suggestions-discussion

[sand umbra]

use a Band of Regeneration

like a normal person

[hot zephyr]

Oh no, Pearl God now is a Polter drop!

[sand umbra]

or drink Honey

[hot zephyr]

Not everyone's favorite hammer, Evil Smasher!

[sand umbra]

Bottled Honey is actually like

pretty damn good now iirc

because it gives you the Honey buff for like ten years when you drink it

[hot zephyr]

Community now is arguably x10 easier to obtain as well.

[small timber]

pearl god is was unironically good (unless you play on death)

[hot zephyr]

By the time it gives any reasonable stats you can just nuke Levi and Anahita from orbit

[sand umbra]

I would've pointed out that Community is still a Malice drop and dealin' with Malice A&L is probably a very painful experience

and then I remembered RDR doesn't work on some bosses anymore after you progress far enough

so it's a moot point lmao

[hot zephyr]

even with reactive, you can easily beat that boss with above tier gear

if you use the mode like it's intended on the tooltip it's a net benefit to the average player

[sand umbra]

lul

[hot zephyr]

imho if you're still struggling with malice levi w/ post-polter gear I don't think you deserve Community tbh

You should bring a counterpoint to the fact that the devs are intentionally trying to move away from the old RIV mechanics because they just resulted in a lot of pointless boss killing to invalidate difficulty of above-tier bosses

so fight Malice EoC with post-EoC gear

[small timber]

from another perspective "Revengeance" is the designed, standard difficulty (equivalent to vanilla Expert) while Death is mostly just additional, optional difficulty. Malice is akin to "unreasonable challenge mode" which is why it rewards item for overcome such a challenge.

I will argue that since Revengeance is the equivalent of Calamity's expert and most originally Rev drops are already move to expert, it do not really need additional drops

[sand umbra]

anyway back to challenge drops bein' generally not that useful:

• glhf gettin' Aegis Blade now (use an actually good melee weapon instead like Omniblade or that thing that crafts into Animus later)
• Briny Baron is actually really fuckin' good but nobody ever used it because farmin' Fishron is pain
• I remember The Reaper actually bein' relatively popular and so I'd understand if people were complainin' about it gettin' moved, but weirdly enough nobody's doin' so, so
• Burden Breaker bein' moved to Malice is hilarious because it removes the need for the Dungeon Guardian nerf which I still think is stupid
• Leonidas' Progressive™️ Car Insurance is cool but nobody used it ever and the same is true of Cold Divinity

Malachite is good and Malice PBG even with on-tier stuff is a joke relatively speakin' so that's off the list (source: I fought Malice PBG myself. she was basically unchanged from how I remember her pre-1.5 save for some new sound effects and the ability to build for speed)

[hot zephyr]

atm I think Malice is a good compromise because pretty much all of the existing Malice drops were due for a nerf

except for like, the shitty ones

but they won't be shitty forever

[sand umbra]

BFlux is used for Drat still I think but at the same time you can bomb Plantera out of existence by the time you need BFlux for Drat

the two that concern me the most are Cosmic Discharge and Yharim's Crystal

from DoG and Yharon, respectively

[hot zephyr]

@hollow shell sorry for the late night ping, but was Drat's owner ever contacted

[hollow shell]

About the recipe change?

[hot zephyr]

Was it changed?

[sand umbra]

Cosmic Discharge is an obscenely good melee weapon which you also need for one of the dev mage weapons (that's right, Apoth still takes Cosmic Discharge for some reason, at least to my knowledge)

[hot zephyr]

oh

right yeah it was

[sand umbra]

and Yharim's Crystal...is Yharim's Crystal

[hot zephyr]

~~Why is it a Malice drop ~~

[hollow shell]

Contacted over what, then? If not the recipe?

[hot zephyr]

~~Why were either of these Malice exclusive I thought we established precedent w/ Evasion Scarf and Celestial Jewel ~~

[cobalt pewter]

at this point moving Malice exclusive equipment out of Malice should be a don't

[hot zephyr]

I had an aneurism and thought that Drat's recipe wasn't changed in 1.5, apparently B.flux remaining was intentional ig

[hollow shell]

Yeah the most important aspect of Drata at all is that it includes Blossom Flux in its recipe

[sand umbra]

yeah Drat still takes BFlux, Apoth still takes Cosmic Discharge, and Yharim's Crystal is still functionally worthless because of where you get it and how annoyin' it is to get it

the only difference with Crystal now is that it's actually consistent

[hollow shell]

Yermes Christal ain't that bad

[hot zephyr]

if there's any suggestion to be made, it's removing b.flux and cosmic discharge from the recipes of those weapons because we already established some sort of precedent

[sand umbra]

lemme put it this way
how doable is Malice Yharon

[hot zephyr]

Not

[sand umbra]

precisely my point

[cobalt pewter]

Cosmic Discharge should totally be removed

but idk about B-Flux

the entire point of Drata is that the dedicatee used purely B-Flux for a challenge anyways

[hollow shell]

Drata and Apoth are supposed to be like sister weapons

[hot zephyr]

I don't see the need to keep the Malice drops inside of those weapons because at the point where you craft the upgrades, you can just annihilate the Malice bosses anyways

[sand umbra]

it's a shame too because Yharim's Crystal to my understandin' looks really cool now and I really wish it was able to be used more commonly as opposed to havin' to get like BR-grade equipment to stand a chance in hell of gettin' it

[hot zephyr]

And, inconsistency

rancor is cooler than yhermes anyways

[sand umbra]

the fuck is rancor

[hot zephyr]

but that's subjective

[hollow shell]

Thomas ain't seen Rancor yet?

[sand umbra]

is that a new weapon I've been missin' out on because I've been takin' too long with my 1.5 playthrough

[hot zephyr]

do you want to see it

[hollow shell]

If it's easy enough to obtain those Malice weapons, and the thematic aspect is really important to the identity of the item, why remove them?

[sand umbra]

uhhhhh maybe
depends on what it is

[hot zephyr]

primarily because of the precedent established with the earlier malice items not being materials

[sand umbra]

honestly the main thing I'm still tryin' to avoid at this point is
spoilers on the Exo Mechs as a fight

I still haven't gotten to them, although I am decently close now (hooray)

[hot zephyr]

secondarily, this one is subjective, but I think the recipes are needlessly strange

[hollow shell]

Is that consistency more important than Blossom Flux being included in the Blossom Flux reward item?

[sand umbra]

so uh if Rancor isn't a spoiler thing for that then yeah I'm down to take a glance at it

[hot zephyr]

it's a lategame mage weapon

[hollow shell]

It's a new post-SCal thing so

[sand umbra]

o

[hot zephyr]

do you want to see it

[sand umbra]

yes

[sand umbra]

it's gonna be 15 years before I do another playthrough anyway and my current one's rogue so lol

hooOOH shit
now this
THIS is a magic weapon

[hot zephyr]

it's the non-malice equivalent of Yharim's Crystal, pretty much

[cobalt pewter]

✨ dedicated items ✨

[sand umbra]

I am
so mad I agreed to do rogue for this playthrough now

no

actually good and cool magic weapons exist for the first time in 50 years and it coincides with the one time I'm not playin' mage. this sucks

[hollow shell]

It's at the end of the game so

[sand umbra]

e

[hot zephyr]

cosmic discharge only exists in apoth because b.flux only exists in drat beacuse of some ancient trivia

which has very little relevancy to the player

[hollow shell]

You're talkin about frickin Apotheosis here
It has a bit of a reputation

[sand umbra]

Apoth makes sense but also

Malice DoG

[hollow shell]

We can afford to have it be an exception because it's a fuckstick wack item

[sand umbra]

.

actually no

stuff like Celestus still exists

Malice DoG is therefore perfectly doable

[hot zephyr]

i'm also biased because I despise most dedicated items having really weird recipes

[sand umbra]

Marksman Bow

moment

probably also a couple others I can think of that have really weird recipes

maybe

[hot zephyr]

Daawnlight Spirit Origin requiring 3 lead cores

[hollow shell]

Kurasawa, a gun weapon, had Crown Jewel in its recipe for a while
Now it's Any Large Gem (remember Large Gems?)

