suggestions-discussion

[astral yoke]

isn’t that a chance to dodge

[grim tusk]

Nope

[crude geode]

All chances are now guaranteed

[grim tusk]

Dodges got reworked on 1.5

[astral yoke]

bruh

[hollow shell]

All chance dodges got changed to cooldowns

[crude geode]

but isn’t the cooldown on void sash like a fucking minute

[grim tusk]

And reflectors work like dodges now

[hollow shell]

Worse. 90 seconds.

[astral yoke]

oh a full ass minute?

nah

[grim tusk]

Yea may be too excessive but point still stands

[hollow shell]

But it's guaranteed

[astral yoke]

i’m staying with my 15 seconds

nevermind

[grim tusk]

Aint that just reflects and mirrors? Pretty sure black belt line is 60

[earnest raptor]

It also has no indicator

[astral yoke]

i’d rather have the evasion scarf than wait a minute and a half

[earnest raptor]

[crude geode]

Fucking knew dodge shit would be awful with the like minute+ cooldown

[earnest raptor]

Skill issue

[astral yoke]

evasion scarf the goat

[earnest raptor]

This whole mod tells you than you are skill issue

[grim tusk]

Yea maybe they could be halved (maybe except mirrors lol)

[small timber]

I think the idea is just for the player to not be able to rely on it, but they put evasion scarf in the game

[astral yoke]

i will be mourning the loss of silva armor then if it’s never coming back

this is so sad

[earnest raptor]

I guess the excuse for scarfs cooldowns being not 60 seconds is than you actually need to mess up to trigger it

[grim tusk]

Probably

[astral yoke]

the rod of discord is also in the game though

and that’s like

WAYYYY better

[small timber]

rod of discord is vanilla thing

[crude geode]

Rod is op

[astral yoke]

yeah but it still applies

[crude geode]

Devs: nobody uses void sash
Devs: let’s give it’s dodge a guarantee with a cooldown
Devs: literally a minute sounds when you can activate shield 60 times in that time frame sounds good

[earnest raptor]

Fabsol is tired of fighting with RoD faction

[small timber]

and they need to make a VERY hard argument to remove it

[astral yoke]

oh no i don’t want the rod of discord removed

no way

i’d like

never play terraria again

[small timber]

death mode is definitely doable without rod

[astral yoke]

not actually but like

that would suck

[small timber]

malice, not so much

[hollow shell]

Mod is indeed balanced around RoD not existing

[grim tusk]

Defiled even, rarely used RoD on my nohits

[hollow shell]

Fab never wants RoD to be a requirement

[small timber]

ya I never attempted defile, surprise that it still works without rod

though talking about RoD, to put it simply god slayer dash is a second RoD

with less control but also less chance to mess up

[grim tusk]

And i f r a m e s

[astral yoke]

less chance to mess up?

[astral yoke]

i don’t think it’s that hard

[small timber]

because you gain iframe along the entire dash

[astral yoke]

or at least i’ve never done it

messed up with rod i mean

[small timber]

so you literally can't die (unless armageddon or something)

[grim tusk]

Final dawn is GS dash but better (please fucking nerf it)

[astral yoke]

well you’re usually getting away from the boss when you use rod so you’re not even gonna be super close to where messing up is that big of an issue

[crude geode]

It’s hard not to mess up but you can do it by teleporting into bullets, but something something skill issue something

[astral yoke]

yes skill issue indeed

[small timber]

I will just use yharon as example, with rod you might teleport and still get hit by bullets, god slayer dash you dash to the middle of the bullet hell and you dodge everything

[earnest raptor]

Then you die

[astral yoke]

because it’s yharon

lol

[small timber]

I mean you just wait for the bullet hell to actually finish

[astral yoke]

getting close to yharon?

nah

no way

[earnest raptor]

Then why even need dash if you don't have skill issue?

[small timber]

we are comparing god slayer dash, who else do we compare it to, only scal and draedon if not yharon

[grim tusk]

Just chain GS dash and final dawn vs Exos

[grim tusk]

Very possible

[earnest raptor]

Final dawn is rogue weapon

[astral yoke]

true but like

i would rather

not

do that

[small timber]

the middle of the yharon tornado is the safest place of the arena

[earnest raptor]

Which is undesirable for purists

[small timber]

because every other place is convered with random flying fire balls

[crude geode]

It may not be required but it sure as hell is extremely encouraged with some of the laser beam attacks in this game

[grim tusk]

Well too bad sub6 and 7 exist

[earnest raptor]

Remove them

[grim tusk]

Ohio

[earnest raptor]

Why yharon has phases that last 20 seconds anyway

[small timber]

remove will be malice drop², I think just massively nerf CD will do, since dodge accessories are now 90 seconds average and they are comparable

[astral yoke]

so the only armor after yharon is auric

[earnest raptor]

Yep

[astral yoke]

did they remove anything from auric aswell or

[earnest raptor]

It might be not post-yharon in next updates tho

[small timber]

melee ranger rogue no longer has revive on auric

[astral yoke]

ew what

no keep it that way tf

[small timber]

mage summoner lose 1 revive (the old god slayer revive)

[astral yoke]

what are with these whacky ass changes dear god

[grim tusk]

Pretty sure Auric will be the post-Yharon set and that will not change

[astral yoke]

yeah i noticed

so now i just go with demonshade

[astral yoke]

good

[grim tusk]

Then after Scal and Draedon you go Exo, Auric or Shade

Then whatever armor Yharim unlocks (if he unlocks any)

[astral yoke]

i wonder

[half sage]

auric will post yharon and exo/dshade will be post draedon/scal

[hollow shell]

Wait what are you talking about? Auric?

[astral yoke]

when are they gonna add yharim as an actually fightable boss

[half sage]

instead of dshade being a shadowspec set

[astral yoke]

yes

[small timber]

soon™

[half sage]

20 years

[grim tusk]

1.7 at least, maybe 1.8, perhaps 1.9….

[half sage]

[hollow shell]

I've never heard any plans to make Auric Tesla be not post-Yharon

[cobalt pewter]

he's in the right for that yes, RoD is borderline busted, and NR is the hellspawn birthed from RoD

[granite sphinx]

i love how everyone here is talking about armor and tiers and all that and im just here thinking "hmm, do i want to use musket balls or god-slayer slugs"

[astral yoke]

3,000,000 years later

[granite sphinx]

ranger best class fight me scrubs

[small timber]

it will also be balance nightmare and super pointless, it has the dedicated tier in progression so why move it instead of just make a new armor

[half sage]

and they can't nuke NR because donator item

[crude geode]

Go back to #calamity-mod-talk please

[astral yoke]

oh my god me when i realize why silva melee set is gone

[earnest raptor]

I mean, I would expect that

[astral yoke]

it gets no revive anymore

[granite sphinx]

this entire conversation could be held there

[astral yoke]

even if it

did still exist

i’m cryin

[earnest raptor]

Just murder the donator

[hollow shell]

btw Nebulous Core exists

[crude geode]

Tangents exist yes.

[hollow shell]

I dunno if that got brought up yet

[grim tusk]

Yes it was

[crude geode]

It did iirc

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512925739486674954/923667962571923456/How_to_BR_BoC.mp4 can ranger do this tho?

