suggestions-discussion

[unique vector]

i spent 3 hours once trying to farm for it for miasma

[hollow shell]

Nimbus Rod should be a summoner sentry (I assume)

[cobalt pewter]

I'd like to hear this elaboration

[hollow shell]

ah

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

Fair

[cobalt pewter]

fair enough

[unique vector]

[ruby plover]

i farmed for it this morning i feel the pain

[crude geode]

Really good considering miasma is kinda shit ngl

[unique vector]

ty ill add it to my list for mage redos

[cobalt pewter]

poggere

either way yea Miasma is funny

[crude geode]

It just doesn’t have a very interesting effect

Also is only vaguely related to the weapons it incorporates

[unique vector]

oh you're right

why tf does it shoot snakes then

oh wait thats the other weapon

nvm

[cobalt pewter]

snakes??

next up: Miasma upgrade that spawns a cloud that rains toxic frogs

[crude geode]

Like the only relation it has to nimbus Rod is copy pasting the cloud sprite

[cobalt pewter]

incredible

[crude geode]

Aquamarine is kinda maybe there but only in the vaguest way of “it shoots multiple”

[unique vector]

c-cloud sprite,.,.

[crude geode]

It’s probably one of the least prioritized resprites things, copy pasting the cloud is fine imo

[ruby plover]

would it be too much to have use turn binded to a hotkey? like, said hotkey toggles useturn

or a mod config

cause in some situations not having use turn can feel a bit clunky

[sinful harness]

I initially was gonna suggest having a toggle but it might be a bit confusing to implement

Cuz useturn is like an individual weapon stat, not necessarily a universal mechanic thats one way or the other

That toggle hotkey would have to instantly change the code of every swung weapon in the game right

Im not much of a coder so idk if that would be too much or not

[unique vector]

that’d be pointless

we’d rather avoid making more and more options configs just because ppl are conflicted on whether they like them or not

[ruby plover]

ah ye thats valid

[unique vector]

especially making something as silly as that a config is kinda wack

either all in or remove it

lets try not to suggest everything becomes a toggle just to try and please everyone

because then you’d have to think about

[sinful harness]

Personally ive heard wayyyy more people say they don’t like useturn but anecdotal evidence is what it is

[ruby plover]

gotcha

[unique vector]

whats the default toggle? on? off? if everyone’s gonna switch it to off why keep it?

why make a gameplay changing mechanic a toggle?

there are also times where you havr to consider: i have to deal with this

instead of: i dont like it can we disable it

to me

wanting a config = disliking something and wanting it gone out of personal spite/feelings and not like, genuinely game balance concerns

so idk

id personally rather you just suggest its removal ify you dont like it

[crude geode]

me when people Rod of discord disabled completely during boss fights

It’s a fine idea but the vast majority of people want the agility to use it during boss fights

[unique vector]

(too many ppl ask for toggles to shit nowadays i had to rant a little)

[sinful harness]

Yeah i just left it as a simple request for disabling it

[unique vector]

wait is rod actually disabled for bossfights

[crude geode]

No

[unique vector]

at this point i cant remember what we do with rod

oh thank god

[ruby plover]

i actually hadn't seen if y'all were for or against more toggles, so i was kinda tentatively asking to see

[crude geode]

There was a suggestion a while back about it

[ruby plover]

and i got my answer

[unique vector]

a lot of us are against it on the dev team afaik

[crude geode]

(Rod or toggles)

[unique vector]

bc it makes shit weird where we have to account for players that have it on and players that have it off

toggles

[crude geode]

Yeah toggles are really weird

[unique vector]

its kinda crungle

[crude geode]

The Rod of discord disable during boss fight got like no stars

[ruby plover]

hmm i wonder why

too many people relying on their precious rod

[cobalt pewter]

an acc that generally boosts true melee and allows control over true melee broadswords could be nice

idk how to do that

smoothly

but yes

it's a tough topic

been through the whole shenanigans a while back

[crude geode]

me when players don’t no hit malice mode bosses 24 hours after release with no Rod of discord, movement speed upgrades, movement keys, or a functioning computer

(I fucking hate calamity elitists)

[ruby plover]

i mean i like rod (obviously) but like. i would be fine with it being toggled off during boss fights

[cobalt pewter]

rod is just stupid

[ruby plover]

more thinking of how to dodge, less of thinking when to preserve chaos state for specific hard parts

[cobalt pewter]

Cal would need to make it completely non-existent if they want to do anything about it

and it's practically impossible since

they made a permanent mistake with NR

[ruby plover]

yeah the majority of the playerbase would hate calamity if they invalidated rod

[crude geode]

Rod of discord is extremely powerful but imma bring up the counter argument everyone does

You don’t have to use it, and all bosses are possible without it

[unique vector]

you have to consider both sides

“you dont have to use it” is a weak argument for anything tbh when it comes to game design

[cobalt pewter]

bosses are designed without relying on rod as best as possible

[unique vector]

because you’re effectively ignoring its existence and, by extension, the problem

[cobalt pewter]

but the item exists so

🙄

[unique vector]

rod of discord is a vanilla problem that we dont know if its our problem or not half the time so we dont know what to do with it

it shouldnt trivialize anything but we dont want to outright kill it

[crude geode]

Indeed

[ruby plover]

at the very least, giving NL a 15 sec cooldown on bosses and nerfing its fall speed has made it pretty undesirable in most circumstances

[pulsar marlin]

Useturn makes swords trash

[unique vector]

wasnt its fallspeed actually terrible

[cobalt pewter]

don't really wanna bother with useturn much anymore for now, but imma say having an acc that is a hybrid of general true melee boosts and useturn lock would be nice

[unique vector]

(also if im being honest from a player perspective ppl hating useturn makes me legitimately just feel like ppl are lazy)

[sinful harness]

How so?

[unique vector]

like isnt it a good thing to swing one way and move backwards

[sinful harness]

Yeah

[cobalt pewter]

this line is super quotable in the Terraria community like holy shit

[unique vector]

and also it doesnt take too long to freaking stop swinging and move the other way

lol

esp since a lot of swords just become ultra mega fast speed anyway

it wouldnt be too much of a hassle but eh

at the same time idr why it exists

also no rover is right

bad game bad game

[cobalt pewter]

factual

[crude geode]

Very true

[sinful harness]

It just kinda ruins the flow in my opinion. Like i said in the suggestion, going back and forth between moving and swinging is just clunky and really messes with you when boss fights are like a bullet hell and you want to always be moving

[unique vector]

i suppose

[crude geode]

Me when I can’t just move in one direction and hold left click

[unique vector]

my only like real thing against it is i KNOW there was a conversation somewhere about fabsol or someone else being super against removing it for some technical reasons

but im too tired to care so im going to bed gl with your suggestion

[crude geode]

pixl

[sinful harness]

Dont act like thats any less dynamic than the rest of it lmao

[crude geode]

