suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

Ah yes, with Trippy too

also using Copper Shortsword because fuck you

Pantheon 5 All Bindings

[grim tusk]

Revengeance as well

[left sparrow]

Hm. What do you guys think of this idea:
Give all true melee weapons the ability to parry, and each true melee has a different effect for the parry.

I brought it up once before and it was turned away, but after seeing the entire ranged class revamp, maybe I could try it again

[small timber]

"parry" exist with Asgard's Valor line of upgrades, if you are referring to "reflecting projectile", it will be a balance nightmare

[left sparrow]

Think of how the brand of the inferno works

You press right click, you block the projectile(or take less damage if you just have the shield held up) and gain a temporary damage boost

[small timber]

I think you can suggest that, to make more true melee weapons behave like brand of inferno

but definitely not without a cooldown it they are to be implemented on stronger weapon than brand

[crude geode]

As if melee didn’t get enough attention

[left sparrow]

True melee needs some options to make it more accessible

And this would be a nice step towards that

[small timber]

technically there is nothing wrong with the suggestion... but you should leave the balance to the devs and only suggest on the idea itself

[left sparrow]

Right, so how should I propose it?

[crude geode]

I think giving all melee weapons a parry is such a massive jump ngl

[left sparrow]

“True melee weapons should have the option to parry”
And then I explain what I mean under that?

[left sparrow]

No no, only true melee

So night’s edge, but not enchanted sword

Just as an example

[crude geode]

The mechanic was literally made on a whim by fabsol to copy ultrakill

[left sparrow]

Well, it was a complete revamp regardless

[crude geode]

Not really?

[left sparrow]

Which shows they’re willing to put effort towards cool stuff

[small timber]

just only mention the idea (make true melee weapons have similar parry function to brand or something along the line) but do not mention how they should implement it

[crude geode]

It was a general mechanic to make ranged less braindead

[small timber]

leave whether or not the devs want to accept the idea to themselves

[crude geode]

A complete revamp is far different

[left sparrow]

Kk

True melee weapons should have access to a parry option

True melee is currently very risky to pull off, and leaves the player very open to take damage from bosses and enemies. Giving these weapons the ability to parry would allow these weapons to be far more dynamic in their combat style, as well as test the player’s skills in more ways than simply proper spacing.

How’s that?

[small timber]

I think a bit more reasoning, risk and reward, upclose and dangerous something like that

since true melee are high risk high reward, you get super close to a boss to deal more damage than usual, a parry mechanic provides a different front to approach the boss by opening up new options

[left sparrow]

Just edited it, how about that?

[small timber]

at least for me, probably good enough, probably just post it and see if others find problem with it

[left sparrow]

Sounds good.

[small timber]

although I think you should mention brand of inferno for reference, otherwise it is hard to get what "parry" is

[left sparrow]

Right, will do

[small timber]

without the context

[left sparrow]

And now we wait.

[crude geode]

I would be more fine with this suggestion if melee didn’t already have like 75 weapons more than most of the other classes

[small timber]

ya it kind of overload the class, but then there is really nothing wrong with the suggestion itself

[left sparrow]

More weapons doesn’t mean it’s better :p

[crude geode]

The suggestion is valid, it’s just going to be very controversial because adding more to melee when it’s already the most bloated class is a bit much.

@hollow shell Can you confirm latest sugg is valid (if not controversial)

[small timber]

ya, thats for that, just have to see if get voted, and if the devs accept or reject it

[left sparrow]

Again, just because it’s bloated doesn’t mean it’s good
It’s not adding more weapons, it’s simply making a subclass more worth using which effectively makes some of that bloat actually useful

[small timber]

the only counter point I might see is "high effort", but it is not really mentioned under any don't

[crude geode]

That’s a major don’t lol

[small timber]

I mean what he is suggesting is not under any mentioned "don't" under high effort

[crude geode]

Also technically supporting subclasses but true melee is in such a incredibly touchy position in terms of subclass

[left sparrow]

It’s an entirely different way to play the melee class, it is completely unique to the normal style of melee in this game

So it’s enough of it’s own thing.

Last time I tried something like this it got controversial too lol

[small timber]

generally a suggestion to add entire mechanic is controversial and close to the line of being rejected

many of the time it will depend on how you word it

[crude geode]

Almost like flamethrowers, or explosive rocket launchers

[left sparrow]

Which are good, yes

[hollow shell]

Oh wow, I didn't expect to see this

[left sparrow]

And only good because they are more in depth and have access to different kinds of rockets

Flamethrowers are just there but they have lots of potential anyway

[left sparrow]

I’m trying again!!

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[left sparrow]

I wanted to bring it up again after seeing the little update to ranged weapons

[small timber]

ya context changed, just like Counter Scarf cold prot

[hollow shell]

I think asking for every single true melee weapon in the game be given a Brand-like right-click is a bit extreme and also ridiculously unlikely

You'd make more progress asking for more Brand-like weapons throughout the game, or for it to be added to a few existing weapons to increase their uniqueness

[crude geode]

Yeah

[small timber]

actually that sounds way more plausible

[left sparrow]

However that wouldn’t really change the viability of the whole class, and wouldn’t help it much

[crude geode]

It shouldn’t

Subclasses should be that, a subclass

[small timber]

because unironically even though I don't disagree with the idea, it is super hard to balance

[hollow shell]

You don't need to fix the entire class with one suggestion
You can take steps towards making it more viable in your eyes

[crude geode]

Indeed

[small timber]

an example is Scal: she shoot 1 projectile every sec which you can block completely

and for comparison current version of "dodge" mechanic function on 90+ sec cooldown

[crude geode]

still think some melee weapons should be removed so every single drop/boss/whatever doesn’t have a goddamn melee weapons associated with it

[left sparrow]

Hm. Well, at that point it’s just the devs deciding what parts of the suggestion they would wanna use

[small timber]

so even if the block is given long CD it is hard to balance

[left sparrow]

Because of course suggestions can’t always be 100% perfect, like mine seems to be here

Or if they wanna use it at all

[hollow shell]

The devs are more likely to consider suggestions if they sound more plausible

They're more likely to completely disregard a suggestion as extreme as yours

[crude geode]

I would also remove the last bit, as relying on subclasses for reasoning is bad

[left sparrow]

Considering it was incredibly simple to think of an alternative that was easier, maybe my suggestion will just bring up the idea and they’ll ponder it for a bit

Maybe.

