suggestions-discussion

[lucid marsh]

I'll leave it up I guess, even though it's invalid

[worthy lintel]

grab a time machine, go back in 2012 and tell Red to not make melee a fat mage

[lucid marsh]

Haha yeah

Red is kinda dumb

[deft yew]

do. not. get. me. started.

[shell grotto]

keep in mind how long it takes to balance

[cobalt pewter]

remove half broadswords

gets rid of a good chunk of balancing time

[deft yew]

remove shortswords?

[cobalt pewter]

and gets rid of broadsword bloat too

[lucid marsh]

I mean I'd say that some of the ideas in this mod are equally dumb... But it was one of the first big ones so I give it a pass

[deft yew]

[deft yew]

adrenaline is inferior to rage

change my mind

[lucid marsh]

I can't. You're right

Dodging isn't really practical, so rage is he only one you're likely to get when it matters

[gray nebula]

remove a lot of broadswords

and then make the ones that remove be cool

❗

i am working on it

[cobalt pewter]

shortswords can kinda have potential if we're basing them off 1.4 (directional and be multiple times in a single use like Gladius)

but broadswords are far beyond saving

[deft yew]

[cobalt pewter]

the best way to do it is to get rid of them

[silver silo]

[lucid marsh]

Ok but wait

What if

Broadswords

Become big 1.4 shortswords

[cobalt pewter]

no

[sleek turret]

never

[deft yew]

YES YES YES
also ruler not autoswinging

[cobalt pewter]

[deft yew]

er no was that gladius

[cobalt pewter]

but yes

[sleek turret]

ruler lmao

[gray nebula]

that would be funny

[deft yew]

ruler existing tbh

return it to how it was

[lucid marsh]

Yes, things that are not auto swing, but slow enough to not destroy your fingers, but also have enough piercing and damage and knockback to make up for it, are a food idea

[gray nebula]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/716867315869810770/927232495894814800/2022-01-02_17-10-35.mp4 this is a broadsword i think

oops haha the framing is all wrong haaha i guess you wont get to see a thing

[lucid marsh]

What

[cobalt pewter]

ok iban

go back to work you silly goose

[sleek turret]

nice exo mechs arena

[silver silo]

iban you beach

[gray nebula]

[worthy lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/whipped-whip-stickfigure-punishment-whip-it-good-gif-4883448

good teaser

i appreciate

[lucid marsh]

Oh yeah, 1.4 flails are also pog

[crude geode]

Indeed

[lucid marsh]

Terra flail when

[deft yew]

make them lack damage entirely, remove manual targeting with staffs, but retain their extra effects like dark harvest

[cobalt rose]

wait what do you mean by "make monoliths have lower range" i am confused

[crude geode]

You may want to specify more @lucid marsh cuz I have no clue what monoliths you’re referring to

[worthy lintel]

i think he meant larger but he did a typo

[lucid marsh]

Oh, the vanity ones

And no I meant smaller

[worthy lintel]

no, the lunar monoliths

the background ones

sadly i have to say that its a placement skill issue

yea

[lucid marsh]

The ones added by calamity specifically

Not the lunar ones

[ruby plover]

those... those are calamity vanities i think

[cobalt rose]

whar

[ruby plover]

i dont think calamity adds any?

[lucid marsh]

The ones added by calamity have like 4x the range of the lunar ones

Wait

[gray nebula]

[lucid marsh]

Are those calval

[gray nebula]

fail

[lucid marsh]

Fuck

[gray nebula]

so much fail

[worthy lintel]

epic fail

[sleek turret]

calamity adds monoliths,,,

wait no shit I forgot again

[grim tusk]

Astral monoliths

Which are wood

[lucid marsh]

Yeah not those ones

Though that reminds me

[crude geode]

~~Iban stop lurking in here just to say L to bad suggestions ~~

[lucid marsh]

The astral biome doesn't extend up very high

[gray nebula]

i have sugg voting muted

[lucid marsh]

Doesn't even extend to the top of the monolith thing

[gray nebula]

i just check out new suggestions to see if i must either make fun of them (respectfully) or say its planned

[crude geode]

Do you mean posting?

Cuz that ain’t where new suggs are

[gray nebula]

no

[crude geode]

Wacky

Truly a neutral force if ever there was one

[gray nebula]

im a dev anyways if i see a cool idea i can just add it to my brain

[lucid marsh]

Calamity's vanities isn't Canon, right?

[silver silo]

silence, ||developer|| 🦀

[lucid marsh]

I didn't realize their jelly princess npc wasn't from calamity mod

When I was playing

Until I checked the wiki looking for their dialogue

?

Sorry I meant jelly priestess

The one from CalVal that sells blocks and decorations

Anyways, time for me to go be a dumbass elsewhere

[distant gyro]

uh oh ground minions

general agreement here

[gray nebula]

[crude geode]

Solution: cope with grounded minions

If you’re not willing to flatten out your world then suffer

[hollow shell]

I dunno if this sugg is a great idea

or not.

I feel like it doesn't even matter cuz it'll be Malice-only anyway

[small timber]

ya kinda, I just feel like a system like that should not punish long-term dps

even on Malice

I will see if many people agree on it as completely unnecessary (as it will be Malice only) then I will delete it, because I see a point in it being change but also how a change like this which take effort and balancing nightmare should be discarded

[cobalt pewter]

when we delete malice

[spare prawn]

yoo

there was a guy the other day saying that sunken seas should have mushroom biomes

and mine has got 2

lol

[cobalt pewter]

probably not for #suggestions-discussion

[crude geode]

tbh it should probably wait until we see what the fuck malice even becomes and how rdr plays into it ngl

[small timber]

then I guess I will just save the draft for now

although I expect rdr to be as dumb as it is currently right now (like giving worm bosses except DoG 50% DR)

though in my own malice playthrough it is not really noticeable on non-worms because I don't use high damage setup (knowing rdr exist)

[small timber]

@deep lotus specific item suggestion and sub-class only suggestion are generally violating some form of don't

[deep lotus]

My bad, thought it would be alright as mostly everyone at some point uses a non-direct summon

[small timber]

not really, it is a bit too specific, most classes do not use non-direct summon

as for example that you listed: fungal clump is generally summoner only (or just as a place-holder accessory), Heart of Elements is now basically summoner only, many people prefer auric over demon shade armor

it is really not common at all

and from the changes made, it seems Calamity have the intention to make non-direct summon more summoner focus

[deep lotus]

Honestly makes quite a bit of sense, I haven't gotten to the part where I can make Heart of Elements but there's quite a good chance I use it regardless of class, having a nice chunk of DPS if I need to focus on dodging, or don't want to lose my adrenaline in a tough fight. Thanks for bringing that to my attention

[small timber]

just in case you are unaware, HotE get changed (or you might say nerfed) to no longer give stat and scale with summoner damage

basically it is really weak if you are not using summoner, so ya there is also that

[frozen hornet]

demonshade devil will be removed anyways

[deep lotus]

Just edited my suggestion, hope it complies better with the rules now. Tried to be more specific, as I didn't really mean ONLY summon accessories, but other similar homing items aswell

[crude geode]

So make homing weapons even more braindead?