That’s kind of my point

it forces you to not do that exact thing

[sinful harness]

Yeah but how many bosses would even actually allow that

True melee still cant hit above or below

Do you really think all i wanna do is try to kite bosses in one direction forever

[crude geode]

Idk

Byeah sugg is valid these are just my criticisms as someone who doesn’t play melee

I love this quote because it also leads to a core part of calamity, ignoring the fuck out of fighting mobs

[sinful harness]

I mean as a melee player of course i always wanna see melee buffed lmao

But this is just like

I would dare call it quality of life

[tranquil folio]

melee is already buffed lmao

[sinful harness]

more

[tranquil folio]

zzzzzz

[crude geode]

spiky balls' true purpose was so forgotten that sky stabber now is allowed to exist

[small timber]

the problem is in what way should the horde come. You have events (which is essentially horde), normal situation (just no, having 10x spawnrate on normal is cursed), and then... none? the only way is literally to buff events

[sinful harness]

Will this work with multiplayer if i get all my friends to do it too

[small timber]

while the moons and solar eclipse (buffed) are bad example of horde events, they are still horde, just not quite "Dmode blood moon" level. Acid rain have much more normal mobs than bosses is the main reason why you feel it is much more horde-like, but you cannot really change moons and solar eclipse to not be boss focus, it is literally vanilla

and the consideration for buffing non-moons and solar eclipse is that it can completely screw the player depend on point of progression. Events require filling 100% the bar and in example like early-HM (when even clearing Goblin Army may be difficult without gears) or HM pirate invasion (you simply don't have the stat to do so if you don't get the chance to farm weapons), it cause hard stuck

[crude geode]

they're bad example of horde event because 99% of the "horde" part doesn't matter

bc you have flight

[cobalt pewter]

so that's where we're going now

wings

the true reason bosses became the hyper focus

[crude geode]

just kill wings

[small timber]

the only way I can see it is to add a literal new event (like acid rain as you mentioned), buffing any kind of vanilla events have the chance of completely screwing the player

the other approach is to make certain bosses buff certain events to make them horde like

[cobalt pewter]

make Wings glide only + jump speed boosts

🚎

remove flight

[small timber]

ah yes of course, we removed defiled just so player is permanently defiled

[cobalt pewter]

broken ass shit

[crude geode]

I also consider enemies during exploration the type of shit I want (and bring up in the content of the sugg), because piercing/area covering matters more there as well.

[small timber]

it will be extremely annoying for exploration to have horde is the problem

just imagine horded jungle

unless you add "mini biome event", where a certain biome have boosted spawnrate for a time

I can see that, seeing the next major update is supposedly biome update

[crude geode]

I didn't say hordes of enemies in this message

even a few hornets is a problem when you're exploring underground jungle in hardmode

and a large aoe handles more enemies faster in that instance than something like megashark 3, <adjective>+<fish>

something like spiky balls also prevents enemies from sneaking up on you when you're trying to mine, forcing you to stop and deal with the problem

[cobalt pewter]

jokes aside wings definitely played a big factor in making bosses the hyper focus of the game

the issue isn't even only Cal

it's just how dumb HM in the base game is

literally shifting the design direction the other way

[small timber]

I mean the ultimate goal of terraria is literally a path way to moon lord

[crude geode]

for sure

[crude geode]

the ultimate goal of terraria is to stop playing terraria iirc, at least according to most players

(rover quote moment)

[small timber]

the only problem was that all locations are discoverable in pre-HM, and in terraria there is no new way to add more

hallow is only just a strip of the world, and really just biome change and nothing more

[crude geode]

that's not really a problem if you actively think about solutions

[tranquil folio]

yes we need calamity to use subworld libraries

[cobalt pewter]

no but literally, even the base game encourages finishing a pt as soon as possible (fucking evil spread)

[crude geode]

evil spread is asinine

[crude geode]

it's a point of contention, considering it fucks multiplayer in the ass

[cobalt pewter]

a

[small timber]

just hope 1.4 tmodloader somehow helps subworld to work

[tranquil folio]

all i request is a subworld entrance at the bottom of the abyss

[crude geode]

you can add more enemies after a certain point, add things initially like the biome chests to biomes that you can unlock later, or even restrict shit like with scoria

[cobalt pewter]

cal's subworld is on the status of "not out of the realm of possibility"

doesn't mean they'll start using it on everything, but if the need comes, they might have a way to already

[small timber]

none of that will be considered "discovery", it become just "oh what loot can I get from this and how does it help me in my next boss", just like Hardmode

[crude geode]

[small timber]

the only real way to ensure consistently discovery is to lock up portion of the world until later point of the game, considering terraria is incapable of adding new content (except subworld which is buggy)

[crude geode]

you're literally discovering new enemies

unless you're talking about repeated playthroughs

[small timber]

from a first playthrough perspective, pre-HM have a lot more discovery than HM despite new enemies, it is just inevitable

going to somewhere completely new and unknown is just different from seeing new and different mobs

[crude geode]

it isn't inevitable if you put in the work and effort, unless you really only view discovery as discovering new biomes, in which case that is a limited view

[gray nebula]

wait uh

isn't useturn being set to true good

[fossil finch]

Wof exists
That's it

[gray nebula]

like, it allows the use of a weapon to turn the way you're facing

else it'll be swung the same way you're facing

p sure

?

[fossil finch]

You can't moonwalk if it's on for a weapon,

[gray nebula]

you sure?

[fossil finch]

It'll be forcefully turned as you do

Yea

[gray nebula]

but it's us e turn so you turn the weapon,

you turn yourself, on use

I am absolutely positive that when I was playing around with a weapon dom coded recently it didn't have useturn and it rotated with me as I changed directions, but then after useturn it was good

[fossil finch]

,

Idk

[gray nebula]

oh

it's because. channeled weapons force you to face à certain way

right

:meok:

sorry guys I forgot cringe true melee weapons are bound to the limitations of base parameters

[crude geode]

It’s legally okay to bully melee players, regardless of play style

[exotic stag]

true.

(melee 1.4)

[silver silo]

I thought summoners were the people we bully here

[stiff wren]

its ok to bully melee players
its always morally correct

[cobalt pewter]

summoners have always been, it's just not as bad until they get wh*ps

[grim tusk]

Melee players crying cuz now they need to kite rather than moon walk

[gray nebula]

tbf kiting doesnt seem particularly fun

:|

[wise raven]

I love whips :(

[wise raven]

[stiff wren]

chad

[stable musk]

me loving true melee but not nohitting it:

[grim tusk]

@forest wren add better reasoning

[eternal escarp]

add reasoning as a whole

[grim tusk]

[eternal escarp]

you show the issue and the request but no reason behind it

[exotic stag]

make suggs require a word count

[eternal escarp]

not all suggestions need to be long like

byeah

[exotic stag]

atleast make like a 20 word reasoning though

[forest wren]

bruh aint it already very self-evident?

