suggestions-discussion

[exotic stag]

it isnt. but atleast making it so that the player gets better by doing it rather then making the player feel like "that was just TOO easy.."

[cobalt pewter]

I will not maybe

either way

[fossil finch]

If they do feel that they just play expert

[cobalt pewter]

this decision is definitely controversial

[fossil finch]

That's kinda

The point,

[hollow shell]

It is the lowest of FIVE difficulty modes now

[tranquil folio]

NORMAL IS RESERVED FOR SPEEDRUNNING CASE CLOSED

[cobalt pewter]

I'll never get to see the end of this topic because shit just never ends

[hollow shell]

or just
people who aren't super skilled at the game

[tranquil folio]

and beginners yes

or people who want fun not necessarily a challenge

[crude geode]

People are allowed to not be good at games Bro

[tranquil folio]

GAMES ARE MEANT TO BE FUN

not challenging/impossible

[exotic stag]

but they should let the player improve on their skills over time. rather then just making it a "breeze through and not care about anything because games TOO easy". players shouldnt be forced to try something their not ready for because the previous difficulty never taught them

[tranquil folio]

yes

[exotic stag]

which is what normal mode is now

[crude geode]

This is kinda my problem with homogenizing the difficulty modes. It just feels really wack having 5 difficulty modes. Making each difficulty mode come along with some unique gimmick helped to make them feel unique to each other.

[tranquil folio]

expert...

[exotic stag]

a "breeze thru never give a shit because its too easy"

[cobalt pewter]

remove death and malice

now only rev exists

[tranquil folio]

normal is for new players to discover terraria

[sleek turret]

merge death and malice

[cobalt pewter]

no more expert and normal either

[exotic stag]

and learn the basics

[cobalt pewter]

just rev

[exotic stag]

but when you make the game literally baby easy. how are they going to learn anything when the game literally is too easy for them to learn

[hollow shell]

It's baby easy according to you

[tranquil folio]

so you mean there should be a difficulty between normal and expert?

[hollow shell]

Presumably you are used to higher modes

[sleek turret]

The thing with normal is that is intended to make things easier to you and that is always intended to every starting difficulty

[frozen hornet]

please no

[tranquil folio]

pretty obvious

[tranquil folio]

to honor this moment name it Altraxia mode

[frozen hornet]

Generic edgy sounding game mode number 6

[sleek turret]

Normal engages you to have some early-expierence at bosses and also gameplay expierence.

[exotic stag]

(just make a tutorial mode ffs. solves the entire difficulty being literally blitz thru and give no shits)

[tranquil folio]

terraria 1.2 mobile tutorial ish

god i miss 1.2

[cobalt pewter]

an isolated tutorial section doesn't work for games like Terraria

[sleek turret]

Didn't you know Tutorial Mode did exist and it was just a world with some 2-3 basic mechanics of the game you could learn by just playing around with your tools.

[tranquil folio]

true

[cobalt pewter]

there's a reason why similar games with a story integrates tutorial into the main storyline

[tranquil folio]

but try playing minecraft without searching up the wiki and knowing NOTHING about the game

its impossible

[fossil finch]

Tbf "items" isn't really any unique either

[hollow shell]

Expert still has EoC and QB going apeshit, EoW spits, Skeletron's arm mechanics, etc

[crude geode]

It was usually items with pretty unique effects, such as Royal Gel, Hive Pack, or the Mechanical Minecart. Granted vanilla is pretty inconsistent with things but it was the most unique theme for expert mode items (Fishron’s mount for example)

[tranquil folio]

apeshit

they go choo choo

EoC the Tank Engine

[frozen hornet]

I found normal pretty hard on my first pt

[crude geode]

Granted, Calamity’s expert mode accessories are really really awful in comparison to normal terraria.

[frozen hornet]

I got good ofc with the help of cheat sheet and wing slot but still

[hollow shell]

Spore Sac and Bone Glove so good

[sleek turret]

so true Rover

[crude geode]

Spore Sac is still unique tbfh

[sleek turret]

spore sac only use was to calmly afk

[frozen hornet]

I didn't even know bone glove was expert

[crude geode]

And it’s why I brought up inconsistent

[tranquil folio]

bone glove was unused

[sleek turret]

bone glove was pmuch forgettable during the entirety of 1.3 versions until JE came and said "let's give it an actual use"

[crude geode]

However, instead of actively trying to fix expert mode accessories, calamity threw the entire mode’s gimmick out the window. It would be like if rage was just deleted instead of being reworked.

[hollow shell]

(We honestly could have done that)

[frozen hornet]

Remove rage?

[tranquil folio]

add stress back

remove rage and adrenaline

[exotic stag]

(everyone talks about calamity killer. but what if calamity was killing itself all this time and no one knew)

[sleek turret]

No.

[crude geode]

It’s what I’m gonna campaign for, because it feels like a massive waste of potential to just trash expert mode exclusives (similar to another massive waste of potential I campaigned for cough environmental mechanics update please for the love of god cough)

[hollow shell]

Playing Normal meant you were locked out of a few neat accessories and a whole acc slot, just because.. you prefered a lower difficulty level
It seems weird that a lower difficulty level would give you a hindrance

[crude geode]

I mean

If you don’t play Rev you don’t get rippers

[tranquil folio]

rippers were the thing that made true melee viable

but now true melee is busted

so no need

[crude geode]

The accessory slot I completely understand tho

[hollow shell]

That is indeed true, Rev has Rippers
However it's a universal mechanic throughout the whole playthrough which the mode is balanced around, and it requires skill to utilize the Rippers
Unlike Expert accs which are sporadic throughout tiers, and non-skill-based benefits (aside from maybe SoC)

[tranquil folio]

rage doesnt need skill tho

[hollow shell]

It rewards remaining close to the boss for faster Rage building

[tranquil folio]

oh yea that

[hollow shell]

(I assume you know how it got reworked)

[crude geode]

Ah yes being close to the boss is very difficult when they naturally dash into you

[sleek turret]

one problem though for that is Ares

[tranquil folio]

but pre1.5 it wasnt skill at all

[exotic stag]

or are very large..

[crude geode]

But besides the point

[tranquil folio]

and charging rage was clumbersome

[hollow shell]

Yes that's why we fixed it.

[crude geode]

Then rework the mechanic instead of throwing it out the window. It’s not like calamity is any stranger to that

Here’s an example if you really want the accessories on normal mode

[hollow shell]

Rework Expert acc obtainment?

