suggestions-discussion

[crude geode]

Probably cuz outside of Drew’s wings there’s only the lunar wings post ml iirc

[hollow shell]

Elysian Wings

Silva Wings

[fossil finch]

Silva tarragon and Elysian wings are coping

[hollow shell]

Tarra- yeah

[fossil finch]

There still could be more (godslayer booster sprite hell

[crude geode]

true but like also in that point of progression you don’t realistically need flight time outside of line storm weaver (or if you really wanna build a massive fuck off dungeon arena)

Silva wings are somewhat applicable though I will say

But they’re only usable on two classes so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[half sage]

yea with silva/godslayer split it'd be nice to get a set of dedicated wings for god slayer

[hollow shell]

We've been planning on adding one for uhh

a year

But we did not get very many sprite submissions

And we didn't really like the ones that we got, although one was quite cool and got close

[half sage]

[hollow shell]

and ones that were of acceptable quality, were never officially submitted

So
We're doing it ourselves

(eventually)
(Iban's a busy guy)

[fossil finch]

Logar's godslayer booster coping

[crude geode]

Spriting does indeed seem like it is taking a while yeah

but that is understandable

[fossil finch]

Oh wait i think it wasn't logar's the one that was ultra pog

Byeah

[crude geode]

I do think if you really want tracer meta to be worse you just nerf the fuck out of the wing flight time but people would complain in droves about having to use more platforms

[fossil finch]

(It was Voïd's)

[hollow shell]

Voïd's is the pog one I was talking about yeah
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459252132068065280/792828379870789652/GodslayerWings.gif
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459252132068065280/792828391463583774/TwistedHeavensSent_OtherWordlyDeitiesGift.gif

I would have been happy with it getting in, but generally the devs wanted something more chunky and techy, and less flimsy

[crude geode]

Yeah that makes sense

[edgy path]

flap

[crude geode]

DoG is very big and chunky and not very fairy like like those wings are

[hollow shell]

(also the huge sheet, in both dimensions and animation frames, with a separately-animating idle state,
probably would have given the programmers a bit of a headache)

[gray nebula]

Evangelion!!!!

I love evang.. el

[drowsy plank]

well with the sprite rework i could see these wings fitting quite well with the new design, though it might've been a more reasonable argument with the design currently in the mod

[gray nebula]

naaa

with the sprite rework I'd have to redo them anyways

but I've got a wip for a placeholder

[cobalt pewter]

reject submission, iban will eventually sprite everything :sungla

jokes aside the submission for the gs booster things has been going on for a long while yea

[gray nebula]

sdct

I'm BUSY

I just recently learned how to code stuff for terraria and its a lot of fun (I love math!) but it's also a lot of choice paralysis

[distant gyro]

[cobalt pewter]

iban bout to take over the entire mod, doing everything himself

[gray nebula]

it was already terrible because I couldn't choose what to sprite of art but now I also have like so many ideas for code stuff I can't choose between

[cobalt pewter]

man

[fossil finch]

Damn i wonder

Almost as if

[grim tusk]

People on their way to suggest acid wood furniture for the 667th time

[hollow shell]

@frozen veldt It's coming

[fossil finch]

Yea

[frozen veldt]

oh

[grim tusk]

Did they lower the brightness of em? They look much better than the previous time i saw eme

[fossil finch]

Idk

[silver silo]

hi five to being unable to choose between things 🙏

[hollow shell]

They don't look any different from how I've seen them

unless you've seen their WIPs in Art Server

ig

[silver silo]

I'm gonna say it

angler should be happy in the sulphuric ocean, and amidias should be happy in the regular ocean

[grim tusk]

Maybe the lack of nutrition from recovering from wisdom tooth surgery did something. Yesterday my hearing felt funny

Thankfully i can eat now

[hollow shell]

"happy"
Not relevant yet.

[hollow shell]

Damn

[silver silo]

lets not pretend we dont see talk about journeys end stuff on a daily basis anyway 🗿

||wh*ps||

[grim tusk]

I think i would have gone insane if i wouldnt have some meat to eat in a few more days, thankfully its over and thats a topic for another time

[novel belfry]

also a bit of a question hows the progress for the dev team on this
#suggestions-voting message

because holy shit wof is the literal worst

[obsidian cove]

Did the suggestion about making it clearer calamity reworks the hard mode ores get through?

[distant gyro]

no conclusion

[half sage]

checkmark just means it reached the star req and was delivered, doesn't guarantee they'll actually try to implement it

[distant gyro]

devs were generally decently content with wof, but did not oppose a rework

[novel belfry]

generally decently content?

[distant gyro]

in other words

if it's not broken, don't fix it

[novel belfry]

in their defense, I am not building an arena to fight the wof

speaking of which

[distant gyro]

rev wof is supposed to be decent arena iirc

normal wof is just water walking

[novel belfry]

yeah

[distant gyro]

eternity wof is double instabridge

so it's somewhere in the middle

which is hard to gauge

[novel belfry]

i just defeated the wof, i shall leave this discussion

[grim tusk]

For me WoF is:
Normal: no arena lol
Expert: a bridge
Rev: a bridge again
Death: one bridge again, its just timing simulator and i think it needs a change
Emode: double bridge
Infernum: 2 is enough but I recommend 3 bridges, use only one and you’ll likely get clapped lol
Malice: idk havent tried it and i dont think i’ll waste my time on malice

[novel belfry]

luiafk to the rescue

[frozen hornet]

Malicious waffle from what I've seen is timing simulator as well, and then you enrage it and just hope you have enough health left because you will get hit by it's predictive-laser spam

[frank ridge]

Apparently.

I've had him around for like ten minutes by now.

As such, I'd recommend having him just dip if you don't choose within a certain amount of time.

Have Draedon leave if no Exo Mech is chosen after a certain amount of time, for example, a minute.

As Draedon himself counts as a boss entity, he gives the Boss Zen debuff, even during the Mech choice. However, given neither a consumable for summoning nor a timer for urgency, he will stick around for as long as you don't pick anything, allowing infinite Boss Zen at will. As making his summon use a consumable would be antithetical to the boss summon changes, having a set timer to the choice would be the preferable option, forcing him to leave without dropping any sort of loot if the player does not choose any mech to summon to prevent infinite Boss Zen.

That sound good?

[distant gyro]

yeah

[frank ridge]

Alrighty then.

[distant gyro]

do this if you take too long
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583454384290267147/890459400551153704/2021-09-22_23-47-19.mp4

[hollow shell]

beta leaks

Also this isn't really a huge deal

considering at this point in the game there isn't really much to abuse using Boss Zen

[frank ridge]

Yeah, it isn't really that urgent or anything, especially given how powerful the player no doubt is at that point.

Wouldn't expect Draedon himself to just stick around for fifteen minutes though, just waiting on the player.

[hollow shell]

yeah

[frank ridge]

Oh, that actually gives me an idea.

What if you could use the Draedon's Remote in the completed Codebreaker, and it would cause the fight to summon all 3 at once?

[hollow shell]

Absolute pain

[half sage]

[small timber]

although a bit late, I feel like the problem with the current tracer is that they have similar horizontal and vertical acceleration with wings of their tier (in fact higher horizontal speed due to boots component) but also that they are even more important now as MS fully work with boots (a.k.a. even more overpowered). More importantly, they count as wings which completely disincentivize using a wings with it.