[exotic stag]

no

theres no evidence. no reasoning

[eternal escarp]

you dont explain why it needs to do so

you just mention "it currently does this so make it do that"

(in a barebones way)

[exotic stag]

(also no evidence..?)

[eternal escarp]

cultist music does take priority over others iirc

[exotic stag]

it does but like

evidence helps for those people

[forest wren]

hit the cultists and they start panicking, the musics starts and interrupts any boss music

fine ill add like "ruins boss music" lmao

[exotic stag]

@stable musk reverting new changes sugg is not allowed

no

no more

[stable musk]

Ok (well it's time to use rogue without stealth)

[exotic stag]

(Why do you even prefer silva over godslayer? the looks?)

[stable musk]

Mostly it's revive and crystal

[fossil finch]

simple use vanity lol

,

Also crystal wasn't even on rogue's setbonus anyway

[exotic stag]

just swap classes

[stable musk]

Or someone can prefer dash than revive but being locked in silva armor because godslayer didn't got summoner

[exotic stag]

swap classes

[fossil finch]

I wonder if an acc exists for this situation

[exotic stag]

boom done

[exotic stag]

like for godslayer: use any shield

revives idfk

crystal? just like

have a passive summon

[fossil finch]

Nebulous core

[exotic stag]

truee

[stable musk]

No more

It got removed

[fossil finch]

Yes more

[exotic stag]

yes more

[fossil finch]

It wasn't what,

[stable musk]

wait a min

[exotic stag]

wasnt removed.

[stable musk]

Oh ok

[grim tusk]

GS dash far longer and has iframes against anything

[fossil finch]

Still

[grim tusk]

Just learn to play without revive crutch or use an acc slot for it (at least now it has a price)

[exotic stag]

you dont need the length

lo

length can hurt more then help in more scenarios

[grim tusk]

Get out of jail free card

[exotic stag]

gs dash away from being pinned into scals BH trap -> get hit by a gigablast instantly

[grim tusk]

True

Just watch where you land

[exotic stag]

or like gs dash away from yharon and end up in his bordernados

[grim tusk]

Still its better to prevent all dmg rather than reviving and then dying instantly

[stable musk]

Exo mechs trapping you, scal having enough windows, yharon what just creates a lot of inescapable situations

[grim tusk]

Thats why you build walls

[stable musk]

invincibility for 10 seconds

[exotic stag]

walls get you trapped into yharon because you just halt

[grim tusk]

Thats silva

[stable musk]

500 stone blocks blocking bordernados: adorable

[grim tusk]

But gives time to RoD or ram

[stable musk]

oh wait i got what you tried to say

[exotic stag]

rod's directly into a homing flame because yharon logic

(Also ram will just do the same)

[grim tusk]

Thats also on you, you got into situation, you get out

Happens a lot

[exotic stag]

get out by tanking 200 damage

yes

[grim tusk]

You made a mistake and you get punished

[stable musk]

you have a choice: either die on the borders or just take damage

[stable musk]

basically entire game

When i was playing ranged on 1.5 release i thought "They made dark sun awaits thing earlier, now I don't have to fight yharon for silva armor". Made godslayer armor and then after solar eclipse made silva armor, i tried to find ranged headset but didn't, so i thought devs made thing exactly as i suggested not so long ago

And crafted summoner armor

killed yharon in like 53 tries with nurse's help

[exotic stag]

wait if silva makes the player immune to sulphurous poisoning. shouldnt godslayer also have that since their both the same tier and both share like

[hollow shell]

@forest wren Your suggestion is fair but I think the title could be clearer. "Overlap" is a strange word to use.
Should (imo) be something more like "Make active boss music take priority over angered Cultist music."

[stiff wren]

is sulphurous poison immunity really that important

[exotic stag]

[stiff wren]

ok now i agree with you

[sinful harness]

I mean its just that its sorta a melee specific issue that just doesnt need to be there. Mages or rangers arent forced to stop and kite for each shot, why melee?

[exotic stag]

because how are you just going to rotate 180 while swinging a heavy sword

[sinful harness]

lmao

Almost thought you were serious for a sec

[exotic stag]

I almost thought you made a valid point there.

[sinful harness]

Do u wanna like

Have an actual conversation about it?

[drowsy plank]

I can't tell if this is ironic or not but saying the sword is too heavy to turn around with while our characters can literally swing a minigun around their head like it's a twig is

[exotic stag]

yeah the swords are like demomans swords

while the minigun is

heavies tomislav

[gray nebula]

skill issue

decryption time is proportional to your skill

[exotic stag]

yeah thats why mine is instant

[hollow shell]

@burnt beacon You don't need to have the menu open while it's happening. You can do other stuff in the meantime

Also @blissful osprey "rework" isn't the correct word to use. Just say "buff" if your only concern is numerical and nothing to do with the weapon's function

Edit: Thank you 👍

Also also @blissful osprey #changelogs message

The veins are small in 1.5 due to a bug, they used to be huge and are going to become huge again

Auric Slime sugg can be valid, but not for this reason

Hrm

[blissful osprey]

🤔 i'd thimnk one of them should drop like 60, and would be a nice boss similar to giant clam

[violet dagger]

auric slimes becoming a don't any%

[brittle pumice]

shorter decryption times would be nice, or at least have each codebreaker component make it faster

[hollow shell]

Yeah, I think it's time

This Auric Slime sugg will be the last Auric Slime sugg

[ashen warren]

I don't understand why its always "add auric slime"

And not something much more broad

[exotic stag]

like "add auric version of armored digger"

[unique vector]

because ppl are limited to ore or slime for mats

[gray nebula]

cuz there's other pré slimes

[unique vector]

for some reason

[gray nebula]

.

ore

ore slimeq

[unique vector]

org slime

boutta make pregenerated slime patches that spawn slimes when mined that drop ore when killed

[exotic stag]

literally just make a thick slime boss

MALICE

FRICKIN MALICE SUGG LMAO

raise sensitivity

[wheat ocean]

honestly

using a bow is basically unviable against EOC

you have to play with a gun

[exotic stag]

just

dont play malice on tier

and aim.

[wheat ocean]

i was trying to be the first to do MaliceDeath ranger

also i play with low mouse sensitivity because i also play minecraft

[worthy lintel]

Malice will never be a valid reasoning for balance purposes

It's deliberately hard

[wheat ocean]

yes, but the boss should at least be ABLE TO BE HIT

also a homing arrow type would be cool

it wouldnt need to be op,

[exotic stag]

no

its malice

suffer.