At this point it just depends

[small timber]

if you have to be picky, you can add an additional line of "How it should be implemented will be leave up to the devs"

as the current version can be seen as "giving brand of inferno parry to all true melee weapons" rather than "give true melee weapons parry function like brand of inferno"

though as above mentioned, no copium, it is very likely to be rejected due to it being way too massive of a mechanic addition (eventhough the suggestion is passible)

[hollow shell]

The latter's wording can even be interpreted as the former, too

[small timber]

ya, wording hard

[crude geode]

Something like “point blank damage boost” likely would never have made it if it didn’t originate from a dev

[small timber]

on that sense as an alternative you can suggest more brand of inferno-like true melee weapons instead, if the devs approved of that maybe one day they will think of adding parry to all true melee weapons

[cobalt pewter]

honestly I prefer having the mechanic be tied to accessories rather than specific weapons, the whole parry thing seems to scream like shield accessories a lot

[crude geode]

Sounds like a recipe for more hotkey bloat

[cobalt pewter]

I mean-

i was originally still thinking of right clicking for the purpose but ok

[crude geode]

That would instantly break any weapon with a right click lol

[cobalt pewter]

damn

[crude geode]

also as if shields didn’t get enough love when compared to the tabi line

[cobalt pewter]

i totally prefer rams and bonks as means of dashing tbh

also why it's funny to me seeing the counter scarf complaints lately

[crude geode]

I prefer bonk when it’s reliable

Shield of Cthulhu bonk just knocked you back two feet when you bonked something

Which usually lead to getting hit against something like Skeletron or Queen Bee

[cobalt pewter]

is SoC kickback from a bonk hit even affected by movement speed or anything? I feel like if so that'd help making the kickback a bit more reliable

[glass sentinel]

thoughts on my writing of a sugg for giving boc a telegraph for his ports

[cobalt pewter]

@lilac steppe no.

first off, formatting issues

second off, joke suggestion

third off, sitting on toilets is already a 1.4 thing, and god knows when tmod will be completely updated to it

ok

#suggestions-posting is just for posting suggestions

sure then

@frosty kindle

ok

mhm sure

what else?

[silver silo]

...lol

[half sage]

[cobalt pewter]

oop i missed the apparently deleted warning

imma just go back to work

[silver silo]

[cobalt pewter]

[silver silo]

thanks danny, hope it wasnt much of a bother

[cobalt pewter]

thanc danny

[candid dove]

Np, and thank Fish, he yeeted them

[cobalt pewter]

thanc fish

[half sage]

[silver silo]

gud feesh

[half sage]

good ending

[frosty kindle]

late response my apologies, was streaming a thing to some friends 😅

[candid dove]

Not much of a bother, just not able to give my full attention to it rn with work

[silver silo]

I can imagine it must suck finding out shit happened while you're busy

[cobalt pewter]

no probs

a chunk of them have at least formatting issues

[silver silo]

so the magic dagger is basically a throwing/rogue weapon that consumes mana right, what about the idea of a melee type weapon that does the same

[cobalt pewter]

huh?

[silver silo]

as in a sword that uses mana to swing and does magic damage

[cobalt pewter]

i'm pretty sure some mods on the wild west of mod browser has that kinda weapon, but I don't think that'd be super out of reach for cal

[silver silo]

🤔

[small timber]

malice nerf are unlikely to pass through unless it is by all means impossible to dodge because the point of Malice is to some extend, unfair

providence laser is kind of an exception for multiplayer, it is not really dodgeable in multiplayer (as the fight is not balanced around MP)

[rose latch]

a lot of the stuff said about providence isn't exclusively malice mode though

since the night time providence laser does deal 800+ damage in death mode

and that's all that they mentioned

[small timber]

I think the providence one is ok, because in MP you do not know which player the providence is aiming at (so the laser might start on a player directly)

duke point is a bit weak, because you can simply use non-homing weapon and aim manually, it will be hard but it is Malice mode

if anything a point like "duke fishron might randomly select a player to charge" might be a better point but I heard Calamity improved on targetting so it don't happen anymore

[jagged spade]

hello

[weak oasis]

bruh whats spoon doin

[jagged spade]

ah

[jagged spade]

random unnecessary shit

[weak oasis]

many thx babe

[lucid marsh]

Hey I'm back after a very long time

Just want to ask

Has the idea of rescuing the dryad Silva from the bottom of the abyss been talked about?

Or her soul or something

I was thinking that could be a thing that is possible and puts her soul in the dryad npc, permanently boosting her power

Anyways

If that lore has changed then nevermind

[short walrus]

(mentioned in lore a while ago) even if you get silva's soul out of the abyss she'd be completely comatose

[lucid marsh]

That's why I said stick it in the dryad to boost her power and make her recover over eons or something

Or

Not the specific reason for it but whatever

[frail mantle]

yea even if you somehow got her out of there and restored her body the most she'd be able to do is sit still while staring emptily at a wall

[lucid marsh]

I see

Weird

But then again calamity lore is weird

Many rewrites

Hell last time I was here, goozma being scrapped was new-ish

Sadge

Anyways you'd think it would be possible to make the dryad like absorb Silva's soul and keep at least a piece of her and her former power

Also that providence suggestion is dumb, it's supposed to one shot you.

Like yes I agree calamity has wack balance but that's not one of the problems

[small timber]

nah it mentioned MP, so the problem is less that it one shot but more that the targetting can be unfair in MP

[lucid marsh]

Ah

I see

[small timber]

though he definitely should have mention that instead of making laser deal less damage

[lucid marsh]

That reminds me. Desert scourge rev mode is harder than EoC rev mode

For melee that is

[small timber]

basically along the line of "give telegraph for player targetted by laser" instead of "nerf laser damage because targetting is unfair"

[cobalt pewter]

@lucid marsh follow the formatting shown in other suggs

[lucid marsh]

Oh right

Oh yeah also having vanilla boomerangs be melee but then calamity ones being rouge kinda sucks

I like my melee boomerangs...

And I'm sure rouges miss having the vanilla boomerangs as rouge

[small timber]

boomerang should be rogue in the first place, it is only melee in vanilla because rogue don't exist in vanilla (and throwing is basically unfinished and scrapped)

because when you think of melee, a thrown weapon is the furthest thing you can think

[lucid marsh]

That's fair, flails in 1.4 are a decent replacement

Can't wait to have that

[small timber]

ya flails definitely should be melee, at least "ranged melee"

[lucid marsh]

I think it is fair to have it be melee

Oh yeah and why the yoyo nerf? They were always trash in calamity anyways weren't they?

Or were they buffed to compensate

For the yoyo bag sucking

[small timber]

they are buffed? they fix the weird yoyo iframe issue with yoyo bag

[lucid marsh]

I see

I only saw the "30% damage down"

[small timber]

previously when you use yoyo bag you have 2 yoyo, but only 1 can hit, now both can hit but both deal 66% damage only

[lucid marsh]

I see so it is actually a 33% damage increase even against single targets

[small timber]

though 33% damage decrease definitely hurts against high defense

[frail mantle]

Yo-yo bag was kinda stupid cause it was such an upgrade

Now it’s a “increases damage but isn’t necessary”

[lucid marsh]

I see

[small timber]

I don't think yoyo bag being "stupidly overpowered upgrade" is an argument, it is an accessory designed to specifically only to be used with yoyo (and the only one in the game beside its component), the 33% damage nerf is just to compensate for the iframe being fixed to prevent yoyo bag just giving double damage

because if you are using yoyo you definitely will still have to use the accessory or most hm yoyo have 0 range

[frail mantle]

Yea the double damage part is the stupid part

[small timber]

ya, I misunderstood your point, because it used to not actually give double damage because only 1 yoyo can hit (due to iframe)

[lucid marsh]

Now it's just +32% damage which is ok

Well

Very good but not broken

Given that yoyos are not good without the bag usually

[small timber]

@lucid marsh I don't think that is a calamity suggestion, at least calamity don't deal with base Tmodloader UI

especially with the mention of wing slot, which is definitely not part of calamity

[lucid marsh]

Wing slot is capable of putting it's accessory slot to the side

That's the example to show it can be done

[small timber]

ya, but this is not a calamity suggestion

because calamity actually only activate the slots that is already programmed in the game (i.e. the one you gain from Moon Lord), they don't add their own accessory slot

[lucid marsh]

Wait what

[small timber]

basically calamity did not do anything with the UI nor the actual accessory slot

[lucid marsh]

That's a vanilla feature?