The only difference between a tracer and a wing is the armor set bonus (which is usually not worth spending 1 more accessory slot unless you are not using boots at all), and that they have lower flight time which is not essential for most post-ML boss (as Celestial Tracer have good flight time)

So I will propose just make all Tracers similar to Angel Treads (not count as wing) but instead boost wings flight and only have certain level of flight by itself not by nerfing the wing flight time but rather nerfing the horizontal and vertical speed so that there is noticable difference in speed for the Tracer Wings compare to actual wings

[cobalt heath]

put that to the suggestion posting

[small timber]

just wanting to wait for if anyone has counter argument, since I am definitely sure I am missing something due to my inexperience

but I guess I can just put it

[cobalt heath]

but imo that would remove the reason to get seraph tracers since the only thing why i use em is cause they provide wings whit speed

[small timber]

it will basically make seraph tracer an angel treads with flight (which massively boost wings performance), just no longer a 2 in 1 accessory

and that is the main purpose since currently seraph tracer is arguable superior in every way

[cobalt heath]

wich removes the reason cause most off the times you have to prioritise combat > mobility. And that would be a huge reason to use mounts

[small timber]

ya, which is why I didnt posted it yet, because I am sure there will be something wrong with the suggestion

[cobalt heath]

like the one you get from bumblebord

[crude geode]

the horizontal and vertical speed when grounded should be the draw.

[small timber]

I feel like tracer should have lower horizontal speed just because they can get acceleration from running on ground

vertical too (at least not literally same level as on-tier wings)

flight time is fine, since they are a 2in1 accessory

[crude geode]

lower horizontal speed doesn't really make sense because everyone has dash at that time

[cobalt heath]

then you would just use the mount from dog, and add a combat slot

[small timber]

depends on how much it is nerfed it will make a difference definitely

I didn't put any numbers, just tinkering with the idea

[cobalt heath]

wich i do anyways but

the existence off endgame mount removes this idea cause just nerfing mounts would just be bad

[crude geode]

you're missing the whole debate between wings and tracers. The debate is wing flight time overall, which doesn't matter too much SINCE tracers have fantastic wing stats overall. You realistically need to nerf their wing stats to something mid hardmode.

[small timber]

what exactly are "problematic mount"? I don't really use mounts so have no insight of it

DoG mount is useful for DoG (but you already beat him) and useless for Yharon and Scal (maybe Draedon), Draedon mount is... Draedon mount

well... that is unironically what I am suggesting, at least from above

[cobalt heath]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Gaze_of_Crysthamyr

[crude geode]

bruh

[cobalt heath]

thats pre yharon

[small timber]

wing flight time is not fine because they currently have similar stats to on tier wings, what I suggested was to heavily nerf the wing stat except flight time

it is good for yharon? Due to Yharon bullet hell. Probably hard to use against Scal, Draedon maybe

[cobalt heath]

for scal you have gamer chair

[crude geode]

gaze of crysthamyr sucks lol

[small timber]

ya Draedon mount is still Draedon mount, I think that one is undebatable

it will just be overpowered as it is

[cobalt heath]

gaze is so good what are you on about

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Princess_Spirit_in_a_Bottle

[crude geode]

the upwards accel sucks for the main boss it's meant to be used for (yharon) and draedon requires you to move better

[cobalt heath]

and this is good too

[small timber]

that one I think will only be useful for DoG, I will debate that Jellybean is actually more overpowered

[crude geode]

jellybean is most useful for it's downward momentum

[small timber]

ya horizontal not so good

[cobalt heath]

but post the idea, get good grammar and reasons and let democracy work

[small timber]

I have a feeling that it will get like 30 votes (community don't like nerf suggestion), but I guess I will try, since it is known that tracer need a change, just whether what kind of change

[cobalt heath]

just say you wanna buff it and it will get 1000 votes

[cobalt heath]

you refined it to sound good

[small timber]

I mean I need to be stealthy to not make it have 30 votes

[cobalt heath]

another idea i have is you could be toggle the availability off flight by toggling the showing off the accessory

[crude geode]

Fuck no

[small timber]

I think devs really don't prefer that kind of solution, since there were complain for not being able to disable accessory without making it invisible

[crude geode]

We’ve had this problem before with shields

[cobalt heath]

lmao

[cobalt pewter]

It would work if an acc doesn't already have a player visual

but not tracers

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Sugg bot is down

[ashen warren]

Give it 30s

[ripe owl]

Holy fuck that's a big load of suggs

[cobalt heath]

The cryogen one is prolly the one to get In if any off those get in

[hollow shell]

Thank you Amber 👍

[exotic stag]

leonid. malachite. scarf. seas searing. dune hopper. etc

[earnest raptor]

I think the most attention is required for items that were tier-shifted and shifted to malice

like I remember people saying than pearl god is too weak for polter drop

[exotic stag]

meh

some weapons could be nerfed in malice and some could use buffs

but the majority are kinda alright

[earnest raptor]

kinda alright is... uhm

how I would say that

[exotic stag]

useful for more then 3 bosses

[earnest raptor]

malice is perceived as "too hard" mode, so "kinda alright" is equal to "not worth an effort"

yes, sea searing is powerful because it's legendary loot

that's a good malice loot

[cobalt pewter]

Dune Hopper sucks

I haven't tested the other 2 rogue weapons you mentioned

scarf is inconsistent as hell (bonk supremacy)

idk shit about sea's searing, but it was originally a legendary, so it should be strong

[frozen hornet]

Scarf is useful for destroyer

And worms ig

Searing is still pretty good afaik

[earnest raptor]

shpc is amazing too

[cobalt pewter]

shpc was also originally a legendary

I guess the buffs pretty much are needed for what were originally RIVs

Dune Hopper (on stealth, shoulda specified that, idk about spam) is significantly shittier than Sticky Spiky Balls atm

[frozen hornet]

hellborn is meme tier good

At least from what I've heard

[exotic stag]

also reaper is good..

but thats like pml

[cobalt pewter]

ye

[exotic stag]

(spear of destiny)

[frozen hornet]

god I want to use SoD so bad but my monitor broke right before I was going to do a second mech

[cobalt pewter]

pml has more balance effort than the rest of cal for 1.5 atm, thanks to curve flattening (for the most part, let's disregard BR for now)

[earnest raptor]

if post-ml was fucked up despite being announced as one of update's points...

devs would be burned alive

[exotic stag]

(i mean most of post ML for like rogue here or sumn is just: spam ele disk. get celestus. spam celestus. get reaper. spam both)

[earnest raptor]

reaper is drop from malice aew?

[exotic stag]

no

OD

[frozen hornet]

Reaper is malice duke

[exotic stag]

old duke

wait

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[exotic stag]

i thought i was on the wrong duke nope nvm

[earnest raptor]

then why you get celectus before reaper?

[exotic stag]

malice.

[frozen hornet]

I'd imagine reaper does well on yharon

Since funny single target

[exotic stag]

it does

it literally shreds

[frozen hornet]

Hilarious

[earnest raptor]

I mean....

homing, hits many times...