[worthy lintel]

Malice is meant to be a rematch after a few tiers past the boss

Playing on tier is possible but that's it

Where hitting with arrows is generally not much of an issue anymore

[gray nebula]

issue of skill

[river glen]

get gud

u need good aim

u cant have wannabe chlrorphyte and rely on that

and if ur settings make it so u cant target the boss well

turn them up

[river glen]

i did malice ranger

with a bow half the time

half the time it was also toxibow

its possible obv

lack of skill

[fossil finch]

i've seen malice every boss before and they're completely hittable with on tier gear

just aim,

[crude geode]

you all don’t have to repeat the same thing yknow

[exotic stag]

i was doing malice rogue with the god damn gleaming dagger

its doable

[random ginkgo]

No, I wanna repeat it super bad

[stiff wren]

No, that poor fool HAS to know that they have a massive skill issue (unlike me, the skilled gigachad who beat expert providence 😎 )

[random ginkgo]

lol

[grim tusk]

Ok i think we got enough “Add auric slime” suggs to shove it into frequently suggested on the doc

[stiff wren]

Its already there

[grim tusk]

Nice

[fossil finch]

r

[stiff wren]

Rip auric slime, time to add it to the harambe heaven meme

[distant latch]

Vanilla ore slime when

[grim tusk]

I’d say the only suggs good for malice are removing unfair bullshit (looks at BoC and Aureus telefrags)

[stiff wren]

Imagine getting fucked over by entity limit while farming because a corner of a cave is full of palladium slimes

[worthy lintel]

Fair point, I forgor to specify as usual

👁️

[fossil finch]

ok spider shouldn't you exclaim the auric slime sugg,

[distant latch]

Fine
Vannila ore clump pre hardmode and hardmode miniboss

[stiff wren]

That will never be added but it sounds sick

[exotic stag]

corner is full of copper slimes

[violet dagger]

well it was made before the don't

let it be the last one

[grim tusk]

Speaking of unfair stuff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770382926545813515/932088527896850492/EoW_spawnkill.mp4
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770382926545813515/932089184183799848/unknown.png
Can actually happen outside of BR

[violet dagger]

oh wait that reasoning is kinda

[distant latch]

-attempt to get a rod by farming
-wondering why nothing is spawning
-stone slime clump is at the edge of the screen
-dies

Actually now that i think about it
Vanilla somewhat already have vanilla ore slimes
Just drop rates are so low and there aren't hardmode ore drops

[stiff wren]

Eater of worlds jumpscare

[distant latch]

Atleast it isn't a foward facing eye of chuthlulu at phase two

[ashen warren]

That is an impressive spelling of cthuhlu

[unique vector]

cthluhlu

Cthulhu

there w ego

[exotic stag]

ctootoo

[ashen warren]

Ctooloo

[exotic stag]

ctoasty

[unborn siren]

cuhthuloo

[novel belfry]

humloo

[small timber]

The suggestion bot seems to be down again

[exotic stag]

alright @zenith hazel bot might be down.

[zenith hazel]

f*uck

notified amber

[drowsy plank]

Should we not post suggestions right now due to the bot being down, or will the bot just migrate all suggestions currently in the channel once it's back online?

[hollow shell]

The latter. It's totally fine to post now

[crude geode]

I swear the bot went down after like a day

[small timber]

No it went down in like 6 hours I think

[fierce iris]

i also like the grace period idea because it makes spawning skeletron not an absolute pain

where you spawn him, and because you're in talk range of where the old man was you get hit instantly

[violet dagger]

oh yeah I hate that

everyone does likely

[cobalt pewter]

give cultist provi style area limit

dread

jokes aside the issue stems more from the design of cultist

uhh

idk how to say it

but basically the attacks were already giving a lot of lenience to run away on a single direction

cal's 1.5 changes to Cultist, frankly, made the strat more meta since they never really addressed the running in one direction issue during that rework

[small timber]

in my mind it is either an attack that always come from the direction you are running to (like ravager pillar but telegraphed) or just set an arena

[cobalt pewter]

and just make everything more BS the intended way because everyone finds it easy now

[small timber]

unpopular opinion but setting an arena make 90% of the bosses more interesting

imagine if fargo's mutant do not have an arena

[cobalt pewter]

from my experience to Crashlands, and albeit the game has arguably simpler boss design, the ones with a limited arena are usually more interesting

[small timber]

because setting an arena also makes the boss be able to designed to be beaten in that space (so you no longer have to make worldsize giga arena)

having no arena just limit boss design too much, they are forced to literally have some form of denial or bullshit speed to catchup

[cobalt pewter]

(Blockstock and E.M.G. come to mind, Hewgo is passable too, Ynnix is probably the only exception)

[small timber]

otherwise the approach is just exo twins and ares: deadlock on you so your position do not matter (get cheesed by megafall anyway)

[gray nebula]

clearly just ask for them to be made more powerful no matter the tier lol

like onyx drill is as good early game as it is post golem

[exotic stag]

and luxors.

(also gladiator locket exists)

[gray nebula]

gladiator locket doesnt count

it just scales

boringe

[exotic stag]

effigies

[tranquil folio]

Gladiators gets thrown away pretty fast

The only time someone really used it is in the sentries only pt

[grim tusk]

Only useful ones are luxor’s and symbiote????

All of em are extremely useful

With one sole exception

Trinket of chi

[grim tusk]

(Flashbacks to pre-cap prism luxors)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXVUOfKGaRI&feature=youtu.be

[grim tusk]

Nohitters

Wait…

[robust lava]

May want to expand on this one

[fossil finch]

wouldn't it be comedic if this sugg never reached the star requirement (this is the 10th time this joke has been made

in any case,

you do know this is literally how this system works right

[blissful osprey]

Hold on, what IS the star requirement, it was passed that it would be reduced from 270, but what is it?

[hollow shell]

Approved, but not implemented

Yet

We are currently working on it

There will be changes to the bot

[eternal escarp]

(tbf suggestions about the star requirement actually needed 140 so i think it was obviously going to pass )

[blissful osprey]

:kek:

[fossil finch]

@burnt beacon Calamity's vanities mod already does this

[burnt beacon]

do you mind if i ask how exactly? do i need a special item? cause i have that mod on and they dont appear when in vanity

[fossil finch]

are you sure your mod is up to date

because just slapping hote into a vanity slot does work

(reminder that the vanity disabler button is also a thing

[unique vector]

@blissful osprey @hollow shell im adding an exclamation

for what rover said

also scam bot

fuck

im on mobile

[burnt beacon]

ok, so it works with hote but nots the individual elementals, but its planned for that function to be added so thats nice

[stiff wren]

wouldnt it be funny if the astral meteor suggestion didnt reach the star requirement

[ruby plover]

should the cold divinity suggestion have been exclaimed, given it won't be a malice drop in .004?

and thus may not warrant a buff

[fossil finch]

where did you get this from

[ruby plover]

in suggestions voting

[fossil finch]

i mean where did you get that it won't be a malice drop in next patch

[ruby plover]

oh i thought i saw somethin about it, might be wrong tho

[spare prawn]

sir thats a gun for hunting tanks what did you expect

[worthy lintel]

@waxen flower shift + enter to separate the title from the paragraph

[waxen flower]

ok

It's Fixed

[gray nebula]

Moderator fail

what you should have said is "dont make suggestions for future content"

(im saying it now)

[crude geode]

^

[gray nebula]

Its rly goofy to ask for us to do stuff for updates without even knowing what we have planned

[fossil finch]

At mods exclaim smh my head
Devs should be allowed to exclaim iirc

[worthy lintel]

not allowed to do mistakes

:(

[crude geode]

Is brimstone crags being split into different biomes even?

