ah yeah
#suggestions-discussion
distant gyro
that's both mining and crafting, not very good advice from experience
it's even faster to grind evil bosses even armaless
earnest raptor
reduce demonite price and boc bag drops
earnest raptor
by the way, is wiki not updated or what?
distant gyro
it's not done via reduction of sell price
it's done by the system itself
which does mean vanilla tools are even cheaper to reforge
earnest raptor
oh ok, I thought they would cut prices by a half 
earnest raptor
which does mean vanilla tools are even cheaper to reforge
even such an easy sugg is fucked up by calamity devolopmint tim
everything is double-edged sword
distant gyro
no one has the 5 minute time to care about your suggestion smh
if it's not done in 30 seconds it's being implemented in 2079
exotic stag
insert: yes you CAN play calamity without magic storage. and other qol mods
and infact its easier.
exotic stag
just pick up the chests you find naturally around the world.
at the endgame i had only like 9 full chests and that was it. pretty much
open stag
at the endgame i had only like 9 full chests and that was it. pretty much
but what setup did you have
exotic stag
but what setup did you have
literally unorganized chests. as rogue
open stag
ah
earnest raptor
late hm can and should provide better storage options
earnest raptor
we beat the sun goddess, serpent and its serpents, and now even the dragon
and still use chests to store their loot?
that's primal af
small timber
and also that magic storage exist which you can just use, if you hate chests
and it is literally one of the most used mod out there
earnest raptor
that's primal af
storage drawers from life alloy when
exotic stag
(fridges are chests.)
and then even yet. DRESSERS exist.
exotic stag
but dressers let you change clothes 
(also it can function as a potion crafting station too. so multipurpose)
earnest raptor
40 slots for you to put items in
we can have better storage options
fossil finch
I mean do we really need to foment not playing with other mods
Doing so is kinda pointless
exotic stag
wait are there even any calamity dressers.
fossil finch
Yes
exotic stag
eh not many
earnest raptor
we can have better storage options
we can get reality-defying gaming chairs yet we can't make anything better than box from 2 iron bars and pile of wood?
fossil finch
Yes
exotic stag
we can get reality-defying gaming chairs yet we can't make anything better than ...
well because the gamer chair was dropped wasnt it
exotic stag
i mean
just accept the fact dressers are better then chests lol
their also cheaper. multipurpose. and moar
dressers? yes
earnest raptor
it doesn't cost iron
exotic stag
yes
exotic stag
it doesn't cost iron
no iron. can be used to make houses. can be used to craft potions
and all it requires is a sawmill
earnest raptor
why you would make potions not on alchemy table
distant gyro
no
it's specifically designed not to
some potions' normal recipes will gain the ability to be alchemized
in the next update
but not the blood orb recipes
specifically
earnest raptor
it's been since 2019
mellow trout
@grim tusk about your suggestion, why not adding New trophy for armaggedon boss? Just the same but with a different background (a golden one or something else). For player who like to make a trophy room, it Can make them want to have the better version and it also allow them to easely show with a screen which boss they already succed to nohit and which not. And that's not à Big deal for normal player to miss them, instead of a challenge drop.
grim tusk
<@613133259563466755> about your suggestion, why not adding New trophy for armag...
it fits under cosmetic
earnest raptor
also, sprites
grim tusk
but i must not be specific on suggestions
higher chance of passing
but sure
ill add it as an example
earnest raptor
also, sprites
too much effort to draw 25 3x3 tile images for something than nobody will acquire
mellow trout
Oh as cosmetic i was thinking about costumes ^^'
earnest raptor
Oh as cosmetic i was thinking about costumes ^^'
that's a big no due to spritework
mellow trout
Yeah advantage of trophy is that it could not be hard to make, with a background color change or something else
Yes you're right
Sorry for all designer ^^
exotic stag
(moar dressers)
earnest raptor
I was saying than if you could sprite all those costumes for your suggestion, why not join the devs with that talent?
instead of letting all work rot in the void
gray nebula
no no no no no no no no no no no no
god adding a custom storage system would be so much unnecessary extra upkeep when people can just use magic storage instead
exotic stag
but how about adding more dressers hm?
since dressers are basically the better chests
fossil finch
There's already two more next update
And there is no more furniture sets to even get dresses
Just download calval
gray nebula
add more dressers but it's not about the storage bit it's about the changing clothes bit except you can change your skin and eye color
so everyone gets to cosplay as scal properly
small timber
is there any station buff for rogue in the game? I heard someone said sharpening station but apparently it is not true
fossil finch
There is not and people have sugged it a lot
small timber
hmm I guess I will make a different suggestion then
just surprise that it hadnt been added if it is frequently suggested
oak sage
posting
small timber
It can be hard to pass, I think the naming had less to do with the actual function but more with it is a Rogue mechanic
cobalt pewter
I think I tried enquiring this to Fab directly, but it was on draedon channel I think
which basically means it's thanosed for most of peeps
small timber
since Focus tend to associate more with "monks", by Stealth is almost exclusively Rogue/Assassin type characters
cobalt pewter
I can't even remember what I gave in replacement
eternal escarp
i think you also said Focus?
small timber
Precision maybe, but that will relate more to Archer in some sense
eternal escarp
actually no wait i dont think i was in the same convo
i remember you talking about a rename with ozz, not fab
so not sure
cobalt pewter
ahh
oak sage
well thats just more proof that "focus" is a more sensical word if more than one person comes up with the same idea
cobalt pewter
i can't remember if i even recommended something in replacement at all
but the rename is yea
eternal escarp
i agree with a rename to it personally ye
and the invisibility is quite disruptive too 
exotic stag
i wanna put my opinion rq
assassins
not attacking so you can take them down while their guard is down.