[exotic stag]

no its not like that uh

lets just say it uh

[frozen hornet]

It was my go-to weapon for OD which is pretty unfortunate

[exotic stag]

its basically old halibut.

except homing

[frozen hornet]

Terror

[exotic stag]

literal terror on yharon

[cobalt pewter]

I like how Reaper's original sprite is given to Valediction now

[frozen hornet]

Can't wait to get there then

[cobalt pewter]

I love the sprite so much

[frozen hornet]

Reaper's old sprite looks like vale's old sprite wearing rock armor

[earnest raptor]

sans scythe

[small timber]

I will not say "buff Malice weapons", I will just say buff those that are considerably underpowered
Malice weapon should be objectively better than weapons on tier, but they should never be "completely superior to all weapons 2-3 tiers onwards", because it will just result in a land slide where if you get a Malice boss you proceed to shred through the rest of content

[exotic stag]

^

[small timber]

if it is superior to on-tier, good enough 1/2 tier after and reasonable like around 3 tier it is already good

[fossil finch]

i mean sticky balls arent a fair comparision those are busted

no?
why?
what do you even mean
Brimstone locus exists so you know which items can be exhumed, then you go to scal and let her exhume them?
what is the issue

it doesn't need more use

[small timber]

I think it probably will be just extra step and change that is not really essential

considering the tier dont change

that will just be additional limitation without much reason

it is already kind of difficult to identify exhumable items without wiki even with the locus, giving it more limitation will just make it even more impossible to find (as it is hard to know what weapon are exhumable in your 1000 items chest)

[fossil finch]

eh, no

wiki existing is not an excuse to not inform the player of things in game

[exotic stag]

people who dont use wiki:

never just say "because wiki exists this is useless now"

[frozen hornet]

Locus is better than making people go to check the wiki

It's better to have information in the game itself and not only the wiki

[exotic stag]

^

you shouldn't need to go google something to find out stuff

[frozen hornet]

It's happened

I don't remember who was the one that suggested it but

[cobalt heath]

noo my change didnt get in yet

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message got in (partially)

[cobalt heath]

do the update is not done yet is prolly just waiting to be added

[eternal escarp]

feedz and solstice were the prominent ones iirc

[cobalt pewter]

me?

Thomas literally made 3 suggs specifically about Ectoblood

meanwhile I made 0 official suggs about Ectoblood

[eternal escarp]

oh

[cobalt heath]

i wonder why ectoblood was even there

[grim tusk]

also Scuttler's jewel rework

[frozen hornet]

I remember was it solstice that had the nick

"ectoblood is kil" smth like that

[vocal radish]

Hi
I’ve seen a few ideas/suggestions about an emech arena subworld if the fight continues to be largely “fall down and left, now fly up and fall again” to consistently dodge during the 2/3 mech phases. I think it’s a really good idea and was wondering if there’s been any statement by the devs on of sub worlds are smthn they’re willing to add. If so I have an idea on a cool way to implement arena buffs while keeping the “testing” theme alive with the draedon fight (which a subworld would also help with)

this is kinda rambly sorry

[hollow shell]

We have gotten a suggestion about an exo-mech subworld already, yeah
Subworlds would be a lot of effort but it is something one of our programmers has been looking into and working with anyway

[cobalt heath]

oh?

rover out here spoiling updates

[vocal radish]

neat. I’ll prob type out my idea for the arena buff thing soonish so I don’t forget

[sand condor]

So do you just ping here to discuss suggestions? Like how do I know if it was accepted or rejected?

[cobalt heath]

thats the voting channel

[hollow shell]

Your suggestion needs to have a reason

[gray nebula]

when the animation pacing is dubious ❗

[sand condor]

What do you mean "reason"?

[hollow shell]

And yeah that animation is like 10x longer than the real fire rate lol

[cobalt heath]

and aurix, you need proper reasoning even to get your thing looked at

[sand condor]

I guess quality of life

[hollow shell]

You need to explain in your suggestion why it should be implemented into the mod

[cobalt heath]

like look at my accepted idea

thats how its done

[sand condor]

Ok but what about rotating gun barrels for miniguns?

I have an example of that too, should've posted it first lol

https://youtu.be/uny0v6_J1hU

[safe oasis]

qol in what way? it’s just an animation afaik

not actually affecting anything

[cobalt heath]

yeah, but write it

[sand condor]

Yeah it makes it look better

[frozen hornet]

You could do it for minigun but it would be better if you submit in the art server's sprites-submissions channel I think

[sand condor]

Ah got it.

[frozen hornet]

That's not qol smj

That's just a visual change

[gray nebula]

pixelart gun animations are the bane of my sanity but i cant help but agree that the heavy hitting sniper rifles and such lack a lot of punch

[hollow shell]

Quality Of Life means that it makes the player's experience more convenient

[gray nebula]

the main reason why most guns arent animated though, is that animating guns require holdouts and thats a lot more complicated than a basic gun

[sand condor]

What's a holdout?

[gray nebula]

well

its as the name says

its basically a custom "projectile" the player holds out in front of them

its whats used when you have weapons that do stuff over time like a charge or smth

[obsidian cove]

Every animated weapon is actually a projectile

[sand condor]

Oh

[gray nebula]

weapon, not item

items can be animated in the inventory just fine

[sand condor]

Well for the Onyxia/ Onyx Chain Blaster, you can have it such that its barrels rotate when you use it

[gray nebula]

:|

yes

[vocal radish]

long message incoming

Basically what I think would be a cool way to balance arena buffs with a draedon subworld if it gets added
Once you wind up in the subworld somehow, along with picking what mech you fight first , you could also pick what aoe arena buffs you want (so no honey) served by chef draedon in the form of injection or ||nanomachines :)||. Every buff would have a downside, however, such as reduced life Regen, max life, max mana, mana Regen, move speed, etc. this could help people no hit the boss, as some of the buffs people use for no hits (like the effigies) could bring down player defense, allowing for the same no-drawback usage as they would in a no hit. This would keep the theme of a testing area, and draedon already allowing you choices with how you start the fight. I think that this would be really cool and help the draedon fight stick out even further, but all of this hinges on the idea of a subworld anyway

[sand condor]

And it could work with Weapon out mod since I think weapon out uses the inventory sprite, I think.

[gray nebula]

but as i just said this requires using holdouts and those are a bit more complicated than your usual basic chaingun

[sand condor]

ah so it's a technical issue?

[gray nebula]

well

yeah?

[sand condor]

mm I understand

Kind of a bummer :|

[gray nebula]

imean its not impossible to do (the snowball minigun is a holdout and is animated

(its a holdout because it speeds up over time)

so i mean, yes the guns could be animated, but it would take extra effort than just animating the sprite

i mean not that im opposed to it anyways

[sand condor]

Wait is the Ark of the Cosmos animated? I haven't played Calamity in a while

[gray nebula]

no its not

[sand condor]

But you can animate the item just fine, right?

I'd be willing to do that, as in make a gif of the animation

[gray nebula]

:;

i just said its not JST THAT

[sand condor]

what?

[obsidian cove]

I didn’t remember it being that hard, you just have a timer and change projectile.Frame

[sand condor]

You said it's not animated

[gray nebula]

you can have the onyx chain blaster spinning in your inventory but when you're actually firing with it, its gonna be unanimated

same goes for the ark of the cosmos

[cobalt heath]

aurix provide the thing youself, try shit, and remember a thing called weapon out

[gray nebula]

(and i dont even know how easy it is to have a separate animated item sprite vs unanimated used sprite)

[sand condor]

I can't try it cause I don't have a PC anymore

[cobalt heath]

damm

[gray nebula]

i mean i would much rather not get the sprite provided by some third part

in terms of doing the animations i can handle that just fine

[sand condor]

But I'm still a big fan of calamity and I would love to take part in something

[cobalt heath]

oh cause you are the art guy

i forgot

[sand condor]

i-

ok

Mean but ok

[cobalt heath]

i was talking to eris

not you

cause i totally forgot that eris does art for calamity

[sand condor]

oh

I thought you were being sarcastic lmao

[cobalt heath]

no i literally forgot they do it lmao

[sand condor]

lol big misunderstanding

[sand condor]

So can you animate the Galaxy part of the sword? It won't really matter when used cause it's so fast you know

[gray nebula]

im litterally the lead artist

ZAMN

also yes i could animate it

idk if i would tho, because i dont know if its that necessary really

[sand condor]

It's not but it would be nice :)

Also at the late stage of the game, it's rewarding to have a weapon that sort of... glows. You know?