[small timber]

they can nuke NR balance wise, just not item recipe, I think donator have no control it NR suddenly have 60s cooldown

[astral yoke]

yeah ik

wasn’t it built into the godslayer set before?

[earnest raptor]

Then rod of disaster needs to have 60 s as well

[astral yoke]

why was that changed aswell?

[grim tusk]

I dont know why they havent done this

[hollow shell]

Yes, Nebulous Core got the old God Slayer revive

[crude geode]

People would whine a shit ton

[granite sphinx]

rogue is op and im pretty sure everyone knows that

[hollow shell]

Nebulous Core's previous revive function was garbage because it was random chance

[small timber]

the only thing I will call ranger is "consistent" (they dont really have weak point in progression), best? nah, and I am a ranger cuck

[hollow shell]

Now it's cooldown

[earnest raptor]

Who cares

We have malice

[astral yoke]

damage increase tho

[earnest raptor]

We have exos

[astral yoke]

👀

[earnest raptor]

A major sources of crying about new clamjty

[hollow shell]

It still has that damage increase.

[astral yoke]

ik

[granite sphinx]

man i sure hope that bullet that just hit you from the Tyranny's End didnt instantly delete you

[astral yoke]

i was saying before this update it still had the damage increase

[grim tusk]

We have [insert that overused unfunny joke about stacking difficulties]

[astral yoke]

and damage increases are nice regardless

[earnest raptor]

But they will be not majorly changed

[granite sphinx]

sniper rifle line got buffed and oh boy is it super fun

[hollow shell]

Anyway this is a really long fucking conversation
TM06, do you have any plans to edit or rewrite your suggestion?

[granite sphinx]

love knocking out 10% of a boss' hp in a single hit

[silver silo]

rover was it ever stated if shadowspec will still be used for demonshade after it gets the helmet split

[earnest raptor]

Tl;dr: Calamity doesn't care about your feelings t

[astral yoke]

not really because i was already told it’s never coming back

[grim tusk]

It isnt used anymore

[astral yoke]

you can delete it if you want

[hollow shell]

Demonshade will be post-SCal, pre-Shadowspec

[small timber]

or you can delete it yourself

[hollow shell]

Shadowspec will only make dev weapons

[silver silo]

right right

and it'll be on par with exo armor yes

[hollow shell]

Yes.

[silver silo]

cool cool

[granite sphinx]

yeah, demonshade is getting the Silva treatment, and Draedon is gonna drop materials to make a melee/ranger/rogue set

[astral yoke]

wait

exo armor???

sheesh???

[grim tusk]

Actually why do ashes of oblivion only make armor atm, is there any plans to add more stuff?

[astral yoke]

i like the sound of this

[hollow shell]

post-Draedon armor mhm

[astral yoke]

that’s cool

i like that

[hollow shell]

You can make a suggestion regarding God Slayer melee being underpowered if you still feel that way

[silver silo]

lets be honest using post yharon armor post draedon is kinda shite so

exo me up

[grim tusk]

Objection
Demonshade will get split into
Melee, Ranged/Rogue and Mage/Summoner
Exo will be all-class tank armor not reliant on revives

[astral yoke]

kind of, i liked the buff of the nebulous core being built into the old godslayer set

[small timber]

I think you can just change your suggestion to buff god slayers stats to match silva

[silver silo]

huh??? I thought demonshade would be just mage and summoner

[small timber]

if you want an alternative so at the very least to you, stat-wise, god slayer is not inferior to silva

[granite sphinx]

Demonshade vs Auric Tesla is still an ongoing debate, considering the wide variety of bonuses Auric gives

[astral yoke]

but then the nebulous core would become meh again

so a new function is needed

[silver silo]

well at the moment yeah

[hollow shell]

Demonshade and Exo will both be all-class yeah

[crude geode]

Cringe

[hollow shell]

Demonshade with multiple helmets, Exo with one helmet

[astral yoke]

one i don’t know

but that’s a good idea i think

[silver silo]

that just sounds like exo will take the place of what demonshade is now lol

[astral yoke]

maybe just stat increases would be nice

[grim tusk]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rrm84T19rwV5ws3L59FzHt6uzKQGM49Zdrj2OvMj38I/edit?usp=sharing the 1.5.0.1 faq (the one in Drae talk)

[astral yoke]

to match silvas

[granite sphinx]

id love to debate that except im pretty sure you can check #changelogs before Draedon dropped and theres a change that says thats whats going to happen

[astral yoke]

or maybe like a 5%-7% increase to damage as a set bonus

to be able to match silva

[silver silo]

my only gripe about all class gear is its obviously usually weaker than class specific stuff to compensate

and you end up with stats you dont need for your class

[earnest raptor]

I think nebulous core give +10% damage

[small timber]

ya if you feel like it just change your suggestion to that, it is definitely valid

[grim tusk]

That was on #mod-announcements

[granite sphinx]

kinda the point

[astral yoke]

talking to me?

[granite sphinx]

well it was somewhere

[crude geode]

summoner every time they get crit chance: oh boy, this is worthless

[small timber]

@astral yoke yes

[astral yoke]

alr

[grim tusk]

#mod-announcements message

[earnest raptor]

That's just a minimaxing mindset echraria community has

[astral yoke]

i’ll see what i can come up with then

it probably won’t be taken but wouldn’t hurt to try

[silver silo]

when you play on death/malice mode do you really have the luxury of not minmaxing

[grim tusk]

Well im going to sleep
Gn

[small timber]

just know that reverting the revive is very unlikely to happen, but stat buff is definitely a valid suggestion

[granite sphinx]

if you like dying, yeah you have the luxury

[earnest raptor]

Death and Malice are not supposed to be treated seriously?

[silver silo]

🤨

[granite sphinx]

half true

[small timber]

I go in Death expecting difficult but balanced, I go in Malice with 0 expectation that it is balanced in any way possible (just beatable)

[granite sphinx]

death finally got its own thing i think in rust and dust, and malice is just pain but with bosses

since defiled wasnt that good if we're being honest

[crude geode]

Death is barely hanging onto being “unique”

ngl

[granite sphinx]

at least it isnt rev but with more hp

[small timber]

it is enough of a difficulty curve to separate it from Rev, but in terms of uniqueness, not so much (except env effect)

[granite sphinx]

also can we talk about how fucking tanky some of these bosses are?

[astral yoke]

i don’t like how a lot of revengaence drops are locked behind malice now because malice is actually just supposed to be unfair

or at least

it feels that way

[granite sphinx]

i had to fight calamitas before Skeletron Prime cause he had that much tank

[granite sphinx]

its less supposed to be unfair, and moreso not checked for fairness

[small timber]

most of them are just better weapon for malice (as malice are, well, harder), the only exception ones are counter scarf (you can just beat malice EoC after normal EoC), community (just nuke it post-ML) and not so much others

[granite sphinx]

you dont go into night provi and expect "oh yeah im gonna be able to do everything perfectly"

not how calamity works

[earnest raptor]

Which is unfair in hindsight

[astral yoke]

i dislike the counter scarf being changed but eye isn’t that bad

[crude geode]

Malice has been discussed as just being stupid ngl

[astral yoke]

gaels greatsword being locked behind malice scal though…

that, i will never understand.