which is attacking stronger.
oak sage
which is something you do with the class???
when was the last time an enemy or boss was busy doing something else
exotic stag
just because game doesnt do it doesnt mean its automatically not that
oak sage
changed it
cobalt pewter
I think my approach on a rename is that stealth no longer gives aggro
and considering the invis can be toggled off in config, the invis merely feels like unnecessary flavor
oak sage
yeah normally you like being able to see your character
but focus seems much more fitting in-game honestly. that or precision. like seriously, there is nothing stealthy in terraria. unless you are playing multiplayer and messing with friends
if you have line of sight with an enemy at standard zoom, its probably trying to attack you
exotic stag
bringing it back up: just because game has you being attacked doesnt mean thing isnt actually named that way for assassins
exotic stag
dark shard and light shard drop tables
small timber
that suggestion is valid because in 1.3 it drop from only mummies
so basically like only 1 source
safe oasis
that suggestion is valid because in 1.3 it drop from only mummies
mummies ghouls and sharks*
drowsy plank
no
just mummies
i mean isn't that what the symbols are saying?
ive never seen it drop from the other two
either way i think this issue was mostly resolved just by having great sand shark drop them
which was an earlier suggestion already
safe oasis
the symbols are saying that it’s possible only for those platforms
drowsy plank
oh lmao
drowsy plank
ahahaha
earnest raptor
drowsy plank
have you ever seen it yourself? ive done a lot of sandstorm grinding in a recent run and ive literally never seen them drop it, could be bugged idk, i still think the best compromise is just slapping it on the funny shark tho tbh
earnest raptor
maybe make shards drop from evil/good mobs in general
that was the case in exxo avalon I think
fossil bronze
great sand shark doesn't make sense thematically
it's just a desert mob, all the others are desert + hallow/evil
drowsy plank
i mean
threshers are how you spawn it and they have the desert and hallow/evil variants
viral forge
Like the shards seem so rare I spe t 2 hrs farming for them even with reduced grinding and nothing
drowsy plank
it actually makes plenty of sense thematically, as it is basically the upgraded form of a smaller mob that drops them
fossil bronze
hmm
i guess that does make sense
drowsy plank
the only real issue here is GSS not having hallowed/evil variants himself, but i honestly cannot think of much of a better way to resolve their scarcity besides just slapping drops rates on basically. all of the rest of the desert enemies lmao
plus it got traction before;
#suggestions-voting message
fossil bronze
can the drop rates of vanilla items from vanilla mobs be changed
because if so then the drop rates can just be boosted
drowsy plank
uhhhhh i think so? if you give me a sec i can check for examples, cause yeah that would be the more optimal solution
viral forge
Probably ok in reduced grinding it re rolls the drop x amount of times
drowsy plank
ok yes! they can!
at the very bottom, drop rates for the gladiator set were boosted
you could probably do the same for shards
viral forge
Rip I dont wanna sing song ditch as the bad practices say but I got school
viral forge
Kk
frozen hornet
pogger (singular)
cobalt heath
62 is mine les go
exotic stag
what clothing line?
full pivot
clothing line?
frail mantle
i'm guessing the merch
cobalt heath
Yeah lets invent a New way to hang your clothes In a calamity dc
exotic stag
imagine if you needed to let your armor dry if you went in the rain or water lmao.
otherwise it'd weaken it
actually that sounds like a good death mode debuff tbh
oak sage
h
eternal escarp
@lusty trail you should expand on your suggestion with reasoning
also, what type of minions and spawns do you refer to?
lusty trail
the walls and flame pillars
eternal escarp
those always spawn around you at set intervals on a pattern tbf
byeah, you should add more reasoning to your suggestion
solemn dust
Also am I allowed to post suggestions for the clothing line?
I meant for the merch that we have
daring imp
i'm thinking about posting a suggestion about more ranger ammunition for post-ml
specially bullets
lusty trail
i mean what other arrows can you add?
daring imp
i just thought about bullets atm
there's just holy and bloodstone bullets for post-ml
lusty trail
what is your idea for a bullet?
daring imp
i had a really cool concept for a cosmilite bullet
lusty trail
cosmolite
daring imp
it penetrates multiple targets and after hitting a target it enters through a portal to hit the same target again
daring imp
yes
lusty trail
epic
i would like to see it
how many times does it teleport?
and can it hit only one target?
daring imp
no it has increased penetration
fossil bronze
that sounds sort of similar to god slayer slugs imo
lusty trail
how many times does it teleport to the same target?
daring imp
fossil bronze
not exactly the same
lusty trail
its more of a phantasm bullet
fossil bronze
but vaguely similar
lusty trail
or luminite arrow for guns
imo this one can have inf pierce but hits a target lets say 5 times
fossil bronze
the issue with post ml ammo is that a lot of post ml guns shoot special bullets
lusty trail
and on the 5 time it hits it teleports away or just continues the path or something
fossil bronze
so using special ammo makes some post ml weapons less unique
lusty trail
yea but most of the time rangers use other bullets when they have the chance
fossil bronze
but idk
it sounds like a cool idea to me
daring imp
but there are still post ml ranged guns that uses bullets, right?
lusty trail
a guy i play with always use ichor bullets
fossil bronze
remember that specific requests don't usually get in though
daring imp
so does the god slayer slug works similar to my concept for cosmolite bullet?
