#suggestions-discussion
exotic stag
snow bobcat
and... SHOULDN'T there be options other than piercing for attacking groups that will still work when attacking bosses?
exotic stag
and... SHOULDN'T there be options other than piercing for attacking groups that ...
explosions are resisted by most bosses.
snow bobcat
okay, than have the initial damage not be explosion type, whatever.
small timber
we are not talking about piercing being superior and you should shut your idea, we are talking about the fact that currently piercing is superior to explosion which is why there isnt many explosion weapons
exotic stag
so your just saying pretty much there: "have an option that'll do the exact same thing as an already existing function. but make it not do the thing i said"
snow bobcat
what's wrong with the primary hit damage being one type and the aoe damage being another type?
so it will function against bosses
snow bobcat
okay, than have it all be ranged type of damage
that happens to cause an aoe pop on impact
lol
dealing ranged damage
exotic stag
i dont think your getting our point
snow bobcat
well I think there should be a viable method of damage delivery other than piercing
small timber
to put it simply it is down to this: implementing a weapon is a high effort work: balancing, recipes, spirites, animations, projectiles... etc, you must have a solid reason to add a new weapon, preferably if its function are unique/needed to the game
Currently explosion weapons is just mostly outclassed by piercing and many weapons already have piercing, so a suggestion for adding more explosion weapon is not really essential
exotic stag
to put it simply it is down to this: implementing a weapon is a high effort work...
and simpler for this bottom part btw: Basically "add another weapon that does something that another type does better. because theres not enough love for it"
small timber
^
snow bobcat
well shouldn't there be... multiple ways to deal damage that are viable?
exotic stag
there are
snow bobcat
so you dont end up having identical builds?
small timber
ya basically that, it is not that your idea to add more explosion weapon is wrong, it is just that whether the effort is worth it
exotic stag
theres like 6 classes. MANY different weapons
snow bobcat
if EVERYONE uses piercing weapons for ranged classes
exotic stag
theres like 6 classes. MANY different weapons
(6 cause i minorly included throwing)
snow bobcat
isnt that a bad thing?
exotic stag
no
small timber
piercing is not a "class" or "limitation", it is literally a weapon property
snow bobcat
right, if all high end weapons MUST have piercing to be viable
isnt that a bad design?
exotic stag
right, if all high end weapons MUST have piercing to be viable
some dont
look at scarlet devil
it hits once then explodes.
small timber
because not all weapons need piercing to be viable, in fact high damage non-piercing weapons are more effective on most bosses that is not worm, just that explosion is basically piercing but don't do good on single target and don't do good against worm
exotic stag
some weapons like slick cane would be better off with less piercing infact
because of how op they actually are
despite having a gimmick (being that slick cane is small ranged)
snow bobcat
why must explosion be bad on a single target? what aspect of the code prevents it from being good on a single target or boss?
and what would it take to make an explosion weapon that is okay against single target or boss?
exotic stag
why must explosion be bad on a single target? what aspect of the code prevents i...
because bosses resist explosions
snow bobcat
or a weapon that has an explosion effect at least
exotic stag
and single targets then you can just use ANY weapon
literally any weapon in the game including something like a copper shortsword can deal with single targets.
snow bobcat
okay, than have the weapon deal lots of damage on the initial hit then explode after a bit
which the boss then resists
exotic stag
thats just even more of an SIS
small timber
basically if you want it to work that way you have to post a suggestion that is "rework how explosion mechanic works", because currently the impact hit is the same as the explosion damage (as far as I am aware)
snow bobcat
are there any means for bosses to not resist ALL weapons that happen to also do AoE damage on impact (or after a short delay)?
small timber
they must, for the simple reason that all explosion weapons dps will be through the roof otherwise
exotic stag
they must, for the simple reason that all explosion weapons dps will be through ...
yes
or pierce weapons
i mean look at something like slick cane (example)
Slick cane has infinite piercing.
so bosses resist that because otherwise you could just go slick cane tank and absolutely annihilate even something like DoG
small timber
because the concept of explosion is literally that it deal high single target damage that hit the same (mostly bosses which has big hitboxes) multiple times, so you are multiplying dps
it is still good, just not "omg it instantly destroy the boss" good
exotic stag
it is still good, just not "omg it instantly destroy the boss" good
(like slick cane)
snow bobcat
no, the idea was it hits several different targets --like a clump of zombies-- in an area once each with an aoe.
exotic stag
no, the idea was it hits several different targets --like a clump of zombies-- i...
then just use piercing
literally
piercing solves that boom bada bing
snow bobcat
but I dont want to use piercing. I dont want to have to aim in a line.
exotic stag
you dont need to
snow bobcat
i want an alternative to piercing
small timber
because you don't need a new specific weapon to deal with zombie if you want a summary, all weapons to some degree are to be use against bosses
exotic stag
also you still have to aim in a line to hit your target.
snow bobcat
i'd like to be able to aim near their feet or whatever.
exotic stag
then just
why
just aim at them
your already aiming near them. just aim at them instead.
snow bobcat
because I want viable weapons that you don't need to aim as well, that don't use piercing as the mechanic, that can hit multiple targets in a small area!
eager dagger
hello, new to calamity here. :D
i was wondering what settings, which gamemod and what other mod you suggest to me for a long time run with some challenge so i dont get bored :3
exotic stag
hello, new to calamity here. :D
i was wondering what settings, which gamemod and...
wrong channel
robust lava
hello, new to calamity here. :D
i was wondering what settings, which gamemod and...
That’s a better question for #help-advice-read-pins
exotic stag
because I want viable weapons that you don't need to aim as well, that don't use...
then just use homing weapons.
eager dagger
ah thx guys sorry :D
small timber
@snow bobcat I will just give a summary to why adding explosion weapons are not necessary/essential:
Adding weapons is a LOT of work, and this is the main point, otherwise calamity can just add 20k different weapon fit for every unique purpose
Only the second reason is that explosion are outclassed/replaceable by piercing which is currently widely available, therefore making adding new explosion weapons not really needed other than for the purpose of adding variety
deft yew
good grief if you need to put it in a file that's red flag number one
number two this sounds like a future boss, which along with yharon rematch is long dead
check that
an ENTIRE new boss that just amalgamates a bunch of old attacks onto an existing boss? what is this, the lorde??
lean spear
I don't intend for it to be too difficult, they are free to change aspects of it
I had to put it in a file because it's too long
5725 Characters Long to be exact
If you're on mobile it won't be able to be read
but if you're on PC it can be read.
deft yew
all i can say is, big new content falls outside the lines of what you can sugg
especially something this darn big
lean spear
I understand that it seems too far out to reach
but I wouldn't underestimate mod creators, they are genius, like I said they can change aspects about this
I don't expect it to be added soon or later.