[cobalt heath]

aurix, to my understanding, there is an art dc for calamity. I think you might have talent, you can have a chance like the guy who made the art for polterghast

go there

[sand condor]

ooo

I'm interested

where doe

XD

[hollow shell]

Yeah if you really want to you can join the art server and submit stuff there
Link in #info

[gray nebula]

but it would take time to animate

[sand condor]

I may make a suggestion in the art discord, right?

[gray nebula]

i only have so much time in a day and ideally more important stuff should get prioritized

you cant rly suggest sutff in the art discord, just submit sprites

[cobalt heath]

aka art

[sand condor]

you take gif sprites right?

[gray nebula]

(also wym by that)

what does polterghast have to do w this

[sand condor]

Polterghast is like plantera

Plantera is a plant

[cobalt heath]

cause he got the place in the art team due to his submission

[sand condor]

Plants are used to make dyes

[gray nebula]

(wait really?)

[sand condor]

So colors, then art.

[cobalt heath]

okay i think you may have made it or i am just dumm

[gray nebula]

no

metarex made it

im just really not sure if he got dev after making polterghast

[hollow shell]

Which Polterghast art are you referring to?

[cobalt heath]

wait what

[hollow shell]

And who are you referring to?

[cobalt heath]

metarex i guess i just remember the qna 10k special video where they talked bout that

[hollow shell]

Oh yeah that was like a long-ass time ago

I think that pre-dates the Art Server's existence

[cobalt heath]

lmao

[hollow shell]

We used to have a channel in this server for spriting and art

[cobalt heath]

(but the same idea right)

he got in whit art submission

or they i have no clue

ill just say they to be safe

[sand condor]

lol

Why don't we have any roles?

It's by design I guess

[cobalt heath]

no one has unless you are speacial

one is easy to get

the warned role

[hollow shell]

(the 'Wiki Contributor' role is given to anyone who asks. It's uncolored and just grants you access to a more in-depth wiki channel compared to #wiki-discussion)

[cobalt heath]

(gimme pls)

[worthy lintel]

You do have a pretty clean record

.

[cobalt heath]

man i just gotta get more ideas to suggest which arent bad

[exotic stag]

i mean i dont contribute much to the wiki i just edited one page for the reaper and thats it

[cobalt heath]

cause in 3 days i have got 3 new weapon ideas, 2 armor change ideas, a dev item idea and a boss change idea

[exotic stag]

uh

[cobalt heath]

wich arent allowed lmao (exept the scarlet one)

[worthy lintel]

(If you still want Contributor I can do)

[cobalt heath]

swagcat atleast needs it cause he edited pages lmao

[exotic stag]

i dont

i edited one page.

literally wrote one thing and that was literally nothing

[cobalt heath]

I just want the honors to edit the scarlet Page when the Change rolls around

[full pivot]

@earnest raptor it's wyrm, not wurm

[earnest raptor]

ouch

[hollow shell]

Yeah this sugg makes sense

[worthy ferry]

Does this mean the empty world falling strat isn't as cheese as it seems?

[hollow shell]

(The subworld testing wasn't for the exo mechs)

It's not out of the realm of possibility that subworlds could be utilized for the exo mechs though
However it is very unlikely

[worthy ferry]

I am not upset with the exos but I gotta ask, with the response to them, do you know if tweaking is planned or is the idea more so that people are just not good and will eventually get better and the exo's are fine

[earnest raptor]

I guess the reason why you need world-wide arena for exo mechs is because they are locked on player screen

so you can't circle or outrun them

[dapper coral]

if people are still having issues with exo mechs in like a few months maybe things'll be more open to suggestion

for now it's moreso that they're new and people aren't used to them so they need to figure it out first

[worthy ferry]

my biggest issue w/them is either exo-destroyer blocks me whilst dodging and thus cuts off a lot of the real estate for moving without getting hit, and Are has a higher dominance budget IMO, his attacks are a lot more dangerous and force you to move to avoid them which can easily get you into running into other Exo's attacks

The hardest phase of the entire fight is when all three are out IMO

but yeah im not that upset about them unlike some of the community but practice will help sure.

I hope its not cheese but i will use a world/wide arena for fighting them.

[frail mantle]

yea no waiting before we take in feedback for the fight makes sure the feedback we get isn't just people malding because they can't beat the emechs on their first tries five seconds after the update dropped

[worthy ferry]

I do reckon some changes arent needed but I also do think its doable. I do reckon it's a bit harder than Scal tho for sure

[cobalt heath]

What i personally think needs to happen is a buff to scal

And for exo weapons you should need like ashes off calamity

Cause rn it just is that you will Best draedon first for exo shit and then you clap scal whit the New gear

Or even better, remove the requirement for auric and exo prisms In shadowspec gear and nerf them to compensate

So you can Take either path and get the same level off gear

And for scal it should just be numbers. Like More hp and dr

[worthy ferry]

Ah I dont think that'll happen

[cobalt heath]

Cause rn progression implicates that draedon first

But difficulty and balance says scal first

[worthy ferry]

People need to practice exos but also exos could do with some tweaking but once they're more equal with Scal, progression seems beautiful

Shadowspec will ALWAYS be the top tier, no matter what (I believe)

[dapper coral]

draedon and scal are meant to be the same tier

dont forget that scal also has her own weapon drops too

which are meant to be better on exo mechs than regular post-yharon gear

[grim tusk]

(Unless the weapon is called Sacrifice, but cuz thats more of a support)

Do either first with rogue, you’re fucked either way

[earnest raptor]

The difference is than SCal doesn't unlock some of most iconic weapons in the mod

photo is still good, suckers!

[grim tusk]

Photo was meant to be good, not op as hell

Curve flattening finally made photo not be OP pls nerf or hot garbage

[dapper coral]

i mean sure but they're still better gear than what you had pre-scal

i dont really see how that's relevant

"iconic" means nothing in terms of game progression

[grim tusk]

^

[earnest raptor]

I am saying than SCal only has her drops and exhumed weapons as rewards

While mechs give exo shits

Which is a lot

[grim tusk]

The only thing that I agree with is that its hardest when all 3 mechs gang up on you, tied with Exo twins last

[dapper coral]

why is that important though? you still get better gear at the end of the day

[grim tusk]

Demonshade armor rework in soon™️

Also scal’s weapons are great (unless its sacrifice, either buff dmg or lifesteal)

[earnest raptor]

Hm, actually

[dapper coral]

whether it's one weapon or two (or like seventeen if you're melee exdee) you still get more weapons regardless of if you do exos or scal first

[worthy ferry]

The soul seeker summon seems pretty weak, like the ufo summon does more dps least in my experience

Also with scal sentry weapon, is that usable with other weapons (like a ranged gun) or will it stop working

[grim tusk]

You need to swap and right click with the staff

Then do whatever

[dapper coral]

i dont think it'll stop working if you use another class

probably

idk for sure

[sleek wadi]

Unless you're true melee, neither of the individual bosses unlock a weapon so you're using murasama and dragon rage for both sadly. Unless you consider photon ripper to be true melee

[dapper coral]

thats a subclass issue

in which case you brought that upon yourself

[earnest raptor]

Tru meme on post-dog

[grim tusk]

Also rogue went from too little javelins to too many javelins in 1.5 lol (yet none besides 3 (1 being malice) in pre-hm at all)

[grim tusk]

Jokes on you, enforcer is good

[sleek wadi]

Its not that true melee suffers to actually clear content except Yharon lmao, its just that its kinda lame not getting something new

[earnest raptor]

We need a spear that can reach Ares's stupid face!

