suggestions-discussion

[gray nebula]

yeah true i agree with that

[exotic stag]

why not remove calamity then if its painful

[oak sage]

rn im struggling with twins. im using whips for speed and the excalibur. Might also use the brand of the inferno

once plantera is dead, i can obtain the keybrand and a bit later the horseman's blade. then i can also get some more whips and move on to the final true melee weapon in vanilla terraria, the starlight

[gray nebula]

but i mean, saying one thing is too much effort doesnt mean that everything is too much effort lolll

i mean it could be nice to have a list of "nonimportant" projectiles to be able to use them for a lot of stuff but i mean wow there are a lot of projectiles

and itd break with other mods

[oak sage]

so thats my true melee 1.4 playthrough in a nut

[earnest raptor]

whitelist could be combined with size check and hurtbox

[oak sage]

the oof ouch owie box

[gray nebula]

last time we tried to make smth that can clear projectiles it was the relic of resilience and then it broke a lot of stuff like minions and important projectiles and thats a fail

[earnest raptor]

isn't crossmod is generally treated as sin in community?

[gray nebula]

bruh

[exotic stag]

why not just set up like grouping a bunch of projectiles together in one group

then have that one group be like

say uh

bolts or smn

[gray nebula]

i mean ideally calamity doesnt let you easily bypass a big boss in another mod

and also i mean idk just looking at the size feels too patch of a solution

basically : its a lot of effort for a solution that probably would work, but there are easier to implement alternatives so lets look at those first

👍

[small timber]

let's say you can counter yharon bullet hell fire balls: how many projectiles are you allowed to knock back, all of it?

[gray nebula]

gotta manage the time and effort of the team yknow not just pour it all into making a complicated system just to make true melee more viable if in the end its still not appealing to most of the melee audience

[small timber]

thats the issue there

[gray nebula]

especially if the team could spend less time doing smth thatd make more people want to play true melee

i mean thats just how i see it

im not a melee player anyways summoner is cooler & funnier

[fossil bronze]

speaking of cross mod stuff
thorium has some items that interact with spears, flails and martian weapons and most calam spears work with it, but flails and martian drops dont

[earnest raptor]

every projectile that is caught in sword's hitbox

[fossil bronze]

can i suggest that martian weapons and flails be made functional since there seems to be precedent

[gray nebula]

idk how that stuff works

maybe its not specifically coded to work with thorium but its just that spears have a way to recognize them or smth

[small timber]

so what you mean is if you keep swinging the entire yharon bullet hell projectile should be trivialized>

[oak sage]

im usually summoner. i hope that that new 1.4 summoner rework mod will have calamity support because the AI changes are great. it makes summoner have more control over the minions and makes it feel a lot more fleshed out

[gray nebula]

[earnest raptor]

on cooldown, of course

[gray nebula]

awesome (,

[small timber]

then you will end up getting hit anyway because they come in waves

[gray nebula]

just dodge

L

[earnest raptor]

okay, I just thought of something

[small timber]

and let's say if you are not true melee, you can just use it to swat away projectile with other classes

[earnest raptor]

maybe dashes with iframes or something?

right click and you thurst forward with your oversized sword

[gray nebula]

omg yes so true

thats p much exactly the kind of solution i was advocating for

weapons with integrated movement and iframes

[sleek wadi]

If the projectile swat away cooldown only ticks down while the weapon is out then other classes can't use... not that they'd think to lets be real

[gray nebula]

slash through an enemy and then have cool afterimages deal extra dmg like the first fractal but cool

[small timber]

people hold portal gun to drop faster, they will (ab)use it trust me

[sleek wadi]

Lionheart negates a 3rd of each BH no matter who you are and no one thinks to use it

[small timber]

lionheart is also super late game, and now I think malice drop

from scal

[sleek wadi]

No its a post-polter purchase from cyborg

[small timber]

oh wait wrong weapon

[gray nebula]

fail

thats gaels greatsword

[earnest raptor]

that's a problem with terraria's class system having no restrictions

[sleek wadi]

Also its true melee, you using that cheese option is cutting into your all-valuable deeps if you aren't true memee anyway

[fossil bronze]

why is astral arcanum tele and the celestial jewel tele seperate

keybinds

[small timber]

I think lion heart is more that people don't know it exist

[fossil bronze]

nobodys gonna have jewel and arcanum at the same time

[small timber]

it comes from cyborg

[oak sage]

list of true melee weapons in hardmode 1.4 by my definition:

the hardmore ore swords and spears, excluding chlorophyte stuff

Obsidian Swordfish

Mushroom Spear

Jousting Lance

slap hand, classy cane, and pearlwood sword (overpowered)

phasesaber

Breaker Blade

Firecracker

Cool Whip

Cutlass

Bladetongue

Hambat

Fetid Baghnakhs

--POST ONE MECH--

Excalibur

Hallowed Jousting Lance (I love the lances so much they are obviously impractical but damage scaling with movement is a really fun concept)

Gungnir

Durendal

Brand of the Inferno

Ghastly Glaive

--POST MECHS--

The Horseman's Blade

Dark Harvest

Keybrand

Shadow Jousting Lance

Morning Star

Psycho Knife

(Kaleidoscope counts but I have it banned. way too OP)

Starlight

there is only 8 true melee weapons post mechs. 3 of which are summoner whips, one of which is banned.

I dont have much to work with and itll be hard getting through plantera with just an excalibur

[gray nebula]

(probalby uh

(make a text file)

also whips being in that list truly does underline how we live in a society

[fossil bronze]

whips need more integeation into summoner mechanics

[oak sage]

i mean they behave like melee weapons and are buffed by melee stuff so they are kinda hybrid. they dont fire projectiles and stuff so

im mosting using the speed boosting ones to buff damage

[small timber]

in some sense currently whip is kind of like oversized true melee weapons (like murasama)

[oak sage]

yeah

[sleek wadi]

Introducing more moments where contact damage is disabled might be worth considering

[gray nebula]

so true

[oak sage]

and starlight shows that true melee weapons can still be cool

[gray nebula]

but itd also require rewriting a lot of stuff

[fossil finch]

Make so you actually have to whip the summons

[gray nebula]

starlight is cool and i want more weapons like it

[fossil finch]

Itd be funny i think

Why do you whips the enemies anyway
Thats not how it works

[eternal escarp]

whip discussion moment (they should just become melee)

[oak sage]

my 1.4 true melee playthrough has taught me so much lmao

[fossil bronze]

i think summoner being able to more directly influence fights is interesting

just rn whips are not interesting

[oak sage]

struggling with twins still tho

whips are kinda interesting to me, as someone who normally plays summoner

[small timber]

normal or master? if normal probably cross necklace time

[oak sage]

yeah im in master mode

master mode 1.4 true melee

[small timber]

whips should be focus on the "tag" not the actual attack, at least in my opinion

[oak sage]

agreed

they should be a support weapon

[earnest raptor]

shadow lance
more like railgun bullet

[oak sage]

which is why the funny rainbow whip is banned forever

[fossil bronze]

what if whips did low damage

but affected both you and the enemy with a buff/debuff respectively

[earnest raptor]

summoner still has busted damage modifiers

[gray nebula]

[oak sage]

cross necklace, brain of confusion, ninja gear (when i get it), and hallowed armor is what ill be using for the entire playthrough honestly

[earnest raptor]

maybe that's a theme for sugg

rebalance all minion damage bonuses so they are not as ridiculous

clam has summoner nerf anyway

[oak sage]

brain of confusion is really really good now imo

especially for melee

[cobalt heath]

Im just imagining the pain whit the devs on calamity whips

Cause they are expexted to have projectiles

[oak sage]

honestly some of them just need a direct damage nerf

[small timber]

I vaguely remember a dev saying they will destroy whips when the time comes

[oak sage]

i dont like that

just nerf the damage

[small timber]

I don't know the itteration, just remember the wording of something "obliterate whips" something

[fossil bronze]

theyre still boring

[oak sage]

they should be support weapons and i love that

[cobalt heath]

Shit just needs to be balanced w summon damage and tag damage

[fossil bronze]

they just deal damage and buff you

[small timber]

also completely off topic, I thought there was a suggestion of actually changing true melee mechanics in posting

[cobalt heath]

But please i swear dont Change calamity obs armor to vanilla obs armor

[oak sage]

they are mostly support weapons but they should go all the way with the support naturee

[earnest raptor]

whips deal no damage

they are toys

that's the change

[cobalt heath]

Not true

[oak sage]

what im really excited for, for summoner, is to have that new 1.4 summoner rework mod be compatible with calamity. it actually fleshes out minions by giving you 2x more control over their behavior. so you actually feel like you are commanding an army and not throwing some random monsters and hoping they do something

[deft yew]

oh dang never heard of that

[oak sage]

yeah

[deft yew]

will have to check it out

[oak sage]

it adds other stuff too

but im only interesting in the AI rework and new mechanics

[deft yew]

oh does it add any sentries?