[sand umbra]

no

[cobalt pewter]

no one really asked you to, so big oof

magic will have the flashiest shit in the universe

and that's the law

[sand umbra]

this is what I get for lettin' my very small audience pick what class I play

I miss out on actually cool weaponry

[hollow shell]

Rogue's got a lot goin for it

Its weaponry throughout the game is the most consistently new

[cobalt pewter]

it's got a lot of internal changes for sure yeah, mostly for the better

Stealth actually has an identity now

[sand umbra]

ye

rogue actually has some class identity now

which is somethin' I'm very happy about

anyway back to Malice drops

why do people complain so much about drops that, for the most part, aren't even that good

[hollow idol]

I just hear counter scarf

[sand umbra]

(still don't understand why Teardrop Cleaver is one by the way)

[hollow idol]

a lot of counter scarf

[sand umbra]

why are people so goddamn mad about Counter Scarf

just

use Shield of Cthulhu

Shield of Cthulhu is like
objectively better anyway from a functional standpoint

[hollow idol]

people like counter scarf dodge

[sand umbra]

Shield is:

• obtainable in a lower difficulty, even prior to 1.5
• more consistent in how it works
• able to give you more options out of a bonk because of how it works
• able to deal damage
• (mostly irrelevant, but) able to be used in nohits
  the dash given by Counter Scarf, and by extension Evasion Scarf as well, is effectively a one-time-per-15-seconds-or-so projectile dodge that doesn't even work disguised as a reskinned Shield of Cthulhu dash

I've said it before and I will say it again

Scarf is not nearly as good as people make it out to be

not only that but it got actively nerfed alongside bein' moved to Malice

in that the fuckin' uhhhhhhhhh
buff on dodge
thing
doesn't exist anymore (which is also true for Evasion Scarf btw), and rightfully so

[hollow idol]

centerpiece for most people is the dodge, buffs were kinda just a neat side bonus

[sand umbra]

the problem is that the dodge isn't even consistent at least from what I remember

[cobalt pewter]

dodge is significantly buggier than bonk

and bonk is the ol' reliable

[sand umbra]

it barely works and even when it does work there's a good chance you get damaged for it anyway

[hollow idol]

“ok but does your bonk work on projectiles”

[cobalt pewter]

people like it because they can go through projectiles at yes or no% chance

[sand umbra]

a few of them, yes, actually

and yes, I just played that card. technically correct is the best kind of correct

[cobalt pewter]

and to that, I say

[hollow idol]

projectile npcs dont count

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-blackbeard-one-piece-jump-force-gif-22901280

[sand umbra]

technicalities aside, you could also just use the dash to like

avoid projectiles entirely?

and thus negate the problem of "does bonk work on projectile" in the first place

[hollow idol]

more skill : /

[sand umbra]

if it doesn't work on a projectile just
don't dash directly into said projectile

very solvable problem

[cobalt pewter]

too bad average Terraria playerbase has the comprehension of literal children

Terraria subreddit is filled with questions that you could search for 5 mins tops

[sand umbra]

[hollow idol]

elegy of evil altars dropping souls

[sand umbra]

elegy of "why can't I abuse Titanium against Cryogen anymore"

(also "why am I gettin' both ores from a tier in the same world? is this a tML issue? mods? devs? please? fix???")

(I wish I was kiddin'. ever since 1.5 dropped, tMLcord has had at least one person per day that has no idea that mods can actually change the base game and asks why Titanium/Adamantite isn't spawnin' after they break the altars that very clearly aren't spawnin' ore anymore and are givin' them Souls of Night)

(with a hammer that literally says Demon Altars no longer spawn ores when broken)

[cobalt pewter]

(lmao)

[dapper coral]

to be fair it could be a little clearer on how you do get the ores

byeah children do be like that sometimes

[sand umbra]

unfortunately, that is not exactly a problem I know how to solve

[winter lotus]

like what the mans thinking but i dont think thats ever gonna happen sadly

[robust lava]

Bugs channel is an endless cycle of three questions

[sand umbra]

Calamity isn't exactly. good at explainin' major changes in-game, period, let alone doin' so in a way that doesn't sorta ruin immersion

sure, the Revengeance item and its many cousins do that job well

but a lot of the mechanics that are changed regardless of difficulty, includin' the new Hardmode progression scheme, are not only not explained clearly in-game, but are very hard to explain in-game in a way that doesn't break the flow of the game entirely

[winter lotus]

@lost agate just leave and rejoin the game if your in multiplayer welp that sucks

[silver silo]

the fact that they have to add ''breaking demon altars wont spawn ores'' to the pwnhammer and people STILL get confused already says enough about people being unable to read

[sand umbra]

yeah

you will never be able to fully idiotproof somethin'

[silver silo]

honestly you could remove that line and nothing would change

[sand umbra]

if you think you have, you better start re-thinkin' it

because the world will invent a better idiot to prove you wrong otherwise

[silver silo]

god: ''oh yeah? try this one on for size big boy''

@hollow idol your mod has a sepulcher pet right, is that gonna look like new sepulchy eventually

[sand umbra]

anyway yeah
I wish I knew a good approach to this issue, but I don't, and I don't really wanna gamble on the lottery that is gettin' the average barely-old-enough-for-Discord Terraria player to actually read words
so

[hollow idol]

one already exists.,,.

[silver silo]

w

what

[hollow idol]

no movy legs tho, he Y posing because im too lazy to code moving legs

[silver silo]

kek

yeah dont blame you

[ruby plover]

I have in idea for a suggestion, don’t know if it’s suitable lore-wise: you know how Draedon makes… clicking (??) noises at different points during the exo mechs fight? What if one of those noises happened along with a small piece of dialogue in the chat when you defeat the last of the regular mechs

He does acknowledge that he knew you fought his old mechs (or he has just seen you progress through the game in general): "Ever since I was alerted to your presence, I have processed your battles in order to make my machines stronger."