daring imp
big shot
lusty trail
its 1 normal shot and 1 explodey shot
daring imp
but i have an actually good idea this time
exo mecha cthulhu
i know that it sounds like a boss concept
but in reality kinda, its more like of a joke since in the original terraria lore the mechs were supposed to be parts for a mecha cthulhu, and when i saw the exo mechs i though that an exo mech could definely be made out of them, so what if draedon actually tried that right before we fight yharim, but the mecha cthulhu immediatelly self destructs or dies in 1 hit because its terribly damaged after the exo mechs fight or even the exo mechs can't sustain this form
fossil finch
Option for less particles is called the game's quality setting
Doing any less than low would probably kill a good deal of dust only projectiles
floral elbow
Oh! I might have a idea Zote the mighty! Perhaps there crafted with armored shells @a cosmic anvil, to deffrentate them from god slayer slugs!
fossil bronze
or exo ammo
daring imp
nah i don't think there's any need to add two different bullets from the same point of the game
fossil bronze
exo ammo would fit with draedons theme
fossil bronze
ranged/melee vs scal magic
daring imp
or exo ammo
dealmaker bullet
crafted with shadowspec bars
lusty trail
nah
safe oasis
Doing any less than low would probably kill a good deal of dust only projectiles
that's the point of the custom option i think? removing unimportant (vanity) dust to improve fps while still maintaining the important dust like projectiles and stuff which isn't possible if you use another thing to reduce all dust
though game settings should definitely be mentioned yeah
fossil bronze
shadowspec bullets would be a pain to craft lol
lusty trail
shadowspec items are most of the time useless since youve already beaten the game basically
daring imp
shadowspec bullets would be a pain to craft lol
who said its shadowspec bullets?
floral elbow
Perhaps there made of ashes of anillation to make them less of a pain to get?
lusty trail
are there any mods that add bosses post scal?
floral elbow
Fargo’s
daring imp
they're dealmaker bullets, they're really a [Big Shot]
fossil bronze
i mean made of shadowspec bars
fossil bronze
so
random idea
in bullet hell games you can do this thing whre you stay very close to attacks and not get hit to get bonuses
what if there was an accessory that does something like that
lusty trail
you mean just when you get a close call?
fossil bronze
if you graze projectiles you build up for example bonus damage
fossil bronze
you mean just when you get a close call?
kinda like that
but you gotta do it continuously
lusty trail
you gain adrenaline and rage faster when you get closer to bullets
fossil bronze
oh lol
that's pretty cool
floral elbow
“Talisman of Risk” made from cosmolite and darksun frags, when you stay near a projectile for a long enough peroid of time, you get a temparty crit chance buff
earnest raptor
Fargo's Souls already have that, just saying
fossil finch
Minimodding!!!! But fr can you guys discuss your zany ideas outside of here
fossil bronze
if we cant do something because fargo did it
lusty trail
Fargo's Souls already have that, just saying
name?
floral elbow
Adoration?
earnest raptor
Yep!
earnest raptor
Adrenaline could benefit from graze
But clam already had the thing with adrenaline recharging faster.
And that was OP
lusty trail
"ah yes let me get close to this bullet to get faster" * runs into bullet because ramp up is too fast*
exotic stag
thats.. no
lusty trail
?
crude geode
I dislike this fight rework it pls
marsh girder
i didnt say completely being the only option
I stated prediction
being fixed
Would also fix it
Either being not prediction based or easier to predict
exotic stag
poor iban man.
marsh girder
Yes, making the dashes less predictive or by showing more signs about the path before it actually goes
exotic stag
poor iban
marsh girder
Worms dont do any attacks, they have worm ai, not a boss ai
fossil bronze
giving the worms some extra stuff could help the fight be more interesting
but the worms aren't there the whole time
marsh girder
The point was a rework for the hive BECAUSE they arent
exotic stag
ok but. its a hive. whats it gonna do? shoot the moon at you
fossil bronze
to fix this issue, readd mini perfs, which will annoy the shit out of players too much for them to dislike the hive
/s
golden narwhal
I mean, skeletron has like 3 attacks, and there aren't noticeable complaints about that
exotic stag
^
without his hands
he has: teleport. spin. shoot skulls
with his hands he just gains "SLAP"
crude geode
storm weaver also has like three attacks
Not every boss needs to be SCal with 10 phases and 40 attacks in a pattern that looks like AHAJAJBFAAAJDH
golden narwhal
I don't think the 'lack of attacks' is the issue, it's somewhere along the lines of a very repetitive pattern (which is alleviated by the new 1.5 attack)
cobalt pewter
funny idea: make Skeletron hands create damaging shockwaves when both collide
there, now you have a complaint
exotic stag
funny idea: make Skeletron hands create damaging shockwaves when both collide
oh clapping yeah i think that can work
i like the idea of skeletron using his hands for more then just "SLAP"
cobalt pewter
jokes aside yeah complete rework seems a bit reaching for perf atm
add more attacks or improve existing ones, sure
crude geode
I don't think the 'lack of attacks' is the issue, it's somewhere along the lines...
Storm Weaver has running at you, orb, and dash lol it’s also somewhat repetitive.
golden narwhal
Could making the dash more occasional rather than always happening be a solution?
golden narwhal
The projectiles would still serve to make the fight intense, and having to look out for the dash would make it less of a repetitive cycle
crude geode
I’d be fine with the dash being less constant. Makes the complains about projectile volley less valid since it’ll be the main focus of the fight
fossil bronze
what if blood projectiles and ichor projectiles had different patterns/behavior
crude geode
I think it’s fine for Perfs to be a fairly simple boss ngl
fossil bronze
i dont have anything specific in mind but that would make it more interesting
crude geode
We already have Hive Mind for complexity afterall
oak sage
@marsh girder pretty sure a rework is happening already
golden narwhal
Yea, I agree that the current moveset is fine
marsh girder
there, now you have a complaint
Nah that actually sounds cool as hell
I might implement that into my modded mode
Thank you for giving me something to steal
cobalt pewter
oak sage
but a rework is def happening already. look at the new concept art lol
it has legs lmao
not gonna be flying
fossil bronze
he walcc
crude geode
Uh you do realize that just because concept art is made doesn’t mean a rework is actively happening
oak sage
what
crude geode
The concept art has been made but it’s not like it’s actively being worked on.
exotic stag
no its just a concept
crude geode
There are a number of other resprites underway (Yharon, Hive Mind) and resprites themselves don’t have to change the patterns of the boss.
exotic stag
There are a number of other resprites underway (Yharon, Hive Mind) and resprites...