[crude geode]

Exhuming the normal mode accessories into their “expert mode” version

[tranquil folio]

exhuming? 👀

[crude geode]

(Obviously earlier on)

[hollow shell]

(I assume you mean-
yeah)

[exotic stag]

(probably just like add a function to the goblin where he does the same like the exhume thing)

[tranquil folio]

but requires certain bosses to be defeated

[sleek turret]

ofc it would require

[tranquil folio]

EoC shield needs BoC to be defeated etc

[hollow shell]

🤔

[sleek turret]

exhume counter scarf into SoC pre-boss

[cobalt pewter]

that requires scal to be available preboss

which is uh

[exotic stag]

no just slap it on goblin

[cobalt pewter]

unless you wanna make exhumed like

[crude geode]

@cobalt pewter

[cobalt pewter]

a separate, unstable thing you can access early on

[sleek turret]

slap the mechanic into some npc maybe goblin

[tranquil folio]

make it a separate Goblin Tinkerer function

exhuming remains scal

[half sage]

not literal exhuming, just a similar system

[cobalt pewter]

my brain was rotting too much from earlier I forgot to reread that

[crude geode]

Lol

[sleek turret]

now you're giving a npc 3 different tabs though

[cobalt pewter]

anyways maybe? probably just advanced crafting at that point

[crude geode]

I think adding a way to “power up” normal mode boss drops would be a neat mechanic for expert mode, similar to rippers

[tranquil folio]

temporary power ups?

use 1 thing to temporarily enhance a copy

actually no

thats shit

[exotic stag]

thats just making goblin more money

[crude geode]

Here’s an example
Normal Mode: Shield of Eyes
Allows you to do a short dash!
Expert Mode: Enhanced Shield of Eyes: Shield of Cthulhu (we know and love)

[exotic stag]

shield of jaw

[tranquil folio]

and you can enhance the normal version later on in game

[crude geode]

Eh no

Not in my mind

[exotic stag]

nah

[tranquil folio]

how about Shield of Terror, like in DST?

[crude geode]

I think this would allow you to power up expert mode accessories while still having them for those that like the simpler version

[hollow shell]

Eehhh sure, that could work
We'd have to get creative with making the upgrade process be skill based
but it's a neat idea

You can suggest it when the update comes out

[crude geode]

Also for the love of god update environmental mechanics for death mode

[tranquil folio]

probably not

its fine as of rn

[exotic stag]

(literally just make them stronger cause so far its just "dont go there boom done easy")

[hollow shell]

We'll probably do that eventually yes

.. not a priority iirc atm

[crude geode]

I was hoping that along with biomes getting reworked, it could come along with environmental effects getting updated since…their release.

[tranquil folio]

how about environmental effects apply status debuffs instead of outright killing you

like weak

[crude geode]

weak
😪

unique is the name of the game here so you’re more likely going to have to use unique debuffs

[sleek turret]

not the debuffs again

we don't want this to become like, literal emode

[crude geode]

Byeah I’ve suggested similar shit in the past, regarding making environmental effects not insta-gib you

[fleet igloo]

Would making Astral Infection resist Purification Powder be good

Axe of Purity can accidentally remove parts of it

[exotic stag]

uh

astral solution exists

and also at that point just dont use axe of purity there?

[distant gyro]

that is, in fact, one of axe of purity's function

utopian society where tools don't have to be combat viable to be relevant

unfortunately that is not the case so axe of purity is a legitimate weapon tool

same for things like hydraulic volt crasher

you signed up for using a tool that happens to be viable

walls will inevitably be destroyed with or without your demand

[crude geode]

Utopian Society where building tools actually exist

[tranquil folio]

What if
we reduce available buff slots to 16, but allocate a separate quota to minions, pets and debuffs

[stiff wren]

what if

[exotic stag]

no

[stiff wren]

what if we just remove the buff slot limit

because it has no reason to exist

[tranquil folio]

it does

[stiff wren]

whats the reason then

[tranquil folio]

its to not make you too overpowered and let you think about what buffs are best for the bosses that you are going to fight

[stiff wren]

if you spent hours minmaxing and making tons of potions then i think you should be allowed to use all of them

[tranquil folio]

potions shouldnt be a braindead task

[stiff wren]

wdym

[tranquil folio]

you are just spamming potions at that point

if you really dislike the buff cap, just install lan's unlimited buff slots

[stiff wren]

bruh wdym "spamming potions"

[tranquil folio]

you said you should be allowed to use all of them

[stiff wren]

yeh
already did that

[tranquil folio]

isnt that spamming

[stiff wren]

no thats just using your whole kit

spam is when you do the same thing over and over

[tranquil folio]

yea and it doesnt require any thought whatsoever

braindead task

[stiff wren]

bro do you want potion drinking to require a button mashing minigame or some shit

[tranquil folio]

so i suggest allocating a separate quota to minions, pets and debuffs

[tranquil folio]

you literally press 'b'

[stiff wren]

honestly that would also be a good alternative to unlimited buff slots

[stiff wren]

and attacking is just left click

and dodging is just arrow keys

[tranquil folio]

yes

it isnt a button smashing videogame

not crazily at least

[stiff wren]

then why do you bring up the potion hotkey in your braindead task argument

[tranquil folio]

idk

[stiff wren]

is it less braindead if you drink all of them individually

[tranquil folio]

anyways just make debuffs pets and minions take up a separate set of slots and im pretty sure most people will be content

[stiff wren]

yeh

[tranquil folio]

as for now

just use lan's unlimited buff slots

[half sage]

why do pets even give a buff in the first place, they already have a dedicated equipement slot that lets you turn them on and off

[tranquil folio]

idk its really weird

maybe its required to have a player projectile exist permanently

[half sage]

true, light pets have existed since before the equipment slot for them did (forget if regular pets did or not)

[austere cargo]

even if we factor out debuffs and minions, a cap to buffs is weird. Should adrenaline and rage count against that cap? Should armor set bonuses? Should weapon buffs like Tyrant's Ultisword? Should passives like heart lanterns?

it's also quite obnoxious trying to keep track of what counts as a buff and what doesn't

it's not clear to me that limiting how many potions a player can use at once is really worth this annoyance

[hot zephyr]

I'm 99% sure we tried to establish separate caps but it didn't work, especially in Multiplayer

[crude geode]

We already have shit like cadence potion which specifically prevents abuse of life force boosting

[unique vector]

explain why items have to be gatelocked behind higher difficulties

name me one good reason why thats supposed to be rewarding to the player

[crude geode]

Gives them more incentive to do the higher tier shit, but that’s the very beginning of my rant

[unique vector]

you can make dificulties distinct without gatelocking items

[exotic stag]

getting better items to reward the player for y'know. Getting better at the game

whats the point of getting better if theres no reward for you. (no noshitting and challenge runs do not count.)

[unique vector]

yes but then you punish people playing on easier difficulties by giving them less things

reward them as they progress through the game, not bc they decided to play a harder difficulty

name me a game with difficulty modes where each mode has exclusive items and why the way they do it makes sense

[hot zephyr]

you play the difficulty modes for the difficulty and the ai/changes and mechanics

[unique vector]

yus

[hot zephyr]

there's already a pretty clear incentive

[exotic stag]

Digimon cyber sleuth hackers memory.