[lusty iris]

rogue weapons are the coolest doe smh

[sand umbra]

nahhhh

not even close

[hollow shell]

That could be neat as foreshadowing I spose

[lusty iris]

nah I love rogue stealth strikes

burst damage is my favorite thing so having a dedicated burst damage class is

and most stealth strikes are fun

[tardy smelt]

especially now they're viable

[cobalt pewter]

Mage weapons are objectively the flashiest of the bunch and that's the law of Terraria

breaking said law would result in the tear within space time, destroying us all

[glossy stone]

Yeah SCal is a bit underwhelming if you exclude her other drops

Although you do get Shadowspec armor after SCal now

But some craftable weapons and items would've helpful

[hollow flint]

wait wdym?

you get a vanity set but not an armour set

[frail mantle]

draedon gives exo mech drops, the exo box and exo weapons
SCal gives her drops, enchantments and Exhumed items

although there aren't too many Exhumed items and there are more planned i think, and ashes of annihilation could probably do with some more uses

[eternal escarp]

she is supposed to be the final boss.
also this isnt entirely true, because of the future and current reasons being the BR and AEW as a post game(?) superboss

[frail mantle]

also Draedon and SCal are intended to be the current final bosses together

[eternal escarp]

and the fact exo mechs are at the same tier which, yeah

[frail mantle]

also also that yeah

there's gonna be more content after both of them in the future

[distant gyro]

ashes could be used for enchs but idk if that's something you want to be doing

[eternal escarp]

sounds like a bad idea ngl

[distant gyro]

instead of throwing a shit load of money at her

[hollow flint]

yeah i mean as of now, and also i really wasnt sure if they were considering scal and draedon same tier or not, thanks for the info tho

[eternal escarp]

👍

[cobalt pewter]

SCal is easier than Draedon
@Difficulty is Subjective

We got Draedon in public for less than a month, and while it'd be too early to call whether it's harder than SCal, it's definitely messier from what I observed

[eternal escarp]

technically as of now you could count her as 1 of the final bosses, but theres more of the game to come after her, even currently

so ye

@tardy smelt

they asked to be pinged

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow flint]

yes that is part of my point, if its supposed to be one or the other depending on which you find easier, why does one provide more upgrades than the other?

[eternal escarp]

and yeah the longer the update is out people would also definitely get more used to them and theyd prolly get more or less equel, if we are to speak with no opinions in mind

[cobalt pewter]

that is a good point yea, SCal does provide less gear compared to Draedon, and I don't think enchantments really cover it

(unless Exhumed weapon shits are post scal but pre drae?)

[eternal escarp]

they are technically

you only need Brimstone Witch for them

(and items from previous tiers)

[frail mantle]

Draedon provides more physical upgrades (items you can directly craft), SCal provides more indirect updgrades (enchantments and Exhumed items)

[eternal escarp]

i wouldve suggested to expand on the Exhumed arsenal but im unsure if its small because its unfinished or due to any real reason

[cobalt pewter]

how much exhumed weapons are there for each class

[frail mantle]

i'd say this suggestion is valid if you edit it to mention enchants/exhumed items as well

[frail mantle]

two mage and two summons

[eternal escarp]

2 summon 2 mage

1 accesory

thats it

[cobalt pewter]

damn

[frail mantle]

(as far as i'm aware there are more planned)

[hollow flint]

yeah sorry i'll do that now

[eternal escarp]

mage weapons from Burning Sea and i forgot, summon items from Mechworm and i think it was the Vigil?

[eternal escarp]

ah, good to know then

[frail mantle]

burning sea and ghastly visage + entropy's vigil and mechworm

[eternal escarp]

right

[frail mantle]

makes Rancor, Gruesome Eminence, Cinders of Lament and Metastasis

[hollow flint]

ok ive edited it, probably not the most informed opinion though, my apologies

[lusty iris]

flashy doesn't mean fun doe

[small timber]

I know this was discussed before, as of currently isnt it more reasonable to decrease star requirement to 250? from my scouting not a single one in the voting had reached 270. The closest is only 3, one is 260+ (for scarf providing cold prot), 250+ (shatterd community portrait) and 250+ (boss effect rename)

and I will assume these maybe stagnated because of significant amount of new voting per day

[frail mantle]

rover was going to do something with the star req since the initial 1.5 tidal wave is over iirc

[small timber]

I mean not quite over, still consistent around 10 suggestion per day

[tardy smelt]

(compared to 1-3 per day before the update)

[gray nebula]

[stoic gate]

yay

[gray nebula]

no please.,,,,.,,, pleas,,,. e

you can't just normalise the interesting spawning methods from vanilla,,,..,, haha.,..,

[eternal escarp]

tbf this wouldnt completely normalize it

[distant gyro]

no you don't need to mention blockLoot

people know what it is

[eternal escarp]

it just adds a level inbetween which is fine ig

[stoic gate]

I was afraid that people would think doing that is too hard

my fault

[distant gyro]

well, at least devs know

the average people i dont think needs to know that

[gray nebula]

you'd turn a cool summon methods that's directly integrated with the game and also lets new player discover wof on their own into yet another "get item from mob, craft summon item, summon

[stoic gate]

yup

[fossil finch]

at this point iban's gonna need a copium inhaler because of these suggs man

[gray nebula]

for a non issue as well cuz like idk I never rly had a single time when wof spawned accidentally, jus sounds like a skill issue. and we've got the voodoo demon voodoo doll so...

[distant gyro]

a little coping

[stoic gate]

you are right, it is less interesting

but we can do other things instead of simply crafting, like favoriting the item turns it into a guide voodoo doll

[gray nebula]

that's insanely obtuse

[stoic gate]

sure

[gray nebula]

and it doesn't change the fact it wouldn't be intuitive to find out for a new player

n like idk if the suggestion is really worth it

like there's already the spawn blocker

[tardy smelt]

honestly I like the fact that wall of flesh can be summoned on accident

[gray nebula]

calamity players when the quality of life isn't outrageously abundant

[stoic gate]

the blocker can't work perfectly in multiplayer

[gray nebula]

multiplayer moment

[tardy smelt]

its like a jumpscare~ and also makes the biome a bit more dynamic

[stoic gate]

but yes, I think what I said should be added in QoL mod instead of a content mod

I'm deleting it

[silver silo]

iban when item summons

[tardy smelt]

relatable

item summons are a nice QoL in the basegame for refighting/easily summoning bosses

but in calamity they're like~ excessive

[cobalt pewter]

WoF issues are beyond spawning

the whole boss is a big problematic piece of shit

I think its spawning method should be the least of everyone's concern

[tardy smelt]

^

here's me, fingers crossed my sugg makes it thro indev voting

this one

it's been worryingly long since it's been sent to indev voting

so I wonder if it just got trampled

[cobalt pewter]

honestly I would love if wof just

don't exist

having a boss like it in a game where you need to clear out an exorbitant amounts of area and make your own arena to fight said boss is cancerous as shit

[distant gyro]

get neutraled

[tardy smelt]

[daring imp]

what's the problem with WoF lasers?

i tried WoF only in death after the update and the lasers seems easier than they used to be or maybe i just became too good

[tardy smelt]

I don't find them that hard to avoid, in all honesty

I just think they're just really unfun, stupid and braindead and add nothing to the boss except extra cannon fodder

[cobalt pewter]

difficulty is

[tardy smelt]

fuck you're right

[distant gyro]

[tardy smelt]

[safe oasis]

@daring imp only two suggestions are allowed in #suggestions-posting , wait until one gets into #suggestions-voting first

[exotic stag]

isnt it per day?

and both of his is yesterday..

