to make rotor as fancy as the other exo drops

[exotic stag]

(ok but really can we like change ele disk anyway. the things basically stronger then celestus if used correctly)

[unique vector]

what do you mean, biome blade is cringe?

[exotic stag]

(because here: Its ability is more used due to it being slower. therefore allowing it to spawn more. it infact does spawn WAY more. and in conjunction with other accessories the thing becomes about as powerful as a post yharon weapon)

[frozen hornet]

exo armor won't have multiple helmets right?

[unique vector]

not publicly known

[violet dagger]

"would be really cool" can people please read the don'ts

[frozen hornet]

damf

[unique vector]

probably shouldnt tie your sugg into future content anyway

yus

@distant fjord dont make suggestions on future content, also reasoning like doesnt explain anything

[grim tusk]

“It would be cool”

Instant sugg death

[violet dagger]

me when I press enter to early

was gonna say no need to exclaim it when the sugg bot already wants to kill it bc formatting

[frozen hornet]

Make exos drop exoptic staff

[grim tusk]

Sugg bot does not kill cuz formatting

It only delays em

[exotic stag]

(ah found my idea for an ele disk rework cause yes)

[violet dagger]

oh

[grim tusk]

❗ is :KILL:

[exotic stag]

here lemme uh

write it out rq

[violet dagger]

then it should probably get ❗

[unique vector]

it does have it

the wrench is the bot's auto flagging

[exotic stag]

turn Elemental disk into a projectile that acts like a flamethrower. Basically a giant disk that can inflict elemental effects rather then just being a funny lag machine thats more op then an exo weapon.

(wait why did i say basically twice)

there

[violet dagger]

oh so does it get delayed and then deleted

[frozen hornet]

Ele disk's funny duplicate is an upgraded version of terra disk's duplicates so you'd have to change terra disk as well

[inland saddle]

It does now

[exotic stag]

sure do that

(because genuinely. ele disk should not be stronger then the celestus)

[inland saddle]

If formatting is wrong and the 24 hours mark is hit then the suggestion is killed anyways

Bad formatting also accounts for titles with lengths that are too long

[grim tusk]

(And it isnt, may feel like it cuz RDR)

[cobalt pewter]

imo ele disk's stealth strike doesn't feel that different to base mechanically

at the very least Celestus changes its projectile behavior on Stealth strike

[frozen hornet]

But it's fun as fuck to use on provi

[sonic sigil]

alright so i have idead about refraction rotor but i need to think about it more

[grim tusk]

RR needs more to differientate its niche from celestus (of which it performs worse than cel)

[sonic sigil]

I wish I could articulate my ideas better

[frozen hornet]

I was thinking lasers because haha refraction

[sonic sigil]

alright here's an idea about it

[cobalt pewter]

Refaction Rotor as a whole was kinda lost cause imo

might need a complete rework in design because for something endgame it's really bland

and yes, Celestus is similar and probably better

[frozen hornet]

I haven't tested the dps difference since it's a pain to actually hit unlike cel

[grim tusk]

Cel is miles better

more dps, debuffs, better stealth, better pierce, better gimmick

[frozen hornet]

I did try it once like 2 months ago and it did alright damage

[sonic sigil]

Take any projectile shot by anything, when it passes through the rotor, let it keep going the way it was, make a clone of that projectile, multiply the damage by something (maybe 10 - 20x) and give it homing.
Give the rotor an accelerating shot so that it stays close to you for a bit longer to allow more projectiles to hit it.
Whenever it hits an enemy, let it emit flares of light (a bit like EoL's 'sun' attack) that have maybe 1/2 the weapon's damage but infinite pierce.

I need some advice on how this would feel to use, since I haven't used it for very long

but I feel like it would match the flashiness of other exo weapons

[frozen hornet]

I don't know if eating boss projectiles and belching it out is possible

Wait I think one reflect acc does it

nvm then

[sonic sigil]

it could also just be whenever a projectile hits it, release its own fast light projectile with homing

like not make it actually delete the projectile but just have a reaction to one

[frozen hornet]

Ye that'd be better I think

[sonic sigil]

the reasoning for taking the same projectile is reflections are similar to refractions and it would be a reflection of that projectile

Also I 100% agree for an upgrade to Totality Breakers, I used it once, tested dps, and dropped in instantly

[sonic sigil]

I kinda wish a dev was here to give some feedback on this

[frozen hornet]

Breakers already have an upgrade

[sonic sigil]

bounce some ideas between us

[grim tusk]

that sounds like a better Momentum capacitor

[sonic sigil]

no like buff the item

[grim tusk]

yea fucking Supernova

[sonic sigil]

i do not know what that is

i just started playing rogue and experimenting with it

[frozen hornet]

[grim tusk]

obscure, complete dogshit, rogue stealth accessory, sold by Bandit post-3 mechs

[sonic sigil]

(and i probably neglect bandit too much)

welp

[grim tusk]

and yea like guy said, i was asking for a buff, not an upgrade

[small timber]

just for confirmation since it is subjective to my own experience: is almost all post-ML rogue weapons (except some busted ones like Deep Sea Dumbbell) have very weak stealthstrike compare to pre-HM and HM?

or maybe final dawn but it is more tied to its iframe

[grim tusk]

nah

[sonic sigil]

wait how is that similar to the momentum capacitor

[grim tusk]

stealth on post-ML is mostly excellent

[sonic sigil]

mm actually i see it a bit

[grim tusk]

hm stealth is shit outside of few outliers like Cobalt kunai, Stormfront razor, momentum capacitor, Duststorm in a bottle and Sandslasher

[sonic sigil]

fantasy talismans

[small timber]

ok, just to get confirmation on people more experienced on rogue than me, since I was originally intending to suggest on slowing down post-ML mobile stealth gen but make stealthstrikes much stronger

since it can help balancing super strong stealthstrike like final dawn

[grim tusk]

fantasy talismans are sort of underpowered in stealth, but at least usable unlike many others

[sonic sigil]

i thought they were pretty solid but eh

[grim tusk]

that exists and is called not reforging stuff to silent

[frozen hornet]

Terra disk was pretty good

[sonic sigil]

anyway about post ml stealth

y

yeah

[grim tusk]

compare it to sandslasher

terra disk is pretty bad

[frozen hornet]

fair.