[crude geode]

Dedicated shit is dumb

[granite sphinx]

i think theres a very fair point to be made, and its that higher difficulties in calamity are going to exist regardless of if you want it or not

[small timber]

Malice is definitely not perfect, but I don't really have a problem with Malice drop either, considering it is made very clear that they are not necessary to be obtained on tier

[astral yoke]

it’s unnecessary

death was fine

honestly

[granite sphinx]

so it being put behind an optional mode is generally a good compromise

[astral yoke]

i don’t see the need to add more

[granite sphinx]

thats because you dont play at that high of a level

[astral yoke]

i guess so

[granite sphinx]

Calamity Infernum exists and has an audience for a reason

[crude geode]

Welcome to Calamity, where half the people are masochists who enjoy this shit

[silver silo]

maybe death will be given those master mode pets and trophies when the time comes

[small timber]

I will not even call Infernum a "harder death mode", they alter the bosses so much that it distinct too much from death mode

[astral yoke]

i understand that

and i understand not playing at that high of a level

but what i don’t like is the revengaence drops being taken and put into malice

[earnest raptor]

Meta thought: it's scary how easily developers can just refuse to improve upon gameplay elements because they said than gameplay element is good and doesn't need to change.

[astral yoke]

at that point just make a better weapon/accessory for malice

[granite sphinx]

would you rather get nothing for beating a malice boss?

[astral yoke]

no i’d rather get something unique

that isn’t from a previously less difficult mode

[granite sphinx]

you specifically are getting something unique

[astral yoke]

.

[crude geode]

I’d call it insert “game mode” with higher difficulty AI because Johnny with 3 no hitter roles is getting bored and wants something in calamity instead of playing a real game like touhou

[small timber]

malice was originally just intended to be a "enrage all boss" mode, but only after that did they kind of make it a harder death mode

so whether or not they want to change from "harder death mode" to just an enrage mechanic depends on the devs

[granite sphinx]

most of those drops werent behind any mode and were just stupidly rare to get

[earnest raptor]

Stop mentioning touhou as difficult or bullet hell games, I am tired of it, look up for something more serious

[small timber]

when I see they use the word "enraged" I know it is not gonna be perfect in any way

[granite sphinx]

fargo's souls

[crude geode]

Nah

[astral yoke]

so like just the community and cosmic discharge it feels like

[earnest raptor]

There is other difficult games that are actually decent

[astral yoke]

those are annoying to get

what they could have done was make them rare in revengaence and made them 100% in malice

that seems like a decent enough middle ground

[crude geode]

Anyways since this is extremely off topic and away from any suggestions I’ll be the stupid one and say we should probably stop

[small timber]

I think the devs just try too hard to make Malice sounds balanced, an extremely simple solution is not make it a mode and just say "yah this shit is not balanced good luck"

[silver silo]

shattered community my beloved

[granite sphinx]

how much cosmilite do you think DoG should drop?

cause i suggested 60-70

[small timber]

at least 70, so you can craft anvil + full armor set

[crude geode]

You’re asking the wrong person

[silver silo]

personally I would make the suggestion for DoG to drop pieces of his armor that you melt into the bars, as a middle ground between the two

but they're already planning to make cosmilite ore so

[granite sphinx]

thats just extra steps on a process that has already been refined with other bosses

[granite sphinx]

where have they said that because i need to look at it

[small timber]

full armor set is around 55, + 10 from cosmic anvil

so unless you get 70 you can never craft full armor on first kill

[granite sphinx]

yeah, why i suggested 60-70

[small timber]

ya, I mean is at least 70+

[crude geode]

Could also add 10

[small timber]

since 60 have a chance to just lack 1-5 for full armor

[crude geode]

So you could craft a weapon or two

[granite sphinx]

maybe 65-75

[small timber]

ya very least 65

[granite sphinx]

thats the anvil and the armor, or a bunch of weapons and accessories

god, you need so much fucking cosmilite

[small timber]

how the player should use the bars depend on them, but it should drop enough for the most obvious option (armor upgrade)

and the extra just depend on how player use it (weapons, accs and such)

[earnest raptor]

77

Exactly that

[granite sphinx]

like you actually need at least 120 for a regular playthrough, and well over 300 for completionist purposes

[granite sphinx]

why 77?

[earnest raptor]

Because memes and Apotheosis

[silver silo]

unfortunately they said it in a channel thats currently hidden so you'll have to take my word for it

[granite sphinx]

you know what, i expected that but i dont know why i expected that

[granite sphinx]

not something im keen to do, just ask if you can screenshot

also you dont have any roles at all, so im less inclined to believe you could see a hidden channel

[silver silo]

its this message

but as you can see clicking the link tells you its a hidden channel

it's what used to be draedon spoiler talk probably

[astral yoke]

i think i know what i want now

i don’t want silva helm back

that’s fine it can stay gone

[granite sphinx]

you could probably just ask a mod to screenshot it

[astral yoke]

but put the nebulous core buff back into the godslayer set

and make the nebulous core something else

[silver silo]

uhh I mean sure if rover is willing to do it, I don't see a point though

[granite sphinx]

star veil but extreme version

god slayer stars

[astral yoke]

could work?

[granite sphinx]

astrum deus comes down to fuck your foe's day

[astral yoke]

LOL

[granite sphinx]

literally the worm just blitzes down and impacts them

[astral yoke]

why not just buff the nebulous cores damage increase?

make it 15%

instead of 10

and lose the revive

put it back on godslayer

[granite sphinx]

fuckin, the vanities mod adds a DoG pet thats literally just the DoG but in second phase

its way shorter, probably for lag reasons, but god that would scare the fuck out of me if i was in boss rush or something

[astral yoke]

LOL

[granite sphinx]

DoG should get a pet drop if you can beat it in armageddon, like dungeon guardian

[earnest raptor]

I think on-hit effect is pretty useless at this stage

As relevant bosses kill you in 3 hits

[astral yoke]

that’d be neat

[granite sphinx]

i will say though, Draedon update made DoG a damn pushover

this is a hill i will die on

[astral yoke]

i’d be sticking with my companion cube but

a DoG pet would be cool

[granite sphinx]

i died about 70 times to polterghast

i got to DoG and killed him in less than 20 attempts

and most of those attempts were ended either because i wasnt paying attention and got sniped by the head or was getting used to the patterns

pretty much about 80% of my fails against DoG was the head

[astral yoke]

DoG turns so sharply sometimes and it fucks me up

[granite sphinx]

i will say that one time i got snipped by one of the smaller worms and i laughed so hard when it happened

thats what i was talking about, yes

[small timber]

putting god slayer revive back to god slayer armors is unlikely to happen to say the least (as in it will super likely get outright rejected if it get enough votes)

so probably focus on giving something else

[granite sphinx]

calval has a server?

gimme link

i need to yell at the devs for something

[astral yoke]

what else could you even give it

just like

better offensive stats than silva?

or just as good offensive stats as silva?