[oak sage]

not the new items and stuff

idk cant remember

but basically

[cobalt heath]

I think it added atleast one

[oak sage]

you get buffs for having diversity with your minions, you can seperate them into teams and decide how their targetting behavior works, and they are given superior pathfinding AI

[cobalt heath]

What i want More off is minion slot buffing minions like stardust dragon

So its one minion but gets buffed by More slots and uses

[oak sage]

so if you have 5 minions, you can split them into a red team and a blue team and make the blue minions target weak enemies and the red ones target closest enemies, for example

[small timber]

you will probably need to install unlimited buff slots for it to be useful in calamity, or change how minion works with buff slots

[marsh girder]

Whips will be good, even if they arent damage in calamity, they mostly exist since they grant buffs on hit and debuff enemies, plus give decent targetting

The targetting is the selling poibt

Point

[oak sage]

except Kaleidoscope dear god

[deft yew]

ok this sounds amazing tho

[oak sage]

its so overpowered

[small timber]

I expect calamity to obliterate whip damage when the time comes, and it is mostly just tag

[deft yew]

me when summoner crit chance

(flamsteed moment)

[marsh girder]

It said it will

It mostly just exists since it can allow for targetting control

Thats all i care for

[small timber]

ya, I don't like the initial idea of having the least defensive class to go semi-melee just to use a semi-melee weapons to boost along with summon weapons

[marsh girder]

target control is again

[oak sage]

its not even crit chance that makes Kaleidoscope op. its the 180 base damage on a pre-golem whip

and the whip already gives 10% crit chance to minions and 20 tag damage

[marsh girder]

The sellingnpoint

[oak sage]

and super speedy

[sleek wadi]

Summoner's can already theoretically choose their target. Theoretical not because its some obscure method, but because its a coinflip on whether it works

[small timber]

oh wait I phrase it wrongly, *basically using a melee weapon with your summons and say "haha new summoner mechanic"

[oak sage]

not really. the support aspects are the selling point

[marsh girder]

Its a bad method

[marsh girder]

The target system for me

[oak sage]

180 damage on a speedy whip thats pre-golem is fucking insane

[sleek wadi]

I'd call the buffs to minions the selling point seeing as setting targets is already a thing the summoning staffs can do

[marsh girder]

Its being nerfed

[gray nebula]

do not tell any "um whips are good because targetting" users the fact that you can also target enemies using right click with summoner weapons

[deft yew]

remember

[gray nebula]

[deft yew]

obsidian armor exists

[marsh girder]

Its not reliable

[small timber]

targetting is the main thing, to some extend you can just add the tag damage to the summons itself and it will be the same, but cant do it with targeting

[gray nebula]

?how

[oak sage]

how?

[marsh girder]

It doesnt stay locked on

[gray nebula]

isnt it the exact same targeting system being used

[marsh girder]

It unlocks itself

[gray nebula]

idk i mean

just re right click really

never had problems with it unlocking

[oak sage]

same

[marsh girder]

I have

[oak sage]

that too. obsidian armor is literally on tier with stardust armor

endgame summoner

obsidian armor

Kaleidoscope

Terraprisma

[marsh girder]

Obsidian armor is being sent to hell in 1.4 cal

[oak sage]

bee armor was sent to hell :(

[marsh girder]

Sadly

bee armor is useless

Because obsidian

[oak sage]

obsidian armor killed it

[marsh girder]

Bee armor was meant to be a more slot alternative, but obsidian still crushes it

[oak sage]

yeah

[marsh girder]

[deft yew]

me when +35% [melee] speed

[marsh girder]

Fresh out of 1.4.1 obsidian though

God

[deft yew]

knowing how powerful violent already is

[marsh girder]

What the fuck was that

[small timber]

bee armor is +1 slot and less summon damage than obsidian, somehow

[deft yew]

obsidian armor is stupidity

[marsh girder]

when 1.4.1 released it was meta to never switch armor

They had to nerf it to hell and its still op

[deft yew]

because you could just kill a few creepers, bomb some lava pools, head down to hell, and the game is over

[marsh girder]

Leather whip vs plantera with that 1.4.1 versiob

[deft yew]

[marsh girder]

Yo

To show just how stupid obsidian is

I challenge both of you to a mastermode ftw whips only race

First to beat moonlord is

[deft yew]

guys

draft time

Rework the Arcane modifier

Calamity has been tweaking accessory reforges for a while, and in 1.5 all of them feel equally useful (Menacing, un-nerfed Lucky, buffed Warding, buffed Quick, and Violent). Arcane's effect, +20 max mana, still feels incredibly worthless and bad, as mage weapons consume mana far too quickly anyway. Mana Flower further invalidates it, because mana potions restore a fixed amount which cannot be increased by any means, so the benefits of more max mana are felt for about one second. Making it do something else, like reduce mana consumption or increase mana potion effectiveness, would give it a fighting chance among the rest of the reforges and line up with what Calamity does to reforges overall.

[oak sage]

i had that idea lmao

was gonna post that

[marsh girder]

+20 max mana is actually very stackable

And kind of op for some items

Cough cough

[deft yew]

ion blaster

[sleek wadi]

It would be, if it weren't for the mana cap

[marsh girder]

That one mana wcaling

[oak sage]

so is warding but it means nothing

[marsh girder]

Dcalign

Scaling

Yes ion

[deft yew]

yes, the MANA CAP

[marsh girder]

Its only useful if youre bad at the game

Yeah

[oak sage]

didnt mean that

[deft yew]

the further you get the exponentially more useless arcane feels, because of the mana hard cap

[oak sage]

^

[marsh girder]

Ok i agree with that

but for like a little bit of time with ion blaster it could work

Like one boss

[deft yew]

literally one boss

[sleek wadi]

More mana is also hurt by mana potions being flat restores, so if you're a mana flower enjoyer you don't need more mana than the amount necessary to cast the weapon

[deft yew]

if you just use mana flower the benefit of arcane is felt about one second per boss fight

so lemme add mana flower to this equation

[sleek wadi]

So maybe if arcane also boosted how much mana potions restore it'd be more valuable

[marsh girder]

+2% mana restoration or so

Would be a pog bonus

since up to

14% extra per potion

[deft yew]

+14

that still doesn't feel like much

[small timber]

how much will it be a balance problem if arcane give mana cost reduction?