[distant gyro]

sandslasher is chad underrated though

[frozen hornet]

I forgot to get sandslasher

[distant gyro]

rogue balancing will probably flip on its head again anyway

[sonic sigil]

stealth is hard to balance

[frozen hornet]

Damn what's happening now

[distant gyro]

stealth charge time is being changed from 3/9 to 2.5/5 or something

[sonic sigil]

it's like having mana regen accs and the fuller your mana is the harder you hit

but to the extreme

[distant gyro]

what the final time will be is inconclusive but it will not be almost 1/3 of an adrenaline

[grim tusk]

the one stealth strikes that I can say that are shit on post-ML are: Celestial reaper, Elemental disk, Cosmic kunai, Deific thunderbolt, Sealed Singularity, Toxicant Twister and Tarragon darts (on anything that is not a worm or OD) and to some extent Wrathwing and Refraction rotor (they suck but at least usable)

everything else is

[distant gyro]

1/3 adrenaline is atrociously bad for balancing

[grim tusk]

wrathwing relies on enchantments to be good, RR is just kinda eh and pointless when you have Celestus

[small timber]

not necessary "sucked", but doesn't feel "impactful", I always feel like late game you simply have too high mobile stealth gen by default for just having the correct accessory (no reforge) and potion

instead of actually patiently waiting post-ML stealth just feels like have an attack speed delay

[grim tusk]

didnt feel like it was too much stealth unless i min maxed specifically for it

[distant gyro]

also yes

DGS is way too impactful that it's practically the yoyo bag of stealth

[sonic sigil]

it's like almost 3 seconds endgame right

[sonic sigil]

100% agree

[grim tusk]

Ruin medallion*

[distant gyro]

that is addressed some time soon

[sonic sigil]

both

[distant gyro]

whatever gives you 50scost

all of them

[small timber]

ya for some reason dark god sheath give 100% crit on top of what it already does

[sonic sigil]

keeping 50% stealth is wayyyyyyyyyyyy too strong alone AND it has other effects

[grim tusk]

pretty overkill

[frozen hornet]

half of those I found good

[distant gyro]

turn the upgrade cost into 75/70/65/60

[grim tusk]

i tested em all (except post-DoG, but i did test those on Exos) and those were my conclusions

[grim tusk]

what about clockwork weps?

maybe them having less stealth cost?

[sonic sigil]

man this really is a massive discussion huh

[grim tusk]

most clockworks kinda suck, the only ones that feel good are Utensil poker and Exe blade

[sonic sigil]

just about everything

[small timber]

also I think it is agreeable that Eclipse Mirror is the most bad shit crazy bloated accessory out there

[distant gyro]

clockworks have their own issues

[grim tusk]

ye

[distant gyro]

mainly that they anti-synergize with speed gloves

as in they literally don't work with speed gloves

outright disabled

[small timber]

imagine if elemental quiver or something just have master ninja gear for no reason, that is about the same level as eclipse mirror

[grim tusk]

(to prevent inf stealth)

[distant gyro]

yes

which the reason originates from having 50scost in the first place

if it was higher than 50 you would never be able to execute inf stealth strikes

[grim tusk]

sheath line as a whole needs a nerf

+20 stealth adds a fuckton of dmg

[sonic sigil]

sheath 1 is pretty fine

everything else though

[grim tusk]

its not lmao

[distant gyro]

what happens when a clockwork weapon has 50scost is that it keeps on assuming that you have 50% stealth

so it continues to do stealth strikes

[grim tusk]

when i used sheath over mirror while testing Inf Wof it died far faster

and when i had both

lets just say it got melted

[sonic sigil]

wait sheath 1 is better than mirror for damage?

[grim tusk]

yep

[sonic sigil]

mmm

[grim tusk]

even better than old die for dmg

i could see the guaranteed crit and faster regen while not attacking gone

maybe sent to other accs

like Spectral veil

[sonic sigil]

i feel like we've gone very off topic for this channel

[small timber]

spectral veil at least have a usable function now that NR is 15sec

[sonic sigil]

do you wanna move to #calamity-mod-talk and keep this discussion going

[grim tusk]

and picking what you want to dodge

[cobalt pewter]

so less gaps between moving and standing?

rn it's 300% difference, the new one would just be 200%

[distant gyro]

yes

[sonic sigil]

and also faster in general i think

er

is it 2.5 / 5 generated per second or

[cobalt pewter]

definitely would make stealth generally faster to use even early game

[sonic sigil]

like what is it

[cobalt pewter]

probably cutting on the time discrepancy across progression

which is good

i think

i haven't redone my cal pt

[small timber]

my concern is: should stealth strike have that much mobile stealth to begin with? I know there is a gameplay balance aspect of it (staying still = not good)

it just dump down stealth too much to just attack speed delay

[distant gyro]

first number is how many seconds to charge while standing

[cobalt pewter]

there's still a significant benefit to briefly standing still with stealth, and unlike mana the difference hits almost immediately

[distant gyro]

second is that but moving

[cobalt pewter]

standing still with stealth has been an opportunistic bonus more than anything

[distant gyro]

stealth is not a stat like mana

increasing stealth via means like silencing sheath is just a fancy way of saying "increased damage"

it will always charge in %

[hollow idol]

not that it really matters much but unlike the old sugg bot, average users can add to existing reactions

@ashen warren dead

[distant gyro]

go bonk someone about perms

are you sure that's not just your thing

I'm not bothering to log on my test account to find out

[distant gyro]

oh that doesn't matter

@grim tusk there was a discussion in the dev server about that literally 4 hours ago

[grim tusk]

aint this server's opinion independent from Dev?