[small timber]

I think at least match the stat of silva

for defensive it is very hard to make an argument, because god slayer dash is a very defensive tool (and a good one at that)

[astral yoke]

since silva gets invulnerability it would be fair to give godslayer slightly better stats than silva

only slightly

2% at most

2-3%

[small timber]

nah silva revive is not that good, for the simple reason of it usable once per life

[astral yoke]

yeah fair enough

[small timber]

if it is on a CD then it is another argument

[half sage]

best solution would be to take revive away from silva so no one has one and we can finally put revives to bed

[small timber]

it feels good in old version because you had god slayer revive before silva

[astral yoke]

you know

i like your mindset

[astral yoke]

weird thing was auric tesla got BOTH

that was kinda silly imo

[small timber]

ya it had both, which is why silva revive felt extremely strong, because it will not get procced by random things

silva revive by itself is just... not good

[astral yoke]

being able to dish out as much dps as you want for a time is alright to me

because it makes you invincible i think

at least

it did in the last update

[small timber]

it is 5 second, you rarely get hit for that many times in such a short time span unless you screw up

it is unreliable to use it as an offensive move

[astral yoke]

did it get nerfed?

i thought it was 10 last update

[small timber]

silva was 10, auric was 5, now both are 8

so for auric it is the same

[half sage]

silva is still 10 according to the wiki

and in my mage pt I remember silva being higher than 5

[small timber]

oh wait both are around 8, I guess I misremembered the changelog

[astral yoke]

that’s enough time to do a decent amount of dps

but it is mainly defensive

[small timber]

ya, just that you usually do not use it to do damage (too unrealiable)

[astral yoke]

if it was 5 then yeah pure defensive

those 5 are precious

gotta get out of whatever pickle you put yourself in

[granite sphinx]

yelled at the devs

felt good

got it out of my system

[small timber]

oh yah I thought of one, how about Nebulous Core having less CD with God Slayer Armor equipped?

we have Silva Wing with Silva Armors so why not Nebulous Core with God Slayers?

something like 45 second will make it identical to the old God Slayer Revive (just spend 1 more accessory slot, though it do give damage)

[frozen hornet]

so you're suggesting 42 new items added to the already absurd amount of stuff cal adds

[worthy ferry]

People arent ever happy. I for one prefer the items being placed behind a challenge. Makes them a reward rather than a rare item you have to grind for. Not everyone has nothing to do and can grind bosses for rare drops all day.

[gray nebula]

I think ppl are complaining more so because of the challenge itself

.

[worthy ferry]

I am aware

[gray nebula]

[worthy ferry]

I'm more so referring to the idea that a lot of people hate that items are placed behind challenges it seems, but idk anything so:what:

[rose latch]

I think the problem is that most people can't access the weapons at the tier that they are viable at

so it's not as rewarding to refight

since the only one which remains viable well after it's spot in progression is the community

so at that point they're collectors items and not actual weapons

[gray nebula]

also it's just not intuitive to refight bosses in this game

lol

also tbh I don't think it even was the original intention behind malice it just got made so ridiculously hard that it ended up being what was the most reasonable

also I mean I think ppl wouldn't complain if the challenge was less overwhelmingly hard and the guaranteed items weren't made malice exclusive

like, the big example people keep bringing up is the counter scarf

cuz it was a free guaranteed drop in rev before and people really liked it, and now it got taken away from them and locked behind malice

[small timber]

the complain associated with Malice mode is not that it is "overwhelmingly hard", it is the fact that the nature of enraging bosses is unfair

because if you take any boss, multiply their movement speed and attack speed by x2 it will always be extremely hard, people just don't like the idea that such an unfair adjustment is regarded as a "legit difficulty mode". Calamity merely provide enough tools so that fighting enraged bosses are possible, it does not mean that the bosses are fair or even fun to fight (just refer to BoC and Astrum Aureus)

[silver silo]

I've yet to see anyone bring up something that isnt counter scarf

[small timber]

if it is something like defiled feather where if you favourite this item bosses automatically enrage it will be different

on top of that it has reward lock behind it, rewards tend to incentivize actually playing it (like compare to armageddon and defiled feather, both mostly 0 reward = 0 complain)

I think the ideal solution (without fully rework) Malice Mode is to remove everything about it except force Death Mode AI and enraged bosses, since most people just don't want to play under which is basically death mode condition

[fossil finch]

The item is called killing aureus

Trolled

[silent cloak]

L

no

[earnest raptor]

Actually

When I was trying to do second musket playthrough

Astral meteor didn't spawn even after Aureus

I think cheat-only item would be useful in that case.

[fossil bronze]

so like something unobtainable?

[earnest raptor]

Yep.

[silent cloak]

still works either way

whatever method it would be done in, it would be really helpful when u mess up or ur game just stupid

[fossil bronze]

maybe the game could check every ingame day or something if theres an astral meteor either pre aureus or pre deus

and if there is not one it spawns one

so if wof fails you csn still get astral meteor

[silent cloak]

That would be good too tbh

Kinda like how the normal meteor mechanic works

[eternal escarp]

wouldnt the dev gear weapons be untested seeing as BR isnt balanced either?

aka making suggestions of that type redundant?

[half sage]

Yes, and since it’s dedicated content it also needs permission of the person it’s dedicated to

Or is that only for donator items

[gray nebula]

nah its for any

[cobalt pewter]

yea it probably got corrupted in midway and became this clusterfuck of an eldritch abomination

(i'd still prefer malice over rng bullshit any day, but malice still needs to be addressed as a mode i think)

[gray nebula]

this is why ive resigned to only replying with Malice Moment every time someone asks for it to be nerfed etc

i mean it needs to be adressed as a mode i guess but at the same time im going craz!!y!!!!!

yet another difficulty mode ❗ ❗

[cobalt pewter]

danger indeed

[deft yew]

[Translation: Brain of Cthulhu needs to be addressed as a boss.]

[small timber]

how are you supposed to beat malice profaned guardian? I mean the "normal way"

the fight become too aids to me 10 deaths in that I just search a nohit

[cobalt pewter]

funny since malice icon is brain

[deft yew]

Wait I didn’t realize that

[small timber]

because BoC is already bad, but Malice profaned guardian is inexcusable, like literally is the fight tested?

[grim tusk]

Guardians will get reworked soon™️

[small timber]

ya, that is understandable, I just hope that they did not tune it to its current stat

literally only 2 strategy is viable, circle rotation (require super human dodge to account for every single spam) or run in straight line

[deft yew]

Guardians rework is nice because it makes Providence better. I don’t care much about the guardians themselves

The thing I’m really interested in is the Signus rework

(and i hope for a weaver rework ofc)

[frozen hornet]

It seemed like fab has no plans for weaver rework

but things might change

[small timber]

weaver is not really in need of a rework, at least not urgent

it is not a good fight, but it is not like the worst thing ever

[deft yew]

true

it's not strictly bad or irritating, just boring

[astral yoke]

ceaseless void

please

it’s so bad

for the love of god please rework that thing

[small timber]

ceaseless void is reworked, but I don't feel like the current version is that good yet

[astral yoke]

storm weaver is fine

[small timber]

the fight feels really chaotic

[astral yoke]

it is not

the fight is clumsy and it’s not properly telegraphed at all

he just jitters around and if you get hit by an unreactable void ball thing

well sucks to be you gotta hold that

i personally quite like storm weaver

but for what i think’s supposed to he a miniboss

he hits a bit too hard

that’s my only gripe

otherwise i like it

[novel belfry]

the sheer lack of responses right now is probably because literally no one remembers these weapons even exist, aside from me for some reason

[ruby plover]

also some people might just not have any strong opinions about it

so they won't disagree or strongly agree

[languid quartz]

you should probably change your title to something like allow the burnt sienna to crafted into the terra-cotta again because it's a bit confusing atm

[novel belfry]

oh fuck i didn't add the crafted in lmao

[languid quartz]

other than that looks fine

[hollow shell]

@unborn siren Star Wrath and Aquatic Dissolution are not shortswords

[unborn siren]

Im just giving some examples for other swords that shoot projectiles from the sky

Imma edit that to make it more clear

[hollow shell]

I'm not really convinced by the argument that it looks similar to other shortswords, either 🤔

Shortswords are pointed because they do stabbing

Burning Sky has a cleaving edge

[hollow shell]

That is indeed
the.. only exception, I think?