Huh

[small timber]

ya vanilla feature, both the 6th and 7th slot, Master Mode only activate the already existed 7th slot

other mods like wing slot you mentioned actually add their own slot (I think), but not Calamity

[lucid marsh]

I see

Hmm

Well calamity would probably be able to change it if they wanted I would think

[small timber]

they might be, but that it not part of the mod, it is part of Tmodloader

[lucid marsh]

Ok yeah so?

Other mods don't use this 7th slot

It improves the game

So I'm suggesting it

[small timber]

calamity do not "code" the 7th slot, they simply activate what is already coded in the game

[lucid marsh]

Yes

[small timber]

to put it simply it is extremely hard for calamity to just recode this 7th slot, since it is not part of the mod, it is part of tmodloader

[lucid marsh]

I'm suggesting that calamity change that or replace the slot with it's own

[rose latch]

cant you access the slot if you close the map

[frail mantle]

new accessory slots are pretty ass to add i think

[lucid marsh]

Like don't activate the slot and instead add it's own to the side

[lucid marsh]

Yes but that's annoying

[lucid marsh]

Ok that's a better reason

[rose latch]

yeah adding new accessory slots is very messy apparently

[frozen hornet]

you could just use cheat sheet's extra acc slot thing since it puts the slots to the side

also just turn off your map for a bit

[robust lava]

I think tML 1.4 is making adding extra accessory slots “not as ass”™️

[left sparrow]

Wing slot is unnecessary, but it does make the experience more fun

[worthy lintel]

(i had a small flash and I don't know if its been suggested already please tell me if its the case)

[small timber]

although abit late, ya the suggestion is successfully posted

[eternal escarp]

they were noted to fix their formating a few times iirc, do suggestions marked with this get deleted eventually?

[exotic stag]

yes i think they do

(also "halibit")

[earnest raptor]

amazing superboss

[hollow shell]

@muted geyser One last ping letting you know to fix the formatting error in your suggestion. You need to use a line break (Shift+Enter) rather than a bunch of Spaces, or else the bot cannot process it.

[muted geyser]

srry one sec

im pressing shift enter but it not doing anything

[crude geode]

There we go

[crude geode]

It’s less of a challenge and more of a chore ngl

[cobalt heath]

the auric just annoying pls no

i get the point but i dont wanna grind that hard anymore for auric stuff

like 4 bars were a 30min grind away before if you didnt have soulfragments or phantoplasm for example

[deft yew]

On a related note, please remove Phantoplasm from ASE

[frail mantle]

The main chunk of the auric bar material shitfucklery got moved from the bars to miracle matter

[crude geode]

Yeah, specifically so you don’t have to grind out like a 1000 of each material

I think this suggestion might be valid but at the same time, kinda just a cringe suggestion

@hollow shell Can you confirm latest sugg is valid?

[hollow shell]

@cobalt laurel Acknowledge [[Miracle Matter]] in your suggestion please

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Miracle_Matter

[earnest raptor]

I think Miracle Matter should just use post-ML materials

and not stuff like core of clamity or life bar

there is no challenge in obtaining them

why something like uelibloom is not used?

or exodium?

[rugged belfry]

I love games that make you grind for things, but Auric was just too much

[earnest raptor]

Eh

It's not the worst thing

[crude geode]

@idle rose It’s called Crystyl Crusher

[cobalt laurel]

Still is very easy to craft, and I still think it needs to be reverted back to the old recipe...

[hollow shell]

You.. see what Miracle Matter is, right? It is the old Auric Bar recipe

[rugged belfry]

Yeah...

[crude geode]

Can we have a pin saying no hardmode/pre-hardmode balance suggs for the time being (if that’s the usual thing)

unless I’m remembering wrong and the great hardmode/pre-hardmode rebalancing is not occurring

[exotic stag]

(malice )

[lunar sky]

I apologize if this comes across as really rude or anything, just giving my ideas on how to improve polter a bit.

[crude geode]

The clone used to be killable lol, it was honestly awful

[hollow shell]

It used to be killable, but Polter only took respectable damage while the clone was killed

So it just took forever

[crude geode]

Really just meant it tanked a shit ton of damage for polter

[exotic stag]

i realized icicle staff is literally just "weaker blizzard staff" its not even like theres less projectiles. theres still like minishark rate of projectiles.. maybe gonna sugg something about that if i can

[crude geode]

The fact I had to look up what you were talking about really goes to show the overuse of “insert ice related thing here [weapon type]” names

[rugged belfry]

Frost Staff, Icicle Staff, Blizzard Staff, Ice Rod

[lunar sky]

Yeah uh don’t do that

[crude geode]

Aside from that, difficulty is so subjective I can’t really judge this suggestion tbh

[lunar sky]

I think just having the clone reappear after you kill it would be fine as long as it has less health

[lunar sky]

Mhm

I just think having to fight 2 of the same boss at once just feels kinda cheap :/

[exotic stag]

yes this thing is very forgettable. i accidentally crafted it too so like

meh

[crude geode]

Hot take, all ice weapons are pretty forgettable

[exotic stag]

other then frost bolt

[lunar sky]

Pretty much

[rugged belfry]

Never used any of them other than the Frost Bolt

[crude geode]

Like the only modded ice weapons I can clearly remember are the one from permafrost that shoots out a paw because it’s neat and that’s literally all I thought about it, and the one dono one because it’s like pretty alone post ml

[exotic stag]

ice barrage?

[crude geode]

That’s the bitch

[deft yew]

Honestly the only ice weapon I ever use is Avalanche because it destroys Destroyer

[lunar sky]

Cooper’s staff is

The cryogenic thing

[grim tusk]

Frostcrunch

[worthy lintel]

We need a tally counter for how many times people suggested an Auric Slime

[rugged belfry]

The suggestion also has some random details. I don’t think you really need to include it being a mini-boss or the last sentence

[crude geode]

Isn’t this a don’t

It’s at least a frequently suggested, making it a don’t

[worthy lintel]

Meme aside I'm semi-certain a way to make Auric renewable is in the works

Since it's been asked so many times

[rugged belfry]

Most likely

[hollow shell]

@dusty path Next update

The shrinking of Auric veins in 1.5 was unintentional

[crude geode]

(Also this is a frequently suggested lol)

Oh wait was it recently removed? Could have sworn auric slime was on there

[dusty path]

Oh, ok

Thx

(i still want auric tesla slime)

[rugged belfry]

Cool, but not necessarily needed

[drowsy plank]

i dont think auric slime has any reason being a boss, but i completely agree with having some method of sustainable farming for the ore, there's literally no reason to to have that option considering literally every other ore in the game can be farmed

[opaque drum]

What's better, the slime saddle or the suspicious looking jelly bean.

[drowsy plank]

uh wrong channel but also the both have their own strengths and weaknesses, like bean working in water, and slime having the bounce off enemies, which i dont think bean has

also world hopping is a stupid argument to make resources unsustainable

you add an ore slime like every other ore? that's what the suggestion was asking for, unless i dont understand your question

[cobalt pewter]

don't make it slime 😔

slime format is overused

make these enemies unique maybe

(why are there so much ore slimes to begin with)

(not to question their purpose, but their design)

[dusty path]

Golem

[cobalt pewter]

golem?

the only ore that doesn't directly drop from slimes is Scoria, and that's because of the abyss design overall

[rugged belfry]

We need an Abyss slime obviously 🙄/nsrs

[modern dagger]

I still feel like being able to get auric ore through an enemy would be very nice

You would be able to do a proper no pickaxe pt without having to find your onyx excavator key

[cobalt rose]

why not make ores available through extractinating once requirements are met

[worthy lintel]

finding a godly ore make of quasi-divine energy in a random bunch of silt

[exotic stag]

ah yes

literal ore spawned from heaven after killing a jungle dragon. better grab some funny sand

[crude geode]

Is there any actual reason for Yharon being a “jungle” dragon, or is it just called that because it sounded cool, despite the fact that massive tornadoes of flame would be pretty harmful to a jungle teeming with plant life, including a giant flower boss.