[marsh girder]

4% would be better

[deft yew]

28%

[small timber]

you are sacrificing every other possible enchantment with it

[deft yew]

remember you sacrifice damage or speed

[sleek wadi]

We do have to remember that increasing the rate at which mana is restored in anyway does mitigate mana sickness partially, leading to a DPS increase if you're running into that

[oak sage]

Charming-
+0.50% mana usage reduction
+10 Mana

Enchanting-
+1% mana usage reduction
+20 mana

Spellbound-
+1.5% mana usage reduction
+30 mana

Arcane-
+2% mana usage reduction
+40 mana

heres my idea

4 tiers

[deft yew]

ok that's big brain

kinda like warding's 1% DR

[oak sage]

brb

[deft yew]

edited

[small timber]

not exactly sure how necessary it is for calamity it introduce their own tiered enchantment, since they just followed vanilla. Tiered enchantment is such an unnecessary mechanic (made even more so with reforge rework). Just Arcane is probably fine

[deft yew]

true

just remove tiered ones lo

also did they ever re-add the 1% and 3% crit modifiers?

[small timber]

the only argument is that it exist in vanilla so they have to delete vanilla stuffs for it

2 & 4% I assume, lucky surely is 4

[deft yew]

ye

i've only seen precise and lucky

forgor what the 1 and 3 modifiers are called

[small timber]

change log says 2, just search "precise"

[deft yew]

does the draft look better

[sleek wadi]

Still concise and addresses more issues while bringing in more solutions, yeah it looks good

Now watch it drown

[small timber]

need mage player to look at it, I am basic ranger cuck

[deft yew]

only says they give their normal bonuses, nothing about adding the old ones back

[deft yew]

this is a hard time to sugg anything huh?

but it's still worth doing

and i can do it again in about a week

[sleek wadi]

Yeah. I think only one sugg got to 270 ever and any others that passed were due to a dev coming in and saying "Yeah sure I can knock that out in like, 10 minutes"

[deft yew]

🤞

[sleek wadi]

Silent exists btw

[small timber]

that said isn't warding (post-ML) objectively the best enchantment unless you are rogue for stealth? since all damage enchantment get nullified by rdr and ms is not really that affected by full Quick with good wings

[earnest raptor]

rdr is malice thing

it doesn't matter outside of malice

[sleek wadi]

I'm not sure how effective RDR is in actuality so I'd want to see some kill-times on whether or not its cucking the damage modifiers outside of malice

[earnest raptor]

it's not

it's not it's not

[small timber]

in my exo fight it halves my damage against ares solo phase (I choose ares first)

rdr is still a thing in current version

[earnest raptor]

defense bad

how you don't understand?

[small timber]

damage useless because I pop an adrenaline and suddenly my full menacing and lucky do nothing

Quick is definitely BIS pre-ML though, no argument there

[deft yew]

thanks for pointing that out, i fixed it

[sleek wadi]

So stealthy it almost made it out of the sugg

[deft yew]

:lo:

[safe oasis]

a lot of suggs passed 270 wdym

[eternal escarp]

which cannot be increased by any means

forgetting the Mana Regen builds

where you simply stop attacking for like, a second and gain enough mana to fight for a while agian

[oak sage]

you realize theyve added stuff before right

im back

[small timber]

If you are referring to silent, it is at a time when calamity is following vanilla formula and on top of that adding their own modifiers

In the case of arcane it is to split it, not to add new mechanic

[oak sage]

not a new mechanic

[exotic stag]

(warding)

[oak sage]

just making arcane useful

[exotic stag]

(warding line

[oak sage]

not even a new concept

every other modifier has tiers

[small timber]

Thematically? Sure
Mechanically or pratically adding tiers for arcane will be redundant and mostly waste of effort

It is like saying lucky and precise should have 1 and 3% version because all others have 4

[oak sage]

???

[exotic stag]

we werent?

[deft yew]

This refers to how much mana you get from a mana restoration potion

[sleek wadi]

Huh, neat. Although it still seems super rare to reach this threshold as scrolling through suggs voting only has 1 per couple of pages or so

[eternal escarp]

i mean

still, mana regen is pretty effective in giving you mana back

[sleek wadi]

The existence of mana regen builds does not excuse arcane being unusable garbage

[deft yew]

[rugged belfry]

I’ve never really liked Arcane.

Very weak in comparison to the other reforges, and it’s class-focused, unlike the others.

[deft yew]

Sticking to the meta is NOT the way to deal with something being bad

[deft yew]

I mean, violent and silent are class focused too

[sleek wadi]

Arcane getting buffed to also boost mana pots would actually help mana pots compete outside of edge cases like prisms.

[deft yew]

Technically Lucky is inversely class-focused because of summoner

[deft yew]

And about giving Hypothermia glacial state

Honestly, just buff Penumbra

[rugged belfry]

True.

I’m not saying Calamity should, but if I made a mod I’d probably either add something for ranger and summoner, or remove Arcane and make Violent apply to all weapon types.

But I fully support buffing Arcane, since it:

1. Sucks
2. Sucks

[deft yew]

Ranged velocity would be cool but fall off later

Summoner modifiers are rough territory because slots are busted and vanilla minions are coded harder than rocks

[sleek wadi]

If we were in 1.4 additional summon tag damage might've been an option

[rugged belfry]

So tempted to design a mod that makes summoner into a global damage type and just removes all the armor

[deft yew]

[exotic stag]

remove all classes. make all classes into "punch the shit out of your enemies"

[deft yew]

true melee supremacy

[sleek wadi]

WeaponOut fist supremacy

[eternal escarp]

its not what i said, i mostly somewhat nitpicked the sentence of "cannot be increased by any means" as there is another way to get mana quickly

[grim tusk]

Arcane getting mana cost reduction would be nice

[deft yew]

The amount of mana you get instantly from a mana restoration potion cannot be increased.
That’s all I meant

[eternal escarp]

then i stand corrected for i did not understand correctly

[sleek wadi]

Mana cost reduction would be more fair to both pots and regen builds wouldn't it, alright I'm in favor of that if I had to pick one

[deft yew]

That IS true

Regen increases the higher your mana already is

[rugged belfry]

Remove all weapons and enemies. Farming simulator

[deft yew]

So if your max mana is high enough you get FAT amounts of regen

[deft yew]

Bosses and the player are the only thing left.

Touhou?

[rugged belfry]

Yeah but the bosses are passive

Imagine farming carrots with Yharon

[deft yew]

chickens

:lo:

[exotic stag]

dog gets eaten by big worm

bird

not worm

[gray nebula]

we already kinda planned to make the arena look cooler but a shader for the outside of it would be kinda sex as well thats a nice idea..

[naive ravine]

does this sound cool?:
The temporal umbrella has a melee hit that does 56 damage with no gain from boosts

when the hat is spawned it can do a static damage of 56 that counts as summon damage to reference that this is a melee weapon from the original game A Hat in Time. It can also 1 hit the cultists outside the dungeon , the cultist assasins, and eidololists because they're almost like mafia members as a cute reference, it still functions normally with the inital summon but would be great to see, it also would have low knockback.

it'd also ignore 10 defense forgot to put that in

or about that

I'm worried it's unbalanced

[sleek wadi]

Too specific and because temporal umbrella is a dedicated item I think you need permission from the dude its dedicated to to make a suggestion that does mechanical changes.

[naive ravine]

oh ok who donated the idea again?

[crude geode]

It’s a dev item lol

[naive ravine]

I don't understand dev items ngl

I'm pretty new to calamity so

[north plank]

It’s Ben’s dedicated item

there’s a page listing all dedicated items and who they are dedicated to on the wiki

[crude geode]

uh the spider biome is exceedingly less important than the dungeon lol

also journey's end is not "around the corner" lol

[drowsy plank]

1.4 is coming eventually, and i know it isn't as important but i dont think there's anything wrong with the idea

[sleek wadi]

Config to disable defense damage will never be a thing. Defense damage exists to kill facetanking while letting the devs make defensive items good with no fear of enabling facetanks

[frail mantle]

as ozz once said, defense damage is a necessary evil

[hollow shell]

@lavish cloak Those ^ and also only 2 suggs allowed per day

[lavish cloak]

is it really necessary

it punishes everyone, including people who facetank

[sleek wadi]

Except it doesn't. Defense regenerates after 3 seconds

[hollow shell]

The logic is that now we will be able to make defense and DR more prominent in the mod
because Defense Damage grants us that permission

[sleek wadi]

The time window where you're gonna be hurt for more damage is small enough that if you're playing honestly it'll be like DD doesn't exist

[hollow shell]

Without it, boosting defensive effects will facilitate facetanking and Luigi% and such

[lavish cloak]

can't that just be done by reducing the effects of defensive equipment when the player gets hit, similar to beetle armor?