[small timber]

the title is a bit unfocused, I can't understand what you are trying to say

try to make the title more specific

oh ok after reading through I might get what you mean, chlorophyte bullet tend to just target the closest enemy and I think it is not really a problem, because most of the time you DO want to clear small enemies first

[crude geode]

The current downsides of homing are that it (TYPICALLY) does less damage, and will home onto useless shit instead of bosses. Making it so that every homing weapon has nanoblack reaper level homing is absurd.

[small timber]

as for fungal clump, it is just a pseudo-summon so instead of making it having weird targeting prioriety, just say fungal clump focus the same enemy as summoner weapon right-click targeting

ya it has more to do with the fact that weapon with homing simply have lower dps, even after chlorophyte bullet is unnerfed

[deep lotus]

Made a bit of a smaller edit, I admit I did have a little bit of a stroke trying to title it correctly. Also made an important distinction that I don't mean something insanely accurate to the focus, just a bit of a bias, as more of a helper. Also Clarified that having it be a focus closer to vanilla summon focusing, rather than being an item, which I meant to do in edit 2

[small timber]

I think chlorophyte bullet one can be a bit hard to implement, since there is no such mechanic exist in Terraria (selected homing for projectile/bullets); for the non-direct summon it can make sense that it target the same enemy selected by summoner-right click

especially the fact that calamity already significantly reduce the "homing range" to try to solve the problem, but it is still a problem as you said

[wheat jetty]

Wow

My suggestion goes to 110 star in just a day

Seems that everyone want a Meld Hamaxe to be added

[fossil finch]

Can we make braindead homing not more even braindead please?

Your chloro bullets are going to the target you do not want? Ok, use another bullet next time and aim

[eternal escarp]

while the sugg is technically valid

yeah the idea is pretty counter-intuitive

usually theres just miles of better options then braindead homing

if homing doesnt work the way you want it then dont use it, rely on an actually good aim

[small timber]

does anyone find that golem's hitbox (particularly the head) before detach is absurdly small?

because that is the only boss I actually have to use homing or I cannot hit properly

although it is probably more of a ranger problem since other classes generally have slight homing/aoe at this point

[fossil finch]

I've never had that problem

[exotic stag]

elemental hamaxe

[deft yew]

exo hamaxe

[exotic stag]

the plaxe

plexi axe

[cobalt pewter]

@dim maple

• decide whether it should be sold or crafted in your sugg.
• crafting recipe doesn't need to be detailed.
• unless ammo box is crafted into something else, there's probably not much priority in making it more accessible.
• ammo box sucks

like

[exotic stag]

(ooh a 20% or so ammo reservation buff. how useful..)

[cobalt pewter]

ammo box is straight up the worst station buff in Terraria

[exotic stag]

it does nothing for rangers hat are in hardmode.

[cobalt pewter]

it could probably somewhat serve a purpose in early game where your crafting is limited

but not by much

[dim maple]

20% chance not to consume ammo doesn't sound like a lot but it still helps for me anyways since a lot of high defense bosses can just eat up 3 stacks of bullets per fight

[exotic stag]

(then just get inf pouches)

[spare prawn]

whats weird is that my arms dealer is selling ammo boxes

[dim maple]

thats probably from another mod

mine doesnt sell it

[exotic stag]

also you can just buy boolets

[stable crane]

The camper need the ammo box

And the camper help a lot

With the regen

I remember doing a rogue playtrought

And wanting to do the camper

It never appear in the travelling merchant store

[exotic stag]

then your just unlucky there

cause its post golem

[stable crane]

Yes

But you need ammo box wich is pure rng

[exotic stag]

camper is post golem. if you arent doing any travelling merchants there and never get a ammo box thats just weirdly unlucky

[stable crane]

That is why

People can be very unlucky

And some thing can never appear

[exotic stag]

but to be post golem and not even getting one means you have to have a very verry bad travelling merchant karma. or your just skipping travelling merchant

[stable crane]

I never got a ranged weapon from travelling merchant

And like 2 ammo box in one playtrought where i was going as summoner

So yeah

Some things depending pure rng

Is a really bad thing

Since some class can need it

But it never appear

[exotic stag]

(but i mean camper on ranged? ammo box is naturally just negated by ammo reserv potions so like meh. and if you REALLY needed camper that badly. just wait till later since you probably dont need it asap)

[stable crane]

If you dont get it post golem

Its were you see why the pure rng based is a bit

[exotic stag]

pure rng based,
RoD in vanilla and people not complaining about it:

i swear we went over the TM thing a while ago lemme find it

[stable crane]

RoD in vanilla

That thing is

[exotic stag]

byeet read convo here

[deft yew]

sounds kinda perverted

[exotic granite]

Me on my way to suck out all the water out of the traveling merchant to make a frost barrier

[exotic stag]

@ashen warren Semi-SIS. also art attack kinda already exists in changelog.

[ashen warren]

oh

[grim tusk]

Still a SIS

and suggesting something made of shadowspec is simply banned

[exotic stag]

yes i know i was telling him its both

[grim tusk]

Best way to get an item you want is to randomly and sparcely post on #calamity-mod-talk when a dev is lurking

[gray nebula]

not if the idea sucx

[exotic stag]

i.e most weapon ideas usually

[gray nebula]

unless it s mine

[exotic stag]

well

dev privilege

[gray nebula]

even if I wasn't a dev my ideas would be awesome

[exotic stag]

make one.

[gray nebula]

I am

become a plaguebringer tier patreon or higher if you want to know what

[exotic stag]

(ah yes monei. something i do not have. poggers)

[hardy dock]

What does the rogue label bring to the table anyway @ashen warren

Seems like it’d fit mage way more

[half sage]

also this is just that one weapon from secrets of the shadows

[hardy dock]

Also why Shadowspec

[half sage]

yea

shadowspec suggestions are a no

[hardy dock]

[exotic stag]

(thats moreso a bug rather then just a sugg fix)

(and its pretty much unfixable due to redcode)

@stable musk ^

[stable musk]

Ok

[rugged belfry]

Interesting concept, although Mana is kinda Mage’s thing

[ashen warren]

wat. the. hecc.

[ruby plover]

just like in real life

[deft yew]

[exotic stag]

@swift mango title and body say two different htings

one says move it to the hallow/astral and one says reduce the spread that is given to them

(and also begone evil exists)

[swift mango]

right begone evil exists mb

forgot about that one

[exotic stag]

well rover hasnt checked i dont think

[lucid marsh]

Thoughts on my suggestion?