[exotic stag]

yeah i tried to say that a long time ago

didnt go well

its apparently because "he can control his flames to not harm the jungle" or something

despite y'know

him literally sending out world size flarenados

[crude geode]

Kinda dense that despite his theming having nothing to do with the jungle (outside of lore which is likely heavily outdated), he’s somehow connected to it and only allowed to spawn there

[exotic stag]

(its probably related to yharim being "jungle tyrant" or something)

[frozen hornet]

Think it's just because he lives in the jungl

[crude geode]

The only reason he’s restricted to the jungle is cuz of the name jungle dragon

[frozen hornet]

truen

[hollow shell]

@regal ether You should at least mention that adding drill equivalents would provide consistency with vanilla
And/or bring up the fact that Calamity adds none so far and they could use some modded representation

Right now all you have is a really weak subjective opinion

@fast current It might help with, what? "fight coordination"?

[fast current]

now that i actually think about it, that was a pretty dumb request

[hollow shell]

m
You can just, tell them what the new name is

[fast current]

fair enough

[rugged belfry]

I miss Bumblebirb tbh

[frozen hornet]

Life seekers are the little drones that mess you up during the bullet hells right

[golden narwhal]

Ye though I'm not sure why they're surviving that long

[hollow idol]

damn, was gonna make a life seeker death suggestion today, I got beaten

since fodder boss servants have been being plucked off slowly (Seekers, Deus and Stasis probes, siren clones) maybe they can all be reviewed for how useful they are to fights then the obsolete ones can be removed all at once

[hollow shell]

Thank you @regal ether, the suggestion is a lot better now 👍

[small timber]

most boss servants just make slow attack speed weapon super unviable, they tend to be able to kill in 1-2 hits from fast weapon but they take an entire hit from slow weapons

[golden narwhal]

best update tbh

[safe oasis]

@dawn heath read pins

[dawn heath]

Okie

I'd like to know what I did wrong cuz I'm a little busy and will have to go to school soon

[frozen hornet]

You can't suggest specific items

[hollow shell]

That kind of suggestion with a name and recipe and such is what we call a Specific Item Suggestion

They aren't allowed anymore

[half sage]

also this wouldn't really work since relic stones aren't just stat boosts anymore except aero, they have new effects that don't really mesh together like the generic stat boosts did

[hollow shell]

You can suggest that an upgrade to HotE with the relic stones added to it
be added to the mod
But you're gonna need a lot more reasoning and you don't need specifications like a name or 5 ASE and 3 Cosmilite

[cobalt pewter]

suggesting to make the stones craftable into one is fine I think

but not to that specific

[dawn heath]

Alright, understood

I assume I can't just edit it, right?

[cobalt pewter]

add abyss related stone and make an infinity gauntlet

you can edit dw

[dawn heath]

Ok

[frozen hornet]

Elemental gauntlet but better

[dawn heath]

I'll think about it, but I gotta prepare for school rn. So yeah. I'll have to go

[cobalt pewter]

no worries

[languid quartz]

@hollow shell how are suggs specifically asking to balance something treated, like #suggestions-posting message ? should that be an ❗?

[hollow shell]

I have no fuckin idea

[languid quartz]

because that seems a bit specific

just ping xyk in dev or something :hdflr

[crude geode]

b4 everything was going on they would usually be passed along to a tester, but if something similar to post-ml rebalancing is occurring for hardmode than it should probably be put in a pin

[keen zealot]

Provide a New, Weaker Version of Counter Scarf That Is Craftable In Expert Mode
it's called shield of cthulhu, learn to use it

[hollow shell]

The sugg does discuss SoC quite extensively, so

[crude geode]

Me when someone says skill issue for the 287473938th time in response to someone struggling 😒

also yeah that comment kinda just disregards the entire content of the sugg in favor of making fun of the title

[keen zealot]

that's kind of the point, yeah

I find the claim that counter scarf is equal in power to the shield laughable

SoC will have niche uses where it's suddenly amazing

but there are very few of those, and its primary mechanic often breaks and actively works against you

[crude geode]

You can also just you know

Nerf the cooldown of counter scarf?

[small timber]

if the suggestion didnt make it obvious enough, SoC is way better than Counter Scarf in almost every way (except against pure projectile boss like WoF)

the suggestion is mostly to stop the constant complain to add Counter Scarf back to rev, with at least a solid enough reason to back it up

[lusty iris]

but shield is better though? what are you smoking LOL

[keen zealot]

better in specific scenarios*

[lusty iris]

better in every scenario besides raw projectiles

and some worms

[keen zealot]

in other situations shield can singlehandedly end your entire career, such as against clustered groups (evil bosses) and against WoF

unless you fixed the bounce

and made it so that it no longer sometimes just breaks and dashes through enemies

[lusty iris]

shield's still better vs evil bosses doe

besides like perfs

[sand condor]

Counter Scarf is better for it's longer dash and the dodge ability, while shield of cuthulu is better in some scenarios when you want to bash into an enemy and get yourself knocked back out of the enemy

So it's a dodge without moving forward

[keen zealot]

the shield bash is only really useful for those few bosses that dash mostly horizontally like qb or duke

else it's just chip damage and/or putting yourself unnecessarily close to the enemy

[lusty iris]

they have the same exact dash distance

[sand condor]

Ah I see

Just the dodge then

I always thought the scarf dashed longer

[lusty iris]

in very, very old versions yes but that hasn't been the case for a while now

a 15 second cooldown I frame is generally worse in most scenarios than a bash that gives i frames with the only cooldown being when you can dash again

[keen zealot]

however, you have to put yourself closer to the enemy to get those iframes, and there're only a couple

[lusty iris]

when almost every boss attacks by moving themselves into you that's a moot point of being closer

[keen zealot]

there are only a couple bosses that move fast enough in the correct direction for your fewer than five iframes to come in handy

and even then some of them are big enough where that still doesn't matter

for some of the ones that do work you have to unintuitively dash away for it to work

[lusty iris]

not really you can just bash through eye, qb, brain phase 2 skeletron, hive mind, twins, prime limbs, cryogen, and calamitas with no effort and any boss after you've already upgraded to asgard's valor or ornate shield

[keen zealot]

but that's not shield of cthulhu

[lusty iris]

whereas scarf is better on like uhh wall destroyer and plantera

[keen zealot]

that's those items

[lusty iris]

dog what

"that's not shield of cthulhu that's those items"

yeah shield of cthulhu

[keen zealot]

after you've already upgraded to asgard's valor or ornate shield
?

