suggestions-discussion

[fossil finch]

TRUE

[hollow shell]

Not a bad idea, Mythical

[tranquil saffron]

Thank you

[ashen warren]

Don’t disagree with it. Should be an option though.

Considering it has the text for being summoned and, if I recall correctly, a roar, then I would consider it viable for a summon.

[hollow shell]

Armored Digger?

[cobalt pewter]

seems like they're referring to Armored Diggers ye

[grim tusk]

@opal smelt update your mod

[opal smelt]

ok

[silver silo]

The chad revengeance mode player

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/532589302375514113/915230053737046026/gigachad.png

[gray nebula]

rev is the best difficulty , you cannot argue

[grim tusk]

[silver silo]

Truly

[cobalt pewter]

"Rework, reworked chilled water"?

[river glen]

yeah malice cal is very unfair

lol

the brothers are fast asf

even with quick on all and i cant even outrun

[crude geode]

This is a very easily solved problem that you can just avoid by digging up and right.

[silver silo]

I have a question, would it be too far fetched to have cal's enchants/exhumes cost ashes of annihilation as well as money, in a sort of minecraft lapis lazuli enchant cost fashion?

[crude geode]

Ok but like

Reasoning is a bit weak on why. It really just forces you to fight the boss again that you’ve already beaten

[silver silo]

uhhh...not if you have ashes you havent used lol

[crude geode]

There’s a reason luminite spawns in planetoids; people really don’t like fighting difficult bosses again

You also haven’t really given a good reason as to why change this

[silver silo]

ashes dont have many uses atm despite being dropped in quantities, exhumed items are post scal tier gear, and the other post scal gear are either chance drops from her, requiring refights (where you’ll get spare ashes with nothing to use them on), or made from shadowspec, which requires ashes anyway (and is post draedon too)

in comparison, exhumed items cost...money and thats about it, right?

no refights required, whereas the others do

unless I'm missing something

[crude geode]

Apologies, didn’t realize the required shadowspec bars for crafting were massively reduced

[hollow shell]

@grim tusk The reason why it's not always active in Death is because it is a trade-off compared to vanilla, where it inflicts Chilled instead of quickly draining breath

[silver silo]

hey rover thoughts on what I’ve mentioned

[hollow shell]

We have plans for that, it won't remain a monetary cost forever
but you could suggest that anyways I guess

[silver silo]

I see fair enough

[cobalt pewter]

I feel like chilled is a better trade off compared to ultrafast breathing time reduction, simply because you can just use some mobility options like hook to negate the chilled effect to some extent

meanwhile there's no way around the faster breath time aside from just, not breath at all (or Gills effect lol)

but this is the mod with game modes that think cave darkness and projectile spam are fun

so /shrug

[distant gyro]

wtf people prefer chilled water over frozen lungs

drowning outside of the abyss is one of the most tragic death causes ever

who actually drowns outside the abyss

[ashen warren]

Faster breath meter loss can be easily circumvented with gills potions or Desert Scourge's expert mode drop.

[distant gyro]

it can be circumvented by getting out of being submerged

meanwhile chilled sticks to your feet 5 seconds after you get out of it

unless the world is drowned and the ice biome is abyss 2 chances are the chilled effect is a bigger thorn

[ashen warren]

You don't have a reliable way to get rid of the chilled debuff until mid-hardmode, at best.

Sure you have warmth potions, but without luiafk, good luck remembering such an ignored potion.

[crude geode]

Also good luck in fishing rods without getting lucky with jungle bullshit or angler quests

[cobalt pewter]

Angler is a dipshit

[crude geode]

Byeah the faster drowning speed can easily be circumvented by just. not drowning yourself

[cobalt pewter]

[dapper coral]

are sticky spike balls a vanilla item? legitimately have no idea

[cobalt pewter]

it's cal

[dapper coral]

oh

assuming it's rogue, i think xyk is working on it™️

[cobalt pewter]

kool

[dapper coral]

let me see

ok theres no posted results so ima just

@pastel crow hi hello have you perchance looked at sticky spikeballs

[grim tusk]

Actually balance suggs are invalid arent they?

[dapper coral]

i dont know if we came to a conclusion on that

[grim tusk]

Nerf Sticky spikeballs
They feel far too powerful for early pre-hm, although they have requirement of needing to smash one shadow orb/crimson heart and defeating a goblin army they are extremely versatile, cheap and powerful options.
For example they can maul the early bosses in mere seconds (KS literally dies in around 5-10 seconds or 2-3 shots, depending in how many balls are landed) without that much dmg investment and even overshadowing stuff that requires bosses to be defeated such as contaminated vile, scourge of the desert and shroomerang, and if we bring examples from other classes Pumpler, Musket, Arkhalis and Water bolt cannot kill stuff as fast as what i mentioned
With armor penetration such as from rotten dog tooth and shark tooth necklace Sticky spike balls just become even more ridiculous.

Gonna move it here and delete it

[dapper coral]

[white sundial]

can we get a recipe for crimson world eye of night staff? seems like it needs vile feeder as the only alternative

[dusty hamlet]

another day, another alternate account after the last one left in shame. now hopefully this suggestion isnt hot garbage dumpster fire

[cobalt pewter]

I'm p sure Flesh of Infidelity is supposed to be Crimson's Eye of Night counterpart

kind of like how Night Ray and Carnage Ray goes

[white sundial]

oh ok i didn't know that

thanks

[cobalt pewter]

np

[hollow shell]

Yeah sure Snith this sugg is fine

I was gonna ask that, again, you mention the Abyss Light Level mechanic
But, it is not a big deal
and I am not sure how it could be included without being clunky, anyway.

Do you think you can squeeze out more reasoning for that Shrine sugg?

Like, why they should look more interesting?

[dusty hamlet]

to make them seem more important and differentiate them more from the jungle shrines

[hollow shell]

yyeah sure

You can mention both of those things

[dusty hamlet]

2 steps ahead of you

[hollow shell]

heh

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message simple enable dmode for darkness
Or not use many lights or smth
Abyss is extremely dark in dmode

[hollow shell]

Oh god do Abyss and Underground darknesses stack? I've never thought about that for some reason

[grim tusk]

When i have played rev it does feel brighter

On dmode its slighly darker for t1-3

T4 is just dark unless you bring some big light accs (which you’ll have when you can actually survive in t4 abyss)

I did enter t4 abyss once in pre-hm, very dark indeed

[dusty hamlet]

t4 wsas a boring movie

nevermind, i read the room wrong

[glossy stone]

I don't really know tbh

Guess I'll just delete it

I really should stop thinking that Brimflame is post-Brimmy ><

[hollow shell]

aight

It is an understandable correlation

But, yeah it's always taken Ashes of Calamity in its recipe

[glossy stone]

I know but I keep forgetting that, just because it uses Charred Ore makes me think it's just post-Brimmy :/

[hollow shell]

m

[spark pulsar]

I’ve always considered it to be brimmy armor, never really thought about it being calclone armor

[hollow shell]

(I would enjoy more armor sets in the mod, in general)
(If I get my way then Charred Ore actually will get an on-tier armor set)

((Or rather, if me from like 3 years ago gets their way))

[small timber]

Death Mode makes light level 25% weaker in the abyss so it is basically 25% darker

but not exactly "underground darkness suddenly exist in the abyss" kind of level

[silver silo]

To add to that shrine sugg it would be nice if the desert shrine wasn’t just made out of fossils lol

Looks a bit strange and it’s like if the shrine was made out of ore

Also steampunk and glass chests for desert and snow? Why? 🤨

[glossy stone]

Because the color matches ig ?