[austere cargo]

vanilla Terraria also does this

[unique vector]

(i dont know what that game is)

[exotic stag]

Hardmode has exclusive digivolutions and locked items behind the difficulties

[unique vector]

yes which is why we changed it

[exotic stag]

in normal mode you cant get some of the more important digivolutions without beating hard mode

but you can still get 99% of the digivolutions

without hard mode

[unique vector]

i personally am very against locking shit bc “haha ur not playing a harder difficulty”

[austere cargo]

well, the only thing that's actually locked out is expert items to normal difficulty, right?

[tranquil folio]

once you play expert you cant live without expert drops

[hot zephyr]

unnecessarily gating content just made the game's balance worse because especially pre-1.5, the meta wildly changed between difficulty modes

[tranquil folio]

which is just shit game design

[unique vector]

there was also malice locked items which has been reverted

[crude geode]

This was my main idea when all was said and done.

[exotic stag]

malice locked is understandable

[unique vector]

it was sorta but also sorta not

because like

[crude geode]

Malice was a mess

[exotic stag]

^

[crude geode]

Just leave it at that

[unique vector]

u got budget lite item versions if u didnt play malice

lolz

[unique vector]

no

you explained exactly the problem with challenge items

aka the bloat they caused

[distant gyro]

seems counterintuitive

[half sage]

I liked it better for legendaries because it was imo better than lul funni 1% items, but for everything else it just felt too punishing to lock slightly better versions of existing items behind what was by far the hardest mode

[unique vector]

and why we removed the ones that were too similar

[tranquil folio]

sadge

[violet dagger]

my main thoughts of unlocking expert stuff is who will actually benefit from that

[unique vector]

legemdaries we’ll discuss later

[violet dagger]

very little people play calam on normal mode

[distant gyro]

make the difficulty hard and then give you things that will make it easier

[unique vector]

eh i wouldnt know that, theres no clear way to see those statistics

[crude geode]

Rippers

[tranquil folio]

rippers require skill

[austere cargo]

hmm, would it be possible to have a difficulty-changing item that converts normal to expert and back?

[tranquil folio]

fargos has that

[unique vector]

rippers is a game mechanic that changes how u face the game, which adds uniqueness to rev+

[exotic stag]

(you dont need to make normal mode easier. make it better for the player to improve their skills on if their new. then let them go to the higher difficulties)

[unique vector]

locking items behind a difficulty does what

[tranquil folio]

Rippers require Skill to effectively use

[distant gyro]

rippers is also not an item distributed to every boss which takes less work

[austere cargo]

although arguably normal mode doesn't serve much of a purpose

presumably a person playing calamity has already played vanilla

[unique vector]

what does that do that makes things exciting and intuitive to justify it as a unique design for the difficulty

[exotic stag]

it rewards the player for improving their skills

to obtain that item

[unique vector]

(yes if it were me id kill normal mode and replace it with expert mode)

[tranquil folio]

normal mode is for new players to get used to terraria so i disagree

[unique vector]

balancing hell

[violet dagger]

how about we lock items from master mode

[austere cargo]

ok, crazy idea: make normal mode expert mode and expert mode master mode

[unique vector]

and why do u not do this as rhe player progresses through the game

[violet dagger]

no because master mode sucks

[austere cargo]

well, it doens't have to be exactly master mode

[distant gyro]

replacing base difficulties is very dangerous imo

[unique vector]

explain why its better to do it through a difficulty

[exotic stag]

because it'd just be making the game easier. which causes less skill required. therefore less improvement

[unique vector]

well yea ik altix

[hot zephyr]

there's also other ways to incentivize improvement that isn't expert drops

[exotic stag]

if you improved from the previous difficulty without needing to make it easier

[austere cargo]

oh but this would be hell for cross compatibility, wouldn't it

[tranquil folio]

just because you are so good at calamity and used to higher difficulties doesnt mean others are as skilled

[exotic stag]

then you should be rewarded for moving up and GETTING more skill

[distant gyro]

if there's something to replace it should be cal difficulties because that's the majority

[unique vector]

but if i designed terraria from the getgo i dont think the way expert and normal are separated rn is like, designed well

[tranquil folio]

true

[exotic stag]

you shouldnt be rewarded for beating a boss in the easiest difficulty to make it easier

[austere cargo]

how about an extra requirement to get the expert mode treasure bags in normal

[crude geode]

(Malice mode)

[tranquil folio]

expert shouldnt have very good exclusive drops

[austere cargo]

like beating the boss under a certain time or without taking damage or something

[exotic stag]

no

[distant gyro]

expert wasn't very fleshed out as a difficulty

[unique vector]

whats the point

ur worsening the problem by making it harder yo achieve the same results

[violet dagger]

but atleast expert isn't as bad as master

[austere cargo]

that way the items aren't locked behind a difficulty, but still require something a little extra from the player

[unique vector]

or just

[distant gyro]

master rewards are good though

as a difficulty, hell no

[tranquil folio]

aka 'unlocking' an item after a certain boss is defeated, for example you can craft Shield of Cthulhu with BoC drops Etc

[austere cargo]

I don't think I'm worsening the problem. Expert mode doesn't change, it just gives normal mode access to expert items

[unique vector]

make difficulty modes just challenge the player more and more with the same set of tools and weaponry that they can access?

like how 90% of other games work?

[distant gyro]

rewards that don't tip over the balance of the game and are cool trophies are cool

[tranquil folio]

might lose replayability. risky maneuvre

[unique vector]

thats literal gatekeeping

[distant gyro]

profaned moonlight dye is def blessed

[unique vector]

but alright

[tranquil folio]

ye

[unique vector]

ur based off the assumption that every player wants to make their game harder

[exotic stag]

ah yes gatekeeping items from the player that make the easiest difficulty easier.

[unique vector]

all items make their difficulty easier as u progress

[exotic stag]

rather then make it easier. make the player improve by playing. then they can get stronger difficulties

[austere cargo]

so, is there any expert item other than the shield of cthulhu where missing out on it is a huge deal?

[unique vector]

thats the... point of progressing in a game

[tranquil folio]

Spore Sac

Bone Glove

[unique vector]

if ur talking abt designing ur game around a player replaying it by moving up difficulties

[tranquil folio]

GODDAMIT IAN

[unique vector]

MGR does this

[exotic stag]

worm scarf.

[distant gyro]

demon heart

[unique vector]

but it doesnt difficulty lock items

and still does it relativley well

[austere cargo]

lots of games lock items behind new game +

is this all that different?

[unique vector]

bc it still has the whole point of the modes existing to challenge the player

[crude geode]

Despite the heavy handed MGR references, I don’t think most people have played it

[unique vector]

yes, bc the difficulties arent new game+

[exotic stag]

new game+ is stupid because you have to beat it originally to unlock it. expert is there from the get go

[unique vector]

u can play any difficulty from the get go

[unique vector]

then u dont understand the point of a ng+ mode

[austere cargo]

you know, I'm coming around to this. I don't see a reason to lock boss drops to expert moe

[exotic stag]

NG+ is just to see how strong your endgame things are versus the early game

[tranquil folio]

if you cant beat normal mode, why bother with expert?