[grim tusk]

and I dont know what happened there so

[distant gyro]

just pointing that out that it's probably happening already

not that it's invalid

[grim tusk]

Well good to hear

[cobalt pewter]

keep in mind that Glove of Precision has practically no downsides as a stealth rogue

[violet dagger]

lmao that free nitro scam existed for less than a second

this server has really good bots for dealing with that

[cobalt pewter]

I mean, it's just a complete link blacklist with some whitelist

not the most groundbreaking solution, but the most effective

[violet dagger]

well it literally flashed in and out of existence

I've never seen a bot that fast

[radiant meadow]

What if glove of precision prevented stealth strikes

[cobalt pewter]

ayo?

preventing stealth strike use or preventing stealth strike effects on weapons?

@clear spindle br music is on the works

[clear spindle]

o

[cobalt pewter]

in fact, music for the first 2 tiers has been done

check CDMusic

[clear spindle]

still gonna make a fantrack cus why the fuck not

[gray nebula]

mfw "new music" apparently now equates to "overhaul"

[clear spindle]

i stupid

[eternal escarp]

there are 3 yeah

atleast publicly

also even though the whole last suggestion is in the works

the "well without ares" comment is unnecessary

[clear spindle]

that was a joke

[cobalt pewter]

oh ya 3

my b

[eternal escarp]

yeah but if the sugg was to theoretically pass

itd more so be an annoying side comment to some

[clear spindle]

fr how did i never notice the 3 finished boss rush themes

this is why i wear glasses

imma delete that to make the actually good suggestions easier to see

[frail mantle]

Yea no boss rush music is coming when Charlie finishes the last two tiers

At the moment though Draedon’s theme takes priority

[tranquil folio]

DRAEEEEEDON

just be patient

good food takes time you know

[brisk bramble]

Top 10 Hamburgur

Number 10

Calamity mod hamburger

[stiff wren]

Number 1
Crazy hamburger

[cobalt pewter]

@merry robin ew anime jokes aside, I think it's a good suggestion on DSO in particular since the anime girl doesn't do anything, but I'm not sure how accs like HotE and Fungal Clump would work as purely vanity

[frozen hornet]

I'm pretty calval is working on doing that

[cobalt pewter]

ahh

[frozen hornet]

from earlier today

not sure if it applies to DSO though

[honest isle]

@merry robin spoiler alert: upcoming

[merry robin]

I see

I was disappointed tbh when heart of the elementals can go passive and be extra pets but not the literal anime girl that does nothing

I just wanna vibe with whatever she's listening to for her to move like that

[honest isle]

RODEO GIRLS ／ FGO Saber Wars 2

[small timber]

@tidal crypt since seemingly no one mentioned it, that already will happen next patch

[cobalt pewter]

I didn't remember whether that will happen ye, hence why I kinda ignored it

[tidal crypt]

Ok thx, I will erase it then

[small timber]

ya I had an exact same suggestion before, it got flagged as done

and changelog do mention it

[grim tusk]

Thats a Calamity’s Vanities feature

[merry robin]

I see

[novel belfry]

I have never seen that 🗜️ emote being used to react to a suggestion before

what does that even mean?

[exotic stag]

sugg is too short or too long

[cobalt pewter]

the formatting is incompatible for the bot

basically instead of using line breaks (Ctrl + Enter on PC), they just added spaces

[exotic stag]

no.

@wraith heron reverting old content. no.

[wraith heron]

why not the yharon phase was so fun before

[exotic stag]

it was removed for a reason

and shouldnt return

[wraith heron]

do you know the reason?

[distant gyro]

you can oneshot yharon at 11% health

and that simply skips the entire phase 2

[crude geode]

DoG’s second phase still exists, it just doesn’t have separate health bars

Same with Yharon

[wraith heron]

it was personaly more fun for me when yharon ran away first time

[half sage]

ah yes, doing half of a boss fight, then having to go do an event to unlock the rest of the boss fight, peak game design

[distant gyro]

for dog it didn't make sense for the boss to "die"

dog never died

[wraith heron]

i kinda liked that :o

[distant gyro]

he goes through a portal to prepare himself for phase 2 because that makes sense

[wraith heron]

idk maybe it was like his projection first phase

and then the real deal

[cobalt pewter]

aside from this, the way Yharon's phases worked also made his effective HP confusing to most

[fossil finch]

Me when the boss actually has 8m hp

[golden tulip]

dog is more awesome now wym

[frozen hornet]

He's a little tiny bit too tanky now imo

that or rogue just sucks on DoG

[novel belfry]

it would be cool if you actually had to encounter yharon early on in post-moonlord to continue, but have him simply escape in the first boss fight
and once you defeat doggo and provi you can actually fight yharon for real

[ashen warren]

that makes no sense

[eternal escarp]

wait i dont understand the sugg, did people already point out that yharon practically is the same just has more HP rather then healing?

[cobalt pewter]

that doesn't make a shred of sense indeed

[exotic stag]

[cobalt pewter]

I think people like

[crude geode]

Yep I did

[cobalt pewter]

just didn't read it

[ashen warren]

also i thought suggestions to undo changes like that werent allowed

[cobalt pewter]

but yes

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[cobalt pewter]

in the way that it's worded, yea

[ashen warren]

oh so its one of those dumb rules that just mean you have to word it differently

[cobalt pewter]

I mean

if your intention of the sugg is still the same

[crude geode]

someone should ping a mod like @civic pond if they really are concerned about it rn.
(Context for Blast, most recent sugg about reverting the weird second phase health change for Yharon and DoG is a don’t)

[cobalt pewter]

there are 2 blasts

death

[eternal escarp]

trolling

[crude geode]

we do a little bit of it

[ashen warren]

[serene slate]

I do wish it had a separate health bar, like different phases in other games have separate health bars

[eternal escarp]

im still the original-er blast iirc
byeah

[ashen warren]

i mean its not wrong that the ph2 transition for yharon is

bad

[serene slate]

Oh for sure

[eternal escarp]

it was moved to a single health bar for game design reasons iirc

[serene slate]

I meant for dog

[cobalt pewter]

the transition should definitely be shorter for dog

[ashen warren]

for dog its not really that bad

[cobalt pewter]

i mean

yharon

fucker

[eternal escarp]

so it isnt a "surprise once and annoying later" and maybe its just better code wise

[serene slate]

Mainly because you think "oh I'm about to win" and then there's a phase 2

[cobalt pewter]

yeah yharon should definitely have a shorter phase transition

[ashen warren]

its the same entity just going into his den to put on his big boy pants

[serene slate]

