suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

One of the reasons I wanted the boosted default player running and mining speed to be configs
Is because having them as config settings also serves the purpose of informing the player that they are changes that we make

[north plank]

maybe a message when breaking an altar?

[small timber]

early hardmode can be on pwnehammer since it is the tool use to break altar

[hollow shell]

Pwnhammer's tooltip gets changed

[small timber]

current version of tooltip simply dont do its job, oh ok

[eternal escarp]

and yeah you could use NPC text, maybe an item to the like of a "changes" post with the loot bag

[hollow shell]

The tooltip doesn't communicate too much though iirc

[eternal escarp]

etc

[north plank]

“You see visions of machines before you”

or something when you break an altar

[ruby plover]

calamity first timers defeating wulfrum enemies trying to get the ores to spawn

[north plank]

[languid quartz]

Or just be flat out and say on the pwnhammer “use on altars for souls, kill mechs for ores” or smth

[north plank]

wow way to be graceful smh

[obsidian cove]

I see around 3-4 people a day in support in tmod asking why there isnt hardmode ores, and I can only assume theres even more asking here

[small timber]

I think just made it as obvious as it need to be, not like it is a hidden mechanic or easter egg

it is just clarification on reworked mechanic

[eternal escarp]

this sounds good actually, maybe breaking the first altar could give an actual reminder that tier 1 HM ore spawned by WoF?

[north plank]

if only it was just 3-4

yeah tbh

[frozen hornet]

Make the first mech drop a broken pwnhammer that breaks after using it on an altar

[hollow shell]

You mean WoF?

[eternal escarp]

like, not even a lore or wacky sentence

[ruby plover]

checking bugs and pins daily right after the release of 1.5 was a mistake and i have learned from it greatly

[north plank]

[eternal escarp]

after WoF theres the cobalt and palladium message but tbh theres so much messages right after WoF it gets drowned

and people might automatically go to an altar regardless for tier 2 and 3 ores

[north plank]

Yeah wof already spawns like 4 sentences

[eternal escarp]

showing a reminder after your first altar might be good imo

[frozen hornet]

ML is even funnier

[languid quartz]

I’ve seen people think that was a bug

[north plank]

people will 100% go to an altar first if they don’t know about the change, which is why people always ask “I broke an altar but no ores spawned”

legit they do

[eternal escarp]

WoF death
Astral Meteor
Sunken Sea 2 electric boogaloo
Hallow
Ore

[ruby plover]

its weird that the altar spawns souls of night and yet people think its a bug

[cobalt pewter]

proves how much people want to read

[small timber]

just change pwnhammer tooltip something along the line of:

Calamity Hardmode Ore Rework (Can be disabled in Mod Configuration):
Demon altars no longer spawn ores when destroyed
Cobalt and Palladium ores are spawned on defeating Wall of Flesh
Mechs bosses are weaker and every subsequent Mech bosses beaten (The Twins, The Destroyer and Skeleton Prime) will spawn ores (Mythril/Orichalchum, Adamantite/Titanium and Hallow). The order of their defeat are non-linear.
Hardmode ores cannot be obtained from other sources before the required number of Mech bosses are defeated

[eternal escarp]

it obviously isnt tbh, but people outside dont know if there would be a reason for them to do so, thinking it is a big

[obsidian cove]

anyone else remember the pop up when you entered hardmode on like 1.2

[cobalt pewter]

don't think everything should be dumped into pwnhammer

[eternal escarp]

some could

not all though ye

[small timber]

I mean they do the same to the item required to activate Revengeance and Death

they are literally wall of texts

[eternal escarp]

pwn could tell about altars not spawning ores and that the mechs do

and not to in detail

[north plank]

then breaking an altar would just elaborate further

[cobalt pewter]

and the soul of night spawning on altar broken can just be, you know, a message when you broke altars?

[eternal escarp]

yeee

[small timber]

I think it is relatively important to clarify the details, because the mech bosses are weaker

[north plank]

people will noticed the pop up expecting your would had been blessed, but actually see something different

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[north plank]

no one is gonna read pwnage cause they’ve seen it before, they think they know what it’s all about

[cobalt pewter]

and I wouldn't mind Goblin explaining briefly how his reforging works in his lines

[eternal escarp]

(if this was theoretically real itd need a different color then the normal "blessing" so people dont just skip it)

[small timber]

I mean if the pwnhammer have a wall of text tooltip they will probably be drawn to it

[cobalt pewter]

again, pwnhammer can have some info, but not everything

[eternal escarp]

dumping a revengence like tooltip on a simple hammer is ech

[cobalt pewter]

it's there for diff toggle items because that's their whole purpose

toggling difficulty

even then, I want cal to have a way to simplify and expand tooltips like Clicker class

Clicker class hides the description of clicker effects as long as you're not holding shift while hovering over the items

[eternal escarp]

o i did not know thats possible

that could be grand for stealth note on armors too

[cobalt pewter]

yeah

perhaps I will suggest it actually

[eternal escarp]

do tbh

[lilac steppe]

I think the text should be put on the hammer because people will notice it as it isnt normal

[ruby plover]

Ohhh the expanding/contracting of tooltips is a really good idea

[cobalt pewter]

yeah it's one of the things I really like about clicker class

[silver silo]

#suggestions-voting message

this suggestion honestly makes me think of vergil's concentration gauge in dmc4/5, which honestly I wouldnt mind stealth being renamed to

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell just curious, I feel like the suggestion frequency has died down to a somewhat similar rate to before 1.5 (still a bit more because new stuff and all), would a review in star req be done anytime soon?

[hollow shell]

It definitely hasn't reached pre-1.5 levels. Before 1.5 it was possible for #suggestions-posting to be empty.

But, yes I'm sorry for not addressing the star req issue.

I have no excuses for not doing it other than I haven't felt up to the task as of late

[cobalt pewter]

ahh

[cobalt pewter]

it's fine, no need to stress it

[silver silo]

your services arent an obligation rover, take breaks when you need to

[silver silo]

''By eliminating excessive action, be either aimless running or failed sword strikes, he will gain Concentration, making him more focused and deadlier. For each action, a perfect reaction: Anyone can swing a sword, but only the most disciplined can master it.''

has a lot more in common with the current ''stealth'' mechanic than actually being stealthy does, I think

[frozen hornet]

Concentrated strike sounds nice

[silver silo]

somebody make fabsol a dmc fanboy so he can put it in the game

[cobalt pewter]

mfw that's how you do things in cal

[hollow shell]

If you're insidious and clever enough, yeah

Getting Fab interested in something is probably your best bet for getting what you want into the mod

[frozen hornet]

inb4 fab already has it

[cobalt pewter]

[silver silo]

surprised he isnt interested already in dmc considering the comparisons people draw between it and MGR

[hollow shell]

@small timber I think I am missing information. What do mean when you say you want the bash to "work" on an invulnerable enemy? Do you want it to deal damage? Or is this about the i-frames?

