suggestions-discussion

[knotty sonnet]

My bad didn't know that

[half sage]

then you pretty much set for the rest of phm

[crude geode]

Surprised overdone’s suggestion is valid considering the whole point of defense damage is to prevent you from just face tanking.

[hollow shell]

Ok

@novel belfry Can you add to your suggestion explaining why that attribute should be given to more items considering Defense Damage's intention (stated above)?

Cuz, defensive items would be part of the facetank builds that were problematic enough to cause Defense Damage to become a thing

[small timber]

what if they make hell buildings generate more in clump/concentrated? it is hell cities not hell apartment complex

that way most vanilla features is untouched other than the density of the building, since it is easier to clear a close area rather than across the entire world

[novel belfry]

not finished editing, just asking how it currently is

[small timber]

the higher your defense the less defense damage you take, which is not addressed

so you already, in some sense, take less defense damage

since your suggestion is targetting directly that post-tier armor should provide defense damage protection to pre-tier bosses/enemies

[novel belfry]

nvm

i'll figure it out later

[small timber]

if anything I think a suggestion to make some bosses drop defense damage reduction item will make more sense (like a weaker Draedon's Heart that only reduce defense damage you take)

rather than a generic formula change across the board

[novel belfry]

actually that sounds like a good idea

that was actually what I was trying to get across

[unborn siren]

@heavy vessel that has a lot of formatting issues

[safe oasis]

it doesn't help them if you don't tell them what the formatting issues even are

[heavy vessel]

Ok

[unborn siren]

[safe oasis]

regardless of that though, tmod 1.4 suggs count as suggs for future content, which is a don't anyway

[heavy vessel]

What about a tamer class we're instead of just summoning creatures you tame creatures like slimes and bunnies running around

[small timber]

not a calamity feature

[heavy vessel]

I just think it would be cool to add it

[cobalt pewter]

from what I can understand, it seems like they're asking for the 1.4 style godmode, which outright removes your hitbox

[small timber]

or in another word it will probably be faster if you tell someone to mod if for you instead of suggesting it in calamity, unironically

[cobalt pewter]

but it's out of cal's reach yes

@hollow shell no more bloons :( (this sugg is yea)

[hollow shell]

mm.

Don't make suggestions about future content like Journey's End

We'll get there when we get there

[safe oasis]

looked like they were just saying that there should be a thing that overrides godmode and kills you with a message

[frail mortar]

They could technically do it with boss rush DoG

DoG one shots you if you use cheatsheet's godmode

Only in boss rush though

[small timber]

DoG insta kill removed no?

not sure about yharon boarder though, last time I checked it don't kill me in god mode

[cobalt heath]

oh yes the charred idol sugg got 200 votes

[cobalt heath]

should a drag channel be made?

(for voice chats)

[frozen hornet]

@cerulean vault don't send random messages in there

[fossil bronze]

i had an idea but idk if its feasible to implemrnt

theres a mod called segmented enemy overhaul

it makes worms share iframes across every segment

would it be possible for that to be added to calamity and replace worms resistance to peircing weapons

[earnest raptor]

you would have to cut their health

[fossil bronze]

why

[earnest raptor]

because worms have high HP as they are vulnerable at many segments

[fossil bronze]

ah

[earnest raptor]

also, some DoG meta relies on piercing and hitting segments

so those weapons would need the rebalance

[fossil bronze]

hmm
makes sense

another thing it would solve would be worm enemies being immune while unraveling

for example worms in boss rush are easily shreddable

but you have to wait for them to unravel to attack

its just boring

[fossil finch]

Can you guys even control recipe order

[eternal escarp]

Wanted to ask that

[fossil finch]

Aside that, there's also no reasoning

[eternal escarp]

i dont think its actually alphabetical sorting, so.. maybe?

[fossil finch]

(No, it's not implied

[eternal escarp]

though yeah

@surreal drum you should elaborate a bit more on the reasoning

explain why this should be a thing

[surreal drum]

Can you please help me with the grammar too?

[eternal escarp]

if i spot anything ill try, sure

also, small nitpick

Reaver armor isnt seperated to classes, so that example doesnt work as well

your sugg stands for the rest of the armors though, given reason ofc

it looks pretty readable

[surreal drum]

Also changed reaver to daedalus set

[eternal escarp]

looks good i think ye

[gray nebula]

how even is the order of stuff determined

[fossil bronze]

no idea

i would personally request if this can be changed

for calam recipes to sortproperly

with vanilla recipes

rn they all appear beloe the vanills recipes

[exotic stag]

probably ID values

[distant gyro]

ID, yes

in this case: internal names

which means it's sorted alphabetically

[eternal escarp]

oh

guess i am technically wrong then

[distant gyro]

in case you can't tell

[eternal escarp]

though you could change the internal helmet names to be like, ADaedalusHelmet | BDaedalusVisor whatever ig

so the sugg is theoretically feasable?

[distant gyro]

Take Aerospec as example:
Breastplate --> Hat --> ... --> Leggings

no, because that would clump all the armors

[eternal escarp]

ah

[distant gyro]

it would be something like DaedalusAHelmet

but that's rather odd

[eternal escarp]

ah yeah, makes sense

[swift mango]

Would something like DaedalusMeleeHelmet or something not work?

[humble sonnet]

i was wondering, Minions sometimes cause immunity frames that conflict with other weapons when used by the same character, when tModLoader 1.4 comes out, Summoners will have Whips, so then comes my question: How exactly will Whips's Immunity Frames work along minions?

[cobalt pewter]

@scenic finch lacks reasoning, check the formatting

@runic wraith what

[scenic finch]

yeah i am changing it rn i forgot to read that

[cobalt pewter]

[runic wraith]

basically get the first kill reward of armageddon if you don't have armageddon on but no hit the boss

[cobalt pewter]

ah

[scenic finch]

alright i edited it

[cobalt pewter]

interesting, I don't really know about exo mechs fight, but I did hear Final Dawn's alt attacks are pretty clunky to use

[grim tusk]

@cerulean vault that is not the place to chat
@scenic finch gotta ask for the donor’s permission and better reasoning (also that can get fixed by just getting used to it, and besides that other stealth strike is actually useful, Thanathos doesn’t like it)

[cerulean vault]

I don't know what the message I sent was, but I wasn't around when that happened. I left my computer on overnight and I guess it happened to be in #suggestions-posting, so a cat may have walked on my keyboard and sent some messages.
If the message(s) was coherent, then I really better change my password

[grim tusk]

You get used to em, but once you do

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message

[cerulean vault]

Yep, that was probably my cat

Apologies for that

[grim tusk]

Yea no problem

[hearty yew]

I checked the channel for you and there's no single message "essay" on supernova. For your convenience, I will presently create one (since I'll be honest, I still haven't touched Supernova, nor Nanoblack SS, nor Megalodon line, nor Triactis Hammer, nor any of my ever expanding list of reworks...)