[silver silo]

Ehh there’s already two types of ice/snow chest

If this was journeys end I’d mention the desert chest but

Sugg posting absolutely packed huh

[novel belfry]

yeah

[hollow shell]

@novel belfry Can you think of anything else to put in your reason

Maybe a comparison to the Dungeon biome chests?

[small timber]

there is coding problem associating with how ammo is used with guns so likely not happening

@steel helm I believe suggesting to basically revert changes is a don't (although I personally agree that the new void can feel clunky), just personally I think you can suggest instead that make Ceaseless Void have a more static positioning or use teleportation for its movement so that the balls do not move around like a mess

[eternal escarp]

it is indeed a dont

[hollow shell]

I do think you would get more mileage out of suggesting improvements to the current fight

[steel helm]

I mean

[hollow shell]

rather than telling the devs to revert entirely

[steel helm]

What do i tell them about the attack that is clunky to avoid?

Void has always been chaotic

[eternal escarp]

personally i like everything new from CV other then that slight inconvenience where if a fly a bit then stand on a platform im his "BH" phases i run out of flight time and bssically cant jump

[frail mantle]

Explain why it’s clunky

[small timber]

basically the summary is "you move around, void move around with you and the balls too so basically you dodge but still get hit"

[steel helm]

Void having control is wrong its supposed to bombard you with attacks and not have stagnant orbitals that move in weird patterns is my personal take on void

[eternal escarp]

why is it supposed to bombard you with attacks?

[small timber]

the orbitals is fine, the main problem is that for some reason ceaseless void move with you so it become undodgeable

[steel helm]

chaos

[eternal escarp]

he moves on a timer and theres quite a bit of ways to dodge it, in my eyes

[small timber]

but he also follows your position, so after you dodge he readjust his position (and his balls too) so you just get hit

[steel helm]

I prefered the chaotic nature of the old void. The energies chasing you down whilst dealing with the void leaving out attacks was fantastic in my opinon

[small timber]

I believe the problem with old void is that you need a large arena to fight it but the new void not so much, though the weird movement is a problem

[steel helm]

to not only get rid of this ideal but give him orbitals that move very wonky on a timer with a moving entity feels wrong

[steel helm]

I mean don't you need a large arena for polter?

Who is also fought in the dungeon

[small timber]

the new void? definitely not as large, old void feels unplayable without a large arena

[steel helm]

why not have a large one for both so you get that out of the way

[small timber]

problem with arena in dungeon is that often times dungeon biome get bricked, not sure if they fixed void biome enrage yet

[steel helm]

I mean in that case then make one unsafe walls exist for a reason

[eternal escarp]

not really

its usually better to have less big arenas for polter because of his block enrage

[steel helm]

whatever thats getting a bit offtopic

I know i probably won't get listened to but i think the orbitals atleast need a change

[small timber]

ya, but to put it simply your suggestion right now is out right a don't (reverting changes), so probably suggest how the fight can be improved instead

[eternal escarp]

^

[small timber]

from personal experience the main problem with the orbital is just the weird "following your position" movement of ceaseless void itself, so probably can focus on that front since other aspects (like blackhole phase) is fine

[cobalt pewter]

old cv is fucking unfun, but I haven't tried the new one

[sand umbra]

new Ceaseless is a blast imo

[cobalt pewter]

uhhhhh

@umbral solstice seems overly specific, and I don't think suggs can dictate what references to be put into the mod

so uhhh

2 don'ts, I think

[umbral solstice]

I think im the only one who knows what a Cave Story is anyway

Well, there goes my dream-

I thought it was nice since you've got the hat in the game and a remix from dokuro

It could've been a cool little thingy

[cobalt pewter]

@feral ruin you can manipulate NPC spawn rate and whether they'll spawn at night in configs

it affects Old Man too

if i remember correctly, because that was the experience I had

[feral ruin]

that seems more like a workaround than an actual solution though

since it affects more than just the skeletron summoning part of gameplay

[silver silo]

Spawn item iban seething

[cobalt pewter]

well if the workaround exists and it actually helps towards the issue, why not? but if you really want to hear a potential solution, perhaps just making Old Man respawn everytime with a new line added whenever the player talks to him right after that would work

/shrug

[feral ruin]

dont get me wrong im going to use it in my current malice playthrough, it just shouldnt be the players only solution to have to change configs

[cobalt pewter]

also you're probably expected to abuse something like that for Malice, considering it's a fairly unfair mode

and not entirely designed for a playthrough

cope or something idk, ask Fab

[cobalt pewter]

okay I said unfair, but if I understand correctly Malice exos is literally impossible on tier

[silver silo]

Cope + seethe + mald + skill issue

[glossy stone]

B-but I like Cave Story too.

[glossy stone]

Yeah summon lock-on is pretty weird

Making it more visible would certainly be a good a start

[pastel terrace]

hell yeah

[fossil finch]

Is that thing in posting a revert a boss rework sugg

🤨

[pastel terrace]

which?

[fossil finch]

Scroll up in posting

[pastel terrace]

oh yeah it is

[cobalt pewter]

Summon targeting was reworked in 1.4 vanilla, it's definitely more visible now

[pastel terrace]

oh? what is it now?

[frail mantle]

an actual sprite instead of just dust

[glossy stone]

^

Small but much more visible marker on the target.

[modest cobalt]

How about making the projectiles from the daedalus staff's golems being unable the queen bee spawner

I literally got ganged by 2 bosses cuz the projectiles go forever and is able to break bee hive

[fossil finch]

Qb spawner is (or at least should) already invulnerable to all projectiles and can only be broken with a pickaxe in calamity

[modest cobalt]

yeah that sounds good

[fossil finch]

I've heard mod conflicts can cause qb to spawn randomly like that

[modest cobalt]

the crystal golems shoot projectiles that can go for like 300m long

so it xrayed jungle while I was in the brimstone biome

[fossil finch]

Are you sure it is fault of those

[modest cobalt]

yeah im pretty sure

[fossil finch]

Can you record them breaking a larva while you're actually seeing the larva

[modest cobalt]

i despawned it and queen bee never spawned anymore

I couldn't record unfortunately

don't nerf the golem's projectile distance tho

cause the golems have a hard time following you around

yup this is 2 secs after reaching the underworld below jungle

[fossil finch]

Again i want you to see the larvae breaking

Going to ug and having two qbs spawn may be some mod conflict

[small timber]

Isnt the easiest way is to go god mode, set a super dummy, let the projectile fire and then try to keep up with it (using end game gear) to see if it travels infinite distance?

[fossil finch]

That doesn't matter

What we want to know is if it actually is breaking larvas or if the qb are spawned because of smt else (like a bug)

[eternal escarp]

the issue here is that the larvae actually breaks rather then the reach of the lightning

yeah

[small timber]

ya if 1 Qb I can see happening by chance, two at the sametime just seems too coincidental

[fossil finch]

• there have been a lof of qb spawning issues with other mods in the past so it can be the same here

[modest cobalt]

the thing is that I'm always fine if I am not around the jungle

[fossil finch]

Still may be a bug that triggers when you're around the jungle

[modest cobalt]

lemme jump into a frsh jungle real quick

I tried, and it did break the larvae

the golem's projectiles does break it

[fossil finch]

Then ok

[slender ferry]

make a another copper shortsword but not its an unobtainable item

Does 53572897 dps

[fossil finch]

Then the wiki is wrong or your game is bugged what does that have to do with this channel

[cobalt pewter]

it's probably better for #bugs-read-pins i think yea

if it's confirmed to be a wiki issue, you can edit it yourself or go to #wiki-discussion

[eternal escarp]

that makes no sense

[fossil finch]

Oh you meant it was listed as 10 silver in the game
Well that's a bug

So, still

[eternal escarp]

oh wait i

understand now i think

ye still goes to #bugs-read-pins regardless

[exotic stag]