[cobalt pewter]

not everything needs to be upgraded

that's the reason progression exists

you advance, make better stuff, do new stuff

....that aside, I can somewhat see the appeal of an upgraded slime rain ft. Queen Slime when 1.4 tmod hits

but not that strong of argument tbh

[hollow shell]

Your suggestion could use more reasoning to it

Right now it's pretty much only the sentence "The slime rain is boring after early game"

the rest is possibilities

[ruby plover]

Also the slime rain is so, so rare

[lucid marsh]

Ok the thing is slime rain still happens regardless of progression so if it's going to keep happening it could be made more interesting

[grim tusk]

justify the possibilities

[lucid marsh]

It's happened like 4 times in hardmode for me

[ruby plover]

Rng

I literally have playthroughs after playthroughs that don’t even have 1

[hollow shell]

Yes it would be good to elaborate on the fact that it is pervasive throughout the whole game

despite garnering no increased challenge nor reward to the player after pre-Boss

[lucid marsh]

Ok but I think the average is like a few times per playthrough

Edited the suggestion

[hollow shell]

That is a bit better yeah

It would also be good to explain why the new bonus items would be a good idea

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message hmm I wonder if I should repost

is there any plans for AR t3

[lucid marsh]

Edited again

[grim tusk]

if there is then no need to repost

[hollow shell]

We have a little bit of plans yes

[grim tusk]

add more justification, feels shallow

[lucid marsh]

Ok will do

[hollow shell]

This is acceptable I think but if you can elaborate more that'd be welcome too

[grim tusk]

i wonder if the sugg system should be changed

stars atm feel kinda pointless other than marking how much people want a change

and downvotes simply do not work

[exotic stag]

stars should just be a delivery thing. thumbs up should be the communitys overall feeling of the sugg

[grim tusk]

atm star goal of 270 is unrealistic however, back when we had 200 a ton of suggs got stuck even for months in accepted/delivered hell, maybe just having a system where we combine the dev voting and the community voting

[lucid marsh]

Simplified and elaborated

[grim tusk]

yea seems good

[lucid marsh]

Anyways I think maybe making the star requirement like 200 but then also adding a downvote system would be good

[grim tusk]

stars as rn will represent how much people want em, then we can have a upvote/downvote system for devs, and the voting will show the acceptance of both parties

[lucid marsh]

So if an idea is mediocre you can vote against it

Or that too

[exotic stag]

(i meant like using thumbs up as a way to see the community's liking of it. stars are just for delivery)

[grim tusk]

devs are few, so downvotes for em should be fine

[grim tusk]

they pretty much serve the same thing

community likes, gets sent

[grim tusk]

this will add more transparency to the system and let the community know the dev's opinions on the matter

[cobalt pewter]

cope iirc

(devs already have their own voting system in dev environment)

[exotic stag]

(wow two voting systems so helpfule)

[grim tusk]

My sugg was essentially bringing the dev’s downvote system here for transparency

Will solve not knowing about suggs stuck in sent hell

And could also act as a veto

No need to send a sugg if the devs think its piss

[exotic stag]

should probably word that to be "give deific thunderbolt the starfury block pierce

[cobalt pewter]

@spare prawn look up

[spare prawn]

thx

[grim tusk]

We dont know

And devs wont bother answering about it, maybe a joke or tomfoolery

[grim tusk]

Just like with Violence

[cobalt pewter]

there's nothing we know about Art Attack aside from the fact that it's potentially a reference to a special move of the same name in a Paper Mario game

[grim tusk]

Violence ||breeds violence, but in the end it has to be this way ||

[cobalt pewter]

british show?

[grim tusk]

Epic show

Watched it as a kid

[cobalt pewter]

DAMN

https://www(dot)mariowiki(dot)com/Art_Attack

replace the (dot)

with .

that's what i was talking about

[worthy lintel]

is mario wiki not whitelisted

(sorry for little offtopic but you got me curious)

damn

[hollow shell]

https://www.mariowiki.com/Art_Attack

Apologies

And yea the tMod mirror is not whitelisted because the bot is bugged
Nothing we add to the whitelist actually gets added
Only the initial set of sites we fed into it are whitelisted

[silver silo]

🤔

[grim tusk]

Used to be, but iirc they fixed it

[exotic stag]

damn pokemon ranger really hittin up nintendo

[silver silo]

[exotic stag]

sadly they couldn't do the same for their failures of games

[distant gyro]

#suggestions-voting message

original btw

the flowers follow this line pretty closely

[radiant meadow]

@ripe owl potion of omniscience not hightlighting deus mines is an unintended byproduct of making them a circular hitbox

and I would classify that as a bug

[languid quartz]

the era of SIS's

pretty cool

[ripe owl]

Just like I mentioned every-damn-where, I don't know if it's a bug or a new change

So I posted it in sugg

[radiant meadow]

well I'm telling you it's a bug

and I plan on fixing it today or tomorrow

[hollow shell]

An okay suggestion

I dunno why you'd pick Ashen Stalactite as the thing to upgrade, considering that is a Hell weapon and therefore typically obtained later in PreHardmode anyhow

[faint warren]

Well in that case would be a non-upgraded weapon?

[hollow shell]

Sure, doesn't need to be an upgrade

Doesn't even need to be crafted, could be a Slime God drop

[faint warren]

Wait, let me edit the suggestion then

Done

[distant gyro]

slime god stuff are really weird

gel darts, overloaded blaster, and slime puppet look like they should all be a part of the purified gel crafting set

since they have the statigel palette look

[radiant meadow]

gel darts used to be crafted with purified gel but there was an issue iirc so we just chucked it onto miss little thief

[distant gyro]

i never knew why that change happened

the ice stars move thing made sense kinda

[radiant meadow]

ice stars also got resprited to look like permafrost gear

[distant gyro]

way later down the line but yes

[radiant meadow]

fixed it for next update along with insert 20 other boss projectiles

[drowsy plank]

was looking at this, scrolled up a bit, and noticed people have been asking for auric slime for 4 years and we still don't have it;
#suggestions-voting message

oh shoot i think i left the ping on on that

whoops

[ashen warren]

bro i said exploit in the damn title

and it was already well known by that point

[grim tusk]

by the experienced

but random Cmt people didnt

[ashen warren]

no they did

it was everywhere

at least a week before i ended up making that

im unsure how its misinformation when its stated to be an exploit??

[cobalt pewter]

I was talking about redditors making the exploit "the way to play the class"

[ashen warren]

that is no fault of mine

besides gitguts got over 10x the views mine did

[cobalt pewter]

ye, and I was shifting the topic to the redditors getting exposed to the exploit

[ashen warren]

calamity reddit is a shithole

[cobalt pewter]

totally

should be nuked or smth

[ashen warren]

omw

[languid quartz]

if you can't agree on gameplay at least agree the reddit is bad

🤝

[ripe owl]

Das gud

[silver silo]

fixed it for you

[ashen warren]

TRUE

[crude geode]

Problem: Malice isn’t tied to revengeance @clear flint

[clear flint]

Right
But it can stack w/ revengeance
Just was throwing a non - item idea out there

[warped lichen]

only death is linked to rev iirc

[clear flint]

Ok?
Just was throwing a idea around to breath new-ish life to the rage/adrenaline mechanics w/out effecting rev

[warped lichen]

anyway, any opinions on my astrum deus suggestion?

might've written it kinda awkwardly but you prolly get the idea 💀

[cobalt pewter]

@clear flint sorry to burst your bubble but Malice wasn't intended to, and likely will never be, something that's fun

and I don't see how adding random shit to rage and adren would make malice less bullshit

[clear flint]

At the same time
It's not really to make it less bullshit
It's to add variety to the fights
Sorry if I'm talking out of my ass, I want to be a game designer once I'm done with college