Catches players who go in blind off guard

Which is nice

[cobalt pewter]

that not existing is the same reason cal clone's fakeout phase was removed: it serves no purpose after the first time

[serene slate]

It's cool

[cobalt pewter]

it's not strong enough of a reasoning

cope harder

[ashen warren]

dog is fine

[cobalt pewter]

[serene slate]

Maybe you should cope yourself MCU fan

[crude geode]

very cool, very epic argument reasoning

[ashen warren]

the current dog ph2 transition makes more sense than the old one

[crude geode]

anyways

[ashen warren]

but the yharon one is just lame now

[crude geode]

Yeah current ph2 makes more sense

[cobalt pewter]

Yharon one definitely needs tweaks

[ashen warren]

reverting

[cobalt pewter]

zamn

[ashen warren]

it needs something to warrant the cool music change

not just

glowing annoyingly long invul phase

in which you cant even ram him so you have to just run

[serene slate]

Yharon should become 2x as big in phase 2

[crude geode]

(If you give it to him though it also adds the confusing ability of “randomly healing” to Yharon the jungle dragon’s already confusing abilities)
It definitely is weird for sure.

[ashen warren]

thats just stupid

[serene slate]

And healing isn't?

[ashen warren]

isnt he a phoenix

[serene slate]

No

He's a dragon

[ashen warren]

could be the same thing in terraria lo

[serene slate]

Fuck lore

[cobalt pewter]

Yharon is a dragon, apparently

[serene slate]

Literally

[crude geode]

Phoenix
Yharon the Jungle Dragon
Bit weird

[ashen warren]

besides wasnt there that thing that he cant die perminantly if yharim is alive

[cobalt pewter]

I'm disregarding the jungle part of its title because it doesn't make any shred of sense

[ashen warren]

its funky

[serene slate]

Look at the name of his song

[ashen warren]

which isnt canon at all

[crude geode]

It’s really dumb (similar to Polterghast)

[serene slate]

It's because yharim is the jungle tyrant

[cobalt pewter]

jungle dragon sounds stupid, tbh, like

[ashen warren]

yharon, nugget dragon

[cobalt pewter]

if it's something that's more directly related to Yharim, it'd be more reason

able

[crude geode]

jungles and fires tend not to coexist very well, if my math is right

[cobalt pewter]

jungles are weak to fires

[serene slate]

And?

He's the jungle dragon because he burned down the jungle once or something idk

[exotic stag]

ah yes he burnt the jungle

let him do it again

[cobalt pewter]

the lore is irrelevant

it's outdated and bad

[serene slate]

I know nothing about the lore of calamity because I think it's stupid

[cobalt pewter]

and ought to be reworked """soon""""

[serene slate]

It should be removed outright

[frail mantle]

yharon is a wacky zany phoenix fire dragon thing

[crude geode]

Also I really hate the “jungle tyrant” part of Yharim’s title because it adds more shit to the jungle when it absolutely doesn’t fucking need it

It’s already like half of hardmode and prevelant in pre-hm cmon

[crude geode]

Yharon is a mess of theming

[serene slate]

My idea

Remove yharon and yharim outright

[fossil finch]

[serene slate]

Make the yharon boss "mother dragonfolly"

There

Fits with the jungle now

And it's pissed at you because you killed it's child

[fossil finch]

Failure.

[serene slate]

Fine

Better idea

Crabulon has evolved into a dragon

[ashen warren]

thank god you arent in charge of mod decisions

[crude geode]

(Blocking is a really cool feature of discord)

[cobalt pewter]

(kinda cringe on mobile tho)

[boreal shoal]

||1.6: Calamity port to 1.4.0 terraria
1.7: Yharim update||

[serene slate]

I have a feeling not much would change in terms of bad game design

[ashen warren]

🔬

[fierce iris]

yeah i could see this happening

unless the two happen at the same time

[novel belfry]

i don't really think so

I'd say the 1.4 port takes priority since the devs have to rebalance the entire game since 1.4 also does some serious rebalancing already
i don't think Yharim will come the same update

[frail mantle]

the 1.4 port won't be a major update in terms of new content probably

[crude geode]

Late HM will get more bloated than it already is

Thanks to EoL

[novel belfry]

(time to insert move astral infection to post ml sugg)

[crude geode]

Astral infection is…ok where it is

Post Golem is a major problem since uh

Duke Fishron
EoL
Plaguebringer
Ravager

All of which become irrelevant when you then kill cultist

[eternal escarp]

insert the

LC needs to be considerably harder so the 4 bosses dont become useless in the grand scheme of things

or well, currently 3

byeas

[crude geode]

Or ravager can be moved because he’s such a fucking weirdo

[eternal escarp]

post provi ravager sugg

[novel belfry]

personally i don't think it is okay where it is
it appears at the same time the hallow spawns and the expansion of the world evil

it would make a lot more sense spawning after moon lord, since yknow, the lunar events and stuff

[crude geode]

“Expansion of the world evil”
or, yknow, the adding of souls of night and nothing else.

(Besides a handful of enemies)

[novel belfry]

i was referring to the physical expansion

that's 3 "infections" appearing at once

that's a bit much

[crude geode]

2 really since the evil biome is there from the start
Astral Infection is already getting some work done for next update, at least the underground section.

You still also have this “expansion” problem post ml, though slightly to a lesser extent, with the dungeon and hallow both receiving new shit.

[novel belfry]

at least in post ml its kinda lesser since hm is so big

couldn't even fit all bosses in a single image

[crude geode]

Are we still considering Sentinels minibosses/not full bosses for fuck’s sake

[novel belfry]

well they are still content

[small timber]

another approach (though undesirable), is just nerf moon lord's stats so that pillar weapon can be about post-Golem tier

that way all post-Golem bosses dont immediately become irrelevant as soon as LC is dead

[fossil finch]

That'd just be an absurd balance mess?