But it's just an idea.
deft yew
deft yew
"- Any suggestions which will take an extreme amount of time and effort to execute (such as: a new boss, new difficulty mode, new biome, new event, new class, or grand-scale reworks / reconsiderations).
Reason: These are very major changes that require a very substantial amount of work in order to be implemented properly. Entire updates (or multiple) will need to be dedicated solely to fulfilling these suggestions, and that is not realistic considering the dev team's current workload and planned content. The devs are already planning a great deal of content for the future, and suggested content on such a scale are almost guaranteed to conflict with those plans. Changes as significant as these will originate from the devs themselves and not from public suggestions."
lean spear
Oh I misread that
deft yew
it's just too much work, for one
deft yew
"make the calamitas clone spawn the calamitas NPC"
scooza me how did this get through
where's rover when we need him 
deft yew
white ice
I want sum big wings
deft yew
you could at least have more reasoning
sleek turret
What do you mean about large wings?
orchid briar
Comes in
Asks for large wings
Says they would look sick
Leaves
deft yew
refuses to elaborate
sleek turret
Holy fuck
white ice
ye
orchid briar
Those wings are big
white ice
ye
languid quartz
@white ice "add because it's cool" suggestions aren't allowed, see the doc in pins
white ice
gotcha
languid quartz
exotic stag
looks like something a dragon would have instead.
white ice
Yeah, that's what I'm saying
large dragon wings would be cool
or like a dragon morph
idk
Betsy morph
pulsar marlin
Or maybe so they can resize and resprite some wing to be a little cooler to look at
white ice
ye
dapper coral
wait are you saying that the hand and head eyes do contact damage even when the true eyes are out???
thats weird
pulsar marlin
I didn't even notice I'm getting hit by Moon Lord's eyes. I was thinking it was the projectiles
frank stratus
large wings are cool
dapper coral
i know that the true eyes used to have contact damage, and that was removed at some point
i didnt know that the head/eyes still had hurtboxes
glossy stone
wait are you saying that the hand and head eyes do contact damage even when the ...
Yep
oblique frigate
crimson night's stabber, (and true version)
what do you think?
it goes stabby
and prob has lifesteal
on enemy hits it releases streams of ichor like the bladetounge
grim tusk
Bloody knife
lost depot
What mods should i add to Calmity for more content and that both work well
grim tusk
Not the right channel but lemme find the list i made
ruby plover
i mean you need 270
exotic stag
nah
ruby plover
but thats much further to the star req than most others
exotic stag
sugg's before the new change
dapper coral
pranked
exotic stag
ruby plover
pfff that was lucky
exotic stag
byeah
ashen warren
ow
grim tusk
Light mode :desolate:
Thx so much guys
hollow shell
@grim tusk
languid quartz
storm had a timer set so the second it had been a week he would resuggest it of course
grim tusk
its just a mere coincidence
languid quartz
suuure
grim tusk
also did the wulf scrap and energy core sink ever got in
although i love the new pylons now getting cores is easy as hell
since they spawn other 2 wulfrum bots to their aid, and then the pylon itself
guaranteed cores for armor
crude geode
Bruh just use the evil biome light pet or like any other weapon
Biome blade is already stupid af
@hollow shell Are you aware of the reason this was denied? #suggestions-voting message
fossil finch
languid quartz
lmfao
exotic stag
yes btw read this
cobalt pewter
that is true
ashen warren
isnt that old one army event armor set underpowered or sth
grim tusk
was op with armor mixing but that died
ashen warren
kinda weak here
hollow shell
@loud ingot Need more reason than that
cobalt pewter
i personally like the noise additions to PBG (which I assume was this update)
loud ingot
i added more reason
hollow shell
Probably shouldn't mention that thing in the very first sentence
oblique stream
I do not condone the wording of the most recent suggestion but I agree entirely. the beeps are very grating
ruby plover
Some of the sound effects are better than others. I love the nuke phase change sound effect, but the constant beeping can be a bit. Annoying
But yeah, god, the first part…
languid quartz
@ashen warren meme suggs aren't allowed, see the doc in pins
loud ingot
+1 husbando of elements
ashen warren
nope
grim tusk
Why the fuck, 2 HotE joke suggs with no reasoning whatsoever
deft yew
wait i thought it already did
silver silo
balls of the elements
iban no LMAO
sleek wadi
@winter lotus Rampart of Deities still reduces potion sickness cooldown in current build, are you playing with any mods that cause a Calamity rebalance or something?
sleek wadi
I just tested it myself with Omega healing pot and it went on 45 second cooldown, not to mention the wiki still mentions to potion heal.
winter lotus
waitwaitwait i gotta test this for myself gimme a minute
sleek wadi
Considering there also hasn't been a massive uproar over losing such a nice effect, I think you just might've experienced a bug
winter lotus
damn
welp
time to delet
if this was a bug
i have been experiencing alot of bugs
hollow shell
Probably shouldn't mention that thing in the very first sentence
@loud ingot I mean this as a direction towards the offending term so you could remove it, not as an instruction to move it somewhere else.
But
the rest of the reasoning is better now
As good as it can be for something subjective like this
aight thanks mate
@north kelp You need reasoning in your suggestion. You currently do not provide a reason why.
@ashen warren Same with you (although both of you having very similar but separate suggestions is ill-advised, they'll sap each others votes). Your suggestion could use more solid reasoning as to why it would benefit the mod, if you are intent on keeping your sugg around.
@cold oracle Your suggestion is not formatted properly. You need a separate title line and reasoning, separated using a line break (Shift+Enter)
Also what mode are you playing on
hollow shell
<@!604902583240228868> You need reasoning in your suggestion. You currently do n...