Spore Knife and True Night's Stabber get close

[unborn siren]

it's short and looks like a sword

[fossil finch]

Br

[hollow shell]

It would be the second largest shortsword if it was made into one

[fossil finch]

Rework the weapon into epic

Thing

2

Idk but really why was it made magic staff

[hollow shell]

We do already have plans to unfuck Burning Sky

[wheat jetty]

Oh I have an idea

[hollow shell]

I am personally really glad that it has this period of being a fucking magic staff that deals melee damage
It feels really honest

[wheat jetty]

Does the BS damage enemy when they are use?
Like Marnite Bayonet?

[fossil finch]

Wdym

Cryptic rover message

[gray nebula]

rover is glad that the burning sky doesnt even try to pretend to be melee because for once its not like the ohter projecitle melee weapons that are like "haha no but you can use true melee with it" except no one really does

here its "yeah, youre not gonna use this to actually hit your enemies. dont even try"

[languid quartz]

lmfao yeah

[faint warren]

Uhh, My suggestion should be ok? or i have to explain a little more?

[gray nebula]

nah i thin k its good but unfortunately daedalus is kindof in limbo rn iirc

tho we do have plans to integrate permafrost/cryogen better into the snow biome and world

[faint warren]

Oh well

[grim tusk]

That seems more like something Yuh is doing

[gray nebula]

wtf yuh is doing stuf,,?.??

[cobalt pewter]

rover are you okay?

[hollow shell]

^

I think it is very funny

[fossil finch]

DevPlans.png iirc

[grim tusk]

:Orthocera:

[fossil finch]

(He is not doing anything i hate yuh he doesn't work!!!!

[hollow shell]

You can take a proj spam screen-filling weapon like Burning Sky, whose only connection to the melee class is a little hitbox above the player
and just remove that little hitbox
and the weapon functions almost exactly the same and players use it no differently than they used it before
Destroying its connection to the melee class, but leaving the functionality pretty much untouched

It's honest

And indicative of what "melee" is

[grim tusk]

Now time for the biome blade line follow that

Before 1.5, Ark was the poster child of melee is mana-less mage

But now Burning sky IS a wand

[crude geode]

It’ll probably never happen but god Ark should do that

[crude geode]

Wow this suggestion has no reasoning

Besides goblin army get boring, buff pls

[frozen hornet]

buffing them would be even more boring

oh cool fight these stupid enemies again

[fossil finch]

They don't need to have new post ml content anyways

Not everything needs content in every single part of the pt

And it's not that common of a natural occurrence to matter

[violet dagger]

question has it been suggested yet to make all boss summons being non consumable config

not really for me since i like them being non consumable it just seems kinda strange it isn't config though

[cobalt pewter]

don't think you'd have good enough reason for that, but go ahead I guess

[violet dagger]

well worth a shot ig

i mean i think its sufficient reasoning its not a massive change doesnt need a ton of it

[fossil finch]

The fact it's not massive doesn't mean it doesn't require a ton

Useless configs are a thing

[gray nebula]

its not even like the grind for boss summons is fun

[violet dagger]

some random person probably finds it fun idk

i mean boss rush curses exist and ive seen like no one use them

[fossil finch]

Some random person isn't really a good thing to stand on

And yeah bossrush curses are funny

[silver silo]

terraria players be like its so fun to do the same thing 100 times

[ruby plover]

I mean I don’t mind grinding (in moderation). But. I wouldn’t tick a config to make me have to grind more

[frozen hornet]

I haven't found anyone that enjoys grinding boss summons

[worthy lintel]

I know I am supposed to remain impartial regarding suggestions, but why

[grim tusk]

Its always bad sugg season

[grim tusk]

also isnt goblin army sugg a ❗ ?

[worthy lintel]

Technically yes

It's too much for the nature of the channel

And also very vague

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message unsure on this one, glad to know people like it but theres a reason it has infernum on the title (maybe it could reach main mod but unsure of Dom, Nycro and Pinkie’s opinions)

[hollow shell]

Kinda weak suggestion, Seal

First reason is based on a guess that people would like summon grinding
and
"It just kind of seems strange that it isn't in config since many other similar things are configurable and it would make a lot of sense to have it as such." It would help to provide examples of similar configs to this for comparison, as that's the only properly substantial part of the reason

[grim tusk]

Configs just for the sake of it are

[violet dagger]

that was probably what i was going for

anyways ye i have a few examples i could add

[worthy lintel]

Problem is that you suggestion goes against pretty much the majority

Cal made mining faster because a lot of players complained it was a slog the same way Cal also added item recipes for vanilla

[violet dagger]

yeah but thats for the votes to decide honestly

but stuff like recipes can be avoided

you can just not craft with those

[worthy lintel]

There is no reason to force players to grind for item summons really

It is not intuitive

[violet dagger]

im just saying the option should be there

[worthy lintel]

And Calamity's increased difficulty in rev+ means more attempts for the average player

[frozen hornet]

why should it

[worthy lintel]

Unlimited summons are here to stay

[violet dagger]

tbh if a player wanted to they could just

throw away the summon

and make a new one

anyways just yeah i dont really care about the suggestion anymore now that i realize you could just do that

[ruby plover]

I feel like this texture pack suggestion can just be like. Made by yourself or somethin

[violet dagger]

where would you get the sprites tho

[ruby plover]

The wiki has past sprites

[violet dagger]

it doesnt have all of them tho

and boss animations

[ruby plover]

I think you can access older versions of images on the wiki? Or you used to?