Fuck no

[unique vector]

moment

[crude geode]

(Agree)

I don’t think there’s really a easy way to “fix” the late half of hm

[spare prawn]

İ mean

You could buff ml and cultist and pillar weapons

Then split the post golem tier into a pair of tiers

Like PBG and ravager, and then AD and fishron

[small timber]

The problem is (gameplay wise) AD is basically ML equivalent

So even that will be hard to work

[brisk bramble]

M8 its harder than it looks.

Easier said than done

A change like that can cause a butterfly effect

Im suggestin that
With every upgrade on the code breaker
The encryption becomes faster n faster or smthin

With the auric cell being the Maximumer

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message

[brisk bramble]

I see.

Well then

[spare prawn]

Link no worky

[crude geode]

(Blame mobile)

[quaint kernel]

i kinda wanna add a suggestion to be able to still be able to get legendary items in death mode but theyre more common in malice mode but i have a feeling itll get declined

[fossil finch]

lol

[gray nebula]

Malicious

this is making me feel. malicious

[exotic stag]

imalicious

[quaint kernel]

oh lol

my bad

[wise raven]

deus is significantly easier though

[small galleon]

is it a bug that i keep dying to ever single boss

[exotic stag]

no

[small galleon]

i wish it was

[unique vector]

when the old suggestions are being sifted through and being approved/denied!

[fossil finch]

Lo

[proper axle]

Deus is way easier than ml now. I like it

[crude geode]

Deus is more fair imo. Moon Lord is a massive clusterfuck of a fight.

Was in vanilla and continues to be in calamity

[violet dagger]

moon lord is just bad a lot of the time

[proper axle]

Should i go vibe check PG and Ravager rq?

I beat aureus and deus back to back

[violet dagger]

the only good version I've seen of him is the infernum mode one

[proper axle]

Yeah >20% dr and >100 def and got killed in three hits for moonlord

[crude geode]

#calamity-mod-talk or #help-advice-read-pins

[west jackal]

And people say that defense is good in calamity

💀

[proper axle]

I mistook this for another chat

MF ||my fault||

[unique vector]

suggest ways to improve it besides flat buffs instead of going into every chat to complain unproductively @west jackal

[west jackal]

One is to completely remove defense damage or nerf it hard but I can’t see that happening

And to tone down the damage a bit from bosses

Those are like the big reason it’s stinky rn

[unique vector]

do it through suggestions posting

[small timber]

I know this is abit off topic, but defense is good post-ML (pre-ML only becomes good after LC with absorber)

People just go "half tank" and say that defense is useless, the only time defende is useless is death malice due to absurd stats (or too high expectation, defense is more room for mistake not immortality)

Oh wait it is not even off topic there is a suggestion

[west jackal]

lmao

I feel that you shouldn’t have to go full tank to reduce the amount of hits by a couple

[small timber]

The "by a couple" you say means a lot

Because DR especially you can overcapped over its softcap, if you full tank you still have softcapped dr after taking defense damage

Without full tank your dr dropped significantly after taking damage

The thing is (for average player that is not nohitter), quick is not that useful post-ML and menacing (or any damage really) get offset by RDR, so the objectively best choice is almost always warding if you keep getting hit

[west jackal]

I believe that dd works through prehm and hm but when you get to moonlord it’s not great

[small timber]

Pre-HM is fine (you have way higher defense number than damage except like slime god contact), HM most enemy do not really do super high damsge (except levi and ravager)

Post-ML defense gets really good if you go full tank

Post-ML defense is so good to the point that if DD is to be removed then it has to be nerfed

[west jackal]

My point is that a normal melee loadout shouldn’t be dying about as fast as the other classes

[small timber]

In calamity melee is not inherently much tanky than other classes outside of bloody worm scarf (1 accessory)

[west jackal]

Which makes it bad for true melee

[small timber]

Because melee is basically projectile mage, in vanilla you have the illusion of melee being tank because of end game armor of beetle and solar, in calamity you progress pass that

[west jackal]

True melee though is fucked over

[small timber]

True melee is not supposed to be a 100% balanced class, the only thing calamity does is give you more range and super high damage

It is up to you to take full potential on it not necessary calamity's job to give you the defense to tank bosses directly

[hot zephyr]

defense imho is currently really viable
buffing it even more will end up removing all risk factor from using true melee

[cobalt pewter]

true melee shouldn't be purely tanking 100% of the time

[west jackal]

Yeah but that’s not my point

Shouldn’t be a free godmode

[small timber]

With full tank you take around 320 in scal bh1

And you have 1k life

[hot zephyr]

you also probably shouldn't exclusively be using true melee, rather mixing both projectile and true depending on the situation but haha class challenge funny

[west jackal]

I just feel that dd is artificial difficulty

[cobalt pewter]

true melee broadswords is the way of melee, projectile broadswords can go fuck themselves

[small timber]

It is artificial difficulty if calamity just slapped it on, currently it is not because before DD exist ALL defense get buffed

With the exception of gs/silva revive

[cobalt pewter]

DD is to counterbalance defense buffs in cal ye

primarily to get rid of facetanking as well

[small timber]

My only complaim will be that they put too much defends on having absorber/sponge

[west jackal]

Then why did they buff defense in the first place if they were just gonna nerf it again with dd

[small timber]

That they have to take away from other items

So that you can be tank without being luigi% (sit still facetank)

[cobalt pewter]

ye

[small timber]

DD do not do anything if you dont get hit too frequently in a short time frame

[cobalt pewter]

you're still encouraged to dodge, but taking damage overall will be less punishing with more defense

[small timber]

The point of defense is more room for error, not immortality

[west jackal]

The damage stacked with debuffs makes defense a basically useless stat

[small timber]

Debuff have 0 effect.if you dont get hit a second time before it expires

Unless you count the burn of cursed inferno

[sleek wadi]

Defense is great this patch, source: Dude who did tanky true melee first run

[west jackal]

And most of the bosses do damaging debuffs

[hot zephyr]

mathematically defense is great, especially now

post-DD, defense is actually meaningful

especially compared to prior versions & vanilla

[sleek wadi]

You can't facetank yes but if you aren't trying to do that DD is almost not a factor

[small timber]

Damaging debuff have 0 thing to do with DD or defense, the only one that actually do is dog whispering death, exo cursed flame and scal vul hex

[hot zephyr]

there's a skill floor with defense damage though, if you're getting repeatedly hit it's going to hurt

[small timber]

Basically you dodge like normal, defense is so that you only take a small hit if you get hit

Do no expect to be able to sitstill and tank for that to be the only time when "defense is viable"

[hot zephyr]

i think the most meaningful suggestion one could make on the topic of defense in general would be requesting a change to the time it takes to regain defense

[small timber]

It is already really fast tbh

[sleek wadi]

Knowing when DD is regened would be nice

[hot zephyr]

I can't speak for the other testers/devs but requesting massive changes to stats post-ml seems unlikely after post-ml rebalancing was the biggest bottleneck for 1.5

[sleek wadi]

Perhaps a shield icon next to your healthbar thats intact when no DD and broken when you've taken DD?