[crude geode]

Likely i-frames though it should be specified

Will say that Yharon should just have his P2 transition invulnerability removed

[sleek wadi]

I-frames likely, although getting a cheap shot on Yharon as he's phase switching does sound kinda funny

P2 invincibility should be shortened to wear off once the lyrics kick in

[crude geode]

Isn’t that still like 30 seconds

[sleek wadi]

Closer to 10 probably, gonna check

[hollow shell]

(the fire sound in the vid doesn't play in-game)

[royal tapir]

That's, like, 3 seconds off iirc

[sleek wadi]

15~ seconds of invuln

Still pretty long but Yharon isn't acting for all of that

[crude geode]

He kinda is though

Also the other compromise is to just make him not do dmg during the transition similar to dog and scal

[sleek wadi]

I can tolerate 15 seconds, thats the length of an Scal bullet hell

[wheat jetty]

My suggestion about to get to 100

[sleek wadi]

The current length is definitely excessive though, I can get well over half an adrenaline off of it alone

[royal tapir]

Current invulnerability actually ends before lyrics kick in

By about half a second

[cobalt pewter]

maybe it's the fact that the rams need to deal damage to give iframes? idk?

[sleek wadi]

Really now? My game seems to be lagging during it then because the track gets like 25 seconds in before Yharon decides to take damage again

[royal tapir]

Do you have Frame Skip off?

[sleek wadi]

Frame skip is off yes, didn't think it'd desync it by that much though

[royal tapir]

Yharon can be laggy, frames are always a factor

[small timber]

oh sorry I waited for like 5 minutes see no comment and left

I mean for the bash do be able to "avoid contact damage" from invulnerable enemy, but most notably the mentioned two

[hollow shell]

Alright, yeah, that would be the i-frames

[small timber]

although I am not sure how relevant it will be in non Malice, since I get the idea from recently Malice fights with Profaned Guardian

for Yharon he always do 2 lightspeed charge during the invul phase which you cannot bash through because he is invincible

for profaned guardian it is relevant for the entire phase until the other guardians are down (then the melee guardian lose invulnerability and bash function normally)

[hollow shell]

Yeah, I can see why it would be annoying to lose that damage-avoidance option just cuz the enemy is invincible

[small timber]

ya, it is the main function too, the bash damage itself is not really relevant

[hollow shell]

You should clarify that in your suggestion

[small timber]

ya I will, forgot to clarify it is the i-frame

[hollow shell]

Ah yeah I see the title now

Good

Thanks xpcqe

[small timber]

ok, probably fixed it, no problem

[rose latch]

how does this invulnerable enemy bonk work with ceaseless void

it does turn vulnerable at some points

[small timber]

ceaseless void is not really a contact damage focus boss so I think he can get a pass

I think it works fully except during his desperation phase, he don't really do contact damage so I didnt pay attention

[rose latch]

he keeps fucking me over when I try to fight him

with contact damage

[small timber]

you mean the balls? you can bash those

except blackhole phase but you should focus on dodging for blackhole phase

if you get sucked into the ceaseless void itself it is more attributable to your own fault really

[rose latch]

nah like the actual void during the energies phase

sometimes you can bash it when the energies are near it

but if there's nothing you can't bash

[small timber]

normally you should not be able to accidently hit into ceaseless void itself (unless you explicitly trying to bash into it), just always bash outwards

[rose latch]

nah it's very easy to get hit

it only locks to your screen in malice and when enraged

otherwise it moves around much more freely

[small timber]

oh really? I only play death and malice so he always is tightly locked on screen

[rose latch]

not on death

only malice and enraged

in death it can just move around freely

[small timber]

I will just test it, if I remember correctly you can bash ceaseless void himself during all but desperation phase (because he is invulnerable)

[rose latch]

you can get contact damaged from just using wings

he's invulnerable in the dark energies phase

you can bash

but only if you hit a dark energy right next to it

so that you can clip through using those I frames

and not actually bashing CV itself

[small timber]

ya just tested, can't bash him

although since my suggestion specified "contact damage focus enemy" and ceaseless void main attack is dark energies (which you can bash), not sure if fitting ceaseless void into it will be appropriate

especially in my testing you really need to move a lot to be able to even get contact damage by ceaseless void, maybe just because my pattern of fighting cv is to remain static and only bash into energies when they come near

[ashen warren]

@whole wedgeyou can install anti lag mod and disable dust which would solve weapons lagging issue

[cobalt pewter]

antilag is a bit bugged iirc

if you want a better alternative, go get "Nycro's Nohit Efficiency Mod" (or smth along those lines)

the mod has a toggle for dust and gore lifetime

[ashen warren]

^this

[fossil finch]

Dom after the 3 billionth sulph sea worldgen sugg

[robust lava]

If a suggestion starts with “fix” it would probably be a better fit for #bugs-read-pins

[fervent citrus]

posted a sugg post for the first time in a year

pardon me

[fervent citrus]

ig theres no need then

[hollow shell]

hrm

Indeed, not the best phrasing or solution

[astral yoke]

thinkin bout asking for vanity elementals

like put a sand elemental in a social slot and have her pop up but with no actual gains

[deft yew]

Calamity's Vanities

[astral yoke]

just having her chill

[deft yew]

[fossil finch]

Just use Cal Val

[exotic stag]

(aint it like really easy if you just.. move in a diagonal direction?)

[golden narwhal]

Will say there is a unique audio cue for each of the projectiles she can spawn

[novel timber]

isn't the audio cue at the moment the projectiles are spawned

i think there's no harm in making it better telegraphed

[exotic stag]

the moment the projectiles are spawned. while the projectiles move slow

the only bad one is the wind ones

because they are practically instant

[golden narwhal]

If you think the audio is ineffective at telegraphing, I'd say mention it in the sugg

[novel timber]

if you're moving you can still run into them really easily

diagonal movement isn't foolproof with the spears and sometimes the notes

[novel timber]

to be honest i didn't know those existed but i will add those yes

[exotic stag]

the spears are actually diagonal dodgeable. so are the notes

the notes go in a + zone

so unless your moving at a very strange angle

you usually will dodge them

[golden narwhal]

[deft yew]

Ok I agree hard on this

I was actually thinking about sugging it myself

[deft yew]

you can remove my sugg in voting since changelogs 98 and 99 exist

[deft yew]

agree, although the second solution is rough territory

[violet dagger]

yeah that's what I was going for

wanted to offer a potential solution that could work

but probably janky and not easy

I mainly made this because I want to do perforators in my corruption world for completionist purposes before realizing its gonna be difficult to even get them to spawn

[deft yew]

also if you made the biome override

fighting perfs with space gravity

[violet dagger]

oh yeah gravity

that's more good reasoning

[deft yew]

more malice reward

fair enough

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message victory

[patent nimbus]

yup

[deft yew]

actual freaking victory

[violet dagger]

cool

[golden narwhal]

Do dust removal mods or stuff like that affect the teleport telegraph, because skele does have a very visible one

[fresh drift]

if thats the case then that represents part of a bigger problem

dust-only projectiles sometimes just dont show up on modes where the dust cap is low

[crude geode]

Or alternatively in multiplayer, making some weapons unusable

[fresh drift]

i was thinking maybe projectiles fired by friendlies are partially transparent

[crude geode]

The problem is that sometimes a projectile based on dust particles is just deleted

Likely cuz there’s too many and it’s getting culled

[fresh drift]

yeah

[crude geode]

Problem is prolly most prevelant when playing with a summoner during endgame

[fresh drift]

i dont know if the wiki says the exact cap but it's a few thousand

which is easy for weapons/bosses that spam it to reach

and the graphics quality mode in the options menu affects the limit

[crude geode]

