#suggestions-discussion | Calamity Mod Discord | Page 1200

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 8:52 AM

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ya I also don't know very much, only from what I recall, maybe it is not post-DoG but post-Yharon or something

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but I know something is planned, thats about it

crude geode Dec 30, 2021, 8:52 AM

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It’s planned to no longer have shit moon events

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That’s the major plan

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Next update is mainly gonna focus on pre-hm + hardmode rebalancing iirc, and also touching up biomes (brimstone crags majorly) since a lot of them are real shit in comparison to something like the abyss

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 8:53 AM

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if we go back to your suggestion: I understand what you are saying, boss summons should have more impact behind it rather than "oh let me go into my chest and hey I can craft it", but increasing the cost is not the ideal way to do that

gentle fog Dec 30, 2021, 8:53 AM

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legit took me this long to remember what y'all meant by "moons" lol

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 8:54 AM

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if unique summons are planned, I think they are already better alternative

gentle fog Dec 30, 2021, 8:54 AM

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small timber if we go back to your suggestion: I understand what you are saying, boss summons...

that's a very good way of stating it yes

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I think I'll retract my suggestion now since it seems a better alternative is already in the works

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 8:55 AM

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ya, we simply wait to see what the devs do, then we suggest what is essential or good for the mod

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if they think the current summons is too cheap, they might even increase it without suggesting, we simply just see what they do

crude geode Dec 30, 2021, 8:56 AM

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I think cryogen is being worked on for a more unique summon, and I personally think seafood should just be thrown in the sea to summon aquatic scourge

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(not my sugg, I just remember someone suggesting it a while back)

gentle fog Dec 30, 2021, 8:59 AM

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I will say one good thing about the current system that would be a shame to lose is the iconic roar sound when using a summon lol

frozen hornet Dec 30, 2021, 10:50 AM

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Unique boss roars when

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Oh nice the more auric rogue weapons sugg got a flag

jagged spade Dec 30, 2021, 10:51 AM

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frozen hornet Unique boss roars when

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slime god unique roar

frozen hornet Dec 30, 2021, 10:51 AM

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TRUE

distant gyro Dec 30, 2021, 10:53 AM

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frozen hornet Oh nice the more auric rogue weapons sugg got a flag

it gets a flag before it was even posted

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one of the 004 additions is an auric rogue HDfailure

frozen hornet Dec 30, 2021, 10:55 AM

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Ah lol

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Gonna wait for 004 then before finishing my pt

cobalt pewter Dec 30, 2021, 10:56 AM

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frozen hornet Oh nice the more auric rogue weapons sugg got a flag

yooooooooo

frozen hornet Dec 30, 2021, 10:56 AM

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Though how long do you think it'll take for 004 to release

cobalt pewter Dec 30, 2021, 10:56 AM

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frozen hornet Though how long do you think it'll take for 004 to release

yes

ripe owl Dec 30, 2021, 12:13 PM

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It takes years for new global updates

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While it takes hours/days/weeks for hotfixes or slight updates like those .00X

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And months for 1.N.X

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With N being the global updates number and X being the less global update

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I hope you get what I am saying

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 12:20 PM

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Not a single 1.x update has taken years lol

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Not in calamity

frozen hornet Dec 30, 2021, 12:24 PM

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Even 1.5 was only about a year

frail mantle Dec 30, 2021, 12:32 PM

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1.5 was exactly a year after 1.4.5.7

ripe owl Dec 30, 2021, 12:58 PM

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fossil finch Not a single 1.x update has taken years lol

That was a joke and a comparison

ripe owl Dec 30, 2021, 12:58 PM

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frail mantle 1.5 was exactly a year after 1.4.5.7

Oh lmao

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So I was right

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~~kinda~~

frail mantle Dec 30, 2021, 1:05 PM

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1.5 is the exception, not the standard

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major updates generally won't take a full year to release

dusty path Dec 30, 2021, 1:22 PM

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@viral forge You can already do that

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@plain vale#0777 The borders are for more challenge

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Frick, wrong Prism

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Oh, ok

frail mantle Dec 30, 2021, 1:26 PM

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questionmark

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abyss chests are post skeletron

dusty path Dec 30, 2021, 1:27 PM

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Exactly

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But, as I said, I hate to go to the Abyss

ripe owl Dec 30, 2021, 1:27 PM

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Loot from them*

dusty path Dec 30, 2021, 1:27 PM

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Ok, I changed the mistake

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 1:37 PM

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Sounds like an skill issue ngl

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This doesn't even have reasoning anyways

fossil bronze Dec 30, 2021, 1:38 PM

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calamity players when skill issue

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 1:38 PM

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Lol

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Statigel gear does

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And i don't agree because reaver shark exists anyway

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yeah

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Also rogue gets gel darts taxevasion

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Also discouraging trying to skip progression all the time (good

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 1:41 PM

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fossil finch Also rogue gets gel darts <:taxevasion:611637175381000193>

Pre skeletron no

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 1:41 PM

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fossil finch And i don't agree because reaver shark exists anyway

oh right

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 1:41 PM

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(Calamity shouldn't have this hyper focus on making you able to skip everything all the time, it's not really good

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 1:42 PM

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Well reaver shark invalidates this entire suggestion so

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 1:45 PM

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At mods can we get some ❗ going this 2 last suggs lack reasoning

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 1:46 PM

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lmao what

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 1:46 PM

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what is the last suggestion on about?

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abyss shadow chest is literally POST-SKELETRON

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 1:47 PM

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Some dude raging they can't fish all abyss content post skelly

silver silo Dec 30, 2021, 1:47 PM

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guys dont bully lemon he didnt know DoGCri

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 1:47 PM

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so his reasoning is "I don't want to go to abyss so let's take a much longer way to get what I need"?

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 1:47 PM

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He was told and proceeded to not change their sugg in content at all

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 1:48 PM

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the first layer don't take any breath he can literally dive in without any gear

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 1:48 PM

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In any case the sugg still has no reasoning

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 1:49 PM

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small timber the first layer don't take any breath he can literally dive in without any gear

the chests are in the second layer though

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 1:50 PM

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some of the chest are in first layer if I remember correctly

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so if you have some luck you can get your weapon in first layer

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 1:50 PM

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By technicality no, as the first layer has absolutely nothing

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 1:51 PM

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I mean I see your point though, a gills potion basically allows you to stay forever in layer 2

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 1:51 PM

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No, no rng

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It's literally just how it's worldgenned lol

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First layer doesn't have anything

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Like fourth

silver silo Dec 30, 2021, 1:52 PM

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fossil finch Like fourth

I am going to point out terminus because I am the obligatory contrarian

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 1:53 PM

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doesn't the 4th have some random voidstone structures, lumenyl on walls, and terminus though?

silver silo Dec 30, 2021, 1:53 PM

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too slow bucko

fossil bronze Dec 30, 2021, 1:53 PM

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4th layer is comlpetely empty

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except for the shrine at the bottom

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 1:53 PM

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what about exo furniture would that be good

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 1:54 PM

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Lumenyl is literally just like hallow crystals they grow on voidstone

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Those don't count

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Exo furniture (implemented

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 1:54 PM

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oh

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 1:54 PM

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oh ya it is 2nd layer of abyss, I always thought the first layer is when the abyss start (therefore where the chest are)

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 1:54 PM

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guess I didn't read change logs carefully

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 1:54 PM

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I just always have gills so I just notice I never loss breath

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 1:55 PM

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small timber oh ya it is 2nd layer of abyss, I always thought the first layer is when the aby...

Well the first layer is where it starts, it's just a tunnel of water at that point though

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 1:55 PM

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fossil finch Exo furniture (implemented

calamitous furniture

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 1:55 PM

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then for some reason there is breath loss in first layer

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but I think that is 2nd layer, the first layer is between sulphur sea and where the actual abyss start (the blank space)

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 1:56 PM

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Yeah it's where the abyss gravel starts spawning

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the water already changes at that point

dusty path Dec 30, 2021, 2:06 PM

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small timber abyss shadow chest is literally POST-SKELETRON

Crate

cobalt pewter Dec 30, 2021, 2:07 PM

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good

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:07 PM

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does anyone think a visual indicator for holy inferno seems good

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an indicator for the radius I mean

cobalt pewter Dec 30, 2021, 2:07 PM

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crates overall have been nerfed to not be the prime solution to everything

dusty path Dec 30, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Oh

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Frick it

silver silo Dec 30, 2021, 2:08 PM

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crates as decoration > crates for items

dusty path Dec 30, 2021, 2:09 PM

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silver silo crates as decoration > crates for items

Invalid argument

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 2:09 PM

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you literally can just use a gill potion and you don't need anything else to access the chest

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 2:09 PM

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Me when i can't just skip all of the game farming by killing ds two times and fishing

silver silo Dec 30, 2021, 2:09 PM

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dusty path Invalid argument

wrong

cobalt pewter Dec 30, 2021, 2:09 PM

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like how the yield for Reaper Tooth is lower from Abyssal Crates and it's only available after both polter and od died

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 2:09 PM

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(Good

cobalt pewter Dec 30, 2021, 2:10 PM

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it's still an option, but crates are getting nerfed to account for avoiding the actual difficulty of getting things from the actual source

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 2:11 PM

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Honestly quite incredible

stable musk Dec 30, 2021, 2:11 PM

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ok

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 2:11 PM

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Also just realized by that sugg, they were told, but didn't delete

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This happens quite commonly, which is bad

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Is my new suggestion good

cobalt pewter Dec 30, 2021, 2:20 PM

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it's a common sugg, but I still think there needs to be some sort of a distance indicator ye

frozen hornet Dec 30, 2021, 2:21 PM

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holy inferno ring in real

cobalt pewter Dec 30, 2021, 2:21 PM

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I was thinking of something a bit more subtle, perhaps fires that fade in near the player then start closing in when the player is further from providence

silver silo Dec 30, 2021, 2:21 PM

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put fire around the edges of the screen

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 2:21 PM

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~~maybe fab won’t add it because he doesn’t like fargo’s~~

cobalt pewter Dec 30, 2021, 2:22 PM

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the fires won't actually deal damage, but the moment they collide the player would be extremely close to the edge

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:23 PM

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cobalt pewter I was thinking of something a bit more subtle, perhaps fires that fade in near t...

