suggestions-discussion

[deft yew]

...but just use omniscience potion itself lol

[cobalt pewter]

it feels too restricting for what seems to be rogue's global mechanic that applies on all rogue weapons

[deft yew]

especially considering how npcs sell potions

[cobalt pewter]

though I probably won't suggest it if devs already had plans

just like how I won't really sugg for stealth rogue buffs since its balancing is still underway

[deft yew]

Exempla gratia: Cosmilite Booster

[cobalt pewter]

stealth rogue in phm does need to be rebalanced tho, sticky spiky balls and tracking disk completely shred phm no issues

[crude geode]

It’s also worse than omniscience

Mainly because Omniscience primary uses are spelunker+projectile highlighting, and chaos amulet already handles the former

Also if you’re using astral you’re losing out on platinum’s mining speed bonuses lol

#suggestions-discussion message
@hollow shell Do you have an explanation for this?

[hollow shell]

Uh, yeah
They were a full year apart

[crude geode]

How peculiar

[hollow shell]

As for the reasoning, no idea

I can see if I can find any

On the more recent one:

Note that it got more upvotes on the old instance than it got downvotes in the new instance

7-1 old, 0-3 new

(Also, those Souls of Might never did end up getting removed)

[crude geode]

It kinda doesn’t fit cobalt gear tho tbfh? Cobalt is the stat boost mode set when compared to palladium. I get the color scheme thing but that doesn’t mean every single blue accessory should have cobalt in it’s recipe.

But as long as souls of might get removed that should be more okay (even though it’s kinda egregious in comparison to magic quiver but ¯_(ツ)_/¯)

[hollow shell]

If the Might got removed I'd say it'd be pretty much equal to Quiver's recipe

[river glen]

is moab good now?

i heard its good

it just feels so hard to control

[hollow shell]

Considering the suggestion in #suggestions-posting I must assume it's worse than before?

[river glen]

apperantly?

maybe cuz it was used to jump stack

and now jump stack was nerfed its no longer as good?

idk the exact reason

[crude geode]

Magic Quiver is both easier to obtain (just use Zerg potion to farm skele archers, compared to just waiting for lucky merchant) and is avaliable later in progression. It’d be like if feral claws were only obtainable in hm.

[cobalt pewter]

how bad would a sugg to make ancient bone dust and plain bone inter-craftable with Bone Welder be?

bones and Bone Welder are already post skelly, so you can't really abuse it by making bones pre skelly

[ashen warren]

would a sugg like make shield of cthulhu's dash identical to aegis shields make it way too op?

[hollow shell]

As in the slam would pierce? People would hate that

And if you mean dash distance, yeah there is no reason to do that

early-PreHM acc versus mid-Hardmode acc

[hollow shell]

I guess you could suggest that

I don't see a whole lot of reason

but

you could

[river glen]

i mean why? it could just be nerfed

again

[ashen warren]

pierce and give you iframes at the same time

[hollow shell]

Nah nah

[ashen warren]

yeah sounds too op

[hollow shell]

The bounce is what makes Shield of Cthulhu be Shield of Cthulhu

[river glen]

yeah...

[lost agate]

It is actually the og shield for running into things to i-frame thru em

And well the inconvience of bouncing back is esentially what makes it the pre-hm option now

So yeah no need

[hollow shell]

I wouldn't even call it an inconvenience

Just a difference

s'not really better or worse than a piercing dash

[lost agate]

Eh i guess it depends on the situation tbf

[hollow shell]

Indeed.

[lost agate]

Not sure where the piercing dash gets inconvient since i havent tried the new dash with i-frames yet (will soon) but i do have bounced back into a hit with SoC so it defo can be an inconvenience

[hollow shell]

If you pierce dash into a boss with a large hitbox you can end up inside the boss
like Ravager or Levi

But a bounce dash will keep you safe as long as the boss isn't moving straight towards you

[lost agate]

Ooooh, yeah good point

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message found this old one right before i was gonna repost it

3 more

[ruby plover]

woah thats a cool suggestion

giving purpose to proficiency in a different way

[grim tusk]

Are there any issues? If not then im going to bed

And i got another idea…

Why so late

Anyways Auric rogue weapon?

Consumable shuriken/boomerang hybrid

An upgrade to gilded/gleaming dagger?

Auric ball?

[gray nebula]

I fail to see how this would give purpose to anything lol...

I mean ig it's neat extra stuff but not exactly anything more. also don't suggest auric rogue stuff we have got it covered

[grim tusk]

Add an auric weapon for rogue
Rogue atm has only 2 options post-Yharon to use on the bosses both being drops.
Adding a weapon would add some more options and versatility rather than having to return to previous tier for that purpose or try to optimize as much with either wrathwing’s low skill ceiling, homing and mediocre dmg or the high skill ceiling, mobility and short range of final dawn. Adding something in between the two would give rogue a weapon that it can reliably use and having rogue spend auric bars on stuff other than the summoning items for the bosses before they fall.

To the scrap pile i guess

[tardy smelt]

||:3||

[grim tusk]

Yea something i thought of while seeing the npc’s interactions while wanting to see if they said anything about Scal npc

Something neat

But pointless

[gray nebula]

actually I am. experiencing dementia

I forgot what rogue weapons were gonna add

uhh

uhhh

[grim tusk]

Auric/Exo ball?
Exaline?

That one you actually showed off the sprite in the now archived drae talk

[gray nebula]

lol. lol

. lol

[grim tusk]

But for auric i do not know anything

[cobalt pewter]

the

exo dagger

Iirc

[gray nebula]

it's litterally just a wip of the exo prism

[grim tusk]

Bruh

[gray nebula]

with an added blade and crossguard+handle

lmao

trolled..

[grim tusk]

Auric crystaline would be cool tho

Since exaline is non existent

Well

[keen zealot]

[hollow shell]

Yep!

[ruby plover]

too many people have ideas

[glossy stone]

that.

Crystaline should get more upgrades imo

[cobalt pewter]

each subclass of rogue weapons should have an exo tree tbh

how is it that rogue only has 2 (maybe 3 with exalline soontm) exo weapons

meanwhile melee hogs everything

[glossy stone]

Summoner has 1 exo weapon too lmao

[ashen warren]

rogue has 2

[cobalt pewter]

yeah personally I would've wanted to see an overhead summon for exo, but it might feel a bit too close to saros in terms of progression

[glossy stone]

I mean

Sirius is pre-DoG

Saros is pre-Yharon

[ashen warren]

ranger has 3 exo weapon

why

[keen zealot]

and melee has...

[ashen warren]

2

[cobalt pewter]

iirc

11

right?

unless i dum

[ashen warren]

10

[cobalt pewter]

10, still quite a lot

[ashen warren]

and why ranger has 3 exo weapons

summoner has 1

[glossy stone]

Kinda goes with how some Elemental weapons have no upgrades

Flowers of Mortality + Elemental Blaster

[ashen warren]

different class ?