[sleek wadi]

A spear that can reach apollo and artemis more like, Murasama can already hit 3 of ares parts at once

[earnest raptor]

Murasama is a sword tho

There is too many swords in mods, we need toothsticks!

[worthy ferry]

The exos have a lot of power budget placed in attacks that force you to dodge in a certain way and when all 3 are in it's so easy for them to conflict and force damage

[worthy ferry]

Will demonshade be a straight upgrade of Tesla armor?

[earnest raptor]

Hmmmm, the attacks being not synced, I heard that somewhere...

[fossil finch]

Yes

I mean it won't be made with auric armor

And if you get hit a good deal auric may still be better for you

[worthy ferry]

Where is this information from sir?

[half sage]

imagine if demon shade and exo armor both needed auric tesla to make

[fossil finch]

Getting night souls is good

Suggestion destroyed

[fossil finch]

Devs

On the now private draedon update talk channel

(Will exist again when 1.5.1 is announced

[earnest raptor]

In 2023?

[fossil finch]

2022 actually.,.

[worthy ferry]

I'd prefer that, I'd enjoy the sense of progression

But also seems awful to keep all the bonus effects moving forward

But if the armors are upgrades, that'll make exos easier when the armors are out

[half sage]

having to farm out 2 auric tesla sets if you wanted to make both armors

[fossil finch]

You don't need them to be direct crafts to get a sense of progression

[worthy ferry]

I like grind frick yeah

[fossil finch]

God i really need to get those emojis iban has

[worthy ferry]

I know I just like lots of complex crafting but that's just my opinion.

[frail mantle]

AT, Exo and demonshade are meant to be basically sidegrades

I think

[fossil finch]

At will be a little worse normally

But still the most balanced (as in literally having both sides of the buffing spectrum)

Out of the 3

[worthy ferry]

Will exo armor be made from prisims or MM is the question tho

[frail mantle]

AT is balanced damage and defense, demonshade is glass cannon and Exo armor is basically immortality as long as you’re smart about it (no revives though)

It’s Exo armor

[fossil finch]

Exo armor will probably require mm

[frail mantle]

MM is the Exo material

[fossil finch]

More exo prisms craft in 2022

[earnest raptor]

Will it make you turn into transformer?

[fossil finch]

No

[earnest raptor]

Aw

[worthy ferry]

I cant wait to see how it looks
Exo is so my type, I love robotics

[frail mantle]

That would be sick but probably not

[fossil finch]

It will make you into chungus wholesome keanu

[frail mantle]

Finally

[earnest raptor]

No turning into spaceship

[frail mantle]

Redditor armor

[worthy ferry]

Exo wings one day ?!

[fossil finch]

Nah

[earnest raptor]

Exo gravity device instead

[fossil finch]

Exo do not the exo thematic

[earnest raptor]

In 2022, Terraria mods will allow you to fall sideways

[grim tusk]

Question: how much “nanomachines son” is exo armor + every fucking tanking accs including draedon’s heart?

[worthy ferry]

Have we seen the any of how the design for exo armor will be?
Also, ddemonshade. Will it have a ranger helm?

[frail mantle]

Yes.

We have no clue what Exo armor will look like

Demonshade rework includes more helmets

One for mage/summoner, one for ranged/rogue and one for melee

[earnest raptor]

DR formulas is a bitch, unfortunately

[worthy ferry]

Anything known about the range helm will do? Doing a range playth and really curious what the armor might do to affect ranged projectiles or what not

[earnest raptor]

Even with soul of eternity you couldn't do much facetanking against SCal.

[worthy ferry]

So much possiblity its exciting

[frail mantle]

Iirc there were some vague concepts thrown around in update talk by ozz a while back

But I can’t remember the specifics and I can’t exactly go check

[fossil finch]

We do know exo will be ultra tanking

[fossil finch]

They applied the system.. they could always just bypass it while making sure you cannot facetank

[safe oasis]

@mellow comet last line could go tbh (the one about being small) but otherwise good i think

[worthy ferry]

Will it be similar to the current demonshade or will the range version be completely different

[frail mantle]

Absolutely no idea

[worthy ferry]

Mmkay

I feel like the new armor added in, gem armor is a donator item, sounds like one

[frail mantle]

gem tech is indeed donor

[fossil finch]

Express what does it do with one letter

[worthy ferry]

Is the prince a donor npc

If it isnt, then my donor item is now #30. Getting closer!

[hollow shell]

Donor item

Just weirdly named

[dapper coral]

d

[eternal escarp]

d-emolish

[dapper coral]

(the d stands for death)

[eternal escarp]

close enough

[worthy ferry]

Ah so it is a donor item

That means I'm #29 yay

Are we able to know what tier these donor items are at ?

[hollow shell]

(On our list you're actually marked #31
We don't necessarily do them in order, for instance Thaumatic Chair was actually one of the most recent item donations, it was just so easy to implement that we did it right away)

[dapper coral]

you'll see what tier they're at when the update comes out iirc,.,.,.

(unless someone feels like leaking lol)

[worthy ferry]

Ah I remember I was 31 and saw these donor items through so assumed I moved but 31 still pretty good, I'm sure I'll see my item next year sometime

A chair donor item, fair enough!!

[hollow shell]

(Also, early donors occasionally come out of the woodworks with item requests that were never recorded or never requested in the first place, and that pushes later donors back)

[dapper coral]

i think you mean

chair enough

[worthy ferry]

Ah yeah I might've been pushed around because of that, makes sense

[fossil finch]

Useful

[hollow shell]

@tidal sage Sounds like a report for #bugs-read-pins

[tidal sage]

ok

[novel belfry]

wait when did yoyo bag get the 33% less damage

cause why

[hollow shell]

Yoyo Bag.

[half sage]

because it doubles your yoyo

[hollow shell]

ah nvm misread

Yeah it's to make balancing yoyos less of a nightmare

[half sage]

so even with a -33% damage penalty it's still a net improvement

[hollow shell]

Keep around the same DPS with a bit of an improvement

instead of

literally double

[cinder escarp]

what're some ways that the Blood Moon can be expanded in Calamity?

[cobalt pewter]

at least giving them another attack could be cool yes

like a quick slash dash for catastrophe and short punch dashes for cataclysm

[lunar sky]

Yeah

Like that exhumed weapon

Cinders of Lament

[river glen]

wasnt the nerf to yoyo bag to make yoyos not be absolute F tier weapons without it

[lunar sky]

Wouldn’t that be really OP though?