(true)
crude geode
It could still “walk” above the player lol
exotic stag
for all we know it could shoot like a tentacle from the back and fly using that
wait i just realized. does yharon even flap his wings when hes flying
oak sage
yes
crude geode
but a rework is def happening already. look at the new concept art lol
And again, concept art for the boss doesn’t mean a whole rework of the boss is happening
oak sage
i cant believe you are seriously trying to argue that they are gonna make the sprite have very sturdy looking legs, but not change the AI at all and just have it awkwardly float around like it did before
exotic stag
bro
its a CONCEPT
its basically "what the boss could be. but im fine with the other"
crude geode
The main concept for the fight could likely stay the same, but staying above you with it’s legs instead of just floating lol
exotic stag
but not that specific art
exotic stag
The main concept for the fight could likely stay the same, but staying above you...
like it could just use a hook from the bottom of its body or sumn
shoot a tentacle out and latch onto the ground and float like that
oak sage
that is still an AI change
oak sage
have you seen how the perforator hive moves
oak sage
do
you even know what AI means in terraria
like plantera's AI also defines all it's hooks
exotic stag
a way something behaves.
also "how the perforator hive moves"
its just shooting a hook from its bottom part.
oak sage
thats an AI change
oak sage
so is the plantera hooks
crude geode
We’re talking about reworking the whole fight rn, not just how it moves.
oak sage
thats not what i meant by rework
exotic stag
also hooks DO have something. they allow plantera to latch
hive is literally just having something be in the background so it can swing around on it
exotic stag
bro. your saying on how something in the background that just makes it make sense. = an ai change that affects the fight so drastically
it can still float like it normally does. it just makes it look more realistic then just "floaty boi"
vocal radish
has anyone ever suggested a delay on hellbound so summoner doesn't just have a chance to instantly die or is it intentional
cause on one hand it sucks but on the other it's hilarous
vocal radish
i would argue that point
exotic stag
i would argue that point
self implosion
fossil bronze
do metastasis hearts disappear if sepulchre is cancelled
vocal radish
self implosion
my favorite new 1.5 mechanic
fossil bronze
and if so has anyone suggested to change it yet
exotic stag
why would sepulcher be gone?
fossil bronze
?
crude geode
Metastasis
fossil bronze
its a summon staff
that summons sepulchre
if you search metastasis in suggs voting
some guy requested some specific weapons lol
cobalt pewter
because it wasn't changed ig
fossil bronze
was that not against the rules in the past
cobalt pewter
it wasn't a challenge drop or anything
the donor is just quirky
it got a rework to account for the removal of melee/rogue weapon system
so not really, but kinda?
crude geode
was that not against the rules in the past
That was back when suggestions was a very lawless place where most suggestions were custom item suggestions
fossil bronze
damn
ashen warren
I agree that Perfs bad but doesn't this count as too high effort?
daring imp
suggestion i'm planning to post: replace ice barrage audio by snowgrave from deltarune
crude geode
daring imp
i would argue that point
WHAT THE FUCK
fossil finch
I never had a single problem with perf's hive dash on rev+ what the fuck
daring imp
is that the BoC, perforator hive or your mo-
fossil finch
Anyways i like how pyro read the things stated about their sugg yet made no changes
daring imp
but seriously do i make the snowgrave suggestion?
fossil finch
The sugg still is "x is bs" without elaboration and saying reworking the entire thing is simple
No
daring imp
fossil bronze
exxon mechs sukx..just rework them LOL
/s
daring imp
soup clamitas >>>> exo mechs
fossil bronze
all you have to do is completely remake the ai
exotic stag
exxon mechs sukx..just rework them LOL
/s
"man i hate the fact that DoG is a worm. change him" /s
daring imp
make they less rng based
fossil bronze
the only issue i had with exxon mechs was that ares attacks werent telegraphed well
but maybe im misremembering
it seemed like the electric chain balls spawned really close to the player
cobalt pewter
suggestion i'm planning to post: replace ice barrage audio by snowgrave from del...
it's Runescape reference, not Deltarune
fossil finch
Coper
daring imp
shall be 
hollow shell
Sorry I'm late, busy day today
@open stag Your suggestion is needlessly specific. You shouldn't give them a name, you shouldn't say how to obtain the components of the system or that upgrades should be available in sync with the Codebreaker or anything like that.
All you need to focus on is adding a more advanced/expanded storage system to Calamity.
You can provide some ideas as short examples, but they shouldn't be the focus of the suggestion
silver silo
why do people even need magic storage type stuff so badly anyway, is it so hard to just...make a chest storage area
fossil finch
Rover the upmost sugg of them all
(I think it's in exclaim state after a glance
Oh not really
hollow shell
What? lilpixel's?
hollow shell
That one could be better but it's not bad enough to be invalid
hollow shell
Also
@lusty trail You need to add a reason to your Ravager (and Crabulon) telegraph + changing spawn location suggegstion.