[frail mantle]

Melee has two Exo weapons and around fifteen thousand auric weapons

[ashen warren]

nah just exo

[frail mantle]

Also what’s ranger’s third Exo weapon

There’s Gale and Magnomaly but I don’t think there are any others

(Unless you count Draedon drops as Exo)

[ashen warren]

magnomaly cannon?

that one rocket launcher

[frail mantle]

Gale and magnomaly yes

That’s two

[ashen warren]

and photov

[frail mantle]

Oh right photo

I forgor

[ashen warren]

Photoviscerator

a flamethrower which got nerfed to obvilion

[frail mantle]

I am aware

[ripe owl]

beeping noise is irritating my eardrums
Lower the volume of sounds or the whole game

What's the fucking problem

[ashen warren]

his name is BotBrain

[ripe owl]

Beeping was added as a telegraph for the attack change, why would devs delete it?

[ripe owl]

More like RotBrain

[ashen warren]

oh and btw

did the reaper tooth get remove from abyssal crate

[ripe owl]

Maybe

Maybe devs thought "No, they need to fight this miniboss to get that material or else it's not fun!"

[ashen warren]

oh

so he just wasted 31 crates

and the wiki isnt updated yet

[ripe owl]

I don't know if it is actually removed or not

[ashen warren]

hmm

[cobalt pewter]

maybe check changelogs first before asking something that might've been changed in the update, just saying

[crude geode]

Indeed

[crude geode]

Ah yes that is why this type of suggestion was not only allowed into voting but also approved by devs #suggestions-voting message

[ripe owl]

I don't get your point

I might be dumb

Like yeah I understand that some sounds might be louder than the rest of the scene

[crude geode]

People are allowed to hear more than one thing at once. Especially if they want to hear the actual music while they fight and NOT JUST the beeping. Another reason to lower the beeping volume specifically is because it’s too loud on it’s own. Certain sound effects of weapons are lowered because they drown out everything else. The beeping might be the same for this person.

[frail mantle]

i'd say the wording is a bit odd but it's definitely a valid suggestion

[crude geode]

Yeah

The wording of “remove” is a bit excessive but changing it is completely fine

[stable wedge]

I wanted to make an "AS spawner moved to anvil" suggestion #1838284 but just checking, are T2 acid rain drops balanced around post 1 mech or something

[prisma flicker]

#suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

@shell tusk that's 1) not a suggestion and 2) you can't get items by donating anymore

[shell tusk]

aw

ok

well I suggest they add it? Suggestion now ?

[ashen warren]

No you can't suggest adding specific items like that

[shell tusk]

hm ok then

what if I suggest they add a summon post dog that uses squirrel staff

[ashen warren]

Too specific, you COULD suggest making the squirrel staff be used in a later recipe so it isn't just discarded as soon as you get another summon

That would be the closest

[shell tusk]

ok that’s good enough. I just want it to exist sometime later in the game

That isn’t your first minion o my

Only

[ashen warren]

Ye

uh

[ripe owl]

It is not changed

You just added additional text

That ain't how it works you stupid

[tardy smelt]

This is uh an Specific Item Suggestion ergo a don't

[glossy stone]

This is one of the worst suggestions I've seen, writing wise.

[worn salmon]

has the same vibe as the servant of Cthulhu suggestion

[hardy dock]

How is this suggestion not marked as a Don’t

[ashen warren]

@shell tusk don't add it at the end

Delete your original text and replace it with the new suggestion

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message 10 more

[weak field]

I have

I wanted to say I've seen worse suggestions

But I may be wrong

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message 1 more

[ashen warren]

Smh

Advertising

[torn crown]

I think that's going to happen in a a later patch

[ashen warren]

[torn crown]

S. Jewel buff sugg

Finally

[torn crown]

Also I think they have some plans about fleshing out the funny Astral biome in the next-ish major update

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message 3 more

#suggestions-voting message this one is 🏁

[torn crown]

Holy shit
Momentum capacitor sugg finally not being ignored #suggestions-voting message

(kinda needs 21 more but it has never been this close for a rework M. Capacitor sugg )

[grim tusk]

Thats the only sugg i aint reposting

Cuz no one payed attention

(Until now for some reason, 30 votes is a significant increase)

[fossil finch]

We need a mod for that

[cobalt pewter]

since rover isn't around

@zenith hazel #suggestions-posting message

banish 🙏

[deft yew]

One lunar kunai sells for 24 copper

[distant gyro]

^ @fossil robin update your mod

[fossil robin]

https://youtu.be/DnA38g1D6MM

Then what is this video?

[distant gyro]

it's fixed in 1.5.0.002

[fossil robin]

Ah, ok.

[torn crown]

I think we can ping the owner to tell about item commissions + sugg don'ts

[hot zephyr]

Exhumed Squirrel Staff my beloved

[ashen warren]

[fossil finch]

third sugg about this since release

me when they

[hollow shell]

How many suggs are we gonna get about Daedalus and Cryonic Ore

Jesus

[fossil finch]

if it wasn't because there's already another 50 suggs drowning them they'd be drowning themselves

[dapper coral]

well i guess it says something about how people feel about current cryonic ore progression

[fossil finch]

loud minority

[ashen warren]

It is pretty silly that you spawn a new ore but you can't mine it

[fossil finch]

Make it always exist and be found on special structures that tie it with daedalous

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-voting message @outer crane 3 days ago

[outer crane]

ah kk

accidentaly spoke it damn it

[hollow shell]

Also a Flak Kraken rework would be pretty cool
havin to lock onto a target for a certain amount of time to shoot a HUGE munition at them

It's weird that current Flak Kraken doesn't even try to create the illusion that you're firing at the cursor reticle

It's just the reticle dealing damage

"Fires an energy reticle that becomes more powerful over time"

Big disagree on this suggestion, I feel that Miracle Matter should be reserved as the Exo weapon crafting material

but that's me

[fossil finch]

It should

The whole point of shadowspec is to be available immediately after the last (in this case last two) boss in progression
There's no need to lock it behind miracle matter

The argument of big recipe, which is also the only "reason" this sugg is using also doesn't work

Because it's two materials and there's no direct equivalence in costs

[hollow shell]

(three materials)

[fossil finch]

I mean two because they're asking to replace auric bar and exo prism

[hot zephyr]

It's all fun and games until we have to nerf Daedalus armor to be a sidegrade to Mythril because people don't want to use a different armor set for the first time in three years.

[fossil finch]

Rework it

Win

Iirc

[languid quartz]

Jav could you format it

[fossil torrent]

what if i didn't

[languid quartz]

Damn

[fossil torrent]

oh wait do you have to

damn

[languid quartz]

Weeping atm

[gray nebula]

[fossil torrent]

there are you happy

:Javyz:

[uncut quiver]

yea it seems like a big complaint rn is with cryonic ore being spawnable but not mineable until later

[hollow shell]

@fossil torrent (Haven't you made suggestions before?)
You need a reason

[fossil torrent]

oh my fucking god is that not obvious

fine

THERE

[hollow shell]

Yes that is better because I did not, in fact, know that Solar Armor's dash took priority over accessory dashes

And I'm willing to bet many other people also did not know that

[fossil torrent]

sure does!