[fossil finch]

too much effort sugg+already happening (Maybe)

[grim tusk]

@novel belfry expand on your reasoning

@stray jetty considering how spagheti code accs slots are that would prob get into high effort

@left patio pretty sure rev+ crab can jump pretty high, either dont cheese or increase difficulty. Its an early boss so having a way to cheese it (unless dmode) is not that problematic

@clever flume that is very high effort

[nocturne yew]

its just

[left patio]

the thing is that i kinda cheesed it accidentally and for some reason it didnt jump the whole fight (revengance mode)

[nocturne yew]

I just cheesed crab

[grim tusk]

Well just dont do that again (also see if you can get away with that on death)

[worthy lintel]

Yea you need to elaborate on cheese

Besides, it's an early game grounded boss that can't teleport so he will always get the short end of the stick

[left patio]

true

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message @worthy lintel this is an ❗

[eternal escarp]

who the fuck would ever fight the snow legion

theres litterally no point lmao unless you want the Santa deco items

[cobalt pewter]

Cal had gone past the limit of vanilla reworks, I feel like doing something to Frost Legion would be significantly better

but for now there's no reason to make Snow Globe obtainable normally ye

[small timber]

I mean, just think about it, as a dev, would you bother to make frost legion useful?

[eternal escarp]

afaik theres only 1 mod that adds to the legion being Fargo Souls in the form of a singular accesory

[safe oasis]

not even an accessory, it’s a food item that does something while it’s in your inv

[eternal escarp]

so i think the answer is obvious

[small timber]

I mean fargo is basically "wikipedia every single word in Terraria and insert a accessory in all of them"

[eternal escarp]

byeah snow legions entire purpose is just

snowblock farming

[half sage]

thorium adds a bard weapon and like one other thing iirc

actually nvm it adds 4 other things, a ranged weapon, a thrower weapon, a melee weapon and a summon weapon

[last ledge]

which is why I mentioned that calamity doesn't do anything with it currently, could even be as simple as some unique weapons to it, but that's beyond the scope of the suggestion I made

[torn crown]

Post-DoG frost legion

😳

[half sage]

[gray nebula]

remove post dog buffed frost and pumpkin moon..... imo

[small timber]

1. it is a season limited event
2. it is mostly forgotten
3. there is no need to insert progression gears for an event that no most people do not even bother

[torn crown]

[small timber]

I mean it seems pretty reasonable why calamity havent done anything with it yet

[half sage]

snow legion is so forgotten that even relogic forgot about it

[last ledge]

calamity hasn't done anything with it because it's stuck as a very limited time thing

[torn crown]

What if we made snow legion a precursor to summoning cryogen

[gray nebula]

also cuz it sucks and there's nothing there in general

[torn crown]

(the castle is heavily guarded by snowmen)

[small timber]

it have moving snowmans

[gray nebula]

already have cooler ideas for fresh cryogen summoning methods

[torn crown]

[small timber]

does it involves santa

[gray nebula]

no

[safe oasis]

will there be a door for the key

[gray nebula]

yes

[safe oasis]

thank you, no further questions

[gray nebula]

🤝

[distant gyro]

santa delivers a pipe bomb and it turns into cryogen

(also, fr*st legion)

[gray nebula]

[cobalt pewter]

honestly it could be better if the seasonal moon and solar eclipse content be pushed away and bundled into an unique event

probably

[gray nebula]

[cobalt pewter]

something like a glitched event where more grotesque versions of these events keep rotating throughout a set time

idk

[gray nebula]

haha it would be funny for sure haha haha , haha , haha

😳

[cobalt pewter]

but the details ain't the point

[half sage]

[gray nebula]

not a weird mishmash tho

[fossil finch]

TRUE

[cobalt pewter]

floosh

[gray nebula]

but im not gonna elaborate further

[small timber]

just have the sun and moon appear at the sametime nothing eldritch at all

[gray nebula]

solar ecl;

ipse

[cobalt pewter]

yeah that's like

solar eclipse

wtf

[safe oasis]

lunar eclipse tbh

[cobalt pewter]

perhaps

[hollow shell]

@small timber You should acknowledge the music change

[small timber]

ya forget to address that, my original idea actually come from the fact that only music change without other indication

it is like "why does epic music suddenly appear out of nowhere"

[hollow shell]

Also the status message still exists doesn't it?

"The air is getting warmer around you"

That, along with the change in music and Yharon going invincible, should definitely indicate that some kind of fight event is occurring

[small timber]

although I am definitely bias, I dont usually look at message before fight is over

the suggestion is mostly that going invincible by itself is not a good indication (confusing even), and I don't think music change should be the only indication for it

preferably something visible and immediately obvious to the player that "something is happening" rather than only a change of music, as these changes will only add to the impact of the music

[hollow shell]

Well it's not the only indication, there is also a status message

[cobalt pewter]

yeah, there's the message and the music change as well as invul

[hollow shell]

Also when has a change in music ever indicated anything that is not a new phase?

[cobalt pewter]

though a bit unrelated to the sugg, I feel like Yharon's bg shader can be a bit less bright

i haven't seen him rn, but if it's unchanged, the shader can be a bit bright for me

even on low brightness

[small timber]

hmm, felt like I could had put out a better argument, but ya I guess from the perspective of people who fought Yharon it is dead obvious

[hollow shell]

(Granted, I don't know for sure how a new player would interpret it)

[small timber]

I guess my argument is just to put in comparison, imagine if DoG transition, the music change, but DoG don't get into a portal and dont change into a new look

that will be a comparison of how it may feel

[light citrus]

I think malice mode brimstone elemental needs a buff, it just seems like a death mode brimstone elemental with faster attacks that are easily avoidable with a big arena, it just makes it seem weak

[hollow shell]

Sure I spose you can suggest that

btw @stray jetty I'm going to need to ask you to elaborate on your suggestion
What does "locking" an accessory slot entail? Can't you already hotswap accessories with ones in the adjacent vanity slot?

Also Feed I think your suggestion could probably be worded in a clearer way

What is an example of a "progression limitation"?

[cobalt pewter]

what would be the better way to convey the idea?

[cobalt pewter]

uhh, boss kills? I think that's the major one

[hollow shell]

Which bosses have that limitation?

[cobalt pewter]

...I can't remember, but Scal did have one

so I'm not sure about now

[hollow shell]

Wait like the
"you must have killed at least one single boss in the world" thing?

[cobalt pewter]

yeah, I can't remember if there are any other bosses who needs a specific bosses to be killed now

if not, I can just reword the sugg

[hollow shell]

Nnnno, I do not think we have hard-locks like that anymore
or if they exist like the one I mentioned they would never be encountered by the casual player (and there isn't much reason for them to exist in the first place, so they could be bypassed by Malice anyway)

All the boss "limitations" like that would be done organically

like

You have literally no way of spawning SCal without killing Calamitas first
Not because the Altar doesn't work if Cal isn't dead, but because you need an item that drops from Cal in order to even use the Altar

[cobalt pewter]

so just "hard limitations" would be good to cover it?

(which is the biome and time thingys)

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[cobalt pewter]

alright a sec

[hollow shell]

And you don't need to mention ones related to progression

[cobalt pewter]

okok

[radiant meadow]

this was removed in 1.5

[hollow shell]

Okay makes sense

[radiant meadow]

and it was done based off of some ancient rev mechanic anyways

which is no longer a thing

[hollow shell]

aight this is better Feed

[cobalt pewter]

[small timber]

now that I think about it what will even be a boss that is "difficulty to rematch"? the only two I can reasonably think of is skeletron and wall of flesh

unless you count duke and old duke because summon is consumable

[cobalt pewter]

Malice is unfair.