@north kelp That's... barely better
north kelp
<@!604902583240228868> That's... barely better
ty
hollow shell
It would be nice
if you elaborated
a lil bit more
north kelp
😦
grim tusk
Azuran is probably going min maxed glass cannon and/or having op equipment from other mods and being affected by the reactive DR, which again is barely even noticeable unless you’re playing death mode (where you can feel its there but doesnt do that much) and/or are using a weapon way beyond the tier before the boss was killed (like Celestus vs Providence), he does mention he struggles farming stuff so the only guess is that he’s on malice as it always has rdr
hollow shell
I hope he is not playing on Malice while farming
grim tusk
@cold oracle disable malice mode
copper turret
Three red exclamations in a row? Damn, something's going on
grim tusk
4 actually
Also there has been worse
Having SoD explode sooner would make it better vs ML
And Luminous does indeed need help
ashen warren
i suggest to make town npcs invincible when a boss is alive(can't attack the boss) because they dying and never respawn for me
hollow shell
You can up their respawn rate in the config
You could suggest that they become invincible, yes
but ya, could look into that config for the time being
river glen
they didnt respawn for me
u can make them respawn 10x as fast
ashen warren
eh i used that npc respawner from luiafk and it just flooded my ig chat
river glen
u can just use npc invicible mod
if u are really that bothered by it
fuck i accidnetly pressed enter...
ashen warren
hmm ok ty
violet dagger
i suggest to make town npcs invincible when a boss is alive(can't attack the bos...
theres a mod that disables npc deaths
ruby plover
I do think the fight aside from the bh has become easier, but I’d guess it’s because if the introduction of the 2 bh’s
tardy smelt
to be completely honest I haven't tried the fight myself but generally this is the kind of sugg you wanna double-check with other people
just to see if its not your personal bias getting in the way
just that usually these kinds of suggs request something to be nerfed rather than buffed 
ruby plover
It doesn’t have the splitting lasers anymore
So keeping distance is easier
But the bullet hells will definitely screw people over, especially new players, so it’s probably more difficulty for some and less difficult for others
^^^your nickname
tardy smelt
yeah
I'd definitely think this through a tad because there's a lot of variables here
as always, when it concerns difficulty
cobalt pewter
nebulous core is unbalance with auto pause?
how so?
ashen warren
stop the game when you are going to die then equip nc
ruby plover
Pfff
fossil finch
Where's the reasoning
torn crown
The fight does feel kinda barebones with calcone just shooting and dashing
also is it me or does Calclone have no stall syncing
glossy stone
Would it be too much asked to just... revert the changes made to EoW and Hive Mind ?
Needing to fight them underground is really, really bad and nonsensical imho.
What was wrong with fighting them on the surface ?
tardy smelt
What changes?
distant gyro
crabulon and all evil bosses have partial enrages on the surface for a while
you just likely weren't able to tell because they were easy 
(+ hot red health bar didn't exist)
it's supposed to help the players who fight in the chasms
glossy stone
because they were easy
Yeah sure, just spend 2 hours trying to fight both of them, real easy indeed.
distant gyro
since those areas are generally more cramped and the bosses would be easier as a result
glossy stone
It might be because I'm on Death Mode, but man, those feel way worse.
distant gyro
it should be about as difficult as fighting in a regular chasm with lower prep
byeah it has existed since rust and dust iirc
or whatever update that made queen bee notoriously difficult on the surface, that applied to all evil bosses as well
glossy stone
So no changes were made regarding it in 1.5 ?
tardy smelt
imo surface death EoW and HM were fine... but, refer to my nickname
fossil finch
Unless malice enrage ai fsr activates in surface (should only be real out of the biome afaik
tardy smelt
^
fossil finch
Anyways destroyer rework because unfair
Asterisk Goes away asterisk
distant gyro
did a triple check
surface = 1x enrage
leaving the corruption/crimson/jungle/mushroom (for the respective bosses) = 2x enrage
malice or both = 3x
tardy smelt
glossy stone
surface = 1x enrage
leaving the corruption/crimson/jungle/mushroom (for the resp...
Guess Death Mode was just kicking my ass.
Even with Ancient Cobalt armor + Flare Bolt :,)
distant gyro
lives up to its name
grim tusk
@long magnet suggestion needs a title
And better reasoning
#suggestions-voting message consegrated’s stealth strike is very good, but yea the other needs a buff and so do totality breakers
torn crown
T. Breaker's SS is not that bad
But it's hard to milk out as much damage the way it works
grim tusk
Why use T.Breaker over Burning strife, cobalt kunai or duststorm
torn crown
Idk I never really switched out to those weapons when using it
Last time I used the breaker was on Cal clone, and I'd figure that it would be hard to aim with using duststorm
C. Kunai in the other hand felt waay too far in terms of progression that it feels as I'm milking it just like pre-nerf G. Mollusk
tbf though I also milked S. Bombers but at least that's post-AS
grim tusk
C. Kunai need a nerf lmao
Duststorm SS is good vs Aureus and Levi
Freq. Manipulator prob needs those 2 and worms to resist it
torn crown
Have you tried K. Catalyst on big hitboxes
torn crown
I got as much as 10-11 hits per SS
grim tusk
Freq. manipulator on stealth feels viable vs Malice Post-ML aureus
earnest raptor
After reading a bit of discussion, I came up with something stupid
- Normality relocator no longer requires RoD
- it's cooldown is 300 seconds
- rod has current cooldown but requires cosmilite and cosmic anvil
small timber
generally I dont think Calamity want to touch vanilla changing staff like this yet so unlikely to happen, early hardmode progression change is something that they belive everyone will appreciate/improvement on vanilla which is why it made the exception
because moving RoD from early-hardmode all the way to post DoG is something else
cobalt pewter
t breaker?
am i missing something.
I think rover unironically offered a great suggestion for rod
which is to delay the tp for 1s after use, and the player is locked out from swapping the entire second
NR is a massive hellspawn and needs a total rework
tardy smelt
Freq. manipulator on stealth feels viable vs Malice Post-ML aureus
Did you try icebreaker post-update btw
icy sedge
i think we should not let evil biomes generate in the Sulphorous Sea
icy sedge
tardy smelt
It looks kinda funny tbh
sleek turret
imo it looks awesome
frail mantle
It looks cool but probably shouldn’t happen
sleek turret
ye
earnest raptor
let it keep as feature
icy sedge
its annoying ngl
eternal escarp
@hexed temple you need to format your suggestion correctly:
(Shift + Enter)
Description + reasoning```wdym, SCal wasnt removed
hardest item?
ah
difficulty is subjective, so some might still consider her harder
tardy smelt
difficulty is subjective, so some might still consider her harder
True
eternal escarp
also old eye scal will never return because its non canon (and pretty meh looking)
tardy smelt
:3
fossil finch
At this point just ping @tardy smelt every time needed
eternal escarp
tardy smelt
Feel free to
eternal escarp
also old eye scal will never return because its non canon (and pretty meh lookin...