[cobalt pewter]

it can be a bit better worded, but it's merely just my nitpicky self speaking. the sugg is fine

there's no excuse for split deus worms to not share health now that artemis and apollo set a precedent for it

[warped lichen]

its just really weird that the worms take damage seperately but die at the same time

[small timber]

even if it is just a random idea, I will recommend suggest it for baseline revengeance instead of malice

making it malice exclusive will make people even more mad that something is locked behind malice

astrum deus one depend on how it is implemented, because you can argue that phase 2 astrum deus have 100% and 99% hp from both worm or 100% from only 1 worm

[clear flint]

Ok fine
I'll suggest it for baseline rev in a few days
Once the other one is out of everyone's mind
I just thought that it'll be too good for baseline rev

[small timber]

devs can do balancing around it if the idea get accepted, you probably don't have to worry about it

on the other hand the devs' current approach to malice is basically "if it is too hard for you don't do it", though I will not say I like that approach a lot, but adding a mechanic to compensate "malice's bullshit" is unlikely to get accepted

[clear flint]

Not to compensate
But to spice things up

[small timber]

ya I get your idea, just from the viewpoint of devs that the chance of it getting accepted may be slim, if it is malice exclusive

I do agree that rage and adrenaline have potential for class specific benefit rather than bland broad-wide damage boost

[clear flint]

Okie dokie

[rose latch]

only problem with deus combined health is that you do more damage since you have double the segments to hit, for the same amount of health

since you can hit both at the same time

so the total health pool would have to be changed

[small timber]

ya in my case I very often get both worm to below 10% hp before killing them, simply don't have the luxury to distinguish which worm I am hitting

[small timber]

^

[rose latch]

not a problem with exo twins as it's stupidly hard to hit both at the same time

damn I didnt see that

but it would definitely have to be 100% of both

because then they would be shredded too fast

[small timber]

ya likely, or slightly lower than 100% of both, so astrum deus will have around 720k hp phase 2 alone

[rose latch]

if it was the health of just one

considering that you won't be hitting both consistently, 90% of both seems like a reasonable number

but that's at the devs' discretion

[cobalt pewter]

@molten bone "it would be cool" is not strong enough of a reason. Besides they're probably working on it

[deft yew]

Or just, you know, make AD not run away half the time and come back at mach 12

Same with DoG

[molten bone]

fair

[deft yew]

Also Slime God and the Exo Mechs don’t have one either

[gray nebula]

Malice Moment

the problem with malice drops is that it's really discouraging because I don't want to put a lot of effort into something barely anyone will get and use

[cobalt pewter]

tell fab to like, make malice not cringe

then everyone winning

[deft yew]

tell fab to remove seriously rework half of the bosses so malice indirectly becomes not cringe

[sleek turret]

Good suggestion

[gray nebula]

ok but

making malice not cringe is like

so much extra effort when theres already revengeance redoing the boss ai from the ground up

[exotic stag]

just make malice new revengeance

[cobalt pewter]

my day be so fine

then boom

fighting the fucking slog that is OOA again before repeating my MAIDS Betsy attempt

[hollow shell]

Didn't we make it so you can speed up the event by interacting with the crystal

[cobalt pewter]

(true)

(still a slog)

(since you need to refight the entire thing to get some actual stuff out of Betsy)

[earnest raptor]

make ooa army skip right to wave 6

if you beaten it

[gray nebula]

hwhy are you doing MAIDS betsy

[hollow shell]

(what's the S)

[cobalt pewter]

(shroomed ig? lol? i was exaggerating on that part)

but point is Betsy is confusing as hell when it comes to whether it's a boss

but I feel like not making Betsy a boss is a better deal for literally everyone

[gray nebula]

yes

wait dose she still drop vesuvius

[cobalt pewter]

no

malice rav drops it now iirc

[gray nebula]

thank god

i mean wait wha twhy rav itd fit so much more on brimmy

Malice Moment™️

[cobalt pewter]

shrug

probably they don't wanna bother rebalancing Vesuvius?

rav and betsy are pretty close in progression

[earnest raptor]

just make vesuvius fire blue lol

[exotic stag]

just make vesuvius a drop from a funny meteor but again.

[deft yew]

Plus Ravager needed something

[small timber]

Make up your mind whether you want the abyss chest loot to be "better" or more "thematically fitting"

Terminus exist there for lore reason so I think you should completely exclude that, while I do agree silver bars and EoC summon (I didnt check if they actually spawn) is a bit useless, but corals/gravels is even more useless

[sleek turret]

tbh eoc summon shouldn't appear in dungeon chests too

[small timber]

Ya they removed it from underground chests at least according to changelog, probably oversight or that dungeon chest use different coding

[crude geode]

Man that disable Rod of discord sugg got a whole 27 votes lmao.

[eternal escarp]

which one?

[hollow shell]

@crystal relic She doesn't?
I thought Malice and Night Prov had the same drop code

[eternal escarp]

normally night version drops both yeah

though maybe malice has some form of oversight?

[spare prawn]

Where's that?

[eternal escarp]

maybe the way malice works, it doesnt check if the whole fight was at night..?

therefore not dropping them?

though malice prov might drop it anyhow, i did not check lol

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message

[crystal relic]

She doesn't!

only dropped the wings for me just now

[hollow shell]

Strange. I'll check the source code in a bit

[deft yew]

And apparently night provi drops the malice stuff

[hollow shell]

Oh yeah you're right

There are checks for Night OR Malice, for the dye and Warbanner of the Sun and Pristine Fury

But not for Elysian Wings/Aegis, there is only a check for Night there

You could include that info in your sugg to help support it
It's the one drop inconsistency between Malice and Night Prov

[crystal relic]

sure! i'll update it right now.

hope I did your finding justice 😅
definitely feels a little less intentional now!

[spare prawn]

wait "slanted platforms" what are those

[crude geode]

diagonal platforms p sure but idk I’m not on the meta bullshit of arena making

Byeah extremely unpopular suggestion for obvious reasons

[exotic stag]

its the thing that happens when you hammer platforms

they turn into stairs

thats literally what slanted platforms are

[spare prawn]

huh

and you fall thru them?

[crude geode]

No

[spare prawn]

also

arenas are actually like op in calamity

[exotic stag]

no their like stairs

you can fall thru them by holding down

but their usually used for hoik

[spare prawn]

doesn't that work with normal platforms tho

[hollow shell]

Yes, however normal platforms have you briefly land on them and kill your falling speed, even always when holding down

Doing it on the stairs allows you to keep your full speed all throughout

iirc

[spare prawn]

ah

[deft yew]

“Disable rod of discord during bosses”
Every nohitter in existence losing their “only” way out of T Hanos Beam:

[exotic stag]

(haha nohitting? just dodge)

[hollow shell]

🤔

Never heard of this problem with Reaper Sharks before

[ruby plover]

that's never happened to me

[spare prawn]

i've had like

at least 3 or 4

just walk out of the abyss after i aggroed them

it just happened again

is the a problem with rogue stealth or anechoic stuff/abyss mirror?

[golden narwhal]

Surely this goes in #bugs-read-pins?