[small timber]

oh levi

[half sage]

duke and old duke aren't that bad to rematch because once you kill them once you can buy the worms

[small timber]

no I mean difficult to "refight" the boss, since most summon are already unlimited

ya that makes at least three, so no argument there, forgot some bosses actually is still rather limited in summoning

[fossil finch]

boy what a helpful sugg

i am so sure they have never thought of this before

[dapper coral]

dont see why you have to be passive agressive about it tbh

[sleek turret]

Good sugg imo

[gray nebula]

remove

[grim tusk]

Another thing that i didnt mention but would not matter if added is that dmode blood moons despite being annoying for newer players are just free blood orbs

[last mirage]

They need to re-add the purchasable boss spawners

[half sage]

why

boss spawners are non consumable now

only titan hearts, worms, voodoo dolls, ashes of calamity, and vanilla power cells are consumable now

and you can purchase both worm types

[last mirage]

Thats sounds really nice

But idc

It takes so long just to craft one

And then on top of that if you lose it you have to craft it again

[ancient mirage]

how did you lose one

[spark pulsar]

How are you losing boss summons enough for it to become an issue?

[half sage]

then don't lose it

[fossil finch]

how the fuck do you lose an item in terraria

also the purchasable boss spawners only exist post said boss

so you'd have to craft one anyways

[ashen warren]

Use an Item from full inventory and die

[distant gyro]

favoriting items is a good habit to get into

[exotic stag]

why would you have a full inventory.. and if you do just use piggy bank

[brisk bramble]

Mediumcore

[fossil finch]

Nice point
One small issue
Who the fuck plays mediumcore ever

[crude geode]

Man I love incredibly subjective suggestions like revert changes to a boss

[dapper coral]

last i checked, subjective opinions were not banned from suggestions

if you dont like it then dont vote for it

[tribal cedar]

[gray nebula]

nice suggestion. would be a shame if the star count didn't get lowered because said suggestion didn't get to the required star amount though

[exotic ibex]

[deft yew]

talk about self-defeating

[gray nebula]

fr tho i think we are aware of the issue but i am not the person that manages suggestion so i dont rly know

(rover is here tho

[exotic ibex]

I mean it's just stupid
this obvious suggestion can't get a check because of the amount of needed Stars

and it's only one example

[hollow shell]

Yeah alright I can do the thing later today
The temporary star count lowering until further notice

[exotic ibex]

at least

[hollow shell]

It's a good thing I sent the star tally Excel file to the dev server before break

[tribal cedar]

It could be the best suggestion ever heard and this community will just not star it

calamity community moment

[exotic ibex]

so epic

[river glen]

yeah suggestions just get flooded away

its hard to reach 270

[grim tusk]

Ever since 1.5 came out

[obtuse flame]

defence damage sucks

[fossil finch]

cringe opinion

this would get hilariously spammy very soon

couldn't it be done with battle text that still has a very easy to see color

[grim tusk]

this is how boring dmode bloodmoon is

did you ask cooper for permision?

its a dev item

[ashen warren]

Ah.

I did not. I'll delete the suggestion.

[grim tusk]

dont

just ping cooper

oh you deleted it

[torn crown]

[ashen warren]

It's okay. If it can be remedied easily, I'll ask and then repost.

[ashen warren]

What is Cooper's username?

[deft yew]

Cooper

:hdflr:

[ashen warren]

I cant find Cooper through the @ list thingy.

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell whats Coopers user?

[hollow shell]

122895821028065283 is his ID

Cooper#1745

[ashen warren]

@royal spear

Mind if I post a suggestion about your dev weapon?

[royal spear]

Ye

I mean, no

I don't mind

You can post it, lol

[ashen warren]

Awesome! Thanks!

[deft yew]

that happens in my family sometimes

[ashen warren]

It's no major overhaul. Just a little edition I'd like.

[deft yew]

anyway does mine look alr

[hollow shell]

Eh

Both Amidias and the Truffle need more incentive for people to look at their shops

[deft yew]

ok that is true

[hollow shell]

I would hardly say Amidias's shop is bloated either

It's just one weapon set and...

potions

and then boss summons

[deft yew]

half of which were removed in 1.5 bc non consumable

yeah all this is fair, lemme look at it again

[hollow shell]

As for thematics, it's really a toss-up between Truffle and Amidias

Because Truffle of course has the mushroom connection and even shares the name

but Amidias and Duke have a lore connection, the reason why Duke is denoted with a royal moniker

[ashen warren]

Tbf I forgot Amidias existed for a good part of my summoner playthrough.

[deft yew]

essentially i pay him once for gimmicky weapons and then house him above the abyss for his blessing

forgetting about him the entire game

[ashen warren]

I don't have the attention span to type out a suggestion, but I would like to see Amidias having some sort of upgrades to his gear later in the game. Like with the Tavernkeep.

[deft yew]

that does sound cool but probably too much coding effort

fab has said he's just too tired of creating items at this point

[hollow shell]

(give him time, it's post-1.5 burn-out)

[royal spear]

Oh yeah, I actually like that suggestion

ooh

what if

[hollow shell]

Not sure about this Endogenesis sugg, personally
The modes are on a fixed cycle and each one has a unique behavior that should be apparent within the first few seconds of using it

also chat flood

[royal spear]

Different buff icons for each mode

[hollow shell]

That is an option

though
potentially lost in the buff bar

There's also the option of making text pop up in the air like DoG does now
though I suppose that could also be lost in the "heat of battle"

[deft yew]

that could start shifting your buff icons around everywhere

[ashen warren]

Maybe a toggle-able thing in the mod options?

[deft yew]

heck you could give endo itself some kind of cosmetic effect for it

[hollow shell]

The endo cooper just shouts "Flamethrower!!" "Laser!!"

[safe oasis]

i'd argue that cyan isn't really a good choice since it could blend in more if daytime

[deft yew]

actually i just thought of something

could have a sound effect that resembles whatever weapon it's using

like when you swap to frostthrower it plays flame noises

[hollow shell]

We could give them unique buff icons, text that pops up in the air, and unique sounds for each mode

I just don't want the chat to be flooded

[deft yew]

[royal spear]

Gh yes

all three

[ashen warren]

Y'know what else would be cool?
A menu thingy that shows up when you right click, and you can choose which mode to change to, kinda like the Flamsteed Ring.

[hollow shell]

Oh yeah that is a thing that exists, isn't it

[ashen warren]

It do exist.

[hollow shell]

Dunno how much pain it'd be to do UI stuff again but it might not be too bad cuz we already have a working example?

[ashen warren]

True. Just make 4 panels instead of 3. If you've been a part of the mod team for a while, you'd have the experience, I'd imagine.

And even then, you don't have to be the guy to do the UI if you don't wanna.

[thick river]

I feel like a changing sound effect would also just be lost in all the noises of battle

[ashen warren]

True.

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's why we'd do all of the possibilities at once

[ashen warren]

It would interfere with noise cues too.

[thick river]

I think the mods can decide whatever would be easiest; IMO it just saying things would both be funny and pretty effective

[ashen warren]

True. It's actually quite common with programmers to converse like this. Helpful too.

After all, programming is a group project.

[hollow shell]

I'm not a programmer

[deft yew]

sound design better anyway

new rage burning SFX

[fossil finch]

But unique epic theming!1!!!!1!1!1!!1!

[worthy lintel]

I do have to admit the unique crafting stations are a little

and a bit redundant overall, I agree they should be restricted to thematic crafts

[fossil finch]

But they are thematic,,,

[worthy lintel]

anyways rant done, your sugg seems to respect the format

I'll still wait for Rover's diagnosis

[novel belfry]

Quick question: is there plans to add challenge items to every boss?