I do know for a fact that skele’s teleport is indicated by dust so if you aren’t seeing it’s likely cuz it’s getting culled

[fresh drift]

fair enough

[distant gyro]

there's no projectiles

skeletron, cryo, brimstone, signus, etc (can't remember anymore) just spawn a ton of dust as a part of AI

roughly 2-3 seconds before it happens

[deft yew]

ok i agree with this one

[fossil finch]

Me harassing dom so he changes all dust spams

[distant gyro]

imo wof should be slower the closer you are

generally justifiable that if you just hold d the entire time and wof is slow then it's practically cheesing

[deft yew]

wait did exodium planetoids get... removed?

or do they just screw up sometimes

[fossil finch]

No

[violet dagger]

~~I have a solution to most of these problems: double instabridge ~~

[golden narwhal]

you can kinda already do that tbf

[frozen hornet]

Exo planets didn't appear for me which is funny (annoying)

[golden narwhal]

I'm mostly assuming that the bullet hell after WoF's dash would help deter that

[frozen hornet]

Waffle rubber banding

[cobalt pewter]

yes

[grim tusk]

@obsidian cove im surprised this hasn’t been mentioned but why do you think #bugs-read-pins is called like that
Oh and I’m surprised people don’t know that the full changelogs are on the wiki and not #changelogs

[cobalt pewter]

#TurnWoFIntoTheWallmonger

[hollow shell]

@fresh drift Huh? Doesn't a telegraph already exist? A purple dust cloud forms in the location where he's going to teleport to

We did this a while ago, for several teleporting bosses including Brimmy

[grim tusk]

Yea been there since 1.4

[cobalt pewter]

yea

[grim tusk]

Its prob some reduce particles mod antilag or smth

[cobalt pewter]

if there's any way they couldn't see it, it's because of anything that minimizes dust

[hollow shell]

The suggestion should be changed so that it's not "Add a telegraph" but rather "Give the existing telegraph a visual that isn't purely dust-based"

[cobalt pewter]

a simple sprite on top of dust should do the trick I think

[rose latch]

yeah this would happen with the old brimstone elemental laser telegraph

[grim tusk]

Projectile

[hollow shell]

They're projectiles

[cobalt pewter]

yea it happens

[hollow shell]

:?

[cobalt pewter]

i think?

[rose latch]

I would use dust heavy weapons and then the telegraph would disappear

[hollow shell]

Less Brimstone Monsters spawn on lower difficulty modes

[grim tusk]

Thats why the funny gael/relic of resilance bugs used to happen

[hollow shell]

Okay, dunno then

[grim tusk]

I hope DM Scal aint a pushover with the new buff

I did MaD (Malice and Death, not MAD) Scal on 11 tries

Supernova, final dawn and celestus ripped her appart

[rose latch]

exo weapons

[grim tusk]

Final dawn is amazing vs hearts

[rose latch]

which attack

[grim tusk]

And has roughly the same dps as celestus, but the iframes feel like cheating so i only used it vs hearts

[grim tusk]

Both

[hollow shell]

It has 4.

[grim tusk]

I used all but the spam throw one

Also @hollow shell , is something gonna happen to the star count? Not being impatient but it has been a long time since you said you’d adjust it, 270 stars seems to really discourage making and voting suggestions

Only like 3 suggestions have been delivered

[hollow shell]

Yeah I mentioned that yesterday

[obsidian cove]

This isnt just #bugs-read-pins, I dont look in that channel and can only assume its bad there, on tmods server theres at least 3-4 people each day asking why there ores wont spawn and theres probably a whole lot more that dont go to a server to report it and have a worse experience because of it

[grim tusk]

Those reports are very uncommon here

[hollow shell]

(which is kinda even worse)

[grim tusk]

And the few there are are just told that thats an intended feature

[hollow shell]

(cuz we're causing problems for other people)

[obsidian cove]

also theres probably people who dont report it and instead disable mods/refight wall or end up cheating in ores since they think its a bug

[rose latch]

there could be a draedons log kind of thing dropped from the wall

explaining the changes

[grim tusk]

By looking at the #modding-help and #support channels there isnt many of those reports

[grim tusk]

Fucking

!wiki 1.5

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/1.5.0.001
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page 1.5 for a direct link or !wiki search 1.5 for a list of all hits.

[rose latch]

yeah some people just don't think of that

[hollow shell]

When the idea of an early-HM rework first came up, and I wanted it to be optional,
I had the idea of making it so killing WoF popped up a lil UI asking you which of the two progression types you wanted to play with
But, I never seriously engaged that possibility, it'd probably be all kinds of fucked up trying to implement

[rose latch]

yeah making it give you a choice seems very hard to do

I remember mobile terraria used to have a popup to explain what hardmode is whenever you killed wof for the first time on a world

[hollow shell]

Oh, I never knew that

I'd love to see footage of that actually

[grim tusk]

I found it EXTREMELY ANNOYING

[obsidian cove]

I had a screenshot of it but I think I no longer have the device with them

[grim tusk]

There was a bug where it popped up everytime you killed WoF, and another where it popped when entering a hm world, they were thankfully fixed when Duke got ported

Havent played mobile terraria since 1.3 came out

[rose latch]

I think they removed it

not sure though

haven't played in ages

[obsidian cove]

pretty sure they removed it

[grim tusk]

👍

[obsidian cove]

I think it looked like this

[grim tusk]

Oh thats the 1.1 one

[rose latch]

yeah that's the even older one

[violet dagger]

oh yeah i remember those from mobile

[rose latch]

I think they had a newer one

[grim tusk]

There was a picture of the hallow on the 1.2 one

Had a bunch of enemies from it as well

[rose latch]

yeah

I think there was a unicorn

[grim tusk]

There were a unicorn, a pixie and a gastropod

[hollow shell]

Ay yeah I just found a video of it
https://youtu.be/x1DisQBzsRo?t=335

I wanted to see this because I believe it would be one of the only mentions of the term "Hardmode" in game anywhere
because I realized a while back that it's actually not readily available in-game info, the name of the world state after Wall of Flesh
Only hint is the achievement name "It's Hard!" iirc

[silver silo]

on the 3ds version theres still a popup

[cobalt pewter]

honestly I wouldn't mind cal giving a hm pop up with the good ol "never show this again" check box

(and an additional config toggle for the pop up)

[hollow shell]

This is 3DS?

[silver silo]

aye

[hollow shell]

Aight, thank you

[silver silo]

fun fact if anyone remembers that terraria had cards once

hardmode was referred to as the ''second age''

[hollow shell]

Quite interesting

(That's a better name tbh, I wish that took off)

("Hardmode" is confusing with the existence of player and world difficulties)

[cobalt pewter]

Second Age, huh

[silver silo]

I guess the much more commonly used fan term just sort of became a staple

[cobalt pewter]

sounds pretty good actually

[silver silo]

very true

[cobalt pewter]

also hardmode sounds really like a placeholder name

[hollow shell]

Post-ML could then have the accepted term of "Third Age"

[cobalt pewter]

but it's too late to change it now

[hollow shell]

And some edgy and ambitious mod devs could do "Fourth Age" "Fifth Age", etc

[cobalt pewter]

the final age involving killing the earth itself pog

[silver silo]

in terms of lore you could still call it that, hardmode is just the GAMEPLAY name used by players and like...one achievement

maybe draedon could have a log mentioning it

[hollow shell]

Yeah I imagine anybody trying to write an in-universe story would not be using the term "Hardmode" to describe the world after WoF's death

[cobalt pewter]

yeah the issue is that literally everyone uses hardmode, but the name itself is rarely mentioned in game

[hollow shell]

byeah

Well, this ain't sugg talk

Not super worthy of suggestions, anyway

Nobody playing Calamity is gonna be unfamiliar with the term

[cobalt pewter]

as buffy said, you could mention second and third age in lore bits, but yea

[hollow shell]

Oh I

just saw your suggestion now, Storm

I forgot the Rules pin existed...