Maybe the player starts emitting smoke

cobalt pewter Dec 30, 2021, 2:23 PM

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but yea

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:24 PM

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How many people have posted this before?

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You said it was a common suggestion

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but how common

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oh

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 2:24 PM

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I think a visual indication that will be good is just make use the old darkness effect, but instead of just blinding the player, make everywhere else outside of the range black instead

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:25 PM

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deft yew ~~maybe fab won’t add it because he doesn’t like fargo’s~~

Isn't it the other way around

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 2:25 PM

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tamershrug

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:26 PM

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I'm pretty sure Fargo's dev hates calamity

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isn't that why the mutant enrages

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how

half sage Dec 30, 2021, 2:29 PM

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I thought he enrages because funni 1.4 cal power curve would annihilate him otherwise

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 2:31 PM

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make it cooler than fartgo

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gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 2:31 PM

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vocal ivy isn't that why the mutant enrages

also rofl

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funniest interpretation of the mutant enrage ive heard

cobalt pewter Dec 30, 2021, 2:32 PM

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gray nebula

actually a good concept iirc

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(make it)

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Good concept

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:37 PM

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gray nebula

What about this, they start smoking as they get farther away

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 2:38 PM

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I mean yeah but that's

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pretty unclear

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:38 PM

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yeah I guess

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Maybe both

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:38 PM

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gray nebula

Do you mean like a constant ring or just one that lights up when you get close

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 2:39 PM

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well as shown in the image

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the ring only shows around the player

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 2:39 PM

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what if all of the space outside of the border just completely darken?

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like providence is the only illuminating being in a dark space

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:39 PM

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small timber what if all of the space outside of the border just completely darken?

That would look really bad

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 2:39 PM

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that'd look kinda ugly

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 2:39 PM

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I would like that at night though

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:39 PM

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Yeah

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Maybe she would light the area around her like it's day

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*day

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 2:40 PM

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~~make night provi a don’t starve reference~~

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HDfailure

small timber Dec 30, 2021, 2:40 PM

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like extremely bright instead?

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:40 PM

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Make night provi into HDfailure

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:41 PM

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gray nebula

do you mind if I add your concept art to my suggestion?

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 2:42 PM

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vocal ivy Make night provi into <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>

Nah, make regular provi HDfailure and night provi HyperFailure

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 2:42 PM

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I mean, im. a dev.

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and the art was already posted in dev weeks ago

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:42 PM

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oh wait

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 2:42 PM

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fail

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:42 PM

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🔫

silver silo Dec 30, 2021, 2:43 PM

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gotem

vocal ivy Dec 30, 2021, 2:43 PM

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Didn't realize what orange name was

silver silo Dec 30, 2021, 2:43 PM

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iban is actually a fruit yes

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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u found out the trick

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just suggest something already planned and you get dev insight

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insane

silver silo Dec 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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hey are blighted eyes, calamity eyes and blighted lens going to stay as they are or are there plans to change them like calclone 1 day

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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god I want to delete them so bad

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.

worn salmon Dec 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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gray nebula

should make giant text covering the whole screen that says "you are fire!!"

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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useless boring enemies awesome

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and then change clone's summon method to involve the labs or something

silver silo Dec 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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funny demon eyes

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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Literally do not get me started on the amount of Calamity enemies that could be removed

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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heat spirit and soul slurper s have cool new designs for the crag redo

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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silver silo funny demon eyes

Also nerf soul slurper bruh

silver silo Dec 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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PogFrank

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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draehmm

worn salmon Dec 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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does calamity eye even exist

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ive never seen one

silver silo Dec 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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outside of blood moons expect to see like 1 per playthrough

ashen warren Dec 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Yes u have

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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worn salmon does calamity eye even exist

Yep, they’re in the crag and they drive me nuts

worn salmon Dec 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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wacky

ashen warren Dec 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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They shoot lasers i think

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 2:53 PM

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Soul slurpers drive me more nuts

worn salmon Dec 30, 2021, 2:53 PM

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thats the soul slurpers iirc

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 2:53 PM

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ashen warren They shoot lasers i think

That’s soul slurper, and they shoot brim darts now

ashen warren Dec 30, 2021, 2:53 PM

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Fuck

silver silo Dec 30, 2021, 2:56 PM

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very cool enemies that add a lot to the game

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cobalt pewter Dec 30, 2021, 3:08 PM

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Overloaded Soldier and Phantom Debris only exist for

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low%

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lo

hollow shell Dec 30, 2021, 5:23 PM

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gray nebula

😎

untold pagoda Dec 30, 2021, 5:24 PM

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flushedd

hollow shell Dec 30, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Yours would look cooler Iban but might be hard to execute, dunno

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 5:25 PM

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insert png of providences lower wing as the ring lmao

frozen hornet Dec 30, 2021, 5:34 PM

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Rover leaking wtf....

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 5:35 PM

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Could you not repeat the fact that it can shred things in seconds 3 times on your sugg

hollow shell Dec 30, 2021, 5:41 PM

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@wind zinc Does it still do that level of DPS when you are close to it? Or is the distance causing it?

wind zinc Dec 30, 2021, 5:42 PM

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hollow shell <@678303664275980314> Does it still do that level of DPS when you are close to i...

it does that level of dps when you are close to it too

hollow shell Dec 30, 2021, 5:43 PM

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Okay

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I was confused by the phrase "you have to stay far away from it"

wind zinc Dec 30, 2021, 5:45 PM

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Oh it was just for the crabulon cheese

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since its attacks cant kill you when you are far away

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wait i cant recreate it for some reason

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my friend said it has to be in crabulon like in point black range

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my friend didnt use adrenaline or rage too

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 5:55 PM

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Nerfing polyp launcher would make it garbage against every other boss because they’re so fast

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Just give Badulon resistance to it

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ultimatesmug

wind zinc Dec 30, 2021, 5:56 PM

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oh that would be better

wind zinc Dec 30, 2021, 6:15 PM

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my suggestion couldd be wrong

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Badulon kinda just dies to everything

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I killed it with true melee in 18.5 seconds omegamarmu

torn crown Dec 30, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Is that with a minmax build or

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Richter

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 6:19 PM

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iirc no

torn crown Dec 30, 2021, 6:19 PM

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what

deft yew Dec 30, 2021, 6:19 PM

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Light’s bane, rotted fork, and feller

torn crown Dec 30, 2021, 6:19 PM

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damn

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 6:21 PM

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i mean i destroyed crabulon with fucking diamond staff of all things

hollow shell Dec 30, 2021, 7:05 PM

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🤔

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 7:09 PM

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"lore wise" my favorite reason

stable musk Dec 30, 2021, 7:16 PM

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Completely unnecessary thing. But if you know it, it may help you find mushroom biome

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(if you somehow didn't found it yet)

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 7:23 PM

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the joke is that the sunken sea rew[my lawyers advised me to not disclose any more info]

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 7:25 PM

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lawyers huh? just tell them that the law doesnt abide to 2d pixels

crude geode Dec 30, 2021, 7:25 PM

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After the tax evasion I think Iban had to hire lawyers so they wouldn’t get in more trouble

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 7:26 PM

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h.

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 7:48 PM

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i think you should improve the way the suggestion is worded.. NOW!

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⛈️

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Like if u take it from the pov of the dev thats gonna look at the suggestion you gotta avoid making it sound like a complaint too hard or else itll be harder for them to agree

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so like the part where aureus malice is bullshit can go (although since Malice Moment im sure its bullshit)

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And also like, just saying "rework it" isnt exactly the best either cuz like

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you just sound like youre complaining if you don't provide directions or ideas in terms of how to improve it

grim tusk Dec 30, 2021, 7:50 PM

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Problem is if im specific this gets flagged

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 7:50 PM

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just "make it more complex " isnt rly gonna make for uh

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a convincing sugg

grim tusk Dec 30, 2021, 7:51 PM

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More convincing, gotcha

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 7:51 PM

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idk if its too specific i prefer specific ideas or directions in terms of where to improve it instead of just "uhrur just make it complex

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i mean ofc im not saying ur suggestion is wrong cuz iirc yeah aureus is kindof a basic bitch

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 7:51 PM

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why not suggest like a few examples of changes that could improve the enjoyment

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 7:51 PM

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im just giving advice so that it can get a better reception

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 7:52 PM

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yes i am too

grim tusk Dec 30, 2021, 7:55 PM

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These I cant add on the sugg but for a minion it could just be some form of enemy that forces you to be closer to Aureus (the bombers work more as seeking missiles than minions)

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And for projectiles probably mines or a gas

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Why does aureus not remind me of a scouting drone heavily armed for any danger the astral could posses

grim tusk Dec 30, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Lack of weaponary

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Aureus only has like 4 attacks

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 7:57 PM

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Then

fossil bronze Dec 30, 2021, 7:57 PM

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aureus has the leap, lasers and aureus spawn iirc

grim tusk Dec 30, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Leap, lasers, the barrage and spawns

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Spawns should get another sprite ngl

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Me omw to learn spriting simply and plainly to resprite them with epic new design that makes sense

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 7:58 PM

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you'll probably jand them lmfao

fossil bronze Dec 30, 2021, 7:58 PM

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they should be like
drones or something