Because I'm seriously considering creating a suggestion to ask for that

[cobalt pewter]

it'll eventually happen or whatever

[thick river]

idk if they know every item each boss will get, but i'd be surprised if they were going to leave things out

[gray nebula]

i hope theres not challenge items for every boss given the rep they already have

[cobalt pewter]

at least Legendary ones were planned for every boss

[silver silo]

calamity fans: we dont like challenge items

also calamity fans: give us more challenge items

[cobalt pewter]

unless that's a deprecated plan

[novel belfry]

i just want challenge items to be worth killing malice bosses

[small timber]

wait a minute I just notice, isnt the Counter/Evasion Scarf provide Cold Prot Suggestion that is getting very close to 270 literally get rejected before?

on like 3/7/2021 a same suggestion that reach star count get rejected

[crude geode]

A. That was before counter was a challenge drop
B. That’s before the current blue check cut off date (may 1st compared to the suggestion posted on March 7th)

[small timber]

oh ok I mistook it as 3rd July

[weary kestrel]

Is there any reason why arms dealer sells some guns (shotgun, sniper rifle etc.) but not the uzi? I've been farming hundreds of angry trappers but it hasn't dropped, and I've 5 jungle keys now. Is this intended or did you guys forget about the uzi? If the latter I'd like to suggest adding that to his inventory, since the grind actually feels worse than grinding for the others

Either that, or this game legitimately hates me and wants to see me suffer horribly. I mean if you hate me that much just corrupt my main characters and worlds

[dapper coral]

that got brought up a couple days ago in dev actually

i think it will happen

not published yet ofc but i think in one of the upcoming minor updates it could happen

[weary kestrel]

Ah! That makes me happy. Genuinely getting mad at this point so I'll grind for some other weapon, so I don't lose my mind

[dapper coral]

understandable

[ruby plover]

I feel like wulfrum enemies dying in water would trivialise them too much

Like obviously they are not difficult early game enemies, but still something you should have to fight on your first few days to get past them, and not something that might just accidentally kill itself offscreen before you come across it

I like the suggestion idea though.

[silver silo]

john wulfrum™️ built them to be waterproof

[swift wharf]

Also, realism for the sake of realism is pretty ech

[eternal escarp]

also, some robots can be waterproof

[eternal escarp]

oh it was said lo

[torn crown]

buff wulfrum drones in exchange to encourage players to seek underwater

[eternal escarp]

byeah @regal mango

you should note that

just saying "because itd make sense" isnt a good reason

[regal mango]

oh ok

[cobalt pewter]

here's a knocker: Gravitation Potions exist.

Nothing is realistic in Terraria

[swift wharf]

It's a mixture of oil and water, it makes sense

[fossil finch]

Bottom text

[cobalt pewter]

404

@zenith bay

• follow the format done by other suggestions above
• why

[eternal escarp]

whats bad about the endgame ammo?

[zenith bay]

There isn't

[eternal escarp]

godslayer, bloodstone and the converting weapons do well on their own

you should explain why the already existing ammos are "bad"

[zenith bay]

Not bad in general just for the endgame

[eternal escarp]

then agian

why is it bad for endgame?

assuming you mean Drae / SCal tier

because Boss Rush isnt fully tested yet so lol

[cobalt pewter]

I said why because the sugg lacks reason

lo

(at least when I pinged)

[eternal escarp]

i mean regardless

godslayer ammos work great for SCal and draedons mechs

and bloodflare could likely be great too

i dont think theres any real need for more ammunition

[eternal escarp]

@finite relic they dont teleport

sounds like your lagging / some AI issues that fit more in #bugs-read-pins

[cobalt pewter]

the shrines acc could be better in general yes

[gray nebula]

don't suggest upgrades suggest to give them different functions that are general enough to work at any stage of the game

[cobalt pewter]

the chi thing can be a stealth rogue thingy, since the one from shroom is like

a true melee thing

y

I can't remember other shrine items

[deft yew]

honestly i think trinket of chi should be stealth anyway

in its current state it's horrible

[safe oasis]

that would make it class-specific, unlike every other relic which is all class

[cobalt pewter]

Fungal Symbiote.

or I think the name goes

i can't remember

[safe oasis]

fungal symbiote is a figment of imagination

[cobalt pewter]

(so it exists, because I never wake up from dreaming)

[eternal escarp]

gladiators locket scales and feels summoner basically

unstable prism is pretty good for pretty much all classes iirc

onyx excavator is a mount

and then theres luxors gift.

[small timber]

I mean the only way to make them useful without giving it the old legendary scaling is literally just stats

[deft yew]

make luxor's ranger because ranger has nothing anyway

[eternal escarp]

without giving it the old legendary scaling
funny but unless removed in 1.5

gladiators locket does this iirc

[half sage]

gladiator locket scaling was removed

[small timber]

wait i thought they removed it

ya

[half sage]

Rebalanced Gladiator's Locket, sword spirit minion immunity frames no longer scale with progression and now always grant 10 local immunity frames. Sword spirit base damage and rotation speed no longer scale with progression. Increased base damage from 20 to 30.

[eternal escarp]

then i missed it, i stand corrected

[small timber]

seeing these changes I assume the dev's intention for shrine items are literally that they are pre-hardmode accs

exception is onyx mount

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[small timber]

I think they just don't want the possibility of an item "you can get from the start of the game right away" to be used until post-scal

since shrine items are kind of weird, they are like dungeon biome chest item, just only pre-hardmode

[exotic stag]

tbf the shrine items have some niche uses that can make them go from phm to hardmode. but thats if your trying to go for that (and usually only work on multiplayer)

and upgrades to them is just balancing hell for that niche uses

[cobalt pewter]

Unstable Prism is a good all class thing (except summoner because no crits lo)

meanwhile the Glad Locket def feels like summoner yea

honestly I'd rather see them revamp Shrine buildings and give them pointers like Draedon Labs

if they want to keep the shrines phm for the most part

I'm usually on the party of having diversity on runs by limiting content (through evil biome choice), but shrines are something you can theoretically reach in a world, it's just that they're obscure as shit to get

at that point just give us something to find them easier

[deft yew]

draft time

Add an alternative way to get pumpkins

The addition of Spooky Wood to the Necroplasmic Beacon recipe makes it incredibly annoying to make if you haven't dealt with the Pumpkin Moon already. You just have to wait for your pumpkins to grow before you can fight Polterghast. The two have almost no connection at all and it is quite strange.

yeah it's not great i know i need to mess with it

[small timber]

I mean... we are talking about providing an alternative way to obtain a pre-hardmode, infinite resource that player literally can just plant

[cobalt pewter]

idk, I don't think growing Pumpkins have been a big issue to me, probably be patient a bit?

[deft yew]

fair

[cobalt pewter]

yeah it's practically infinite as long as you get to kill a boss

[deft yew]

it doesn't help that i'm a rogue so i don't really think about it until i actually need pumpkins for something

[small timber]

I have a feeling any alternative method will probably be way more time wasting than planting it

[deft yew]

true

...or why not just remove the spooky wood from the necroplasmic beacon

[small timber]

spooky wood for spooky beacon I guess

it was 100 phantoplasm

[deft yew]

the tooltip saying "It's spooky" is a really stupid reason imo

[cobalt pewter]

or, this could be a solution to other event summon items too, but perhaps make them able to be upgraded to non-consumable versions like Caustic Tear?