[cobalt pewter]

@viral forge no suggs about bringing back old stuff iirc

[violet dagger]

doesnt have them

[cobalt pewter]

check pins

[ruby plover]

Also yeah also that

[violet dagger]

yuh probably has a place with all old sprites stored

[viral forge]

Not to bring back but as an option of how you wanna see how the boss and stuff looks

[violet dagger]

oh yeah another problem is sprites like the old siren one

forgor what her name was

[cobalt pewter]

the sugg still implies bringing back old content in some way

[violet dagger]

but there was the whole the spriter didn't want it in the mod

[cobalt pewter]

even if togglable

stop living in the past

[violet dagger]

back on my suggestion i feel its really the voters job to decide on that

dont expect it to perform well

[cobalt rose]

i really dont think anyone's gonna stop you if you make a texture pack for this

id argue there's probably already one out there

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Bring back old shit sugg, kill

[hollow shell]

😐

Not even formatted

[viral forge]

Sorry mate I was on mobile

[cobalt pewter]

mobile ain't stopping anyone

almost all suggestions I made were on mobile

[rugged belfry]

You can do everything on mobile you can on desktop when it comes to formatting messages

[cobalt pewter]

the only thing that desktop has over mobile in that sense is real time preview of the formatting on the textbox

[small timber]

the suggestion itself is a don't, not really have too much to do with mobile

even with correct formatting the suggestion wont pass

[rugged belfry]

Yeah

[deft yew]

Definitely agree with this but it’s a little too specific to pass smoothly

[grim tusk]

@slate turtle make your sugg less specific, but the idea is alright

[slate turtle]

Alright

[deft yew]

“The dukes take so much work”
Regular Duke less so because you can craft truffle worm, but Bloodworm’s spawn rate is a crime

[drowsy widget]

I always take bloodworms from hero's mod, but throw away 1 platinum coin for every worm i took

[faint warren]

What about my idea of "Brimstone Ash Block"?

[novel belfry]

It sounds interesting, but I'd rather wait until the smarter lads here pick it apart to decide on it.
also Calamitas is a she just letting you know

[hollow shell]

Yeah this sounds fine

(but ye SCal is female)

[faint warren]

Sometimes translator fails

In long text, i have to use translator

Although Ashes are "Burned on Brimstone", then the ashes would be more easier to pick at

[novel belfry]

oh

[keen zealot]

Terraria really should have infinite buff slots

[nimble berry]

yeah

[keen zealot]

definitely the kind of change calamity should make

there are and have always been minimods that do that (just search for "buff slot" on mod browser) but that should not be a reason to neglect making such a change

[exotic stag]

i kinda wanna bring this up but its literally 3 months old. yeah..

i just went and checked an old sugg

and kinda

[rugged belfry]

Ah, massive dried desert horse in the ocean.

[novel belfry]

AQUATIC CNIDRION

[fossil bronze]

is there a suggestion already to make blood relic non consumable

[cobalt pewter]

.004 will make event summons non-consumable

[deft yew]

agreed (mostly) but it could use a little polish

for example the title should be bold

[crude geode]

Doesn’t have to be

In any way lol

[deft yew]

oh what

moment

[viral forge]

Plus how tf do I bold on mobile

[deft yew]

same way you bold on pc

double asterisk

**

[crude geode]

Yeah, it’s mob mentality. It makes it easier to read in posting but it automatically happens upon going into #suggestions-voting

[exotic stag]

(imagine cnidrion just being weak to water)

it just turns into the horse mount from vanilla

[rugged belfry]

**text**

[hollow shell]

@viral forge All music boxes?

[viral forge]

I would say so unless calamity has a noc that sells them then I'd say just the non sold one

[hollow shell]

Nah we don't have a music box NPC

I personally dislike the crafting solution, and would rather we IL edit the music box code to just record instantly when you equip them instead of making it RNG

But, I spose the suggestion is fine

[crude geode]

Yeah making it instant would be better imo

[grim tusk]

Rather than anywhere from instant to 30 fucking minutes

[cobalt pewter]

or at least after a full loop of any theme

but yea

[grim tusk]

People waiting 4 minutes for each part of Stained Brutal Calamity

[cobalt pewter]

have fun

[deft yew]

1.5 making Acceptance unobtainable:

[rugged belfry]

That's part of the experience 🤩

[fossil finch]

Honestly quite incredible

@hollow shell hi yes someone is being painfully unfunny

Oh

Failure

[hollow shell]

m

[rugged belfry]

What was it?

[fossil finch]

Discord users after making a 3 books long message to ask a question that can be answered with "k" or smt idk laugh please

[fast viper]

shush, im typing up a suggestion

want to post it in here before seeing if it's ok for posting

[fossil finch]

If your sugg is that long maybe you should simplify it anyways

[fast viper]

ok fine

ok this sugg is a bitch to word

how would i suggest making more UI elements for enchants so that they're more easily usable

ephemeral has an indicator for how much damage you're doing, but bloodthirsty, resentful, and withering (which uses two different build-up mechanics, is pretty complex, and can literally kill you) don't

[rugged belfry]

Make more UI elements for enchants so that they're more easily usable
<reasoning reasoning>

[fossil finch]

brimmy is one of the first bosses fought on hm
...no????
She was always remarkably meant to be the last mech alt

It was never "meant" for you to fight it pre mechs whatsoever

That's cryo

[distant gyro]

should be made at a hellforge

[fossil finch]

Just remove crafting stations

[distant gyro]

cobalt anvil

[cobalt pewter]

true

cobalt / palladium workbench

[rugged belfry]

Oh I always thought you were meant to fight alt mechs and then mechs

[cobalt pewter]

the order was never fixed

it's just 1.5 early hm changes fucking over mech alts

[exotic stag]

(another bee sugg)

[unborn osprey]

i had a pretty cool idea of a summoner weapon that had MULTIPLE crafting stages, one for each tier of ore but i saw that i shouldn't suggest that. also i realized it would be a PAIN to actually balance and make

[hollow shell]

Ah fuck I should've exclam'd Pogseal's sugg and pinged him to edit it

I criticized it in chat but, big mistake, didn't ping him

[hollow shell]

here

[hollow shell]

Oh nevermind he just forgot?? 🤨

[violet dagger]

honestly i dont care if you just delete it from voting

i kinda gave up on it after i realized you could just throw away the summon and make a new one if you really wanted to

[gray nebula]

nobody like accidentally waking up queen bee

OK well im nobody

[silver silo]

why??????

[gray nebula]

funny

[silver silo]

UR funny

gotem

[ruby plover]

queen bee awoke during my scal nohit attempt

(which was funny i like when it happens as well)

[silver silo]

its only funny untill she wakes up pre boss and fucks ur shit up fam

[languid quartz]

honestly I like queen bee for that reason because it means you have to tread carefully in the jungle

[ruby plover]

and starfury isn't a free loot finder in the jungle either

[gray nebula]

OK but

if she wakes up pre boss I think you should ask about the particular weapon then

.

piercing thru blocks and having such a long rare seems oddge

[grim tusk]

Or when testing Scal am i rite

Wish i could post the full pic but has confidential info

🐝

[hollow shell]

I think that I will do that yes

for posterity:

[grim tusk]

They almost did on that Scal attempt lmao

[silver silo]

s-starfury

[crude geode]

Could have sworn they drop souls of night (or that was planned)

[lucid marsh]

Oh they do?

I assumed they didn't, I should have checked

[crude geode]

Yeah, it’s fine though

[lucid marsh]

I'd make them drop souls of light too,just fewer of them

[crude geode]

Ehhhh

Kinda weird

[lucid marsh]

Maybe a little but you could say that the souls of light were sealed inside by the souls of night

And you released both when you broke it just like killing the wall of flesh released both

[crude geode]

Sounds like a stretch

[eternal escarp]

they drop 7 soulds of night, yes

it was written in the changelogs along with the rest of the early HM rework

[cobalt pewter]

6 to 7 afaik

[wheat jetty]

Mecha Mayhem go boom

[small timber]

I think your reasoning can just be they should drop both, wall of flesh doesn't look hollow or holy to me but killing it unseal both creature of light and dark

[wheat jetty]

Grief? Like destroy the entrance?