[spare prawn]

maybe

i didn't know if it was a bug

[deft yew]

Also happens to me

[stiff wren]

Its definitely a bug

[hollow shell]

@viral forge #bugs-read-pins

[exotic stag]

ah yes because just throwing a block of sand into lava wont destroy it..

(even though normal sand is destroyed by normal lava in terraria)

(so yeah no more sand cheese for you haha)

[gentle chasm]

it is?

[exotic stag]

no i was making a joke

[gentle chasm]

i thought you could always drop sand into lava

oh

[exotic stag]

but yeah its fine that sand falling into lava gets destroyed

because its like throwing a torch into water while its on fire. the fire is gonna go out

[hollow shell]

Isn't Lethal Lava a config option

[gentle chasm]

it is?

[exotic stag]

uh theres something about lethal lava but no

[hollow shell]

What

[frail mantle]

you can disable lethal lava in all modes except death i think

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's what I thought

[gentle chasm]

nope sand still dies when it falls into lava

gonna see if that happens with silt too

[exotic stag]

(i mean it should stay like that. cause your just throwing sand into lava..)

[gentle chasm]

(you're ignoring my entire point here)

anyway im gonna drain entire lava pond with a single bucket

[hollow shell]

Can't you dig around it, align with the hellevator above while below the lava pool, reach hell, and then dig upward to drain it into hell?

That's what I do

[gentle chasm]

nvm frick this

[exotic stag]

i just go around it instead

[gentle chasm]

oh good idea

[exotic stag]

literally what i'll do if i see lava in my hellevator: place platforms above so it cant reach them. dig sideways and then just dig down

[gentle chasm]

also, semi related
who's idea was it to make it so that you can't extend ropes in the underworld

[gray nebula]

@lunar sky plea,

se mention the arms DO have sprite telegraphs

[lunar sky]

Oh

[gray nebula]

but that theyre insanely hard to see among the chaos

AMONG us

[lunar sky]

Yeah

[gray nebula]

AMONG US!

[lunar sky]

I’d say just make it easier to notice amongst the madness then

[gentle chasm]

[lunar sky]

…is my game bugged or something cuz I do not remember seeing that at all

[crude geode]

Possible that particle effects are being eaten up ngl

[gray nebula]

your EYES are bugged

lmfao rofl

[ruby plover]

iban are you leaking things again

[gray nebula]

its just something i drew over it lol just look closer

not even pixelated

[ruby plover]

oh my god i've been fooled

[gray nebula]

i drew this like some weeks ago cuz the problem was spotted befor

[lunar sky]

You slippery snail

[fossil bronze]

what does the existing telegraph look like?
because i don't remember noticing it even when ares is alone

[golden narwhal]

The weapon about to be used pulses very lightly iirc

Fairly sure only the laser has a sound cue

[fast viper]

the sprite changes

That's at least the case for Gauss nuke and laser cannon, the other ones I barely notice if they are there

[spare prawn]

darn artists

reshaping our reality

[gray nebula]

ignore the gun on top its for inferum

[fast viper]

oh they do got da ready to fire sprites

[fossil bronze]

tbh that seems
really subtle

[exotic stag]

just flashy

[fast viper]

Yeah there are four of those things

[fossil bronze]

like
unless i knew what to look for i wouldn't notice tbh

[fast viper]

I can only ever look out for Gauss nuke

But when there are two or three mechs out fuck that

[deft yew]

With literally anything else going on you can’t see them at ALL

[fossil bronze]

yeah

plus i play on a potato pc and uh

i can't really notice the speed increase because my framerate is all over the place

[deft yew]

Ares’s telegraphs exist to take up space in the files

Honestly an animation should never have been the telegraph

Just give it like, a draw effect that pulses around it or smth

[fossil bronze]

it could have like
an electric effect that travels from the back to the front of the gun
and the attack starts when the electricity hits the end of the barrel

(because electricity is cool)

[deft yew]

Smth like that yes

Gauss nuke could have a glaring red light that flashes before it fires

and maybe siren noises

[fossil bronze]

yeah, that would be pretty fitting

[deft yew]

Laser could have the line that shows where it will be, same as Artemis

[tribal cedar]

just dodge the nuke

[fossil bronze]

i mean, nuke isn't that hard to dodge
but not telegraphing attacks is just a pain in the ass

[cobalt pewter]

imagine subtle telegraphs with chaotic as shit fights

lol!

(declutter exo mechs)

[fossil bronze]

also the lightning strikes in the background when specific things happen are uhh

[deft yew]

^

[tribal cedar]

^^^^

[fossil bronze]

not very useful

unless you are told they're there

[deft yew]

They exist, again, to take up code

[tribal cedar]

I started seeing patterns with the lightning the first few times I fought exos, someone had a really detailed video explaining everything about the exos that referenced it though

[deft yew]

Last thing you’re gonna look for as a telegraph is the specific number of lightning bolts in the background

[fossil bronze]

if i know that a bunch of lightning striking means the nuke has exploded, that kinda helps
but if i don't know (which i wouldn't, because the game makes no effort to communicate it) it just looks like normal effects

[deft yew]

Apollo is fine because it’s strictly patterned, Thanatos is fine because it’s clearly telegraphed, and Artemis is fine for both reasons

…meanwhile Ares who telegraphs exclusively via tiny sprites and has immense pattern overlap

[grim tusk]

Ares at least now has a sound queue for laser of doom

When it didnt

[exotic stag]

(their already easy to craft so like.. why)

[worthy lintel]

no no he has a point

why aren't they infinite

[exotic stag]

because its a throwable grenade

[worthy lintel]

supernova is also a throwable grenade

[exotic stag]

yeah but supernova isnt a literal grenade

[worthy lintel]

as a matter of fact his reasoning isnt bad

wave pounder is a bomb too and its not consumable

[crude geode]

because that brand of logic matters in this mod

[hollow shell]

Some weapons just are and are not consumable

For variety's sake

[crude geode]

broke: consumable weapons are good for variety’s sake
woke: consumable weapons are good because no reforge bullshit

[worthy lintel]

yea but they're part of the draedon arsenal, its already pretty unique on its own

(still remains my personal view)

[distant gyro]

change the plasma grenade into a plasma dagger so DA has one of each subclass

[cobalt pewter]

true!

Plasma Cutter or some fucking bullshit

why bother with consumables in the first place

like just make all rogue weapons non-consumable because being a consumable weapon in Terraria is bruh

Have lightning bolts in Calamity appear instantaneously with a unique sprite

Lightning bolts are incredibly fast, about the speed of light even. Lightning bolts in Cal are pathetically slow to travel down to the target. Having them appear instantly with a unique sprite would help them feel actually like actual lightning bolts, and to make these feel a bit more unique instead of recycling vanilla resources.