Keep in mind that the minions you're mentioning do not deal damage for one second-ish after spawning anyway, to prevent cheap hits
fossil finch
I recall a sugg for that item being denied in the past
But that's not really something that matters when posting
cobalt pewter
why do people even need magic storage type stuff so badly anyway, is it so hard ...
the issue is usually finding stuff in these chests for me, which "where's my items" mod fixes
cosmic musk
had a lot to say and wanted to explain my reasoning well the first time so i didn't have to do it here 😅
hollow shell
Huh, weird that we kept Prov being invincible despite having more aggressive behavior for a biome enrage programmed already
cobalt pewter
me using wof hellbridge to fight prov: 
I never fight her in hallow precisely because of the biome requirement yea
cosmic musk
That works but also if you're on a small world you will have the most cramped fight of your life
cobalt pewter
I'd rather fight her in hell than bother with expanding hallow
cosmic musk
Yeahhhhh those are definitely very useful, sorta forgot about those until I got to Provi yesterday in my PT
And some lovely person in chat reminded me that was a thing
Also, if you're unlucky and have a bizarre world like mine where the hallow generated on top of pre-existing Corruption... that is not fun to make a flat arena.
Personally I think the best change would be to change it from Hallow/Hell to Surface/Hell
That's just my own opinion, though.
hollow shell
If you are outside of the Hallow or Hell for long enough, she gets enraged and becomes invincible yeah
cosmic musk
Personally I think the best change would be to change it from Hallow/Hell to Sur...
gonna throw this in actually
deft yew
Simply no.
hollow shell
Well
Her biome enrage just makes her movement speed really fast, it doesn't seem like it changes anything else
deft yew
i mean just play malice :lo:
hollow shell
which is weird, I thought we tried consolidating all the enrages
hollow shell
If you escape the box yes
cosmic musk
which is weird, I thought we tried consolidating all the enrages
Providence might've been left out of that because it already had the nighttime mode for Malice? Maybe?
I have no idea, just speculating. Anyway edited the last line of my suggestion.
hollow shell
I guess it'd be confusing for her to briefly turn into Night Prov if you step out of the Hallow?
deft yew
Honestly it could be possible to make all Profaned content hallow only and give Provi both biome attacks at all times
That’s half the reason I like Night Provi anyway
cosmic musk
I kind of like the "pick your poison" thing she has going, I think that should be maintained.
And I love how the ultra-hard version has you dealing with both at once.
deft yew
it's just so much of a headache to create a hell arena
like
you can reuse the WoF one but realistically that makes you create a ridiculously large WoF one
speaking of which
crude geode
Hell is indeed bad for arena generation
cosmic musk
Funny how Hell Arenas are a massive headache that is equally talked about among all 4 of the hell bosses
deft yew
if this all occurred i would GREATLY prefer WoF to be reworked in some way
at least in rev
cosmic musk
Being WoF, Provi, Signus and Brim
deft yew
because "more projectiles" is not the way to make a boss good
deft yew
Being WoF, Provi, Signus and Brim
brim is kind of a special case since the crag is small or you can make your own crag
cosmic musk
It's tricky because IMO you'd have to rework a lot of the terrain and structure generation to make hell more friendly towards arena building
terse rain
because "more projectiles" is not the way to make a boss good
I couldn't help but notice destroyer cry out in pain when you said that
cosmic musk
I feel like expanding the world height again and increasing the space between the roof and the lava by about 60 blocks would be what I would do, personally, but I know the devs took out the world height modification a while back for a reason.
deft yew
that would eliminate half of WoF's base gimmick
you use hell itself to dodge
like the lasers can get blocked by stalactites or houses
fossil bronze
isnt there a bit of extra space outside the world in terraria
cosmic musk
The houses wouldn't change, there'd just be a little more breathing room.
fossil bronze
could that be used
open stag
having enough room in hell for there to be more than a screen's worth of height would be a nice change of pace
deft yew
out of bounds space yeah
out of bounds space in a 2d game is literally completely pointless
cosmic musk
And when the time would come for Providence, Signus, etc, you'd have Angel Treads / Elysian Tracers so you'd have the lava walking effect and could reasonable just use the 1/3 of the world on the side without houses as a free arena.
open stag
i feel like hell should be more nether-like in generation
cosmic musk
Since there'd just be a flat layer of lava (you could clear some ash if it was in the way) and a bunch of space
open stag
why would there be giant pillars of ash when ash is a powder
deft yew
i feel like hell should be more nether-like in generation
wdym
3d can't exactly translate to 2d
fossil bronze
câve
deft yew
true
open stag
overall decrease the average terrain height of hell
unique vector
wof doesnt need a rework
open stag
smoothing it out
unique vector
hell does
deft yew
but again that removes half of WoF's gimmick
unique vector
#RemoveHellCities
terse rain
I mean ash can be like non powder
unique vector
a boss shouldnt rely on a shit gimmick
unique vector
remove the shitty gimmick then figure out the boss changes from there
just MAIKE THE HELL CITIES LESS TALL
OR LIKE
open stag
yeah
deft yew
a boss shouldnt rely on a shit gimmick
unless that gimmick can actually be twisted and expanded upon to improve the feel of the boss
unique vector
fucking useless mfers that provide LITERALLY NOTHIGN
besides being annoying to go through
open stag
increase hell's ceiling height and then cut the quarter top off the lava level
fossil bronze
hell cities are a cool idea
fossil bronze
but kind of boring in execution
open stag
2x the space as usual
cosmic musk
INCREASE HELL'S CEILING HEIGHT
🤝
open stag
how do you improve hell cities
make them generate into the ash and have ceiling entrances instead of literal doors?
unique vector
you can easily just make a hellforge craftable with a furnace + hellstone and hell cities have ZERO purpose
deft yew
hell cities could be made rarer
fossil bronze
if there was more space they could be cool
unique vector
cobalt pewter
just remove hell houses
deft yew
they do have the chests with nice weapons
cobalt pewter
and make shadow chests and hellforge deep into hell floors
deft yew
rectangle towers
literally shoebox prisons now that i think about it
cosmic musk
...Is there a limit to how many suggestions can be made in short succession? Almost feel like making a damn part 2 for this now but about hell instead
LMAO
open stag
or just go "fuck it" and make a whole new calamity setting for world gen
cobalt pewter
...Is there a limit to how many suggestions can be made in short succession? Alm...