[hollow shell]

That's exactly what Defense Damage is.

[sleek wadi]

Thats what defense damage is

For glass cannon this is even less relevant because DD is proportional, not flat

The more you have the more you lose.

[hollow shell]

I think it affects DR too

[sleek wadi]

DD effects DR relative to how much defense you lost

If you have 150 defense and 10% DR and take 15 DD, you lose 10% of that DR so 1% DR lost

[lavish cloak]

defense damage seems sorta like a bandaid fix instead actually balancing defensive items

[gray nebula]

defense damage moment ❗

[hollow shell]

But, you said this?

[sleek wadi]

Its the best solution we got to the problem because when we DID try to balance defense in the past it had stupid useless conditions like being submerged in lava

[north plank]

it’s not like other defensive stuff was buffed as well

[river glen]

no... the thing is if u buffed specific defense items like fabled tortise shell then u just get luigi afk

[frozen hornet]

I can say I barely noticed DD in my current pt

Granted I wasn't going full tonk but ye

[clever raft]

I forgot to suggest this the day the draedon update came out but

How about make the rework to the goblin tinkerer its own separate mod?

[frozen hornet]

Why would cal devs do that

[sleek wadi]

Why would we make it a config tho, old tinkerer mechanics fuckin' sucked. As for separate mod thats also a no as the devs don't want to upkeep more mods then they have too

[ruby plover]

Yeah I doubt they would give people an option to waste loads of money when they could just. Not

[sleek wadi]

Its why we haven't gotten a calamity QoL pack

[frozen hornet]

someone somewhere would do it themselves so just wait for them

[ruby plover]

I kinda doubt that many people would actively make a mod so that they can waste money on tinkerer

Wait nvm misread your thing

That’s about making a QoL pack isn’t it

[half sage]

yea having it be a config is dumb because the new system is objectively better, and if someone else wants to make the goblin rework their own mod, they can do it themselves, like with the cal recipes for vanilla items mod

[frozen hornet]

Ye

There's already a mod for cal vanilla recipes

And probably more as well

It's not exactly a QoL pack byea

[cobalt pewter]

sorry to burst your bubble but 1.4 tmod is coming in like, 2030 at the very least

[drowsy plank]

ok that just isnt true

i know it's going to take a while

but in the long term it probably isn't going to be more than a year

and yeah calamity will take awhile to get there

[cobalt pewter]

point is, 1.4 tmod is not "just around the corner" I guess

[drowsy plank]

who cares

that wasn't the focus of the suggestion anyway

[cobalt pewter]

besides I don't ever think cal gives anything to spider biomes

so the reason for consistency doesn't work if the inconsistency isn't even here yet

[drowsy plank]

it doesn't but i think it would be a neat addition regardless, literally every other biome is moveable and reproducible in calamity besides spider right now

and calamity does use spider drops for things so it's not like it's a useless addition, not to mention i feel like putting it on skeleton merchant makes it rare enough to be reasonable still

calamity seems to be very supportive of sustainable resources with the ore slimes and crawlers and such, but a player could easily accidentally destroy all of their spider biomes and have no way to replace them

altars are in a similar situation but it's not like they're actively harmful to the player like spider biomes can be

oh wait no i was right, draedon's forge does count as an altar

[sleek turret]

Fair point

[crude geode]

then cut down on the flak of the suggestion by reducing it to just that.

[crude geode]

it doesn't.

actually that's true

my b

the one thing it's used for (though if you somehow lose your spider armor you deserve to not get fathom swarmer)

it's good for making a summoner that doesn't die in 2 hits

[grim tusk]

For plantera in nohits, on regular pts its a good tank set but faces heavy competition from Tiki

[crude geode]

(Tiki?)

fathom is just straight up better iirc

[grim tusk]

Both are good tank sets each with their upsides and downsides

However spoopy armor

[crude geode]

indeed

spoopy armor isn't realistically overrated.

tiki is barely valued by the community lol

[grim tusk]

In terms of offensive to defensive its
Spooky > Tiki > Fathom

And people prefer offense

[crude geode]

Tiki just doesn't have a current use rn

not every build has to be glass cannon just cuz defense damage exists

[grim tusk]

^^^^^^^^

Defense is so underrated

Luigi%

[silver silo]

the best offense is a good defense

[crude geode]

Anyways, dumbass takes aside

[grim tusk]

On infernum test vers everyone is using full warding vs the abomination that is exos lmao

[crude geode]

Can we nerf the damage of SCal.

[grim tusk]

No

Just get more chonk or dodge

[crude geode]

I feel as though the damage is too high for a normal "boss", considering she's not a superboss anymore.

[silver silo]

its a boss designed around careful movement and learning patterns

and being good at touhou

[grim tusk]

She never was a normal boss since 1.4 (getting added to BR breaks the reqs as you need her to stand a chance)

Soon™️

[crude geode]

not the place to discuss it

[small timber]

scal doesn't need a damage nerf (not counting Malice for obvious reason), with full warding on my ranger the first bullet hell only did 400 damage

it is not THAT bad

if anything the ares nuke cause me by far the most problem

people just more prone to 7x menacing or lucky and go full offensive accessories

[crude geode]

true

[small timber]

and if they do that, they choose to do that

[frozen hornet]

I had 4 warding and mostly tank accs and still got two-shot

Maaybe it's a skill issue but brehn

[crude geode]

from the first bullet hell?

cuz that's always the most damaging because reasons

[frozen hornet]

Ye I didn't get past sep phase

spent 30 something attempts

[small timber]

is your tank setup anyway close to this?

because with this first bullet hell does less than 400 damage, at least no way close to 2 shot, unless you are not using cadence pot

[frozen hornet]

I had aegis, sponge, core, rampart, nucleo and darksun ring, tracers iirc

[small timber]

ah ya, I guess for summoner nucleo is somewhat unskippable

[frozen hornet]

4 warding 2 menacing 1 quick

[small timber]

for ranger I just dropped quiver after noticing how pointless damage is with rdr

[frozen hornet]

Funny how I somehow got exo mechs to like 50% on all of them in less attempts than it took me to get scal below 90%

[small timber]

if you are not restricting yourself to a class then just murasama it

it is faster that way

[frozen hornet]

murasama is cringe so I don't use it

[small timber]

ya I didnt use it too (cringe) since I am doing class restricted playthrough, though it is a desperate measure for consideration since I don't know how good summoner is for brimstone heart

[frozen hornet]

(It's pretty bad )

[small timber]

another desperate measure is lion heart, not exactly solve your problem, but it helps

but at the end I don't think scal needs damage nerf, if you compare it to exo you will notice similar numbers, but scal fire it at much less frequency

just that scal restrict your arena so it is harder to dodge, damage itself is not really a problem if you are not going full glass cannon

[frozen hornet]

Actually I forgot I was using rogue on scal, the summoner loadout I used for exo mechs
so nanotech+mirror instead of ring and nucleo, silent and silent, the rest are the same

[grim tusk]

Dragon rage better lul

[grim tusk]

decent setup

[grim tusk]

quite nice

[small timber]

well haven't try it, surprise that dragon rage do better than murasama at true melee

just referring to the old method and I assume it still works

[grim tusk]

yea still works

[grim tusk]

although rogue prefers final dawn or celestus vs hearts

[frozen hornet]

i used atom splitter and ref rotor because funny new weapon

[crude geode]

#help-advice-read-pins

[rose latch]

early hardmode is being rebalanced right?