[hollow shell]

By explaining your issue, you're increasing the chances that people will upvote your suggestion

[uncut quiver]

explain it to the readers like they don’t know much outside the absolute surface level

it helps

Imma go read the current cryonic ore suggs and see if any offer a solution similar to what I’m thinking

[safe oasis]

wait i distinctly remember asgards valor overwriting solar dash at one point

though that was last update and idk if anything changed

[fossil torrent]

even if it isn't, i want to dash a lot without the dashes being inconsistent

[river glen]

vrej... solar flare has one of the longest dashes

i dont see why its bad

its litterally the longest

one of the*

[grim tusk]

Outdated lol

[river glen]

how outdated is it?

i didnt think some dashes got that big of nerfs

[grim tusk]

2 patches

[river glen]

or buffs...

[fossil torrent]

his point still stands, it is long

but i don't want it because of inconsistency. i want my dash to always be the same length

[river glen]

jesus fuck? what changes

[grim tusk]

Asgardian aegis buffed
Elysian nerfed
Cryo lore doesnt exist
Ornate shield
CS slight buff to dash (i think)
Something prob happened to deep diver

[fossil torrent]

(are you gonna remove the ❗ or)

[river glen]

expand on it?

other than a 5 words

[fossil torrent]

why the fuck am I even trying

[hollow shell]

Maybe you could come back to try when you're in a better mood?

[fossil torrent]

at least we won the bruh wars

[shell tusk]

Ok

[zealous oriole]

there’s no title ^^

[shell tusk]

Ok how do I do that

[eternal escarp]

edit your message

put a title at the start

then use Shift+Enter to make a line break

[zealous oriole]

You just need to sum up your suggestion in one sentence, so people at a glance can see what it’s about
Then the body text underneath the title is your reasoning and any facts that would support your argument

[eternal escarp]

when hovering on your message, this is the edit button

also you need to give proper reasoning other then "itd be cool"

[zealous oriole]

Suggestions should add something to the universal player experience or the quality/content of the mod that makes sense to everyone, not just you for your preferences!

[eternal escarp]

(all you did was change "itd be cool" to "itd make sense" which is pretty much the exact same thing )

[shell tusk]

But like. It has a reason on why it would make sense

[eternal escarp]

personally i dont see it making much sense tbh
just because its supposedly the "early weapon" doesnt always mean it needs a late game upgrade

wulfrum gear doesnt upgrade, neither do ore bows usually

[zealous oriole]

“It only does one thing and I want it to do more things later” is not a reason, nor a natural leap in logic for everyone

[eternal escarp]

throwing bricks get upgraded yes, but to Apoctolith, which is post CClone (iirc)

[zealous oriole]

Sometimes things can just be used for a little bit and tossed. It’s money.

[eternal escarp]

the only real example of this is Copper Shortsword, and thats only in JE

otherwise im pretty sure this almost doesnt happen in Calamity, nontheless nothing this big of a leap

so itd make less sense to exist, atleast to me

[shell tusk]

Ok I gues

[eternal escarp]

(aka, you should prolly address this because "it'd make sense" doesn't hold much ground)

[hot zephyr]

.

[fossil finch]

That implies it exists

[fair ledge]

Big fan of the Moab buff sugg. The Moab is one of my favourite items in the mod but its dogshit

[sleek wadi]

Squirrel Staff upgrade thats even more unreliable than pre-patch Squirrel Staff but can potentially deal the highest DPS. Name it dimensional interloper because yes

[hot zephyr]

MOAB is actually really good for post-mech wings smh

[fair ledge]

it used to be good but in 1.5 it feels totally outclassed by all other wings

[hot zephyr]

My dumb concept I had awhile back was to literally just... melt the squirrels down into a fleshy abomination that grew the more slots you gave it.

[deft yew]

MOAB was already awkward to use but now it's even more restrictive

[hot zephyr]

in 1.5 it got a pretty huge buff, it's really good

[deft yew]

it lost jump speed while wings gained all kind of jump speed

[deft yew]

wait what

i saw it got increased jump speed

which appears to be a lie

[hot zephyr]

#changelogs message

it wasn't

[deft yew]

hm

[hot zephyr]

it's probably one of the best wings for its tier, people just undervalue it

[fair ledge]

I tried using it in 1.5 but I switched to Harpy wings after a few bosses

I could only get away with using it for some of the mechs

It was really bad for Calclone, Plantera, Golem, Levi, Fishron and everything past that

I think renaming Calamitas to something like "Calamitas' Clone" after you beat it once is a good idea but the point of calling it "Calamitas" is to surprise a new player

i think

[eternal escarp]

i remember somewhere from a dev (?) before that the name Supreme Calamitas would stay likely because it was iconic, but idk if the opinion is still like that among the mod devs

[fossil finch]

Fun fact; yeah it's the point 👍

[fair ledge]

Lets go I was right

[fossil finch]

What

Im talking about the current sugg

[fair ledge]

Same

[fair ledge]

this

[fossil finch]

Rift in reality

[deft yew]

me when the only explanation for a retcon is "reality machine broke"

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren The reason why they are named that way is to be a "fake out"
Calamitas's death message says "The Calamitas Clone has been defeated", it's like a reveal

Just wanna make that clear to combat all the "makes no sense" in your suggestion

That's the reason why.

[frail mantle]

yea it's to make newer players beat the boss and go "oh shit if that's a clone what's the real thing like"

[ashen warren]

Yes, yes, I get your point. However, the spriters are (supposedly) working on concept art for a new sprite for 'Calamitas' to be more like a clone of the real thing. To make more sense. I understand that it's meant to be a reveal and I applaud that, but it simply makes more sense.

I'm sorry if I don't get the point, but I just feel this way.

[fair ledge]

Well new players might not know what real Calamitas looks like but I get your point

[fossil finch]

Making the sprite actually resemble a clone would only help their points though

Specially because of the idea of a wacky zany fake in cinematic thingy at spawn

[ashen warren]

This could be used on top of renaming 'Supreme' Calamitas to simply Calamitas once the clone has been defeated in Boss Checklist or something, but that might take a lot of effort on the dev's part.

[hollow shell]

You should at least acknowledge the devs' intention of creating a fake-out in your suggestion's reason

[fossil finch]

Ultimate counter argument reasons in:
Rename everything saying clone pre clone to say calamitas
Make scal boss checklist entry appear after clone is defeated, make the entry not state it is a clone (former is possible and wouldn't hurt at all now that calclone's obligatory to fight cal anyways

Works better than throwing away what the devs intended for no real reason, i think

[ashen warren]

did it ping

[fair ledge]

nope

[hollow shell]

If you edit a user mention into a message, it won't give them a ping notification, but it'll highlight the message yellow for them

[ashen warren]

nice

I'm reworking it because why not

rework complete

The rework of my suggestion for the discord server known as Calamity Mod Discord has reached its completion.