2 is the limit per day
deft yew
you also can't make one too similar to someone else's
open stag
hell is now an entire sixth of the cavern layer 
crude geode
mfw remove exploration from the game is the new hottest suggestion
cobalt pewter
and making a part 2 might not be too preferable because suggs should stand on their own
cosmic musk
Well it'd be a part 2 in spirit since it's all about arena building
But it's a completely different part of the game
Just linked together by Providence, I suppose
deft yew
deft yew
hell bosses in general are just one big fat problem
crude geode
I was gonna say
deft yew
use generation similar to the crags
ok this is actually an idea
but there would still be towers, just a lot rarer
open stag
but the smoother terrain and buildings inside hills and stuff should be kept
crude geode
“Just erase an entire vanilla biome from the game 4head”
open stag
more like reworking the vanilla biome
deft yew
“Just erase an entire vanilla biome from the game 4head”
"because more projectiles is a good boss change mmyes"
open stag
maybe also add some walls in the background layer like stalagmites for extra funny aesthetics
fossil bronze
“Just erase an entire vanilla biome from the game 4head”
just remove the hell layer, caverns all the way down 5head
deft yew
yknow what i think WoF could have
crude geode
Honestly fine with that. I think keeping some of the towers would be fine for exploration and pot purposes tbh
deft yew
yknow what i think WoF could have
something similar to like
a memory game
or maybe the infernum overhaul with the detached eyes that create wacky firing angles
sweeping deathrays like ares? 
crude geode
I think wall of flesh could not have lasers but more of a vanilla complaint tbh
cobalt pewter
I think significantly altering how the hell houses work could be good
cosmic musk
I think just simply condensing the floor of hell and raising the roof would solve like, so many issues. That's it, honestly.
cobalt pewter
right now it's tall, stupid shoeboxes
crude geode
Cuz high tech lasers + literal mound of flesh doesn’t really make sense
cobalt pewter
which just blocks half the time
open stag
have the wall of flesh keep a constant distance from the player but whenever the player stops moving completely (or is below 5mph for like 2 seconds) the wall of flesh enrages and starts bookin it
cosmic musk
So much of hell is just the floor, it's huge for some reason.
deft yew
Cuz high tech lasers + literal mound of flesh doesn’t really make sense
come on does vanilla make any freaking sense
cosmic musk
Just squishing it down a bit, and pushing the ceiling up, would give you like 40-50 extra blocks of free air
cobalt pewter
making the structures actually felt ruined and not protruding that much onto the hell's vertical space would be a good start
deft yew
unique vector
but also the amount of people that will scream
"this isnt vanilla anymore!!"!"!"
kill me
fossil finch
you can easily just make a hellforge craftable with a furnace + hellstone and he...
Ok but that's reductionist and removing them would make hell feel hilariously emtpy
"Wow the exact same lava pool across the whole world thanks!" At least the fucking rectangles have a little more variation
There's an infinite amount of ways to make them more interesting, don't be like this, please
deft yew
that's half the point
unique vector
Ok but that's reductionist and removing them would make hell feel hilariously em...
hell is already hilariously empty
deft yew
vanilla is so convoluted and screwed up that you can't keep anything as is
cobalt pewter
"this isnt vanilla anymore!!"!"!"
cal totally went past that line the moment they reworked reforging
unique vector
name me one purpose hell cities have in the context of a calamity playthrough
outside of hellforges
deft yew
cal totally went past that line the moment they reworked reforging
and movement speed
fossil finch
If they don't have one give them one
cobalt pewter
okay yeah movespeed too
unique vector
you can get that in crags
crude geode
name me one purpose hell cities have in the context of a calamity playthrough
Easier wormhole pots and free money.
unique vector
also any shadow chest content does not count
since those are not part of the
shitty purple structures
fossil finch
(They literally are your main source of hell pot loot which is extremely useful ((and easier to get than abyss one
unique vector
the red ones are ok they're rare enough to not matter
open stag
name me one purpose hell cities have in the context of a calamity playthrough
hell pots
half sage
yea shadow chests can generate outside the structures
deft yew
they have no real reason to be there
unique vector
although random ass bricks that harm you is weirdchamp
open stag
the hell pots are an insane way of getting potions and lots of money pre-hm
half sage
and could easily be put into any hypothetical hell rework
open stag
not sustainable but
open stag
counter: abyss pots and sulph sea boxes
those are way harder to get and contain more specialized loot
fossil bronze
ill repeat whats been said before
deft yew
me when calamity adds an alternative to a vanilla feature just so it can remove said vanilla feature
unique vector
fair point
deft yew
just make your own game already
fossil finch
And, again
If they don't have a purpose, give them one, don't remove them outright
That's dumb and stupid
If hell already is empty removing uw cities would just make it thrice as worse
fossil bronze
removing hell cities will just make the underworld feel more empty
unique vector
solution: just make them not as tall
open stag
we can rework hell cities to make them less obstructive
unique vector
they do not deserve to be 20 rooms of literally nothing
open stag
have them underground and connected with each other
unique vector
me when calamity adds an alternative to a vanilla feature just so it can remove ...
calamity when its already halfway towards reworking base terraria
deft yew
make hell cities not SHOEBOX NPC PRISONS and we're getting somewhere
unique vector
open stag
mystery flesh pit in hell
deft yew
WoF summon method is cool and all
but good grief it feels wrong to commit indirect genocide just to fight the thing
your NPCs are supposed to be precious yet here we are sacrificing them every two minutes
fossil finch
Cope
crude geode
but good grief it feels wrong to commit indirect genocide just to fight the thin...