byeah even if you posted your sugg correctly and it somehow recieved 270 stars eventually, itd 100% be rejected
tardy smelt
:true_ending:
distant gyro
really speaking here, if you ask for scal to always be the hardest boss then that implies you never want yharim to be out
frail mantle
Although SCal herself might not be immensely visually impressive the rest of the fight looks way better than it did before
distant gyro
I don't think world tour scal was the best version of scal
but to each of their own
eternal escarp
also isnt current SCal harder by technically because of that BH1 fix
distant gyro
bh1, 2, and 5 are harder yeah
eternal escarp
difficulty is subjective, so some might still consider her harder
this
distant gyro
the bullet hells at 100% health, 75%, and 10%
eternal escarp
BH stands for Bullet hells, yeah
frail mantle
Draedon is a completely new fight that’s way different than everything else in the entire mod
eternal escarp
though i am sure that as time goes on people would prolly get used to draedon (maybe)
frail mantle
It’s bound to be harder than the boss that’s been in the mod for… what, four years?
distant gyro
adult eidolon is intended and designed to be harder but that's just new bosses existing
tardy smelt
`@LGL#9789`
No just straightup ping me
eternal escarp
No just straightup ping me
if you dont mind, sure
frail mantle
Over time people will get used to Draedon and both of them will be tweaked, meaning their difficulty will likely even out over time
tardy smelt
if you dont mind, sure
Yeah I find it funny :3
tardy smelt
It’s bound to be harder than the boss that’s been in the mod for… what, four yea...
I think its more that people find it harder overal cuz they're not used to it
eternal escarp
and her difficulty stayed rather the same, if not somehow slightly upped even
distant gyro
also always take old duke as the example yes
the new boss will usually be considerably harder on release
tardy smelt
and her difficulty stayed rather the same, if not somehow slightly upped even
She got an AI buff, but a stat nerf
tardy smelt
the new boss will usually be considerably harder on release
^
frozen hornet
Stat nerf?
frozen hornet
Like the funny vuln hex nerf
tardy smelt
Yeah she hits slightly less hard now
distant gyro
vhex nerf is because of defense damage
tardy smelt
Slightly
eternal escarp
She got an AI buff, but a stat nerf
well stat nerf aswell as the weapons so eh
tardy smelt
(I think)
tardy smelt
well stat nerf aswell as the weapons so eh
Yeah fair
eternal escarp
Like the funny vuln hex nerf
oh you mean this
tardy smelt
That too
eternal escarp
yeah i forgor about vuln hex
frozen hornet
Funny how I could barely get past sep phase now
eternal escarp
so yeah thats a slight stat nerf
frozen hornet
by barely I mean I just can't
tardy smelt
the new boss will usually be considerably harder on release
Unless its like~ precrab in terms of progression 
distant gyro
ds tweaks lol!
eternal escarp
Ultra fast worm hell of death!
tardy smelt
Suddenly everyone dies on the first boss 
eternal escarp
(old)AD but sand
tardy smelt
I say this jokingly but DS has the highest death count of any prehm boss on my current death ranger run
For some reason
tardy smelt
(its just 18 btw)
tardy smelt
well not for some reason, he was changed and i wasnt prepared
Yeah but it doesn't even look or feel that different to me
It just smited me
deft yew
DS is quite the irritant now
tardy smelt
7 for me iirc
I have skill issue >,<
deft yew
Its speed even after the nerf blew me away
Would not recommend it pre-EoC at all anymore
deft yew
I just can’t stand doing it without a dash
tardy smelt
Seabow momento
eternal escarp
Its speed even after the nerf blew me away
tbf i just realized i actually needed a hook (and to abuse Quick tro)
fossil finch
Simply skill issued
frail mantle
Then again I did kinda meme on it with meteor fist stealth strike but still, he wasn’t too hard to deal with
frail mantle
Now that quick is actually an epicwin prefix it shouldn’t be too hard to deal with the charges if you just take some time to get a nice setup
tardy smelt
^
My biggest issue with DS is that I needed time to gear up properly and was impatient as hell
severe peak
<@!754735180455084073> what do you mean by run away?
"ravager is no longer after you"
eternal escarp
so yes, you mean despawn
which makes me just question
do you fight ravager by just running away?
eternal escarp
Ravager doesnt dash..
could you maybe get a video of this happening? because it could very likely be a bug rather then being intended
(which would mean #bugs-read-pins would be the better place to post this)
severe peak
i dont have a recording software but ill try and get a friend to get a video
eternal escarp
alright
grizzled oracle
could you maybe get a video of this happening? because it could very likely be a...
Fought ravager today and he went across my arena and over shot it in phase 2(a few hundred blocks) even though neither me or my teammate were over there
severe peak
Fought ravager today and he went across my arena and over shot it in phase 2(a f...
yeah thats what happened
eternal escarp
wait, is this a MP occurance?
grizzled oracle
maybe?
eternal escarp
that might explain it better
severe peak
i might sound like an idiot but whats mp
grizzled oracle
he didnt go far enough to stop the fight for me but i can imagaine it happening
multiplayer
torn crown
Multiplayer
severe peak
oh
eternal escarp
my guess is that Ravager's P2 "levitating" attack gets way off because of multiple people, likely making him go flying because he tries to target multiple players
so he just bungee's himself out
grizzled oracle
that sounds about right
eternal escarp
so if thats the case, it defo sounds more like a #bugs-read-pins thing rather then a #suggestions-posting
grim tusk
@hexed temple @long magnet your suggestions need a title
And bombastic’s needs better reasoning as difficulty is subjective
tardy smelt
:3
hexed temple
<@169536776132755456> <@884443354354569246> your suggestions need a title
yeah im not retyping it
hexed temple
ok
grim tusk
Just edit it or get ❗
hexed temple
ill go ahead and react with that
eternal escarp
if you dont want to edit it, just deleting it would save peoples time ig
(and save you getting pinged for it)
hexed temple
ah true it is annoying getting pinged
grim tusk
How tf did you @stoic gate got those values?
grim tusk
Also pretty sure the textures would take equal or more space
eternal escarp
yeah im not sure thats how files work
itd likely be more or less the same amount of space
stoic gate
using a old-ver tmodloader allows you to extract a mod and get its texture simply
fossil finch
Idk at this point I'm just pinging dom
@vocal grotto (about the sugg in #suggestions-posting
eternal escarp
(hell if its diff sprites for each thing wont it make the game run less well because it animates multiple things rather then 1 full sprite? idk im not smart)
grim tusk
using a old-ver tmodloader allows you to extract a mod and get its texture simpl...