[hollow shell]

Sure that suggestion is fine

[cobalt pewter]

exactly the vibes I was trying to explain yeah

would be miles more interesting than whatever Flak Kraken is doing rn

[gray nebula]

there were more enchants in the doc that we left out but i mean like, like, like

6 out of 12 is just half of them so yeah i guess but also its not that many all things considered

[formal laurel]

yeah i Didn't read the doc, sry about that

[gray nebula]

no no

the doc is a private developer doc lol

[formal laurel]

Ok at this point i think i'm just stupid

[fossil finch]

Ok but like

It is kinda

The point

[deft yew]

Just fix the voodoo demon spawn rate

Like seriously it’s still much too high imo

[left elbow]

I'm wondering if Giant Clam should get a summon item

because if you don't want to fish grinding its drops can be hell

plus it has a map icon just like Great Sand Shark, and GSS has a summon item and is even listed in boss checklist as Clam is.

[hollow shell]

Yeah sure it could get a summon item

Make Amidias sell it or summin

[left elbow]

yeah

Or it could be crafted with Sea Prisms

since it's Post-DS anyways

I'll make the suggestion

Maybe just have its summon available in Hardmode

since that's when you really should be grinding Giant Clams

anything that cuts down on time spent fishing is an improvement in my book

@idle goblet remember the formatting for suggestion posting

so it can be recognized by the bot or something

[idle goblet]

My bad

[hollow shell]

It is formatted correctly

[idle goblet]

Oh really?

Bitchin

[hollow shell]

On my end it appears to be, yeah

People like to bold their top lines

but it is optional.

[idle goblet]

[left elbow]

Legit didn't know lol

i'll still do it just didn't know it was optional

[hollow shell]

s'fine

[deft yew]

would mention where the gauss nuke even comes from (ares) but otherwise looks good

[ripe owl]

I appear here way too often

Is it always a case for the new update that there is a lot of suggs?

[hollow shell]

@tawny frost ^

And
This is the biggest explosion of suggestions I've seen I think
which makes sense because this has been the longest period of time in between updates

[ripe owl]

Makes sense

[tawny frost]

Alr fixed

Good enough?

[deft yew]

seems alr

[hollow shell]

Yeah better

[tawny frost]

Im hoping for the approval lmao

Or eh

[silver silo]

Has there been suggestions about changing shadow armour thatve been denied

[deft yew]

like vanilla shadow armor?

i mean it's good defense and 21% melee speed

then again, molten armor gives true melee dmg

in cal

[silver silo]

Compared to crimson armour though

All class vs one class

[deft yew]

crimson also gives the funny regen

shadow is like entirely outclassed by molten bc cal gives it 20%(?) true melee dmg

[silver silo]

[deft yew]

now wait a minute!

shadow armor also gives like 20% movement speed

[silver silo]

Is that worth vs life regen

[deft yew]

or less than that in which case it should have more

[deft yew]

in many cases yes

[silver silo]

Sadly it’s 15% movement speed

[deft yew]

ok that could use a minor buff

completely fair since sepulcher's benefits gotta outweigh it attacking its owner somehow

[unique reef]

yeah, but it also it will pretty much never attack you if you use other minions

[deft yew]

does that have to do with the brimstone hearts somehow?

like do other minions kill them or do they take up slots

[unique reef]

no the other minions are really good at killing them

[deft yew]

dang good to know

no way to stop bros from attacking you though, right?

just gotta be careful with em?

[unique reef]

yeah

byeah, the darts can't attack mobs outside my castle and it's pain

Especially since this is where i live

[unique reef]

it can't attack anything that's outside unless it's in melee mode

[deft yew]

definitely agreed

if you're in a really high difficulty it makes every attempt arduous

[gray nebula]

.Mm;;;

but also itd suck 😭

hate towards boring summon items

[unique reef]

well, it would be less boring if its darts could penetrate walls

[gray nebula]

im talking about the suggestion in #suggestions-posting !!! ! ;exc

❗

[silver silo]

don't get me wrong I prefer cooler ways to summon bosses but

if it aint broke dont fix it

if you wanted to make things a bit more interesting, have it be a summon item for ??? instead so you at least keep that part of the natural spawn

[unique reef]

ohh

[gray nebula]

actually its broke

if you check out vanilla a lot of bosses have cooler summoning methods that arent just stupit crafts

vanilla does it very well in fact, because a new player could naturally stumble upon most bosses fishron excluded without trying that hard

[silver silo]

and what does calamity do about those bosses

[gray nebula]

calamity... bad

[silver silo]

TRUE

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/907720563055792170.png?size=96

did you just argue with a dev 😲

[gray nebula]

🤬

moderators ban this user IMMEDIATELY!!!

also please dont do that,

headcanon destroyer

it was a joke dont worry

ue ue ue

[silver silo]

[gray nebula]

in the end.. i was the destroyer

[cobalt pewter]

I think having the summoner post their defeat like Hive Mind or Perf can be nice

Don't think Ana and Levi have any kinda materials locked behind them

but a summoning item which use is blocked until you defeat them is fine enough for farming purposes

[silver silo]

thats true, although it doesnt rectify the problem of people trying to defeat them off tier

[cobalt pewter]

let them suffer

[silver silo]

[cobalt pewter]

they're going in knowing the fact anyways

I'd give a pass to basic-ish summoning items if it's for farming purposes

like Deus with Starcore

[silver silo]

what if the summoning item drops from ??? itself

[tawny frost]

@hollow shell i wanna ask smth

[cobalt pewter]

that should work too methinks

wait

???

nah probably not ???

[tawny frost]

Does #suggestions-posting remove all the messages in one specific day after having chosen all suitable suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

it'd be too easy to just kill ??? and use the spawner to casually spawn the two pre hm

which is stupid

[silver silo]

yeah but

supposing it was a rare drop

[tawny frost]

Like i cant see the past messasges anymore

[hollow shell]

It removes each suggestion 24 hours after each suggestion was posted

[silver silo]

only people who WANT to fight them consistently pre hm would bother

[hollow shell]

They are either transferred to voting or, if they have ❗, deleted

Each one has their own counter

[cobalt pewter]

I very much don't like locking it that way

it still implies that it's technically obtainable way early on

[silver silo]

if ??? drops the summon item rarely, then new players would still have to encounter the boss naturally first, and only people actually looking to fight it reliably off tier would make the effort to farm ??? for said item right

[tawny frost]

I see so each suggestion has 24 hours for considering

[silver silo]

[tawny frost]

Got it

[hollow shell]

Yeah, to theoretically ensure that everybody has a chance to see it regardless of time zones

[cobalt pewter]

Personally I'd rather have the spawner for these two be locked behind their kill / treasure bag

[silver silo]

...both?

[cobalt pewter]

making the spawner's purpose purely for post-kill farming or attempts

[silver silo]

1% ??? drop or crafted with post levi mats

[cobalt pewter]

ehhhh

I still don't like the rare ??? drop

[silver silo]

fair

[cobalt pewter]

you can't access AS' spawner early in any way, despite the boss being available all the time

that's what I'm basing this on kinda

a mix of AS and Deus for references

[silver silo]

uhh you can't make AS summon item any time?

I thought you could

oh its HM anvil

🤔

[cobalt pewter]

mhm HM anvil

dune hopper is good you say?