[deft yew]

ok that sounds great

[small timber]

just that generally you don't have to do them too much, can see it happening, but argument need to be strong

[deft yew]

lemme try drafting that idea instead

[small timber]

you do it post-plantera and post-DoG, post-DoG you definitely strong enough to zerg so you are done in like 1-2 for each event

[grim tusk]

Here i go pinging again

@zenith bay god slayer slugs got added recently

[deft yew]

just had a thought again

why not straight up change the recipe of the pumpkin moon medallion

[grim tusk]

@finite relic thats a known mp bug

[deft yew]

and have a non-consumable variant later just like the caustic tear logic

[small timber]

ya that makes much more sense, since currently that is literally how boss summon works

[deft yew]

so should i say something like

"change pumpkin moon medallion and naughty present to follow the logic of caustic tear"

something like that

[small timber]

something something "pumpkin and frost moon need to be done multiple times ... hardmode for weapons .. post-DoG for energies... something something, probably

[deft yew]

wait someone already got a sugg into voting about making ALL event summons non consumable

but it was from a while ago and didn't address the pumpkin/frost issue

[small timber]

oh ok, that completely got drowned for me

[deft yew]

how about i just let this sit in my mind for today

[small timber]

I mean isnt the limitation of posting "similar suggestion" like 1 week? so you technically can post it

if you want to

[deft yew]

ima just think about it while i wait for my stupid pumpkins to grow so i can fight polter

[small timber]

"suggestion: we need to add fertilizer to Terraria"

[deft yew]

imagine tho

that's actually a thought because it would alleviate so many problems at once

[grim tusk]

Iirc it could be but thats more for another mod

[cobalt pewter]

a fertilizer item would be a big help to actually encourage botany in terraria

[small timber]

technically it is useful, not sure how they will code it though

[deft yew]

i only got irritated to begin with because i have to grow pumpkins to fight polterghast

that makes no sense

[small timber]

because it can also be use for herbs

[deft yew]

you could just need more on herbs

[grim tusk]

What

[deft yew]

spooky wood was added to the necroplasmic beacon recipe

and i'm just like

[grim tusk]

[deft yew]

the issue is we can't work out what logic to put behind it

at this point i think the sole reason they did this was the beacon's tooltip: "It's spooky"

[small timber]

"yo 100 phantoplasm is too much for beacon, we need to reduce it to 50 but it will make it too easy to get, what do we replace it with? I don't know, spooky wood because it is spooky?" I think that is the extend of it

[cobalt pewter]

you can always sugg to give an alternative to the spooky wood

[ionic frigate]

This

Sure it'll be rarely used

But it's a useful item

[dapper coral]

do you want me to just. ask why it was added

[cobalt pewter]

hell just using Dungeon Bricks or HELL, Bone, would work much better

[deft yew]

we must figure out what that alternative would be

[deft yew]

YES!

[dapper coral]

ok brb

[cobalt pewter]

the former since you've been clanking off dungeon bricks anyways while making the arena

[deft yew]

thanks for existing

[cobalt pewter]

and the latter because spooky scary Skeletons

[deft yew]

bone would be a great way to do it, yes

[cobalt pewter]

can't wait for the reasoning to be "hehe spooky"

[dapper coral]

bon

[cobalt pewter]

demik has re appear

[ionic frigate]

Imagine the reason is a 3 paragraph essay

[deft yew]

[drowsy plank]

yes hello this was my suggestion i will take literally any feedback to try and make it appeal to more people cause i have no idea why it suddenly just decided to die with 160 stars cause nearly everyone seems to agree it would be a good change

[dapper coral]

i am here today

[cobalt pewter]

you're probably suggesting in the high tides of suggestions flood

[small timber]

nah I dont think it have anything to do with the argument, just get drowned

[cobalt pewter]

so it gets less stars because more people suggesting around update week

[drowsy plank]

i suppose lol
guess ill just repost it later

figured

[deft yew]

makes sense

[cobalt pewter]

you can probably repost later

[deft yew]

wait i thought repost was disallowed

[cobalt pewter]

if it hasn't reached the star req, you can repost it at least 1 week apart

[deft yew]

ah

[cobalt pewter]

can't remember the details if the sugg passed the req tho

[deft yew]

uhh

...have we found the reason yet

[dapper coral]

give it time

devs are busy people

[deft yew]

alr

[dapper coral]

(also it's early,.,.,..,)

[small timber]

I have a feeling it is literally that it is spooky

because it was halloween season

[zenith bay]

I didn't know i'll check it out

[fossil finch]

Nah it's spooky so you play the game mor

[eternal escarp]

judging by how the consumable Profaned Cores were removed in favor of the non consumable one only, i dont see this happening hdfailure

[dapper coral]

also while we wait i am curious to know why yall dont like spooky wood

[eternal escarp]

i personally have no issue with it but it seems to just be

adding another step that requires getting something from very early in the game that isnt connected the the boss

being pumpkins ---------> medallion -> spooky wood ----------------------> necroplasmic beacon

intensity of lines to show the gap in progression ig

also, demik

while you are here:

#suggestions-posting message this sugg is basically a "itd make sense", they were pinged but afaik didnt respond or edit

#suggestions-posting message and this is just a bug but idk if it means its worth an Exclamation

[dapper coral]

bam

[eternal escarp]

👍

[dapper coral]

exclam'd

byeah

ig that makes sense as a reason

disliking spooky wood, i mean

[eternal escarp]

~~ive never had an issue with it because i play with Fargo's Mutant and keep halloween event on ~~

byeah, i dont see the idea of "first craft its consumable but it can be upgraded" because it seems like this was attempted to be avoided

for the removal of the same idea for the Profaned Cores

and the fact all other boss summons are infinite

the only example of this nowadays seems to be the Caustic Tear

[fossil finch]

and it at least is not an instant upgrade

(Afaik permanent tear requires t2 material

[grim tusk]

Why do people like making themselves weaker

[worthy lintel]

Your argument is valid but why would players enjoy snail speed

Look at the amount of players with LuiAFK

[dapper coral]

if i had to hazard a guess i would assume that some people feel like it's cheating to have autoswing or fast movement speed from the beginning

[worthy lintel]

(Nothing wrong with your sugg but don't expect a lot of support)

[grim tusk]

And exo mechs and malice as a whole were literally balanced with quick in mind from what i can guess (they feel thougher without some quick mods)

[hollow shell]

@indigo hazel It would help if you explained why the increased movement speed and autoswing are disliked by people

Instead of just saying "People hate it. Trust me."

[indigo hazel]

I just saw another person complaining about it

ok lemme explain

some people (me included) don't like the change cause the character feels way too fast, especially for the early game

the slow start in vanilla has a good feel to it

since you become faster trough accessories

but in the early game you run at a "normal" human speed

and regarding autoswing

[deft yew]

just a thing i realized

[eternal escarp]

yes it does

[indigo hazel]

certain weapons just feel more satisfying to use when they don't autoswing
it gives swords an impact, a certain oomf

@hollow shell

[deft yew]

keeping this in mind, turning off the speed changes could make the exos a LOT unnecessarily harder

[hollow shell]

Okay, those are acceptable reasons
Edit those into your suggestion.

[indigo hazel]

yeah basically

[indigo hazel]

will do

[drowsy plank]

90% sure i remember fab explicitly saying they have 0 intention of adding a config for this, citing something along the lines of "if you don't like these changes, just don't play the mod, at the point when you can toggle everything in config, why are you even playing calamity in the first place"

not to mention config bloat being a real thing

so even if the suggestion somehow got through ive got a heavy feeling it will literally just be shot down by devs anyway lmao

[eternal escarp]

it prolly would, yeah

but it is a mostly valid sugg

[drowsy plank]

fair enough

[eternal escarp]

who knows maybe in a vote, itd get more yays then nays

(idk how devmocracy votes actually work im just guessing

[hollow shell]

I brought up adding a config for these options to Fab before the update even released

He did not want to add a config, because he couldn't think of any reason why people would want to make early-game feel slower

[indigo hazel]

I edited them in.