[fossil finch]

Yea

[waxen flower]

I apologize in advance, I've heard of that content first in the Calamity Art Server in Event-Announcements. Go check it out if you haven't

[fossil finch]

Look at calart

[worthy lintel]

(in my defense i only looked at the format without reading the sugg so thank you for reminding me)

[fossil finch]

Remember to read suggs always !!

[crude geode]

No

[fossil finch]

???

Are you artist fobic or smt

[crude geode]

no I just don’t feel like doing it

[fossil finch]

Look at calart's event announcement

Crags rework funny is there

Ok ig

You do you

[dapper coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424301622878011402/930935676277497906/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424301622878011402/930935677170892820/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424301622878011402/930935677795827743/unknown.png

from gav's announcement in art

[crude geode]

Very intriguing

Can’t wait for december for it to drop

[dapper coral]

so true

[worthy lintel]

a shame people only care for mist ocean

yes its the coolest but the other 2 have potential too 😶

[crude geode]

Mist ocean more like nether jungle

anyways can we like have more small updates instead of a yearly update to calamity, so we can get feedback to devs more about changes instead of having 500 suggestions about wildly varied topics

like Draedon, the new malice mode, early hardmode changes, and balancing post ml

[fossil finch]

I'm not sure splitting things up would be that beneficial honestly

It also removes the hype and anticipation of big updates which a lot of people care about

You're also forgetting that like
1.5 was specifically a big update, 1.x.x patches don't take as long to release

[cobalt pewter]

I think having the small changes that aren't tied to anything to new 1.x content could be added to the smaller updates beforehand

and reserve 1.x to only big changes

[fossil finch]

maybe?
Most of those changes do come mid dev though

[crude geode]

my main problem with the Draedon update is that, to my knowledge, a massive portion of time was dedicated to balancing the entire post ml experience. It was necessary but it also delayed the Draedon update til December

[fossil finch]

Yeah blike

It would have took the same ammount of time anyway

[crude geode]

@kindred creek “this is self explanatory” is abysmally bad reasoning for a sugg

[kindred creek]

Just Gave better reasoning

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Can we ban toilet suggs?

[hollow shell]

Unsure

[crude geode]

More than I was expecting

[hollow shell]

Actually, hang on, I have a better solution

[crude geode]

I think “end game toilet” should at least go in frequently suggested-

[eternal escarp]

more so ban auric toilet as a reason and by domino effect all of the toilet suggestions die

[hollow shell]

@kindred creek SCal and Exo furniture sets are currently in the works. Wait until those sets get released before making suggestions pertaining to endgame furnitures

[hollow idol]

SCal furniture

also the "Eidolon Toilet" would probably be covered by Void furniture if existing cal furniture sets get toilets in 1.4

[cobalt pewter]

....please remove Auric Toilet

[crude geode]

@hazy sigil Adding a config is a big deal and something being done with caution now to prevent bloat. Additionally, adding in previous content is a don’t. Just look it up on YouTube and listen to it while you have the music disabled.

[violet dagger]

problem: would take extra space in music mod

[crude geode]

also that

[hazy sigil]

knew someone would say goto yt

[distant gyro]

just wait for a mod that adds it back

[hollow idol]

someone's prolly gonna make a mod that brings it back

yeha

[crude geode]

Also true

[hazy sigil]

but if so whats the point anymore

[distant gyro]

there is already a mod that adds the dokuro track in place

[violet dagger]

oh yeah that

[hazy sigil]

oh wait really?

dang

[distant gyro]

you know which one

(the cave story one)

[hazy sigil]

well its only the pinpin one left

[violet dagger]

its not a calamity track

its a cave story remix ye

[hazy sigil]

well yea

[violet dagger]

but it fits really well

[hazy sigil]

hm idek

it does but i really like it

[hollow shell]

@hazy sigil Future content sugg, the new theme has not been made yet. You can suggest this after the new theme has been made and added to the game.

[hazy sigil]

ye but just saying after the main theme comes

[hollow shell]

We only allow suggestions for what is currently in the mod

(after all, you don't even know what the new theme will sound like)

[hazy sigil]

oh sorry

well i jsut really liked the other themes

will i even be able to fight twins with draedon lol

[violet dagger]

tbh enjoy the theme right now I don't think it's gonna change for a while

CDmusic has a ton of other stuff also like gd levels and he's also working on a remake of nihilus's theme from soa

[unique vector]

no

[crude geode]

Fair enough

[unique vector]

serious answer: we cant

trust us in that we would love to not have another year-long update as much as you do

but we’re prepping for a potential need to port for 1.4 this year so that’s gonna like severely fuck everything

[crude geode]

ahhh makes sense

so you’re mostly just waiting to say “fuck” to whatever you have in progress at the drop of a hat

[unique vector]

well moreso that we're expecting to need to drop what we're doing at some point

but we arent like forcelocking ourself into something that will take too long to do for now

[crude geode]

Makes sense

[silver silo]

you think thats gonna happen so soon?

[unique vector]

depends, we arent sure

and i dont know how much is public so i wont say much else

[silver silo]

👍

tbh its such a big thing idc how long it takes it sounds like hell on earth

[unique vector]

it'll probably just mostly be tedious

(balancing will be the actual hellscape)

[silver silo]

infinite flight accessory thanks red

[hazy sigil]

oh yea rip balancing that devs

[silver silo]

congratulations you've beaten a pre lunar events boss on expert mode you can now invalidate all wings and mounts because you fly forever

[hazy sigil]

ye

the potion that increase flight dur basicly useless

hope they just nerf it to doubles the flight time and keep the speed only

or maybe nerf it like that AND make it malice exclusive for eol

but imagine how they make eol harder

[crude geode]

Red’s guide on how to make pre-cultist bosses matter more
Step 1. uhhhh fuck infinite flight?
Step 2. ????
Step 3. Profit

[hazy sigil]

profid

[silver silo]

malice daytime exclusive or riot

[violet dagger]

name a better duo 1.4 and adding stuff that completely breaks mods

[hazy sigil]

ye

no you should replace 1.4 with red

[small timber]

cal will probably nerf it to like aerostone no.3

[hazy sigil]

ehh yea

[small timber]

some flight speed, some horizontal acceleration

[hazy sigil]

but better

[crude geode]

sounds incredibly boring

[silver silo]

and also giving infinite flight mounts to mourning wood and pirate ship

[small timber]