I have a bit of time to go back into cal rn I think

after I eat I might try slapping malice DS

[lost agate]

(As a side note to my suggestion i do am aware i can just exit world and re enter to despawn him but it'd still be nice for commodity)

[hot zephyr]

@grim tusk Not relevant to anything in #suggestions-posting but the NPC proficiency dialogue might be one of the most creative suggestions in recent months

[cobalt pewter]

....I just realized I wrote those messages above in the wrong server

oh well

[hot zephyr]

[cobalt pewter]

proggers

[hot zephyr]

feedza fail

[grim tusk]

Idk why but sometimes i get good ideas at bad times, thankfully that time i was able to write it down

[torn crown]

Epico

[grim tusk]

Also thx

[ripe owl]

I can't understand shrimp's suggestion

[keen zealot]

#suggestions-voting message
should this sugg get the 🏁 now that it's been put in the changelogs?
38 - Magic Mirror teleports are only disabled if the player has the Boss Effects buff. - Done ✅

[ripe owl]

Idk probably not because it's not the same thing

New changelog means that they now can be used outside of the boss

The suggestion suggests to delete the effect completely at least in a form of a config

They are not the same

insert a picture of Giancarlo Esposito

[hollow shell]

Sorry, what happens when you drag Anahita out of the ocean?

[torn crown]

It says that.... It doesn't enrage?

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren

[torn crown]

Somehow??

[sand umbra]

aren't A&L supposed to go sicko mode if you go too far ashore

or did that change

[cobalt pewter]

@hardy harness needs explanation

and I am not sure what the reason is

[hardy harness]

Like, just having the Repair unit critter as a pet. I don't really have an explicit reason other than the fact that I love the repair unit, so I don't think it's a good suggestion.

[cobalt pewter]

so yeah, I'm not sure how legit the sugg would be, but

@hollow idol Repair Unit pet for CalVal perhaps

👀

[hardy harness]

Maybe, sorry that the suggestion wasn't too legit

[cobalt pewter]

it's fine, you can refer to the other suggestions in posting if you wanna know how to write some

[potent veldt]

Repair Unit is a pet in CalVal already

[cobalt pewter]

oh?

@hardy harness there you have it

get Calamity's Vanities mod

[hardy harness]

Oh

Thanks

[hollow idol]

https://terrariamods.fandom.com/wiki/Calamity's_Vanities/Repurposed_Monitor
Charletron.,..,

[dapper coral]

didnt this get fixed

[ashen warren]

1.5.0.2?

[cobalt pewter]

p sure it should be fixed now uea

yea

[dapper coral]

make sure your mod is updated ig

[ashen warren]

🧍‍♂️

[hollow idol]

yeah it got fixed

[torn crown]

What was fixed?

[cobalt pewter]

Lunar Kunai price

[thin moon]

Hopefully this is the right channel, but do the devs plan on doing another tier list for the weapons again like they did last year?

[cobalt pewter]

tier list?

[torn crown]

I don't think so

[torn crown]

The one on the YT channel

[distant gyro]

no

[ruby plover]

That would take like. 24 hours at this point

[thin moon]

I would think it’d just be the new stuff but fair point

[ruby plover]

oh true i guess

they still ain't tho

[small timber]

just curious does anyone else find fighting ceaseless void incredibly annoying? just because of the fact that it moves around a bit too much

feels like a "teleport" type of movement will fit much better than it just moving around randomly and make it feels like sometimes you are not dodging at all

[exotic stag]

can i quickly comment on the last anahita sugg (yesterday)

The time limit is actually quite fine. I was doing anahita pre-mechs with spear of paleolith and everytime i died i just sat in the ocean for like a minute. always showed up after a minute or so.

[thin moon]

Ceaseless void is pretty easy if you do it in a small room with aethers whisper

Just aim to split the bullet and you’ll do ceaseless with little effort

[small timber]

not that he is "easy", just that he is super annoying to dodge

maybe arena issue because I may made my arena too big (because previous ceaseless void required it), but I find the movement of his balls moving at the same time as ceaseless void itself makes it feels like I am dodging and still get hit

oh ok ceaseless void actually move on a timer rather than just because the player is moving away, I guess I am not suggesting it that

[eternal escarp]

im not sure if its even possible to modify Sniper Scope to work with weapons that dont use Bullets, Gel and Stakes as ammo

[hollow shell]

@quartz bough You could make it clearer in your title that you're referring to the arsenal weapons that are crafted using lab materials and can be charged

and not the weapons that drop in the fight against Draedon and the Exo Mechs

(I think "Ranger's arsenal lab weapons should be able to use Sniper Scope" would clear up any ambiguity?)

[tawny garden]

why not?

[hollow shell]

also, Pulse Pistol and Gauss Pistol are magic-type guns

[half sage]

"Miracle matter is now obtained so late in the game it’s basically useless for actually trying to achieve anything"

[hollow shell]

@rugged jetty You can fight SCal after Draedon. Also, Boss Rush exists.

[rugged jetty]

Draedon Imo is more difficult than scal

[hollow shell]

But the potential usage still exists, they are intended to be the same tier

If you wanna keep your sugg around you're gonna need to elaborate your reasoning a lot more

cuz it kinda flies in the face of the devs' design decision

(and it would leave Mage and Summoner with no reward from Draedon)

[tribal cedar]

Pretty much all the exo weapons are endgame level imo, probably not as good as the shadowspec type weapons but they're still powerful post-draedon

[torn crown]

1.5 Supernova my beloved

[fossil finch]

Exo weapons are intended to be post draedon so this is never happening

[rugged jetty]

If exoweapons are intended to be post draedon they should be buffed

[exotic stag]

why would they need to be buffed?

[grim tusk]

They were already balanced lmao

They feel extremely good

[brisk bramble]

Difficulty is Subjective

But it would not make sense for Post Draedon weapons be buffed if you would say that Exos are harder than Scal if they are considered the same tier as one another

[fossil finch]

i mean exo tier is meant to be a lil bit better than post yharon for obvious reasons

but as far as kill times go they are

[brisk bramble]

Neck n neck

But it depends.

[eternal escarp]

idk redcode ig

[fossil finch]

everything can be modified

redcode is merely a harness
you can harness the harness

[eternal escarp]

damn

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-overwatch-gif-14634661

but yea

it might be volatile as shit, but most things should be able to be changed

[brisk bramble]

buff the pole warper

Jk lol

[torn crown]

You mean wole parper is still shit?

[fossil finch]

weasle your opinion doesnt count when it comes to pole warper

no it's good

its very good

[torn crown]

Epic

[brisk bramble]

Wjfnwid ejdnejekefke

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait

The pole warper

[fossil finch]

pole warper yharim real in 19374

[brisk bramble]

So The pole warper is actually good

And youre mot making this shit up?