[crude geode]

Can’t recall

Think they might be

[frail mantle]

yes

[cobalt heath]

buff it or nerf it?

[rose latch]

ok I guess there's no point in suggesting early hardmode balance changes then

[crude geode]

Not really no

[crude geode]

everything is being rebalanced so nothing is op lol

[cobalt heath]

the dog idea is kinda good

but no concretical suggestions on how to do it

[earnest raptor]

echraria players not mentioning touhou every time they see projectile objects in pattern challenge (impossible, gone wrong)

[silver silo]

clearly all bullet hells are a touhou reference there is no debate

[frozen hornet]

touhou is a touhou reference

[rugged belfry]

Is it?

[fossil bronze]

"bty phase 2 DoG is also apparently easier than Providence, Yharon, Draedon and SCal.Maybe we should buff DoG overall."
from a recent suggestion in voting

why would dog p2 be as hard as scal or draedon

[earnest raptor]

I think the sugg is poorly worded

but I see how people struggle more with polter or duke than DoG

[cobalt heath]

the point is that the difficulty for its stage is easier than provi at post ml, yharon post dog etc

[tardy smelt]

it differs per person but

overall DoG's not as demanding to dodge as those other bosses named

[fossil bronze]

yeah but
why the comparison to scal and draedon

[tardy smelt]

they're all the major post-ML bosses

and uh

idk

that's just the way they worded things

[fossil bronze]

fair i guess

i do agree that dog p1 rn is kind of boring

his charge especially

[cobalt heath]

we need the sentinels back

easy fix

[fossil bronze]

did they get removed

from dog fight

?

[cobalt heath]

yes

and das bad cause they made the fight epic

[tardy smelt]

eh

I'm not sure the fight was epic to begin with

the sentinels phase was just, there, anyway

it would've worked better if DoG itself were actually interesting and if they weren't just weakened versions of the OG bosses with no change

for example if they modified their AI's slightly during the sentinels phase so that they work as a tag team during it

which is something new, at least

[hollow shell]

@crude geode Mourning Wood to Everscream is not a perfect comparison because Frost Moon has 3 bosses while Pumpkin Moon has 2
Santa-NK1 drops 5-10

(and Headless Horseman drops 3-5)

[fossil bronze]

thats a pretty good idea

[tardy smelt]

too bad its a pretty specific idea

too bad I already typed it out out of boredom and I'm gonna slap it into this channel even though I'm not gonna do anything with it

[fossil bronze]

seems pretty solid to me

i think if it was just "tag team sents in dog fight" and less specific it could work as a suggestion

[hollow shell]

This is not the first time we've heard that idea and it will not be the last.

[fossil finch]

Can we make dog fight dog fight and not sentinels but again

Like dog is a mile long serpent with slight gravity control and the ability to open portals to teleport around do we even need sentinels in his fight

[hollow shell]

Pardon?

[tardy smelt]

and I'm totally not surprised

considering the fact it was never implemented I wouldn't be surprised if all those ideas will keep on leading to nothing

[hollow shell]

https://obsproject.com/forum/resources/display-keystroke.485/
Here's an OBS plugin apparently

or this
https://retro-spy.com/

There are more.
"keyboard input display" or "keystroke input display" is what I looked up

But this sounds like it may be an issue for #bugs-read-pins

[lavish cloak]

Edited my suggestion

the Defense Damage one

[small timber]

what did you change?

I still dont think it is passable

[lavish cloak]

I mean i just explained my reasoning more

I'm not asking for defense damage to be removed, im asking for a config option that can let players disable it if need be

[small timber]

maybe, but I think it got exclaimed (or didn't get pass) is with the main idea of turning off defense damage rather than reasoning

normally config (or optional) counts for it too, the only exception is the early-hardmode change which calamity devs themselves make it toggeable

[worthy lintel]

If there was a config then what would be the point of creating DD in the first place

It's a balancing mechanic now

[lavish cloak]

i mean you could say that about the early hardmode change ?

and lethal lava

[small timber]

early hardmode change is an exception, it is not done due to suggestion, it is a config because devs decided that it needs to be

lethal lava is not disabeable in Death Mode (which is where it is most relevant)

[worthy lintel]

DD is different, the devs wanted to destroy luigi%

Which is a good thing

[small timber]

what difficulty are you playing on?

[lavish cloak]

What is up with this hatred towards players playing a game the way they want to

[small timber]

because usually defense damage is completely not noticeable if you are playing on normal and expert

[lavish cloak]

its a sandbox game man

[small timber]

DD is added so that you can be much more defensive than ever

basically you can tank better, just not standing still and tank

main focus being "standing still"

[lavish cloak]

defense damage doesnt apply to people who are just standing still

and if the devs wanna discourage players "standing still" then why in the world did they invent rogue stealth

[small timber]

I will just make an easy comparison: before DD you have 200 defense, after DD Calamity allow you to have 300 defense but you take DD if you keep taking too many hit

[cobalt pewter]

standing stealth regen is merely a bonus

stealth rogue is way more than playable without standing still

(not completely balanced yet, but not unplayable either)

[worthy lintel]

There's a difference between risking standing still for a potential damage bonus and camping with 3000% DR in a honey pool while holding M1 with a fast melee weapon

[cobalt pewter]

^

as it stands the intended purpose of defense damage is to buff defensive options significantly without enabling facetanking

[small timber]

warding get doubled, many accessories generally give more damage reduction

[lavish cloak]

aight then

[cobalt pewter]

i think i understand about the standing still part, anything aside from stealth that tries to force you to stand still are never worth it

in cal at least

[small timber]

basically think of it this way: you have way more defense now which does not exist before DD exist, so as long as you dont stand still you are never defensively weaker than before DD is implemented

[cobalt pewter]

like uhhh

the chi thing

i forgot its name

[worthy lintel]

Trinket of Chi

[cobalt pewter]

yea that

it's dogshit

[worthy lintel]

hey, it has a resell value

🤬

[cobalt pewter]

once

[worthy lintel]

And even though Terraria is a sandbox, standing still should never be an option

A viable one I mean

[cobalt pewter]

even you're moving while exploring and building

[lavish condor]

Would it be worth suggesting to lower the pickaxe power requirement of cosmilite bricks? Blossom pickaxe doesn't appear to work, so to break them you'd have to spawn in a Crystyl Crusher, which if you don't want to use cheat sheet, could result in worse-case-scenario softlcoks

[small timber]

@lavish condor update your mod

[lavish condor]

Oh sorry. Thought I was updated but apparently not

[languid quartz]

@worthy lintel delete the random message in #suggestions-posting 🥺

[safe oasis]

in every channel tbh

[languid quartz]

they also posted it in all channels if you care

[worthy lintel]

i timed him out for a day but i have to manually 1984

[languid quartz]

[umbral dew]

shouldnt the camper be reworked in some way then

[languid quartz]

why would that only apply with armageddon?

this feels like a fine suggestion, just maybe remove the clause about armageddon because telefrags can happen no matter what mode or if you're nohitting

[small timber]

ya the armageddon thing is completely unnecessary, people will try to set your suggestion aside just because it is suggested to be a change for no-hit when it should in fact just not exist in all modes

[cobalt pewter]

telefrag is a bad thing, it's just more apparent when you're nohitting

so yeah

boc is a bad boss grr

[eternal escarp]

goddammit i just realized my sugg idea could have stronger ground if i wait for next patch