[lusty iris]

yeah bosses after that point

because you get asgard's valor after plantera

I forgot you get asgard's valor pre eye of cthulhu

[keen zealot]

again, unless calamity changes SoC in some way not mentioned clearly, it straight up won't work in over half of these situations

and it's not exactly great in mobbing either

[lusty iris]

it literally does work in those situations though?????????????

counter scarf's only advantage is against projectiles but this is a game where most bosses's most threatening attacks are the contact damage so

[ruby plover]

i disagree with the point of "most bosses most threatening attacks are the contact damage"... especially when considering calamity

[lusty iris]

eh I find most bosses contact damage to be the most threatening part

with a couple exceptions like scal or brimmy (and then providence who literally can't deal contact damage 💀)

[ruby plover]

well usually (with exceptions) i think contact damage does more damage than projectiles typically, so it can be that sometimes that makes it more threatening

[lusty iris]

ye

also probably biased as somebody who plays a lot of bullet hells but most projectile attacks aren't that threatening or hard to dodge imo

[ruby plover]

yeah probably some bias there

[crude geode]

Yeah shield of Cthulhu definitely has a higher skill ceiling than counter scarf ngl

also shield of Cthulhu is useful against a good chunk of the pre-hm bosses so uh

[ruby plover]

SoC is focused on timing and the speed of the thing you parry (e.g. duke fishron 3rd phase) but counter scarf is just. run at thing that would hurt you. it doesn't hurt you

[lusty iris]

shield of cthulhu is harder to use but has much higher reward compared to scarf

[crude geode]

I think it’s fine to allow players the choice without forcing them to go through malice mode ngl

[cobalt pewter]

SoC I find is more reliable at phm, with more bosses focusing on contact

[ruby plover]

ye

[cobalt pewter]

while I despise suggs about returning challenge items back to how they were, having an SoC alternative could be nice indeed

variety is the spice of life

[crude geode]

Actual Variety* is the spice of life

I really don’t need 10 ice magic weapons after defeating cryogen

[cobalt pewter]

i'm saying the quote without any alterations

but yes

post-ML desperately needs variety I think imo

[crude geode]

Dash alternates are usually 1v1 options so it’s nice to have them

Indeed

Your options are pretty linear with like only mage and summoner getting alternative sets (with summoner’s kinda being dogshit now ngl)

[distant gyro]

counter scarf turning into a normal mode item

[cobalt pewter]

[silver silo]

playing normal mode

[ruby plover]

based suggestion

[crude geode]

from a likely incredibly outdated lore perspective I realize that yharon was like born in the jungle or whatever and yharim took over the place, but that really doesn't explain how the entire place hasn't burned down from a giant fire breathing dragon

[short walrus]

iirc (and i probably dont) the jungle is pretty much all that's left

[cobalt pewter]

just rewrite the lore

smh

"Yharon the Tyrant's Dragon" would've been cooler and better iirc

[ruby plover]

Ooooo “yharon the Tyrant”s Dragon” sounds really good

[cobalt pewter]

(why do yharon and provi names need a comma anyways? i feel like that's always been really jarring to me)

[ruby plover]

I feel like putting that in your suggestion would be cool

[cobalt pewter]

specific is a no iirc

[ruby plover]

Oh, I mean like saying “changing it to something like (name) or something else”

[cobalt pewter]

but elaborating on the relationship between Yharon and Yharim for the new name could maybe work?

[ruby plover]

Yea

[crude geode]

I feel like giving every single boss a name the size of a goddamn kingdom hearts’ game title makes it annoying more than epic ngl

[small timber]

(name, title) and (title, name) I think

[cobalt pewter]

i feel like a comma is redundant when you're already using "The"

idk just me maybe

[crude geode]

Signus, Envoy of the Devourer needs a comma because it’s essentially completely separate.

[cobalt pewter]

yeah, even then Signus still feels weird and a bit long

just Signus would've been more than enough

[distant gyro]

epithets moment

[crude geode]

Indeed I like that about Signus because it’s excessively extra and that entertains me that this void creature enslaved to the devoured is a extra bitch, but I can see it being annoying especially with all the other titles

[distant gyro]

for the 3 things that have them

[crude geode]

Speaking of garbage names

[cobalt pewter]

both CV and SW have names alluding to their behavior and visual in a way

[crude geode]

Can we just fucking call it polterghast yet

[cobalt pewter]

meanwhile Signus is

yes

[crude geode]

Unless you specifically know the story the details literally make no fucking sense

[cobalt pewter]

don't get me wrong, Signus is hella fucking cool, but the given name doesn't serve it justice

[crude geode]

Fair

[cobalt pewter]

byeah, polter

the funny

[crude geode]

It feels like a goddamn shitpost fanship

[cobalt pewter]

man

[ashen warren]

Wym

[cobalt pewter]

that's actually spot on

[distant gyro]

polterghast, necroghast, necroplasm

[cobalt pewter]

I feel like memorable bosses in gaming always have simple names

[ashen warren]

Why does he have 3 names?

[cobalt pewter]

read the currently garbage lore

[distant gyro]

sprite name vs code name

real life lore

[cobalt pewter]

cue that damn music for lore videos

god

that's actually horrendous

a Frankenstein of names

[crude geode]

Literally crackshipping the names together

[ashen warren]

Why not just

Call it necroghast for all 3 phases

Or whatever it is

[cobalt pewter]

ah yes

the ship name

[crude geode]

funny

[cobalt pewter]

funny indeed

[ashen warren]

Agreed

[crude geode]

I’m not going to lie and say I don’t prefer the name necroplasm but I feel like we should just have the name stay polterghast through the 3 phases

Considering it is what the entire community calls the boss

Realistically you also get away with the original reference to the sprite name with necroplasmic beacon

[cobalt pewter]

just checked and provi's name is "Providence, the Profaned Goddess"

the fucking comma irks me

lol

[crude geode]

Same

[earnest raptor]

those are all artifacts of 2018

[crude geode]

Indeed

[earnest raptor]

it's same category as profaned enemies

[distant gyro]

draconics are too weak to be a miniboss

roughly as strong as a scorn eater

[rose latch]

@ashen warren this also applies to shadow potions, the invis potion upgrade, so maybe mention that in your suggestion

also the effect does disable itself in bossfights already but it is annoying in other areas of the game too

[ashen warren]

Okay

[ashen warren]

And no, it don't for me

[rose latch]

do you have stealth fade off?

mine disables whenever i summon a boss

but i still have the buff

it does for shadow potion

im pretty sure it does for normal invis too

[small timber]

shadow and invis just should not give invis in calamity

the invis serve 0 purpose but purely visual effect (a disruption one too)

[rugged belfry]

What it actually does I have only seen used for getting truffle worms. So, mostly useless.

[small timber]

does anyone feel like a suggestion to nerf Malice Astrum Aureus is like the only one beside BoC that deserves a nerf?

I beat it on tier, but it is not a fun fight,whatsoever

[frozen hornet]

Malicious oreos is a pain yea

same with bone mark two

(and of course both of them have rogue drops so rogue suffers a ton)

[exotic stag]

i found malice aureus kinda eas

easy

[grim tusk]

Cobalt kunai + shit ton of mobility

but Aureus is painful as fuck

since normally its just duststom/freq. manipulator just delete em

but rdr

[ashen warren]

YO

2 YHARONS WHAT THE FUCK

[pure plinth]

That's worrying.