[eternal escarp]

i mean

a day is relative

from my timezone, all 3 are today

its more so a timeframe of the length of a day

rather then just a day

and i might be stupid but it seems that the timeframe here is 12 hours

dunno

[exotic stag]

per 24 hour period..

dunno either

[eternal escarp]

yeah

which doesnt seem to be the time that passed, but eh

[dry latch]

by day, they meant the 24 hour period it takes for a sugg to get sent to voting

basically only 2 suggs in posting at a time

gotta wait for at least one to get sent to voting before sending a third

[eternal escarp]

either way they were pinged for this so they'd see this eventually

[frozen hornet]

You can get slots from other accs like dark sun ring

Nucleo and it's components aren't the only things summoner has for accs

The soul artifacts and the new phatomic artifact exists too

[worthy lintel]

Defense damage just got tuned down to the point you only get steamrolled if you literally sit inside the boss

But ultimately your point isn't wrong

[paper torrent]

Thanks. I get steamrolled against Post-ML bosses when I normally don't.

[frozen hornet]

Most defensive accs and modifiers also got buffed

[tardy smelt]

^

it doesn't encourage nohitting

it just discourages facetanking

[paper torrent]

Yeah, but the recovery times and delay SUCKED.

It especially sucks when you get stuck in a chain of attacks.

[frozen hornet]

I barely noticed it and the last time I played was right after the update

Before the nerfs

[paper torrent]

Especially Pre-Skeletron before you get a shield.

[daring imp]

oh yeah only one per day, right?

or only one per lifetime

[cobalt pewter]

@paper torrent it doesn't directly scale with difficulty anymore, it just takes the damage taken by the player methinks, which means that it indirectly scales with difficulty

but otherwise I can see the sugg yea

personally I wonder why this isn't a rev+ mechanic at the very least

[daring imp]

so do i delete the later 2 or what?

[frozen hornet]

DD

[deft yew]

@daring imp I think it’s you can only have two active at one time

[daring imp]

i will delete the sepulcher one since it doesn't seems to be happening anymore

[paper torrent]

Ah, I missed that.

[fossil finch]

Most rev+ exclusive general mechanics like this were abolished a while ago so rev+ and vanilla modes balancing wasn't two completely different worlds

So i see why

[hearty yew]

I don't make any money from Calamity.

[grim tusk]

So things i have noticed

90% of suggs die

Only the make shattered community’s icon bigger sugg got over 250

Why isnt the malice suggs a dont yet? I agree with what Ian and Thomas say. Its supposed to be hard and reward you for it

[distant gyro]

right now suggestions have a 0% delivery rate

[fossil finch]

Based

[distant gyro]

there is one at 263 though

[grim tusk]

Where?

I just scrolled through all suggs since star raise and only found 2 over 240 and none above 260

[small timber]

the counter scarf give cold prot one

[distant gyro]

^

i usually don't like to give indirect star inflation

5 with over 200 since count raise

(the one at 197 is before star raise and is used as a star flow check)

[exotic stag]

isnt the cold prot one before the 200 change?

oh nvm

yeah its at 263.

[hot zephyr]

calamity players asking for 50 billion config options so they can return to facetanking

[slate turtle]

lmao

[hot zephyr]

Good! Most them border on Don't-tier anyways

@paper torrent Defense damage isn't meant to "incentivize" no-hitting.

I'd retool your suggestion into suggesting adjustments to defense damage in lower difficulty modes instead of outright removal.

Because there's a near-0% chance it's getting made death/malice exclusive

Also, especially nowadays if Revengeance is too hard one could just... lower their difficult to Expert. It's a toggle for a reason.

Not everyone is entitled to completing the mod on Revengeance or higher.

[gray nebula]

yeah but revengeance has the fun attacks

😭

[hot zephyr]

[gray nebula]

anyways i am sure there will be a mod made to disable defense damage soon enough

so

win?

[uncut quiver]

yea it’s gonna be called the calamity skill issue mod, where challenge drops are moved back to revengeance and defense damage is removed

[exotic stag]

basically just "calamity but old"

[uncut quiver]

true

[sleek wadi]

Hard no on the defense damage disable, it does not take a lot to completely blank some bosses already. True melee with full warding and titan scale can still have really good damage while being invulnerable short of debuffs, I'd imagine other classes can achieve similar results by just using one of their free slots on defense instead of damage. Seeing as there are also universal options to blank debuffs as well, defense damage is necessary.

[exotic stag]

i gotta agree with spark. before defense damage i was making loadouts that could take a hit from pretty much anything without even needing to panic (Like 10 damage per hit). so having DD just to stop you from going "yep gonna facetank just like i do all over" is a pretty good idea. it prevents just sweeping. so you can explore the game more

[ashen warren]

good, this is a commune comrade

[river glen]

already one

[gray nebula]

insane

[sleek turret]

oh yeah the pesky addons

[hollow shell]

@cosmic bluff

12 ore per bar.

This is done so you only use 1/5 of a Yharon Soul Fragment per bar

Less boss farming

[cosmic bluff]

forgot how to do math for a second

[eternal escarp]

tbf youd usually only need like

[cosmic bluff]

edited my message

[eternal escarp]

15~ auric bars?

[hollow shell]

Auric Ore veins are frickin massive last I checked

[slate turtle]

^

[dapper coral]

yeppers

[eternal escarp]

yeah theyre of decent size

[slate turtle]

It doesn't take long at all to get enough ore

[dapper coral]

100ish ore each iirc

[eternal escarp]

more or less

[slate turtle]

and you only need 1 yharon kill for most of the stuff

[cosmic bluff]

well maybe I shouldn't have said anything

[hollow shell]

You're good dw

[cosmic bluff]

sorry

though perhaps 10 ore per bar (50 ore for 5) would be better since it's easier to do the math imo

idk. my ideas suck lmao

[hollow shell]

50 to 5 is easier to comprehend at a glance than 60 to 5

[cosmic bluff]

I just got unlucky with the vein sizes most of the time LOL

[cosmic bluff]

yee

[hearty yew]

I'm not even offended, because it means the system I made is very easy to tweak

🙃

People are allowed to Nerf Calamity however they want

I do not mind

I just disagree.

[sleek wadi]

Defense Damage do be one of the best changes to calamity tho, if only because of the things it enabled rather than being good itself.

[hollow shell]

What did it enable, if you don't mind me asking?

[sleek wadi]

Defense damage existing kills facetank builds, meaning honest tank builds like full warding or defense-focused accessories can be made much less conditional without enabling facetanks

[exotic stag]

or y'know those builds that are able to tank shit so much that because of their hp they feel nothing

[hearty yew]

Yep, that's exactly the design goal. Defense damage on its own isn't cool. It's a necessary evil so that tanking can be cool

[river glen]

i mean yeah

this is a sandbox game

people could play however the hell they want

idc if someone uses cheat sheat +6 acc and anti social.

[daring imp]

when will my suggestions get in #suggestions-voting

[languid quartz]

24h after it was posted if it isn’t ❗’d

[grim tusk]

Bot is 100% dead

Its Dec 1st

And theres stuff from Nov 29

@zenith hazel necromancy required

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[fallow edge]

Astral biome needs an post moon-lord content

[worthy lintel]

if you want to post a sugg do so in #suggestions-posting and follow the format in pins 🙏

[low remnant]

Hi all,
I understand that somewhat recently there was a suggestion about voodoo demons but I was going to ask if suggesting the removal of the increased voodoo demons spawnrate was possible/allowed. The fact that the mod adds an item entirely dedicated to removing the excessive spawns really speaks to how annoying they are to deal with when you don't want to fight WoF. I don't think it's necessary since there is a craftable alternative to obtaining voodoo dolls which is easy enough to craft using simple materials

[hollow shell]

You could suggest that the Voodoo Demon spawnrate get lowered even more
but, yeah, the Voodoo Demon Voodoo Doll item exists for exactly that purpose

The reason why it was raised is because it is equally if not more annoying to try and fight WoF, especially multiple attempts, but the game decides to give you no Voodoos

[drowsy plank]

still feels weird to have the solution be to spam them rather than just making a craftable version, but i feel like it's a lost cause to try and change it at this point, the mod seems pretty set on this being the way to handle it

[gilded crow]

just posted a rather uncontroversial idea

[ashen warren]

I think 50 play is a bit much, but I overall welcome the idea.