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not oval monster thing

fossil finch Dec 30, 2021, 7:59 PM

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gray nebula you'll probably jand them lmfao

yea

fossil bronze Dec 30, 2021, 8:00 PM

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gray nebula you'll probably jand them lmfao

only 0.01% will get this joke (real)

gray nebula Dec 30, 2021, 8:02 PM

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retardation

stable musk Dec 30, 2021, 8:05 PM

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waitaminute

heady lichen Dec 30, 2021, 8:18 PM

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completely agree with the aureus suggestion

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my most boring nohit on d-d mode by far

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I deadass used cosmic bolter

crude geode Dec 30, 2021, 8:23 PM

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mfw a boss doesn’t have 16 attacks, 4 phases, and 3 sprite changes to go along with it SAD

lusty iris Dec 30, 2021, 8:36 PM

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bosses don't have to be crazy 50 phase fights but I also shouldn't be able to avoid 80% of its attacks by just running in a straight line either

crude geode Dec 30, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Yes, but that should moreso be addressed

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Lack of attacks =/= bad boss

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Duke Fishron has like 3 fucking attacks and is still one of the best bosses in vanilla

grim tusk Dec 30, 2021, 8:39 PM

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lusty iris bosses don't have to be crazy 50 phase fights but I also shouldn't be able to av...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512925739486674954/911864753771675728/vlc-record-2021-11-21-00h24m14s-2021-11-21_00-22-48.mp4-.mp4 even malice aureus is boring
And when it drops to 30% its complete bullshit

▶ Play video

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(Thats post-ML aureus but you get the idea)

crude geode Dec 30, 2021, 8:39 PM

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On the opposite end of the spectrum, more attacks =/= a good boss

fossil bronze Dec 30, 2021, 8:41 PM

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aureus doesn't necessarily need more attacks, he needs better attacks imo

crude geode Dec 30, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Yeah improve his attacks but adding more just feels unnecessary

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Also like reworking the entire fight just sounds like a lot of effort

fierce iris Dec 30, 2021, 9:56 PM

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i'm thinking of suggesting to add a sound que to point blank shots, it would make it more clear to the player that they're doing them while also ~~providing a dopamine hit~~ improving gamefeel

keen zealot Dec 30, 2021, 9:57 PM

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yeah

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not too annoying though, just make it a tiny bit louder than the average hit sound, and maybe give the damage numbers a different colour too, not too different so maybe like, red instead of orange?

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might be too much

fierce iris Dec 30, 2021, 10:00 PM

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yeah the specific choice of sound is important, it has to be overt enough to be noticeable while also being understated enough to sound nice when played repeatedly for rapid fire weapons or even stacked on itself by shotguns

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 10:03 PM

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red wouldnt work cause like. it'd make the player think they got hit so uh

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yeah

keen zealot Dec 30, 2021, 10:03 PM

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ah true true

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and green is healing numbers

fierce iris Dec 30, 2021, 10:03 PM

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yellow?

keen zealot Dec 30, 2021, 10:04 PM

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yellow is the normal damage colour

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I suppose you could make it a brighter yellow?

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 10:04 PM

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orange is crit

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nah i was thinking like blue

keen zealot Dec 30, 2021, 10:04 PM

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blue is mana star number

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 10:04 PM

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oh true

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white?

dawn adder Dec 30, 2021, 10:04 PM

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purple? there's no purple yet right

keen zealot Dec 30, 2021, 10:04 PM

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nope

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not anymore, at least

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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is there one for white?

keen zealot Dec 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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don't think there's anything for white either

fierce iris Dec 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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yeah white might be ideal

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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why not mix white and purple

keen zealot Dec 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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lavender

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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i didnt mean that

fierce iris Dec 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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man i'm too used to the colored damage numbers mod that colors them based on damage class

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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i meant like a fade sort of thing

keen zealot Dec 30, 2021, 10:06 PM

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that's harder than just picking one colour

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 10:06 PM

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like how reforges are just make em swap between purple and white

keen zealot Dec 30, 2021, 10:06 PM

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fierce iris man i'm too used to the colored damage numbers mod that colors them based on dam...

I would be if it worked for me

fierce iris Dec 30, 2021, 10:09 PM

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exotic stag like how reforges are just make em swap between purple and white

actually the damage number flickering like an item tooltip text might work

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 10:10 PM

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(dont call it "Gamefeel" just call it something else cause gamefeel doesnt really work too well in that last sentence)

fierce iris Dec 30, 2021, 10:11 PM

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exotic stag (dont call it "Gamefeel" just call it something else cause gamefeel doesnt reall...

gamefeel is just game dev jargon for dopamine hits

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 10:11 PM

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then just call it "imbursement" or whatever the word for it was

dawn adder Dec 30, 2021, 10:11 PM

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immersion?

exotic stag Dec 30, 2021, 10:12 PM

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yeah that

fierce iris Dec 30, 2021, 10:12 PM

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immersion is something different

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gamefeel refers specifically to the feeling from using a game mechanic, when it's done right even basic things like moving and shooting can feel incredibly satisfying

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think like any shotgun from an ID game(aside from the one in DOOM 3) or the movement mechanics in a Mario game and how they feel nice to use to the point where players mess around with them for their own sake

languid quartz Dec 31, 2021, 12:55 AM

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Ooh that’s a great suggestion

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Would make the mechanic feel more developed

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 2:49 AM

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draft incoming

exotic stag Dec 31, 2021, 2:51 AM

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big draft

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 3:14 AM

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ok so it's about the phase timer but

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i can't figure out how to say this

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it just doesn't fit in rev with the way rev is

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it fits a lot more in malice

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Make the boss phase timer a Malice exclusive (or just remove it)

The boss phase timer makes bosses enter their next phase early if the fight has lasted too long. For the most part, I like this feature, but its presence in Revengeance feels a bit unnecessary. On bosses with a lot of phases, it can make one extra-annoying phase last an unnecessarily long time, for which the average player couldn't last. If you can't deal damage fast enough, you are often forced into an attack you weren't expecting, e.g. Duke Fishron's final phase in Death mode. Both of these are quite noticeable on Yharon.
The phase timer makes more sense in Malice with the way Malice is designed overall, but Revengeance shouldn't quite have a mechanic this punishing.

exotic stag Dec 31, 2021, 3:22 AM

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i agree

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 3:22 AM

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true melee gets screwed over unbelievably hard by the phase timer

exotic stag Dec 31, 2021, 3:22 AM

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(also bosses with a lot of phases?)

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 3:22 AM

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although in a few cases such as the twins, it helps

exotic stag Dec 31, 2021, 3:22 AM

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(dont you mean with less phases?)

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 3:22 AM

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changed it

grim tusk Dec 31, 2021, 4:10 AM

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deft yew **Make the boss phase timer a Malice exclusive (or just remove it)** The boss p...

I’d say on death mode it feels perfectly fine

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Nice step up on difficulty

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On rev tho I’m neutral

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At least we have some of the stuff on the wiki

crude geode Dec 31, 2021, 4:11 AM

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Draedon logs exist yknow

grim tusk Dec 31, 2021, 4:11 AM

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And the lore for bosses and elementals

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But for the rest tho

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GSS would be big fat sandshark

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(Actually more like an ancient apex predator who was awakened/reanimated by Plantera’s death and the souls released by it)

crude geode Dec 31, 2021, 4:16 AM

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it’s a dedicated npc

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HDfailure

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Bruh just use a bug net

ashen warren Dec 31, 2021, 4:17 AM

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just pin it in a corner

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think you can get mandible claws from antlions, pin it against a wall, brrr

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free mone

crude geode Dec 31, 2021, 4:18 AM

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You literally can cook it

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if you catch it

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Ah nvm

grand flint Dec 31, 2021, 4:33 AM

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anyone else having some problems with multiplayer exomechs?

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That boss is barely functional, but honestly i dont know how fixing it would even start

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true true

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yeah, i guess i would like more content and game breaking bug fixes over better multiplayer

spare prawn Dec 31, 2021, 4:36 AM

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@viral forge you can move the bars by going in the mod settings and turning "lock bars" off

viral forge Dec 31, 2021, 4:37 AM

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i figured it out

crude geode Dec 31, 2021, 4:37 AM

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They’ve already been pinged about it.

spare prawn Dec 31, 2021, 4:37 AM

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the ol' "minor understanding difference" ping suplex

sonic pumice Dec 31, 2021, 6:12 AM

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Hi, I beated Calamity mod for the 1st time in Revengeance mode as a Rogue and I gotta say I loved the mod, my only 2 suggestions could be 1. Making providence's projectiles either bigger or easier to see on the hallow in day & 2. Making the Exo Mecs fight a little shorter JESUS CHRIST, I had to use Fargo's Mutant mod cause my buffs were running off of time (and only for that fight), still great update I loved it and wish the best to the Calamity mod's Team.

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:14 AM

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exo mechs on average is (supposed to) be around 4-6 minutes

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so only basic potions (like vanilla regen) should be running out

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for providence ya it can be a bit rough

sonic pumice Dec 31, 2021, 6:17 AM

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small timber exo mechs on average is (supposed to) be around 4-6 minutes

Idk if one if them had to be attacked with an specific weapon in a certain place but I swear it felt like a decade in between phase and phase

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:17 AM

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weapon matters alot, I assumed your fight is long because of thanatos, personally I will recommend switch to weapon with piercing specifically for thanatos

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otherwise save adrenaline/rage to burst thanatos in his solo phase since below 70% he is vulnerable for a lot more time

sonic pumice Dec 31, 2021, 6:20 AM

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small timber weapon matters alot, I assumed your fight is long because of thanatos, personall...