[ashen warren]

WE BEAT BOTH OF THEMM

YOOOOOOOOO

[small timber]

sorry but what is bone mark two?

also aureus is even more painful if you don't use sandstorm jump, it just outspeed you 100% of the time

[grim tusk]

Prime

[small timber]

wait prime is that bad? in my fight he is not bad at all

unless you are trying to no hit hm

unless it is rogue specific

[grim tusk]

rogue's only viable weapon pre-any mech vs Prime on stealth is kunais

the rest are just Atrocious

[small timber]

oh ya I can see that, because I was using seasearing so I had a good time

[grim tusk]

Maybe not Burning strife as it isnt that bad (as long as you don't miss lmao)

[gray nebula]

Malice Moment

[deft yew]

Trying to think of a way to address the stupid amount of Hellstone across Calamity recipes

My first idea was make hellstone drop from Charred Slimes?

[grim tusk]

Slimes boring

Can we replace Cryonic slimes for golems?

[deft yew]

ikr

Or just make charred and hellstone drop from Despair Stones instead

Then we can remove Charred Slime

[grim tusk]

Actually yea why tf do they do not drop charred ore lmao

Or brimstone slag at least

[deft yew]

Now that we’re on this topic, is it just me or are there a TON of Calamity enemies that don’t need to exist?

[worthy ferry]

Examples ?

[deft yew]

Overloaded Soldier, Phantom Debris, Sunskater, Shockstorm Shuttle, Heat Spirit, Box Jelly, Moray Eel, Frogfish

Cnidrion

[worthy ferry]

Sunskater is required in calamity. It's cute and makes me feel bad for killing it
!

[deft yew]

That’s about as good an argument as putting Spooky Wood in the Necroplasmic Beacon because the tooltip says “It’s spooky”

[worthy ferry]

Leave sunskater alone

[deft yew]

Anyway…

Sand Tortoise

Blight Slimes are rough territory

Lemme just pull the wiki up

!wiki enemies

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Enemies

[deft yew]

Aquatic Seeker, Sea Urchin, Calamity Eye

Sea Floaty(?)

Cryon, Crystal Crawler, Cultist Assassin

Should I stop?

[crude geode]

Mfw not every enemy contributes to immense lore

Some are there just to add to the thematic of a biome, or so there isn’t a whopping two enemies in a biome (Ocean)

[deft yew]

Ocean is probably fair

[crude geode]

Same with Space

There’s 2 enemies there, harpies and wyverns in hardmode

[deft yew]

Sunskater is fine

But shockstorm shuttle

[crude geode]

Adds to thematics of yknow

Fucking Space

[deft yew]

At least nerf or rework it

It’s a bit much lol

At least with space gravity going on

(and it’s hard to hit because it’s unpredictable)

[fossil bronze]

why is the cultist assassin tied to crags and dungeon
i thought dungeon/cultists were supposed to be tied to abyss/eidolons

[crude geode]

If you’re in space without a hook that’s kinda your problem

[deft yew]

It’s tied to crags because it drops essence of chaos and it simply looks right to be there…

Which honestly, just resprite it

[crude geode]

Just resprites it when there’s a thousand other more pressing resprites

[fossil bronze]

it just really doesn't fit in the dungeon rn imo
it doesn't match the other cultists or the dungeon

some kind of brimstone cultist does make some sense
but it should probably just spawn in crags

[crude geode]

Overloaded Debris + friends would be fine if post-ml dungeon wasn’t such a shit show

In terms of just copy paste ectoplasm

You could have some possessed enemies in each biome if you wanted, showing the dungeon’s influence is kinda creeping out into the world

[deft yew]

A good chunk of enemies exist partially just to drop this one item that you can grind in far bigger numbers the next biome over

[crude geode]

or

yknow

to expand a biome to not have 2 actual enemies (ocean, space)

[deft yew]

Doesn’t ocean have a little more than that or have I forgotten

Shark, pink jelly, crab, sea snail, squid

[crude geode]

crabs barely move towards you, sea snails are goddamn snails, and squids never fucking appear

[deft yew]

True

Crabs are useless entirely, while snails and squids exist for dye and that’s it

[crude geode]

yep

[deft yew]

But you can’t just remove vanilla content

[crude geode]

while they could be buffed having fodder enemies is fine imo because it's literally wildlife that barely interacts with a godly terrarian

ofc they don't have the hostility of a shark

[deft yew]

afaik vanilla otherwise is good at making enemies not fodder

Except black slimes, screw black slimes

[fossil bronze]

i'd compare stuff like the sea floaty to critters

but without critter ai

[deft yew]

Sea floaty is certified stupidity

It literally exists just to NOT serve a purpose

[crude geode]

^^^^^^

[deft yew]

True

But couldn’t you make it actually a critter?

[fossil bronze]

critters function on their ai iirc

but birds exist so idk

it's probably possible

[deft yew]

Grasshoppers use slime AI

It’s definitely possible

[fossil bronze]

oh yeah

i forgot about that

[deft yew]

Truffle worms flee

That sort of thing

[exotic stag]

holon how did this thing get in? wasnt it exclammed or?

[ashen warren]

Because he likes it

Funny light mode joke number 827494

[grim tusk]

Actually yea how the hell did any regular here not ping rover lmao

[fossil finch]

Ever since 1.5 dropped a lot of suggs that shouldn't have passed have

[grim tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/so-true-gif-24068595

[fossil finch]

atMods do your work!!!!!!1!1! Smhmhmh

[ashen warren]

Wonder why

All the dumbasses were summoned by the update

Should calm down

[grim tusk]

When will bad sugg season end

[ashen warren]

When the kiddies go back to doing something else

[crude geode]

pretty sure rover asked it to be edited but it just never was?

@hollow shell Did you mean to not exclaim the suggestion that is now in voting

[deft yew]

@heady nova
Scarf and SoC are equally viable, it all comes down to playstyle
As for actual dodges, relying on RNG is terrible game design. I find dodges a lot more useful in their current state. Making the cooldowns any shorter might end up making them overpowered.

Ok I should have worded that a little differently

[rugged belfry]

I’ve never seen anything posted in #suggestions-posting that didn’t get any criticism from this channel. Which, ig, is a good thing

[ashen warren]

There's been loads

Like

Loads

[grim tusk]

I agree that the dodging/reflecting accs’s other capabilities should be buffed a bit (the only good ones atm are the ink bomb line, statis belt (but not void sash) and evasion scarf lmao)

[rugged belfry]

Ig I just don’t pay attention much

[deft yew]

Isn’t that pretty much the whole selection though?

Actually no that’s all the dodges. Reflects DO need buffs

Hard buffs

[grim tusk]

All dodges but fucking Spectral veil which is still shit

And got worse with dodge rework

As before it was the only guaranteed dodge

[deft yew]

Spectral veil…

Talk about gimmick garbage

[grim tusk]

And now its just worse abyssal mirror

Void sash needs a fat buff, theres no reason to use it over asgardian’s parry which is a godsend vs Yharon and Exos, vs Scal its a tossup as shorter dash often better but dodging a moon also good.

And with rogue theres no reason to run void sash when you already have EMirror

[deft yew]

I was using sash on Exos for the dash length, but taking knockback drove me crazy

[grim tusk]

Same, as well as debuffs, not being able to ram through thanathos among other stuff

[deft yew]

T Hanos Beam is more than hard enough to escape already

kekw

[hollow shell]

Meh

[cobalt pewter]

Master Ninja Gear line needs to have a new gimmick starting from its first upgrade

tbh

other dashes are either more preferable or popular because they have a unique gimmick to it

counter / evasion scarves have the dodge, SoC has the bonk, and Ornate Shield line have rams

meanwhile statis ninja belt thingy? hehe far

just that

[hollow shell]

Void Sash has damaging projectiles

So maybe Statis's Ninja Belt could get a weaker version of that

[cobalt pewter]

not a fan of those, you already deal infinitely more DPS than what the void sash projectiles are trying to give

[deft yew]

They’re so weak yeah

[cobalt pewter]

is tabi dash speed affected by movement speed bonuses?