[fossil finch]

i am not

go use it against yharon

[brisk bramble]

Imma beat Draedon with m a g n e t s

[fossil finch]

truly

[brisk bramble]

In the w a t e r a r e n a

[frail mantle]

you have fun with that

[sand umbra]

please don't use redcode as an excuse for not bein' able to just copy the vanilla effect and apply it to specific weapons, perhaps in a list so that it's easily added to and taken away from

thanks

snark aside, every time someone that doesn't do programmin' uses redcode as an excuse for why somethin' can't be done, I die a little inside

makin' these things work with the Rifle Scope effect is not difficult, not by any stretch of the imagination

[exotic stag]

(Doesnt sniper scope have like. a requirement to be placed on weapons actually?)

like a "true/false" thing

[sand umbra]

it's an accessory

[cobalt pewter]

I never seen the insides of a Sniper Scope

[sand umbra]

its effect is handled in vanilla by checkin' what ammunition the weapon in question uses

[cobalt pewter]

but considering how it works, it definitely checks for the weapon's ammo yea

[exotic stag]

i kinda meant the requirement to be y'know. considered "usable with sniper scope"

[sand umbra]

its effect is handled in vanilla by checkin' what ammunition the weapon in question uses

            if ((currentItem.type == 1300 || currentItem.type == 1858 || currentItem.type == 4005) && (inventory[selectedItem].useAmmo == AmmoID.Bullet || inventory[selectedItem].useAmmo == AmmoID.CandyCorn || inventory[selectedItem].useAmmo == AmmoID.Stake || inventory[selectedItem].useAmmo == 23))
                scope = true;

[cobalt pewter]

Are all ranged Arsenal weapons visually compatible with Sniper Scope? (as in they resemble guns)

[sand umbra]

this little tidbit here makes it so that, with vanilla's accessory effects pass alone
the Rifle Scope and its upgrades will take effect zoom-wise on anything that uses bullets or gel as ammunition, as well as the Candy Corn Rifle and Stake Launcher

[exotic stag]

gel..? so you can put a sniper scope on a flamethrower..

[cobalt pewter]

actually what's all the currentItem.type checks for

[sand umbra]

those are for the Rifle Scope and its tinkers

[cobalt pewter]

ahh

[sand umbra]

(4005 is Recon Scope, a 1.4 tinker with the Sniper Scope which mixes in Putrid Scent for even more free winnin' of the video game, because ranger privilege is real)

[rare hazel]

Would the cestial onion work on journeys end master mode? considering master mode adds an extra accessory slot

[cobalt pewter]

don't think so, unless that's changed in tmod 1.4

max acc slot naturally will still be 7

[sand umbra]

modded acc slots are a thing now for 1.4 tML, but honestly

you don't need more than 7

[cobalt pewter]

or just get antisocial

trol

[sand umbra]

if you do end up needin' more than 7, I'll be honest, you're really bad at managin' your accs

[exotic stag]

(or your playing stupidly and mixing difficulties)

[rare hazel]

Ouch

[sand umbra]

(that is also a possibility)

[exotic stag]

(Which tbf i never did even though i mix difficulties..)

[sand umbra]

(although, if you're doin' that, you've already signed yourself up for bullshit limitations anyway)

[exotic stag]

(true)

[rare hazel]

I not skilled at this game

Or calamity for that matter

[tardy smelt]

you called?

:3

[torn crown]

🔎 "Difficulty Is Subjective"

[crude geode]

Or you’re playing rogue in Hardmode

[cobalt pewter]

...okay yeah rogue might be a tad too reliant on accs

[crude geode]

It honestly gives them more variety without just spamming weapons down tbfh

Melee has a lot of variety but at the end of the day you’re really not gonna use a full hotbar of weapons

Also why is pulse turret remote the worst goddamn thing on the planet

[torn crown]

Stealth rogue is kinda limited on both the acc slots and their prefixes

[eager salmon]

True

[torn crown]

But hey they also get the funny negative aggro

[cobalt pewter]

not really

[torn crown]

Well compared to other classes

[cobalt pewter]

the changes to stealth formula allows you to say fuck all and build mostly mobility with quick modifiers if you want

[cobalt pewter]

also stealth no longer gives aggro reduction nor movespeed

[torn crown]

It doesn't?

I checked my stat meter from (I forgor what mod is it) and it said I had negative aggro

[eager salmon]

Stealth rogue has three slots permanently taken by damage accessories until just before ml, do with that info what you will.

[cobalt pewter]

I think it doesn't anymore, might need to check

[torn crown]

Oh wait I think it was fargo's mutant yeah

[cobalt pewter]

what.

[eternal escarp]

i said it as mostly a joke for "now that i think twice, yeah i dont fully see why it wouldnt", byeah i understand the snarkiness there

[eager salmon]

Mirror, sheath, medallion

[torn crown]

Well I tried doing a stealth strike and I saw my aggro sharply rise up then slowly come back down as my stealth turns back

[cobalt pewter]

mirror isn't needed
sheath isn't needed

well

dark god is good

but you'll never require using silencing sheath

so at most the important ones pre ML are coin of deceit and its upgrades

actually no

[torn crown]

I never used S. Sheath nor any of the sheaths up until E. Mirror

[cobalt pewter]

silencing sheath AND ruin medallion is combined

into dark god

[eager salmon]

Dark god is very good. Rip you.

[cobalt pewter]

so at minimum you only really need a single stealth acc post cultist

[eager salmon]

Silencing is more optional

[eager salmon]

Bruh

[torn crown]

Yeah I'm just talking about how it can be viable without it

[eager salmon]

Oh post cultist nvm

[cobalt pewter]

and I think I never used more than 2 rogue accs on the pt

[torn crown]

tbh though I had E. Glove and R. Medallion

[eager salmon]

[torn crown]

Then I used the remaining 3 for dash, boots, and flight

[cobalt pewter]

at most I had a glove acc and coin of deceit tree

[torn crown]

Oh wait I had 6 because expert mode

[cobalt pewter]

which are more than enough for stealth rogue in 1.5

[torn crown]

Ah

[eager salmon]

Right now I’m using glove of precision, dark god sheath, abyssal mirror

[torn crown]

I also had the mirror

[eager salmon]

The rest is mobility

[cobalt pewter]

abyssal mirror isn't needed

but otherwise it's fine

[torn crown]

really?

[eager salmon]

I skipped defense day at the gym

[torn crown]

Stealth regen kinda felt slow but that's probably just me

[eager salmon]

It is

[torn crown]

Now that I think about it

[cobalt pewter]

you'll trade it for fat dmg now, instead of being permanently crippled

[torn crown]

It's probably the Reactive DR doing it's thing?

[torn crown]

I had all-silent modifiers

So uh, nothing much to say

I'll tell you what though E. Glove's SS effect + clockwork/multiple projectile rogue weapons are pretty good, not sure if it's too good for it's own right

[crude geode]

Pulse Turret Remote realistically needs a buff or even a rework to it's function tbfh

[uncut quiver]

is there a QoL mod that lets you shove NPCs out of the way?

[exotic stag]

no? theres mods that let you pick them up though

[river glen]

uh sure there is.. its called the tome of manipulation

[exotic stag]

shove. thats also picking them up..