Yea sure… cal 1.5 aint compatible with old tmod vers, you prob used a decompiler or smth
fossil finch
Anyways uh
eternal escarp
also the sprites are just
existant on a public drive in CalArts iirc
grim tusk
Also pretty sure the method would take more space as you would have to add calls to the textures on the code
stoic gate
it's like this now
eternal escarp
yes that is how animation sprite sheets look
also the issue with making them diff files, wouldnt that call for needing more entities to load each seperate file rather then 1 entity (Ares himself) loading his whole body sprite?
stoic gate
and this is what I'm suggesting
eternal escarp
yeah we understand
fossil finch
also the issue with making them diff files, wouldnt that call for needing more e...
Yea
stoic gate
it WILL occupy much much less space trust me
eternal escarp
which would mean it would infact take more space?
eternal escarp
it WILL occupy much much less space trust me<:wegud:704021634281111722>
saying "just trust me" doesnt make us instantly believe you, sorry
stoic gate
code is much smaller than texture
eternal escarp
while that is fair, im not sure how seperating the files would magically make them smaller
fossil finch
This wouldn't cut down on texture size much though
eternal escarp
yeah, youd get the same file size
stoic gate
calamity has 23M code and 950M texture
eternal escarp
but you still add more code lines
stoic gate
it will
eternal escarp
which in summary would increase size rather then lower it
tardy smelt
No it wouldn't
stoic gate
the face only changes a part
fossil finch
Also calamitymod.tmod is a whole
35.761 kb
Amazing
tardy smelt
Code is way smaller than graphics
fossil finch
Ik tmods files are like
Zips
But were are you exactly getting the gigabyte count from
stoic gate
you can make frames of the face like this
eternal escarp
Code is way smaller than graphics
the big question here is
would cutting the files actually make the thing be generally smaller in size?
stoic gate
yes
eternal escarp
how so?
fossil finch
Dom our savior will give an actual answer in about 3 years
eternal escarp
(you realize dom isnt online and you couldve asked ozz who seems online)
stoic gate
man I need someone knowing how to do modding and he will instantly understand
stoic gate
💦
fossil finch
Dom was away when in pinged him
gray nebula
most of it woulds till take al ot of space lol..
fossil finch
So like
Idk
gray nebula
also 90 frames is EPIC!
eternal escarp
Dom was away when in pinged him
yeah so, dunno why you pinged dom when he was away byeah
stoic gate
tmodloader: out of memory
gray nebula
but fr like idk , separating the glow and stuff in another file wouldnt really do much since itd have to be put in a separate file thats still big
eternal escarp
yeah thats what i was thinking
fossil finch
Getting an oom because of ares having 90 frames is like getting an oom because you booted up terraria and opened a chest will all animated accs in the mod
eternal escarp
youd still need a big file for all or most of those 90 frames
you just seperate the files
which could be, convenient ig? but im not sure how much space it actually cuts down if any at all
gray nebula
like , you would save up on 4 empty frames at the beginning of the first chargeup anim for ares
stoic gate
I said that because there also is frames using repeated animation with only a bit changed
gray nebula
chargeup 2 and attack all use all the 12 frames from the loop
yeah? lol
all charge stages glow the same but they pulsate more frequently and brighter and sadly its not rly easy to just compartmentalise that
eternal escarp
(damn the mouth is a glowmap?)
gray nebula
thats not the glowmask lol
gray nebula
its just the animation layer for the attack without the static ares base
eternal escarp
ah, makes sense
gray nebula
well i mean the base has moving cables but thats it
stoic gate
for example
f1: mouth open, light on
f2: mouth open, light off
f3: mouth close, light on
f4: mouth close, light off
f5: mouth open, light on, but another light off
like this, you will need 8f for the animation
but with what I said it only need "base, mouth, light, another light"
now you only need 1+2mouth +2light+2another light"
what's the most important, the separated frames don't need a large space like a glowmask does, you can use a part of them, like the picture
gray nebula
stop focusing on the mouth!!!!!!!! !!! ! !! ! ! !!
grahhh
the mouth is the only part of it with like, 3 frames
i mean 2 in the laugh loop + 1 for the default
stoic gate
the gif you put
gray nebula
its not just "light on" , the lights dont just turn on and off they have multiple states that chain together
grahhh
stoic gate
ahhh
gray nebula
like its complicated and theres a tangle of frames
stoic gate
lemme make one for example
eternal escarp
aseprite frame hell
gray nebula
plus i mean
its not like its a modular thing
its just 4 animation loops of 12 frames each
one for the idle, two for chargeup, and one last one for when he attacks
its not like "ah shoot we need to have a separate version of every single anim where he laughs and where he doesnt laugh" because he only laughs in the 4th anim loop
stoic gate
I must correct myself that it's not Ares who has 90frames, it's Artemis
Ares has 48 frames and I'm making what I said
earnest raptor
I think we should ask shitmodloader to optimise themselves first
rather than micromanaging every repeating sprite into its own file
exotic stag
^
stoic gate
if we could make tmodloader stop "out of memory" 'cause of large mod file, this issue won't exist anymore
grim tusk
Tmod 64 bit
stoic gate
I must say I like the sprite very much
but the out of memory issue annoyed me very much when I'm doing my modding
it leads to the crash of the game every several "reload mod"
stoic gate
it's a simple example, "separated" one and current one
exotic stag
yeah default mac/linux is 64bit tmod
near spoke
And linux is open source and way more safer than windows
exotic stag
the only reason its not as popular is just because "windows easier. windows more well known. windows feel good"
byeah getting off topic
cobalt pewter
feedza sugg anything that isn't related to stealth challenge (impossible)
(okay the shards one is faintly related to me haging over getting Nychthemeron and Equanimity)
unique reef
i never noticed Ares' mouth moved
exotic stag
from all the clips i watched i used to think ares was just a spider
stoic gate
should I post that as a bug?
stoic gate
it's scary lmao
exotic stag
hey rover quick question: can you ask someone to test spear of paleolith vs levi rq. since i tried it b4 and it was kinda busted.
hollow shell
I can try
exotic stag
aight
hollow shell
hey rover quick question: can you ask someone to test spear of paleolith vs levi...