[cobalt pewter]

huh, I remember you sending a gif of an example how Supernova SS would kinda look, but sure

[eternal escarp]

i suspect you just dreamt up the gif iirc

[exotic stag]

loki dreaming? noo..

[frozen hornet]

I remember the gif

he did not dream it

[hearty yew]

Supernova is being adjusted to be a very slow (think AMR) "smart bomb" which you deploy. After a brief delay it arms, engages precision Exo thrusters like the blue Deadly Sphere, and then flies into the nearest boss with ever increasing accelerative homing.

On impact, regular Supernova will explode into 36 gleaming Exo Fusion Fragments which then violently collapse inwards, producing the current fancy explosion animation. The fragments hit twice for 3% base damage each hit; the explosion has 100% base damage. Of note, Supernova itself (the smart bomb) cannot deal damage, and detonates on proximity.

Stealth strikes instead recombine into a bright green Wave Pounder blast which deals continuous damage due to the excessive ultra high energy radiation.

I will send the gif momentarily.

[grim tusk]

I just remember a less detailed explanation of what Ozz just sent

[frozen hornet]

oh god supernova becomes the successor to the fard nuke

[hearty yew]

https://imgur.com/HYdfv8N

[grim tusk]

But if he sent a gif of that it would be leaking

[cobalt pewter]

farding

[hearty yew]

Apparently devs don't have embed perms here...

Awkward.

But that's the gif.

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

[cobalt pewter]

epic embed fail

[exotic stag]

so it just fards.

[cobalt pewter]

but thanks

[grim tusk]

Ok thats messed up, iirc everyone else does have perms here

[exotic stag]

yep i do

and i have no roles

[eternal escarp]

https://imgur.com/HYdfv8N for convenience then

[grim tusk]

Asides from the obvious warned

[eternal escarp]

(im on phone no idea if it worked lo)

[hearty yew]

I'm pretty much allowed to leak whatever the hell I want, mind you. I just tend to send it to Patreon server to make their money worthwhile.

[exotic stag]

no it didnt blast

[eternal escarp]

trolled

[grim tusk]

Maybe its a problem with imgur

[eternal escarp]

yeah maybe its the specific one

[grim tusk]

Huh, alright thanks for the clarification

[hearty yew]

Anyway

For the real reason I came here

not just quickly searching my name to look for people who chose for some reason not to ping me

I think it would be disorienting to the player base at large for stealth to be renamed to focus, even though I've considered it myself rather seriously

I want to remove stealth invisibility regardless of the rename

Stealth Dye will exist which will let you turn translucent as you gain stealth

if you want the visual as a customizable thing you can place on specific equipment

Renaming stealth to focus would require us to change 300 tooltips and, like I said, would confuse the player base.

[grim tusk]

Agreed

Stealth is just too iconic now

[hearty yew]

So, yes

Stealth ideally is actually focus

But we're in too deep to rename it

And "stealth strike" sounds cool as hell, besides.

I do agree it is amusing that as stealth has been changed repeatedly, everything stealthy about it has been removed

[exotic stag]

the only reason i said stealth shouldnt be changed is because of assassins using stealthy takedowns.

[thick river]

Well it makes less sense when you aren’t using a stealth strike on an enemy that doesn’t see you

So when there’s an enemy or boss actively aggroed to you it wouldn’t make sense

[torn crown]

I thought the supernova rework came along with 1.5 and I coped hard

[dapper coral]

https://imgur.com/HYdfv8N

[eternal escarp]

that is a really pretty visualization tbh

[civic pond]

Awooga

[daring imp]

i got a really epic idea

clothier and guide voodoo dolls in a jar

[frail mantle]

No

[daring imp]

they can be used to summon the respective boss without being consumed and killing the respective npc

[exotic stag]

No.

you only need to grind one clothier voodoo doll for skeletron. and wof grinding gives enough voodoo dolls anyway

[worthy lintel]

@deep dust You need to provide reasoning

[worthy lintel]

@brazen pendant Careful to respect suggestion format

check the pins

[oak sage]

so why exactly is it that we cant suggest stuff like

"Split the environmental effects and boss difficulty effects of death mode into two items for consistency and more player freedom"

Remember how the defiled rune used to also make it so that enemies can crit you? before it was the defiled feather it did two vastly different things and you didnt have a choice.

Why can't environmental effects and boss difficulty of death mode be split?

[frail mantle]

Because the environmental effects are part of what makes death mode special

If you don’t care about the environmental effects but want to fight death mode bosses you can also just turn death on for boss fights and off for everything else

[oak sage]

im pretty sure what makes death mode special is the boss difficulty and changes?

[frail mantle]

Rev and expert also makes bosses more difficult by changing them

But they don’t have environmental effects

[oak sage]

exactly

thats the point

[frail mantle]

That’s what makes death mode stand out

[oak sage]

also death mode makes bosses randomly spawn and makes enemies deal more damage

so you cant just have the environmental effects and disable it when a boss comes

im really just wondering if there was any other reasons

[frail mantle]

Basically

[crude geode]

“brutal” environmental effects lol

Is there literally any plans about improving the environmental effects of death mode considering there have been two delivered and 👍 suggestions in the past about it

[oak sage]

remember when the defiled rune fucking made bosses have double defense

glad it was changed

[dapper coral]

it's really just the fact that just as boss changes are part of death, so are environmental effects, and if you wanna play the mode you gotta deal with both because you chose to play the hardest mode
any decision that would cause environmental effects to be removed from death isn't gonna be made due to the public suggestion system so there's no point in asking for it to be removed

[dapper coral]

one day

way too many other things to sort out first

like, literally everything that got cut from 1.5

and more balancing

[daring imp]

oh ye but they wouldn't require the respective npcs to be alive and wouldn't kill them

[dapper coral]

and other stuff

[daring imp]

they upset the bosses enough already

[gray nebula]

lmfao

[exotic stag]

i mean i have an idea for better environmental effects

like literally just rain

making rain do more then just "haha umbrella and rain coat"

[half sage]

turn wet into an actual debuff and have it inflict wet on the player

[exotic stag]

yes thats what it was gonna do

weaken your armor by like 3 points and make you slippery because well. rain makes things weaker

[crude geode]

You clearly haven’t done death mode rain lol

Or at least not when it first came out

Because lightning strikes spooky

[hollow shell]

@green lotus Shoulda mentioned it earlier but there's an issue with your sugg, indicated by the 🗜️ reaction. I'm not exactly sure what or why, but the line breaks separating your title from your reason seem to be uncommon line breaks, and probably need to be inputted from a different device than the one you used to write the sugg with, or I guess..

copy-pasted from other message linebreaks

[green lotus]

ok thx for telling me.