[hollow shell]

But he did not say he would never do it

[small timber]

ya technically it is a pure buff, just like how mana regen faster now without gears

[hollow shell]

Thank you 👍

[daring imp]

epic

[drowsy plank]

huh, alright, cool to know cause his perspective seemed a LOT different when the draedon update channel was still a thing and he was talking about it

[daring imp]

sadly nobody else can vote it

[small timber]

also finally the first suggestion that made it to the star count, ever

[indigo hazel]

my suggestion is a minor one, I don't see why telling people to outright disable the entire mod because they're uncomfortable with a new stat change is acceptable in any way

I like calamity, but many people would like a config for such a small thing

[small timber]

the shatterd community portrait one

[eternal escarp]

i expected that

[indigo hazel]

np

[eternal escarp]

its always the small QoL / sprite tweaks that have no way to disagree on, to almost always make it

[daring imp]

unpopular opinion but i think demonshade armor should be just post SCal rather than post SCal and draedon

[deft yew]

it's being moved there

but the rework is delayed

along with exo armor which is its polar opposite

[daring imp]

exo armor would be sick, i really like the appearence of exo mechs

[eternal escarp]

i think thats

[hollow shell]

This will happen

[eternal escarp]

the intent?

yeah

[deft yew]

imagine it has the old exo color scheme :hdflr:

[eternal escarp]

it just didnt happen yet because Exo Armor is delayed

[daring imp]

[drowsy plank]

it's acceptable for the reasons i said early, fab made the mod, and if they think that adding too many switches to the thing invalidates the integrity of the mod, that's their choice as lead dev to do so, that's it

what was the old exo color scheme

[hollow shell]

yeah, that is the reason
Too much for one update

[deft yew]

it still exists in the exo weapons

[eternal escarp]

the one for the weapons

[indigo hazel]

read my suggestion again I changed it to explain in detail

[eternal escarp]

(is it really called "old scheme" nowadays? i thought the weapons color scheme will stay as is)

[deft yew]

fair

[daring imp]

would be cool if the summoner version of the exo armor had miniature versions of the mechs as minions, maybe it could only have 1 at a time and switch between them

[deft yew]

wait

[small timber]

basically from my perspective is "do not expect Calamity to be like vanilla", so just take the movespeed as a luxury given

[deft yew]

so what's the scheme of the exos themselves called

[drowsy plank]

that would be hella cool

[eternal escarp]

Exo Mech color scheme

thats how i refer to it

[small timber]

considering many of the vanilla-altering changes calamity makes (like early-hardmode progression)

[eternal escarp]

though, you could refer to the Exo weapons as "Miracle Matter Scheme" now

[indigo hazel]

yeah but that's also a config for a reason :/

[eternal escarp]

byeah thats besides the point by now

[small timber]

@indigo hazel it is a config because it is currently experimental, as in they havent rebalance the early-hardmode ore armors yet to make them viable for their tier, I can confidently say it will not be a config option once they fine-tuned it

[drowsy plank]

wait really? lmao nice

[hollow shell]

Your confidence is misplaced

[indigo hazel]

well well well

[small timber]

wait really? I thought this kind of things is something exactly what Fabsol will say "take it or leave it"

[hollow shell]

I rallied for the rework getting a config option because of the fact that it is a significant rework to progression
And it would be horrible for mod compatibility

[drowsy plank]

i mean calamity bended to make changes for thorium so i could see them leaving the switch in cause it could break other mods yeah

[indigo hazel]

configs are always good

truth be told

[drowsy plank]

not really

[indigo hazel]

yes really

[eternal escarp]

depends

if the config is for a slight thing then meh
if its for something grand like this then id say its justified

[hollow shell]

I can see the value behind constructing an intended experience, and not leaving everything to be fine-tuned by the player

[indigo hazel]

that's why default settings exist

tbh

[hollow shell]

But I would still like a config for the base speed adjustments because of, again
mod compatibility
Most particularly the pickaxe speed changes

Because we don't globally change pick speeds, we adjust each Calamity and vanilla pick
meaning other modded picks will ALWAYS be slower

[indigo hazel]

wait cal also changes pickaxe speeds?

[eternal escarp]

ye

[indigo hazel]

:c

[drowsy plank]

at a certain point ur not playing the game, ur playing something else entirely that you gutted to make your own, and balancing and bug testing for every combination could grind progress to a halt, but i can see reasons to have toggles for some of the vanilla stuff cause it can cause clashes with other mods

[indigo hazel]

you're making a config toggle sound like some drastic disfiguration of a mod, which it really isn't

[eternal escarp]

well if the config in theory was to "disable rogue damage" or whatever the fuck then yeah it would be

but thats not really whats happening here

[drowsy plank]

i know but ive seen thing get shot down for config options for less

[indigo hazel]

yeah I was never talking about that lol

plus you could easily mod a throwing rogue merger

as an addon

no need to ask the devs of thorium or cal for example

[small timber]

although the movement speed can be an argument, isnt the autoswing one deliberately done to rebalance the true melee swords or something? at least from what I heard

[drowsy plank]

it's also to stop people from getting carpal tunnel cause do we really need manual swing back on things like venus magnum lmao

[indigo hazel]

it makes weapons feel better

[drowsy plank]

no lmao

[hollow shell]

I do hate that we gave autoswing to Venus Magnum and similar pistols

Defeats their entire point

[small timber]

good old phoenix blaster against WoF

[hollow shell]

This game has enough automatic guns

[indigo hazel]

yes

why do you think vanilla has semi auto guns

or swords

[drowsy plank]

i think not having auto use on heavy, long use time weapons would make sense cause yes, the argument could be made they would, you know, feel heavier, but on things with quick use time like pistols id really rather keep the cartilage in my hands

[small timber]

I think pistol is just "no carpel tunnel for you"

[hollow shell]

Just don't use those weapons, is my argument

I want people to have the option to use them as they are if they are not bothered by it

You will always have alternative weapon choices

[small timber]

because how many people actually use magnum and phoenix blaster and the likes without given them automatic fire (eventhough it defeats their purpose)

[drowsy plank]

i suppose this is an argument for a config to disable it, so fine, whatever, but i genuinely think barring some weapons cause of stuff like this doesn't make sense, it makes sense for slow weapons cause it gives them weight, but i legitimately don't get what giving the very speedy pistols manual uses does for the game

[indigo hazel]

pistols would just transform into weak machine guns then

what's the point

they're supposed to be slower

[drowsy plank]

they still are just weak machine guns

then reduce the use time

[indigo hazel]

not with semi auto

[indigo hazel]

holding it down feels cheap

I don't know how to explain it

[drowsy plank]

how

[hollow shell]

Without autoswing it feels like you are using a semi-automatic gun

Now it's a machine gun shaped like a pistol

[indigo hazel]

yeah this

it's great for immersion

if you want to play like a speedrun machine and just deal the most damage possible, then yeah keep it autoswing
but PLEASE add a small little config to make it feel semi auto for the peeps that enjoy it

[small timber]

although if going back to suggestion, I think roleplaying/immersion do not make good argument, instead just put the "turning all weapons into machine gun" argument

[half sage]

immersion in 2d pixel game

[drowsy plank]

i think the bigger issue here is terraria ranged weapons not having reload if this is about immersion, rather than removing autouse being a good design choice in any capacity

[drowsy plank]

this

[indigo hazel]

unironically yes

[half sage]

tho I do agree there should be a semi auto and auto split when it comes to guns

for balance and gameplay diversity

[hollow shell]