[unique vector]

i used it as a reference bexause unfair was talking abt designing dififculties as progressing from one to the next

[hot zephyr]

(i honestly don't understand why this is a big deal, a majority of this server doesn't even touch Normal to begin with, at this point it's just elitists and armchair game developers complaining to complain)

[unique vector]

vs. choose one and play at it

[crude geode]

I don’t see a reason to, but I also dislike taking away expert mode’s defining vanilla feature without giving it a mechanic of some kind

[unique vector]

so true ian

[austere cargo]

expert has a mechanic: revengeance

[exotic stag]

nah thats just

[tranquil folio]

Speedrunning is dead ;-;

[exotic stag]

no

[hot zephyr]

the mechanic is the AI changes (too bad vanilla gave up after skeletron)

[unique vector]

my whole take is: i want to find out why people complain about new changes

[austere cargo]

(wait is revengeance expert exclusive?)

[distant gyro]

yes

[unique vector]

yes

[exotic stag]

yes

[crude geode]

So the same thing every other difficulty mode does, very cool

👍

[serene slate]

Demon heart and in 1.4 soaring insignia

[unique vector]

idk why do u want each difficulty to feel like a new game

[exotic stag]

1.4 future content

[serene slate]

Yes

[austere cargo]

Demon Heart isn't really exclusive content

it's like complaining that master mode's extra slot doesn't exist in expert

[unique vector]

many games leave difficulties purely at ai changes and more challenges because they’re a pain in the fucking ass to balance

[crude geode]

More replay-ability

[tranquil folio]

replay value? idk tbh

[half sage]

having the difficulties be separated by ai still makes it more impactful than most difficulty modes in games where they just boost stats

[crude geode]

and it creates more distinct difficulty modes

[hot zephyr]

some difficulties are even less than AI changes

[exotic stag]

you miss out on all these things meh

some can be removed like grav globe

[unique vector]

replay value comes from ng+ content in same games, and imo should exist at any difficulty

[serene slate]

Oh yeah shrimpy truffle as well

Fantastic mount

[unique vector]

also we’re talking in the context that terraria is still a sandbox game

so lolz

[distant gyro]

wouldn't replayability already be a thing regardless

[crude geode]

Terraria is indeed a wacky game

[austere cargo]

In many respects, Expert mode is normal mode, and normal mode is easy mode

[serene slate]

Imagine thinking that terraria is a boss rush game rather than a sandbox

[unique vector]

terraria when it tries to be every game type at once

[distant gyro]

you have the option to use or not use an item when you get to it

[hot zephyr]

if there's one thing the mod succeeds very well at imho is replayability, I mean there's already five classes to do in both rev and death as a baseline

[distant gyro]

the existence of the item gives you replayability

[austere cargo]

from that standpoint, does it make sense to remove items from an easy mode?

[hot zephyr]

that's almost ~500 hours already

[tranquil folio]

ok just add expert exclusive drops to normal mode loot tables
easy fix

[distant gyro]

not the fact that it's exclusive to xyz

[unique vector]

no, it doesnt petrie

i do not see why players should be punished for playing on easier modes

[unique vector]

thats what we did

[serene slate]

You would hate touhou

[exotic stag]

they arent. what your doing is just making it easier for them. already on the easiest difficulty

[unique vector]

re: changelogs

ok but touhou has like 5 things

[exotic stag]

if your on easy. you dont need to make it easier

since your already ON easy

[umbral dew]

pillars of eternity has nice difficulty every difficulty adds more to each encounter until path of the damned difficulty and it boosts enemy stats

[serene slate]

Touhou you can't even fight the final boss on easy mode

[unique vector]

brughba moment

actual troll

[tranquil folio]

so pinkcle says touhou sucks?

[distant gyro]

i wouldnt mind if the easy difficulty could be easier

[unique vector]

que

[distant gyro]

that gives accessibility

[unique vector]

yea i dont know why thats a huge issue tbh

[serene slate]

I disagree with the notion that easy difficulty is needed for accessibility

[unique vector]

it also gives a wider gap between normal and expert bc i feel like the two are very similar in difficulty to begin with

[serene slate]

Add more control options for accessibility

[unique vector]

(how do you disagree with the literal reason that they exist)

[distant gyro]

celeste is known for its difficulty but it does have an assist mode

[serene slate]

Easy mode to me

Is for games journalists only

[unique vector]

difficulties exist as accessibility

[distant gyro]

which at some point makes the game literally free

[unique vector]

well thats kinda more of a meme take

[serene slate]

Because games journalists hate any form of challenge

[unique vector]

there are reasons some people genuinely play easy modes

[tranquil folio]

Wand of Sparking

[unique vector]

?

[tranquil folio]

EXPERT RESPAWN TIMER IS JUST SHIT

[crude geode]

I’m mainly complaining about the fact that expert mode isn’t distinct anymore from any other difficulty like malice or death. Each mode had something unique alongside the AI changes.
Expert- accessories (it’s bad, but still is there)
Rev- Rippers
Death- Environmental Changes
Malice- Legendary Drops
Even if they were badly designed or lasted for only pre-hm, there was something distinct to each one and that’s why I enjoyed calamity and in fact played up to death mode in difficulty.
Now malice and expert feels far less distinct and like they have less reason to play outside of haha funny minor AI changes

[tranquil folio]

the content creator named Wand of Sparking

[serene slate]

Expert is for a more vanilla experience

There

Fixed

[unique vector]

please see my very first point that u can make difficulties more distinct than difficulty locking items

[serene slate]

Difficulty lock bosses

[distant gyro]

i think you value distinctiveness a bit too much

[exotic stag]

yes but difficulty locking REWARDS the player for improving and choosing something harder.

[distant gyro]

at that point

[unique vector]

u also shouldnt make each difficulty feel like an entirely new game bc ur putting too much effort into a difficulty mode at that point

u might as well make a new gamemode

[tranquil folio]

new 1.5.004 malice is the example of what expert should've been

[austere cargo]

the reward of expert is not being boringly easy

[serene slate]

Expert is what expert should have been

[unique vector]

i agree with altix

[tranquil folio]

rewards like pets and vanities, yes

[distant gyro]

i feel like rev takes things far already when it comes to what a difficulty is like

[exotic stag]

master mode sucks. never use that as an example anyway

[serene slate]

Revengeance is fine the way it is lmao

[unique vector]

what u should be focusing on is “what makes X difficulty easier/harder than Y”, aka the whole point of making a new difficulty

[distant gyro]

using it almost feels like enabling a new mod rather than a difficulty

[serene slate]

Yes

[umbral dew]

each increasing difficulty should add more content up to the desired difficulty the game is meant to be played

[serene slate]

Because it is enabling a new mod

Calamity

[unique vector]

yes altix but clamaity literally revolves itself around rev bc expert sucks

[distant gyro]

that should not be the bar for distinctiveness

[serene slate]

L

[distant gyro]

tl;dr expert and death are allowed to exist

[crude geode]

(Then stop calling it difficulty modes and start calling it modifiers like they are)
We’re just gonna have to agree to disagree then from a fundamental state.