[hollow shell]

Aight thanks for (probably) fixing
We'll see if it worked when suggbot comes back online which it seems to not be atm

@ashen warren Suggbot appears to be down

@proud quest You're going to need to elaborate and also provide a reason why

Use linebreaks (shift+enter on PC) to separate em from your title line

[proud quest]

sorry i was trying to sperate

[hollow shell]

aight

[languid quartz]

aren't suggs to revert changes not allowed

🤨

[hollow shell]

I'll see what this sugg's talkin about first

[languid quartz]

ah fair

[proud quest]

@hollow shell done

[hollow shell]

Alright, I see

Reverting the fight to its state from over a year ago is very likely not going to happen

[proud quest]

yeah but

i feel like reducing the bullet hell parts

would be very

[hollow shell]

It would be more productive to explain why you aren't content with the current fight, what could be changed about the current fight to make it more engaging in your eyes

[proud quest]

good

alright

[hollow shell]

Yeah like that

[proud quest]

done again

is that good

[hollow shell]

(and, change your title line too)

[proud quest]

how do i do that

[hollow shell]

Just edit it

"title line" as in the one at the top

[proud quest]

no i mean you talking about making it bold or changing it

[hollow shell]

Changing it to be something that's not asking for a revert

Making it bold is optional

Much better, thank you

[proud quest]

ok

[grim tusk]

Yea new Yharon although it finally has that difficulty that was missing from R&D needs to be less bullet hell-ish and more fishron-like (full Fishron yharon was bad, but now its the opposite problem)

Or maybe changing the bullet hells a bit

[hollow shell]

I got my ass caved in by pre-R&D Yharon so I can't say I agree with a reversion

[grim tusk]

Yea pre-R&D Yharon was god awful

Another idea is adding yet more bullet hell variants

[proud quest]

no

[grim tusk]

Rather than being flame circles you could have meteors used instead

[proud quest]

i would rather have a fight where it depends on the skill not the size of your monitor

[grim tusk]

Meteors feel very underused on New Yharon

Also pretty sure most of my copypasta on how to beat yharon still works (the one here, not the nohit server one, that one is outdated)

[proud quest]

i was able to beat yharon pre rust and dust with a small monitor

[languid quartz]

what if he just went sicko mode in sub7 and double his dash speed

[proud quest]

at least make a pre r&d version thats a bit more nerfed if it was that hard

or easy

idfk

one bullet hell is alright but it happens like 5 times every 30 seconds

[grim tusk]

#help-advice-read-pins message

Updated outdated line about final dawn (no longer usable vs Yharon)

[proud quest]

its still annoying asf

even if i dodge it

i wont feel like a badass anymore

just feels like a chore

:/

[exotic stag]

(Insert yes i agree superbosses having minions that do similar things to that is cringe.)

[gray nebula]

unfortunate abbreviation

[ashen warren]

lmao

[half sage]

[grim tusk]

@quasi pelican AEW is a superboss, if hard then good
If you want to provide reasoning for the juveniles try using outside the fight examples (say grinding for that soul edge)

[quasi pelican]

hard should be avoidable

but juveniles tekekenisis is not

[grim tusk]

Yea but juveniles spawn outside the fight

[exotic stag]

(i mean most of AA's final bosses are superbosses. and you dont see them throwing out telekinesis throwing you into themself)

(although aa is different)

[quasi pelican]

they are a minion for AEW,also the attack is generally just RNG

[hollow shell]

It would be nice if they at the very least had a telegraph

[quasi pelican]

yes

telegraph the direction to

[hollow shell]

Like a ghostly arrow pointing in the direction that you'll be thrown, which gets more visibly intense over the course of a few seconds before activating

[quasi pelican]

that way you could position for it

[river glen]

also AEW most likely does not ohko you

its damage was nered i think

[exotic stag]

or make it throw out a projectile that sends you in that telekinesis state.

[hollow shell]

AEW's head has a base damage of around 850

[hollow shell]

That works too

[river glen]

dont u have like a shit ton of defense tho..

[hollow shell]

Even if the proj has got infinite lifetime and unavoidably strong homing, like a Yharon flarenado spawner, you could at least see it coming
(hopefully. It might get lost in the fray actually)

[ashen warren]

okay, will fix

give it 30s

[safe oasis]

i have to wonder what makes it go down so much when it gets fixed in like less than a minute every time

[exotic stag]

uh

1.5

[hollow shell]

Sweet, it's back up. Thank you

[quasi pelican]

not with a glass cannon setup

[hollow shell]

@neat nexus I think you're misinterpreting what the "Air is burning" status message indicates

That's for the Icarus's Folly debuff, which reduces your wing time, and it always occurs just before Prov leaves her cocoon phase

I think you're thinking about the Holy Inferno debuff, which is a DoT that activates when you get too far from Providence, and can happen throughout the whole fight (it's just more apparent during cocoons cuz that's when she's not following you)

It has no status message, but a fire graphic appears on the player when you get it

[quasi pelican]

also cocoons make holy inferno 2.5x smaller

[hollow shell]

Is that so

[quasi pelican]

yes

[fossil finch]

Shall rover check the source™️

[quasi pelican]

that's why at guardians you take no debuffs and then suddenly dhe start cocoon and you die

[hollow shell]

Okay yeah it does get smaller during cocoons but it's nowhere near a 2.5x decrease

It varies based on the difficulty mode, but the only time it gets close to even being half the default distance is in Death Mode or Night Prov

[quasi pelican]

ah ok

[hollow shell]

(also the distance changes depending on if it's an anti-heal star cocoon or a spear cocoon)

(Spear cocoons are the smaller of the two)

[quasi pelican]

you never activate holy inferno in non cocoons

so it is hard to get scale of it

[hollow shell]

You can, it's just really hard, cuz Prov always tries staying close to you

[quasi pelican]

maybe on expert and normsl

but provi always accelerates in rev+

up to around 2x speed

[half sage]

that's not even a suggestion

that's a question for #help-advice-read-pins or #calamity-mod-talk

[ashen warren]

@glad shoal wrong channel..

[drowsy plank]

lmao yeah i was gonna say that

[river glen]

even with glass cannon i have 100 defence min

[ripe owl]

@heavy vessel your suggestion is not a suggestion

[quasi pelican]

100 defence tanks 75 damage

out of 850

also glass cannons may use DSA

so a extra 15% extra damage

+debuff damage

[exotic stag]

i mean teiull knows i made a tank build in calamity. and that was getting oneshot too

300+ defense + 4k hp is not enough to tank AEW head on

(i was taking 4k per hit. so i had to grind to 7k to even do it well)

not 4k i mean 1k

[daring imp]

@neat nexus #suggestions-posting message
please fix your suggestion so i can vote it

[river glen]

that is ur problem then..... pure glass cannons are meant to be "frail but output a lt of damage"

[exotic stag]

understandable.