[cobalt pewter]

yeah it's been around for a long while

a bit redundant but I didn't think much of it

[cobalt rose]

want to ask a question before i decide to suggest something

is the reason why all pecentage-based max life boosts act like you have no more than 500 hp a limitation due to vanilla fuckery or an oversight

[hollow shell]

I was not aware of such an issue

[cobalt rose]

i swear to god if this is actually just a problem on my end

[safe oasis]

no it’s global dw

always assumed it was just vanilla fuckery so i never mentioned it

[cobalt pewter]

...you know what, that sounds kinda funny, considering you can boost your HP up to 600 in just vanilla

and I guess the issue is amplified in cal

to the point of notice

[cobalt rose]

?

[rugged belfry]

No

[hollow shell]

It's been suggested several times
((And I agree with it every time))

[frozen hornet]

I noticed it while writing a comparison between hote and community and I didn't think about it further because I never used community

[crude geode]

@swift wadi spam

thanks

[short dust]

i do think shortening the tooltips and then pressing a hotkey to expand for more info is a good idea

at minimum it could only show the basic stats of an item

the rest is contained in the expanded one

[cobalt pewter]

an example from Clicker class about the tooltip thingy

[fossil finch]

Nah fam
Pole warper meta is hilarious

[cobalt pewter]

@ashen warren a little thing, the remark about your English can be removed. Not only it's unnecessary, but your English is also perfectly understandable

[ashen warren]

Alright

[eternal escarp]

@upbeat nebula you need to have proper formatting and a reason in your suggestions

also, why..?

[upbeat nebula]

i mean why not lol the lore of him growing i guess

[eternal escarp]

"why not" isnt really a reason

[upbeat nebula]

im joking it can be deleted XD

[eternal escarp]

well you should delete the sugg rather then wait for a mod to do so

oh you did

okay

[fossil bronze]

i've been doing some stuff in the abyss and i had a thought
the left wall is really thin
so i'm thinking about suggesting to make it wider

for reference:
left wall:

right wall:

should i suggest it or is it too specific

[small timber]

I don't think it will be a problem, the main function of the abyss wall is to prevent the player from breaking from the abyss to the normal biome

they really don't need to be thicker than it needs to be if they already do their job, and making the walls thicker will probably make the already tight spacing abyss to be even more limited

[twin trout]

Does anyone know when the boss rush music will be there

[exotic stag]

it'll be there once the final piece is complete iirc.

since t4 is still missing if im right

[royal tapir]

All the Boss Rush Music Boxes are actually in the game but unobtainable, and for obvious reasons tiers 4 and 5 don't work

[cobalt pewter]

so far the progress is t3

so until all the tiers are done, no BR theme for you

[fossil bronze]

abyss space would stay the same

it deleted my fucking
message

what i said was: i was thinking more about extending it outwards into the caverns/underground

[small timber]

I don't really think it will be a necessary feature, unless it is to expand the space in the abyss

since abyss is based on the horizontal position on the map so it may be difficult too to expand the abyss that way

[fossil bronze]

fair enough i guess

[ashen warren]

He has them lo

[lusty iris]

@fresh drift the purple particles telegraphs where he ends up

[ashen warren]

Enable afterimages in the config

[small timber]

it is why the suggestion is exclaimed

[ashen warren]

Iirc turning them off disables that telegraph

[fresh drift]

yeah, someone said yesterday that it was the case

that said

dust only indicators still sometimes dont show up

either because theres already lots of dust or because a "performance" mod is getting rid of it

[ashen warren]

Enable afterimages

[exotic stag]

(its also white too.. not just purple. or atleast its white for me)

[ashen warren]

are you on white lighting

[fallow hedge]

@small timber Emblem hunting can be frustrating but you can actually kill the Guide with lava in the underworld(by setting up a home and actuators) and that will summon the Wall of Flesh

[hollow shell]

^ @fresh drift

[fallow hedge]

also multiple emblems can drop per bag if you have Expert+ on so Calamity already makes it a bit easier

[fossil finch]

I believe this is 1.4 only

[exotic stag]

yes thats 1.4.0.1

[small timber]

well that is 1.4

[hollow shell]

Really? I thought that was always a thing. Strange

[small timber]

ya I tried it in calamity, I actually thought it is a 1.3 feature

[exotic stag]

i mean you can still kill the guide himself

just make him a single house in the underworld and literally equip a voodoo doll

and kill him

[small timber]

oh wait sorry I thought you are tagging me

wait directly attacking the guide works? I thought lava is a hard requirement

[exotic stag]

first 2 lines

[fallow hedge]

oh it is

my bad

[worthy lintel]

already in the works

[gray nebula]

[worthy lintel]

@civic granite i deleted your sugg because it's already a thing in changelogs

[civic granite]

oh, but thanks for telling me

[worthy lintel]

its aight

just be careful to read changelogs before posting

[cobalt pewter]

wrong

I always have afterimages off

and the dust are always there

[ashen warren]

oh

cool

[cobalt pewter]

yea

[gray nebula]

Malice Moment

[deft yew]

Moment

[languid quartz]

great suggestions 10/10 tbh

they address the crucial issues with cal atm

[deft yew]

1. malice is not supposed to be easy
2. malice old duke already got nohitted at least twice

[iron trench]

[river glen]

smh i cant beat it

it means impossible

calamity bad

obv its issue of mod

[deft yew]

there is only one issue of mod in calamity history

(that i know)

and it's

[river glen]

yeah BoC is very hard

but that is just a skill issue on my part lol

[fossil bronze]

guys why is this boss not intended to be fought on tier hard when i fight it on tier

malice bad lmao

(/s)

[exotic stag]

(pettable yharon.. just like wait until 1.4 and get a fucking orange cat or somethin. and call it yharon idk?) malice mode players when they realize they can turn off malice:

[exotic stag]

also no not impossible. "imposable"

you cant pose as him

[cobalt pewter]

better solution to the last sugg in #suggestions-voting : remove evil island

[spare prawn]

new suggestion
endgame rouge brickweapon
reason why: is funni

[cobalt pewter]

no

[frozen hornet]

Celestus already hits like a truck

[crude geode]

Tbh I wouldn’t mind more weapons for Draedon for rogue cuz you have like 1 from Yharon

[frozen hornet]

2 not 1

sm

[exotic stag]

well no you have like 6

[frozen hornet]

Byeah more auric rogue would be fine and dandy

[exotic stag]

remember: you arent restricted to just "yeet weapons away get only ones from post boss >:L"

[frozen hornet]

true but still

[crude geode]

Yes but also like other classes get more lol

[exotic stag]

true that but still

[crude geode]

and also have their previous options

[frozen hornet]

mage with the

[exotic stag]

melee and ranger have like the most

[crude geode]