[distant gyro]

malice, maybe not

[unique vector]

and we’d rather give the player an option of expert vs rev instead of changing expert entirely from the getgo

i think anyway

im not sure

i wasnt there when rev was made lol

[serene slate]

Expert is fine the way it is. It's a more vanilla experience while also not being as easy as normal mode

[unique vector]

ur

literally saying “stop calling them what they are”

???

[exotic stag]

they arent difficulty modes anymore

[unique vector]

why do yall dictate the entire definition of difficulty modes around exclusive items i really dont get it

[exotic stag]

im not.

[distant gyro]

under that what is the definition of a difficulty mode

[exotic stag]

im saying rewarding the player for improving and choosing new things

[unique vector]

terraria is like the only game i can think of that does it and it doesnt do it well lolz

[exotic stag]

is a fucking good idea

[unique vector]

not through difficulty

[tranquil folio]

yea i dont really understand tbh

[exotic stag]

because it actually rewards the player for y'know. playing the game and getting better

rather then saying "here take this fuck off"

[tranquil folio]

just leave the rewards to vanity and pets

[sonic sigil]

I was gonna join in but honestly I think I'm just gonna try to understand each side as best I can right now

[tranquil folio]

good enough

[unique vector]

u havent given me a good reason why doing it through difficulty is more preferable than doing it through ur actual game

[exotic stag]

because through difficulty

you've improved from the previous

[serene slate]

Let's start making expert items exclusive through a paywall. Said paywall is a lootbox that costs real world money

[unique vector]

and i feel like this conversation has went from an interesting discussion to something thats going in circles

[exotic stag]

the game rewards you for improving and getting better

[distant gyro]

vanity is a reward for playing better

[unique vector]

so im going to cut it off here

[distant gyro]

trophies should probably be expert thou

tbh

[unique vector]

if u’d like, continue this in #general-talk

trophies wre kinda like achivements in that regard which makes sense to be difficulty locked but i digress

[crude geode]

I definite it as more difficulty with it’s own mechanics. Others may define it differently, but that’s why expert mode and malice mode are so bizarre to me, since it feels like they have no new mechanics introduced.

[distant gyro]

or maybe lore items

[crude geode]

Lore items would be neat

[unique vector]

wow who’da thunk game design is subjective sometimes

[crude geode]

Indeed

[serene slate]

I think you are the only one in existence with that opinion LMAO

[unique vector]

lore items will get CONSUMED by the beastiary

[serene slate]

Good

[tranquil folio]

indeed

[distant gyro]

I think making one of the trophy items difficulty locked is a fair trade

[unique vector]

beastiary my beloved

[tranquil folio]

Bestiary

[unique vector]

fuck

[serene slate]

Yeah it has a weird spelling

[unique vector]

why is it best not beast

but pronounced beast

[serene slate]

Because the root word is best

[unique vector]

i hate english

[crude geode]

English is fucked up?

[distant gyro]

all the pets for rev, relics for death or master or sth

[crude geode]

Yeah lol

[serene slate]

It's a holdover from latin

[distant gyro]

english discussion

[tranquil folio]

go learn chinese or japanese then

[serene slate]

Technically you can spell it either way in modern day and be correct

[tranquil folio]

chinese is worse than english

[serene slate]

But in terraria it's bestiary

[sonic sigil]

So what do you all think about the beetle husks suggestion

[unique vector]

i would lov to learn japanese

oh right suggs

[crude geode]

Technically you can spell anything in any language and it’ll be correct if the meaning comes across

[serene slate]

Japanese is surprisingly not difficult aside from kanji

[distant gyro]

i think selling everything is a bit handholding

[crude geode]

Seems a bit peculiar but not like invalid or anything

[serene slate]

Stroke order is a bitch

[crude geode]

Yeah agree

[unique vector]

eh u already have alch npc selling farmable mats

[tranquil folio]

but it takes time and patience
and DONT LEARN THROUGH ANIME

its like learning english from peter griffin

[serene slate]

Yeah no one speaks like that

[distant gyro]

besides what are beetle husks even used for

[crude geode]

Potions

[unique vector]

yus japanese has its difficulties through slang and kanji

[half sage]

imo it's kinda eh, beetle husks are already a guaranteed drop and they drop in quite decent stack sizes

[serene slate]

Hey that's accurate to American english

[half sage]

and as for the power cell part of it

[distant gyro]

maybe it's the fault of the potions for eating so much resources

[half sage]

just make old power cell lmao

[distant gyro]

cough ceaseless hunger

[unique vector]

u can learn a language through its media theres nothing wrong with that, just not connotation

[tranquil folio]

pretty reasonable tbh

[unique vector]

or whayever the word is for casual talk

[sonic sigil]

Mmm

Ceaseless hunger potions

I have problems with it but no solutions

[distant gyro]

2 minutes of fighting cv to get 2 minutes of potions

[tranquil folio]

at least calamity gave you such a potion right

[half sage]

huh, I went to look up the stack sizes they drop in and in normal they only drop in 4-8 while in expert it's 18-23

wtf

[crude geode]

2 minutes of potions what are you doing

[tranquil folio]

stop complaining

[tranquil folio]

trying to get infinite buffs by crafting 30

[crude geode]

To kill cv that fast

[tranquil folio]

oh

shredding with a post SCal weapon

[distant gyro]

that's just some random figure out there

probably isn't accurate

[serene slate]

Just make 30 cv potions

[crude geode]

Anyways

[sonic sigil]

The 30 potions thing is pretty useful

[serene slate]

No longer need to worry about it so long as you have Fargo's

Which most do

[distant gyro]

yeah ok

point is

[serene slate]

Since its great qol

[distant gyro]

if you have to grind for something that much

maybe the solution isn't to make that resource free

[serene slate]

You'd hate monster hunter

[distant gyro]

but instead reduce that grindy part

[tranquil folio]

that doesnt have much use aside from moon events

[distant gyro]

the original suggestion was about beetle husks

[tranquil folio]

oh.
forgot

[distant gyro]

cv was just an extreme example

[crude geode]

Indeed

[tranquil folio]

honestly

just make merchant sell titan scale

done

[crude geode]

No

[exotic stag]

(just make merchant sell shadowspec)

[distant gyro]

[crude geode]

Trueeeeeeeeee

[distant gyro]

merchant turns into living cheat sheet

[crude geode]

The solution to every problem is not to make it sold by someone

surprisingly

[distant gyro]

capitalism is not the solution

[tranquil folio]

Democracy is best

[distant gyro]

someone can continue that manifesto

[crude geode]

reason number 4625482 to kill goblin tinkerer

[tranquil folio]

but 1 reason to not kill tinkerer outweighs all the reasons to kill tinkerer.
tinkerer is the only npc capable of reforging your weapons.