[worthy lintel]

Nohits are not a valid reason to back a suggestion but I do admit it should be an instantkill since Arma stuff and yes

But debuffs are funny

[exotic stag]

i mean arma is a nohit mode so like

[worthy lintel]

(My point is that using nohit roles/judging process is not a reason that is considered for suggestions)

[exotic stag]

(make arma required for nohits

[earnest raptor]

I mean

If any mistake with Armageddon is supposed to be fatal?

Then why distance limit from Provi is not affected?

[worthy lintel]

debuffs have an history of not being considered by Arma

[neat nexus]

Ok give me a few hours, I'm at work atm.

[earnest raptor]

Usually debuffs are inflicted by attacks.

[neat nexus]

Oh, my bad. But yeah I was referring to that debuff.

I think I fixed it, let me know.

[hollow shell]

👍

Looks good

[crude geode]

no hitters 🤢

[lavish cloak]

🤮

[hollow shell]

@viral forge The hell are you farming?

(Also, Autotrash may be a help)

[crude geode]

this suggestion absolutely ignores the purpose of treasure bags lol

[viral forge]

endothermic energy atm and ive crashed 5 times now and lost of the energy from frost moon

[hollow shell]

Okay yeah the holiday moons makes sense

But yeah Autotrash big recommend

[viral forge]

is that a mod or smthing

[hollow shell]

Yes

[viral forge]

send pls

[hollow shell]

It's on the Browser

[lavish cloak]

yeah

[viral forge]

i have 8gb of ram and pc no like frost moon

[lavish cloak]

literally the game is unplayable without it

[viral forge]

64bit uses all it can

im on 64bit

[small timber]

autotrash is basically immediately trash away a selected item when it enter into your inventory

[hollow shell]

And you can put as many items as you want into it

[viral forge]

thank you my lord and savior

[fossil finch]

I've never had my game crash of an oom while playing

lo

[small timber]

ya you need to really zerg super hard for it to happen, but with auto trash it is likely to never happen

[fossil finch]

I've used zerg super hard and still

[small timber]

on not-strong pc it may crash, my previous pc crash whenever I use zerg

and item not stacking definitely contribute to the crash

[fossil finch]

i mean I'm just commenting not to undermine this guy's experience or sugg

Bro my pc is fucking shit

It's just skilled

[small timber]

I am just not skilled enough for my pc to not crash from 200 enemies on the screen Sadge

[hollow idol]

would making the ancient table be a 2x2 tile be a suggestion or a bug/oversight (it is currently 3x2 so invisible space is taken up and you can just stand on air)

no? you can stand on all tables

[dusty hamlet]

okokok

i have an idea

now her me out

ladies and gentlemen i present to you tenebris biome:

the image speaks for itsself honestly

[hollow idol]

I agree (no

[dusty hamlet]

honestly probably my best idea for the mod

might actually post it as a suggestion

[ruby plover]

It seems a tad. Depressing

[dusty hamlet]

that sounds like a you problem

[drowsy plank]

i think overhauling underworld generation to actually be conductive to fighting WoF is a great idea

i always considered those thoughts or maybe even adding a literal "hellbridge" which would just be a decrepit moat bridge over spans of lava, which would be quite useful while trying to fight a boss which greatly seems to prefer a line of sight to the player/flat terrarain

[small timber]

I think a literal "hellbridge" might be hard to do, at least incentive wise

[cobalt pewter]

and I don't see the reason to defend current underworld gen tbh, for the most part it's kinda empty sure, but the city is fucking ugly lol

[small timber]

I thought of it and I explicitly didnt suggest it beause of that

[cobalt pewter]

they get too much in the way and they don't look good or even "ruined" in the first place

they're just fucking shoeboxes

[dusty hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-marvel-avengers-gif-14328153

[frozen hornet]

You can't suggest entire biomes

[golden narwhal]

Idea stemming from this sugg: make WoF overall slower across all the gamemodes?

Calamity speeds up WoF for difficulty, but doesn't do much to accommodate the arena needed for this speed (afaik)

[small timber]

WoF is slower across all difficulties

compare to vanilla

just that its laser fire pattern makes it that the player have to run away at very high speed, the WoF itself unironically is not very fast in Calamity even for Death Mode

[golden narwhal]

If that's the case, that's good ig

[torn crown]

If anything Wof's full speed just hinders rogue players from stopping to build up stealth

[cobalt pewter]

while standing still isn't mandatory for stealth, it is true that you'll need to rely on moving regen almost all the time with wof

[golden narwhal]

Yea, still do like the idea of a slower WoF

Probably revisiting the concept once sugg posting dies down

[crude geode]

It’ll only take a couple of months

[cobalt pewter]

I want to see WoF just casually stops while something blocks the player's way from going further

for a brief time

[frail mantle]

turn WoF into the wallmonger

[cobalt pewter]

true!

[golden narwhal]

honestly that was the internal comparison I was making

[cobalt pewter]

[frail mantle]

tbh considering how the wallmonger seems to have been inspired by woffle it's kinda weird how wallmonger executes the concept of a boss who stays in one part of the screen and slowly moves towards you better than terraria did

[cobalt pewter]

I mean

[frail mantle]

then again gungeon bosses tend to be more complex than terraria bosses

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not surprised, I'd say Terraria introduced the wild idea of a

moving wall boss

even tho it's shit in practice

gungeon just does the concept better

[frail mantle]

yea

the waffle just needs some more attacks utilizing the concept of it actually being a wall

[cobalt pewter]

mhm

[frail mantle]

rather than its sole attacks being laser and laser harder

[cobalt pewter]

Wallmonger has a multitude of attacks despite being a wall of the damned Gungeon bullets

and it doesn't constantly try to zoom all the time

it sets its own pacing, and might be what makes wallmonger way better than wof for me

it doesn't try to constantly pressure you into the end of the room unlike WoF

[frail mantle]

wallmonger also isn't limited by the hardest part of the fight being arena preparation

[cobalt pewter]

true!