[river glen]

make them hostile and use the YEET SWORD

[exotic stag]

or you just.. pick them up via bug net..

way easier

[river glen]

or that

how is my suggestion....

it seems no comment yet...

[deft yew]

Heartily agreed.
One time he accelerated to mach 1 before he left, made a really wide turn and ate my rear end

[fossil finch]

You know using codebreaker again takes exactly a second right

[deft yew]

…but doesn’t Contact not consume any power cells?

[fossil finch]

There is literally no need

Yea it doesn't

[deft yew]

[half sage]

yea contact costs nothing

there's no reason for there to be a separate spawner for draedon

[deft yew]

Okay, I’ve seen suggs as large as entire bosses, but THIS?!

actually i do agree that cal would make a great souls-type but seriously this is not realistic

[half sage]

don't have to deal with redcode if you just make your own game

[river glen]

soo. how is mine

[languid quartz]

this might take the record for the most work required for a single suggestion ever

[uncut quiver]

It’s a bit confusing but it prob makes sense if you’ve fought her (i haven’t fought new cal clone yet)

Seems good

[torn crown]

@river glen it's confusing if you're talking about SCal or Cal Clone

Plus yeah- they level depending on what side is the closest they are in

I don't really get your point in that part

[exotic stag]

or the most "non-terraria" suggestion

[gaunt parrot]

Does draedon bosses have any adaptation mechanics, like dude said it calculates all the players movements and shit, so I think the bosses should gain resistances to certain shit, just to make it even more overpowered ofc and for lore reasons :)

Aand even adapt to players MS

[river glen]

i mentioned cal clone

aleady

like twice

[torn crown]

That's what you call predictiveness

[torn crown]

I'm talking about the title

[river glen]

if u ready the sentences it says cal clone...

[torn crown]

Also not really sure about what are the dev's take on reactive difficulty

Calamitias Should indicate the direction she will horizontally level herself with the player with

Either way the problem is, both SCal and Cal Clone use the same kind of positional levelling system

[river glen]

if u read it says cal clone in several places

fine tho

[gaunt parrot]

Draedon feels like just a boss, not as intelligent as he says the mechs are

[torn crown]

Yeah I was thinking if you'd include cal clone in the title to reduce ambiguity, because it's not really clear whether you are citing cal clone as an instance or is entirely focusing in it

[gaunt parrot]

Of course for balance sake it would be the most broken overpowered annoying boss in the game

, thohhh

[torn crown]

For one, Fab once looked up on adding machine learning into the exo mechs (a totally different thing, where it would use the attack it knows you'd be hit the most) but he then scrapped it

[river glen]

infernum is doing that

so yeah

[torn crown]

Yeah but it's still tentative on implementation

[gaunt parrot]

I still think it's possible to implement, not in that exact fashion but like adapting to weapon dps, mechs adjusting projectile/move speed based on your own mph

[hollow shell]

@runic wraith What is impractical about his current summon method? Can't you use the finished Codebreaker an infinite amount of times with no cost?

[torn crown]

The movement adapting to your speed is already present in some bosses

[gaunt parrot]

Though more emphasised in that fight specifically

[torn crown]

The gameplay changing because of dps also exists, it's just that it's only about reactive damage

[gaunt parrot]

Imagine having to switch weapon midway through fight and also having an element of time pressure, where you need to defeat boss before it becomes too overpowered

[torn crown]

If anything

[deft yew]

The longer Ares is on earth, the stronger it will become.

[torn crown]

Bosses already have that with other aspects

[gaunt parrot]

Ik old duke is predictive movement

[torn crown]

A. Bosses slow down and weakening if you're holding a True Melee Weapon
B. Their damage values depend on if they are dashing
C. Stall syncing
D. Movement depending on the Player's distance from it

Tbf, little to no reactive gameplay is made towards making the fight easier (excluding the ones that make it fair)

You can sugg for that specifically

[gaunt parrot]

ye from balance perspective it's not good but something cool to have

[fossil finch]

j u st make a game bro

[torn crown]

Calamity turning into an Metal Gear-esque game (no way)

[gaunt parrot]

I could only imagine how they'd be clear as the hardest boss in the game, completely superseding scal

Though artemis and apollo alone are that aids rn

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Get outta here

Oh is this some meme from another channel, then?

@sharp bison Don't post joke suggs

[sharp bison]

It’s not a joke, I genuinely want this

[hollow shell]

@marsh girder you are at fault for starting it

[glass burrow]

lmfao

[ionic frigate]

Lol

[hollow shell]

yeah yeah yeah shut up

[sharp bison]

This exists for a reason

[fossil finch]

quite a bingo isn't it

also rover shouldn't gulin's sugg be exclaimed

they have not addressed the obvious issue of... you can just keep using codebreaker with 0 cost

[hollow shell]

Yeah, sure
I figure that I am missing something, that they're suggesting for a reason

but, they should say what that thing is

[fossil finch]

they haven't, and as i said, calling draedon doesn't cost anything and does not take much time (if spawn cinematics are ever a reason

[marsh girder]

I stated i wouldnt actually and it was a joke, please dont execute me

(Also can i be unwarned, its been 31 days)

[torn crown]

Can't you DM the bot for that

[hollow shell]

(yeah you're due 👍 )

He could but like I'm right here

[torn crown]

Yeah but he's been asking since yesterday

[marsh girder]

Its down

Also thank you!

[torn crown]

Damn

[obsidian cove]

calamity mod’s own game

The final boss of high effort suggestions

[ruby plover]

That is definitely a “too much effort” suggestion lol

[marsh girder]

If calamity ever ascends beyond tml

It will

But that probably wont happen

Devs choose that

[ruby plover]

Yea lol

[marsh girder]

Devs decide when its too much to be tml

(Not saying i wouldnt love calamity as its own)

[dapper coral]

i mean

not that it's gonna happen any time soon but im pretty sure that is a possible endgoal of calamity

[torn crown]

They did open up to it in the dev QnA

[cosmic stratus]

Then people will begin modding the calamity mod game and the cycle repeats itself.

[violet dagger]

hollow knight: calamitysong

[daring imp]

[daring imp]

wait if that ever happens will calamity mod reffer to which? calamity mod itself or mod for calamity game?

[cobalt pewter]

I feel like GSA doesn't need the yharon sons restriction, and just give an additional minion slot upon using an amount

[daring imp]

also yeah calamity definely feels like a separate experience from vanilla terraria itself, but being its own game requires much more effort and resources which are hard and will take a lot of time to come up with

[cobalt pewter]

I think there's already some kinda counterpoint to this sugg already, that being the auric ore generated is way more than enough for everything

[brittle python]

on larger servers its hard to get enough for everyone. And regardless of how much there is, I think that there is no reason that a resource this important should be non renewable

[torn crown]

Auric ore is pretty abundant compared to what you'll be using it for

If worse come to worse though

[brittle python]

I actually cant think of any other resources that are important that are non renewable

[torn crown]

Maybe you can sugg a more passive/indirect way than just slimes?

The item bloat you get when doing mining trips can be irritating

[brittle python]

true, it was just the first thing I thought of

maybe a ravager upgrade or something

[torn crown]

For one, what about fishing crates?