That is indeed a Melee moment (as well as Ranger being quirky)

[cobalt pewter]

yeah but I was mainly referring to the reasoning thing

the "no"

[crude geode]

Yes it is indeed poor reasoning

[cobalt pewter]

I'm welcome for more post Yharon rogue weapons

at least anything made out of auric

cus like

it doesn't exist

[crude geode]

Yep

[cobalt pewter]

a

[ashen warren]

until it gets patched

[silver silo]

I wish the shattered sun had an upgrade or two

sad that it ends on provi

[cobalt pewter]

Exalline was about to becomea a thing

[frozen hornet]

exalline was funny

[silver silo]

🤨

[frozen hornet]

Closest we got was iban slapping a handle and energy blade on the exo prism's sprite

[distant gyro]

exalline isn't real

rogue already has 2 exos

[frozen hornet]

okay but ranger has 3

[cobalt pewter]

rogue needs more auric tier stuff

[frozen hornet]

Ye

dracolline when

[sleek wadi]

Also one of those rogue exos is Supernova which is still IIRC so really they just have one

[cobalt pewter]

there are 2 extremes of cal weapons

basic ass shit (Rotor) and dumbass (Atom Splitter)

both drop from the same boss fight

[frail mantle]

Exo summoner is bleeding out in the corner

[distant gyro]

a little bit of trolling

[frozen hornet]

What does dumbass imply

[silver silo]

here at calamity we hate insert your favorite class here

[ashen warren]

We have plasma grenades

(overpowered)

[silver silo]

error: class does not exist

[short dust]

ranger

[keen zealot]

thrower does not exist

try again'

[fossil finch]

Damn i wonder if this is planned already

Its one of the suggs ever though so like it is valid

The last comment kinda eh but idk really

[small timber]

it is just a visual redesign

[frozen hornet]

It'll still act the same but has legs that break off into wings when it's too far off the ground or smth like that

[distant gyro]

it does ram??

pb armor dash has 6+4 iframes

same as ornate shield but less than valor (6+6)

[ripe owl]

join vc2

[distant gyro]

no

not rn

[ripe owl]

Ok

https://youtu.be/Vftn7-KkJvM

[distant gyro]

looks about right

in both cases you get hit by crab

[ripe owl]

Eh well

[distant gyro]

but one you have no kb immunity

valor grants kb immunity

[ripe owl]

But I am not suppose to take damage eh?

Right?

[distant gyro]

both of them you did

you expended all your iframes

[ripe owl]

No way

No fucking way

[distant gyro]

you tried to dash through a large enemy

[ripe owl]

Yeah I do understand that

But uh

[distant gyro]

see 0:31

[ripe owl]

I started ramming into Crab with PBD and

And I was taking damage immediately

What, I expended all my iframes even before hitting the enemy?

[distant gyro]

pb has less iframes and so is ornate shield

in return pb has a greater dash distance

[ripe owl]

Okay let me just rewrite the sugg

[ripe owl]

It doesn't make any fucking sense

It's higher than Valor

In progression I mean

Why should it exchange one to another

If it should be better

???

[small timber]

try to put on kb immunity to see if it still happen?

because crabulon indeed have one of the larger hitbox

even valor do not fully make you immune

[ripe owl]

I am still taking damage

Okay, I rewrote my sugg so instead of "making it ram" it says "giving it more frames"

Because, again, worthless

[small timber]

ya probably will be more appropriate

[distant gyro]

do people actually use ram actively for iframes?

all dashes just seem like a getaway tool

by extension i would rather use a pb dash because it's just better at getting away

not slam your face into a boss

[fossil bronze]

rams are good for worm bosses

it lets you get out of sticky situations by just phasing through them

[distant gyro]

rams are good when they feel like working

nerf all dashes to 4

(the fact that you can almost gain complete immunity through crabulon of all bosses is just like shield of cthulhu levels of broken tbh)

[fossil bronze]

why can't i cheese bosses with ram
smh my head this mod is unbalanced

(/s)

[distant gyro]

can't completely negate contact damage, 0/10 dash is useless

[small timber]

wait what do you mean do people actually using ram for iframe, it is one of its main function

[distant gyro]

yeah

you use all dashes as a means to run away or circle a boss

[small timber]

pbg charge, ravager pillars, lunar cultist dragon (if it spawn), profaned guardian, dog head dodge, polterghast entire fight, old duke the entire fight, yharon entire fight, draedon to ram through thanatos

[distant gyro]

going through a boss is inherently a risk that may or may not be worth taking

relying on it either takes complete mastery or is a complete gamble

[small timber]

I literally use it like, literally all the time as soon as I get valor until the end of the game, and the ram into boss is a useful effect throughout

[distant gyro]

all of the above are easily possible

but how many of them do you intend to

[small timber]

I just listed all of them that I actively use the ram on

[distant gyro]

usually when i aegis dash on yharon for example i just try to get away

[fossil bronze]

i want ram hotkey, no more double tap

[small timber]

you have to remember that you are not always in a position where you can dodge out of the way, sometimes ramming into the boss is safer

[fossil bronze]

then rams will be perfect

[distant gyro]

and if iframes happen to pop, well that's just a bonus

[fossil finch]

Weapons that have m2 functionality:

[distant gyro]

easier to execute and less likely to mess up

[fossil finch]

Also i think they don't need a hotkey

Double tapping is fine

Hotkey is just bloat at that point

[small timber]

ya we already have too many hotkey, + now god slayer dash is a thing

[fossil bronze]

why is god slayer dash it's own hotkey

there is already activate set bonus

and you can only have one set bonus

[cobalt pewter]

hotkey bloat

tm

[distant gyro]

good question

[fossil bronze]

there is also the astral gem/arcanum

[distant gyro]

too bad i dont want to spam the feedback channel

[small timber]

because auric tesla

[fossil bronze]

which are seperate even though arcanum does the same thing but better

[cobalt pewter]

hotkeys need to be reviewed in general

[fossil bronze]

most of the hotkeys are accessory hotkeys

which is unfortunately kind of necessary since you can have multiple accessories equipped with distinct abilities

[distant gyro]

*rogue shit

[cobalt pewter]

rogue needs to be reviewed

[distant gyro]

which should probably be centralized

[cobalt pewter]

clicker accs have their own, centralized hotkeys

[distant gyro]

who is going to use

sand cloak, capacitor, spectral veil, and booster all at once

[cobalt pewter]

all clicker accessories use a single hotkey to go around

[distant gyro]

short answer: psychos

[fossil bronze]

maybe it could be combined into a kind of weapon wheel thing if you have more than one rogue acc

like how the arcanum handles teleports

and if you only have one it directly triggers it

[cobalt pewter]

perhaps I should sugg that, but I'm p sure I already suggested a hotkey bloat related sugg

ages ago

[distant gyro]

true but your old sug kinda cringer

old versions of the mod used to do double down stuff

and everyone hated it

"grr i accidentally elysian guarded"

[fossil bronze]

elysian guard instead of opening the map

"why am i moving so slow"

?
what does ball and chain have to do with elysian guard

elysian guard is the thing that slows you down when you press its hotkey

from elysian ageis

[small timber]

doesn't that suggestion sound.... weird? since you can literally just manually put all of these hotkeys on the same hotkey yourself

I thought your suggestion will be about reducing the amount of hotkey for some of the effects that are not really useful by making them passive instead

[ripe owl]

Yeah but

Uh

Why do you need a lot of hotkeys in the first place?