The Corroded Fossil gear is a rather small, yet quite significant one, holding many great and interesting weapons unlocked by Acid Rain's Second tier, after Aquatic Scourge, right?
Well.. not exactly, while you can get the Fossils, and all of the other ingredients for the gear right after AS, they still require Mythril / Oricalchum Anvils, effectively disconnecting these drops from AS and the Acid Rain until you defeat a mech, leading to these weapons being disconnected from the tier their material is achieved at, and so making them become forgotten due to lack of connection to their "roots".
I suggest moving these recipes to the normal Anvil, to allow these weapons to be made right after AS / AR2, due to reasons above.```

with Seafood becoming post-WoF agian

eh

ill post it regardless i think, AS' natural spawn is still a thing

[cobalt pewter]

true

[gray nebula]

[safe oasis]

i’d say to broaden the suggestion and say to make all mech-alt gear post mech-alt, it’s a problem for both cryonic gear and acid rain gear and you can’t even fight brimmy without a forge

[gray nebula]

hilarious weird tiering moments

[eternal escarp]

wasnt Brimmy changed back?

and yeah i did forget about Cryonic, thats true

[safe oasis]

was it? don’t remember that being a thing, might be wrong though

[eternal escarp]

ill have to add a second pragraph ig, wait

[eternal escarp]

ill recheck

[cobalt pewter]

hmm, I don't think so

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah it did not

[cobalt pewter]

Charred Idol is still requiring the uh

thing

forge

ada forge

but the Unholy Cores only need Hellforge now

[small timber]

in current version cryo post 0 mech, AS post 1 mech, brimmy post 2 mech

[eternal escarp]

while Cryonic is post 2, AS is post 1/0, Charred post 1 iirc

in terms of gear

(trolling)

[small timber]

ya, weird tiering

in fact is there even charred ore armor? isnt it post-cal now?

[eternal escarp]

theres Brimflame, and it always was

the Unholy Core gear is pretty much the same, its just that you can mine it earlier

[fossil bronze]

alt mech progression should just be seperate from mechs

[eternal escarp]

emote suggestions are banned aint they

i already forgot

[small timber]

isnt emote suggestion somewhat a don't or I misremembered? because people will just post it a lot

ya

[safe oasis]

@pulsar sonnet no emote suggs, and even if they were allowed it’s a bad emote

[eternal escarp]

i remember their great ban.

[cobalt pewter]

[pulsar sonnet]

:(

[small timber]

ya sadly no emote suggestion, otherwise it will be clogging the server than it already is

[cobalt pewter]

i wasn't an avid emote suggester so i didn't really care

[small timber]

with 500 different emotes constantly in voting

[pulsar sonnet]

but, people like piggy and it'll be accepted right away

[cobalt pewter]

if people like piggy they wouldn't make it killable for some money and bacon

[small timber]

I don't see much reason that people will use it in conversation

no matter if you feel like it is cute or not, emote is very subjective

[pulsar sonnet]

this is outrageous :(

[eternal escarp]

itd get exclaimed regardless man, and i doubt itd get approved

[safe oasis]

it is simply bad

[small timber]

but the main reason is still not that we feel a piggy emote is "bad", but more that emote suggestion is disallowed in general

[cobalt pewter]

read pins next time

[eternal escarp]

Change and or Tweak some of the weird tiering of the new Early HM Changes

Corroded Fossils
The Corroded Fossil gear is a rather small, yet quite significant one, holding many great and interesting weapons unlocked by Acid Rain's Second tier, after Aquatic Scourge, right?
Well.. not exactly, while you can get the Fossils, and all of the other ingredients for the gear right after AS, which is fightable before any mech boss, they still require Mythril / Orichalcum Anvils, effectively disconnecting these drops from AS and the Acid Rain until you defeat a mech, leading to these weapons being disconnected from the tier their material is achieved at, and so making them become forgotten due to lack of connection to their "roots".
I suggest moving these recipes to the normal Anvil, to allow these weapons to be made right after AS / AR2, due to reasons above.

Cryonic / Daedalus
Currently, Cryonic ore generated in the Tundra immediately after Cryogen's defeat, a boss fightable before any mech boss.
The Cryonic ore he spawns is, however, not obtainable until Adamantite / Titanium AKA Second mech boss.
This leads to another inconsistency in the tiering of a thematically related ore / arsenal, and the respective boss / event its locked away from.

alright

hows this?

[ashen warren]

good

those changes are like

[small timber]

how strong is daedalus currently "feel" in the game?

[ashen warren]

half done it seems because of stuff like that

[cobalt pewter]

early hm overall is still half done

[small timber]

because unironically in my playthrough it doesn't seem that strong, at least not worthy of locking behind 2 mechs

[cobalt pewter]

but yes

I don't think giving the alts a fixed tier is a good idea

why don't they just apply the mech health scaling to the alts if they think that balancing them is ass? like

[ashen warren]

neither but everyone else seems to like it

[small timber]

corroded fossil definitely should be after AS, daedalus should be after cryogen but may need some number tweaking

[cobalt pewter]

it works for mechs, why not the alts?

[eternal escarp]

Cryonic is pretty strong, yes, though some items that were previously Cryonic Bars are now also locked behind this, like Arctic Arrows and Frostspark Bullets, are now pretty much moved a few tiers back

[small timber]

because it is good damage, but only damage, statigel is superior in every other way

[eternal escarp]

my only issue is

does this count as 2 suggestions in one?

i could post them seperately if i wish

[small timber]

I think with a good title it will fit

just say retier mech-alt gear or something so you can just include both

[eternal escarp]

actually rover is online

[cobalt pewter]

there's another blast as a mod

i-

[eternal escarp]

guess i could ask him

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell ❗ for that piggy emote sugg

wait fuck

[eternal escarp]

hey @hollow shell , would this count as 2 different suggestions, or just 2 points of notice in a single suggestion?

oh you

[cobalt pewter]

it's already given

[eternal escarp]

pinged him

woops

[cobalt pewter]

[fossil finch]

Me unlocking like 87 tiers of gear just after wof and a "you tried" after getting t2 anvil

[small timber]

is there even that much gear HM pre-boss? for ranger specifically I feel like is rather limited

[eternal escarp]

pre-HMboss?

i composed a list (atleast, a new 1.5 one for melee and ranger, the rest are in fix progress)

[hollow shell]

That is fine as one suggestion I think
They both exhibit the same problem

[eternal escarp]

melee has more

ranger has alotta gear...

byeah

[eternal escarp]

also, gotcha, ill post them in the same sugg then

[fossil finch]

Send the bs to a recycle bin

Now

[eternal escarp]

[small timber]

hmm in my playthrough only found shadowflame bow and daedalus to be somewhat useable

[eternal escarp]

bs stands for funny broadsword

[fossil finch]

Ik

[eternal escarp]

ranger has a fine collection pre-HMBoss

[fossil finch]

That's why I'm saying

[eternal escarp]

based

[small timber]

I don't think onyx blaster is pre-HM boss no? it is mythril anvil

wait I will check

[eternal escarp]

it is?

[small timber]

ya otherwise I will use it in a heartbeat

[eternal escarp]

hm, i cant remember if Calamity changed it though

prolly not

[small timber]

ya post 1 mech

it is vanilla

[ashen warren]

[eternal escarp]

fixed

good thing you noticed kekw

[small timber]

it is stupidly broken in vanilla that they have to nerf it in 1.4, so ya it is good

[eternal escarp]

though theres still quite a few for Ranger

ive yet to fix the other 3 lists but mage is good on picks likely

[small timber]

ya never notice there is a lot, just didnt find many viable ones, most notably daedalus stormbow is crap on all other weapons

[eternal escarp]

Needler is decently good

[languid quartz]

isn't that kinda 2 suggs blast?