(it has its own room, which is good)

and even, by some jest, you need to make an arena, at least you don't need 1000 of anything to make it

[small timber]

a slower WoF can work, but they probably have to limit it to Rev+ AI change since only Rev+ have the dash

otherwise WoF will be way too easy

and if they are making a slow WoF they probably have to incorporate some form of melee/close range attack for WoF to make it interesting, otherwise it is just close range laser dodge

we are not Matrix we cant do it

[eternal escarp]

Wallmonger also does it better by not actually having an arena end iirc, if i remember correctly the fight actually stays in place while giving the illusion of moving

[cobalt pewter]

as much as I love to shit on Emode, at least its wof actually has more than 1 attack

[cobalt pewter]

honestly I can't remember

[eternal escarp]

well the room after you fight him feels

comically small

[cobalt pewter]

haven't played gungeon in while to remember that part in particular

[eternal escarp]

to the fight itself

so it definitelly has some trickery

[cobalt pewter]

I do remember one time you could actually be on the end of the room eventually, it's just that you're not automatically thanosed for doing so

it's been a while tho

and might need confirmation

[eternal escarp]

been a while since i played aswell byeah

also EMode also does a nice job af making WoF decide the pace rather then the player

WoF charging in rev+ atleast does smthn

but its still possible to just outrun with no care sometimes

probably even easier with the new 1.5 movement

and the curse that is Sandstorm in a Bottle with it

[cobalt pewter]

WoF charging in rev+ is mostly just to prevent cheesing ig, but I feel like having it control the player's pacing would be better

instead of letting them go nyoom

[eternal escarp]

if it would control the players pace itd definitely have way more room to make unique attacks and shtuff

[cobalt pewter]

almost always WoF is all about nyoom

[eternal escarp]

even an attack that the player would want to stay close rather then far would do the trick

[crude geode]

I’m surprised no one has brought up the obvious fact that Wallmonger controls your speed by physically stopping you from moving too far away from it, while WoF will just let you go.

[eternal escarp]

so the player rathers stay close to WoF to make the attack easier

do you mean like, the game screen?

[crude geode]

Yeah

[cobalt pewter]

yeah

[eternal escarp]

tbf i thought it was a given

[cobalt pewter]

i forgot to mention that i think

and same, kinda thought it's obvious when I finally remembered

[eternal escarp]

a "wall" boss would almost always get invalidated if the player could just

run indefinitely

[crude geode]

Oh hey look WoF let’s you run (pretty much) indefinitely

[eternal escarp]

yeah lo

ehich lead us to this point

either a form of arena limitation / distance limiter via some atta k or mechanic would already sound like its improve the fights pace a ton

[cobalt pewter]

instead of a hard lock, perhaps the camera during WoF fight is focused onto the boss, while the player can still move around, but good luck avoiding anything off screen lol

[eternal escarp]

and give WoF the opportunity to have a better fight

that is possible, but it sounds meh tbh

especially that if it locks on WoF

[frail mantle]

he does actually move

[eternal escarp]

you see half behind him making your screen extra small

[frail mantle]

and the room does actually have a bottom wall, although it is really far back

[eternal escarp]

oh?

[frail mantle]

if you do end up taking too long you just explode violently

(with REALISTIC blood)

[eternal escarp]

i remembered that, when you kill Wallmonger, the room in the end feels smaller then the actual fight time

[frail mantle]

he moves slowly enough that you'll usually never actually have to worry about running out of room

[eternal escarp]

thats fair, yeah

i stand corrected then

[distant gyro]

wallmonger is just superior

[eternal escarp]

Wallmonger is also, drum rolls

fun

[crude geode]

The difference between the two is that wallmonger is like fighting a wall in a normal house, while fighting wall of flesh is like fighting a wall on a empty highway

[eternal escarp]

[frail mantle]

that's a really good comparison

[eternal escarp]

yeah

insert "WoF should have a subworld arena so it can have obstacles" moment

[cobalt pewter]

WoF should have a subworld arena so it can have obstacles

[eternal escarp]

[cobalt pewter]

unironically would've been a shortcut to the issue of ugly hell houses blocking most of the way

[eternal escarp]

lmao true

[crude geode]

Just make wall of flesh spawn hungries and leeches more when damaged

[frozen hornet]

That would be annoying for slow/non-piercing weapons

especially some stealth weapons

[cobalt pewter]

@quasi pelican save the sugg for after .004 drops

future content is a don't

[quasi pelican]

ah ok

[cobalt pewter]

(changelogs-only thing counts)

[quasi pelican]

well it drops in 2 days

I will save it in my clipboard then

or a notepad document

[frozen hornet]

(where did you get that

[ripe owl]

From his head :desolage:

[frozen hornet]

Unreliable information smh....

[quasi pelican]

around 2 days

it is near dropping anyway

[frozen hornet]

so it's baseless then

[quasi pelican]

yes

just like me

unbased

[small timber]

what even is "forbidden fragment abuse" in changelog

for arid artifact

[cobalt pewter]

looks like a bad wording, they probably meant to say they raised the recipes for blood moon and sandstorm spawners because they're becoming non-consumable

probably

[small timber]

wording is a bit confusing, I only see "vanilla event summon", not sure is summon for vanilla event (therefore all) or event summon item from vanilla

[distant gyro]

yes

most event summons are becoming non-consumable, not just vanilla ones

the experience of github commits

[small timber]

I don't think most will be abusable, other than blood moon

blood orbs and 10x zerg potion in death mode

it is just an infinite zerg pot

[cobalt pewter]

now fab's wording makes sense

[cobalt pewter]

@scenic compass WAY too specific

read the don'ts doc pinned here

[hardy dock]

Specific suggestion lmao

Go pay Fabsol iirc

[frail mantle]

except you can't donate for items anymore

[cobalt pewter]

it is

and seems like they're ding dong ditching

[earnest raptor]

that's sugg is a bit sissy

at least the suggestion is formatted properly

so it's not a huge combo of rule breaking

[grim tusk]

And what he asks is pointless anyways as celestial shell exists

@placid monolith nuclear terror is part of Acid rain t3 which is on boss checklist
Great sand shark is on the checklist, and so is giant clam

The rest dont as they are more of chonkier enemy iirc

[placid monolith]

I know it’s that every other mod has all there bosses and mini bosses

And I would say that reaper shark deserves to be on there

[torn crown]

If most vanilla items (broadswords) are given autouse, what if spiky balls also get autouse?

Every other kind of spiky ball has autouse

Including the sticky and bouncy ones

[cobalt pewter]

uhhhhhhhh

[torn crown]

They're pretty poggers because of rogue stealth rework

[cobalt pewter]

pretend i don't exist

[torn crown]

Well, not spiky balls but yeah

Always has been

Rogue is internally known as throwing damage

[red edge]

@scenic compass yo is that A MOTHERFUCKING JOJO RÉFÉRENCE?

[torn crown]

So it doesn't make any difference (maybe except for lacking a stealth strike but yeah)

[cobalt pewter]

spiky balls themselves are still throwing dmg

but all cal spiky balls are rogue

including sticky and bouncy

[grim tusk]

Sticky spikeballs stealth stupid strong, bouncy spike balls shit, metal monstrosity good on spam, burning strife is ok, the post-ML spikeballs are meh.

[torn crown]

God's Paranoia is now poggers

The provi one is kinda still meh though

[grim tusk]

Why would it be if dmode blood moon just exists

[cobalt pewter]

dmode blood moon

more like

my laptop dies

[grim tusk]

Free blood orbs

Just set up lava pit

And have a weapon for wraiths

Yes

[north plank]

who needs draedon when wof is right there

[grim tusk]

Question: Can Trial Mods mark suggs as ❗ ?