[stiff wren]

because using every single toggle accessory at once is a normal thing that people do all the time smh my head

[small timber]

because it is not just rogue, sometimes armor set, sometimes accessory

it is messy but I can see why they decide to separete the hotkey, but the main thing is that the player still have the freedom to set their own hotkey

[fossil bronze]

there's only one extra armor set hotkey

the god slayer dash

and that's a set bonus so that hotkey is completely pointless

it should've just used the armor set bonus hotkey in the first place

[eternal escarp]

theres more then 1

Plague Reaper, that 1 mage armor post SW

[small timber]

for ranger I think auric do inherit the bloodflare set

[eternal escarp]

bloodflare

auric as a whole

ranger auric practically has 2 armor set keys

[fossil bronze]

those all use the normal hotkey though

godslayer dash is a seperate one

[small timber]

and that is why they are separted?

what is your point?

[eternal escarp]

yeah they all use the same keybind, same thing the sugg is suggesting

for all the fodder ish accesories you are likely never to use together to use the same keybind

do remember theres keybinds for

[small timber]

ya, and on top of that if you DO want to use them altogether, it can simply be set to the same key

I do it with adrenaline and rage

so I don't really see the point of the suggestion, since, you know, you can simply set it yourself

[eternal escarp]

rage, adren, shield buff, quick heal, hook, mount, NR...

theres a lot of keybinds in calamity

[eternal escarp]

theres one exception where theyd prolly clash (being Veil and Booster) byeah

[fossil bronze]

ah, god slayer dash is seperate because of auric jank

auric melee has 2 set bonuses

that are manually triggeredd

auric armor is well designed and not stupid at all

[small timber]

I set veil to normality relocator hotkey (since they are functionally identifcal except 10 vs 15 cd), so it really is not a problem

unless booster is the same hotkey as NR

[eternal escarp]

normally its not iirc

[small timber]

I think a better suggestion would just "make all cooldown automatically go off cooldown when starting a bossfight"

it is hard to judge whether a projectile "deal enough damage to worthy for a dodge", there is simply no basis of judgement, is 50 a lot? 200? 500?

[eternal escarp]

it also matter at the point of progression

if it would be 200, dodges early on would be futile

[cobalt pewter]

why not just

have the damage of the projectile dodged affect the cooldown of the dodge

instead of limiting dodges to that damage minimum

[small timber]

it will probably make it very confusing, considering some accessory have longer cd

[cobalt pewter]

take for a rough example, Eclipse Mirror is intended to dodge attacks worth 500 damage with 90s cooldown.

If you dodged an attack that deals something like 200 damage (40% the intended damage), the cooldown will be set to 40% of 90 = 36s

[small timber]

and I think the purpose of the cd is to make player not able to rely on dodge, so making it have lower cd kind of go against what it meant to do

[cobalt pewter]

the already proposed suggestion already tries to make it more confusing

so I'm just going all in

[cobalt pewter]

but yes

[spare prawn]

İ remember that in GP's hitless boss rush video he "dodged" an attack, except what he dodged was the DoG while.it was invisible and doing no damage

[deft yew]

to where i had to bind exo chair slowdown to right click

[exotic stag]

(mine is right shift and right alt)

[deft yew]

idk how you get your fingers over there while fighting scal or whatever

[eternal escarp]

left shift left alt for me, byea

[austere cargo]

minor suggestion, but the astral arcanum teleporting me to the dungeon point has a tendency to accidentally start the lunatic cultist fight. Could it maybe teleport you on top of the dungeon instead?

[languid quartz]

that seems fine to me

[austere cargo]

I suppose since some people destroy the dungeon entrance, it could be "teleport to a platform at most X units above the dungeon point if any, otherwise teleport to the dungeon point"

[exotic stag]

or just make it teleport like inside that middle room in the dungeon y'know

the one with the walls n crap but not down thru the platform

that way you dont spawn near LC and you'll spawn not inside the dungeon

[ashen warren]

im suprised there isnt an item to disable the cultist spawns

ik you can just dig up the floor but it would be nice to be able to without messing that up

[blazing imp]

you can place blocks in front of the sigil and they wont spawn iirc

[ashen warren]

again id rather not deface my dungeon lol

[sharp trout]

I get you lol

if it was 1.4 you could place echo blocks

but then again it isn't

[blazing imp]

i havent tested if it works with actuated blocks yet

probably not

[sharp trout]

Actuated blocks are still visible though

Oh wait that could work

Replacing the walls with actuated dungeon bricks right

[blazing imp]

yea

[sharp trout]

i think it would work

Because game code may see it as obstruction

[grim tusk]

I personally don’t agree that giving tracer’s hover (specially seraph) would be a good idea, i’d just rather buff their movement speed so that its comparable to having harpy ring and the boots on

The flight time on em its fine and doesn’t need a buff

[blazing imp]

only 2 post ml wings have hover (vortex and nebula) and it would give a different option for bosses like yharon where silva wings are always better, though im not really sure how good hovers are (because theres only 5 wings in the game that hover)

[hollow shell]

@blazing imp "which makes the tracers line far inferior to having regular wings"
Isn't that the point?

"Because of the new movement speed change, you're able to obtain tracer like speed on the ground while using regular wings"
This is the problem that I think should be resolved.

[blazing imp]

aren't they supposed to be sidegrades from wings, which focus on horizontal mobility rather than vertical?

[hollow shell]

Tracers should not have unique functionality like a hover because they are intended to be the generalist middle-ground option to balance out you using only one accessory slot as opposed to two for wings and a boot

[grim tusk]

Havent tested post-nerf hovers but
Shroomite wasnt changed so its still as eh
Besty wings may be balanced vs ML now and give room for Hadarian mantle
Hadarian mantle was buffed i think
Vortex and Nebula got nerfed cuz outrunning Providence is

[blazing imp]

but the "boot" part isn't very good now due to the speed changes

[hollow shell]

Indeed

So the suggestion should ideally be to boost their running speed

Well, imo I suppose

[grim tusk]

Yea they need that 10% movespeed from harpy ring back

[small timber]

I mean you are still sacrificing enchantment for the speed no?

[grim tusk]

On top of what they give already

[small timber]

And I dont feel like MS is that necessary post-ML outside of Malice

(or no hit)

[grim tusk]

Movespeed is kinda busted lmao

But yea going more than 2 quick outside of malice is fucking overkill

[small timber]

At least I never feel in need of MS post-ML

[grim tusk]

Heck even on later infernum bosses its preferable to spec on warding rather than speed (community gives the speed anyways, did Piky ask for it to get nerfed on dev?)

[small timber]

Then I will just ask a question: how close is the on ground movement with no quick compare to tracers?