[hot zephyr]

DD QoL sounds nifty

I'd suggest that

there is currently a sound but it's difficult to hear in combat scenarios

[small timber]

The only one that I see massive complain is scal, since I always go tank (bad at games) it dont feel much, but apparently scal oneshot people

[cobalt pewter]

visual cues will always be significantly better than audio cues

provided there are space for them

[small timber]

But I feel like exo mechs damage is way more absurd

[hot zephyr]

for my share of exo-mech balancing I was running a half defense, half damage setup and it was pretty viable from my experience

(as was pretty much everyone doing exo testing because we balance around a generalist build instead of something hyper-specialized)

[cobalt pewter]

audio cue is not something I'd really rely on in Terraria, where music and wepaon sounds and boss sounds and whatever the fuck are meshing horribly to the point that audio cues would barely show up within the clusterfuck

[small timber]

Ya it is viable, but for reference exo mechs do about same damage as scal except moon and bh1, on normal projectile

[silver silo]

The amount of times I see people say defense sucks because of a mechanic that is only relevant if you’re bad or face tanking is amazing

[hot zephyr]

honestly most of the complaints I see are just a result of people not understanding the changes and the reasons behind them

that's 95% of the complaints I've seen from 1.5

[west jackal]

Also it’s cause calamity bosses are not the best at being fair 💀

[silver silo]

“Why scal nerfed”

[hot zephyr]

providence is way more fair than skeletron prime lmao

[west jackal]

More bosses should be like prov and ceaseless void

[small timber]

Basically no face tank bad, the other 50% is that they think DD is slapped on without acknowledging defense is buffed

Please no more bullethell bosses, we have the fair share of it

Yharon is already half bullethell

[hot zephyr]

bullet hell is such an arbitrary term

[west jackal]

Prov is barely a bullethell

[small timber]

Then scratch that,mass projectile movesets

[west jackal]

if it is similar to etg it’s a bullet hell

[small timber]

Now even dog is becoming more laser wall than anything else

[west jackal]

Dog needs a serious buff

The player isn’t fair to dog lmao

Yknow I only made the dd suggestion cause a mod said to

I think it’s more a problem with the bosses and not defense tbh

[small timber]

My advice id try to go full tank, enter a fight then see if it is "not viable" (and no facetanking still not going to happen)

[west jackal]

But you can’t just make a suggestion saying, fix the bosses

[small timber]

The only one that have a problem with "boss design" that need fixing is exo mechs because you need to pay attention to 7 things at once, I dont see others even close to your complain of "fix bosses"

[west jackal]

They have lots of problems but I’ve seen some get better

[small timber]

Your complain was about defense not how good a boss is, so I only address that front

[west jackal]

Yeah I’m gonna just delete the sug

[hot zephyr]

Why

[languid quartz]

@distant gyro how's 1 sugg per hour going so far

:)

[distant gyro]

61 left

[languid quartz]

is it somewhat manageable?

[distant gyro]

could've been worse

[languid quartz]

[hot zephyr]

It's fun

Every hour my phone rings so I can vote

[frozen hornet]

So how does the new suggbot work?

[unique vector]

uhh

rover will write a desc next friday once its working normally

oh wait nvm scratch that

right now its sending every suggestion thats 160+ stars between when the starcount got raised to 270 and when the bot initially went online

which was ~120 ish

but normally it would, every friday morning est, send every suggestion above the 20% starcount threshhold from two weeks ago

so between 14 and 7 days ago, it averages the star counts through a formula for the suggestions during that time period, and sends the top 20% on friday morning to us

[frozen hornet]

I see (I don't)

Got the general idea though

[unique vector]

suggestions still have to go through a 2-day voting period in dev to be approved/denied

[unique vector]

(what part was confusing)

[frozen hornet]

What I'm getting is
it's currently sending suggs that are over 160 stars, and next week it will send the suggs with stars that exceed the top 20% of the starcount requirement from 2 weeks ago

[unique vector]

no

right now its sending everything above 160 stars since the starcount became 270

but thats only a temporary thing

starting this friday, instead it will look at all the suggs between 14 and 7 days ago, and send the top 20% highest star counts from that batch

and it will do that every friday from then on

the star count is basically nonexistent

[frozen hornet]

I see

[west jackal]

Man one of my old suggestions is finally being added into the game

Scal furniture

[unique vector]

congrats

[violet dagger]

I like that new system a lot better

[unique vector]

its a lot better and more forgiving to how star counts adapt yea

[violet dagger]

it actually works during times when suggestion voting is just dead and no one has to suggest to lower it

[hot zephyr]

A D A P T A T I O N

E F F I C I E N C Y

EDEPTETION

[violet dagger]

well now that we have sugg bot 2.0 time to repost a suggestion I made a few months back

and by a few months I mean barely less then a month

[cobalt pewter]

hmm

[unique vector]

tooltip UI suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

since the sugg bot did get changed, I assume why not

reposted the sugg with an additional footage

it only got to as far as 78 before

[unique vector]

opportunists

[cobalt pewter]

indeed

[small timber]

rogue hotkey one is meh, surprise that collapse one didnt do well

rogue hotkey one just seems strange, since you can set your own hotkey. It is separated since many effect cannot really be used together

[unique vector]

yeaaaa this one makes less sense

[unborn siren]

Draft:
**the God Slayer dash should use the armor set bonus hotkey **

The dash is an activated ability that comes from an armor set bonus. There is no real reason to give it it's own hotkey, and it currently just adds more hotkey bloat to the mod.