Probably I think I used Yharon's rogue weapon and another one that I don't remember, but yeah he felt so tanky compared to the rest and I think that's why I died a lot in the last phase

sonic pumice Dec 31, 2021, 6:21 AM

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sonic pumice Probably I think I used Yharon's rogue weapon and another one that I don't remem...

That and also the fact that I didn't knew you had to to the largest arena in existence for this bosses at first XD

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:21 AM

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ya from personal experience yharon rogue weapon have a super large gap in performance

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I don't feel like wraithwing have good dps, while final dawn is completely overpowered againts exo mechs with stealth strike

sonic pumice Dec 31, 2021, 6:23 AM

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small timber I don't feel like wraithwing have good dps, while final dawn is completely overp...

Yeah I noticed it but I suck at using it, cause between stealths and yeeting the final dawn

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I kept getting hit

crude geode Dec 31, 2021, 6:23 AM

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Thanatos just feels extremely luck based with how it’s segments work ngl

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:24 AM

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simply practice more, final dawn is more about patient than being "good at it", just try to use it at the right timing instead of using it off cooldown for dps

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stealth strike do reward you for being patient than spammy (in dps)

sonic pumice Dec 31, 2021, 6:25 AM

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sonic pumice Hi, I beated Calamity mod for the 1st time in Revengeance mode as a Rogue and I ...

Also another suggestion, 2 of the armor rogue helmets are bugged on mannequins if you see the picture

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:25 AM

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mannequins are a tmodloader bug, not much calamity can do

sonic pumice Dec 31, 2021, 6:25 AM

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small timber mannequins are a tmodloader bug, not much calamity can do

Ah ok

crude geode Dec 31, 2021, 6:25 AM

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I thought it was item racks

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:25 AM

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mannequins too, long time problem

crude geode Dec 31, 2021, 6:25 AM

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Fair

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Unless there’s something I’m not getting from the wiki it just is like wait for segments to be open on Thanatos which leads to piercing being used more than anything interesting since it’s extremely difficult to actively tell when the segments open in the complete hectic nature of the fight.

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:26 AM

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ya that is the flaw of thanatos, and below 70% the opening don't matter since he is always attacking

sonic pumice Dec 31, 2021, 6:27 AM

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sonic pumice Hi, I beated Calamity mod for the 1st time in Revengeance mode as a Rogue and I ...

Still I stand that Providence projectiles should have a better color palettes (Like DoG's or Calamitas' projectiles)

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:27 AM

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ya that one definitely, I agree too

sonic pumice Dec 31, 2021, 6:27 AM

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It feels like they're so small and blend so much with the background

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:28 AM

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exo mechs can be arguable (since worse case you can equip The Amalgam), but ya providence is objectively hard to see

spare prawn Dec 31, 2021, 7:17 AM

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bro just use the omnicience potion

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 9:45 AM

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the upgrades of Pwnagehammer are pathetically basic compared to Pwnagehammer

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probably why they felt worse imo

lucid marsh Dec 31, 2021, 10:16 AM

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Thoughts on my suggestion?

ruby plover Dec 31, 2021, 10:16 AM

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very good... never ever ever considered making honey dew unless i was making ampoule

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very underwhelming

lucid marsh Dec 31, 2021, 10:21 AM

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The honey dew isn't even combined into the ampule now

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And the ampule can't be upgraded anymore

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So it really just sucks

ruby plover Dec 31, 2021, 10:22 AM

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oh wow

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thats sad

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 10:22 AM

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this is why big acc crafting trees with miniscule effect items shouldn't exist

lucid marsh Dec 31, 2021, 10:24 AM

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I agree partially, but it's fun to have some

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Maybe just that one should be added to the ambrosial ampule.

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 10:30 AM

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I will much more prefer buffing instead of making is have upgrade, it is removed from abrosial ampoule for a reason

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preferably it also offer resistance againts other jungle enemy to make it a jungle arena building/exploration accessory

frozen hornet Dec 31, 2021, 10:38 AM

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lucid marsh So it really just sucks

it really helps against PBG

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but not much else

lucid marsh Dec 31, 2021, 10:51 AM

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Oh I forgot about PBG

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I was looking at it compared to the Ambrosial ampule for Plantera

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And the ambrosial ampule is just better

half sage Dec 31, 2021, 10:52 AM

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yea

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 10:52 AM

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ya donor item

frail mantle Dec 31, 2021, 10:52 AM

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indeed

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 10:52 AM

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if only donor say yes

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 12:07 PM

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that title is weird

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like

ripe owl Dec 31, 2021, 12:09 PM

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What

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It makes the point by itself

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 12:11 PM

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"Omniscience", not "Omnisense"
The sentence's structure is weird, I was thinking of something along the lines of "Have Astral Mines be properly highlighted by Omniscience buff."

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Not sure if it's an official rule but it gets the point across more directly

ripe owl Dec 31, 2021, 12:12 PM

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cobalt pewter - "Omniscience", not "Omnisense" - The sentence's structure is weird, I was thin...

First one is my bad and stupidity

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Second one is

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Eh

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Like I said, it might be a bug because they were highlighted in 1.4.5.007

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So I ain't saying to add it but to add OR fix it

dapper coral Dec 31, 2021, 12:15 PM

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suggestion titles should generally be a "do this" type of statement, yeah

ripe owl Dec 31, 2021, 12:16 PM

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boohoo

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Everyone's against me and free will

tranquil folio Dec 31, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Someone should Start a Speedrunning Discord

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to speedrun calamity normal mode

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discuss strategies etc.

eternal escarp Dec 31, 2021, 3:03 PM

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pretty sure that

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exists

tranquil folio Dec 31, 2021, 3:15 PM

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wait

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where'slink

frail mantle Dec 31, 2021, 3:16 PM

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it does

lone geyser Dec 31, 2021, 3:45 PM

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thank god

exotic stag Dec 31, 2021, 4:22 PM

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tranquil folio Someone should Start a Speedrunning Discord

yeah that exists i know from a while back when i made the MoR speedrunning discord lmao

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 4:24 PM

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i've let this sit for a little too long

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so ima bring it back up in case it still needs editing

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Make the boss phase timer a Death/Malice exclusive (or just remove it)

The boss phase timer makes bosses enter their next phase early if the fight has lasted too long. For the most part, I like this feature, but its presence in Revengeance feels a bit unnecessary. On bosses with a lot of phases, it can make one extra-annoying phase last an unnecessarily long time, for which the average player couldn't last. If you can't deal damage fast enough, you are often forced into an attack you weren't expecting, e.g. Duke Fishron's final phase in Death mode. Both of these are quite noticeable on Yharon.
The phase timer makes more sense in Death or Malice with the way these modes are designed overall, but Revengeance shouldn't quite have a mechanic this punishing.

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 4:27 PM

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I can see Death Mode also using it, otherwise nothing much to say

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since Malice partially use Death Mode Ai (and Death Mode condition)

exotic stag Dec 31, 2021, 4:27 PM

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yeah he was already tol;d that

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 4:28 PM

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fixed that

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 5:21 PM

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phase timer just feels like a bit much

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if your DPS is at all lacking it makes the fight harder for no reason

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now that i think about it, it must make a tank build's life that much harder

distant gyro Dec 31, 2021, 5:22 PM

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the aggression timer's purpose is to prevent adrenaline stalling

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which surprises me that the boss is the one getting the effect

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and not the adrenaline itself

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 5:22 PM

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perhaps Adren should significantly slow down if you're not damaging enemies?

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 5:23 PM

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that makes sense

distant gyro Dec 31, 2021, 5:23 PM

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it should just pause if you're deliberately stalling

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 5:23 PM

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make adren start decaying if you don't use it

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like rage

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 5:25 PM

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byeah, this seems like more of adren problem

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 5:25 PM

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what if you have both though

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Adren used to decay

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 5:26 PM

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~~also what even IS adren stalling~~

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:26 PM

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Purposely keeping the boss at the last bit of health in an easier to dodge phase so you can adren shred the following

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 5:26 PM

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fossil finch Purposely keeping the boss at the last bit of health in an easier to dodge phase...

ah

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 5:26 PM

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~~have adren be activated briefly after it's full, no more stalling~~

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 5:27 PM

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so uh

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malice clone brothers?

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HDfailure

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 5:27 PM

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~~get fucked~~

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 5:36 PM

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k why did the polyp launcher one get through

gray nebula Dec 31, 2021, 5:39 PM

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funny intrusive balance mechanic that affects casual players way more than it affects the targeted players

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 5:40 PM

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preach

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 5:50 PM

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I still wonder is there any plan to nerf adrenaline? adrenaline had been a massive balancing nightmare and they always try to get around it by nerfing/adjusting all weapons instead

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by nerf I mean only by the damage, it can give other benefit to compensate, but the damage boost of 200% (245%) is way too high

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 5:52 PM

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no*hitter

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:52 PM

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... they don't use adrenaline while balancing though

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There's not really nothing to use to state that they do get around nerfing it by nerfing the weapons themselves

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:53 PM

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deft yew k why did the polyp launcher one get through

Why did the abyss chest one get through

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Mods aren't doing their jobs smh my my head

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 5:54 PM

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so that's why adrenaline just destroy everything in sight? because the balancing is without adrenaline?