[gilded crow]

it would be on Scal level

[ashen warren]

Make actually make bringing purification powder to hell worthwhile.

[ashen warren]

I’m not sure how bad the new reforge prices are, but if they’re still that bad then rip.

[gilded crow]

I guess
farming bosses is still the meta, but being able to get that one last bit of dosh without refigthing DoG or whatnot would be good

[low remnant]

ultimately my concern is just why there are two calamity-added methods of getting it when realistically only one is needed, and the buffed spawnrates are tedious to deal with at that tier

[gilded crow]

so yeah
I'm gonna start making a campaign so the Tax buff goes through
Something about SCal going to jail for tax evasion

it might just work

anyways
bye

[zenith hazel]

forgot to mention but yes I did notify amber

[sand umbra]

tbh Voodoo Demon Voodoo Doll is pretty easy to craft

you can go to hell, be there for about a minute, and come out of Hell with everything you need

[cobalt pewter]

true

[fossil finch]

Rework cnidrion mayhaps

Im pretty sure rover said they had plans for cnidrion

At least give it an opportunity

[gray nebula]

cniDIES

sadly , we have plans

[grim tusk]

on another note, please reduce its spawn rate pre-DS

traversing the desert is already annoying enough, making an arena for DS while constantly being ambushed by it is :why:

[thick river]

seconded

[languid quartz]

Not my cnidrion storm why

[neon brook]

It's finally alive!

[zenith hazel]

revival

[languid quartz]

is the rotation of those projectiles deterministic/same every time or random?

just ooc

[lapis canyon]

Same

But still quite problematic

[languid quartz]

skill solution found

@lapis canyon

[lapis canyon]

mm yes, gotta move at the exact same degree position away from apollo to reliably dodge

[languid quartz]

it just seems like you could use the telegraph to position yourself in a place you'd dodge the lasers

[lapis canyon]

wow how did you figure that out

you wizard

[languid quartz]

true

byeah that's just what occurred to me after seeing the clip, this sugg is still fine

[lapis canyon]

its like dog laser walls w/o the telegraph

[languid quartz]

yeah fair enough

[dusty hamlet]

hopefully i didnt word that too terribly

[hollow shell]

@dusty hamlet Is this not already a mechanic?

Abyss Light Level?

[dusty hamlet]

im saying that it should be more dark

[hollow shell]

Yeah but

You don't mention the existing mechanic at sll

[dusty hamlet]

rip

[hollow shell]

You should mention it, is what I am saying

[dusty hamlet]

too late

time to leave the server in shame for the 7th time

see you in a month with a new alt

[hollow shell]

It's alright dude

The sugg posting channel exists for this reason

[dusty hamlet]

i'll do it tomorrow i need to sleep soon

[hollow shell]

Okie 👍

[neon panther]

haven't made a suggestion since 2018 when you just threw things in #suggestions-voting so hopefully my formatting is fine and I didn't break any rules

I'm still surprised there hasn't been anything added after cosmolight tbh

[languid quartz]

Return of the king [fast typer]

Sugg looks fine imo

The days of old suggestions were funny

I made one or two back then iirc?

[hollow shell]

Yep this sugg looks good Hyperin

[neon panther]

I'm still sad my suggestion to change the name of the Ancient Shiv to Minimasa didn't get through

[nocturne yew]

man

that sounds like a great name

[hollow shell]

(fuck, with the anime pfp I thought you were Hypera)

[neon panther]

long gone are the days of banana

[full thistle]

@earnest idol not sure if someone already mentioned this but there’s a mod that lets you bind dashing to a hot key which is probably easier

[hollow shell]

There is a mod for that already? Neat

[cobalt pewter]

I feel like the last sugg should be for a Cell Phone upgrade

but idl

idk

Smart Phone or smth

[nocturne yew]

a cellphone that breaks time and space

[frail mantle]

A tablet

[torn crown]

Draedon OS

[mellow trout]

I was wondering about making a suggestion to add in (at least) weapon tooltip an indication about the weapon tier. In a game with more and more weapon, that would allow player to better see their option to fight a boss when checking storage, without checking wiki.
The notion of tier is subjective and can be discussed, but before even making the suggestion, i was wondering if it would not be a pretty big work for dev to change every weapon tooltip...

[eternal escarp]

that would likely take ages to do so, and you can look at materials to see them

regardless, if that helps i am actually making a weapon list myself listed by tiers

just that im redoing them all because 1.5

[mellow trout]

Wow good Luck with that! And yes i agree that checking materials is a good indication

[eternal escarp]

ive done it before, i just wanted to overhaul em instead of slapping the new weapons

[eternal escarp]

@cloud panther you need to format your suggestion correctly, and give proper reasoning

i suggest you read the Don'ts document, which is pinned here (and at the top of #suggestions-posting )

[cloud panther]

sorry, accidentally pressed enter

[eternal escarp]

well, you can edit your message

instead of waiting for the cooldown

[glossy stone]

If a suggestion about adding an armor set for CV causes no issues, I don't see why me suggestion would be wrong.

[eternal escarp]

hey kywii, you could maybe also give a reason as to like

the fact theres specific armors at that tier for some classes

like Titan Heart and Brimflame

so maybe you could give a reasoning as to give more use to Corroded Fossils too and to add more class specifics armors at that area of the game...?

[dapper coral]

AR only gives an armor set at T1 right

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[dapper coral]

m

[eternal escarp]

AR3 doesnt give anything other then 2 weapons and an accesory
AR2 gives the most iirc, with like 4 weapon drops 2 accesories, and an almost full set of weapons in Corroded Fossils

(summoner doesnt get any weapon from the Corroded Fossils )

[dapper coral]

[glossy stone]

Me point is that AS is still the only Mech alt that doesn't give an armor set

[eternal escarp]

summoner wouldve gotten the least outta AR2 if it wasnt for Nuclear Rod ig

orthocera sentry lmao

[glossy stone]

Whereas all the others give you one, class specific or not

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah, its just that you could give some, maybe, additional reasoning using those facts

its just a me thought though, dont have to note that

[glossy stone]

I'll be honest, I don't see what I could add

[eternal escarp]

fair

[ashen warren]

Doesn't

Fathom armor exist

Why not like suggest making that earlier

[glossy stone]

I said Sulphur Sea, NOT the abyss

Both are very close yeah, but I still make the difference between the two

[cobalt pewter]

how would AS armor be classed into?

(I do not accept any propositions of making it multi helmet )

Sulphurous armor is post-EoC, it's rogue, and despite its early placement, it works extremely well all the way to WoF

Fathom Swarmer is uh, post cal clone, I think? and it's summoner

I would honestly like if Sulphurous armor "upgrades" throughout Acid Rain tiers

so you can upgrade Sulphurous with T2 Acid Rain materials (which is mainly Corroded Fossil)

and you can upgrade said upgrade with T3 drops

[eternal escarp]

it wouldve been cool but then uhh

titan heart armor

[lost obsidian]

Since titan heart armor is a stealth strike armor with good defense (from what the wiki say, I've never played rogue so I don't know if it's true) this idea could work but the armor could focus more on spamming attacks than using stealth strike and a bit less defense than the titan heart armor (maybe also more movement speed ?)