[brittle python]

or that

honestly I dont care what it comes from, just that there is a way to get it consistantly

[gray nebula]

why slimes

why not ask for like, auric soldiers you kill and they drop auric ore??

🤨

or anything else thats not a slime

[silver silo]

Funni slimes haha

[gray nebula]

as i thought.. 🙄

[brittle python]

yea I think that woudl be cool I was just trying to match it to what we already had

[torn crown]

Iban hinting about Yharim invasion

[silver silo]

Are you volunteering to sprite that iban? How generous

[fossil finch]

Auric slimes more like no

[brittle python]

It just seems like a resource that commonly used shouldn't be non renewable

[fossil finch]

Then sugg for a way to get more of it and not for auric slimes

Wildly different things on practice

[torn crown]

↑

[brittle python]

I updated my suggestion to be more general. I dont care what I have to do to get more auric ore, I just dont want to feel like Im going to run out

[cobalt pewter]

you tell that for every other ore slimes in the mod

😔

why are all of them slimes

[distant gyro]

reminder that charred slime should not exist and despair stone should be the rightful owner of charred ore droppage

[cobalt pewter]

factual iirc

[sand umbra]

reminder that I have literally talked about the Aerialite dilemma for at minimum multiple months if not over a year and to my knowledge nothin' has happened to resolve it

[distant gyro]

feed contributing to suggestion flood, btw

[cobalt pewter]

this is just how I am when I'm not burnt out

why must you do this to me

[sand umbra]

I have like

a lot of suggestions I could be makin' right now

but I'm also not dumb enough to put them in the middle of perhaps the largest suggestion flood we've ever seen and expect them to be seen properly

'tis the main issue with postin' suggs at a time when everybody and their dog is postin' suggs

nobody's suggs get noticed enough to get starred

so nobody's suggs get to dev

so nobody's suggs get done

[distant gyro]

everyone simultaneously sabotages each other

the closest one rn is at 261

[sand umbra]

eeyup

[cobalt pewter]

Yes, and I sabotage the hardest 😎

[sand umbra]

rip

[distant gyro]

next closest is 245

[sand umbra]

261
so close and yet so far

[tawny frost]

Oh my me suggestion got through

[distant gyro]

then the next next closest that i know of is 209

gap

[cobalt pewter]

(in reality I just want to yeet suggs whenever I thought of one, because any other attempts of preserving the suggs to me won't ever work)

[tawny frost]

idc if it doesnt reach good requirements it got throu and im happy with it

[sand umbra]

dear lord

[cobalt pewter]

(and I have the memory span of a goldfish)

[sand umbra]

(just tell me your sugg ideas and I'll write them down for you iirc)

(I'll remember to sugg them. eventually)

[cobalt pewter]

(then I'll forgot to ask you the suggs when I wanted to post it)

(then it'll never stop being like that)

yeah my memory is bad

[sand umbra]

well uh

get a better memory

4head

then you'll remember stuff more, or at least enough to have me write it down and therefore remember it

ez

[cobalt pewter]

i can't even download more ram for my laptop

let alone get better memory for myself

[ashen warren]

suggestion: give @hearty yew a raise

[distant gyro]

[grim tusk]

@night glacier your suggestion needs better reasoning

[hot zephyr]

$0 -> $0

he's getting his wages multiplied by 10

[cobalt pewter]

yooooo

gaming

[hollow shell]

I understand the reasoning behind this suggestion but I also disagree massively

because the whole point of making them 100% drops from Malice is that you cut out all the RNG element. You are rewarded for completing the challenge, period.

[silver silo]

Are you actually playing minecraft rover or are you idling lol

[hollow shell]

Half n half

[silver silo]

The man with a third eye that watches over suggestions

[hot zephyr]

honestly I think this type of suggestion should be a Don't

the drops were intentionally moved to malice

also, citing death not having enough "exclusive" items is incorrect because it was Rev that had items moved.

the rev drops were intentionally moved to either be obtainable outside of rev, or obtainable from malice

[silver silo]

Speaking of donts I know the answer already but asking for a RGB upgrade to the last prism using exo prisms is too specific yeah

[hot zephyr]

and Armageddon was intentionally changed to not have drops outside of specific circumstances

[hot zephyr]

I'd assume so

@hard hemlock you should take what I've said into consideration

personally I don't think that "new players crutch on these, so they should be made more easily available" is good enough reasoning to make such a drastic changeg

if anything, I feel like it does more to hurt your suggestion than to help

[hollow shell]

Yeah that reason seems to go against what the sugg is asking for?

"The first is that many of these items used to be very useful for novice players starting out in revengeance mode (as most calamity players do) and malice mode is a big challenge even for experienced players."

Yet your suggestion is to make it harder for players on lower difficulties to get these items?

[hot zephyr]

The suggestion is to make Malice drops rare drops on lower difficulties.

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[hot zephyr]

instead of not being drops at all

so it'd make them easier to get

i'd also personally address the fact that arguably the most important Malice drops (crown jewel, and Counter Scarf) have craftable variants later in progression

[hollow shell]

"rather than just being exclusive to malice mode"
Okay, I see

Whole suggestion confused me

[hot zephyr]

personally asking for challenge drops to be changed in Malice just feels similar to asking for environmental effects to be removed/on a toggle in Death.

it's unlikely to ever be considered because most of the time these suggestions kinda just.... try to implement the exact opposite of what the mode is intended to do

[silver silo]

if you're nothing without challenge drops then you shouldnt have them

[hot zephyr]

what confuses me the most about the community's response to challenge drops is that.... a huge majority of them were never used anyways

[silver silo]

lets be honest when they say ''challenge drops'' they really mean ''counter scarf''

[hot zephyr]

and you can either A. just turn on malice for a sec and burn EoC or B. just craft Evasion Scarf later in the game

Revengeance-exclusive drops were intentionally changed because it made balancing a headache because throughout progression Expert and Revengeance players would have wildly different loadouts due to the rev drops. So, it was decided to move most Revengeance exclusive drops to all difficulties, and the remaining drops being moved to Malice.

Another reason challenge drops existed was because farming a boss 200 times to get a Legendary drop to brute force your way through progression was generally poor design. Why should this be reverted?

Optional difficulties like Arma and Defiled also lost a lot of their loot bonus functions because it didn't make sense. Why should this be changed?

Why do Malice drops need to be made available to more players if a lot of the most popular challenge drops have craftable alternatives?

[sand umbra]

literally every popular Malice drop has somethin' you can use instead of it

[hot zephyr]

some even have two

[sand umbra]

Crown Jewel has Celestial Jewel

Counter Scarf has two things: Shield of Cthulhu on-tier (seriously why does everyone diss Shield of Cthulhu it's good) and Scarf in Hardmode

[hot zephyr]

Crown Jewel has Regen Band before the tier, and Celestial Jewel afterwards.

[sand umbra]

yeah you can also just
instead of needin' Crown Jewel

[hot zephyr]

I can't find any other Malice drop that people really need.