[sly sable]

Depends how it's crafted/what crafting station is needed. For end-game I think it'd be a handy tool

Although I don't think Solar Tablet should be part of it personally

[river glen]

i dont think u can do that...

promote people to vote for a suggestion..

[half sage]

that was submitted after star req got upped, so even if it hits 200 now, it'd need 70 more to get sent

[sly sable]

Oh, sorry. If that's true I'll remove it. I don't see my support for the suggestion as not being "discussion" though

[crude geode]

technically the advertisement rule is only for your own suggestion but still

If you really want the suggestion to go through I would recommend just asking the original poster if they can send it again/if you can repost it

[sly sable]

Okay, I'll remove it. I hope my manner of supporting the idea didn't end up tainting anyone's opinion on the suggestion

[worthy lintel]

the items you can exhume have a faint glow when you open the enchantment menu iirc

i haven't properly tried it yet

[fossil finch]

The glow is for locust only

And it always happens

[exotic stag]

thats where your uh..

wrong?

[fossil finch]

I mean when you read "this tells you which items you can exhume" you'd think people would want to check around with all items they own

[dapper coral]

the locus is the only way to find out what weapons can be exhumed without going to the wiki, yes

[crude geode]

is there any plans to add more exhumed items or is it just the 5?

[half sage]

yea there's plans for more iirc

[lunar sky]

Shouldn’t this be in #calamity-mod-talk

?

[dapper coral]

there will def be more

[lunar sky]

Epic style

[crude geode]

I'm asking in case I can suggest things surrounding it lol

[dapper coral]

i assume this was in prep for a sugg yeah

[worthy ferry]

More enchantments pog?!

[dapper coral]

well hold on

its not more enchantments, its more exhumed items

[lunar sky]

Ah alright

Carry on (:

[worthy ferry]

All do that, that's the idea

[worthy ferry]

Surely more enchantments down the road tho

[dapper coral]

i do not know

if there are plans for those they are way down the line

[crude geode]

current enchantments must be a balancing headache already, so I think adding more would just increase the problem.

[worthy ferry]

Okay but I meant like they're all positive with a negative

Aflame is just positive lmao

[fossil finch]

That's the point™️

[sleek wadi]

Except my healthbar is worth more than theirs, so those enchants are stinky

[dapper coral]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha definitely not painful at all :)

[crude geode]

thought as much

looking at exhaustion on the wiki is a headache in and of itself

[hollow shell]

And that's why Turtle Armor sucks in 1.3

[dapper coral]

keep in mind that enchantments as a whole are also a fairly new system so i think more feedback in general would be beneficial before adding even more

[crude geode]

Exhaustion is probably my favorite so far, just a incredibly neat mechanic "borrowed" from thorium lol

[dapper coral]

like, adjusting aflame and stuff so that you dont get cucked by dot or something

(idk that may or may not have happened i have forgotten)

[fossil finch]

Thorium invented exhaustation mechanics

CRYING

[worthy ferry]

Wither is a death sentence for me

[half sage]

[worthy ferry]

I know just swap weapon but NO

[dapper coral]

interactions with certain classes/subclasses, etc etc

lots of tweaking before anything else

[worthy lintel]

How many times has the issue of Resentful being terrible brought up

[dapper coral]

at least 4

[worthy lintel]

zamn

[worthy ferry]

Strong sentry with an enchantment that spawns those portals seems like it could be good

[half sage]

I haven't messed with enchantments because the drawbacks sound too gamer for me to handle

[fossil finch]

Yet you use exhumed weapons

The hypocrisy

[crude geode]

Highly dependent on the weapon, but oblatory is busted

[fossil finch]

Smh

[deft yew]

bloodthirsty may be crazy for true melee, but...

[worthy ferry]

Everything related to scal nnpc is stronger but dangerous so yeah

[deft yew]

bloodthirsty final dawn

final dawn likes bloodthirsty because yeet

instead of having a few tiles between you and the enemy, you plow straight through them

[worthy lintel]

Isn't Oblatory notorious for being suicide with low use time weapons

[deft yew]

wait a second actually

[crude geode]

I think it might be

[deft yew]

when i give calamitas a rogue weapon like atom splitter

[grim tusk]

Buff aflame’s vul hex
Nerf ephemeral
Reduce withering’s DoT
Add a cooldown for the Lecherous blood orb monsters spawning after dying, maybe 10 seconds
Change Resentful and Bloodthirsty from 0.7/0.75 min 1.4/1.75 max to 0.75 min 1.4 max
Make the Demon’s from persecuted spawn every 10 seconds instead of 30, feels like they barely do anything

[fossil finch]

Because yoyos are fundamentally not melee

[deft yew]

i don't see oblatory

[crude geode]

Oblatory is nuts.

[deft yew]

is oblatory only for mage weapons or something

[crude geode]

yep

[worthy lintel]

only mage

[deft yew]

ah

same as tainted being melee only

[crude geode]

more damage, less mana cost, but you take damage on use

[fossil finch]

The yoyo is a projectile

[deft yew]

are there other class enchantments?

[fossil finch]

Destroyed

[crude geode]

mage and summoner both get 2 each

[deft yew]

plus melee that makes 12 right

[crude geode]

I think they should honestly get like 1 more each since melee also gets one but melee bias

[deft yew]

:true:

[crude geode]

turn off reply ping

Oblatory needs to actually function on stuff like Heresy tho

[deft yew]

wait why is murasama true melee then

[grim tusk]

Oh about that one
What the fuck were they thinking, fucking 50% dmg, nerf that to 20% lol and the reduced mana cost to 20% rather than 40%

[deft yew]

all melee weapons are internally classified as projectiles

[fossil finch]

Everything in the game is a projectile

[deft yew]

melee

more like

!wiki the burning sky

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/The_Burning_Sky

[deft yew]

it literally is

[crude geode]

anyways back to enchantments.

[deft yew]

aflame is kinda cheap

tbh

[worthy ferry]

Isnt ephemeral only good for charging slow weappns

[deft yew]

yes, slow weapons

[crude geode]

it's nuts on stealth weapons though

[deft yew]

ephemeral scarlet devil

[crude geode]

like 55% damage buff

[grim tusk]

Its the best with those but due to how fucking fast it recharges its ok with everything that is not ranger machinegun

[deft yew]

i imagine aflame slaps on lifesteal weapons

which is why i'm getting aflame sacrifice

[crude geode]

lowering the recharge rate would probably be for the best

[grim tusk]

Ye

[crude geode]

also I would recommend not just saying "nerf this enchantment" and instead being specific on what's op
Oblatory I would prefer if it kept more of it's damage buff instead of just being magic power pot, considering you're literally dying for it's effect. Just fix it only functioning on the initial use on Heresy and other weapons of it's type, and change it from a chance effect to something more consistent and harmful.

Also I assume the wiki doesn't have the damage numbers versus enemies because I hope to god the demons from Perescuted don't do 95 damage, and that the monsters from Traitorous do more than 102 to enemies.

[crude geode]

I tried oblatory with dance of light which is like the lowest use time weapon and it wasn't all that bad. My natural life regen mostly cancelled it. Anything more known for use time being wacky likely doesn't function with the enchantment's downside. (Heresy).