[earnest idol]

power outage sorry for the late reply, helpful hotkeys doesn't work with calamity things like asgard's valor and its upgrades, it will still default to double tapping even if you use the config option to disable double tap dash.

[full thistle]

Not discrediting your suggestion here, but if it helps for the time being you could try a macro

[fossil finch]

More t3 acid rain rewards coming 4874

[eternal escarp]

material would be stupid iirc when Corroded Fossils already dont get used as much

only for a mere like, 4 crafts?

4 weapons

1 caustic tear upgrade which makes it non consumable

and 1 music box

(which isnt craftable until post Polterghast)

the scales have slightly more to them

[earnest idol]

No no, I get what ya meant.

[worthy lintel]

pepto bismol lava does look nice ngl

Wonder how it would match with monoliths

[bright crag]

I like the Brimstone drip and I wish I could replicate the lava without the goddamn mobs spawning

Brimstone biome has such low block requirements it's annoying

[silver silo]

Oh Venus you have the hollow role nice

Also good sugg will updoot

[bright crag]

Yeah
I nohit 1.4 BR like 2 days before 1.5 dropped

[silver silo]

[bright crag]

Thank you!

[worthy lintel]

And you're probably the last Hollow for a very long time

Byea, sugg good

[bright crag]

Ngl this would actually be a good suggestion
Brimstone is such a good building block, but it's undermines by how easy it is to make it a full biome

Having to work with less than 50 Brimstone Crag is pretty lame

[worthy lintel]

You can suggest a safe Brimstone Slag mayhaps

[bright crag]

[bright crag]

True
I'll think about the suggestion while the cooldown fades away

[worthy lintel]

You're allowed 2 suggestions a day I think?

But for the sake of courtesy sticking to one isn't a bad thing

[silver silo]

Speaking of monoliths, exo monolith?

[worthy lintel]

Isn't exo background just a darker vortex monolith

[silver silo]

yes sadly

Well without the planet right

[eternal escarp]

still looks cool ngl

[worthy lintel]

I don't blame them shaders are hell

[eternal escarp]

and yeah its planetless

[worthy lintel]

And it looks dope

[silver silo]

Would still be cool for a lightning background without a space theme

And honestly I think monolith items themselves look cool so imagine an exo one

[worthy lintel]

Or a Scal cinders monolith

[silver silo]

true

[eternal escarp]

'tleast CalVal has stuff like that

[nocturne yew]

that would be cool

[silver silo]

Hey would give exo prisms and ashes a side use I guess lol

[half sage]

like how the levi one is just levi's head

[fossil finch]

at yuh though

[silver silo]

What if I don’t want to install another mod to get stuff from the base mod

🤨

(Love you though yuh)

[fossil finch]

what if the whole point of calval is adding vanities so there is a big chance the main mod will not add a lot of vanities that exist in therer

this could could not include monoliths

[silver silo]

Well it’s a suggestion for a reason

[fossil finch]

also that is overall a poor excuse because you never play with only one mod

[silver silo]

I do actually

And cal is balanced around itself is it not

[fossil finch]

when i say "only one mod" i mean that you don't play calamity without calamity music

or recipe browser

or boss checklist

also cal val is... vanities where does the balance around itself point comes

[silver silo]

I don’t use recipe browser or boss checklist, and I only use calamity music because...I have to?

[fossil finch]

ok then i'll pull the "Ok but you are a minority" card

[silver silo]

I guess I classify balance as bugs as well

And yes I am a minority

[fossil finch]

byeah do you have any actual reason for not just

using cal val

[silver silo]

You don’t like minorities?

[fossil finch]

yeha i hate minorities

[silver silo]

Unfortunate

[fossil finch]

i am an oppressor of minorities

like a true gamer

[silver silo]

The answer to your question is cal val also adds stuff I don’t want and isn’t official

[worthy lintel]

I know that you're memeing but please pick better words

[fossil finch]

just don't use that stuff???

[silver silo]

Yes let me just edit my calval to suit my tastes

[fossil finch]

also like
It is the most official any addon could be at this point

[silver silo]

Every copy of calval is personalised

[fossil finch]

also how is it being official or not an actual reason anyway

[silver silo]

Whomst

[worthy lintel]

[fossil finch]

i am still not seeing your point as to not just use calval
any and all things added by it you may not like can just be ignored

[silver silo]

Because i think of it this way: official stuff is the cal devs vision for things

[fossil finch]

iban has helped for calval with many things
iban is a dev
Therefore your point is moot
🚎

[silver silo]

You can’t tell me they exclude shit because “other stuff does it”

True devs have hands in them

Still

[fossil finch]

they can excluse shit because other mods do it

lol!

specially with calval

[silver silo]

I mean they don’t do it for everything

[fossil finch]

because it's been around for long and is recognised by many devs

[silver silo]

Honestly why doesn’t he have his own role here for it

Smh

[worthy lintel]

(people would start fishing for custom roles)

[silver silo]

They don’t already?

[fossil finch]

me when the guy who did a whole anime arc to get a role from danny

[worthy lintel]

It would be worse

[silver silo]

Anyway yeah this is just personal preference I hate the idea of being a “only use calamity” elitist

[worthy lintel]

Anyways, work moment, behave well or your kidneys are mine

[silver silo]

I made a sugg because it’d be cool in base calamity

Wait shit it’d be cool isn’t a valid reason

[grim tusk]

@cloud panther formatting and better reasoning

[eternal escarp]

they actually have the normal formatting

still lacking a reason tho yeah

[grim tusk]

Theres no space between title and text

[cobalt pewter]

that doesn't matter I think

as long as you actually go into a new line after the title

[cobalt pewter]

okay yeah

that's not good

[eternal escarp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nocturne yew]

small terminus

[gray nebula]

na

the real calamity is too cool to not add something just because calval already does it

also :not official ty 😄 its not nearly as calamity STYLE™️ enough

[fossil finch]

Damn i got DESTROYED

[hollow idol]

((no please add monoliths to main I beg, vanity ones are awful and buggy (and Boss Rush one doesn't have the cool eye thing)))

[hollow shell]

@glossy stone Brimflame armor is post-Calamitas, not post-Brimmy

(unless there's some other factor or a wiki inaccuracy, which I don't think there is)

[north plank]

nah it is post clone

it just needs both but clone is after

[hollow shell]

Define "needs both"

Thas why I sent the Charred Idol recipe

[north plank]

unholy cores

which need charred ore, so post brimestone elemental

unless that was changed oh god

[hollow idol]

(it was changed

[north plank]

damn!

[half sage]

yea charred ore is pre brimmy now, which is why rover posted the charred idol recipe, which now needs unholy cores

[fossil finch]

@tardy smelt

And try beating them post tier

[tardy smelt]

true

[fossil finch]

And try getting video of this anyway

[gray nebula]

Malice

funny mode

tried crabulon with friends we all got stunlocked after a single hit and died

hilarious mode i think, it really makes you appreciate the fairness of revengeance

[olive gazelle]

Revenge is really fair

I can't spell

So I'm supposed to talk here about my posts in #suggestions-posting

[exotic stag]

yes

[olive gazelle]

Well uhh
Yes hello

It feels unfair that CCal locks many things behind her while being such an insanely difficult boss to beat on tier, or even 1 tier later

[exotic stag]

malice is meant to be like 2 tiers ahead..