While some bosses might end up using this instantaneous version of lightning bolts (like Storm Weaver), said bosses could have additional telegraphs to support this change.

idk how this goes

[languid quartz]

I do like that except I feel like that would make storm weaver very hard to dodge

since the predictive lightning orbs would just troll you and hit instantly

[cobalt pewter]

true, but it's more of the issue with the boss, which might need to be addressed separately

[hollow shell]

Title's phrasing could be better and yeah I'm not sure how I feel about that for SW

[cobalt pewter]

imo

[hollow shell]

For Death Mode that would be okay cuz there's a telegraph anyway

[sleek turret]

you could mention that for some bosses they could have telegraphs for attacks like those

otherwise

Good suggestion

[languid quartz]

^ ye

[cobalt pewter]

SW already has issues with the orbs, and while I feel SW just needs its orbs to be redone completely, I'll add a note under the suggestion

[languid quartz]

SW orbs my beloved (agony

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/518647788200787998/793035469122306068/Terraria__Judgement_Clay_2020-12-27_22-59-42_Trim.mp4

[cobalt pewter]

Have lightning bolts in Calamity appear instantaneously with a unique sprite.

Lightning bolts are incredibly fast, about the speed of light even. Lightning bolts in Cal are pathetically slow to travel down to the target. Having them appear instantly with a unique sprite would help them feel actually like actual lightning bolts, and to make these feel a bit more unique instead of recycling vanilla resources.

While some bosses might end up using this instantaneous version of lightning bolts (like Storm Weaver), said bosses could have additional telegraphs to support this change.

[hollow shell]

Okay that's fine

[cobalt pewter]

[sleek turret]

looks good

[fossil finch]

I agree

Specially because the vanilla projectiles tend to lag

[spare prawn]

because they can't get the bonuses from flawless

[rose latch]

they also don't use the charge feature

which is probably the most distinguishable part of draedon arsenal weapons

[crude geode]

Honestly that’s more a problem

[rose latch]

yeah you can't really have charge with consumables

[crude geode]

Granted summons are also really weird with charge but also like summoner is really weird lol

Might want to address the fact that they also don’t use charge (a extremely defining feature of the weapons) since they’re consumable. @spare prawn

[dull dust]

the hardcore players will be screaming at you

[spare prawn]

that too

[grim tusk]

Yea no balancing around rogue modifiers anymore (at least flawless is actually the best reforge now lol)

And the weapon is at its strongest point right out of the cosmic anvil

[crude geode]

Isn’t this some limitation or something?

[obsidian cove]

@edgy yew you need a title separated from the rest with a new line (shift enter)

Look at the other suggestions in the channel

[cunning patio]

call me old, but i think we may need 2 versions of calamity at this point; the newer version takes itself quite seriously, but i'm sure many of us miss the younger whimsical version...

[cobalt pewter]

no

cope harder

[golden narwhal]

You can get old versions from the link in #mod-downloads

Don't think at any point it'll get better than that

[cobalt pewter]

cal itself is already trying too hard to be edgy even in earlier days

just there were occasional funny here and there

[grim tusk]

DoG quotes file literally named EdgyBossText or smth

[small timber]

the only recently "edgy" addition that I think do not really fit is Scal's dialogue

for some reason I feel her dialogue is a bit too edgy for how she acts

[grim tusk]

Well Scal comments a lot on the player, she’s a sassy bitch

Also taunts you

[small timber]

always feel like for some reason she should have a more "calm" personality

though still taunting the player

[grim tusk]

Why do people always imagined scal as waifu

[cobalt pewter]

because horny kids

[grim tusk]

She always had that serious yet defiant expression

[worthy lintel]

[small timber]

not exactly "waifu" (I don't even know what a waifu personality is), it is just that her lore is basically (suffering) and she acts a bit out of character in the battle

[grim tusk]

Lore is also getting rewritten

And nah the dialogue perfectly fits her

You’re her enemy in the first fight

[cobalt pewter]

cal really needs to get rid of its old plagues to truly advance forward as a mod imo

[grim tusk]

The rematches are just friendly sparring

[obsidian cove]

The text still uses NewText to talk right

The chat system in the corner

[grim tusk]

DoG doesn’t with the contact hits

“Are you seriously so bad at dodging?”

[cobalt pewter]

dog uses popup text on head and tail damage ye

also The Codebreaker thing uses the same popup iirc

[obsidian cove]

Called CombatText internally

Anyway always felt weird that the chat system was still used

[grim tusk]

Draedon uses NewText but thats reasonable since he’s always offscreen, scal also can get offscreen so also sort of reasonable

[cobalt pewter]

combat text would be distracting on scal

apparently

[grim tusk]

On Yharon its more of a status so combat text does not make sense at all

[cobalt pewter]

and those bosses are the only instances of "talking" bosses really

other bosses do not properly talk

[grim tusk]

Cal Clone and PBG

[cobalt pewter]

I don't really consider PBG as talking, it's the same vein as Yharon

cal clone is ehh

[languid quartz]

this would be a pretty massive change to the fight

[small timber]

I understand that

[languid quartz]

I think one of the design principles of exos was that it was the inverse to scal

you could probably split these up into two suggestions tbh

[grim tusk]

Yea I dont see that passing

[small timber]

I just post it because I want to know how many of it is not passable first

[grim tusk]

Also @ashen warren bot is dead

[small timber]

the two point is connected because gauss nuke is a massive headache on why a massive arena is needed in the first place, which by its rework will allow the fight to be fought in a limited spacing

[cobalt pewter]

just make gauss nuke

not dumbass

winning

[grim tusk]

Yea but you’re forgetting, Thanathos’s size

[small timber]

because without the second part of setting an arena, by nerfing (or reworking) gauss nuke, the current strategy of falling the entire world will be even more viable

ok I forget to mention the size of arena do I, horizontal is around 1k-1.5k block wide in my head, and horizontal space is relative to almost 70% of surface to space, so it is enough space to dodge thanatos

because surprisingly you notice you can weave between his attack a lot more when you try to fight it in a smaller space

[frozen hornet]

1.5k blocks is quite big

[small timber]

I generally will easily move 2k block when fighting DoG, and really Thanatos is the only one which set a hard requirement of horizontal (unless Calamity decide to make Thanatos shorter than DoG)

[frozen hornet]

how wide is a large world again?

[small timber]

16k?

from leftmost to rightmost

[viral forge]

isnt xl 32k

[frozen hornet]

much bigger than I thought

XL isn't large

smh

[languid quartz]

@viral forge you could broaden your suggestion to something like add alternative ways to get exodium clusters or similar

[small timber]

I will just check it, I remember Cell Phone displaying 8k east and west

[grim tusk]

@viral forge you know you can craft exodium right?

[crude geode]

also mixing content mods cringe

[frozen hornet]

Thanatos is a little too much of a long noodle so turning around when all 4 are present is a nightmare

[grim tusk]

Anyways just dont delete the planetoids pre-ML lmao

[viral forge]

im more thinking of the luminite part due to the fact farming ML is dum

[frozen hornet]

the planetoids didn't spawn for me

Which was weird

[viral forge]

same 2 worlds its done that to me

[frozen hornet]

Is it known what caused it?

[grim tusk]

Its simple: Kill ML again but far faster with its drops or the weapons you were able to craft with your current resources

About 3 kills is all you need

[small timber]

in my large world it is 8316 west and 8316 east, so around 16.6k blocks wide

I know blocks size is not really the same as coordinate, but for consistency I refer to the one display by Cell Phone

[frozen hornet]

Yes but I still wanted to see them myself

[small timber]

@cunning patio simply download older version of the mod, Calamity will not bother maintaining older version of the mod

[grim tusk]

@cunning patio

And cope hard

[cunning patio]

question is, are they still around?