I mean the infinite flight part will be removed for sure

otherwise they have to put a gigantic downside on it (and it will still not be enough unless it is camper level)

[crude geode]

looks at cosmic car key and truffle

[half sage]

iirc fab said he plans to make it not work during bosses/events and be just an out of combat QOL accessory

[small timber]

they come at the cost of completely shit control and no dash

infinite flight on player and on mount is completely different

[hazy sigil]

oh god no pls

[violet dagger]

zenith tho

[hazy sigil]

that doesnt really make much sense and use for it tbh

[half sage]

[small timber]

zenith will probably be slapped to post-scal non shadowspec weapon

[violet dagger]

nah it'll probably be nerfed hard

some of the things I've seen planned are like

[small timber]

nerfing an iconic vanilla weapon that hard is... unpreferable

[hazy sigil]

either decrease damage, change reccipe, add iframes or decrease speed aka iframe but worse

[half sage]

iirc they were gonna make it post DOG but that was before pml balancing iirc so idk where it'd be now

[violet dagger]

adding iframes to it

[hazy sigil]

thats why zenith is so cringe and broken

mods have alot of trouble trying to nerf it

fucc zenith cringe af

[half sage]

wonder what happens if you mix different mods that tier shift it to different spots, does it maintain the new ingredients from both of the tier shifts or does one override the other, or will there be multiple recipes

[hazy sigil]

both ingredients

[half sage]

cuz redemption will shift it to either post neb or post 4th overlord and clam will shift it to somewhere else probably

[violet dagger]

what happens is you get told to not mix mods

[half sage]

[hazy sigil]

but it is based on if the other mod changes the zenith recipe or not

[hazy sigil]

damn

ok

[small timber]

all mods have to do something unless they have 0 post-ML content

zenith is about 6-7x times better than other weapon on tier

[half sage]

yea, even having one PML boss will have to make you tier shift it

[hazy sigil]

rework zenith lmao

[crude geode]

better yet delete it

[violet dagger]

true!

[half sage]

don't have to balance it if you remove it

[crude geode]

Anyways this is offtopic at this point and no suggestions will come of it

[silver silo]

guys they've said they're just gonna tier shift it, thats all

[hazy sigil]

make it either have a limited range, decrease its damage when enemies are afar, decrease base stats, make it give enemies some iframes, change recipes, rework it so that it attacks in a circle only, or just other kind of reworks

those are my ideas

[raven cradle]

oof

[crude geode]

Draedon Weapon Users when they attack once: woah this isn’t at 100%! It’s gonna be doing no damage in seconds at this rate!

[spring lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-no-angry-steve-carell-michael-scott-gif-5606969

[blissful osprey]

The cold divinity should be buffed, please (try) to get it to 270 (yikes) stars, for the stage of the game and malice mode it's abysmal, eye of night/flesh of infidelity has the same DPS

[exotic stag]

(mod suggs are 270. server suggs are 140)

nope

mod suggs havent changed yet

[stiff wren]

the star system is flawless

[blissful osprey]

just like the vile feeder pre-nerf?

4 out of 561 did

[stiff wren]

boy do i love seeing really good suggestions fail to reach the star requirement

[distant gyro]

be patient

[blissful osprey]

Exactly 🤣

[exotic stag]

"but not implemented" patient people

p a t i e n c e

now back to watching mudkips having a conversation for 10 hours

[blissful osprey]

I'm talking about the suggs that never passed in the past

[distant gyro]

changing the system in favor of lower will retroactively change everything

[exotic stag]

smug those ones still use the 200 star thing

[distant gyro]

just like the last time the star count is lowered

[exotic stag]

anything before rovers pin = still 200 stars

[blissful osprey]

yess, i'm talking about the ones in between pin and reduced star

[distant gyro]

which is the most troubling part

[blissful osprey]

so between 11 november and now (actualy soon but yk)

[distant gyro]

if you want everything to happen at this moment

[distant gyro]

120 suggestions will suddenly be sent

[crude geode]

^

[distant gyro]

and none of you will get feedback

because 120 is way too much for any dev to bother checking all

[blissful osprey]

I don't want everything to happen NOW, i'm just saying it should be LOWERED SOMEWHAT sometime SOON

Like, 200-ish? or 220 even

[distant gyro]

no, we have decided

[exotic stag]

its probably going to be 255

[distant gyro]

top 20% will pass

star count is no longer fixed

[crude geode]

Poggers.

[blissful osprey]

top 20% will pass?

[crude geode]

What’s the time frame for it? Weekly? Monthly?

[distant gyro]

the 20% of the suggestions with the highest star tally

2 weeks iirc

[crude geode]

Ehhhh

[distant gyro]

1 month is too long

[crude geode]

I get why

[distant gyro]

1 week is too short

[blissful osprey]

oh ok, i'll redo the sugg in about 3 weeks then, cause i LOVE the cold divinity, but it's worse than eye of night

[distant gyro]

it may also be one week with a week offset

[blissful osprey]

how do you know this? or is this a guess 🤔

[distant gyro]

so suggestions that are 8-14 days away will be sent routinely

[blissful osprey]

oh ok

[crude geode]

Also didn’t we bring up the problem of qol changes/unarguably positive suggestions taking up spots?

[distant gyro]

instead of picking from a 1-7 day roster which is rigged

[safe oasis]

DVD drives have access to dev channels iirc

[distant gyro]

still in experimentation

DVD drives? no

a specific portion do

[blissful osprey]

yes, but eye of night has more DPS

[crude geode]

Nah I think he’s right, if you’re that much of a boomer you deserve access

[fossil finch]

Balance suggs shouldn't even exist anyway

Don't waste your time on them

Just ping a tester

[blissful osprey]

WAIT YES, TESTERS FOR BALANCE

[exotic stag]

[blissful osprey]

THAT's ACTUALLY GENIUS

[crude geode]

It’s a known thing

[exotic stag]

thats been there for a while

[crude geode]

Indeed

pretty sure testers are busy with going through hardmode/pre-hardmode rn tho so like EHHHHH?