If so well, we got a SIS right on #suggestions-posting

Or invisible

One t-mod, 4 mods. Well we wait

[north plank]

ye which one

moonstone upgrade? gotcha

[grim tusk]

👍

[north plank]

and you can ping me even if I’m not online but was recently active, I try to get to things if no one else does

[oak sage]

so whats the limit on suggestion size

with 1 being "fix a spelling mistake" and 10 being "redo the mod"

whats the point at which a suggestion is so much of an undertaking that it would be denied no matter what

[cobalt pewter]

there's no fixed limits, but 10 is definitely past the limit

[oak sage]

yeah lmao

[cobalt pewter]

[oak sage]

i did read it

[cobalt pewter]

new boss counts as the limit I guess

(though it lines up with other sugg don'ts as well so)

[oak sage]

well what about asking for new content in a specific area?

[cobalt pewter]

(like specificity)

[cobalt pewter]

probably not an issue size wise

really depends on the content

[oak sage]

"redo the mod lol"

[cobalt pewter]

[oak sage]

"hey guys so like EoW is bad just make a new one"

ship in EoW 2

okay anyways

so here is my idea

its composed of like... 4 parts?

1. the general idea

2. why this is a good idea

3. proposed idea (based not on what i personally would think to be the coolest, but rather what would seem to be the easiest and most acceptable)

4. addressing complications

[grim tusk]

The fogbound

Prob an oversight when swapping materials, but funny

[sleek turret]

painful low% yharon

(don't do it)

[grim tusk]

Discord message character limit lol

[small timber]

is rdr confirm to be removed next patch?

because it says "timed DR", not sure if it is rdr or not

[grim tusk]

You can do ML instead of folly, equal number of bosses

[grim tusk]

Yes except for malice

[sleek turret]

wait you can

[small timber]

hmm then I should hold off on my suggestion to see how they balance it

[grim tusk]

Draconic swarmers

[small timber]

because originally I thought of a suggestion that "Move part of Adrenaline damage to give damage reduction and completely remove rdr"

because currently rdr exist basically only for adrenaline

[sleek turret]

not a detail I checked in my pt since I just did the general "I'll do the recommended progression"

[tardy smelt]

been outta touch with this channel for a while... has the star req been lowered?

[worthy lintel]

still officially 270

for now

[tardy smelt]

noted

I'll be holding off making suggestions then, the chances that they get through are pretty minimal at the moment anyway

[worthy lintel]

no, still make them

even if they dont meet the star requirements they can still pass under dev's discretion

[tardy smelt]

ah.

I see

[worthy lintel]

for example there was a sugg a few days ago to make seafood craftable earlier

didnt meet star requirements but was still written in changelogs

same for scarlet devil using Phantasmal Ruin instead of Infernal Spear

[exotic stag]

ethereal extorter

[cobalt heath]

😉

[worthy lintel]

[eager salmon]

Another one was them rebalancing post-ml enemies to match the new power curve.

[torn crown]

RDR exists in non-adrenaline difficulties though

I.e. Normal/Expert

[orchid briar]

Aren't you going to be able to kill repair drones in the latest patches

[tardy smelt]

welp

done.

[worthy lintel]

||Good suggestion, based and redpilled||

However the cataclysmic spawn rates are intended as part of Death Mode and most terraria players are aware that blood moons occur at 120 hp so it's a bit unlikely to pass

(also locking it behind a boss would mean locking items such as STN pretty late in progression relative to their effectiveness so I would stick to HP adjustements)

[exotic stag]

just make it 200 hp like most of the other events

[green spindle]

I really hope something is done to it, literally anything for early game to be just little less hellish

[deft yew]

[cobalt pewter]

cope harder (don't use death mode ig)

[crystal iron]

I'm late and idk if this was discussed but to add onto
.Lemon's sugg I think stackable items should also clump together when on ground/air. It would make things much cleaner

Kinda like in "forager"

[half sage]

damn 5 hours, that's a new record

didn't even make it to voting

[cobalt pewter]

probably the sugg and the devs aren't related

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[grim tusk]

@wicked totem formatting

Shift + enter

[wicked totem]

like that?

[half sage]

also expand reasoning, like mentioning how pretty much every other naturally spawning boss has a spawn blocker

[grim tusk]

yea better

[gray nebula]

@lavish cloak i wholeheartedly agree with ur sugg but also wow u kinda dropped the ball with the example u gave

make the astral mfs work together as a hive mind or whatever, with some worker units and some defensive ones, and stuff, and epic

thankfully this is planned (or if it isnt i will make it be planned )

[lavish cloak]

i had to put the bar low or else my suggestions would be crazy long and wildly unrealistic

[gray nebula]

true

i mean uc ould just have given a vague example

but dw we are already on it 👍 (tho first comes the sunken sea

[lavish cloak]

ive seen people bitch about vauge suggestions and not being clear and cut about how to improve it

[gray nebula]

suspicious sea

fair

[lavish cloak]

but yeah glad to know astral infection wont go unnoticed

[gray nebula]

[cobalt pewter]

sus

even tho I don't like Malice as how it ended up atm, fuck going back to old RIV/legendary system

let it fucking die

[lavish cloak]

yeah malice bosses kinda poopoo but having to grind for the drops is a million times worse

[half sage]

fuckin me trying to get blossom flux in my 1.4 ranger pt

[gray nebula]

terraria gamers assuring you that no dont worry its fun and engaging to just grind for 2 hours

👍 🙂

[cobalt pewter]

the peak of Terraria gameplay indeed

[lavish cloak]

terraria (2d minecraft where you grind 80% of the time)

[modest cobalt]

Vanilla rod grinders:

[lavish cloak]

[gray nebula]

janded mindset

[modest cobalt]

but 2 weeks grinding time

[cobalt pewter]

@wicked totem I can see this happening as an additional function for Eidolon Tablet tbh

[half sage]

calamity moving legendaries to malice and mod of redemption killing the rarity system in 0.8 are based as fuck

fuck 1%/sub 1% drop rates, all my homies hate 1%/sub 1% drop rates

[cobalt pewter]

true

[fossil finch]

Sea minnows spawning in schools is underrated and they will never know what they have been hit with

[gray nebula]

fail so much

fail

its just the surface of the iceberg

[cobalt pewter]

can't wait until some crackass mod makes a pity system in Terraria

lol!

[fossil finch]

Wdym by pity

As in "the game feels pity for you, have pre boss zenith"

Anyways another revert malice drops sugg but this time it's worse

[cobalt pewter]

oh some gacha thing idk

i only ever heard of it

[cobalt pewter]

true!