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Yeah?
Thats the point anyway

eternal escarp Dec 31, 2021, 5:54 PM

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afaik yeah adren is usually not balanced with

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 5:54 PM

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nohitters are bad

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Usually more like never.,.,

sleek wadi Dec 31, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Adrenaline is meant to be a big burst of power as a reward for not getting hit for 30 seconds

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Nohitters are cring

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 5:54 PM

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(please remove every single nohitters in existence)

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:54 PM

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True

sleek wadi Dec 31, 2021, 5:54 PM

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If that ends up being enough to run over a boss, so be it

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 5:55 PM

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if that statement is true, then we just say screw nohitters

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nerf the damage boost by half, you get the 65% damage reduction throughout the 5 sec of adrenaline

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:55 PM

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Thats stupid

worthy lintel Dec 31, 2021, 5:55 PM

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do i smell someone getting hit 🥶

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 5:55 PM

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non-nohitters can use it and it don't immediately obliterate half of the bosses in game

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:55 PM

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No but really that's stupid

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You're not getting hit in those 5 seconds

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 5:56 PM

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small timber nerf the damage boost by half, you get the 65% damage reduction throughout the 5...

actually i think it could give the DR throughout adren but it decays back to your normal amount

worthy lintel Dec 31, 2021, 5:56 PM

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also yea adre needs some tuning but atleast its more balanced right now

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instead of being completely unusable until plant

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 5:56 PM

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the thing is now you CAN get hit in those 5 second without dying

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 5:56 PM

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adren just needs something to address the stalling directly

sleek wadi Dec 31, 2021, 5:56 PM

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I do think adrenaline plays some part in balancing though, but not necessarily from the weapon side. You can't just ignore a 5 second 3x or so damage multiplier when designing these things

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 5:56 PM

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instesd of giving bosses an arbitrary mechanic to control adren

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 5:56 PM

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adren is the reason rev cranks boss health up so much

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change my mind

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:56 PM

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small timber the thing is now you CAN get hit in those 5 second without dying

You could to begin with?

worthy lintel Dec 31, 2021, 5:57 PM

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a while ago i thought of maybe causing adrenaline to decay if you store it for too long but i don't know how well it would turn

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:57 PM

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If you have been nohitting the past 30 seconda you're not at low life

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Therefore you don't need that 65% dr to survive

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 5:57 PM

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instead of just a straight up 5 second of massive dps boost, it is a strong dps boost along with a 5 second free dps timer

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:57 PM

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And even then chances are you're not getting hit in those 5 seconds

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 5:57 PM

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this also makes some of the closer range weapon more viable

sleek wadi Dec 31, 2021, 5:57 PM

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Adrenaline decay was a thing a while back, back when adrenaline wasn't lost at full bar if you took damage

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:57 PM

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How is it a free dps timer lol

sleek wadi Dec 31, 2021, 5:58 PM

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If you held it for too long it became flaccid damage

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:58 PM

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Having 65% dr extra doesn't give you free dps moment automatically

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 5:58 PM

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worthy lintel a while ago i thought of maybe causing adrenaline to decay if you store it for t...

it would be a decent solution imo, or at least the decay can start to happen if you do not attack at all for a good time

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 5:58 PM

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the thing is you have 5 second to dish out dps without the worry of just drop dead

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 5:58 PM

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idk i never stalled adren

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 5:58 PM

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because you are significantly more tanky than usual

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like I said, only no-hitters can use the argument of "I didnt get hit for 30 seconds my as well for 5 more"

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:59 PM

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If you've been nohitting the past 30 seconds chances are you are dishing out dps without worries anyways because you're dodging well though

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Casual players (me) can too

sleek wadi Dec 31, 2021, 5:59 PM

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Yeah adrenaline is not hard to get in rev at least. DoG gives you 4 of em for free

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 5:59 PM

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I had adrenaline decay countless times back when it did decay

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 5:59 PM

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when you pump out so much dps all of a sudden you most likely phase bosses so most often they become more dangerous afterwards

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now with that change you dont have to worry about bosses suddenly ram into you with different pattern

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 6:00 PM

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5 seconds aren't enough to mitigate that though?

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:00 PM

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the thing is not whether 5 second is enough to mitigate that, the thing is you are without worry in those 5 seconds

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 6:00 PM

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Depends on boss and phase and transition but most of the time it will not be

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:00 PM

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you are confident that no matter what you are unlikely to die, that is the point of it

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 6:00 PM

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The thing is you do anyway

cobalt pewter Dec 31, 2021, 6:01 PM

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i think adren is a prime example of "rich get richer": you get a lot of rewards from something that already is rewarding to accomplish (nohit)

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you can remove adren and boom, world hunger solved

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 6:01 PM

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Even if you make the dr ignore all the calamity dr math bullshiittery

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World hunger isn't really solved

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If by tomorrow all millonaries are dead and no more people can become millonaries world hunger won't be solved
People just won't get a chance at something

sleek wadi Dec 31, 2021, 6:02 PM

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Changing adrenaline to have a small damage boost and massive math-bypassing DR change would actually encourage holding it more

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 6:03 PM

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Removing adren doesn't benefit the casual player at all

sleek wadi Dec 31, 2021, 6:03 PM

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If adrenaline is mostly for survival, then I'd hold onto it until near the end of the fight to ensure I don't choke

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:03 PM

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nah rdr is already getting removed (outside of malice), and that will literally just be similar to current version (massive dps boost)

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 6:03 PM

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No?

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:03 PM

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just that on some bosses it is more effective, thats about it

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 6:04 PM

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They mean that people would hold it to use it on "important moments" because the damage boost isn't important anymore

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:05 PM

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small timber nerf the damage boost by half, you get the 65% damage reduction throughout the 5...

the first intention of the idea is to nerf adrenaline because my argument is that it gives way too much damage currently

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damage reduction is just a type of compensation I think of, my initial point is actually not to balance it for the boss phase timer or anything

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 6:06 PM

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Also with rdr gone it wouldn't be similar to the current version exist, as rdr wasn't as strong until 1.5 and in 1.4.5 you still didn't just oneshot bosses or smt

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:06 PM

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rdr exist before 1.5 no? and the timer was even stricter

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 6:07 PM

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I don't really think it gives too much damage

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No it wasn't

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Rdr got much more strict on 1.5

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That's why everyone complained about it suddenly

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:07 PM

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oh sorry, only for some bosses like yharon, didnt fact check other bosses

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 6:07 PM

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Pre 1.5 the effect was barely noticeable unless you cranked the config up

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:08 PM

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because yharon's rdr timer got significantly reduced because of the phase 2 changes

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 6:08 PM

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reduced?

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 6:08 PM

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To the point it could be argued to be removed because it didn't do anything anyway

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 6:08 PM

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bruh i feel it so much worse than any other boss

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 6:13 PM

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Anyways my point before was that 5 seconds of a bunch of dr isn't really the right way of rebalancing adren after nerfing it and i don't even see why the big damage is a problem

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Yes, it is a lot, but is it actually an issue on practice?

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:14 PM

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a good adrenaline drop almost all pre-plantera bosses by 50% of their hp

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except those with invicibility of some sort

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or the alternative is to make adrenaline damage much more dependent on upgrades, that works too, 200% from the get go is way too high

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 6:15 PM

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that makes sense

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and just get it up to the original 200 (not 245) with upgrades

safe oasis Dec 31, 2021, 6:16 PM

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small timber or the alternative is to make adrenaline damage much more dependent on upgrades,...

what does that solve though

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:16 PM

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so that adrenaline don't instantly obliterate almost all pre-plantera boss, which is currently the case

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from my playthrough everytime I get adrenaline the boss is just dead (most pre-plantera ones)

safe oasis Dec 31, 2021, 6:17 PM

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idk about you but i've never had that happen

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:17 PM

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after plantera it is not as much of a issue, but still significant, just from 50% to like 30% hp burst because bosses have more dr

safe oasis Dec 31, 2021, 6:18 PM

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a good chunk gets erased yeah but it's not obliteration unless you're using an already busted weapon anyway (in which case the weapon is the problem not the adrenaline)

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 6:18 PM

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~~clearly vanilla is the heart of every problem calamity has ever run into~~

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:18 PM

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then I will just ask a question: is the pre-mech ranger choice of weapon a daedalus stormbow or a cobalt repeater?

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I don't intend to use all busted weapon in the game, but when an objectively better weapon is there (unless it was bugged/oversight like eye of night previously), I don't see any reason to not use it in a playthrough

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and 'I am not talking about platinum coin gun (or star cannon even because collecting that amount of star is unrealistic pre-hm without support mods) or anything like that

distant gyro Dec 31, 2021, 6:20 PM

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adrenaline used to be 150 but it was buffed because it "wasn't rewarding enough"

deft yew Dec 31, 2021, 6:20 PM

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or star cannon

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star cannon is just a weird balance issue in general lol

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:21 PM

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isnt adrenaline also used to be 60 seconds when it was 150%? not remember how the exact number changed

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or like 300%

distant gyro Dec 31, 2021, 6:22 PM

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150, 45-20

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upgrades used to reduce charge time

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:23 PM

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I think time is the main concern, since no-hitting for 45 second is much harder than 20second, so I can see why it was "not rewarding"

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even if early game bosses are easier to dodge

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but now it is flat 30 second, and the adrenaline damage difference between a starting character and a post-scal end game character is 45% (200 to 245)

distant gyro Dec 31, 2021, 6:25 PM

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20 seconds 150% was better than 30 seconds 245% for many though

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:26 PM

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I mean, you get it after the post-polterghast upgrade I assume

distant gyro Dec 31, 2021, 6:27 PM

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both of the numbers are post-polter

small timber Dec 31, 2021, 6:27 PM

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ya, it is a bit late in the progression, only bosses left (many people don't count old duke as part of progression) dog, yharon then scal

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and on scal adrenaline takes longer to fill up

spare prawn Dec 31, 2021, 6:51 PM

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İ mean

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The whole point of adren is to give you something for managing to dodge a boss for like 30 seconds

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İ think it dealing big damage is fine

fierce iris Dec 31, 2021, 6:57 PM

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hot take Adrenaline is supposed to shred, it's a skip button for demonstrating mastery over a boss