[cobalt pewter]

there's a reason

auric tesla

[unique vector]

its kinda like saying 5 different character abilities in WoW should be condensed to a single hotkey

[unborn siren]

oh right

im dum

[cobalt pewter]

which is dumb but whatever

[hollow idol]

the thing with the hotkeys is that it lets people choose which abilities they want to use instead of using em all at once

[cobalt pewter]

can't wait until auric tesla rework where they just make the whole thing not a clusterfuck

and actually streamline the effect as a single armor while still giving the power of 3

[small timber]

the thing about hotkey that I will always just use the argument that you can set your own in control

so it is better to set it separate by default so that the player can choose if they want to put all of them into a single hotkey

[stable musk]

You can set it by yourself

[cobalt pewter]

hmm, fair point

imma yeet that sugg for now, I think i remember now the reason I didn't really like this much hotkeys for rogue in particular

the hotkeys are often either unnecessary or can be bundled with similar things

[earnest raptor]

Hi guys

Was stars count lowered or something?

[tranquil folio]

it was always 3

per mana crystal

[frail mantle]

kinda

iirc there's no new set star count, but instead the new bot looks over all the suggestions sent in a week every friday and delivers the top 20% or something with the most stars

[tranquil folio]

oh starr count

[distant gyro]

the most recent star wave had a lower bound of 157 and average of 192

which I think is a decent bit below 270, not sure

it's rather subtle

[frail mantle]

minor difference

almost negligible

[distant gyro]

no

the real thing though

someone will probably make a pinned announcement about it later

[brisk bramble]

Its really hard to make a suggestion that doesnt really affect the game that much

I.e have a ripple effect on the game.

[distant gyro]

I think it's pretty easy to make a minor suggestion

if you pay too much attention into things

[brisk bramble]

For one I would like to have the rusty beacon prototype reworked and added as part of the midnight sun beacon recipie

Both look similar in shape and size

And they do summon something that attacks after a short delay

This is to believe that the Rusty beacon prototype is basically a severly damaged midnight sun beacon

Idk :p

[fleet igloo]

Haven't gotten to that point yet so I can't say for sure if it's needed, but how's making some enemies drop lunar fragments (post-ML?) so you don't have to farm Astrum Deus or the very long lunar event for them

[fossil finch]

What's the problem with farming deus

Or, rather
How would this improve farming for fragments compared to deus

[fleet igloo]

Farming enemies usually just feels less tedious compared to farming enemies for me I guess

[eternal escarp]

well lunar event allows you to farm its enemies rather then have to kill the pillar straight away

[fleet igloo]

Problem with this would be that the pillars stay there forever making the area annoying to traverse

[eternal escarp]

well you just, farm enough fragments and then ruin the pillar

you usually wont need stocks and stocks of fragments regardless

[fleet igloo]

Don't you need them to craft heals

This is mostly so that to restock there's no need to resummon anything

[eternal escarp]

bosses drop heals too anyways

and youd usually not really need likex 100 potions

[exotic stag]

@ashen warren formatting + reasoning + why?

[ashen warren]

I did

[exotic stag]

the formats fine

but

[ashen warren]

I forgor to formate but I edit ok

[exotic stag]

no reasoning

[ashen warren]

Yes because he is too hard and I keep dying

Even with portions

[exotic stag]

plus it just sounds like you raging over him

(and also what difficulty.)

[ashen warren]

No I'm not in vanilla I do it fine

I'm in expert mode

I'm using wing slot if that matters

And also I use the recipie browser

Maybe that is the because

[exotic stag]

no

[half sage]

if you're in expert then ML doesn't get buffed by clam

[exotic stag]

im going to lay it out here even though its cringe

you likely have a skill issue.

[half sage]

so if you are fine with the fight in vanilla but struggling with it in cal expert then

[exotic stag]

(and it really sounds like you are just whining in the sugg)

[ashen warren]

Ok sorry :( Ill delete myabe I'm a m bad

[ashen warren]

No but in vannialala I play on xepry also so yeah

[exotic stag]

(now it just sounds like trolling.)

[ashen warren]

I deleted d it so not problem I will do an aim trainer

[half sage]

[ashen warren]

I'm not moon lord is really hard if anyone is trolling it's you for saying I'm bad

It's the final boss not for nothing

[exotic stag]

bro it literally sounds like your trolling

and hes not even the final boss of calamity

[ashen warren]

I'm not :(

[ashen warren]

I know lol the old fishron is the final boss lol

[exotic stag]

[ashen warren]

He is hard too

[eternal escarp]

(Old Duke is not, infact, the final boss of Calamity)

[ashen warren]

But I know why BC he is the last one

[eternal escarp]

(the current Final Bosses are Supreme Calamitas and the Exo Mechs)

[ashen warren]

Yes it is when u do the old fish it is finished

[eternal escarp]

.

[half sage]

[ashen warren]

What's supreme calamaitiass?

I only know normal calamaitas

[eternal escarp]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Supreme_Calamitas

[exotic stag]

hes genuinely trolling..

[ashen warren]

Stop saying I'm trolling I'm not

[eternal escarp]

it shows a weapon sprite damn!

byeah, thats Supreme Calamitas' wiki page

[ashen warren]

Wow I didn't know that

[eternal escarp]

its Violence in the image byeah

[ashen warren]

So basically I do calamity wrong my whole life

I always finish with old fishron

What

It's a new update the calamity supreme?

[eternal escarp]

yeah after Old Duke theres, the Devourer of Gods, Yharon and then SCalamitas and Exo Mechs

no, Supreme Calamitas exists for

quite a while now

[ashen warren]

I do devorure of god's after lunertic cultisst

[eternal escarp]

though the Exo Mechs are indeed a new boss

...

[half sage]

[eternal escarp]

what version are you?