[cinder escarp]

istg the Twins are the most unfair fight out of the 3 mechanical bosses

[worthy lintel]

Fair

[crude geode]

I hope that's a known issue btw

[grim tusk]

Another idea is flipping the bonuses of Resentful and Bloodthristy

Bloodthirsty is fucking busted lmao

[dapper coral]

correct

wiki does not currently hold those values

[crude geode]

Wonderful

[grim tusk]

Bug Altix about that i guess

[dapper coral]

also yes i think issues with oblatory have been noted before

and doubleyes resentful and bloodthirsty have been noted as being slightly unbalanced in opposite directions

just a little

[dapper coral]

• done (maybe i forgor)
• being looked at
• maybe being looked at
• what are the blood orb monsters lmao i have no idea
• discussed previously
• has not been discussed

[crude geode]

The monsters that mess with homing + drop hearts

Causes shit ton of gibs in multiplayer for some reason

People not understanding suggestion system

[worthy lintel]

@green lotus you need a format and reasoning

[dapper coral]

oh those things

i mean maybe but also the whole point is that you get 0 homing, all the time

thats the drawback for getting helth™️

[green lotus]

ok sry

[dapper coral]

MP is also an entirely different beast so uhhhhhh yeah im sure the programmers will have a good time with fixing enchant stuff there :)))))

[crude geode]

Yeah

it’s fine, this is the reason we have #suggestions-posting in the first place lol

Yeah MP is a bit glitchy, half the exhumed weapons either lag the fuck out of the game or just straight up crash it.

[grim tusk]

-Nice

• It prob needs to recharge slower
• alr
• essentially monster that follows cursor, free healing when destroyed. Op with anything that can pierce
• alr
• take your time

[dapper coral]

oh bugger i forgot about piercing

yeah no thats probably bad lol!

[crude geode]

Yeah it can also be placed on non homing weapons so uhhhh

[dapper coral]

what if it just killed all piercing abilities

that would be kinda funny i think

[crude geode]

That would be funny

Fucking wreck vehemence more than it already was

[dapper coral]

idek what vehemence looks like these days

itll get balanced one day

[fossil finch]

It looks cool

[grim tusk]

At least veh is no longer
“the oneshot stick”

[crude geode]

Visually is cool, I am just disappointed by it no longer doing dense amounts of damage

[green lotus]

I hope this new one is a little better

[grim tusk]

It had to be done

Otherwise just dmg multiplier jank and oops Draedon is fucking dead

[crude geode]

If you do SCal first yeah

[dapper coral]

oh right it's like actually a real weapon now

[grim tusk]

Before it “being one hit obliterator” was fine cuz in BR everything (except red sun lol) shredded everything

But now theres a boss in front of it

And BR has rdr

[silver silo]

Hey question are Drew’s wings appearance final or a placeholder

[grim tusk]

Final?

Unless iban wants to resprite

Anyways if you’re suggesting a change for em make sure to not break the dont

[silver silo]

[grim tusk]

[silver silo]

At iban

[grim tusk]

@green lotus prob you got flagged for formatting

[green lotus]

F what happens then?

[crude geode]

You fix it by putting the reasoning on a separate line

With shift enter

[green lotus]

ok sweet I fixed that bc I accidently did only enter lol I'm used to google docs

[fossil finch]

Iban (only spriter

Anyways no i do not think they're final

Its just that no one has resprited them

Lo

[cobalt pewter]

also this sugg could be irrelevant once 1.4 tmod arrives, since they'll thanos lore items and the written content will be moved to Bestiary instead

but for now it's fine I think

[worthy ferry]

What's aflamed now

[dapper coral]

wdym now

[crude geode]

Look at enchantments on the wiki lol

[dapper coral]

you mean, whats changed?

or what is it

[worthy ferry]

Yeah

Nah I k what it is, 3k dmg per aex

Sec, cool fire animation

[dapper coral]

m

[worthy ferry]

If it got changed, what is the change

[dapper coral]

yeah i have no idea what changed exactly, only that it should be better

[worthy ferry]

3k per second seems good

[dapper coral]

(im also not sure that im at liberty to tell you even if i did know)

[worthy ferry]

Am I dumb, I use it with everything

[dapper coral]

i think people moreso think the debuff is overly punishing

the downside

[crude geode]

Yeah

[worthy ferry]

I never notice it

Itlike-1hp

[crude geode]

It’s a buff slot plus it disables natural regen

[worthy ferry]

Idek what natural regen numbers are

[cobalt pewter]

natural regen is whatever regen you have from most sources

(aside from Crown Jewel)

[worthy ferry]

So its strong?

Alg 3k extra dmg is worth

[cobalt pewter]

buff slots became a pretty valuable aspect of the game later on

[crude geode]

Yeah

3 k extra damage sounds nice but then again so does 20% magic damage, or a Yharim’s stim, or damage reduction

[worthy ferry]

Ah so maybe I should take it off my minigun I guess

[frozen hornet]

Isn't this just old destroyer

[golden narwhal]

Seems so, but more tame

[unborn siren]

It combines calamity’s volley system with vanilla laser shooting

For hopefully better results

[lone geyser]

thanks devs 🙏

[hollow shell]

👍

[frozen hornet]

That's still gonna be a pain, no?

The volley change was made because destroyer is absolute bullshit to dodge

[hollow shell]

@coarse bronze What the hell are you talking about

[coarse bronze]

oh fuck wrong server

I thought this was the overmorrow

[hollow shell]

Okay that explains a lot

[crude geode]

Having them spawn offscreen would be kinda dense ngl

[cobalt heath]

it would be more unfair but at the same time more fair

[velvet lynx]

I personally feel like this isnt fair tbh

is it humanly possible to react, yes, but only if you actively are looking for an orb to spawn right next to you instead of what most people do, trying to dodge and attack the actual boss

all other times, you take an unfair hit

from the moment it spawns you have like 0.5 seconds to adjust your trajectory

[safe oasis]

if you fought the boss then you'd know that it has a tendency to dash and you should therefore keep a safe distance

though i agree the 0 telegraph is pretty bad

being that close to the ball was a direct result of not dodging the dash there i think

[velvet lynx]

thats not the point, ive had been hit by that orbs in multiple different angles even when i completely dodge the boss and im relatively safe

it spawns and takes my adrenaline away

most of the time i get hit, its before the dashing phase, but it also happens on the last phase too

[safe oasis]

wait now looking at it again, how'd you even get hit by that

(death frame)

bolt was all the way over there

[velvet lynx]

i died cuz debuff

Heres a slightly better example, the orb sometimes spawns closer making it almost undodgable if you arent looking for it, this time it spawned a little further away but i still got hit because i was focused on trying to find the tail to use my adrenaline on

[safe oasis]

yeah that's definitely a problem i think, though making it spawn off screen is not the solution for that

[velvet lynx]

what do you suggest instead

so i can edit

[safe oasis]

probably use whatever code used to predict player movement for old duke dashes and use it to not spawn in the direction the player is moving but i have no idea if that's possible

[velvet lynx]

or maybe make the orb itself have no colission

maybe for like a second

thats enough time to dodge

Here's a really good example of what im taking about

[safe oasis]

then you'd get hit by the lightning that comes right after

like in that clip there, that was the lightning

[velvet lynx]

thats true, mmm

all i want is these orbs to not make me lose unfairly health and adrenaline, but im not exactly sure how to suggest it

[cobalt heath]

cause if it would spawn offscreen the range would have to be extended making it more unfair cause you cant then see it when it spawn

now you can atleast see it and it doesnt start to shoot instantly

[ruby plover]

Just did a no hit of this thing and almost every single one of my 70 deaths was to an orb that didnt give me time to dodge

Also the orb doesn’t do damage, the lightning does

[velvet lynx]

its hard to tell because everytime i go inside the orb, a lightning comes right off

so it gives the illusion that its the orb

still

[golden narwhal]

A dust telegraph for the orb could be an option

Since it's random, just show where it'll spawn beforehand

[cobalt heath]

that would be good

[ruby plover]

Woah that’s actually a really good idea

[velvet lynx]

Ill suggest that, thanks!