[eager salmon]

I see some familiar stuff in changelogs

[small timber]

Ya some of the suggestion can be exclaimed since changelog already make it happen

To reduce clog

[daring imp]

can i suggest to add more summoner malice drops?

not like if anyone would play that class on malice anyway

[cobalt pewter]

more is probably likely to be planned, but I don't see why not?

idk

[languid quartz]

Adding a challenge drop might be a SIS? Unsure if that would work

[cobalt pewter]

well no specifics yes

[daring imp]

also there's currently no malice drop for the vanilla evil biome boss

[fossil finch]

They know

[cobalt pewter]

just "more summoner challenge drops" should be fine with valid reasoning

[languid quartz]

Ye I suppose “add summoner challenge drops” would work fine

[daring imp]

but...

[languid quartz]

Oh

Lmfao

[daring imp]

so can i still post it?

[cobalt pewter]

Legendary

probably challenge drops in general shouldn't be a problem, I think? as long as you don't specify legendary challenge ones

[daring imp]

well my suggestion isn't specifically for legendary

[gray nebula]

[lone geyser]

is reposting old suggestions allowed?

[hollow shell]

Yes

As long as they're older than a week

[lone geyser]

awesome thanks

[gray nebula]

malice moment :trollgus

[exotic stag]

malice

[lone geyser]

malice boc might actually contend with jingu from yakuza kiwami for the worst boss ive ever seen

[half sage]

jingu

[lone geyser]

i genuinely cant put into words how unfun he is

[tawny garden]

#suggestions-voting message no reasoning

[short walrus]

Also wrong mod

[cobalt pewter]

not really? cal still does the entries for boss checklist, that's how modded boss checklist entries work

[short walrus]

Really?

Huh

TIL

[cobalt pewter]

imagine the boss checklist dev adding entries of literally every single modded bosses

[grim tusk]

Add for BR BoC as well

It feels like exo freeze or nuke him or get telefragged

[lone geyser]

exo freeze??

[grim tusk]

Ph2 can telefrag on BR

[lone geyser]

is that a hardmode thing

[grim tusk]

From exo weapons

Hm has glacial state tho

Such as frostcrunch valari

[lone geyser]

havent done boss rush so i cant comment

but he is complete bullshit in malice

[grim tusk]

I tried a bit of BR, regular, nohit and nohit with an certain rogue exploit and it was still just fucking bullshit

Most of my attempts either ended to boss I havent reached earlier (then adapted to it on next run) or BoC telefrag

About 80% of my attempts ended on BoC telefrag

Also iirc you could slow BoC on tier with Web ball stealth

On ph2 that is

Ph1 you’re helpless

[lone geyser]

phase 2 isnt even that bad i just cant even get to it

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512925739486674954/920495662582333470/BoC_is_Well_Designed.mp4 credit to GP

[lone geyser]

he can still get into fucky positions right before charging where it's similarly impossible to dodge

but it's not as common

[lone geyser]

lmfao

it's literally just rng

[small timber]

I haven't posted previously so I just post them right now, I don't think I have much more to address

and also that I am currently doing a full playthrough so I am just posting things I notice are an issue/need improvement

[lone geyser]

i never want to fight that boss ever again

[small timber]

ya some boss need adjustment in Malice, just it kept getting masked over by "difficulty is subjective" argument, which is complete bs

[lone geyser]

i havent played past astrum aureus yet but nothing else so far has felt as unfair as boc and his telefragging

[small timber]

astrum aureus is also a problem from what I see, but at the very least it is much less rng than BoC

it is just... overtuned in speed

[lone geyser]

yeah he's been giving me a rough time

unlike with boc there are some strats you can use to consistently dodge the jumps though

[small timber]

ya, the very least is you can plan and strategize it, and no randomly teleport into hitbox moment

[lone geyser]

true af

[silver silo]

would it be possible for the exo chair speed up/slow down to be a toggle instead of a hold

[tardy smelt]

||was that referring to Eddie's sugg or mine lol||

[lone geyser]

i mean he explicitly talks about blood moons in the very next message

[tardy smelt]

fair nuff

[turbid tendon]

bro

scal 2 taps me

while having a full on warding setup

no revive no nothing

yeah

yeah but it really needs a buff imo

its somewhat useless

compared to silva amror

when both of them are on the same tier

[crude geode]

Elaborate on that more tbfh. Byeah I heavily agree.

[cobalt pewter]

Elaborating on your point is good ye

[crude geode]

God slayer dash having a 30 second cooldown just cucks it completely

[turbid tendon]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

I haven't used the dash myself so I can't really comment

[turbid tendon]

the dash is pretty good but the cooldown is not good at all

yes

if it is a 15 second cooldown then it would be great

[crude geode]

Wiki says it has

[small timber]

I will just put it into context: if you use it to dodge an attack that would had kill you instead, it is a God Slayer revive with 30 sec CD

[crude geode]

But it is 35 seconds in the details

[small timber]

if anything I will suggest to make it easier to use, since the current control is rather clunky

[crude geode]

Problem is that it’s a 35 second cooldown and is incredibly clunky to use

[quasi pelican]

lmfao my AEW suggestion has been accepted

nice

[crude geode]

It also is just straight up blegh against SCal compared to 8 full seconds of invulnerability

[quasi pelican]

IDK if they saw my suggestion and added it or just added it anyway

[small timber]

I think they should change gs dash targetting to just similar to normality relocator, basically to cursor position

so basically just give god slayer armors a second NR but on a higher CD

the current version simply overdash so much even for Yharon, you can rush into the tornado

[cobalt pewter]

weird because I remember fab mentioning that the dash was supposed to be limited to cursor position

but i guess they changed it midway

it's on draedon chat, which is archived now

[quasi pelican]

really?

[cobalt pewter]

i do think i shared some screenshots of it

[quasi pelican]

GSD is able to skip yharon's BH's alone

[cobalt pewter]

but i can't remember where

[quasi pelican]

and is also able to skip BH5's ascent

which is the hardest part of scal

and you want it buffed?

what the fuck

silva revive is serioulsy bad to

it is once per life

if you use draconic elixir the invinicibility basically does not exist

[small timber]

silva is ok, unless you dont use draconic elixir

[quasi pelican]

and if you don't you are left at 100> HP

[small timber]

then it is REALLY bad

[quasi pelican]

if you are over 400 HP the invincibility wears of IIRC

and elixir will most likely get you past 400 HP

I am sorry but silva revive always sucked

[crude geode]

Must have changed because I do not recall that in the slightest when playing lol

[turbid tendon]

i see

[quasi pelican]

the only use for it is BH5 cruches

[turbid tendon]

alright

yeah it makes sense now my bad

[small timber]

I don't think suggesting to reduce CD is a way, rather just suggest how to change its targetting

currently holding movement key + clicking dash button is very clunky unless you use buttons on mouse

[quasi pelican]