Actually thats make more sense

Deleting time

One time there was only a block of sand (shot by a Antlion). And the cultist stop spawning

[rugged belfry]

It’s not planned for them to drop souls of night, they already do

[frozen hornet]

It doesn't really make sense that the altars found in the crimson/corruption drops souls of light

Or flight

Or the essences

Besides it kinda takes away from the "collecting materials from different parts of the world" part of early hardmode

Which imo was the best part of it

[river glen]

god dammit

i have a 220 suggestion

that i now doubt will reach 270

[frozen hornet]

which

[hollow shell]

@lucid marsh There is no "if" they drop Souls of Night
They do do that now

Sugg should be worded as such

[earnest raptor]

maybe demon altars should drop soul of light when they are located in hallow

as frequently that happens in my worlds

[rugged belfry]

I've never seen that

[earnest raptor]

one of my first echraria worlds had literally crimson replaced by hallow on one side

[rugged belfry]

Okay

[safe oasis]

but they’re still altars dedicated to the evil biomes

doesn’t really make much sense

[torn crown]

Just convert demon altars into holy altars if it's in the path of the hallow spawn

[fossil finch]

Why

?

I'm not asking you I'm asking them

Ding dong ditching

Pog!

oh no wait they're still connected

Just

@ashen warren

[north plank]

they’ve been pinged, it is time for the ❗

[ashen warren]

bc it fucks with other mods, thx for the ping

can't get the joost reforges because they dont count as the "best"

[north plank]

if you can word it better and suit it to the pinned format it’s perfectly fine to suggest it, otherwise it’s a no go really

[ashen warren]

k

[grim tusk]

imagine if Unbalanced reforge was still unbalanced (used to be rogue's strongest reforge)
Good change, now reports of reforges not working when using Alch npc or Joost may cease

[ashen warren]

Its just frustrating bc im using joost and i want the throwing dmg ones for rogue

[grim tusk]

we could just tell em to use that toggle

if the sugg gets in

[grim tusk]

just use flawless, extremely good

[ashen warren]

I meant for accessories

[cobalt pewter]

smh

[grim tusk]

oh yea been long since i played joost and i forgor it adds those

[cobalt pewter]

shouldn't accessories reforging only limit the player to modifiers that raise tier by 2 eventually?

at least I think it should

or did cal devs really manually add modifiers for that

[grim tusk]

iirc Cal sometimes causes acc reforge conficts due to the stealth reforges

[ashen warren]

Silent seems to work

-ish

[cobalt pewter]

probably why i always discourage mixing content mods in this state of terraria and its mods

unless it's intended to be compatible from the ground up, you'll always see degrees of problems with mixing content mods

[exotic stag]

there should literally just be a rule to make suggestions based on the base calamity

that being no music + music. extra music is discluded

[fossil bronze]

what do you mean calamity+fargo+soa+ea+aa+mor isn't the intended way to play terraria mods

[cobalt pewter]

to be fair the suggestion itself is already sus because it asks for config

[fossil bronze]

smh my head

[cobalt pewter]

but

if the config is put out of the sugg, the sugg could probably work

idk

i am braindead atm

[exotic stag]

brain hurty

[wheat jetty]

I see someone mentioning SCal as a male

[deft yew]

draft time

Rework the Aquatic Aberration and the Parasea, and prevent them from spawning outside the Leviathan fight

The Leviathan compensates for low attack variety by spawning minions. However, both of them are quite basic and contribute to little more than boss servant bloat. On top of this, they can spawn naturally at the ocean post-Clone/Plant, becoming a massive annoyance if you’re trying to wait for ??? to spawn.
Aquatic Aberration is the primary offender. Its behavior (Corite AI) tends to force players into a single movement pattern, and hard punish them for not using it by overlapping their attacks with Levi’s meteors. They are also very tanky, so any lack of DPS can ruin your day.
Parasea contributes very little to the fight, as you’ll be moving around so much that it drifts far out of range. I often see them bunched up in clouds stuck on top of Levi, and never get hit by them at all.
Giving these two new AI, such as coordinating their attacks with Levi’s, would contribute greatly to the otherwise bland Leviathan fight (although Anahita is perfectly fine) and make them less irritating to deal with.

[fossil finch]

You should mention they're also enemies

[deft yew]

Yeah I also despise that about them

[grim tusk]

These 2 are the reason you always get tesla pot

And sometimes inferno

[deft yew]

Edited, does that address it okay?

[cobalt pewter]

what

[fallow hedge]

@prime hamlet something something no meme suggs

[prime hamlet]

Fr tho that should be a joke item

[deft yew]

[prime hamlet]

And it has a chance to be crafted when making the eye of extinction

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell yeah just. i have no comment.
#suggestions-posting message

[ruby plover]

Make a mod that adds it yourself if you want it so bad…

[fallow hedge]

fr

[ruby plover]

Oh yeah it’s ceremonial urn now

[hollow shell]

Yeah uh please don't do that @prime hamlet

Don't post joke suggestions, that is.

[deft yew]

While you’re here, does this look alright

[hollow shell]

"they can spawn naturally outside of the fight, wrecking early game players with their post-Plantera stats."
They can only spawn after Plantera or Calamitas.

[deft yew]

oh

[hollow shell]

Otherwise I guess it's fine

[deft yew]

Fixed that

[hollow shell]

It does feel kinda weird to have boss minions in a fight that's supposed to be like
a duo, yknow

[cobalt pewter]

yea

[deft yew]

ima be honest there are a lot of boss minions that exist for no reason other than

E.g. Cryogen’s

Alright it’s put through

[jaunty pond]

Make Yoyo’s and Stationary summons actually viable sub-classes

Both ranger and magic have their own unique choices of weaponry you can go with for the whole game (magic guns, tomes, staffs, bows/gun) but summoner and meelee lack those unique choices. Adding both more yoyo/station armor sets/weaponry will make people revisit and try the new classes, and widen the playing field even more

[north plank]

yo-yos are already super strong, so much yo-yo bag had to be nerfed

[jaunty pond]

what you guys think of this

[worthy lintel]

The main counter-argument to your sugg is that there's hardly any balancing done to specific subclasses

and yoyos are hell to balance

Melee is melee

[jaunty pond]

hm, it sounds fun as hell tho

idk

im new to this

been playing terraria for a while

just want a reason to choose those subs late game over other things, you know

they could rework yoyo’s

maybe make it so they are very close ranged but have very good damage

cause most yoyo’s just shoot projectiles

stationary summons also need a rework/more content

no doubt

the only station armor you can use is from the old one’s army

an arguably boring event

[grim tusk]

The last projectile thrower is obliterator (and azazoth), oracle, solar flare and the “used to be viable on DoG” yoyo are all close

[jaunty pond]

hm

alright

havent done a yoyo playthrough yet

but still

[grim tusk]

You can at least use the accessories (but yea they need to be sent into nucleogenesis or smth)