Stealth rogue or spam rogue?
hollow shell
Thanks
grim tusk
What is it with post-Plant/Cal tier rogue being so bad now
Frostcrunch which felt amazing on 1.4.5.7. even with stealth now feels pretty bad
Powercreep really hit that tier
Specially with the AoE demons mech tier has
exotic stag
i messed up on the title
hollow shell
Well the lore is that they're being resurrected anyway
so it still
technically fits
exotic stag
ah
hollow shell
@severe peak Do you mean "despawn"?
exotic stag
just thought cause y'know. you dont fight them in the actual fight
(only once. not twice)
vocal grotto
would cutting the files actually make the thing be generally smaller in size?
OK I'm late
But he is absolutely correct. The vast majority of our memory problems are due to giant sheets
My question, however, is if 1.4 TML will have anything that can alleviate this issue
If not, then I support this. Because yeah, a lot of our sheets are massive, and if we can cut down on that to save memory that'd be nice
hollow shell
I wouldn't think that a PNG of mostly empty space would be that much larger than separated PNGs with the empty space removed
I thought the PNG format was good with large sections of identical color?
Unless I'm misinterpreting and the large sheets also contain other redundant info
vocal grotto
I'm pretty sure it's saved in a pure way
As in, each pixel contributes 4 bytes in the form of its RGBA values
This means that Ares' body is 1320x2016x4 bytes in size, or about 10.6MB
hollow shell
That doesn't seem right, cuz that implies that PNG is like the WAV equivalent for images, and as such it should always be massive
But there are instances where PNG files are smaller than "compressed" versions of the same files, particularly for images with limited palettes
like sprites
vocal grotto
Then that means that TML's memory calculator is incorrect
usage.textures = mod.textures.Values.Sum(tex => tex.Width * tex.Height * 4);
vocal grotto
Then perhaps it's stored in a different way in memory then. I'm not sure tbh, since I haven't extensively looked into XNA's texture loading pipeline
Or this is simply outright wrong
hollow shell
I'm going to assume that Terraria/tModLoader/XNA is simply far less efficient at texture loading than the PNG file format is.
vocal grotto
That would make sense to me, yeah
hollow shell
The entirety of the Calamity Mod source is 48.0MB (74.7MB "size on disk"), code and all, even sounds (but not music)
yet the memory is storing almost a GB of textures alone
exotic stag
did freqmani recieve changes at all? cause in 1.4.5 it was kinda the same as the new sugg's asking
distant gyro
the change is getting gigabuffed by stealth formula
there are weapons that were expected to get hardbuffed by that formula but frequency manipulator was not one of them
earnest raptor
Then perhaps it's stored in a different way in memory then. I'm not sure tbh, si...
PNG is cool format
tML just decompresses it for game
as most of engines, really
dapper coral
hahahahaha stealth
ill look at freq in a bit ig
(i wonder if now would be a good time to ask if we should just eliminate balancing suggs altogether)
potent veldt
I think there should be a separate way of discussing balancing stuff
Because suggestions, bugs, and help aren't any channels that really fit it
dapper coral
imo the process of asking for balance changes should be like "helo tester person i think this weapon is good/bad pls check" and then tester person checks and sees what happens
it really shouldn't go through suggs at all tbh because it's something that could be checked even before it makes it to voting
hollow shell
imo the process of asking for balance changes should be like "helo tester person...
Yeah that was in the Don'ts doc for a while, "just ask a tester instead of writing a sugg", but
there wasn't really a convenient way for people to asks testers about such things directly (no list of active testers anywhere either), so I didn't know how to handle balance suggs when they came in
exotic stag
anyway hows the uh. paleolith test goin
dapper coral
yeah i figured
we could create that list and then maybe if a balance sugg comes in, you/one of the regulars picks a person to ping
potent veldt
Yeah I didn't see it in the donts, which was why I tried here
Sorry for the inconvenience
dapper coral
people are gonna bring them here regardless but i can't think of a way for people to see a list of testers more conveniently and easily
dw about it seberian
dapper coral
anyway hows the uh. paleolith test goin
it was discussed in dev for a bit, someone may run a test on it soon
eternal escarp
OK I'm late
But he is absolutely correct. The vast majority of our memory proble...
okay now I AM late, but yeah now that i see their example too then i can see that it is indeed true, and i stand corrected
good to know that
hollow shell
Yeah I didn't see it in the donts, which was why I tried here
Understandably so, because
potent veldt
I see
exotic stag
aint laser spam just destroyers normal thing?
hollow shell
(I have heard some things about Destroyer on higher difficulties, so I'm gonna trust this guy's word)
potent veldt
Destroyers Death Mode fight was, eh
It was ironically my hardest mech fight
My main issue with him was that because he's so long, the lasers can be difficult to see coming if he's looped in on himself
Especially later in the fight where he just kinda flies around without any blocks
river glen
"FYI: Just a suggestion, cause... I want to..." poor reason
river glen
how is mine...
sleek wadi
We've had suggestions for duplicating shrine items in the past, I'm not sure how they were received by devs though if at all
hollow shell
river glen
its not about duplicating shrines
hollow shell
sleek wadi
I say duplicating shrine items because that was the way to keep its multiplayer intentions pure
hollow shell
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/7838729488126...
"Guarantee shrine spawns." was approved
"shrine locator tool" and "craftable shrine items" both got rejected
sleek wadi
Some ideas were making NPCs sell it while having the shrine item in inventory or just having a recipe that spawns a copy of the shrine item without using up the original ala alchemy table
river glen
well... i.. dont know then... it seems unfair to having to cheat it in
and it seems unfair to having no access ot it at all or 1 per person
if the item is rewarding enough for the player to go ouut of their way to look for it it seems reasonable... at least from my perspective..
hollow shell
I'm pretty sure the philosophy the devs had was
it's okay if only one person gets to use the shrine item
You can still keep your suggestion around though
river glen
sure...
i doubt it will reach 270 but idk
the enrage suggestion that i had did much better than i thought
so idk
sleek wadi
It won't reach 270 because nothing else has, suggestions have been getting drowned
Only thing that fixes that is either less traffic or Rover pushing the emergency button
hollow shell
142 suggestions after the star req was raised and the Drae update was released
Period of about 12 days
exotic stag
and how many passed?
hollow shell
For reference, there were 130 suggestions in the 2 month span between September 16th and November 16th
exotic stag
did none pass?