[distant gyro]

idk what to do with summoner in general

[crude geode]

It’s paused for the time being at the very least

[distant gyro]

such a weird class

[blissful osprey]

It's fun free damage from a distance

[crude geode]

It’s called being unique

[exotic stag]

summoner is in a weird place with the most bullshittery coded class or: literally just do nothing with it

[distant gyro]

it's just the fact that people find niche summons frustrating to use

especially notoriously ground minions

[blissful osprey]

Anyway i have to go do some schoolwork,
It's indeed a very unique class, just like druid

[crude geode]

I fucking hate grounded minion suggs

[blissful osprey]

Wait i have a suggestion that no doubt will hit 20%

[distant gyro]

so everything has to regress to fast homing hitscan

for people to like it

and honestly speed difficulty modifiers like malice might have a lot of influence over that

[crude geode]

Indeed

[distant gyro]

a bit too much

[crude geode]

also as a multiplayer player, having minions with low targeting ranges is a bitch for it

[blissful osprey]

there

[crude geode]

Known issue

[fossil finch]

i mean someone did come here asking for a homing ammo in phmode so they could hit eoc without aiming properly in malice

,

[grim tusk]

And got instantly ❗

[crude geode]

yep

[fossil finch]

yeah because it's a stupid idea

[blissful osprey]

I thought you were talking about mine xD

[crude geode]

I will say that summons should probably have increased aggro in multiplayer ngl

[fossil finch]

It proves altix' point though

[stiff wren]

the most tragic event in calamity mod history

[blissful osprey]

What would be a good sugg is an upgrade to chlorophyte bullets

[grim tusk]

Tempest staff man, it has all it needs to be good but its range is godfucking awful

[blissful osprey]

another sugg

[crude geode]

Yharon is especially notorious for this since if he’s not targeting you, good luck getting anything besides Ravens to work

[blissful osprey]

endo hydra exists ya know-

[exotic stag]

if you get hit with a fire attack iirc you get lit on fire for longer

[fossil finch]

Obscure vanilla debuff that doubles the effects of fire related debuffs

[grim tusk]

OoA mine sentry + huntress/red riding or totality breakers

[fossil finch]

yea

Vanilla,

[stiff wren]

near useless debuff inflicted by one singular weapon or enemy number 35463

[fossil finch]

calamity also has the one rogue wep fsr,

[distant gyro]

something will be done about debuffs at some point

maybe even the next update

wow that would be crazy

[crude geode]

Yes but it’s range is abysmal for Yharon in multiplayer which is the main point I was bringing up

[fossil finch]

Just make crabulon have no tile collision so he falls infinitely

Easy fix

[blissful osprey]

Increase Tempest Staff Range/Damage

It's a QoL thing that's easy to implement, and makes it viable for the stage of the game it's in.

this one good?

[fossil finch]

no

[blissful osprey]

yikes

[stiff wren]

just make crabulon a flying boss with no tile collision

[fossil finch]

There's no reasoning (well, there's no real fundamenting as to why is it bad/why does it need this buff)

It's also not qol

It's a balance change

[blissful osprey]

Increase Tempest Staff Range/Damage

It's a QoL thing that's easy to implement, and makes it viable for the stage of the game it's in.

this?

[exotic stag]

no

[blissful osprey]

i forgor

Increase Tempest Staff (aggro) Range

It's a balance change that makes it viable for the stage of the game it's in, increasing it's consistency and making it on par with other staffs of the post-fishron tier.

[exotic stag]

your basically just suggesting "here buff every staff one by one"

[crude geode]

^

[wheat ocean]

crabulon block stuck

[blissful osprey]

make it a flying boss lmao

[grim tusk]

“Easy to implement”

Have you seen vanilla spaghetti code

[wheat ocean]

nah, it should be able to go through blocks on malice

i spawned it and it got stuck in a wall for a little bit

[blissful osprey]

this is the one i'm putting up

[fossil finch]

Storm don't do that

It is easy to edit the stats of vanilla weapons

You're being pretty cringe with all the "vanilla code bad" stuff lately
Tone it down, really

[blissful osprey]

hell i bet i could edit the stats of a weapon with a tutorial (and 10 hours...)

[exotic stag]

(edit the stats. but the AI)

[fossil finch]

not that hard either

[distant gyro]

it's not hard to implement an AI override

[blissful osprey]

edit the aggro range lmao

[distant gyro]

but it is to balance

[fossil finch]

yea

It's just balance

[distant gyro]

as mentioned summoner is fuck

[blissful osprey]

Increase Tempest Staff (aggro) Range

It's a balance change that makes it viable for the stage of the game it's in, increasing it's consistency and making it on par with other staffs of the post-fishron tier.

final one, i'll brb

[crude geode]

Wasn’t squirrel squire staff changed this update to be less ape shit?

[exotic stag]

^

[crude geode]

Or at least in 1.5

[exotic stag]

it sure was

[distant gyro]

it is still

[crude geode]

so it wasn’t fixed?

[distant gyro]

no but

[fossil finch]

It was fixed

It's just bad

[distant gyro]

it has a different issue

[fossil finch]

Like

Really fucking bad

At least it does hit enemies now

It's still awful

[distant gyro]

tl;dr never bring a squirrel to a cave

[exotic stag]

the ai is fixed but its following the player is still bad

[distant gyro]

i mean that's the point but

god damn take that advice seriously

not that it's an issue anyway

3/4 other early game summoner weapons are found on the surface

[blissful osprey]

The challenge is the point, but it shouldn't be this obnoxious

[distant gyro]

the most stupid part of early game summoner is just that

you have no idea how stupid it is to get a minion slot early game

actually, you do

[blissful osprey]

true

there's only 2 pre-scourge

[distant gyro]

if you played the class before

you know how much a minion slot helps

[crude geode]

Indeed

[distant gyro]

it effectively doubles your dps and is the ONLY class to do so

imagine an early game melee accessory that doubles your melee damage

you would crave that and use it for the rest of the game

[crude geode]

I’d debate that with rogue stealth but yeah it’s pretty wack.

[distant gyro]

for summoner that's practically the entire gimmick

so the problem just stems from the fact that the power spike for early game summoner is just insane

buff squirrel and have it be stupidly powerful when you have 2 minion slots

[blissful osprey]

it is, eye of night is better than summons pre-plantera

[distant gyro]

or keep squirrel balanced for 2 minion slots

at the expense of unbearable early game

[crude geode]

You know

You could add an accessory to the starter bag that gives you a minion slot if you have only 1

[exotic stag]

give the player a free wulfrum battery

[blissful osprey]

bruh that's only 7% damage

[distant gyro]

ignore that the wulfrum battery does nothing that early

[crude geode]

(Reason #27539283 nobody uses Wulfrum armor)

[distant gyro]

7% of 7 is 0.49

[fossil finch]

What if wulfrum battery overcharge
Then again that's what wulfrum armor should

[exotic stag]

7% is very good

early game atleast

[fossil finch]

no?

[crude geode]

It’s not

[blissful osprey]

it's not, it does jack sh*t

[distant gyro]

not even 1 damage

[blissful osprey]

[crude geode]

You need a summon with at least 15 damage for it to give you a single point of damage

[distant gyro]

preboss is pretty loose

[blissful osprey]

that's true, but the jungle is a tad bit tedious, 3 minion slots pre-boss and 4 slots post isn't too bad

I should do a playthough where i only do the largest possible skips

[distant gyro]

cinder blossom, belladonna, frost blossom, and squirrel are all pre-boss

you can clearly distinguish which ones are supposed to be later

[blissful osprey]

it does, worth it pre-hardmode though

[crude geode]

It’s usually referred to as post golem, @blissful osprey

[blissful osprey]

tysm

[cobalt pewter]

idk if it's done yet but

@wheat ocean

*this is how you bold your title*

[unique vector]

does suggs disc usually have an argument at least once a day

[fossil finch]

Eh no?