[jaunty pond]

also, this

after early game meelee is essentially just mage without mana

[grim tusk]

Also balancing sentries seems to be already a nightmare for the devs, just look at hive pod

[jaunty pond]

yeah, ik

but i just want a reason to pick it over anything else

you know

[deft yew]

@ Iban

[worthy lintel]

no matter how you tackle them, sentries are literally free dps since Red thought it was a good idea to give them their own slots

[jaunty pond]

i think terraria’s personalisation really come from subclasses

[deft yew]

red thought a lot of things were good ideas

[grim tusk]

Yea you could use Guidelight/Carrion in BR on 1.4.5.7

[jaunty pond]

its really fun to see how long you can take one type of weapon

[worthy lintel]

:(

[jaunty pond]

like flails

or yoyo’s

or tomes

stuff like that make the game feel more personal

in my opinion

[deft yew]

meanwhile pre patch perdition

[jaunty pond]

feel free to argue

[deft yew]

[jaunty pond]

maybe im just too tired, idk

[grim tusk]

Now you use that even post-nerf

[jaunty pond]

4 am rn where i live

[grim tusk]

Still strong

[jaunty pond]

another thing

like meelee shortswords

id call that a sub-class

but i dont think it needs its own armor or anything

just like tomes or staffs

but when you look at ranged ammo selection

you feel like everything could be like that

making every run even more different

[grim tusk]

Shortswords are very viable on Cal

Subshocker used to be commically op even

[deft yew]

well, if you can facetank

[grim tusk]

You get rippers, rip and tear then get out and heal to repeat the process

[deft yew]

literally true melee but kinda worse

[grim tusk]

And theres plenty of magelee shortswords anyways as well

[deft yew]

...would shorties be worth using when doing TM?

[grim tusk]

Prob the Hive drops

[deft yew]

oh you mean hm and perfs

i'm about to fight cultist

[grim tusk]

Is there a true melee shorty at that point?

[deft yew]

latest one is "excalishortie" as i call it, iirc

(excalibur shortsword)

[grim tusk]

Terra shiv actually

But non true meme

[deft yew]

yeah i was referring to true shorties

[grim tusk]

And then theres no more

Some have true meme effects tho

[deft yew]

right

hold on

can only broadswords be tainted?

like no tainted spears or shorties

[wheat jetty]

Ah yes, my suggestion have reach 90 stars

Only 180 to go

[grim tusk]

Wiki does not say that only broadswords

[deft yew]

so does that mean i was right

[grim tusk]

Although tainted exo gladius would be commically op

[deft yew]

i-frames moment

speaking of which, tainted earth sounds hilarious

fortunately it doesn't exist

[cobalt pewter]

make cal force sentries to use summon slots then

[worthy lintel]

👁️

[exotic stag]

(subclass suggestions:)

[unborn siren]

shortsword is a mostly viable subclass

[exotic stag]

no not shortswords

shortswords are fine they have all they could ever ask for

(including a meme)

but stuff like flails and yoyos are near direct copies of one another

[cobalt pewter]

yoyos are the impostors

[exotic stag]

yes

and its just like darts are the hybrid child of guns/bows

[small timber]

Isnt subclass suggestion a gray area of the dont (if I remember correctly) as they are not really meant for an entire playthrough just as an option? (You found a good subclass weapon you use it)

Also using mage is not really a good example, there is functionally no difference between a magic book and a staff, flails and sword I can see

[crude geode]

yeah mage is an awful example lol

[slate turtle]

Wait stationary summons?

Like the exploding frog thingy?

[small timber]

after checking the suggestion I think it might need more criticizing:

1. Magic is a terrible example, there is functionally no difference between a magic book and a stuff. Their sprite can be swapped and you might notice 0 difference. Ranger's rocket launcher maybe considered a sub-class but not so much bow and gun. Their only difference is basically projectile dropoff and what ammo they can use and also it is a vanilla thing to prevent ranger becoming more than the point and click class it already is. The only subclass calamity made viable which I will consider is true melee which got its entire focus tree of accessories, buffs and armors.

2. (yoyo/station) - what station? station buffs? these are never class specific, if you are saying sentry I think for sentry some are already planned to be added, just not at every point of the game

3. armor set - I don't remember calamity adding any sub-class specific armor set, at least not throughout progression, the only ones like shroomite and defender armors are vanilla things

4. weaponry - to certain degree these maybe already planned but another interpretation is that it becomes just "add more weapons" suggestion

5. it is difficult to give summoner subclass as they are, well, summon staffs and let them fight. The only two example weapons like endo hydra staff (which still function just like other summons, most notably sirius, just visually different) and cold divinity type of weapons. Sentry are vanilla things and many are already added

and finally this unless they are planning on changing this, since your suggestion said "whole game" and also to add armor set it is implied that it is a suggestion to improve subclass only run, especially considering when calamity do already add yoyo at almost every point of progression and many sentry

[cobalt pewter]

sentries

[slate turtle]

Oh lol

Sentry builds are very viable after you get the OOA sets though

Like i literally killed some post-ml bosses with just valhalla and some calamity sentries

The dps is great

Spikecrag staff kills providence very fast

[hollow shell]

@jaunty pond How the heck does melee lack subclass representation, comparable to summoner?
There's a high density of broadswords yes but there is still a notable amount of spears, shortswords, flails, boomerangs, uncategorized weps, and yoyos
Why did you choose only yoyos as the area to expand?

Summoner sentries, yes I agree with you there, they are quite the minority compared to summoner minions

[obsidian cove]

In a suggestion, do I have to say how to solve a certain issue, or can suggestion just be to in some way achieve something?

[eternal escarp]

you can give broad ideas to help the issue, but nothing that is specific

[obsidian cove]

I think my issue is I dont really know how to actually implement my suggestion

so the opposite

[eternal escarp]

well, you sent your sugg in #suggestions-posting (with the correct format), and after 24 hours it goes to voting

[obsidian cove]

How long do I have to be available for after posting?

[eternal escarp]

also @deft yew your sugg is comically irrelevent next update it seems

[north plank]

you’ll have 24 hours hib, it should be fine

[eternal escarp]

ye

[north plank]

just be sure to check when you’re free

[obsidian cove]

k, Ill post it

[eternal escarp]

aslong as youre around for like, the first 20 minutes too usually

[hollow shell]

Yes I agree with this suggestion hibub

And it's formatted correctly so nice work

[north plank]

it’s definitely needed

[hollow shell]

Just one thing:
"Calamities" in the title should be "Calamity's"

[eternal escarp]

ye good one

[languid quartz]

Ooh yeah interesting suggestion

I just have no idea how it’d be executed

[eternal escarp]

the wiki exists but relaying on it is

[north plank]

how has that not been suggested before

[eternal escarp]

it was i think?

i remember something like this a while ago

[north plank]

I’d believe it

[eternal escarp]

it just holds more ground now

[north plank]

yeah especially as more people are playing it

given it’s post christmas

[obsidian cove]

thats what I was asking about before, I also have no clue how something like this would actually be made ingame

[ruby plover]

it could be implemented with the guide or amidias or smthn and their "help" dialogue

well at least some of it

[eternal escarp]

its fine if you personally dont have an idea, usually just bringing attention to the issue is good