[obsidian cove]

Wdym by still around

[small timber]

oh right the download link is loss because haha corporate problem

[crude geode]

who knows, but either way it's not calamity's job to actively keep around old outdated, shitty versions of the mod just for boomers

[golden narwhal]

They're in the link in #mod-downloads

[small timber]

either way the chance of calamity releasing an older version of the mod is even more slim than my suggestion (which is unlikely to say the least)

[cunning patio]

do the older versions still exist? that's what i'm bringing up here...

[obsidian cove]

Of course they exist

In #mod-downloads

[small timber]

it is loss, because fabsol's account for hosting older download link is blocked

[grim tusk]

GL finding em

[viral forge]

not really

bc mega sucs

[cunning patio]

suddenly my suggestion feels much more significant...

[grim tusk]

There us up to 1.2.3 on github

[obsidian cove]

The GitHub says it goes back to 1.2.2.5

[crude geode]

not really.

[hollow shell]

@hollow idol Are your older Calamity .tmods still playable by the everyman?

[grim tusk]

However thats not one of the issues

Cuz you need to get an old tmod ver as well

[small timber]

the problem is it is NOT happening

[cunning patio]

how u so sure?

[viral forge]

hi

[crude geode]

[small timber]

why will devs just "revert to old calamity version" for no reason when the new one is available?

[hollow shell]

Yeah we get a lot of people asking for the ability to play with old stuff

[crude geode]

Bringing back old content is a don't, and it's a lot of work to try and actively support old versions

[small timber]

the only one closer to your idea is to ask devs to reupload the older version of calamity in mod-download, if they keep them around

[cunning patio]

not revert, just re release.

[hollow idol]

anything starting from 1.1.7.901 can be launched on current tml

(midish 2017)

[grim tusk]

Well thats not needed

Just use #mod-downloads

Old Cal versions are there

[hollow shell]

Can you provide this fellow JohnnyComeLately with some old tmods to sate him

[grim tusk]

#mod-downloads

[viral forge]

or we dont touch the old calam

[hollow idol]

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1A1z7u5_Jic4OHu09ofrKuVGKZgtGpB4V

[viral forge]

sus

oh shite Yuh just went here

[hollow shell]

@cunning patio Your wish granted

[viral forge]

YUH DELETE IT NOW XD

[crude geode]

~~a rare yellow name in #suggestions-discussion ~~
YuH moment

[grim tusk]

Also just out of curiosity, which was the last version with the future bosses

[viral forge]

which is more rare orange name or yellow name in #suggestions-discussion

[hollow idol]

1.3.4.102 I think

[grim tusk]

May or may not go for empyreal in nohit server, alr thanks

[hollow idol]

if that doesnt work then 101 (when they were added, lasted two versions)

[grim tusk]

Hmm alright

Just maybe i’ll do it if i have the time

[cunning patio]

do what?

[grim tusk]

.

[cunning patio]

o

[hollow idol]

one thing I did kinda want to do was make a port of the very first version of Calamity (only works on terraria 1.3.1) but doubt I'd be able to release it

[cunning patio]

this: this is the type of thing i mean.

[crude geode]

Ok, still really invalid suggestion. Byeah thanks for the wackiness YuH.

[cunning patio]

odd; it hasen't been rejeced.

[small timber]

it is rejected (the ! )

[cunning patio]

nvrmnd, just looked; what happened?

[small timber]

but you got what you need

[hollow shell]

Yeah I exclam'd it cuz, YuH just sent a link giving you access to exactly what you want

[small timber]

also is my suggestion a complete don't? I know I am scrapping the line of don't but I will take my chances if the fight can be improved

and I acknowledge how unlikely it is to get accepted

[hollow shell]

I was a bit weirded out by the double-suggestion

Seemingly asking for two separate things

But I don't know if it's invalid because the reasoning overlaps quite a bit

[small timber]

both are connected, gauss nuke limits how it can be dodge therefore a massive arena is needed; if gauss nuke is reworked setting an arena become possible

[worthy lintel]

problem is how would you make an arena for exo mechs that wouldnt just be scal arena but massively obese

for 90% of players taking out the flying islands and planetoids gives all the needed space

[small timber]

one of them I notice is The Star Above Warrior of Light's arena, which do not require solid block

that's the point, for 90% of the player taking out flying islands and planetoids WILL give the needed space, but the optimized strategy is somehow falling to the underworld

in fact I done my own Dmode Exo Mechs without clearing any planetoids and flying islands and even without NR, it is doable, the problem is how the fight becomes much easier by doing more than that

[crude geode]

I blame Tesla cannon for that ngl

Is right next to the player and fires half screen wide hit boxes

[small timber]

ya tesla cannon is also a problem, but it is at the very least manipulatable, since it is always predictive

[tribal cedar]

Gravity normalizer potion works wonders

[small timber]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1253540728 I streamed it because I didn't want to burn my hard disk but turns out it didn't take that long at long, Death Mode Exo Mechs with the arena I described (NOT BLOCK, Cell phone coordinate display: 1500 horizontal x 600 vertical, even with the current version of gauss nuke. Beat it on the 2nd try of the stream.

I know I used a very tanky set up but tanks is an valid option in the mod. The small arena also make using candles possible. The only problem I encounter is the 3 mechs phase with Ares because it become way too chaotic for me to see projectile (and care about border at the sametime)

[molten nova]

along with the other early HM rebalances/shuffling, do you guys think spider armor should be moved post 1/2 mechs?

[small timber]

spider armor is actually relatively weak for a hardmode armor

[crude geode]

Only if it’s along with titan armor ngl

[small timber]

and also for the fact that to my knowledge summoner do not have ore armor, so they kinda need it

[crude geode]

Byeah fact is they lack ore armor so kinda seems rude to force them into a pre-hm armor set

[molten nova]

wait, the ore armors dont have a summon helmet?

ah, in that case it seems fair

[torn crown]

Not yet

[small timber]

ya, also don't have rogue until post 2 mechs (adamantite/titatnium tier)

[torn crown]

It'll be there in the next minor updates

[crude geode]

Speaking of options, can Wulfrum spawns be like. insanely buffed if you don’t have an armor set on.