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if you can not get hit for 30 seconds then it's clear you know how to fight the boss well enough to win anyway

spare prawn Dec 31, 2021, 6:59 PM

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^

half sage Dec 31, 2021, 7:00 PM

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shouldn't this be an ❗ because demonshade is getting new helmets in a future update, one being rogue/ranger

frail mantle Dec 31, 2021, 7:01 PM

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Yes

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Also iirc allclass sets generally don’t give stealth because that’s specifically a rogue thing

half sage Dec 31, 2021, 7:03 PM

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yea

exotic stag Dec 31, 2021, 7:32 PM

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(usually allclass sets have like other rogue sets on tier. so yeah no and also that demonshade helmet thing)

safe oasis Dec 31, 2021, 8:03 PM

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is there a specific reason we don’t just use threads instead of this channel

eternal escarp Dec 31, 2021, 8:03 PM

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easier to log normal channels i assume

safe oasis Dec 31, 2021, 8:05 PM

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that’s fair but feels way easier to make a thread instead of pinging them in a completely different channel only for the discussion to have a chance of being convoluted if another sugg was posted mid discussion

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hard for the original author to follow the convo

crude geode Dec 31, 2021, 8:06 PM

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That’s on whoever brings up a recent suggestion

safe oasis Dec 31, 2021, 8:06 PM

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how so

eternal escarp Dec 31, 2021, 8:08 PM

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personally i think its very easy for the suggestors to just
A) see a ping
B) reach their inbox / ctrl-f for an @

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and for discussers here to

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A) go to the suggestions timeframe to see if they are just repeating something that was already mentioned and discussed

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okay thats all i have

crude geode Dec 31, 2021, 8:10 PM

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safe oasis how so

If there’s a conversation actively going on, it’s pretty easy to just…wait to comment on the later suggestion until the discussion dies down. There’s a 24 hour window to comment on a suggestion you don’t have to immediately discuss a suggestion.

safe oasis Dec 31, 2021, 8:21 PM

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why not make that task asynchronous though

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it’s hard to bring up old suggs as well, as you’d have to find where that discussion left off and also maybe ping the author again

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rather than have it conveniently in order

eternal escarp Dec 31, 2021, 8:27 PM

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i mean, agian, if you look at the average amount of suggestions usually in posting, thatd basically mean like

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5~ more channeks to moderatoe

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thats bots are a pain to get in afaik so stuff like the auto delete bot might be unable to work in threadd

worthy lintel Dec 31, 2021, 8:54 PM

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@ashen warren your suggestion is immensely specific, also megashark already has a line upgrade

half sage Dec 31, 2021, 8:54 PM

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so does onyx blaster

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ech

thick raptor Dec 31, 2021, 8:54 PM

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@ashen warren Do you mean Megalodon, the upgrade to the mega shark that uses depth cells, lumenyl, and tenebrous?

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The gun you are describing is basically in the game already

violet dagger Dec 31, 2021, 8:55 PM

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also specific item suggestion ech

earnest raptor Dec 31, 2021, 9:45 PM

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can't adrenaline just

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like

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generated from both not taking damage and dealing damage

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so if you stall

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you don't get adrenaline because you don't attack

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~~this can be abused by using statue mobs but you can guess than this is the sight of insanity~~

sleek wadi Dec 31, 2021, 9:52 PM

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That would dick over true melee, who has to stall because they can't not stall

ruby plover Dec 31, 2021, 10:00 PM

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hey @hollow shell the star crafting recipe suggestion that got through to voting is already in .004

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changelog 10

silver silo Dec 31, 2021, 10:01 PM

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🤔

hollow shell Dec 31, 2021, 10:01 PM

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Oh yep there it is, #10

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Sugg prolly shouldn't've gotten through considering it was in changelogs at the time of being posted

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I'll just, delete it
@burnt beacon your sugg was already completed

burnt beacon Dec 31, 2021, 10:03 PM

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was it? nice, sorry i didnt notice that

hollow shell Dec 31, 2021, 10:04 PM

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I didn't notice it either

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HDfailure

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 11:48 PM

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uh

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No?

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The point is that you don't damage them at all why would they do this

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Why would you even ram them during the transition anyways

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There is no point in doing that

unborn siren Dec 31, 2021, 11:49 PM

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yharon dashes at you during his transition to p2

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 11:49 PM

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Yes he does

unborn siren Dec 31, 2021, 11:49 PM

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while fully invincible

fossil finch Dec 31, 2021, 11:49 PM

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There is another 90 viable movement options to evade that dash

exotic stag Dec 31, 2021, 11:51 PM

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like teleportation

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also

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coldheart..

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why would you be cheesing bosses?

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"prevent cheap hits" just so you can use your own?

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ah yes. get rid of enemy cheapness. so i can use my own

hollow shell Dec 31, 2021, 11:52 PM

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Okay I see he did mention Coldheart

unborn siren Dec 31, 2021, 11:53 PM

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but to use that you would have to be touching the boss

exotic stag Dec 31, 2021, 11:53 PM

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yeah but the other debuffs dont?

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like just

unborn siren Dec 31, 2021, 11:53 PM

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which is generally not a good idea, especially for bosses like duke and Yharon

exotic stag Dec 31, 2021, 11:53 PM

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for other debuffs you can just sit afar and go "ha ha. me shoot you in invincibility"

hollow shell Dec 31, 2021, 11:55 PM

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Okay the most important aspect is being able to dash through the attacks and get your i-frames, even if you don't deal damage to the boss

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and someone made a sugg about that 3 days ago

exotic stag Dec 31, 2021, 11:55 PM

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see thats what should be done

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rather then just make boss have lots of DR

crude geode Dec 31, 2021, 11:56 PM

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also does dr prevent 1 damage hits

unborn siren Dec 31, 2021, 11:57 PM

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yeah, now if it would do 0 after the calculation it just does 0

exotic stag Dec 31, 2021, 11:58 PM

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no

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it still does 1

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and debuffs

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 12:01 AM

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It will do 0

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Byeah, debuffs

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(And memeheart

cobalt pewter Jan 1, 2022, 12:18 AM

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just a repost

cobalt pewter Jan 1, 2022, 12:44 AM

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@lone geyser Nycro's nohit efficiency mod already solves that issue

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you can get that mod instead

lone geyser Jan 1, 2022, 12:45 AM

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could also make it more convenient by just implementing it into the mod, hence the suggestion

cobalt pewter Jan 1, 2022, 12:45 AM

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

lone geyser Jan 1, 2022, 12:45 AM

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didnt know about the mod tho, thanks

cobalt pewter Jan 1, 2022, 12:46 AM

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wegud

obsidian cove Jan 1, 2022, 2:14 AM

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Im not sure where to say this, but calamity doesn't seem to have its ores registered in the TileID.Sets.Ore array, making compatibility difficult

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 2:18 AM

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Understandable, maybe #bugs-read-pins (if you haven’t tried it already)

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They tend to be a bit more up to speed on the technical side of terraria

obsidian cove Jan 1, 2022, 2:18 AM

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k I'll report it there

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actually does Astral Ore drop more then one by default?

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 2:25 AM

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When you break the tile? I'm not aware of any tiles that do that, off the top of my head

obsidian cove Jan 1, 2022, 2:26 AM

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alright, then it seems just that one is flagged properly

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 2:26 AM

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🤔

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Are you using some modded item that duplicates ore drops when mined?

obsidian cove Jan 1, 2022, 2:27 AM

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Im trying to make one

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 2:27 AM

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I see

obsidian cove Jan 1, 2022, 2:27 AM

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and it seems checking (TileID.Sets.Ore[type]) is only true for the type of vanilla ores and astral ore

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 2:28 AM

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Yep, I can see it in the source, Astral Ore is the only file with a mention of TileID.Sets.Ore

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I suppose it'd be responsible for us to do that to the other ore tiles

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I'll mention it in dev

obsidian cove Jan 1, 2022, 2:30 AM

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thanks, TileID.Sets is a lost art it seems

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:12 AM

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"its not like the weapon is an upgrade of a previous weapon"

small timber Jan 1, 2022, 4:13 AM

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ya if you follow this logic a LOT of weapon will have to be reworked

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:13 AM

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(i think pk's point is more that like)

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(its not a creative upgrade)

small timber Jan 1, 2022, 4:13 AM

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the entire megashark line will need to get dumped

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:13 AM

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well the megashark line is just "hur dur more projectiles faster"

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feelsmeok

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:13 AM

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then the entire inferno fork line too

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:13 AM

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i think its a respectable sugg

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:13 AM

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Inferno Fork line does innovate

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and by innovate I mean the explosions get larger and change color

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Shadowbolt is I think exactly the same but with a damage mechanic?