Because from personal experience it is not close at all, rather it is just the fact that you rarely stay on ground post-ML so the wing horizontal speed play much more of a role there

[blazing imp]

i feel having a hover would be more interesting, because accessories like the community and quick reforges already give enough movement speed

[grim tusk]

Tracers is slightly faster

[grim tusk]

And this

[umbral dew]

i feel like wings should have progressivly stronger turn speed instead of coming to a halt when turning left or right

[exotic stag]

thats momentum for you

thats just like if your irl if you do a 180 while full sprinting you dont just turn around instantly

[rose latch]

instant turning is horrible

I think it was soul of the universe in Fargo's that gives that
the turning is so jarring

[torn crown]

Tbf the guy didn't call for instant turning

It was simply for better horizonal movement control

[rose latch]

yeah but if it gets too responsive it is a problem

I think what it is now is perfectly fine

plus there are dashes

[torn crown]

The extra control could make for a good alternative for dashing

Currently, you either have to hook to the opposite direction or simply regain your momentum

[cobalt pewter]

why are we buffing tracers

[small timber]

(from personal experience) now wings are generally better than tracers for most bosses except maybe dog (no need high flight time for dog). Tracers simply get outclassed because of much lower flight time

Does this mean we should buff a 2 in 1 accessory? Not sure, just following the suggestion, I can see the point

[deft yew]

i find tracers better if i need a LOT of speed like for provi and dodging polter charges

[small timber]

It is hard too, too much speed in provi make it hard to dodge, for polter you are limited by dungeon arena

[lusty iris]

Tracers suck rn

[crude geode]

Tracers are barely a “2 in 1” accessory anymore since movement speed is actively possible without boots

[lusty iris]

Elysian wings :)

[small timber]

I am fine with buffing it in someway, just not massively boosted horizontal speed (because that is what hovering do)

It will just make it post-ML sandstorm jump

[lusty iris]

The built in movement speed boost from Elysian wings making it near tracers speed with absolutely no investment

[exotic stag]

(disagree with new sugg. keep them i feel like it suits them)

(they are "a profaned guardian" each. not the only profaned guardians)

[gray nebula]

Infernon from (thing)

[small timber]

A profaned guardian rework is planned, we have no information if they will even be 3 guardians anymore, hold off the suggestion for now

[gray nebula]

give them randomized names

[exotic stag]

big ball sun

[fossil bronze]

chicken nugged god

[cobalt pewter]

the specific names isn't needed

just say that their names can relate to their intended functions

[exotic stag]

big rocc healer

[cobalt pewter]

big if true

[exotic stag]

big attacc

[small timber]

@mortal vigil

If you want a solid prove around Item 586 of Draedon update changelog, cant link on mobile

[hollow shell]

Reasoning is a bit weak on this one

[ashen warren]

what reasoning

[hollow shell]

It'd do well for you to enforce CI's equivalence / superiority to Ichor in the sugg
And probably explain why it needs to be an upgrade rather than adding a separate Cursed Inferno classless gun

@ripe owl

I'd also argue that all classes do have access to a CI-inflicting weapon but the same can be said for Ichor too, so

[ripe owl]

I can't say it's superior, I just want to say it's good

[ripe owl]

Well eh

Some weapons suck

Also I am bad with wording

I don't know what thoughts I want to put into the text therefore I fail

Fuck it

[hollow shell]

Ok

[crude geode]

is there plans for a night's edge equivalent for rogue? i.e. something like night's ray, lunarian bow, flesh of infidelity

[hollow shell]

afaik no there are no plans

We have Terra Disk of course but no Night's

[crude geode]

there's already a dungeon drop for it, shinobi blade

plus terra weapons are almost unanimously crafted out of night's edge + something else (though summoner uses deepsea staff which is kinda )

[gray nebula]

j-j-j-j-j--j-jANDED

!

❗

[cobalt pewter]

wh

[gray nebula]

idk it feels a bit janded to want to like uh

mhh

formula-ize night edge stuff

itll be the same in 1.4 when everyone will want (class) zenith

and then it looses its uniqueness

[hollow shell]

to be fair

[gray nebula]

no i mean no i mean definitely calamity already does this a lot im not that big a fan of enforcing it further

[hollow shell]

we add Night's Stabber, Eye of Night/Flesh of Infidelity, Lunarian Bow, Night's Ray/Carnage Ray

myeah

[sleek wadi]

We already got 4 or so more night's edge weapons so at this point we no longer have reason to leave rogue out beyond just not giving it the time of day

[cobalt pewter]

blame cal for adding those

just remove the weapons!!!!!!!

(real)

[crude geode]

flesh of infidelity/eye of night being added in the most recent update doesn't really give a good excuse yeah

outside of just not doing it

[gray nebula]

the reason is : rogue suk

hate this class

(fake

[crude geode]

TRUEEEEEE

[cobalt pewter]

fuk you

[gray nebula]

i love you rogue and the broken flamsteed + stealth combo

[cobalt pewter]

(just don't have a broken dedicated item smh)

[crude geode]

cal devs dedicated item not being op challenge (impossible)

[cobalt pewter]

the mech can have an option to disable stealth when active, but noooooooooooo lets blame stealth

[cobalt pewter]

factual

[gray nebula]

Its meant to be op its a giant robot of doom

:/

[crude geode]

angelic alliance dealing a healthy 1 million dps for some fucking reason

[gray nebula]

for chippy video title purposes

[crude geode]

true

[cobalt pewter]

zamn

[crude geode]

what would be funny is if it was two weapons like mage/summoner, but one could only stealth strike and one could only spam attack

[cobalt pewter]

damn

[exotic stag]

buff chippy

[grim tusk]

Red sun

[silver silo]

@viral forge already an option in settings to do that 👍

[viral forge]

WAIT WHERE

[carmine lantern]

Mod config

first off, disable the option that locks the rage bars movement

then you can move it around with the mouse

Or with the sliders in the config

[crude geode]

@cobalt laurel Bringing back old sprites is a don’t

[cobalt laurel]

Oh…

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[cobalt laurel]

Cyclone?

Ah autocorrect sorry

I didn’t know the old Calamitas was getting a resprite

Dang…

I liked the old one…

😶‍🌫️

[silver silo]

@hollow shell is the dedicatee for still around?

[hollow shell]

Triactis? No I don't think so. Lemme check tho

Okay well technically they are but (because of unknown circumstances) in effect they are no longer still around

[silver silo]

hm I see

considered suggesting also function as an endgame hammer like the crystl crusher, but dedicated items are unusual for that sort of thing right (and I'm unsure how practical it would be to implement)

[cobalt pewter]

one swing and your entire house loses their walls

[silver silo]

hey what if I want that

[hollow shell]

That'd prolly be a valid sugg

Maybe uhh
awkward, in practice

but, yeah

[hollow idol]

buff Grax to dev tier I think, its already dedicated

[silver silo]

^or this

I know right click items are a little sus so I dont know if actually letting be used as a regular hammer via right click is actually possible anyway

[hollow idol]

def possible

[hollow shell]

Flamebeak Hampick, right?

er

[ashen warren]

Ancient eye

[hollow shell]

Whatever it is now

[ashen warren]

Summons the old scal

Ok bad joke

[hollow shell]

No boo we already have a pet item for that

[cobalt pewter]

for a standard axe function, shouldn't be an issue

right click is mainly an issue when it's charged

(like crystyl crusher's beam)

[silver silo]

I see

makes sense

[silver silo]

we do a little stealing for our suggestion 🤏

[small timber]

having hammer function on a weapon might not be the brightest idea, considering it is not just wall

it can also accidently hammer your platforms or blocks anywhere

if it is axe it is fine, but it is a hammer

[silver silo]

just dont right click

but yeah honestly buffing Grax sounds like the ''better'' option

[small timber]

it can be a bit different from grax, grax is mainly a tool that have a weapon function, tractic is a weapon now suggested to also have a tool function

the suggestion is definitely valid, but ya, buffing grax is probably better without potential of messing things up