We already do that with slimes constantly
open stag
have an alternative more material consuming but non guide killing method of summoning the WoF
fossil finch
God no
deft yew
just add fleshy doll bruh
oh wait that increases the prevalence of the old power cell argument
fossil bronze
which old power cell argument
crude geode
Can we talk about how portabulb sucks balls
open stag
add a guide cloning vat using draedon tech
crude geode
Removes the most unique summon in vanilla terraria lmao
open stag
actually you know what
deft yew
can we talk about how calamity was kind of on a train of making every boss summoned the same way
for a while
crude geode
It was
open stag
that would be really funny as a multi-use wall of flesh thing
deft yew
or wait no
fossil bronze
and you have to wait for it to grow
deft yew
you could do something like uh
cobalt pewter
Removes the most unique summon in vanilla terraria lmao
there should be a balance between unique and efficient, and while portabulb isn't the best solution, vanilla's bulb is the worst way to handle a boss summon
crude geode
portabulb plants a plantera bud
At least have it do this yeah
deft yew
portabulb plants a plantera bud
fossil finch
TRUE
open stag
portable guide cloning vat, consumes perforator/hive mind tier material + a guide voodoo doll to summon the wall of flesh, takes items directly from inventory
deft yew
portable guide cloning vat, consumes perforator/hive mind tier material + a guid...
or alternatively
fossil bronze
should i post that in suggs
crude geode
Portabulb in it’s current state is the laziest summon lol
open stag
should i post that in suggs
yes
deft yew
take some voodoo dolls and create the infinite throwable "False Voodoo Doll"
crude geode
Literally goes from most thematic and unique (but highly annoying) summon to left click
fossil bronze
alright
i will do it
cobalt pewter
if portabulb actually plants a small bulb that grows after some time, that could actually be good
deft yew
imagine plant got a summon animation
open stag
portabulb should be able to be shoved in a planter box
cobalt pewter
but until then, I don't like either methods, with me despising vanilla bulb more
open stag
you can't summon it with the portabulb, you summon it by taking a planter box with a fully grown bulb in it in any other biome, placing it in the jungle, and then breaking it
the portabulb itself is non consumable
like a seed
open stag
maybe to add some spice, it can only grow if there's lots of life around it
like sunflowers, other planter boxes, the druid NPC, etc
cobalt pewter
I'm not sure if I actually did it, but I also tried to sugg something about a breakable (or interactable) furniture item to spawn PBG
deft yew
HOLD IT
crude geode
@novel belfry The point of defense damage is to reduce the ability to face tank things. If you’re not doing that anymore, good, that’s the point.
open stag
imagine if they make aureus and pbg summoned with the codebreaker
N O?
you'd need to move around the codebreaker
novel belfry
<@326455578610368513> The point of defense damage is to reduce the ability to fa...
i know
cobalt pewter
could be interesting if the jungle lab has a unique station that spawns PBG after some time
deft yew
ok yeah i realize that
cobalt pewter
since jungle lab is quite tied with PBG and plague in general
deft yew
ye
open stag
maybe the codebreaker could give you an option to summon PBG once you're ready in the jungle
it'll put the button on your screen once activated
open stag
it either doesn't work or you're fucked
open stag
how the heck would it tell if you're "ready"
it doesn't
it keeps the button on your screen
deft yew
open stag
until you want to press it
fossil finch
could be interesting if the jungle lab has a unique station that spawns PBG afte...
Yooo
Plaguebringer Contact Interface
"While completely blinded in rage and destruction, maybe the nanobots can still react to this"
half sage
i think what boi means is you get a prompt like you do for exos
deft yew
maybe uh
half sage
and once you click it she spawns
fossil bronze
i did it,,
cobalt pewter
Yooo
Plaguebringer Contact Interface
"While completely blinded in rage and destr...
I'll leave the details to em devs
fossil bronze
its posted,
deft yew
maybe make draedon's remote similar to rune of kos
fossil finch
Yeah it was just zany idea
open stag
once clicked it disappears and summons PBG if requirements are met
until you use the codebreaker again
open stag
maybe make draedon's remote similar to rune of kos
that'd also move it forward in progression by a lot
cobalt pewter
but point is an interactable furniture in jungle lab to spawn PBG
fossil bronze
did draedon make pbg in lore
cobalt pewter
lemme try suggesting it
open stag
i don't see a point to have the draedon's remote pre-plantera though
fossil bronze
i dont think he did
deft yew
it's post golem
fossil finch
@fossil bronze maybe add "This will keep plantera's somewhat unique spawning method while still having bulb's rng spawn not be annoying to deal with"
deft yew
IN FACT you have to kill golem to even access plague crap
open stag
oh that's deus
fossil bronze
<@870663930895290398> maybe add "This will keep plantera's somewhat unique spawn...