GSD is way better then silva anyway

especailly for BH5

you can use silva by mistake before BH5

but not GSD

[small timber]

also that 400hp silva thing is if they get hit too much, I don't remember silva just randomly wear off for having 400+hp

[quasi pelican]

hmm

[small timber]

it is if you get hit so much your max hp fall below 400

[quasi pelican]

might be just me not remembering right

revives where overrated anyway

[crude geode]

Sounds like it cuz I never lost it just by having it triggered lol

[small timber]

ya GSD is super useful, only limiting factor is how clunky it is to use (and overdashing)

[quasi pelican]

it is hard to overdash

the only real 2 uses I know with it are skipping yharon's BH's

[neat linden]

gsd is incredibly helpful for yharon and exo mechs

[quasi pelican]

and skipping the ascent at scal BH5

[quasi pelican]

also scal

[neat linden]

also scal yes

since dash gives you invuln

so you can get hit by a stray projectile and be more or less fine

[cobalt pewter]

a couple changes I can think of for GS armor dash:

• Charges to the cursor location
• Cooldown scales by how far you traveled (cooldown typically more punishing if you go shorter and more lax if you go farther, e.g. starts off higher but scales lightly)
• Going through any attacks sets the minimum cooldown higher

[quasi pelican]

yes

good changes

also this must be added

I don' care

no

if you hit a melee attack yes it is counted as a ram

but if you hit a projectile you die

you can test this with right click arma

it disables all dodges

[neat linden]

because it's fairly new

a 1.5 thing

[crude geode]

Also can we just make Wulfrum a summoner set already

They’re pretty much the only ones who use it

[tardy smelt]

also it cleanses debuffs

[tardy smelt]

agreed

God Slayer dash is great because its infinitely more creative than the God Slayer Revive

and has a far higher skill ceiling

[quasi pelican]

I feel fabsol looked at suggestions without them being added

both eddie's and mine

[tardy smelt]

might be

[crude geode]

#calamity-mod-talk

[quasi pelican]

because brimy is a joke boss

[crude geode]

Brimmy is an arena boss

That depends on how good your arena is

[quasi pelican]

not true at all lmfao

all you need is some space to circle her

and you win

[crude geode]

Again.

Depends on your arena and crag generation.

People in this server will always complain about bosses being too hard, while a different group on the other end of the spectrum simultaneously says everything is far too easy and every single boss needs a buff.

[tardy smelt]

yep

[crude geode]

Something something username something

[tardy smelt]

honestly... nerf/buff suggs need really good reasoning to be actually passable

[crude geode]

Difficulty being subjective I’ve mostly given up on suggestions revolving around bosses/difficulty, and instead focused on more objective things like why tf rav isn’t a post provi fight

[tardy smelt]

that's fair!

generally I avoid those kinds of suggestions too

[cobalt pewter]

boss difficulty suggs will always be iffy

[tardy smelt]

and when I do touch upon bosses I prefer to focus more on parts of their boss design that are lacking rather than too hard/easy

[cobalt pewter]

no matter what

[tardy smelt]

comme ca

[fossil finch]

At least I've seen mentions of bloodstone being eventually moved somewhere else

[crude geode]

It literally should just belong to ravager

Being the necromanced golem

[tardy smelt]

huh

[fossil finch]

Yea but we know that's never happening so like

L

[tardy smelt]

aaaaaaa curse the search function not working atm

[fossil finch]

Ol

[earnest raptor]

Maybe GSD should be just "hold X button to charge into cursor, cool down scales with how long you hold it"

Why?

You need to pass through projectiles

Place cursor above them

Activate dash

Boom

You are very likely misunderstanding me.

Charge is not "stay still then dash"

Charge in this case is "move forward"

Like hook but doesn't require platforms

Or any solid block

[small timber]

I think what you are saying is basically a 2nd NR

so basically how long CD it should have for being a 2nd NR

[earnest raptor]

NR is donor item, doesn't count

[fossil finch]

We still don't need a second one

[cobalt pewter]

1.4 vanilla has a decent solution

wof despawns if all players are a certain blocks away from the boss

[eternal escarp]

wrote that on phone so, if theres any typo or something please let me know

[worthy lintel]

you forgot an apostrophe at didn't

banned

[frail mantle]

doesn't seem to have any fucky formatting

[eternal escarp]

fuck

[eternal escarp]

also good to know

apostrophe added

humanity restored

[worthy lintel]

hitman called back to home base

byea the sugg is fine

[eternal escarp]

gaming

itd prolly not pass the current requitement but i could always repost it eventually, lol

[worthy lintel]

truth is, the star requirement is a semi-hoax

sugg can still pass even if you fail to meet the threshold

[eternal escarp]

damn, weve been to lied to the face

tricked, trolled and even fooled

bamboozled, if you will

[worthy lintel]

star count is the nohit DPS rule of suggestion-voting

[frail mantle]

actually i think this could be changed to "that aren't related" instead

[worthy lintel]

and fix "other then the Laudanum" to "other than the Laudanum"

mobile is indeed funny

[eternal escarp]

done and done

[oak sage]

honestly i dont like revengance not having as many special items. i always thought of it like an expert+. even more rewards but even more difficulty

since it can only be used when in expert mode it always felt that way

and since it increases money

money drops

[deft yew]

:appreciation:

[fossil finch]

Idk

[cobalt pewter]

to anyone wanting RIV/Legendary changes to be reverted, I say

https://tenor.com/view/cope-cope-and-seethe-seethe-ouro-kronii-gif-23322409

[fossil bronze]

i sure do love grinding dozens of bosses in rev+ on tier for loot

/s

[keen zealot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/910277917228007463/913652869448736768/caption-6-1.gif

selective acceptance

[exotic stag]

wait why is snomii's name have the "alt" in it.. did they like get banned from here or something

shh

i know

[fossil bronze]

um
what was thair old name

[exotic stag]

yeah the snomii guy

why do they have alt in their name lmao

[fossil bronze]

hmm
suspicious

[exotic stag]

were they like. banned or something

hmm

[fossil finch]

God

[frozen hornet]

Day because eclipses happen at day time

simple as

[frozen hornet]

blood moon is literally at night what does it matter

And if you're going to suggest a both-version provi then you better have a reasoning stronger than diamond

[small timber]

night providence is technically already a both version

night is just, day but stronger

unless you mean night with guardian phase (oh god no)

[frozen hornet]

why

[small timber]

fun

[frozen hornet]

masochists more like time-wasters

[small timber]

ya night provi is not balance around guardian at all, unless she literally revert behaviour to day during guardian phase

you will get cheap shot and unfair hit so much

[frozen hornet]

even day provi wasn't balanced around guardians

tfw a phase is so bullshit everyone just skips it with adrenaline

[small timber]

is guardian phase even necessary except for a thematical reason?

thematical reason that providence guardian do their job in her fight