[eternal escarp]

i just asked, so its fine

[small timber]

both are under "retiering mech alts gear"

[languid quartz]

ah ic

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[languid quartz]

fucking :wed I swear

[eternal escarp]

cheese

[small timber]

sky fracture is also post 1 mech btw

[eternal escarp]

yeah ive yet to fix the mage list so

no bother for now

[small timber]

@nimble berry 1) formatting, 2) 2 suggestion in 1, 3) pre-hm rebalance is planned (or you should ask others to see if pre-hm summoner is really that bad)

[grim tusk]

My experience with pre-hm summoner on latest patch:
Everything is decent with the exception of squirrel, magic conch, slime, and scarab ripper, those suck
And belladona + pierce is still comically op
Star swallower can hurt skeletron badly due to the plasma weapon’s feature

[fossil finch]

Magic conch on perfs or crab doe

[nimble berry]

ok?

[languid quartz]

you're suggesting 2 seperate things, both the schematics and the phm summoner

you should condense it down to one, then make a title, shift enter twice then describe your reasoning for the suggestion

look at how the other suggestions in #suggestions-posting are formatted

[hollow shell]

@viral forge

[viral forge]

ah ty

glad to see its being done

[hollow shell]

It's been a long time comin

[ashen warren]

yup

honestly it would also be nice if they got damaged throughout the fight

visually

[river glen]

aw... my suggestion is stuck at 233

oh well

was a good try lol

[rugged belfry]

Which one?

[exotic stag]

hey dolos do you mean like in the line or?

[grim tusk]

i mean get rid of this in buff slots as they already share the internal one with the other dodges

[fossil bronze]

why are buff slots a thing

[worthy lintel]

vanilla lulz

honestly no reason since its very hard to break the cap in vanilla so why did they bother put one in the first place

[crude geode]

Something something skill issue

[fossil finch]

Slot economy

[crude geode]

That one class immensely struggles with on top of everything else they already struggle with

[fossil finch]

Byeah cooldowns like that (or pets) shouldnt use buffslots

[crude geode]

A lot of things shouldn’t take up buff slots

“so why these ones do” isn’t the best grammar @grim tusk

[velvet lynx]

with my equipment i can easiliy reach the cap with minimal buffs, i only have like 10 - 12 buffs and when fighting supreme calamitas i can easily tell i sometimes break over the 20 buff limit

i can tell because i suddenly get dismounted out of my exo box for seemingly no reason

and the rest is because of accesories taking even more of my buff slots

[keen zealot]

buff cap was another one of those things that was implemented to prevent any issues coming from having too many, but ended up causing the very issues it sought to prevent

[lavish condor]

Formatting Issue?

[crude geode]

Considering it’s literally just a title I would assume as much

Oh wait the one with the reaction

Yeah that’s a format issue

@muted geyser Formatting issue on your suggestion.

[lavish condor]

Was referring to the newest one

[rugged belfry]

That’d be cool tbh

[gray nebula]

"please let us disable dashes in another way than through visibility toggles because we want to be able to dash without having to have the massive shield in front of us"

"please make the thing meant to let players disable dashes without ruining their awesome (whatever) cosplay visible so it can ruin their awesome cosplay again

[fossil finch]

proceeds to add an item with vanity that disables them

[crude geode]

Like technically this is valid but the whole point of Ball and Chain is to make vanity not tied to function @kind folio

[kind folio]

Well I suggested it to CalVal and they said go suggest it in CalMain so...

[golden narwhal]

Seems they're asking to make it visible on the character, not reverting the visibility function

[silver silo]

I hate it

[crude geode]

Yeah but as explained by Iban, the whole point of ball and chain is to not make the function of shields tied to vanity.

[golden narwhal]

not reverting the visibility function

i.e., give it a sprite on the character

[crude geode]

It still ties it to vanity, just through a different way of the ball and chain sprite

[gray nebula]

yeah

what if you want to disable the dash but dont want your awesoem cosplay to be ruined

you wouldnt be able to if the ball and chain was visible

and im cosplayinh yharim mom 😭 yharim isnt a prisoner wh y would he have a ball & chain

[golden narwhal]

(is it actually even possible to let an item in the inventory show on the player sprite like a vanity)

[silver silo]

Clentaminator

[crude geode]

That’s a bit of a different story

Cuz it’s when held iirc

like leaf blower

[silver silo]

Just hold the ball and chain lo

[crude geode]

[gray nebula]

probably doable

[crude geode]

Could it be toggled similar to favoriting?

[gray nebula]

i mean yes itd be doable to make it show if favorited

just hijack the same variables

but also : why should we make it show up as i said wedont want that to happen

[fossil bronze]

making items work when favorited always seemed kinda jank to me

i think an extra slot or somerhing would be better
like in the menu wirh your hook and pets

[gray nebula]

~~thatd probably be way too much effort for its own good ~~

[fossil bronze]

fair

[kind folio]

I was thinking as maybe like just a config..?

[fossil bronze]

also theres a sugf about changing how boss checklist works with eow/boc and uhh

pretty sure thats in boss checklists park, not calamitys

its not abbout modded bosses tho

its about changing how boss checklist handles vanilla bossea

[golden narwhal]

Unless I missed a sugg, it's talking about calamity's evil bosses, not vanilla's

[fossil bronze]

ohh lol

im braindead

[golden narwhal]

(they probably could've worded the title better tbf)

[safe oasis]

@kind folio just like don't wear a double jump accessory

gg

[gray nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/684412265860169751/823641528747425832/placeholder.gif

yetanotherchallengeitemthatsfranklyuseless

my hatred for challenge modes & friends is only rivaled by my shared hatred for obscure balancing mechanics

[kind folio]

:)

[crude geode]

Ball and chain was created with the specific purpose of having dashes not tied to visibility

[cobalt pewter]

what

[frozen hornet]

As if there weren't enough challenge items already

[cobalt pewter]

what is this sugg

[frozen hornet]

anti-balloons basically

or defiled ++

[cobalt pewter]

defiled?

[frozen hornet]

defiled doesn't disable balloons

[frozen hornet]

also just do this

[silver silo]

what about your hatred for summon items

[kind folio]

CalVal said take it to CalMain and I did that.

[languid quartz]

@tribal crag this is more of a bug, and some of it might just be a quirk of terraria multiplayer

if there's something in specific that's happening post it in #bugs-read-pins

[hollow shell]

@kind folio The formatting is correct now, so that's good. However, you don't need to (or rather, shouldn't) specify the recipe, and you prolly shouldn't say that it's a "Ravager" item in your sugg title, as that makes it seem like it'd only be available in late-Hardmode

((also a more apt comparison would be Defiled Feather rather than Ball & Chain))

[hollow shell]

Also yeah bugs go in the bugs channel, Vipr

[languid quartz]

maybe change the title to allow mechs to be spawned at any time

[gray nebula]

simply built different

[worthy lintel]

the mechs don't like the sun

the UV rays makes their paint decay

(byea your sugg needs to fit the formatting and not be a question)

[small timber]

I acknowledge that the suggestion is very controversial, but I think it is somewhat valid

[hollow shell]

I appreciate your extensive reason and analysis

on the other hand:

@left sparrow Do you have any gameplay reasoning to back your suggestion up? Or just the relatively weak "logic" reasoning?

[left sparrow]

It's not a relatively weak reason, it's silly that those giant robots are reserved for night-only

[small timber]

spawning mech on night is a vanilla thing not a calamity addition, which I think is the main reason why it is as it is now

[left sparrow]

I'm aware, but with the addition of the Exo mechs(Which don't require you to spawn them at night afaik), it brought up the question with why the other mechs can't be spawned during the day

[crude geode]

Cuz they’re worse lmao

[worthy lintel]

cosmolight makes that suggestion a bit redundant though

[crude geode]

Yeah

[left sparrow]

yes, but it being permanently night is also annoying

[small timber]

it is basically just following tradition, just like how WoF do not have a direct summon yet

so at the very least you should provide a gameplay reason of why it should be implemented

especially with the existence of cosmolight

[left sparrow]

Well, let me bring up the question of why other bosses can be summoned during the day, then

Why not just make those guys night-only as well?