[ashen warren]

dont wulfrums spawn more at the edges or smth

[crude geode]

Yes but also

Edges of the world early game

[ashen warren]

just make them spawn that much everywhere until eoc is killed tbh

[crude geode]

Like it just feels odd considering only two classes might use it (melee and summoner) because every other class has something tailored to them

[small timber]

I think just make wulfrum drop more materials, currently they are either not spawning (early game) or spawn too much (zerging at ocean)

[molten nova]

maybe a % chance for non pylons to drop cores? i usually end up with a bunch of fragments but no cores

err, energy cells?

energy core! i was half right twice

[small timber]

I think the point of it only drop from pylon is to make it not trivial to obtain, considering pylon (and charged wulfrum enemy) is very strong early game

but ya they definitely drop too little wulfrum scrap for how little they spawn early game

[torn crown]

Pylons now summon other wulfrum enemies once you activate its energy shield

[crude geode]

Yeah

Which is nice

Spawn rate should just be able to be adjusted imo

[ashen warren]

fixed

[spare prawn]

Can they just like

Make wulfrum enemies not a thing in late hm

[exotic stag]

infinite droids

[spare prawn]

Me wondering how tf some shitty phm enemy made it into the astral infection

[exotic stag]

because it doesnt have terrarian dna :D

[spare prawn]

I mean

Astrum deus was one of dreadons robots that got converted

[exotic stag]

you mean aureus

[spare prawn]

Yes

[exotic stag]

(also yeah cause aureus had corruptable technology probably. we dont know if wulfrum enemies are literally just shells powered by animals or not)

[silver silo]

(isnt that malice sugg in voting planned anyway)

[ashen warren]

hol up that could be cool tbf

hardmode astral wulfrum enemies

[deft yew]

Maybe if a wulfrum touches astral for too long it gets converted, and instead of metal scraps it drops monolith

[exotic stag]

if its in the astral for too long. make it corrode

and turn its little blue eye red

[cobalt pewter]

its pylon variant will inflict Astral Infection within its energizing radius

[tawny garden]

#suggestions-voting message

[spare prawn]

then stop runnign away

[kindred relic]

[cobalt pewter]

balancing adren is already complicated as it is

[crude geode]

indeed

[fossil finch]

Do we really need to

[stiff wren]

Ok how about instead we make adrenaline not useless

[fossil finch]

Whatever buffs they are they would still translate to meter full, activate it

Bro

You're the useless one

Not adrenaline

Iirc

,

[stiff wren]

Among us

[clear flint]

Fair enough
But it's not just "add more damage"
It's adding new mechanics to a old system

[fossil finch]

yeah but adding anything else would accomplish the same

You're not really adding layers to it

Just buff bloat (if this could be even considered a thing)

[kindred relic]

I dont see why you would benefit true melee with rage if its already the main source of stacking it whilst using true melee

excluding shattered community

and every other rage gaining acc

[fossil finch]

True Melee needs to stay close and rage needs you to stay close therefore lol

Also x3 is

A lot

Too much, even

[clear flint]

It was just some examples
Not actual changes
You can come up with the buffs

[kindred relic]

yes

[clear flint]

I understand how complicated my suggestion is
Just wanted to throw around an idea on how to make rage/adrenaline more refreshing

Plus like I said
"True melee deals 3x damage when using rage" was just an example

Not an actual change I want to see

[hollow shell]

Am I crazy or have I seen a sugg like this recently

[kindred relic]

there was

[hollow shell]

Was it posted and deleted or perhaps sent here for review first, or something?

[kindred relic]

and it had an exclamation mark

[fossil finch]

No you're not going crazy rover

Someone did sugg something similar recently

[clear flint]

You kinda did
Tho it was for malice instead of baseline rev
I just waited until I can do it for baseline rev

Sorry for suggesting basically the same idea
Just really thought this was a good idea

[clear flint]

That was me

Tho it was for malice instead of rev

[hollow shell]

Suggestion is, okay

Reason could be stronger

Seems like you're equating age with being bad

[clear flint]

Yea
The reason could be stronger

[earnest raptor]

We need an AI that posts suggestions.

[exotic stag]

AI that makes suggestions based on the ones that make it into voting. based on a 30d sugg limit

(any suggs within 30d. then it makes a sugg. and repeat)

[clear flint]

That would defeat the purpose of suggestions in the first place

[earnest raptor]

Exactly

The proof than hivemind of #suggestion-discussion can be replaced by a robot

[exotic stag]

anyway yall like my sugg ai idea

make a sugg bot ai that tallies up previous 30d of suggestions. makes a suggestion based on that data. and repeat

[clear flint]

You should try #suggestions-posting
Instead of here

[exotic stag]

no

its a joke

because obviously they wouldnt make a bot to post random suggs

that'd be stoopid

[clear flint]

Right

[clear flint]

What do you mean by that?

Sorry for @ing you

[exotic stag]

basically old thing = bad

[hollow shell]

Talkin about your reason being that Adrenaline hasn't changed much since implementation, and that the new class stuff would be "refreshing"

[exotic stag]

(sometimes its good to have old things. because that old thing attracts more people too)

[hollow shell]

You could use some reasons why the class specific buffs would benefit the mechanic, regardless of time

[clear flint]

Sorry if it came out like that

[hollow shell]

"While offering new ways to play each class" is a good start in that direction

[earnest raptor]

Is Rage a diet adrenaline?

aka actually balanced

[exotic stag]

well

rage is facetankers dream. adrenaline is noshitters dream

[clear flint]

Yea
And one of my examples
"Stealth charges faster when adrenaline is full" is a good example

[earnest raptor]

I remember than tru memee weapons recharged rage faster

[exotic stag]

your not really stealthy if the entire enemy team can hear your heartbeat..

[fossil finch]

Also that'd incentivice staying with adrenaline instead of using it

Thing we may not want for reasons

[cobalt pewter]

the reason why timed aggresion exists

[clear flint]

Maybe instead of just "change the system"
We can integrate it as armor set bonuses

[exotic stag]

like?

[cobalt pewter]

not really, they only seem like so because of nostalgia

and in tmod's case, if you're that hung up on older versions, just get them or bring the features back yourself

[clear flint]

Like how the molten set's rage bonus is bonus fire damage to all melee attacks

[cobalt pewter]

almost everything old that got revamped in cal is, for the most part, better after

at worst it's a matter of opinions whether it's good

[fossil finch]

which is as useful as using a water pistol in the sun

[exotic stag]

(mm myes shooting the sun with a water pistol)

[clear flint]

Just an example

[exotic stag]

why not stick to your point about class-specific

rather then like. armors and shit

[clear flint]

Yea

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-stone-ocean-enrico-pucci-pucci-whitesnake-gif-24005356

anyways

[clear flint]

Since my og idea was actually drcent

[cobalt pewter]

I'd rather have them address adren as a mechanic first before giving it a quirky and zany stuff

While I don't think Rage itself should be getting quirky and zany, accessories or armor sets could interact with Rage in its current state

[exotic stag]

frenzy

[clear flint]

We'll just have to wait on the decision on if it gets to voting or not

[exotic stag]

personally i think rage can get a second buff added to it. i.e what i just said above (being frenzy.) about like attack speed rather then y'know

"more damag"

y'get it? like a rage fueled frenzy

[clear flint]

If it does get a decent amount of votes
Then, they are the ones to figure out how to fit it

And if it gets a !
Then we don't have to worry about it

[exotic stag]

i was thinking like give range some of those y'know. "anger" emotions

like going into a frenzy or so on

[clear flint]

Let's just stick to the original idea of "class specific buffs/abilities" rather than think too hard on it and make the devs have to ! It since we (i) couldn't make up our (my) mind

[cobalt pewter]

damage is the stat that universally applies to anything that can deal dmg

summon weapons do not benefit from crit chance or atkspd buffs

while i typically prefer more curated options for the scope of a class at minimum

[exotic stag]

well how was my options.

[cobalt pewter]

rippers are something that do not consider classes

[clear flint]

Exactly
That was kinda what I'm looking for
New options on top of the bonus damage