[exotic stag]

no he isnt

just make new ones

[sleek wadi]

Just get the perfect reforge on initial craft 4head

[crude geode]

What they said

[earnest raptor]

hi guys

[tranquil folio]

just make some random enemy in temple drop beetle husks post golem

[earnest raptor]

what is hot suggestions today?

[crude geode]

You could also just…

[tranquil folio]

lihzahrds maybe

[crude geode]

Reduce the crafting cost.

[tranquil folio]

that too

combine those

[earnest raptor]

there is actual beetles in the game

[tranquil folio]

too rare

[sleek wadi]

Or bring normal's beetle husk droprate up

[crude geode]

@blissful prawn See Altix’s messages regarding feedback

And just the feedback in general

[tranquil folio]

thats a 0.87% chance! what genius

[half sage]

^

[crude geode]

(TLDR capitalism is not the way)

[earnest raptor]

what is the usage of beetle husks anyway

[crude geode]

Potions

[sleek wadi]

Titan Scale pots, beetle armor

[half sage]

this is fucking ridiculous

[tranquil folio]

indeed

double the drop

[earnest raptor]

does this not a discord user dies every minute or so?

[tranquil folio]

neither is communism

you have to find the balance

aka just make titan scale potion recipe cheaper

and increase beetle husk droprate

[sleek wadi]

Titan Scale potion is as cheap as it can get, it already only needs 1 husk for 4 pots

[earnest raptor]

https://terraria.fandom.com/wiki/Derpling

[tranquil folio]

not cheap enough apparently

[earnest raptor]

there is this thing

[half sage]

as far as the beetle husk portion goes titan scale only needs 1

[earnest raptor]

beetle husk craft = 1 beetle juice + 3 perennial bars

= 3 beetle husks

[tranquil folio]

oh reasonable

but

its still farming

[crude geode]

Titan Scale likely isn’t the problem. It’s likely shattering.

[tranquil folio]

i forgot about shattering

oof

[half sage]

yea shattering is 1:1 for titan scale's 1:4

[crude geode]

Should just get a increase to it’s ratio

[tranquil folio]

so make shattering 1:4?

[distant gyro]

prob a combination of both

[tranquil folio]

obviously

[distant gyro]

isn't crumbling a 1:5

atm

[tranquil folio]

yea

[crude geode]

Shattering

Not crumbling

[distant gyro]

yeah

probbly even them out

[crude geode]

Fair

[sleek wadi]

Crumbling is a 1:5 if you used the normal recipe yes

[distant gyro]

make both 1:5

[half sage]

kinda wanna make a suggestion for this but only suggesting it for this instance would feel too shallow but I don't wanna dig deeper and find more hilariously bad discrepancies between normal drop quantities and expert drop quantities

[crude geode]

and keep blood pot the same to punish spmmers

[tranquil folio]

yes

[distant gyro]

also i thought bug fixes are supposed to not go into voting

[tranquil folio]

sugg hmm

[crude geode]

Lax discussors

[distant gyro]

need to eliminate iirc

especially when they are part of the pool now

[crude geode]

@earnest raptor Don’t be like that. Leave it to the original person who brought up the ratio of beetle husks for shattering or the op. Also you’re likely gonna drag both the suggs down by separating votes.

[tranquil folio]

yes

[distant gyro]

pool steal is bad and not good

[earnest raptor]

okay

[distant gyro]

there most likely need to be even more rules about it

[earnest raptor]

it's technically not against the rules

[distant gyro]

it's problematic against the new suggestions system

[earnest raptor]

so my new suggestion: ban similar suggestions right next to each other

[tranquil folio]

bruh

remove, not ban

[distant gyro]

I'm considering that

[crude geode]

It’s kinda already in there tbfh

It just needs to be clarified more

[distant gyro]

it needs to be more strict to prevent trolling

[earnest raptor]

yeah, it's just a note instead of separate rule

[tranquil folio]

no one usually trolls in those channels tho

[distant gyro]

suppose you have 2 identical suggestions in a pool of 40

and both of them get top 20%

[crude geode]

You could ping someone like @dapper coral to see if he can remove the most recent bug report from voting

[tranquil folio]

false ping

[distant gyro]

well, you just ruined over chances of other suggestions getting through by doing that

[dapper coral]

it me

[distant gyro]

remove the hellborn sug in voting iirc

it's a dev reported bug

[dapper coral]

oh its already in dev

cool

[distant gyro]

yeah

[dapper coral]

dead

[tranquil folio]

loll

is it rover

[distant gyro]

the bug report?

me

[tranquil folio]

you made that report?

oh

how did it get through

[distant gyro]

I do like 90% of the bug reports

[tranquil folio]

into sugg voting

[distant gyro]

idk how people didn't catch it was a bug report

[tranquil folio]

oof

[distant gyro]

but that happened

[crude geode]

I have not slept properly in like two days is my excuse so the fact I can still do anything regarding suggestions is a minor miracle

[earnest raptor]

because who uses hellborn unironically?

[grim tusk]

Nohitters doing malice

Which is like the 3%

[distant gyro]

"Fix" should be an instant red flag

[earnest raptor]

what

doesn't hellborn require meleeing enemies?

[crude geode]

(I’ve learned to not question the min maxing of no hitters Bc there is always going to be a reason)
Boosts like all the stats of hellborn when you melee

[earnest raptor]

that sounds like most impractical shit ever

especially when RDR is a thing

[grim tusk]

For its maximum potential yes

[crude geode]

Remembered this convo and decided to finish the sugg

[distant gyro]

nice

[frail mantle]

Isn’t there already an early game one slot accessory

The wulfrum battery thing

[grim tusk]

That only gives dmg

[crude geode]

7% damage

[grim tusk]

Voltaic jelly gives minion slot

And thats post-DS

[frail mantle]

[earnest raptor]

what about buffing wulfrum battery to do that?

[grim tusk]

Maybe

[earnest raptor]

okay, I actually watched GP's video

[distant gyro]

wulfrum battery is not extremely early game enough

[earnest raptor]

and this shit looks insane

[distant gyro]

or if it is more common then it will be resident inventory filler

[crude geode]

yeah also luck based

“But who will use Wulfrum now” is a counter argument that I will respond to with “nobody because it’s only purpose of a summon slot is now outclassed”

[distant gyro]

the alternative could be to give summoning potions in the starter bag

so that you either have the option to hold for those potions for a boss and suffer early game

or go through early game and prep a bit harder for the boss

and since that is compatible with wulfrum giving a minion slot, it's mostly a win-win

[crude geode]

wow imaging caring for Wulfrum
I’d much rather just Wulfrum not be immensely cringe

[fossil finch]

Then have it not be cringe

Instead of like

Complicating an issue with an extra item

Lol!