I mean what does hammer speed actually do at late game anyway, they can just buff grax hammer speed to dev tier and it will not matter (unless you are smahing a lot of walls for some reason)

[silver silo]

I mean...large scale build or world demolition

[small timber]

then even better, just buff it, if it is only use for building, it has no boss fight implication

[silver silo]

whichever the devs prefer ig

[distant gyro]

when none of the devs exist anymore

would be funny to just

throw the hammer and have it rip everything

[silver silo]

could you fucking imagine if triactis had hammer functionality on its regular attack

[languid quartz]

god

background walls evaporate

[cobalt pewter]

unironically I want a tool like that

[distant gyro]

photon ripper hammer edition

[silver silo]

photon jackhammer

[cobalt pewter]

Photon Smasher 😳

[frozen hornet]

Wave pounder with hammer function

[silver silo]

poor chlorophyte jackhammer, the only jackhammer in the game

[languid quartz]

[half sage]

the suggestion is to remove border tornadoes and make it a jungle enrage

aka time for noshitters to make a world sized arena with jungle fountains

I think so

GP's arena vid had him spawn yharon in space with a lizard brick area

[ashen warren]

Yharon is a bullet hell type of boss

[half sage]

yea no thanks

tho if this were to happen for some reason fargo fountains my beloved

[ashen warren]

That is why arena is limited

[half sage]

[ashen warren]

Ye

You can just run from bullet hells

Yes

Yharon is a touhou boss

[half sage]

also classic ding dog ditch sugg

[ashen warren]

My angelic alliance suggestion

[crude geode]

Happens a lot less recently ngl

[ashen warren]

Damn i kinda agree with nathyn

[crude geode]

I think it’s kinda annoying ngl

[gentle fog]

another option would be to keep the current recipes for consumable summons and use more expensive ones for non-consumable summons but idk if that's a good idea

[crude geode]

That sounds extremely annoying

[silver silo]

Calamity fans asking for qol to be reverted so they can install 50 qol mods to do the same thing anyway

[sleek wadi]

Having 2 versions of the same summon item doesn't go well

[distant gyro]

simply emulate the experience by trashing the summon after every use

[crude geode]

^

[sleek wadi]

One will completely overshadow the other. See old Profaned Core and Golem's 2 seperate power cells

[rose latch]

or delete extra resources when crafting summons to make them more expensive

[distant gyro]

if it's less convenient then that's what you're asking for

[silver silo]

Calamity fans be like grinding fun but having to mine veins without veinminer bad

[crude geode]

Calamity QoL fans: who likes doing the same thing over and over again?
Calamity Difficulty fans: oh boy hardest ever but slightly more difficult!

[gentle fog]

yeah the separate summons idea is kinda bad lol

it just seems a little odd to only need two stormlion mandibles for example to craft an unlimited boss summon

although the polterghast summon recipe is way too much imo

[distant gyro]

endgame boss summons had an easy summon for a pretty long time

[gentle fog]

yeah draedon comes to mind, that summon takes quite some effort

[distant gyro]

yharon's summon is just some filler alloys you should have already and 1 folly kill

and it's nonconsumable with that recipe for as long as most people know the mod

[crude geode]

I think it’s a good anti frustration measure ngl

[gentle fog]

so I'm thinking the recipes would be more elaborate rather than just more bloated (for example desert medallion could use seashells as well)

[crude geode]

Draedon (and a chunk of calamity’s bosses) are exceptions to generic boss summon rather than the rule

[gentle fog]

fair fair

[crude geode]

And I’d rather have all bosses be given more unique summons before more complexity in crafting!!! is realistically needed

[gentle fog]

I mean desert scourge should never need five layers of crafting to summon lol

[small timber]

force arena is a good thing becaues instead of the abomination of draedon world size arena we get to actually fight the boss

[distant gyro]

usually nonconsumables are like 1.5x more expensive than they're originally intended to

which follows along with most boss summons

[gentle fog]

unique summon methods would be great actually, idk why I didn't really think about that

[crude geode]

it’s been brought up b4 in voting byeah it’s good

[distant gyro]

including polter which at its base takes 30 phantom spirit kills, summoning item using 50

[crude geode]

I will say that SCal’s fucking altar should be 5 tiles and not fucking 4

[gentle fog]

although the sheer amount of bosses would make that a bit more difficult to make one for every boss

[gentle fog]

again even with its base summon polter stands out to me as being way too grindy

the problem with unique summon methods also would be the renewability of it

yes you can summon plantera infinite times by breaking bulbs, which is a unique enough method, but then you have to hunt them down and it ends up being better to just use a generic boss summon item

[small timber]

if you are already considering the current version of summon too grindy, why are you suggesting to increase the cost?

that is literally the point of the current version of summon: to reduce the grind

[gentle fog]

polter is an exception

[small timber]

what makes you think polter should be the exception?

[gentle fog]

it's significantly more grindy than other summons

[small timber]

what basis of judgement do you use to make it exception?

[gentle fog]

no it shouldn't be an exception, but it currently is

[small timber]

then isn't your suggestion should be "reduce how grindy polter summon is" instead of what is suggesting?

because the two point contradicts, it seems you think polter is too grindy so you want everything to be as grindy as polter

[gentle fog]

no, it's "increase cost of most boss summons"

you misunderstand

most summons are too cheap imo, but polter is too expensive imo

polter just happens to not apply to my suggestion

[rose latch]

polter is fine

[gentle fog]

reducing its cost would be an entirely different suggestion

[small timber]

the point of boss summon is to summon the boss, the effort should be put into beating the boss not getting access to the boss

[gentle fog]

now that is a valid opinion

[rose latch]

Zerg plus 1 wave pounder gets you like half the materials

[gentle fog]

but personally I believe summoning the boss should require more involvement, after all you do need to beat the previous boss in progression, so there is already an element of difficulty in obtaining boss summons

[small timber]

I think there will be better way to implement that than just board-wise increase of summon cost, for example like you said, unique summon method (like altar)

[gentle fog]

I should clarify that my suggestion is very much subjective

[small timber]

and some are already planned, the devs seems to be interested in unique summoning method now

[rose latch]

polterghast doesn't need you to beat the previous boss at all though

[crude geode]

subjective suggestions moment

[gentle fog]

you need to beat whatever boss is needed to start spawning phantom spirits

[small timber]

because involvement should not be depending on the time spent, but what you do and experience to summon the boss

[gentle fog]

I figure that's the point of this channel and the voting system lol

[rose latch]

moonlord is way earlier in progression though

[small timber]

the difference of increasing cost is only whether you spend 5 minutes or 15 minutes to get the material for boss summon

[rose latch]

the difference is how many people cheat it in

[gentle fog]

one thing that puts me off a bit about the current system is the chain from guardians to DoG where there isn't really much you need to do to get to the next boss

each boss practically drops the summon for the next one

[small timber]

I heard the devs have some plans on that, at the very least some sort of post-DoG event (that is not moons)

[rose latch]

moons

[small timber]

so we simply wait for their implementation and judge

[rose latch]

post dog event

[gentle fog]

fair enough, I don't know much about the team's plans for the future

[rose latch]

daily reminder that old duke summons are available pre hardmode