[olive gazelle]

That's really not a reason

Every single other boss has been more than possible on tier in Malice Death

But CCal is much harder

[exotic stag]

thats likely because you havent mastered ccal

[olive gazelle]

That's not the case at all honestly

It's been an issue that a couple of people have mentioned

She's unreasonably difficult for her tier
And it's because of the brothers

[exotic stag]

a couple.. literally a couple

[olive gazelle]

You are required to get adrenaline and rage to melt them before they melt you
Or you're dead

[exotic stag]

anyway i havent had any trouble with malice ccal at all..

so like

[olive gazelle]

What, on tier?

[exotic stag]

(insert what was said here)

[exotic stag]

yeah

rogue ccal on malice. on tier.

its not really that hard

[olive gazelle]

Malice Death?

[exotic stag]

i just said malice..

cause im not gonna difficulty mix.. thats just no

[olive gazelle]

Then wtf are you on about then

I'm talking about Malice and Death mode

[exotic stag]

(im telling you. you havent mastered ccal then)

(malice is not meant to be like "on tier post 1 tier" unless you've MASTERED the boss)

[olive gazelle]

No, she's just way unbalanced

[exotic stag]

or your just not good at the boss fight??

[exotic stag]

i mean literally. insert this here

[olive gazelle]

So you think that relying on rage and Adrenaline to melt the brothers before they melt you in good boss design?

It needs a rework

They are impossible to dodge / outrun

[exotic stag]

no. i didnt even need that

your just having a problem because you havent mastered.. once again

[olive gazelle]

You're playing a different mode

You're doing only malice

I've done Death AND Malice
Added together

Not separately

[olive gazelle]

That's a vastly different mode

"Bosses are still possible when fought on tier"

[exotic stag]

still possible but your gonna need to master them

[olive gazelle]

It's like arguing with a brick wall

It's bad fucking design

First off
It's impossible to no hit on that mode

[exotic stag]

why are you trying to nohit..

[olive gazelle]

On Tier

I'm not dips hit

I'm saying that it's impossible

[exotic stag]

(you wouldn't know without trying.)

[olive gazelle]

If it's impossible to properly master it
Then it's not designed well

[olive gazelle]

I've tried 200 times

[exotic stag]

its possible to master it. your just probably having a harder time then others

[olive gazelle]

It's an unfair fight

And anyone who's played the two modes together agrees with me on that

[exotic stag]

anyway since you seem to not care about anything im just saying. basically replying with "its just unbalanced" i'll just say @fossil finch go explain it to em. im tired

[olive gazelle]

It is unbalanced
It's impossible to no hit because of the movement and range of the brothers

CCal herself is fine
The brothers are not

They need to be reworked

I'm gonna fucking send out a bounty for someone to no hit CCal on tier then

Because it's not possible

If someone can legitimately prove that Death Malice CCal is possible on tier
Which means pre Plantera gear
50$

Do it
You won't

For every class I should add

Well actually
Nah

Just any class

[frozen mist]

This guy here did it, live too https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1213415140?t=00h40m15s

[hollow shell]

Jesus Christ
That guy gets up to 120mph in a world-sized arena in order to evade the brotehrs

Also @exotic stag I understand what you were trying to convey but you really did not help the situation
"I didn't have trouble with Malice Cal at all"

'Malice DEATH Cal?'

"Oh hell no I'm not trying that"

'Well Malice Death Cal is near-impossible'

"I guess you just haven't mastered the fight then"

Can definitely see why Foxy got angry at that

[olive gazelle]

Thank you

[olive gazelle]

Yeah, my issue with that is that it's not skill based at all

[gray nebula]

simply, dont play malice

✨ 🌸

[languid quartz]

Trueeee iban

[gray nebula]

it would be much easier , more fun and enjoyable, and less brain damaging than trying to argue agaisnt malice because you'll only really be met with "uhrr,r,, well its meant to bel ike that.. lol?"

[olive gazelle]

Can't argue with that

I understand why some people hate Calamity now

Some people seem to think that unfair = difficulty

[gray nebula]

kinda sadge that one silly difficulty mode is ruining the enjoyment of the whole mode for some ppl but idk if i can really blame em

ok now omw to suggest ,,, cool stuff. like makign challenge drops also drop while doing unique challenges in all modes 🤨 😳 . fight DS in the sunken sea for the dune hopper??? so awesome?

[grim tusk]

@ Cactoos claim $50

[uncut quiver]

malice DS on tier in the sunken sea, let’s go

[gray nebula]

no no,

in any mode

[uncut quiver]

Ik its just funny to think bout

[gray nebula]

so like u have m*lice for the sweat gamers (🤢) and fun challenges for the cool people (😎)

[uncut quiver]

yea figured

Curious to see what challenge conditions you make (I might take a crack at making some myself, sounds fun)

[glossy stone]

Oof, I forgot...

[olive gazelle]

Honestly, never thought of using my bundle of balloons again for the fight

[gray nebula]

i mean its just an idea that probably wouldnt even be accepted because it goes agaisnt the point of malice mode (thats the point of the idea tbh )

[uncut quiver]

Eris important question: if you do the challenge condition while in malice, would you get two challenge drops?

That’d be funny

Sadly yea it prob wouldn’t get added

[olive gazelle]

Thank you Absence for being extremely useful

[olive gazelle]

Odd, I'm using the exact same items and accessories, but my speed is much much slower

[languid quartz]

Buffs?

[olive gazelle]

All of em

[languid quartz]

Also maybe effigies and candles

Other then that idk

[olive gazelle]

Bundle of Balloons (The Sandstorm one) isn't accelerating me at all

I barely even reach 70mph

[languid quartz]

Are your accs reforged to quick?

[olive gazelle]

Yep

[languid quartz]

That’s the only other thing I can think of

[olive gazelle]

I can buy candles, but how tf am I supposed to get more than 1 corruption effigy?

[fossil finch]

Its called cheating

Oh also do you have wings equipped in any way

[olive gazelle]

Well no

I have harpy wings, as per the video

Which I'll use until the brothers are dead

But, considering I can't even get to 70mph

[fossil finch]

Maybe try sandstorm blj?
For that you need to get rid of your wings though, which is obviously not recommendable

[hollow shell]

Proficiency is the only possible additional factor I can think of, but I'm pretty sure its effects are minimal..

[fossil finch]

What proficency even boosts movement speed

[deft yew]

ranged proficiency gives speed

[fossil finch]

Also uh this us obvious but potions

[deft yew]

because ranger was boring enough already

[olive gazelle]

I have every potion

[fossil finch]

Then no idea

[olive gazelle]

I think by virtue of the fact that you need to cheat to no hit this boss is probably enough to warrant a rework

[deft yew]

ok could you maybe improve the reasoning on this

[gray venture]

cheating effigies =/= actual cheating

[deft yew]

not you dw

[hollow shell]

@coral musk Your reasoning sucks but also

[fossil finch]

Ore slimes

dies

[gray venture]

we need moar!