[deft yew]

Could buff their damage, then make Ninja Belt dashes throw gel balls everywhere or smth

[crude geode]

master ninja gear is just like really weird for it's point in progression

[deft yew]

Because it gets upgraded instantly

[cobalt pewter]

Ninja Belt should be a bit later in progression imo

[ashen warren]

stuff like that is always too weak or good enough to where you always run it

[earnest raptor]

Passive damage is feared by clamity because it encourages facetanking

[muted geyser]

im going to expend this 7 min timer before i figure out how to make the title white someone help

[golden narwhal]

Your weapons suggestion was already sent to sugg voting before

[muted geyser]

oh wait it was?

i thought i did the shift tab thingy wrong

[golden narwhal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/923298871856205854

Just took a while because ye, that ig

[muted geyser]

well dang i am terribly srry the new one is deleted ma bad

[golden narwhal]

all good

[granite sphinx]

heyo, gonna suggest Cosmilite Bars get a drop increase

ive had to kill DoG about 10 times now just for cosmilite, and i still need more

im thinking 3x droprate, thoughts on that?

[ruby plover]

I feel like I could flesh out my idea a bit better but I also wrote this on mobile (which I can edit on not mobile if it got problems or can in fact be fleshed out more)

[gray nebula]

extra projectiles just for the sake of looking stronger is kinda boring

not just being a stat blend would be goo d tho

[ruby plover]

actually yeah true

[grim tusk]

Pre-1.5 equiver was the laptop melter

And melter of every cpu if used with gale

I’d like for ranger to not go rogue’s overused “more projectiles” route

[granite sphinx]

added suggestion about cosmilite

[grim tusk]

I’d like to see accs about point blank shots

And maybe those going into gale

There was a rumor where a dimension with cosmilite ore was planned

[ruby plover]

i added a small point at the end about that because thats a cool idea

[deft yew]

in that case we simply hunker down until 1.6

[grim tusk]

But yea bumping the drop rate to at least 50 cosmilite bars from DoG

Would be nice

[deft yew]

it would also make sense

[granite sphinx]

yeah you need so damn many

[deft yew]

because DoG is incredibly long

[granite sphinx]

true

back to grinding dog for cosmilite now

@haughty fox if im needed

what

theres a dude named me in here?

[deft yew]

kekw

[ruby plover]

yeah i accidentally pinged someone once with some random assortment of letters as a name by accidentally fumbling the keyboard

[crude geode]

We kinda have a bloated number of ores underground ngl

[deft yew]

correct

[ruby plover]

yeah, especially with hardmode rework adding all 6 hardmode ores and them being in huge quantities

[deft yew]

now that i think about it

might cal make all basic ores generate in one world in the future?

copper/tin

etc.

[ruby plover]

oh god please no that would be so much ore

[cobalt pewter]

also kills world variety

[deft yew]

true

[cobalt pewter]

i've pressed on this a couple times, but absolutely everything doesn't need to be available in a single world

[deft yew]

except if you keep it that way it could be very hard to balance a few things

[cobalt pewter]

like evil biome content

corruption and crimson content absolutely do not need to coexist in a single world

[deft yew]

e.g. if copper gives mining speed but tin gives armor penetration

obviously everyone goes for tin

[cobalt pewter]

Red makes a mistake in making these alts by making them stronger than original ones

[deft yew]

[cobalt pewter]

and while he tries to entice players to use the new ores, yes that happened. but that also makes the older ores obsolete

those should've been use for a balanced variety option

[deft yew]

minecraft doesn't have this issue because there are no alts and every new item gets a unique use

except gold tools

[cobalt pewter]

but i know full well they won't remove evil island because boohoo my crimson content in my corruption world

[deft yew]

boohoo people hating the superior evil option because it doesn't have vampire knives

[cobalt pewter]

red has a plaguing issue that persists throughout Terraria: he never went and backtrack with older content

[deft yew]

exactly

[cobalt pewter]

shoutout to frickin bloody machete

[deft yew]

relogic just throws new ingredients into the blender without thinking how they counter the mix that's already there

[fossil finch]

Boohoo people hating superior evil option because of no reason at all like corruption sucks bro

[deft yew]

calamity:

[fossil finch]

(I am legally required to say /s /j /s /j

[deft yew]

oh alr

note to self: always look for the tax evasion

[grim tusk]

It does already with the planetoids

[deft yew]

Oh I forgor

Do they always generate the opposites, or just all of them

[grim tusk]

Opposites

[deft yew]

[grim tusk]

I wonder if we should ever get a cosmilite or auric pickaxe.
The speed of astral pick (or more) + their power would be extremely helpful for excavating a huge area fucking draedon arena

Also why are ancient fossil and archaic power limited to underground only anyways

Oh wait my other sugg went into voting already, time to type

[small timber]

is there any mining speed accessories except for archaic powder?

since ambrosial ampoulse lose it

[grim tusk]

@astral yoke never happening

Godslayer is epic btw

That dash requires skill but boy its juicy

If you want a revive theres nebulous core

[astral yoke]

it is literally objectively worse than silva in terms of stats

😭

[grim tusk]

Yea but theres no darksun tier anymore

Makes sense

[astral yoke]

this is so frustrating dude

mfw i expected to go into yharon with silva

[grim tusk]

All of darksun is now cosmilite tier or auric

[astral yoke]

little did i know

i guess i’ll just

play on an older update idk

[grim tusk]

(The darksun items that are auric are sun beacons, climax, dragonfruit and the Yharon drops)

[earnest raptor]

Gold tools are useful for speedrunning and enchantments

Also I remember than gold armor has innate explosion resistance

[astral yoke]

i know, i saw.

[grim tusk]

On a speedrun the first pick you make is cobalt iirc

Who needs any pickaxe before when you can just explode

[earnest raptor]

not echraria speedrun

[grim tusk]

Just read the reply (didnt load before) lol

Minecraft is craft wooden, mine 3 blocks and ditch it

Then use the wooden pick to smelt the 3 iron you mined and ditch stone

[crude geode]

@hollow shell exclaim #suggestions-posting message because it’s bringing back removed content?

[earnest raptor]

Okay, that's offtopic, let's get back to existential suffering that is post-DoG.

[astral yoke]

”lets make the armor post moon lord available to all classes”
”ok sounds reasonable”
”not the one before yharon.”
”wh-“
”not the one before yharon.”

[grim tusk]

Its better, gives the class more sense of uniqueness

[crude geode]

^

[grim tusk]

Now we wait til we get that penumbra armor darksun upgrade

[astral yoke]

then don’t make it a thing in the first place

[half sage]

make new armor set
do half of a boss fight
make new armor

[earnest raptor]

The one thing that is wrong with SilvaGunner armor is than chestplate and greaves have better stats than God Slayer ones.