Gameplay diversity, yeah

[half sage]

because if venus magnum is auto fire then the only difference between it and megashark in terms of gameplay is, well, nothing

makes ranger even more hold m1: the game than it already is

[indigo hazel]

Don't wanna go too off topic but how does the fact that terraria is 2d and pixelated make it any less fit for roleplay tho

[indigo hazel]

yeah basically

hold m1 is not fun

@hollow shell I changed my suggestion again

[small timber]

though just personal opinion, try to summarize the second part a bit, when it get into voting it is hard for people to look through all paragraphs just to get a point of basically "it don't feel right to be this way"

[indigo hazel]

is it better now I changed it up a bit

I understand that it's a lot to read

but oh well

[crude geode]

Isn’t SCal meant to be moreso the boss for Mage/Summoner while Draedon is the boss for Ranged/Melee? I feel like bullets from exo would make more sense

[hollow shell]

byeah @zenith bay At least acknowledge the possibility of Exo or even Auric ammo

in your suggestion

[sudden sluice]

Oh sorry

My bad

[fossil finch]

piky's dev wep 🥺

[novel belfry]

wait what

[hollow shell]

What?

Someone had posted a very similar suggestion

[novel belfry]

oh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[exotic stag]

why would we

EVER need that?

[fossil finch]

we do not

there is no reasoning you could have to make this a serious sugg

i will die on this hill if needed

[exotic stag]

i dont even think its possible to kill super dummy without extra mod help

[ashen warren]

lol

[dense ferry]

I remember killing it once with endgame weapons

Well, 0ing it's health, that is

[exotic stag]

was it on accident or like?

were you making a loadout

[fossil finch]

not like that same tactic is viable anymore

superdummy life and regen was not nerfed... dev weapons were

[dense ferry]

I was actively trying to kill it with a normal setup, but that was a long time ago

[rugged belfry]

or maybe even a boss
I don't think suggesting bosses is allowed

[fossil finch]

suggestion bosses is infact, not allowed

[grim tusk]

@hasty badge

the only dummy here is you
(Install Vanities mod)

[fossil finch]

specially one like this were it is essentially just a meme

[grim tusk]

(Also yes boss suggs are not allowed)

[rugged belfry]

Imagine you're just tryna test your new sword and boom a boss spawns

[deft yew]

Dummy! starts playing

[hollow shell]

"I've killed the Super Dummy multiple times, even in the new 1.5 update and it kinda feels weirdly anti-climactic"
That's because.. it's a dummy

it's not supposed to be anything more than that

[river glen]

litterally

ur supposed to test ur weapons on it

that is its entire purpose

[hollow shell]

@thin creek But why, though?

Why should Calamity do this?

[thin creek]

It was just a thought i had and i wanted to share it

i dont have a full reason other than it seeming like a nice lil thing

[hollow shell]

Well, why did you have that thought? What's the relation between the Sunken Sea and the Blood Moon?

[thin creek]

i was going to my sunken sea in order to get aquashard shotgun and a bloodmoon happened

[hollow shell]

(Does that turn the whole Sunken Sea blood-red? I forgot if that effect goes away when you're underground)

[thin creek]

the water turns red, but not the blocks or anything

[hollow shell]

Alright, that's something though
You can mention how, being a water-based biome, the Blood Moon drastically affects the appearance of the Sunken Sea

and makes it look quite intimidating, or something along those lines

[thin creek]

mkmk

i gotchu

[rugged belfry]

Rover why are you so nice

[hollow shell]

m, not quite how I expected the reason to be edited

You could include that anecdote about you arriving in the blood-red Sunken Sea as your reasoning for why you felt there could be a special addition based around it

Keep in mind that in suggestions, reasons are more important than specifications

It's more important to say why something should change, rather than how you think it should be changed

yeah like
"My current mob ideas:" you don't need this at all @thin creek

[thin creek]

kk

updated it

[hollow shell]

Alright
Not the best but thank you for editing it

[thin creek]

np lol

[safe oasis]

i feel like putting it more into a paragraph format rather than sections like that would be cleaner and more fluid

[rugged belfry]

^

[thin creek]

kk

[river glen]

#suggestions-voting message dam only 230

jesus...

so close

[ripe owl]

Momma I'm on da TV!

[rose latch]

lmfao the Eskimo set needs drop rates reduced so much

1 minute in the ice biome with a blood moon filled my inventory with Eskimo clothes

[grim tusk]

ok I think I know what my next 2 suggs will be:
Make stealth and charge meters click through (for consistency with the rage and adrenaline meters)
Get rid of weather hazard delay config (WHY DOES THIS DEATH MODE EXCLUSIVE CONFIG HAS AN OPTION TO MAKE IT WEAKER)

but gotta wait 24 hours

[worthy lintel]

Most likely for convenience and customization

[grim tusk]

yes but its dmode

its like reducing dmode darkness through a config

if it were to stay at least make it not able to set weather hazards to half the amount minimum

[worthy lintel]

At the end of the day the real star of dmode are the bosses and such configs don't really alter the experience

(also freezing death is the real deal )

Nothing wrong with your sugg but stripping away customization options is likely to be stuck in sub-30 stars hell

[grim tusk]

well its true

people just like the game being easier

[insert Rover quote]

[worthy lintel]

The Quote

[silver silo]

(I wish angry dogs spawned in blizzards)

[hollow shell]

aight but Angry Dog has nothing of value to drop

Doesn't even have the RIV anymore

[grim tusk]

leather still good for that raider's talisman (until you get it)

[hollow shell]

That's just, a material

which is not exclusive to it

You can craft it

[cobalt pewter]

I literally do not care about Death mode until Blood Moon comes

the jacked up spawnrates drags my FPS down to shadowrealm

[silver silo]

[cobalt pewter]

idk why but I feel like Tundra Leash should be moved to Angry Dog drop and give something else to ice shrine

[silver silo]

other biome shrines: unique items that give advantages

ice shrine: ride the doggo

[grim tusk]

Yea same

[grim tusk]

You could say the same about Nymph, Tim, Rune Wiz, great sand shark, giant clam, ice claspers, elementals, draconic swarmers, and many others

Like why tf do i need to kill swarmers if i can just kill bumblefuck

[cobalt pewter]

To be fair Leather is pretty common otherwise, it was originally crafted in vanilla (cal just added a way for crimson peeps to be able to craft it the same way)

Metal Detector is craftable?

[grim tusk]

Why should i kill giant clam for mollusk shells if i can fish em or grind regular clams

[grim tusk]

Yes

5 spelunker glow sticks, gold dust, some wires and iron

[cobalt pewter]

hmm, in a way the craft is mostly for catching up with crafting PDA tho? unless you wanna gate the crafting even further to HM

[grim tusk]

Seems like it

Just like megaphone for ankh shield and celestial magnet for mage shit

[hollow shell]

Giant Clam and GSS?

Why not suggest to make Angry Dogs more common instead of trying to lump them in with creatures that are way more valuable?

[cobalt pewter]

in this state Angry Dogs can be more common yea

but if it's possible to have Tundra Leash with replaced as something else for ice shrine, the mount can be moved to Angry Dog drop, and flag the mob as rare

[crude geode]

Add every enemy that doesn’t immediately spawn ten seconds into farming it to rare creature detector

Harder to find than insert rare creature detector mob here

Byeah angry dogs really should be given tundra leash to justify their existence tbfh

Pitbulls at least have their tooth to make up for not really mattering

[cobalt pewter]

and pitbulls are pretty common in Blood Moon

[crude geode]

I just don’t really get this suggestion

Like you could get leather from angry dogs, or you could just farm in the crimson for vertebrae and leather by doing so