[small timber]

^

[hollow shell]

I say the "logic" reasoning is weak because it's a rabbit hole that will never end
Not every aspect of gameplay needs a lore explanation

You'd make more headway if your reasoning was based more around how the night fight affects the gameplay experience

[small timber]

less "why they can only be summoned in night", and more "why they should be summonable in day"

[crude geode]

Gameplay also has very weak reasoning considering all the attacks of the mechs glow or are giant mechanical arms directly trying to hit you, so it’s not like visibility is hurt

and rogue gets it’s bonuses during the night iirc

[hollow shell]

The main argument against it would be the time limit that it imposes

[sleek wadi]

Skele prime also malds during the day so summoning him at day will just get you crunched

[hollow shell]

It causes something of a DPS check

[left sparrow]

But, generally dps isn't a problem with the classes against mechs

[small timber]

the only somewhat valid reason I can think of is Night Providence, so you can suggest something like summoning mechs at day convert them to Malice version (like Providence) and drop Malice drops

[left sparrow]

So that's not really a good factor either

[small timber]

which provide interesting alternative way to Challenge Drops rather than only accessible from Malice Mode

[left sparrow]

Hm. That would be cool- maybe the bosses have secret solar panels that give them extra energy or something

That's a good idea, and it would allow them to be summoned during the day

Much better than my idea lul

[hollow shell]

(doesn't mean too much cuz the day-enraged form would be identical to Malice's)

[small timber]

though I think Night Provi is a special case, since it is a direct copy of Malice Providence

so day mechs will have to be made a separate entity

[hollow shell]

Indeed she is a special case.

[left sparrow]

Malice provi is night provi but faster, isn't it?

[hollow shell]

They are literally the same

[left sparrow]

...huh, swore malice was faster. Aight

[small timber]

more like Night Providence is Malice Providence, which is why it drops Malice drops

[crude geode]

Mfw more challenging versions of previous bosses Bc challenge good 😪

[grim tusk]

I though of something similar for infernum Aureus a month ago lmao
Sounds good

[hollow shell]

challenge good challenge good need more challenge need more need more challenge

[grim tusk]

Yes and no, the only faster things are her projectiles

[left sparrow]

I mean, alternate modes for boss fights would make the game feel a bit more alive as opposed to there just being limits that feel silly

[crude geode]

“Touhou that sounds like it’s for weebs no thanks I’ll stick to my very cool and epic Calamity mod”

[small timber]

depends on whether the devs think current Night Providence dropping Malice drops is intended or not, it can go both ways

[hollow shell]

I don't know why that would be unintended

[small timber]

since "techincally", Challenge Drops are exclusively Malice, and Night Providence is still marginally easier than Malice Providence

[hollow shell]

What makes you say that

In what aspect are they different

[crude geode]

Counter argument, this is a video game that doesn’t have to make sense in literally every single aspect

[small timber]

damage

Malice Providence deal significantly more damage

[hollow shell]

Damage...

I'll need to look into that

[grim tusk]

Malice faster projectiles as well

[left sparrow]

Counter counter argument, logical and intuitive game mechanics make it feel more alive and fun

[small timber]

Malice providence can two shot on-tier character, Night Providence I can tank 4-5 shots no problem with healing pots

[grim tusk]

Welcome to a wall of text:

Greatly nerfs the effectiveness of Lifesteal.
Nerfs the effectiveness of the Titanium armor set bonus, doesn't stack with Revengeance Mode.
The Nurse no longer heals you while a boss is alive.
Defense damage is 5% higher than in Death Mode.
Increases damage done by 50% for several debuffs and all Drunk Princess' Drinks that reduce life regen.
All boss minions no longer drop hearts.
Gives every boss a new enraged AI and allows them to drop special Challenge and Legendary Challenge items.
Bosses and their projectiles deal 35% more damage.
Most bosses will enter later phases sooner if the fight has gone on for a long time.
Increases the velocity of most boss projectiles by 25%, this is increased to 35% during Boss Rush.
Boss reactive DR is always active outside of Boss Rush and is increased by 50%.

[hollow shell]

No I meant

for Night Prov specifically

[hollow shell]

Cuz if this is true then that is quite interesting that we allow Malice drops to drop from Night Prov

[crude geode]

Can’t believe Dolos is spamming walls of text smh my head

[small timber]

I will just test it right now to see how noticeable the damage difference is

wait a min

[frozen hornet]

mfw fighting malice prime and suddenly got one-shot

why does prime even one-shot still

Destroyer just turns into malice at day and twins I haven't tried but prime straight up pops your brain and smears it on the floor

[left sparrow]

Prime is just brutal, man

[frozen hornet]

Yeah and the one-shot makes it even more of a pain

I got to 20% or smth and died because of it

[left sparrow]

He's always my hardest fight on my playthroughs

Just always

[crude geode]

Destroyer was for me before it’s wacky laser shit got nerfed the fuck down

[small timber]

Death Night - 236 272, Death Malice - 400 383, Expert Night - 219 223, Expert Malice - 351 314

for fireball and the infernal spear respectively

[left sparrow]

What's the armor value you've got

[left sparrow]

Doesn't matter at all, but mine as well just list that down as well

[small timber]

not perfect set up, but I dont think it is out of the way either

and projectile are NOTICEABLY much faster in Malice (and I feel like MS of the Providence itself too, acceleration seems faster)

[left sparrow]

Hm. Alright

[small timber]

so ya, Malice Providence is way harder than Night Providence

[frozen hornet]

Night provi drops the stuff as well right

[grim tusk]

Ye

[small timber]

ya, Malice drops

[crude geode]

yes that is the point brought up in this convo

[small timber]

and both biome drops (Aegis and Wings)

[frozen hornet]

mm

What if challenge drops drop from regular enrages (like twins' day enrage pre-1.5) and leggies drop from malice

proceeds to balance 42 bosses two more times

maybe not

[crude geode]

That’s not confusing and going against the point of malice compiling enrages into one thing

[small timber]

maybe, I think Night Providence dropping Malice drops "can be" an oversight, since it is probably made that Malice Providence and Night Providence is the same entity, just without Malice modifiers

[crude geode]

That’s actually also a question of if your provi was on death mode or not

[small timber]

ya on death mode

[crude geode]

Ok good

[small timber]

I will just witch to expert Malice real quick to see number differences, will edit above

[crude geode]

Expert mode vs death mode malice shouldn’t make a difference

Since iirc, malice forces death mode AI

[frozen hornet]

yes but not damage values

only AI

[crude geode]

wack

[hollow shell]

What a mess

[small timber]

^

I only test it 1 time but I think it is consistent with their respective modifiers

the main difference is that the damage values are tied to the difficulty modes, Rev and Death add a layer, Malice another layer

all Night Provid do is x2 the base damage

[crude geode]

This hurts my fucking head

[small timber]

behavior wise it is identical (with Malice faster than Death)

[hollow shell]

Can't wait for Master Mode.

[small timber]

Master Mode is just +50% hp and damage (for comparison, they will hurt more than current Death Malice)

if it gone unchanged

and we can add Death and Malice on top of that and the base Master Death Malice will become Master FTW

[crude geode]

For the Worthy is gonna be fun as well

Yet we’re still gonna have even more people asking for more challenge like insatiable masochists

[small timber]

I think at one point Calamity should just say "f that terrible mode known as Master Mode" and drop the Master Mode modifier to like +10% from Expert

[grim tusk]

No need to wait, fargo’s has done it already

[hollow shell]

Master Death Malice ForTheWorthy ArmageddonNoDodge IronHeart Defiled challenge (ALL BOSSES)

[small timber]

it is better that way

[grim tusk]

On shrooms

[small timber]

not like the devs do not have enough headache balancing on Expert already