[grim tusk]

Do you know how fucking old those sets are

[cobalt pewter]

i wanna repost a sugg i made about that now

might need to dig a bit tho

[astral yoke]

yeah but what does it have to do with the option being there to begin with

[grim tusk]

Well ofc, mage and summoner need a way to not get one tapped lol

[grim tusk]

It made sense back then, but now it didnt

[astral yoke]

h o w

[earnest raptor]

I mean damage, crit and movement speed

[astral yoke]

w h a t

[crude geode]

A boss fight being split in two was fucking weird

[cobalt pewter]

Add an upgrade to Umbraphile Armor made out of Darksun Fragments.

Umbraphile armor is a great and relatively unique HM rogue armor that can last a good while. This is what post-ML feels relatively lacking in comparison to HM: Proper single class, unique armors.

Adding a post-ML upgrade to Umbraphile made with Darksun Fragments would not only be an remarkably matching thematic, but also giving way to more single class armors on post-ML, following Fearmonger (somewhat) and Prismatic.

[crude geode]

and having it stop you just to run through some event

[cobalt pewter]

last time it was stuck in approval hell

[grim tusk]

Fearmong is tank set

[astral yoke]

at this point i’d remove the fkn godslayer set and make silva the post DoG armor

because it’s just better

[grim tusk]

But it used to give so many minion slots the player base thinks its still summoner

[cobalt pewter]

i guess fearmonger being a single class is kinda moot now, since the summon stats is nerfed

yea

i copied straight out of the old sugg

will make a new one soon

[earnest raptor]

I mean, in 1.4 melee and summoner is a viable setup

[astral yoke]

i’m doing pure melee i don’t rlly wanna use summoner

but that’s a me problem i guess

[earnest raptor]

I don't see how tank summoner is weird

[grim tusk]

lets not go into whip talk and summon SGM, the aftermath is nothing any regular wants to experience again

[astral yoke]

does melee inherently mean tank now?

[grim tusk]

No lmao

[astral yoke]

i’m all lucky accessories

[small timber]

after trying it out god slayer dash is WAY better than the old silva revive

[earnest raptor]

What

[astral yoke]

i want to not get one tapped either

[small timber]

like in every single way possible

[grim tusk]

Melee has a variety of playstyles

[astral yoke]

DoG one tapped me so many times it’s absurd

[small timber]

you just have to get accustomed to using it

[astral yoke]

now yharons gonna come in and beat my ass in because i’m still wearing godslayer

😭

[small timber]

if silva revive is not 1 time per life it will be another argument

god slayer is as strong as silva in terms of tier

[astral yoke]

it should be 1 time per life

[grim tusk]

Heck its prob the second class with the most setup and playstyle variety, but nothing fucking beats rogue and its accs bloat

[astral yoke]

silva is better

stat wise

i looked

[grim tusk]

Thats a problem of you running glass cannon

[astral yoke]

yeah

[grim tusk]

A rookie mistake

[astral yoke]

YEAH

EXACTLY THOUGH

silva FIXED that

[small timber]

silva and god slayer is separate class, you cannot really compare the stat

[astral yoke]

now i do not have the option

[grim tusk]

How tf

[half sage]

if you want a revive run neb core

[astral yoke]

it got invulnerability wdym how tf

[grim tusk]

Yharon still fucking deleted you if you ran glass

[small timber]

it is like saying god slayer is better because it has higher crit compare to summoner armors

[crude geode]

So what you’re saying is you used Silva as a crutch to justify running glass cannon

[astral yoke]

yeah but i can stick around longer with silva

yes

[grim tusk]

Ok this boils down to git gud lmao

[astral yoke]

but that’s also the same reason someone said mage needed it

[astral yoke]

pretty sure it was you actually

so

uh

by that logic

[small timber]

if you are going glass cannon you make your choice to be fragile, you literally can go the polar opposite and not care about taking too much hit

[astral yoke]

mage and summoner need to

😭

[grim tusk]

Silva also fits mage and summoner due to lore

Silva was a powerful dryad

[small timber]

if you decide to just be fragile then your only choice is git gud, otherwise just go full warding and tank

[astral yoke]

that’s so unfun though

[grim tusk]

And i was referring to stats, not the revive

[cobalt pewter]

if you're expecting glass cannon and crutch mechanics together, this mod is probably not the place

gonna be dead honest

[small timber]

fun is subjective (getting 1 tapped is not fun to me), but like I said, you have the freedom of choice to be glassy or tanky

[cobalt pewter]

this mod has a fetish for making the stupidest challenges possible

(malice)

[small timber]

no one is forcing you to do defiled armageddon

[astral yoke]

yeah they get BOTH though

[grim tusk]

I r o n H e a r t

[astral yoke]

the stats and the revive

[cobalt pewter]

Iron Heart atm isn't fleshed out enough to be good enough for a challenge mod

rn it's just discount arma that lets you proc % hp based stuff

[astral yoke]

i wanna know the stats of the silva armors melee helm i genuinely forget

[grim tusk]

And here you only said stats, not abilities

[hollow shell]

Well comparing the old melee helm to the new Silva set would be an unfair comparison, cuz it's now a tier lower

[small timber]

although the stats might be an oversight but that will be no way near the problem, god slayer dash is so much better compare to silva revive

[astral yoke]

that wasn’t me

lol

[hollow shell]

Storm dementia

[grim tusk]

Wrong reply lmao

[astral yoke]

i also mentioned the stats though

i said the stats of the silva chest and leggings were just

objectively better than godslayer

[grim tusk]

But then funny setbonuses

[astral yoke]

it’s not even defense that’s the problem there

[small timber]

summoner cannot use crit chance whatsoever, mage just for some reason always get higher crit chance overall

[astral yoke]

they just get more damage

[small timber]

so I guess the devs just decide to not adjust for it

[grim tusk]

Setbonuses

[earnest raptor]

It's just a problem of inconsistency

[grim tusk]

^

[earnest raptor]

That could be fixed if devs actually bothered to check post-ML armors

[grim tusk]

Which they did (and Demonshade is no longer dmon)
Nerfed a lot but makes sense

[astral yoke]

yo isn’t the setbonus literally just the dash or am i missing something

[hollow shell]

It's a damage difference of 3%, and also 3% crit chance

[grim tusk]

Theres more

Ranger gets more projectiles

Rogue gets stealth and other shit

[hollow shell]

Melee has thorns and proj release on hit too

And allows tanking of all damage under 80

[small timber]

the main thing is still the dash

and it is good

[astral yoke]

hm

lemme see the melee set bonus

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[crude geode]

Literally the bottom line

[grim tusk]

Scroll more

[stable crane]

happy holidays

sorry if this bother the talk

[astral yoke]

okay, so

[earnest raptor]

It still gives 10 minion slots

[astral yoke]

i read it

[astral yoke]

and the melee setbonus at least

[grim tusk]

[astral yoke]

does not actually give any flat damage buffs and i’m like

almost certain silva did

[earnest raptor]

Nah

[small timber]

only summoner did no? other class just have stats on helm

[hollow shell]

Probably a "after the revive has been triggered" thing

[small timber]

ya or that

[earnest raptor]

Auric did give you shitton of damage on full HP

[grim tusk]

no more ridiculous contact dmg though

[astral yoke]

regardless i’d rather have the revive because i already have an evasion scarf

but that’s a build thing

so it won’t always apply

[small timber]

you realise now you can have... two dodge? (sorry was referring to evasion scarf and god slayer dash)

[grim tusk]

Why are you using scarf so late? If true melee maybe but just use celestial shell

[small timber]

it is not like one override the other

[grim tusk]

Cant*

[astral yoke]

i like the dodge

it helps out a lot when i’m stuck

[grim tusk]

Just use void sash