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:14 AM

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yeah its

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literally exactly the same

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:14 AM

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(And yeah we do have plans for Megalodon)

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:14 AM

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the beam it fires is practically the same

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:14 AM

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(also fun fact out of the trio of venusian shadowbolt and phantasmal. shadowbowl is the only one without a gif of it being used)

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:15 AM

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exotic stag "its not like the weapon is an upgrade of a previous weapon"

that doesnt excuse it to literally be the same thing with an added trivial damage bonus bro

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sadcat

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:15 AM

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wait did i spell it shadowbowl

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:15 AM

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(Why would we have a gif for something that is already demonstrated on the vanilla wiki)

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:15 AM

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TRUE

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gigachad

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:15 AM

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(Eh true but vanilla wiki HDfailure )

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:15 AM

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can you tell me which one is which

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feelsmeok

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:15 AM

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i cant

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trololed

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game design

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:16 AM

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i can. shadowbolt is the second one (if you look at the one on the 2nd go around where it connects to the ash)

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or thats just

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:16 AM

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wym second one

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:16 AM

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mouse angling

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:16 AM

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Just rework it yourself ibanplay
taxevasion

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:16 AM

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i just changed the angle lmfao

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:16 AM

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There are four demonstrations

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:16 AM

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i kept alternating between them

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:16 AM

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yeah i meant this but mouse angling HDfailure

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:16 AM

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no he just angled them

#

oddsadcat

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:17 AM

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It goes Beam - Bolt - Bolt - Beam I think
Cuz the fire rate on Bolt is slightly faster

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:17 AM

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i fired the same shots from both staves and then alternated

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also no it was

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beam bolt beam bolt

#

great demonstration of how impossible it is to actually notice the difference

#

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:18 AM

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Yeah Bolt is faster

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and

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:18 AM

#

it really is just

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:18 AM

#

that's it

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:18 AM

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faster

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:18 AM

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fossil finch Just rework it yourself ibanplay <:taxevasion:611637175381000193>

also i cant oomfie im too busy cramming 5 weapons into one

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😭

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:18 AM

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based

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retardation

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:18 AM

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Iban is indeed busy making the coolest weapon I have ever seen

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(coolest in Calamity that is)

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(actually nvm Dom's exhumed weapons are epic)

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:18 AM

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(is it just a stick that shoots out a bunch of projectiles but 2.0)

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:18 AM

#

big brain idea of reducing weapon bloat by combining shit

#

wow rover toxic

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:19 AM

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exotic stag (is it just a stick that shoots out a bunch of projectiles but 2.0)

Exactly what we're killing rn 😎

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:19 AM

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nooo

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:19 AM

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projectile fans QUAKING in their boots

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:19 AM

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Ibanplay makes epic weapons and you are blind

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:19 AM

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hollow shell Exactly what we're killing rn 😎

rip all of ranger melee and mage then

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:19 AM

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gray nebula also i cant oomfie im too busy cramming 5 weapons into one

The implications of this,

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art attack???? (Real (real (ever so slight small as hell relation that can clearly be coincidental

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:20 AM

#

exotic stag rip all of ranger melee and mage then

Sensing a negative sentiment but trust me it's a fuckin massive improvement what we're doin to this wep

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:20 AM

#

ombgus

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art attack was already coded im not even done w my thing so no

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also imagine adding a new weapon

#

😨

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:20 AM

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True

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:20 AM

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Patrons.

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:20 AM

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when theres a nigh endless supply of poopy weapons that could be better

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:20 AM

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true

#

nooo

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:20 AM

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Yea

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:21 AM

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ie shadowflame hex doll line

#

(REALLY BAD)

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:21 AM

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This will be calamity in 2060 (20 broadswords

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:21 AM

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We do have a plan for Eldritch Tome

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:21 AM

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Needs a damage buff really to support you standing 2 feet from enemies

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:21 AM

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Hey tentacle line is fine

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:21 AM

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But I don't think we have anything for Fates or Augur

#

atm

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:21 AM

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Sure it could be more creative but

#

There's like

#

4

small timber Jan 1, 2022, 4:21 AM

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question: is there ANY reason for tenebris to exist?

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:21 AM

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tentacle line is literally just change color and debuff

#

feelsmeowman

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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it's not like there's 90 of them

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So it's kind of a non issue

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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small timber question: is there ANY reason for tenebris to exist?

Mineable resource as opposed to an enemy drop for when you do the post-Cal excursion

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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(Broadsword)

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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I think it is fine

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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doesnt matter theyre still pretty awful

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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There's much more bloaty weapon types

lavish cloak Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

#

tenebris is fine

small timber Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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ok, I guess it can work, just that tenebris is kind of annoying to obtain

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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but scoria

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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lavish cloak doesnt matter theyre still pretty awful

Broadsword moment

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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Cope i think

small timber Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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it tend to extinct very quickly and have to dive deeper into the abyss to obtain

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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Scoria is the post-Golem excursion

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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Scoria is post golem

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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okay but cal and golem are next to each other

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:22 AM

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Rework tenebris into a herb i think

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:23 AM

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silver silo okay but cal and golem are next to each other

no

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:23 AM

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They are indeed close

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:23 AM

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fossil finch Rework tenebris into a herb i think

Thank you me

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:23 AM

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It's canonically a plant anyway

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:23 AM

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ccal and golem have like 4 bosses inbetween them

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:23 AM

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huh?

#

🤨

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:23 AM

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(And two events

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:23 AM

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fossil finch It's canonically a plant anyway

fish food

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:23 AM

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Well

#

eh

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:23 AM

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Post plant is hell anyway

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:23 AM

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fossil finch It's canonically a plant anyway

Tenebris’ definition is literally “darkness”. That’s all it gets lol

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:23 AM

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Byeah between calclone and golem you have plant aureus levi and uhh yo m

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:24 AM

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in vanilla terraria at least golem was such a joke you had no reason not to go immediately to it from plant

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:24 AM

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Tenebris is canonically confirmed to be a plant

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:24 AM

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atprtsd

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:24 AM

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Or plant like

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Idk where such info was anymore

#

But it is

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:24 AM

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Tenebris could use a lil more identity via a tooltip or something

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:24 AM

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It grows like chloro too afaik (obscure

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:24 AM

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Extremely

small timber Jan 1, 2022, 4:24 AM

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currently nearly all recipe of tenebris is use alongside either lumenyl or depth cell, with the exception of silva armor (which use tenebris for some reason?) and baraccuda gun

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:24 AM

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Takes about the same time as fucking frostbloom lul

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:25 AM

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hollow shell Tenebris could use a lil more identity via a tooltip or something

just call it fish food

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:25 AM

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Remember silva is stuffed in the abyss

cobalt pewter Jan 1, 2022, 4:25 AM

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I was thinking Augur could spin off the concept my making the tentacles spawn on the cursor and aim to the player, but that's the bare minimum imo

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:25 AM

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Frostbloom must take a long time to grow because I've never heard of it before HyperFailure

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:25 AM

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Tenebris existence is directly linked to her

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:25 AM

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Sorry shiverthorn

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:25 AM

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lol

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:25 AM

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So it's fine silva uses it

ruby plover Jan 1, 2022, 4:25 AM

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small timber currently nearly all recipe of tenebris is use alongside either lumenyl or depth...

i think silva armour uses tenebris because of silva lore

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silva makes the plants in the abyss

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:25 AM

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Mhm

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:25 AM

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crude geode Takes about the same time as fucking frostbloom lul

A friend does that and it has spread to me and I can’t fucking stop it lol

ruby plover Jan 1, 2022, 4:25 AM

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(if my memory serves me well)

small timber Jan 1, 2022, 4:25 AM

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oh ok there is lore reason behind it, never read of it after they removed the lore doc

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:26 AM

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Byeah tenebris could become a herb #suggestions-voting message

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(Now is the best time for it to become one with the next update focusing on not fucking bosses for once)

spare prawn Jan 1, 2022, 4:26 AM

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gray nebula when theres a nigh endless supply of poopy weapons that could be better

for example: like 90% of rouge weapons

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:27 AM

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Not to say I dislike Draedon but I also think things like Brimstone Crag’s existence and Underground Astral Infection need more work than funny end games boss

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:27 AM

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Herbs are supposedly hell to code however consider that that is the lamest excuse to not do cool shit

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:27 AM

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(i swear when are we just gonna turn tenebris into fish food like)

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:27 AM

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crude geode Not to say I dislike Draedon but I also think things like Brimstone Crag’s exist...

Wow i wonder

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Surely devs have no plans whatsoever

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taxevasion

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:28 AM

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I am aware of the fact that plans are in place I am just complaining Draedon and malice got pushed for first

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taxevasion

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:28 AM

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(It's just kinda funny having this types of comments be when you know they're aware and working on it

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:28 AM

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spare prawn for example: like 90% of rouge weapons

Hey
Thas untrue

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Melee weapons are much more prime candidates

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:28 AM

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(dash hierarchy sugg)

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:28 AM

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All rogue weps have stealth strikes to make them interesting

spare prawn Jan 1, 2022, 4:28 AM

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true

cobalt pewter Jan 1, 2022, 4:28 AM

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100% of broadswords are unepic

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:28 AM

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THERE IS MORE BROADSWORDS THAN SUMMON WEAPONS

spare prawn Jan 1, 2022, 4:28 AM

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but alot of stealth strikes are like

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:28 AM

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ok its funny because some peerson in art submitted an inconsequential astral bar resprite and then we had a hour long discussion about how to change astral

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widepeepohappy

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:29 AM

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hollow shell Melee weapons are much more prime candidates

my friend was telling me he thinks for the point the astral sword is obtained in, it doesnt really do much to help

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:29 AM

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gray nebula ok its funny because some peerson in art submitted an inconsequential astral bar...

LOL

spare prawn Jan 1, 2022, 4:29 AM

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"its the same projectile just, uh, faster/inf pierce/all of them at once

cobalt pewter Jan 1, 2022, 4:29 AM

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hollow shell All rogue weps have stealth strikes to make them interesting

to be fair, a good chunk of ss don't change much of a weapon's gameplay

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like

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uhhhhhh

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shinobi blade

spare prawn Jan 1, 2022, 4:29 AM

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i can think of

cobalt pewter Jan 1, 2022, 4:29 AM

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(the funny)

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:29 AM

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Every day I cannot suggest removing half of the fucking broadswords I get a little bit angrier at fabsol’s fap class

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:29 AM

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having excessively long debates about old content after resprites get submitted is a reocurring trend

spare prawn Jan 1, 2022, 4:29 AM

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cobalt kuani actually does something

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:29 AM

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Some tiers have like 3 fucking broadswords which is just 🤮

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:30 AM

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crude geode I am aware of the fact that plans are in place I am just complaining Draedon and...

Draedon was a "We've had this plan for so long, it is about time we've implemented it" thing
All of our plans are now focused on world and enemy content

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:30 AM

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gray nebula having excessively long debates about old content after resprites get submitted ...