[crude geode]

Wulfrum armor has been suggested semi-frequently in the past

(I also have no idea if there are plans for it in the works or not)

[fossil finch]

Yeah so instead of reworking it already (as is planned) add another item

[sleek wadi]

A better set bonus than taking 1 less damage while under 50% would certainly help

[crude geode]

If a rework is planned then Pog

[gray nebula]

its not planned but i wanna try eventually

[fossil finch]

I keep being lied to greatly by the devs
I am not going to forget this

[gray nebula]

well

changes are planned but

,

[i cant elaborate

[fossil finch]

r

[crude geode]

I thought it was going to end with “in the future” like 75% of all changes

[gray nebula]

100% of them actually

[crude geode]

True!

[gray nebula]

minus all the ones in changelogs I guess

but since the update isn't out yet its still in the future

[crude geode]

Very factual, thank you Iban

[fossil finch]

I mean draedon boss was an in the future thing 3 years ago and it happened so kinda like yeah uhm what was my point here
Oh yeah uh things happen i think

[crude geode]

They really do don’t they

[gray nebula]

I need to figure out how to use after effects to make more changes, xggguhh

[unique vector]

iban coding speedrun

[hot zephyr]

no more 5-variant helmets

wulfrum armor now summons a rover (calamity mod discord suggestions-discussion moderator reference 2022)

[gray nebula]

yooo i know this rover guy hes awesome

[exotic stag]

yoo ruler?

wait fuck

not ruler

[grim tusk]

Wulfrum Rover from Cal Vanities in Cal Vanilla?!

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/terrariamods_gamepedia_en/images/e/e3/Wulfrum_Rover_(pet)_(Calamity's_Vanities).png/revision/latest?cb=20211120170249

[exotic stag]

deadtop

this is like

the 6th time

[trail fiber]

what?

it's only the 2nd time

[exotic stag]

the same "upgrade pirate invasion after levi"

[small timber]

I will use the same argument here since it is basically the same suggestion: give a reason why pirate invasion should be upgraded

instead of just "if it is upgraded it is good, it is cool of defeating levi/anahita upgrade pirate invasion because this"

[trail fiber]

i already put it, to give more value to the fight with ana and levi and make usefull the pirate invasion, because it's only for money athat you can get the other forms without farming

[small timber]

because your argument was that pirate invasion is only for money, but then upgraded version will basically just be more of the same unless it do something else

don't focus your point on giving value to fight ana and levi, focus on WHY pirate invasion need to be upgraded, THEN say that it also give value to ana and levi

because currently even if it is "upgraded", it will still be just for money

[exotic stag]

pirate invasion doesnt need to be upgraded anywa

you've already sweeped the entirety of the pirates when you first defeat them. why would there be more randomly

[small timber]

the reasoning can somewhat make sense behind the lore, but the problem it as you stated, currently pirate invasion simply have no reason to be upgraded

it simply gives nothing

[eternal escarp]

rather then upgrade after X, why not fully just expand it normally

[crude geode]

^^^^^^^

[eternal escarp]

same arguements from the first time you posted this sugg

why does it have to be after a certain boss that is also water themed

you could make the same arguement for DFish, but why would you anyways

[stiff wren]

DFish would make more sense tbh

[eternal escarp]

well yeah but its still a senseless idea

[stiff wren]

yeh

[exotic stag]

pirates are senseless anyway

[eternal escarp]

theres no real value to making it upgraded rather then simply just making it more worthwhile from the getgo

hell, pirates being more worthwhile could improve current early-preHMBoss, with the finnicky in-development stuff it is going through

i.e melee having little to no good options before 1 mech

[crude geode]

Melee users experiencing what it’s like to be summoner for once in their life:

[eternal escarp]

when your only viable options are True Caustic Edge and prolly Yin-Yo

[sleek turret]

Good suggestion

One thing though

[small timber]

imagine not playing ranger and just have 20k different guns in each tier

[eternal escarp]

[sleek turret]

"invasión"

[crude geode]

Could have sworn they gotten 4 melee weapons from bars, as well as ichorslicker from the crimson

[eternal escarp]

okay but
are you really going to put true melee as a fully viable option for the general playerbase

[crude geode]

calamity seems to be doing it with every update

[eternal escarp]

i guess but its still a pretty

tougher subclass to player

[crude geode]

Lemme enjoy melee suffering for once
Don’t they also get the actual beam sword

[eternal escarp]

melee still has the most anyways

just that its mostly

bad iirc

so they still suffer

[crude geode]

Good

why is Ham bat in there this isn’t “Journey’s end but for real this time we promise”

[eternal escarp]

i added JE simply so i wont have to later on

[crude geode]

Fair

[eternal escarp]

with the exception of DClops and EoL byeah

[hollow shell]

Aw, no 🏁 or 🛠️ ?

Thankfully I was able to save it using internet connection cheese

(apparently deleting a bot message obliterates it from existence)

[exotic stag]

not even shown in delet logs?

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[exotic stag]

dayum

[hollow shell]

It's standard practice for bot messages to ignore other bot messages

to prevent dangerous loops

[inland saddle]

Known Bug status coming soon™️ but no ™️ because it is actually coming

[unique vector]

@hollow shell @inland saddle if i add 🛠️ to the cryogen suggestion does it auto update on our end? or

[inland saddle]

No, it will prevent it from getting sent at all actually

But it will update here

If you want tho

You can force send it to dev with ✅

[unique vector]

o

[inland saddle]

And then there we can

[unique vector]

sure lemme test that

oh wait

[hollow shell]

We could give it 🛠️ here yeah

[exotic stag]

"it'd be cool" reasoning but upgraded

[sonic sigil]

"it'd be cool" but with logic

and it would be cool

[ashen warren]

I don’t think changing the name would increase the usage rate though.

[dusty stirrup]

Should've just said the name is a better pun, cause everything else kinda just feels like writing an essay to make it seem bigger than it really is

[sonic sigil]

tldr added

[gray nebula]

mfs talking about how it sucks as an item and its useless and everything and the solution is

"rename it lol"

[dusty stirrup]

tru e

[exotic stag]

why not just

remove it :lo:

[sonic sigil]

however!

it would be cool

[small timber]

What is "skynamite" referring to? I mean the better pun you mentioned, nothing comes in mind

[sonic sigil]

aero dynamite stays floating, so it's sky dynamite, or skynamite

[small timber]

So... Isnt aerodynamite a better pun?