[exotic stag]

ooa event

be like

[fossil finch]

dying

[hollow shell]

@dusty path Why is the problem you described, of misclicking with the wrong weapon, a problem exclusive to true melee weapons?
Can't you miss your shot with any weapon type?

[small timber]

ah yes of course post-DoG ooa for mega betsy, something just everyone loves

tbh the problem is more with the summoner nerf: it is super hard for non-summoner to clear regular ooa on tier (and it probably will be difficult to balance a added-wave ooa)

[hollow shell]

@wheat ocean Remove that "forgor to bold" bit from your sugg, it'll be awkward when it's made permanent.

btw, bolding is done with two asterisks on either side, **like this** like this

[dusty path]

Hmm, true

But missing and wasting energy is bad

[hollow shell]

But that's

that's part of it

[dusty path]

Nah, deleted

[hollow shell]

You use up energy with each usage and you have to try and hit your shots, lest your energy go to waste

Aight

[fossil finch]

No 👍

[exotic stag]

no

[eternal escarp]

its already marked but
the suggestion is very specific, lacks any proper reasoning and isnt formatted properly

plus progressive items are absolutely stupid

melee already has 4 weapon lines that alone span an entire playthrough

[fossil finch]

Sissy

[small timber]

and the most important point about murasama is that it is a reference, it is intended to be locked until it can be use at full power

making it scale/available earlier literally go against the design of the weapon

[fossil finch]

I also like how they just want it turned into a boring projectile sword by the end

[small timber]

so the suggestion should rather be "yo murasama is shit compare to dragon's rage please buff him"

[eternal escarp]

making it scale would go agianst all weapon designs at this point

considering all scaling gimmicks were deleted

with 1 exception of The Community

[small timber]

scaling weapon is just so unnecessary except just as a gimmick

[eternal escarp]

(which is an accesory lo)

[fossil finch]

In general there's just,

[small timber]

especially when many weapon have entire upgrade line

[fossil finch]

Sissy, adition of whole new items for no reason, no reason in general, stat specifying, and turning the funny mgr reference into projectile sword

Amazing

[eternal escarp]

melee alone has 4 lines that can ignore the rest of melee as a whole

Biome Blade, Caustic Edge, Enchanted Sword (to the arks) and Pwngehammer

wow 3 of them are projectile swords!

[exotic stag]

(oh btw dont forget some ore swords. like cosmilites one)

[gray nebula]

rofling

also

3 of the m are projectile swords... for now

for ever. I am struggling

[fossil finch]

How can you struggle you're the top 0.01%

[exotic stag]

0.01% of suffering devs

[violet dagger]

this is an sis taken to the extreme lmao

[hot zephyr]

Pain eternal

The longer the Draedon Update exists, the more ❗ we accrue

[exotic stag]

(honestly just implement the stupid verification system i had a while ago)

[frail mantle]

no

[violet dagger]

just like add a quiz about dont's you have to pass to post a suggestion

[exotic stag]

thats literally

what i had said

when i made it

[hot zephyr]

it wouldn't work

nor is there enough interest to implement

[exotic stag]

it'd work better then having 60 exclammed suggestions every day..

[frail mantle]

just adding a ❗ to the bad suggestions works perfectly well and is way easier than making anyone who wants to suggest something go through a quizlet round testing your in-depth knowledge of the FAQ

[hot zephyr]

the ❗suggestions are annoying but a necessary evil of the most realistic system

[gray nebula]

how are they annoying

they're funny to look at

[violet dagger]

this tbh

[hot zephyr]

true

when looking at them from the perspective of a normal suggestor they're annoying but otherwise they're funny as hell

[violet dagger]

I had a picture of a funny fargocord suggestion a while back

I don't think I have it but it was

[hot zephyr]

it would kinda be epic if the suggbot deleted ❗posts earlier and DM'd the suggestor that their post was removed and it'd link the FAQ!

[frail mantle]

when looking at them from the perspective of someone who has seen hundreds of suggestions pass through the system they're annoying because you've basically seen it all

[grim tusk]

:soootrue:

[violet dagger]

maybe as soon as a suggestion gets the ❗ it sends the dm

[grim tusk]

Also i feel like we have gotten as much ❗ if not more than fucking rust and dust

[violet dagger]

and then it deletes it later

[hot zephyr]

well yeah

[grim tusk]

Heck maybe even rust and dust + AR

[frail mantle]

eh

[hot zephyr]

1.5 is more popular than the other two

[exotic stag]

(insert lets get the guy with the sugg stats)

[frail mantle]

i'd say if someone actually cares that their suggestion breaks the rules they'll read the faq on their own once it's pointed out to them

[stiff wren]

They should [Insert major change here]

I think it would be cool and interesting and it's obvious why it should be done

[violet dagger]

honestly my main problem is when suggestions that aren't salvagable stay up for the full time and then get deleted

[frail mantle]

that's how the system be

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-discussion message

[frail mantle]

the bot gives exclaimed suggestions a chance to be fixed and if they aren't,

[grim tusk]

[violet dagger]

well if someone suggests a new boss I mean you can't make that into a valid suggestion

[small timber]

at least it is no longer 50 suggs per day now

[frail mantle]

then that's their problem

[violet dagger]

the problem is if it clogs up #suggestions-posting

[frail mantle]

that doesn't really matter

unexclaimed suggestions are sent through regardless of how many exclaimed suggestions exist

[exotic stag]

(yeah but it clogs up sugg posting. meaning bot go down and we cant see the other suggs in time because get this: those probably need editing too)

[grim tusk]

Maybe suggs that could be salvaged could remain

But suggs that are strictly don’ts can get deleted

Also people treating murasama as if it was unique to Cal

https://tenor.com/view/afham-jetstream-sam-same-minuano-mgr-gif-21526160

Actually now just like in MGRR you now get the sword from the third to last boss

(Although on MGRR its only useable on the last)

[unique vector]

idk i think automation of sugg deletion can grab too many false positives to be worth

[grim tusk]

Well it’ll be made by humans right?

[unique vector]

or be too restricted to where it’d barely do anything

[grim tusk]

Right?

[unique vector]

:D

[exotic stag]

[violet dagger]

well when there is a new boss suggestion it takes the same amount of effort to delete it as to add an ❗

[hot zephyr]

not really flagging suggs automatically but the bot deleting and messaging posters of human-flagged suggestions

[exotic stag]

ah yes

spicy old ones

no waiit