Me omw to submit a resprite for the most obscure stuff ever i want changed

spare prawn Jan 1, 2022, 4:30 AM

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most SSs don't do much new in that they're just the regular attack but bigger. which is fine.

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its just that this in turn results in most of the special SSs being strong for their tier in SS builds

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:30 AM

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astral tier is just before moon lord right

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:30 AM

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Kinda the point

small timber Jan 1, 2022, 4:30 AM

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isnt asgard valor literally the better dash? for the simple fact that you don't take damage if you get hit by contact

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:30 AM

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silver silo astral tier is just before moon lord right

Yes

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:31 AM

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and yet the sword has 0 projectiles

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🤨

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:31 AM

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Astral blade on moonlord

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Is

spare prawn Jan 1, 2022, 4:31 AM

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crude geode Some tiers have like 3 fucking broadswords which is just 🤮

i mean

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:31 AM

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A thing

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Or was

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:31 AM

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spare prawn its just that this in turn results in most of the special SSs being strong for t...

A flamethrower isn’t gonna be a good weapon for a build with magic quiver afterall

spare prawn Jan 1, 2022, 4:31 AM

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most of those are ore swords

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:31 AM

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Not even

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:31 AM

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Idk if it still holds

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Anyways projectile swords cringe anyway

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:31 AM

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Like scoria + friends has like 3 broadswords, plus a few others I am probably forgetting

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:31 AM

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Just completely rework ml

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:31 AM

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It's not impossible to True Melee on Moon Lord
s'not like doin True Melee on SCal
Cuz you can catch up to ML's hands and head

It is just, of course, hard

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:32 AM

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crude geode I am aware of the fact that plans are in place I am just complaining Draedon and...

Malicemonment

spare prawn Jan 1, 2022, 4:32 AM

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also i am pleased to announce i have broken your videogame

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:32 AM

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pushing for draedon is good tho imo

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:32 AM

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hollow shell It's not *impossible* to True Melee on Moon Lord s'not like doin True Melee on S...

you'd be hurting your chances for no reason using weaponry thats on tier

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:32 AM

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spare prawn also i am pleased to announce i have broken your videogame

sadly no. that is my duty

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:32 AM

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since drae is still very good for ingame worldbuilding

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:32 AM

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spare prawn also i am pleased to announce i have broken your videogame

Not channel relevant?

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:32 AM

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(unlimited buffs is not a break game sort of thing)

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:33 AM

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I think broadswords should just be. thanos snapped. I could never fucking suggest it because it would make people whine and whinge for days on end that insert generic bar broadsword #3774637 is gone

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But it’s so fucking bloated

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:33 AM

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Opinion warning

grim tusk Jan 1, 2022, 4:33 AM

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Boss rush is unbalanced, it isnt finished @tribal cedar

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:33 AM

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crude geode I think broadswords should just be. thanos snapped. I could never fucking sugges...

We're working on it

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We're slowly munching through all the boring broadswords and making them cooler

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:34 AM

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gray nebula since drae is still very good for ingame worldbuilding

I'm still confused as to whether the draedon we see is the man himself or a clone

cobalt pewter Jan 1, 2022, 4:34 AM

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i am p sure like

dash accs are prioritized by their position in the acc slots?

hardy dock Jan 1, 2022, 4:34 AM

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grim tusk Boss rush is unbalanced, it isnt finished <@909936286771576902>

ODech

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:34 AM

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cobalt pewter i am p sure like dash accs are prioritized by their position in the acc slots?

i think so

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:34 AM

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cobalt pewter i am p sure like dash accs are prioritized by their position in the acc slots?

Vanilla dashes only iirc

cobalt pewter Jan 1, 2022, 4:34 AM

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ahh

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:34 AM

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hollow shell We're slowly munching through all the boring broadswords and making them cooler

"mahogany broadsword: gains the ability to do 1 more damage"

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:34 AM

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hollow shell We're slowly munching through all the boring broadswords and making them cooler

I mean isn’t there some tiers with like 3 broadswords from a single fuckin bar

small timber Jan 1, 2022, 4:34 AM

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your movement are significantly stronger in BR than when you are fighting the bosses, if they use Death Mode Ai bosses will get trashed (not like most of them already are currently)

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:34 AM

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but rover how will you make the pearlwood sword cooler KiaraUfufu

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:35 AM

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hardy dock <:ODech:734079113496625222>

Sorry the +20 minute long and growing thing isn't balanced yet with every setup ever or whatever

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:35 AM

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crude geode I mean isn’t there some tiers with like 3 broadswords from a single fuckin bar

aint that uh aerialite or sumn?

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:35 AM

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silver silo I'm still confused as to whether the draedon we see is the man himself or a clon...

man himself

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hes a robot

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its hard to define whos the real who you get me

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:35 AM

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He just has 90 billion bodies clearly

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:35 AM

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its his real consciousness

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:35 AM

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silver silo I'm still confused as to whether the draedon we see is the man himself or a clon...

Official lore is that
Draedon pilots multiple bodies, the one that we see in the fight is not him him. When you blow him to pieces he just contacts you from his actual location a safe distance away. He'd never put himself in the line of fire if he can help it.

gray nebula Jan 1, 2022, 4:35 AM

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its like bondrewd from made in abyss that can swap bodies in his network

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:35 AM

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man picks a body for every occasion like a suit

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:35 AM

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gray nebula its like bondrewd from made in abyss that can swap bodies in his network

based

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:36 AM

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silver silo but rover how will you make the pearlwood sword cooler <:KiaraUfufu:845249346022...

We already do.

hardy dock Jan 1, 2022, 4:36 AM

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fossil finch Sorry the +20 minute long and growing thing isn't balanced yet with every setup ...

Frankly they should’ve waited until they didn’t face a huge amount on their plate to make major changes so it’s not unplayable

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:36 AM

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hollow shell Official lore is that Draedon pilots multiple bodies, the one that we see in the...

so basically. draedon is just eggman in a nutshell.

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:36 AM

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hollow shell Official lore is that Draedon pilots multiple bodies, the one that we see in the...

couldnt he just have a shield like scal though and be the real him

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alyshrug

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:36 AM

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hardy dock Frankly they should’ve waited until they didn’t face a huge amount on their plat...

It isn't though

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:36 AM

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Ah fuck nevermind I was thinking of Pearlwood Bow

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We don't touch the sword

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:36 AM

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hardy dock Frankly they should’ve waited until they didn’t face a huge amount on their plat...

it is playable.

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:36 AM

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silver silo couldnt he just have a shield like scal though and be the real him

Why take the risk

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when you can remotely pilot a fake you

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:36 AM

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literally just eggman

grim tusk Jan 1, 2022, 4:37 AM

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hollow shell Official lore is that Draedon pilots multiple bodies, the one that we see in the...

“Quite unnecessary” materializes another clone

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:37 AM

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or Dr Wily

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:37 AM

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why even show up at all then

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:37 AM

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Because it's hilarious

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:37 AM

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hollow shell or Dr Wily

nah eggman

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:37 AM

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silver silo why even show up at all then

Theatrics.

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He has respect for you

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:37 AM

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just contact you via a codec call and we can discuss memes

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:37 AM

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eggman just sends literally clones of himself into battle

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:37 AM

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You can't tell me draedon doesn't like presentation anyway

tribal cedar Jan 1, 2022, 4:37 AM

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grim tusk Boss rush is unbalanced, it isnt finished <@909936286771576902>

It’s unfinished yeah, but even for someone playing on revengeance they’re forced to go up against Malice level bosses. A majority of players won’t even be able to get to Scal let alone beat her even after many attempts, especially with how much damage she has in BR (which is honestly fine), it’s just projectile speed from malice that make it essentially a malice nohit, especially with everything before and having to put up with supersonic Yharon directly afterwards

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:37 AM

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anyway this is fucking

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not for this channel

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:37 AM

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tribal cedar It’s unfinished yeah, but even for someone playing on revengeance they’re forced...

its boss rush

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:37 AM

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Yeah that's better

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:37 AM

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why tf

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:38 AM

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Yes uh

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Brimmy.

silver silo Jan 1, 2022, 4:38 AM

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crude geode **why tf**

and how many of those are even good

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:38 AM

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Those weapons are not in the same tier

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like you were saying earlier

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:38 AM

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blade of enmity being that one

grim tusk Jan 1, 2022, 4:38 AM

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tribal cedar It’s unfinished yeah, but even for someone playing on revengeance they’re forced...

Well BR is supposed to be a challenge, were you expecting to breeze through it or smth?

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:38 AM

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Enmity is the one that needs changing the most and iirc we do have plans for it

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Also let's not turn this into a "skill issue" argument please

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:39 AM

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^

exotic stag Jan 1, 2022, 4:39 AM

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(its not its just people whining over something being unfinished)

hollow shell Jan 1, 2022, 4:39 AM

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It's not fair to deny suggestions because something is unfinished, either

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If anything it should be the opposite

crude geode Jan 1, 2022, 4:40 AM

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Nowhere in the pins is that a valid reasoning

grim tusk Jan 1, 2022, 4:40 AM

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BR feels in a weird spot, but at least BoC telefrags gon

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:41 AM

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This is the type of suggs that aren't bad but they aren't really helpful either

small timber Jan 1, 2022, 4:41 AM

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how do you get outrun with Drew's Wings/Celestial Tracer even

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:41 AM

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Just throwing a sugg about x being unfair and needing to be toned down isn't really something i would find helpful at all if i were a dev and knew i left smt unfinished

small timber Jan 1, 2022, 4:42 AM

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unless the boss teleport (like BoC literally in your face) bosses literally can't touch you

fossil finch Jan 1, 2022, 4:42 AM

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Also it is important to say they have malice ai because they are supposed to keep up with you