Since skynamite just describe its function instead of a pun

[sonic sigil]

aero dynamite describes what it's crafted by and isn't a pun

[small timber]

I think it is a pun on aerodynamic

[sonic sigil]

you know what a pun is right

like

it's wordplay

aero is a root

also i dont want to argue and take the fun out of a for fun suggestion

oh im not trying to make it more useful

i wanna make it fun

that is also an option

[small timber]

So your argument is that you should change an item that is refering to a pun... To a name that just describe its functuon to be "a better pun"?

[sonic sigil]

aero dynamite isn't a pun, it has a prefix

skynamite is a pun

[small timber]

Have you read its tooltip?

[sonic sigil]

You don't need an aerodynamics major to use this

[small timber]

If anything it should be changed from Aero Dynamite to Aerodynamite in that case

[exotic stag]

aerodynamicite

[sonic sigil]

i think it being called skynamite would be fun

that's it

[exotic stag]

no

[sonic sigil]

people literally do understand it though

you two dont

[small timber]

The thing is there is nothing to get, skynamite is literally just describe the function

[sonic sigil]

im not gonna argue this

it's so incredibly not worth it

[sleek wadi]

Aero Dynamite doesn't see use because as dynamite its strictly worse than Sticky Dynamite both in resource cost and excavation and as a weapon IT BLOWS UP YOUR ARENA

If you want to use it for combat you have to build a blast proof arena which means either manually mining out tons of dungeon brick or coating a bridge in chests

[sonic sigil]

yeah i know

it's already useless

so why not make it fun

[exotic stag]

just remove it it feels like bomb bloat

[sonic sigil]

removal is an option

[sleek wadi]

Or just remove it, or rename and rework to not blow up blocks

[unique vector]

bomb bloat when theres like 5 bomb weapons in game

also are u guys literally like arguing about a name pun

[sleek wadi]

If it didn't blow up blocks then it could be a decently high skill weapon as you'd have to have a good idea of where a boss is gonna be in 5 seconds to use it.

[unique vector]

yea but doesnt aero spiky balls exist

or

[sleek wadi]

Sky Stabber is a thing yeah, first time hearing of it tbh

[sonic sigil]

yeah i know i would have liked this to go more in the direction of 'haha yeah that'd be funny'

though if it was reworked into a weapon that would also be cool

yes

we get it

you would like it removed

it is an option

[sleek wadi]

Could also give it a detonation radius the size of the main planetoid

[exotic stag]

just make it world buster

[ruby plover]

yeah it happens

[exotic stag]

but yeah just make aero dynamite function like fargos world buster

[grim tusk]

@sonic sigil expand reasoning and how it makes sense (it obvious but it has to be written)

[exotic stag]

(he edited his reasoning out)

[unique vector]

when the

#suggestions-discussion message

i dont think u need to waste ur time explaining a pun name

lol

normally you would have to have ample explanantions though yes

[exotic stag]

(just remove it. its just bouncy dynamite)

[unique vector]

suggest it then

[exotic stag]

no because it'll feel like a dont

[sonic sigil]

i just wish this didn't turn into an argument and was 'haha yeah' instead of this

[exotic stag]

(also why is this the overworld icon for some games)

[unique vector]

oh yeah ig suggestion chaining kinda stinky but yeah

(and also to be fair the current suggestion anyway is kinda like why but eh)

ill leave that up to rover

[grim tusk]

Minecraft

[violet dagger]

its not really suggestion chaining imo

suggestion chaining would be like "instead of the above suggestion do this" suggesting to remove it doesn't seem like that

[unique vector]

its still piggybacking on a suggestion's topic tbh since its about changing something with aero dynamite

[violet dagger]

true

[sonic sigil]

i mean

what're your takes on aero dynamite

like it's currently outclassed by everything in every aspect

i guess what are your suggestion suggestions

[unique vector]

me?

[sonic sigil]

anyone

I'm all ears

[exotic stag]

my take on aero dynamite is stuff already does its job better

[unique vector]

from a dev standpoint id just

give it more velocity

[exotic stag]

bouncy dynamite. sticky dynamite

[unique vector]

that way it'd be a dynamite you could throw in a straight line that isnt affected by gravity

and be more useful for like long raange blowing up

[exotic stag]

yeet some bouncy dynamite

[sonic sigil]

actually i need to test some aspects of it

[unique vector]

yea but pink gel kinda sucks

[exotic stag]

or hear me out

rework aero dynamite to be like a rocket launcher

instead it uses dynamite as ammo

[unique vector]

making it a weapon kinda makes sense but also no eh idk

[exotic stag]

and doesnt blow up tiles

[unique vector]

thats an entirely new item at that point

[exotic stag]

well it gives it a use

rather then just

"outclassed by literally every dynamite"

[unique vector]

no bc why add a new ammo type that is used for one weapon

[exotic stag]

because

unique

[unique vector]

remember that uniqueness should not be the basis of your game design

[exotic stag]

(i stole that img from tmlcord)

[unique vector]

(what does that have to do about this)

[sonic sigil]

I think if I wanted to make it a useful explosive I would increase its velocity and make it sticky, and if I wanted to make it a weapon I would increase the radius by a few blocks or decrease the stalling time before exploding and remove tile destruction

[fallow hedge]

hihi may I perhaps get some critique on a suggestion idea I have? I'm not entirely sure if I want to submit it in the form I got, but I have the gist down

[sonic sigil]

sure

i also should've done that tbf

[violet dagger]

I mean that's what this channel is for

[fallow hedge]

Create and distribute some more expendable summon weapons throughout the mod's progression

So far, only the Slime Puppet Staff, Borealis Bomber Staff, Cinders of Lament, and debateably the Universe Splitter fall under this category, and it would be pretty nice to have some more options throughout the playthrough. There are some particularly large gaps between them for the most part as well, leading for the former two to overstay their welcome.

A few areas in progression where new instances of these summon weapons should be the start of the game, early hardmode, and immediately post-Moon Lord.

[sonic sigil]

so what is Expendable supposed to mean

[violet dagger]

where you keep casting it

[fallow hedge]

The summons that expire after a set time or upon enemy collision

[sonic sigil]

mm

yeah that would add some variety to summoner

[exotic stag]

(it'd add variety but really. gimmick summons :eggsadcat:

[unique vector]

should probably explain what expendable means

in ur sugg

otherwise i think its fine

[exotic stag]

just do it at the end of the sugg anyway

that way it doesnt take up your actual sugg

[sonic sigil]

yeah there are no real conceptual issues

[fallow hedge]

Noted. Thank you

[gray nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

no

theyre kinda boring

.

[unique vector]

instant denied by suggestion GOD

[gray nebula]

ok not cinders of lament

but like

the "this is just a magic weapon" summoner stuff kidna zz

ask for the more interesting kind of interactive summoner weapons like idk

the uh

uhhh

the charred summoner item i forgot the name of

igneous exaltation

[unique vector]

technically yea if they dont take summon slots then it'd

basically be a mage weapon

time to turn them all into mage weapons

[gray nebula]

You better not be tweaking rn