[cobalt heath]

that would prolly get votes

[velvet lynx]

is this ok?

[cobalt heath]

yes

[earnest raptor]

I too hate storm weaver

but

lightning orb has a sound cue

[velvet lynx]

yeah but that doesnt tell you anything of where is going to spawn

[earnest raptor]

just saying than orb has a telegraph

just a stupid one

[ionic frigate]

I thought of a cool idea but i need a legit reason beside i thought it'd be cool

Basically buff or make another variant of absolute zero

Post buffed moons

[crude geode]

mfw another generic melee broadsword with projectile

[ionic frigate]

Mfw generic magic tome with projectile

Wtf was that comment lmao

[crude geode]

The difference is that mage doesn’t get 16 weapons a tier

[ionic frigate]

Ah

Yes

That

Understandable

[safe oasis]

post dog already has way too many weapons, on top of melee having way more options than any other class even then

another one isn't really needed

[crude geode]

Indeed

[ionic frigate]

Ig you make sense

[crude geode]

They get to make like 4 different weapons out of cosmilite itself

[ionic frigate]

I just thought it'd be cool like make it a flail weapon

Or a summon weap

Or any really

I'm not making it class locked to 1 class lol

Cus like permafrost loses his usefulness post ml

For a calamity npc

And princess alcohols are useful till scal

[crude geode]

Most NPCs do.

For example, Amidias

[ionic frigate]

Ufff yeah amidias

Maybe add something new post duke boss?

Maybe that's an idea for a big patch

[velvet lynx]

rogue npc still sells good weapons even post ml imo

well, kind of

[earnest raptor]

good

[ionic frigate]

Of

Since she gets new items post yharon

[cobalt pewter]

the last weapon she sells iirc is Celestial Reaper, which is early into Post ML

it was nutso before 1.5 but it got a rebalance, so idk how it goes now

[ionic frigate]

Pre provi

Accs like dragon scale gets added post yharon

[velvet lynx]

i used that weapon and its dps is really good but its surprinsingly bad

for bosses

[cobalt heath]

cp is the best pre provi weapon for rogue

[velvet lynx]

i like lunar kunais more

stealth is really good

[safe oasis]

chris pratt is the best pre provi rogue weapon?

[cobalt heath]

yes

[ionic frigate]

Out of context that text is a nono

[cobalt heath]

celestial is the best cause you dont have to use it in fight that much just lay some off em

[velvet lynx]

ngl the stealth of malachine is amazing, i used it until provi

[cobalt heath]

so you can use weapon like kunai

[velvet lynx]

i wanted the cosmic kunai to be more akin to the lunar kunai

imo its not that good

[gray nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/684412265860169751/823641528747425832/placeholder.gif

[exotic stag]

oh no sad doggo

[gray nebula]

on my way to NOT sprite any vanity items for nohits because i discriminate agaisnt nohitters

[exotic stag]

well.

yeah that explains it

[gray nebula]

calamity is in dire need of more cosmetic stuff but locking it to nohits is kinda :|

[exotic stag]

kinda true.

[grim tusk]

It can just be a boring dye like the now deceased defiled rune

[exotic stag]

y'know i would've said turn defiled rune into a trophy of the fact you beat like.. scal or something in defiled

[grim tusk]

Also thats the way that it would have the least problems. Imagine locking weapons behind noshits

[gray nebula]

yeah but also imagine locking stuff at all

:|

i dont think nohitting should have any extrinsic reward

(the joke is that theres already the discord roles as an extrinsic reward )

[grim tusk]

Delete nohit roles then 🔫

Strange that arma is the only one of the 4 main difficulties (the ones on the indicator) that gives nothing unique

[exotic stag]

bags are unique.

[grim tusk]

You could just pull a dmode and give a single pet

Now that i think about it, imma split the sugg in 2

[distant gyro]

hrrng nohitters

[grim tusk]

Pretty much

[earnest raptor]

people already mad from malice shit

and malice gives actual equipment

not flimsy pet

[exotic stag]

trashbox were you wrong replying or..

[earnest raptor]

also, pets for challenges is too present in mods imho

[exotic stag]

nope

because floors

and also portal gun has a limit

(plus ground is unstable for it)

well if you dig into the abyss your gonna trigger AEW like that..

[earnest raptor]

portal gun portals tend to despawn

otherwise it's perfectly legit for abyss

[grim tusk]

With that portal gun cannon from Cyborg but like, just use fucking teleporters

[earnest raptor]

portal gun cannon is sold by party girl, no?

[grim tusk]

Cyborg iirc

Party girl only sells party stuff

[cobalt pewter]

current arma reward is way more than enough

[exotic stag]

cyborg

[cobalt pewter]

actually now that I think about it

Malice "tiers" can be kinda integrated into arma rewards

[earnest raptor]

oh ok

I am dumb

[cobalt pewter]

so players can get multiple bags off a boss after the first kill, but the moment the player kills a boss on the next tier, the arma bonus is disabled for the initial tier

[grim tusk]

Ok thats big brain

[cobalt pewter]

imma sugg it rq

[exotic stag]

to prevent malice farming i see

[grim tusk]

Although Arma would need some form of rdr if we want to give it challenge drops

Otherwise it would be nuke boss

Like arma 1.0

[cobalt pewter]

I wasn't mentioning anything about challenge

[earnest raptor]

so what

[cobalt pewter]

I was just trying to extract purely the tier system from malice for arma bag bonus check

lemme big brain myself on wiki rq

no

[grim tusk]

Its not a bug, its a feature

[cobalt pewter]

it's """feature""" now

[worthy lintel]

Hoiks have been made a feature in 1.3

[grim tusk]

Actually they fixed it, but shit ton of backlash and they brought it back iirc

[cobalt pewter]

ah my bad, I forgot rdr being a malice exclusive isn't a thing yet

lemme just

fix it felix rq

[distant gyro]

un-abbreviate your titles

[cobalt pewter]

on it

[gray nebula]

what even

dont understand this sugg at all

[distant gyro]

players on their way to

arma farm cryogen after plantera

[gray nebula]

mmfw yes ! add more overbearingly unecessary complicated artificial balance

woo hoo

itsa sandbox game

[earnest raptor]

maybe just make arma reward those fucking 6 bags on first "no-hit" kill instead of first kill overall?

[cobalt pewter]

skill issue iirc ♿

[distant gyro]

yeah but that's unnecessarily more bools for each boss i think

[earnest raptor]

+20 ModWorld fields doesn't sound like a difficult job

tedious one indeed

[distant gyro]

also it's free cleansweep rewards

[earnest raptor]

but would make arma current reward much more accessible

[distant gyro]

get to hardmode

sweep all the bosses and get a ton of bags

then never care about arma again until your next wave

[earnest raptor]

so what

not like this bonus loot is useful at this point

except evil bosses

but evil bosses are dumb

[distant gyro]

people use arma for money gains rather than practical drops