hollow shell
No suggestions have passed since Drae update released
I see two suggestions that surpassed 240
but no further
exotic stag
jeez
hollow shell
I'll very likely do
something
in like iunno two days cuz that'd be 2 weeks since the flood started?
cobalt laurel
<@!729480055193075744> No new boss suggestions
Whoops that was my bad
exotic stag
insert: SIS again
hollow shell
@clear flint That kind of suggestion isn't allowed in our suggestion system
That's what we call a Specific Item Suggestion
clear flint
my bad
like i said, this was my first time doing this sort of thing
hollow shell
Yeah it's aight
obsidian cove
There’s a doc of all thing you cannot suggest in pins
cobalt laurel
I thought a pomegranate boss would be cool...
hollow shell
We have a document in the pins, here and #suggestions-posting, which lists the kind of suggestions that aren't allowed
It's a bit of a long list cuz there are a good few things that the devs will not implement
But, when you make a suggestion you can skim it or CTRL-F on it to make sure what you're suggesting isn't disallowed
fossil finch
Reasoning+config bloat or whatever+is it really something people will use as a config or a thing 99% of people will use as an unnerf button
last mirage
Nerf DoG
fossil finch
Eight billion people on their way to tell you dog is underdeveloped and would require to be buffed actually
@tardy smelt moment
crude geode
Reasoning+config bloat or whatever+is it really something people will use as a c...
@versed peak See above
versed peak
I mean if someone likes the nerf they would keep it on
if they don't why shouldn't they have the option to revert to vanilla behavior
fossil finch
Who would keep it on though
exotic stag
no one
fossil finch
This is one of the cases very few people woild
exotic stag
unless they use cheese
fossil finch
Even people who don't mind the nerf would prolly turn it off for commodity of being able to return to theur homes while a boss is alive
Then the config becomes useless
exotic stag
^ it would instead just become like what it was before
versed peak
I don't see the harm in having the option
exotic stag
the option would just become the normal.
versed peak
how is that a bad thing
I feel like if "no one" would keep it nerfed if given the option, that's evidence that the nerf is terrible
exotic stag
they nerfed it for a reason
versed peak
if it's a good mechanic then everyone would leave it on
fossil finch
Not really?
That's not how it works
If you made a config to make all the weapons op a lot of people will turn it on
That doesn't mean it's good
Heck, every op thing that was nerfed could be applied the same logic and it just wouldn't work
exotic stag
things r nerfed and buffed for reasons
versed peak
I don't see a compelling argument as to why they shouldn't be allowed to aside from maybe config bloat as you mentioned
which would be reasonable for making individual weapons OP, but like this is literally just a single toggle "Vanilla Magic Mirror Mechanics Yes or No"
and we already have a "Gameplay changes" config section
fossil finch
Those are even more minor than this though
versed peak
one of them completely reworks hardmode progression
fossil finch
That's for mod compatibility
While it is also helpful for people that don't like it, mod compatibility would be the most important part of it
... And it does serve it's purpose of config instead of set thing, unlike these one would in practice
You're still though lacking a critical part to this, why
versed peak
I know why this change was made
fossil finch
"Because i/some could/would want this reversed" is not really a reason, so yea
versed peak
why not
if someone has more fun playing with the vanilla game mechanics, why shouldn't it be an option to revert back
fossil finch
That's extremely broad and could be applied to like, every change in every mod though
Suggs stand on whys, not on why nots
exotic stag
if someone has more fun playing with the vanilla game mechanics, why shouldn't i...
if you have more fun with the vanilla game mechanics. just play vanilla
versed peak
vanilla mirror mechanics
versed peak
I like the new content in the mod, and I understand the reasoning behind the change to the mirror mechanics, which is why I'm not advocating for it to be reverted back
fossil finch
Can you just answer why with the answer not being "why not"
versed peak
what do you mean
long magnet
Maybe what may work is to make it expert or Revengence mode exclusive. Meaning that a new player won’t run into the confusion
fossil finch
That'd kinda defeat the point of it uh
versed peak
I mean then they'll just be confused in expert mode
fossil finch
Rev+ exclusive vanilla changes where abolished long ago so normal and expert wouldn't shit themselves
So I'd doubt they'd be willing to do that
Also boss effects tooltip does exist, even if people tend to not read anything
versed peak
anyways, I've provided a reason "why," and that's so that people can choose whichever option they think is more enjoyable to play
if people enjoy it being more challenging then they can leave it on default
fossil finch
Weaksuce reasoning imo, because the same could be said about having configs for everything ever
But whatever
exotic stag
also why'd you label it as semi of a bug report
this part looks like its labelled as a bug report lmfao
versed peak
I didn't mean to make it sound like a bug
long magnet
Neither do I
exotic stag
well to me it kinda looks that way (cause of probably all the people labelling that way to me)
(or what i've seen)
hollow shell
But uh yeah this suggestion is uhh
versed peak
after being confused by it, one of my friends reread the tooltip and saw that was added to it
hollow shell
Adding in configuration for nerfs like this isn't a good idea for reasons that've already been explained
versed peak
I then figured out which mod had the change
hollow shell
People dislike things being changed against the player's favor, even if it's a good balancing decision
I've seen that many times in #suggestions-voting
Buff suggs get way more stars than nerf suggs
Very few people will choose for Mirror to be nerfed if the option exists
fossil finch
That's why you never use nerf in the title of your sugg
long magnet
It tends to keep calamity’s difficulty I find, meaning you can’t keep hugging the nurse during providince for instance
versed peak
I don't buy that argument
hollow shell
That's why you never use nerf in the title of your sugg
(yeah lol)
fossil finch
Use change or rework
long magnet
Use change or rework
I used all
versed peak
plenty of people play games on harder difficulties because they find it more enjoyable
if it was as you say, everyone would play on normal and nobody would play on expert or master mode
fossil finch
This is a balance thing to a single item though
Not a difficulty
It is very different
versed peak
still the premise is the same
long magnet
Well at least I do, but sometimes people prefer a laid back experience
fossil finch
It isn't really
hollow shell
The difference there is the level of intricacy and customizability
and the nature of the difficulty changes
Like,
a boss's AI being changed to be more difficult is a different kind of difficulty
compared to being restricted out of an option
If you feel that strongly then you can keep the suggestion up I guess
But it'd be nice to include counterarguments
about why this wouldn't be an instant config disable for almost all players
hot zephyr
@clear flint izzy's reload perk wouldn't work in Terraria
besides Rancor is pretty close to 1KV as is
clear flint
<@!627985766517178418> izzy's reload perk wouldn't work in Terraria
why?
hot zephyr
you can't reload in Terraria
hardy dock
Calamity anticheese is excessive
The mirror and recall potion nerf was frankly unneeded
hot zephyr
something funny is that the class best fit for something like Izzy would be Rogue, just yeet the gun. the stealth strike can be honed edge lol
mirrors being disabled is extremely unlikely to become a config, much less be removed
a lot of config options were removed in 1.5 for being bloat, config options are pretty much reserved for essential changes
hardy dock
It’s Fab’s mod and his choice ofc but that change is really hated and I don’t think any casual players enjoy it and I think maybe there’s a point where he should listen at that point, that’s just my two cents though
Not like he’ll see this message anyway lmao
hollow shell
mirrors being disabled is extremely unlikely to become a config, much less be re...