[ashen warren]

1.3

[eternal escarp]

you are

VERY outdated

[ashen warren]

Cuz calamity is not for 1.4 yet

[eternal escarp]

unless you mean TMod versio-

oh yeah im asking for

Calamity's version

not Terraria's

[ashen warren]

1.5 I think

I always update regulatlry

[half sage]

even if it was cal 1.3 DOG would be post ML, wasn't DOG a post ML boss even in cal 1.0

[ashen warren]

On the boss checklist it says to do it pre moon lord

[eternal escarp]

well then i have 0 clue how you do Devourer of Gods post LC, you might be thinking of Astrum Deus

[frail mantle]

DoG was initially post-Plant

[ashen warren]

Yessd astrum Deus I mean

[eternal escarp]

[ashen warren]

Who tf is deveory of god's then

[eternal escarp]

then yeah regardless, Old Duke is not infact the final boss

[still zodiac]

A late game Boss

[ashen warren]

What's after fishron old?

[eternal escarp]

check your boss checklist

as you just said you have one

[ashen warren]

No I don't that's chating

Chating

Cheating

[half sage]

[exotic stag]

ah yes

[ashen warren]

What what is

[exotic stag]

checking to see if a boss is dead = cheating

[eternal escarp]

h

[ashen warren]

Yes I did look be sure I was confusedd

Thanks for your help guys I need to do seuperuren yharom now!

[eternal escarp]

well whatever this conversation isnt really going anywhere and im pretty sure we have strayed off the now deleted suggestion

[ashen warren]

Ok

[exotic stag]

(we have. and its turned to a guy trolling)

[half sage]

[ashen warren]

Not trolling idiot

Stop saying lies

Dumbo

[still zodiac]

Anyways moving on

[ashen warren]

Yes what next?

[gray nebula]

its funny that its assymetric

its for trolling purposes

[exotic stag]

why are you even paying attention to that anyway

[untold pagoda]

this reinforces the statement of trolly mechs

[fossil finch]

They got them GOOD then

[little grotto]

Explain fast

[untold pagoda]

celestus

[spare prawn]

crabbar can you just embrace the inevitable and turn your channel into a well edited shitpost channel

[exotic stag]

Why do you have that emote

[untold pagoda]

:)

[exotic stag]

** W H Y**

[untold pagoda]

oh jesus christ

thats gigantic

[tired haven]

Who said it isn't?

[untold pagoda]

hello crab man

[tired haven]

The explanation is 1 message above the og message

[exotic stag]

(btw crab did you know of the ele disk tactics?)

[tired haven]

depends on whether it's leading enemies into a train of ele disks to cause pc death, or something more advanced

[exotic stag]

uh

no

its the afterimages

their considered just clones of the actual projectiles

so anything that summons things on projectile death or movement

will summon it on the afterimages

[spare prawn]

The """"ongoing"""" Skyblock series

[inner lark]

U BASTARD

[inner lark]

What the fuck is that emote

They fucking gave thanatos a canonical stroke

[exotic stag]

(god i love that. just "statis curse" with no speaking)

[gray nebula]

waaa me when i have to

PLAY THE GAME??

[frail mantle]

i'm guessing they hit enter too early

[gray nebula]

[frail mantle]

we live in a society

[gray nebula]

plea,,s,eee pla,,se,,e plea,,se ei , want to b,e able to,, craft big item,, without leaving my base,, pl,a,s

[exotic stag]

well no iban

i think its cause most of the items are like

unused ones

[gray nebula]

like i mean cmon most of these items you probably would have gotten in a playthrough

i agree w the cragmaw point tho

[untold pagoda]

:)

[brittle pumice]

terraria fans hate playing terraria, this is a known fact

[frail mantle]

_ _

[exotic stag]

yes we do infact dislike vanilla terraria

[crude geode]

Terraria players when things besides bosses exist:

[ruby plover]

Honestly, having recipes contain items from around the world makes crafting the item feel worthwhile. Although I am fine with the changes, I did actually like the old large recipes for things like the sponge in rust and dust as well

[small timber]

the problem is when you are trying to class switch

[crude geode]

Most players do not in fact do this

[small timber]

because other recipes are somewhat fine, but when you go to Tier 3 Acid Rain and Cragmaw refuse to spawn you are completely bricked

[ruby plover]

Fishing

[small timber]

most player do not do it doesn't mean the game should actively discourage for doing so

[ruby plover]

You can get the rod by fishing (though not all players would know that so still the cragmaw mire should be easier to find)

[green spindle]

You shouldn't be class switching in the first place. It takes far too much time.

Pick a class, and roll with it for that pt, or just start a new one

[exotic stag]

okay the uh qb sugg is just

literally no

[sleek turret]

I agree with the suggestion.

Good suggestion.

[green spindle]

Why?

[small timber]

I think my argument is still this ^

[exotic stag]

i disagree because if you run out of qb summons your fine

[sleek turret]

burh

[green spindle]

What?

[exotic stag]

literally just end them all beforehand

end all those larvae before

[green spindle]

Who does that?

[ruby plover]

Was gonna say “maybe add more reasoning” to the qb suggestion but it says everything it needs to say lol

[exotic stag]

me.

[green spindle]

Well, your not gonna have to do that anymore

[ruby plover]

I think that’s an uncommon thing to do

[crude geode]

Most endgame recipes require a mishmash of random ass recipes from across the game.

[exotic stag]

i still will. because beez

[sleek turret]

well imagine just minding your own bussiness in the jungle using whatever weapon that goes through projectiles and randomly spawning QB

[green spindle]

Isn't that nice that I am trying to save you some time

[small timber]

I checked across all of them, most of them (namely post-DoG class accessory) are noway near as absurd as nucleo, in fact I think the complexity of nucleo exist only to prevent minion slot stacking

[crude geode]

Ex: Any Miracle Matter Weapon

[exotic stag]

no because that just counteracts the point of rovers

[small timber]

I mean weapon is a completely different deal

[exotic stag]

"speed through get it done as fast as possible"

literally

[eternal escarp]

eddies sugg doesnt really, fall under that?

[fossil finch]

The complexity of nucleo comes from having many summon accs added by calamity

That's it

[crude geode]

Post DoG class accessories are boring af

[sleek turret]

Eddie's sugg is fine and perfectly fine