ok
deft yew
@modest cobalt i think what could work well is putting the darkness thing back, but instead of covering your screen it's a constant range indicator like how eternity bosses have rings of phantasmal spheres
fossil bronze
boom
done
modest cobalt
that could work too
deft yew
that way you can still see whatever projectiles are inside the range
the current indicator (you bursting into flames) is barely visible at ALL
safe oasis
isn't the rapid 1 damage very noticeable in and of itself
unborn siren
Make sure to have the full space between the title and description
safe oasis
Make sure to have the full space between the title and description
he does
deft yew
isn't the rapid 1 damage very noticeable in and of itself
well yes but actually no
fossil bronze
can you vote for your own suggestions in voting
unborn siren
yeah but a few above it don't
cobalt pewter
can you vote for your own suggestions in voting
ye
deft yew
i completely glaze over it half the time because it doesn't include a hurt sound
unborn siren
can you vote for your own suggestions in voting
yes
cobalt pewter
there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to
fossil bronze
fuck
deft yew
speaking of which if you go out of range there should be a burning sound
fossil bronze
i edited it lol
unborn siren
yeah just don't expect it to make much of a difference
fossil bronze
instead of posting a new message
gray nebula
imagine replacing portabulb with some sort of wacky zany fertiliser and you throw it down and you get a plantera bulb growing
fossil finch
Yea
cobalt pewter
you spam suggs to get attention
i spam suggs so that i could save them so I don't forget
we are not the same 😎
safe oasis
5 suggs within 10 minutes lma
open stag
posted our shitty draedon's remote suggestion
safe oasis
these are getting no votes
open stag
time to get shat on by mods
fossil bronze
i mean, portabulb could make sense with my sugg without a redesign
you plant a tiny bulb
deft yew
draedon's remote as it stands feels COMPLETELY useless
cobalt pewter
imagine replacing portabulb with some sort of wacky zany fertiliser and you thro...
true!
half sage
<@!343322337934049280> i think what could work well is putting the darkness thin...
perhaps she summons a ring of fire around her or smth and going past it inflicts the debuff, it'd show the range and be fitting because it would be you literally getting set on fire by the ring
hollow shell
"When you use it, the remote is not consumed but any prerequisite materials needed to summon the boss are used."
Why not just make the actual summon item for the boss? They're non-consumable now
gray nebula
just remove it kxddcdcdjdkfkkxjajajaja
deft yew
why not just
hollow shell
(Also your reasoning should mention that you chose Aureus PBG and Mechs specifically because they are Draedon creations in the lore)
deft yew
- make armored digger spawn earlier (and nerf it please i hate it lol)
- actually don't make it consume stuff or be able to summon the mechs, like, JUST aureus and pbg
imagine draedon's remote instead becomes the mech summon item and it lets you choose at your leisure
cobalt pewter
next up: make right clicking with Draedon's Remote open an UI, and you can toggle which bosses that will spawn upon using the remote with left click
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deft yew
thus removing three mega-basic summon items
fossil finch
Next up: remove
fossil bronze
idk if pbg + aureus would work
terse rain
so plague having its own loot farming/gear obtainable/doable in the jungle gets lumped in with the astral stuff for no reason
deft yew
can we talk about summon items in general
safe oasis
is it though?
deft yew
half of the summon items in calamity just make no sense
cobalt pewter
so plague having its own loot farming/gear obtainable/doable in the jungle gets ...
yeah, which is why I prefer my sugg of a furniture in jungle lab for pbg's natural spawning
safe oasis
i don't think there was any thought put into making mecha mayhem actually blend well together
cobalt pewter
jungle lab is really tied with plague as a whole
deft yew
HOLD UP
fossil bronze
i am stupid
deft yew
i might want to make a sugg about reworking a solid chunk of the summon items
or would that be too much work
terse rain
half of the summon items in calamity just make no sense
I mean the amount of summon items that make sense in base game is about 2
gray nebula
thing
fossil bronze
i thought it was asking for mecha madness but iwth pbg and aureus
deft yew
I mean the amount of summon items that make sense in base game is about 2
those being?
terse rain
those being?
uhhhhh good question man
cobalt pewter
iban stop being cryptic challenge (impossible difficulty)
deft yew
armored digger rework being planned is a certified pogfish
man i hate it right now
let's see if i can whip up a few ideas for summon item reworks. that fine if i just stick them here like not as an actual sugg yet
silver silo
iban correct grammar challenge (impossible)
open stag
mecha madness could still be an option with a reworked summon item for the first time you fight the mech bosses
instead of an all-purpose remote
silver silo
the mech summons are non consumable now literally just use them together
fossil bronze
cya later, im out
deft yew
i'm not talking about armored digger
open stag
this suggestion isn't about the armored digger at all
i'm not removing it unless what this suggestion has is 100% planned
you're being awfully cryptic for a person trying to moderate the channel
just tell me now
silver silo
is a suggestion to add an item that allows you to set your spawn without a bed a don't
cobalt pewter
doesn't sound like a cal thing
crude geode
No but like why
ionic frigate
They should add more summoner malice drops
cobalt pewter
just get cheat sheet lol
ionic frigate
Cus like as it stands there's only 2
worthy lintel
cobalt pewter
crude geode
Man all of these suggestions are gonna get like 120 cuz they’re all in the span of a hour
half sage
velvet lynx
yaaaay my suggestion got added now ill be able to actually fight da aquatic worm in pre-hm
next playthrough
crude geode
Bruh no subclass suggestions
crude geode
Also that
hollow shell
Been a while since we got a genuine subclass-only run suggestion
@knotty sonnet Check the Don'ts doc in the pins. We won't make subclass-only runs any easier. We balance for the five classes as wholes, i.e. you have plenty of melee options in early-game
(also Wooden Yoyo does indeed exist)
ruby plover
And Amazon
unborn siren
and even yoyo only isn't that bad, just use wooden yoyo until you can get amazon