[olive gazelle]

auric sloime

[olive gazelle]

If it's impossible to beat the mode in 1 world, then there's an issue imo

[gray venture]

https://youtu.be/iXzsvIIjDW0 heres another person whos done it without effigies

[olive gazelle]

Lazinator lmao

There's 6 effigies at his spawn point wym no effegies

Oh

Fountains

[small timber]

and all of them use the sandstorm jump to get a speed that is not reasonably obtainable usually

brothers having absurd speed is fine, the flamethrower range is not fine

[gray venture]

yeah the flamethrower is too much I agree

[olive gazelle]

What's weird is that I'm just not getting that speed

[small timber]

@olive gazelle speed is arguable, because you can (somewhat) reasonably dodge the charges with dashes + slime mount, but flamethrower range is just

I am talking "reasonable" set up

[olive gazelle]

Yeah, it's 99% the flamethrower which is fucked

Seventy-two

That's my max speed, 72

Idk what I'm doing wrong then, or if there's some jank acceleration calculation going on

What's doubly weird is that I remember for Desert Scourge, I was getting up to 83 mph

[slate turtle]

Take the wings off of vanity

It screws your jump

[olive gazelle]

I'm sorry

It what

[slate turtle]

Yeah it's bugge

[small timber]

ok then it makes the case even more valid if it requires a strategy that "maybe bugged" to dodge the brothers

[slate turtle]

lmao

[hollow shell]

Wow

[gray venture]

redcode?

[hollow shell]

I don't know what's going wrong to cause that to happen

if it's our code or redcode

[small timber]

just my assumption probably something to do with MS boost giving jump speed now

and wings are coded in some weird way

[olive gazelle]

I am...going to contemplate

[hollow shell]

A quick CTRL-F doesn't bring anything up in the Bugs doc
so you can report it in #bugs-read-pins I think

[olive gazelle]

Well I should probably see if it happens without mods first

[hollow shell]

True

[robust lava]

Saved me typing it

[small timber]

also what even are the effigies/fountain they are using in the nohit runs?

[small timber]

like this one

[gray venture]

wdym

[small timber]

oh sorry just wanted to tag the attachment, accidently tagged the message

[olive gazelle]

It seems to be a Terraria bug

It's very hard to test, because really slow move speed

But I seem to average at a bit higher speed without the wings in vanity

RED, YOU PRICK

[hollow shell]

God

[olive gazelle]

So, do we think a brother flamethrower rework is a good idea?

Considering...the following

Or the above rather

[hollow shell]

The brothers are going to be reworked in the future anyway

[olive gazelle]

Sick

[small timber]

from personal experience it need a rework, it is the most broken aspect of the fight that get way overtuned

[hollow shell]

Near-ish future

[small timber]

just that at least shorter flamethrower for now

[olive gazelle]

Take that you "But malice is supposed to be hard" fuckers

[hollow shell]

To coincide with the visual rework Supreme Calamitas and her bros got
cept the Clone bros will actually behave functionally different too

[olive gazelle]

Nice

[small timber]

I think just focus on the "shorter flamethrower" argument, since most Malice bosses have super-sonic speed already anyway

since it is the main thing causing all problems

[olive gazelle]

Yeah

[brazen raptor]

@olive gazelle can op out to use green horseshoe balloon vs BoB as that actually works w/ wings

found that only sandstorm and I think tsunami are affected by bug after clearing

[grim tusk]

i wonder why people ask so much about Earth Elemental being in HotE as he's the only one left despite Granite, Cosmic and Ice elementals also being left out

also whats your opinion on "Reworked Chill water", might make a sugg about it

[frail mantle]

because earth ele is a full miniboss, while the others are just random enemies

[gray nebula]

and because earth ele actually fits in line with the others

[north plank]

it’s a big ol elemental

[grim tusk]

on another note i have seen some pre-hm enemies (specially jelly fish) take out incredible speeds and rather than swimming launching themselves, death mode?

[ashen warren]

help is it a bug or is it that I have to kill a boss all over the world does not come out mithril or adamantite

[grim tusk]

not a bug

thats the reworked hm progression

WoF now spawns cobalt and palladium

1st mech is mythril and ori

2nd mech is adam and titanium

3rd is hallowed ore

[ashen warren]

the first is the twins right?

[grim tusk]

any mech

kill a mech to have the ore spawn

then the mechs will get buffed

repeat

then final mech has original stats

[ashen warren]

thank you thank you very much!

[half sage]

imo it's better for surface ice biome but can make underground ice annoying, especially if you end up cutting into an ice biome while making a hellavator

[ashen warren]

Why tho.

[hollow shell]

@opal mirage You need to include a reason with your suggestion
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[fossil finch]

Me when the

Me when the readding removed features

[hollow shell]

byeah this would completely defeat the point of us removing bags from Arma in the first place

cuz it made farming infinite money incredibly easy

Oh, weird, I didn't know that DoG P2's spawn time got changed

[fossil finch]

(Its not a violin but fine sugg

Wait now

Now that i remember

[hollow shell]

It used to be synced up

[fossil finch]

I think there is a violin

Byeah it not being synced up sounds like a bug

Or an oversight

[hollow shell]

https://youtu.be/RdJ34K434Ss?t=481
https://youtu.be/EpnSgXHb-Lg?t=109

two post-1.5 videos

@runic sluice Is this what you're experiencing too?

Or are you hearing a different music sync in-game?

[runic sluice]

Let me look rn

That’s not at all what I’m experiencing

Weird

For me DoG is spawning right when the calm pluck part starts

[hollow shell]

Are you playing in Multiplayer

[runic sluice]

I was in single player when I tested it

[hollow shell]

Okay that is strange then

[runic sluice]

I was on 64 bit multi with my friend and Universal Collapse never played but that’s probably 64 bits fault

So I went into normal tmod single player

And I was having the issue I mentioned

[hollow shell]

When you say "DoG is spawning", do you mean the shining portal appears or that he immediately spawns?

[runic sluice]

I think he immediately spawns but I could be wrong

[hollow shell]

If you can get a video that would be good

[runic sluice]

I’ll get ingame and check it out yeah

[runic sluice]

@hollow shell

https://medal.tv/games/terraria/clips/73920862/d1337CkNfzMy?invite=cr-MSxSU3csMjQzMDA1OTMs

i have no clue why it's suddenly working now

yesterday 2nd phase was spawning right when Universal Collapse started playing

today it's working perfectly as intended

[hollow shell]

Very strange

At least the problem seems to be resolved now?

[runic sluice]

yep

sucks that it doesn't work in 64bit but then again most things dont lol

[crude geode]

#suggestions-posting message
Surprised no one has mentioned the fact that Brimflame is more of a Clonelamitas armor than a Brimmy Armor set

[hollow shell]

I did

tell them that

@glossy stone Are you going to edit your suggestion or...?

[torn crown]

Has there been any sent sugg's ever since

[grim tusk]

no

theres a close one to make scarfs protect against cold

[fossil finch]

Acidwood furniture is now officially submitted and accepted

This is a win for the 80 different people who have suggested so

[uncut quiver]

Dub

now we must get the counter scarf cold protection in

[gilded surge]

I have a small suggestion

We need a "Check the Wiki" emoji in this server

[hollow shell]

Yeah sure I can casually send that to the mods

(in a bit)

[fossil finch]

Counterargument: it is a dev weapo

[hollow shell]

Blounterargument: Make a summon item for Armored Digger instead