Legit it'd be more likely for the change to be reverted than for a config to be made for it
hot zephyr
Indeed
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell banish
languid quartz
now that is a suggestion
hollow shell
@alpine wren haha
Do not post joke suggestions please
cobalt pewter
just read the last sugg in voting
....you don't use table and chair in your homes?
hollow shell
Crafting tables are more space efficient 
cobalt pewter
i never saw the crafting station for the watches to be a problem, even though they're definitely a bit jarring, since watches are the only purpose
in my series of shoeboxes I am bound to have a set of chair and table
alpine wren
Alr mb
dapper coral
honestly i feel like the fact that table+chair is a cringe requirement is a bigger issue than the fact that it's commonplace because of npc stuff
like yeah it's usually easily obtainable but why
fossil finch
Also I'm building things actually now so lol
cobalt pewter
yeah it's definitely out of place because the combination isn't really used for anything else
but it isn't really mentioned in the sugg
instead it focuses on the station being mostly for furniture?
idk
hollow shell
(I'm always slightly frustrated when it comes time to craft the watch
But I kinda like that it's at least something different)
(Gets me out of my typical crafting station room, even for a moment)
cobalt pewter
I should get one of those compact crafting rooms later for funsies
haven't figured that out for cal
fossil finch
I remember that sugg about crafting themed items in themed stations
Like how aerealite stuff is made on sky mill
I liked that sugg because variety!1!1! But nobody else did
Fun times
cobalt pewter
I liked that sugg because variety!1!1! But nobody else did
Fun times
because as rover said, it gets you out of your quirky crafting room
and people DESPISE that!!1!1!11!
fossil finch
Trolled
hollow shell
I would enjoy if crafting unique items made you do a little minigame that was themed to each crafting station
particularly for potions actually
so that crafting isn't as boring as single clicks
s'a thought I've had for a while
though it'd prolly be best as its own mod and also very difficult to execute
dapper coral
that would be great if the very well-coded game terraria wasn't the base for it
custom UIs are ass as it is, good luck trying to do anything extra on top of that
fossil finch
Just make the minigame give access to the click craft thing
hollow shell
That's also an option yeah
Would probably be easier to intercept the vanilla code that way
Made it so the tile is not considered valid for crafting until you do the minigame thing
instead of having to intercept the very code for crafting itself
gusty geode
Not trying to attack anyone here but
Why do I have a feeling that watch sugg was made by the type of person who unironically uses that infinite-town-NPC exploit with the weird-shaped house
That's still a thing right
hollow shell
I don't know if it's still a thing but yeah I know what you're talking about
cobalt pewter
ah
ashen warren
uh
gusty geode
I'm generally a ridiculously friendly and accepting person
But if you do this you disgust me
ashen warren
is it normal for scal(town npc) to stay normal in boss rush
hollow shell
Yeah I think that's lore actually
All the bosses you face in the rush aren't the real ones, they're imitations
ashen warren
oh ty
ashen warren
i thought it was a bug or sth
hollow shell
It's the same reason why the Rush SCal doesn't say anything
hollow shell
Nah it's just a thing for SCal
cuz of how talkative she normally is
DoG just says like, fight stuff
cobalt pewter
ahh
gusty geode
Idk if suggs regarding the BR are allowed but it'd honestly be kinda cool if, rather than just silence, BR SCal had some creepy dialogue alluding to the fact that she's not real, maybe talk a bit about what Xeroc's up to/allude to Noxus
hollow shell
You could suggest that.
cobalt rose
been thinking about suggesting to add more campfires and torches to calamity, are there already plans to do this or can i go ahead and suggest it
ashen warren
can i suggest to buff wulfrum enemies in hardmode
deft yew
are there any post-DoG wings besides silva?
it's been really bugging me
(before i go and make a sugg to add a cosmilite booster or whatever)
fossil finch
Cosmilite booster has been planned for ages
deft yew
ah alr
hollow shell
Indeed. We're technically still waiting for an acceptable sprite for it
hollow shell
been thinking about suggesting to add more campfires and torches to calamity, ar...
You can suggest that
hollow shell
can i suggest to buff wulfrum enemies in hardmode
You can but you need to explain why that should happen
deft yew
since silva makes the revive heal you more
hollow shell
And yeah probably something like that
tawny frost
deft yew
2 per day iirc
hollow shell
yeah, just make sure you don't have more than 2 suggestions in #suggestions-posting at a time
(tbh I should've had the foresight to change that to 1 per day before the update dropped)
fossil finch
"We're not buffing moab to despite defiled players"
- Merkalto
deft yew
thing is i have never played and will never play defiled in my life
my analogy not to use it in defiled was that it's wings anyway
hollow shell
Make Defiled also disable all additional jumps
cobalt pewter
oh one of my suggs have gone to voting
hollow shell
Make Defiled also disable any and all upward movement 
cobalt pewter
time to make another one of Astral Armor
cobalt rose
deft yew
Make Defiled also disable all additional jumps <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
i mean i think it disables rocket boots now too
sensible
hollow shell
Also Zavadurr it may be worth mentioning Basins in your suggestion
cobalt rose
ogh
hollow shell
cobalt pewter
I wonder why astral armor doesn't give even a slight bit of +max stealth value
deft yew
astral and not titan heart?
cobalt pewter
but otherwise i quickly thought about sugging astral armor to be more oriented on Astral Infection improvements instead of whatever useless shit it does rn
yeah, astral
the useless post cultist armor
deft yew
yeah it's...
let's be honest it's stinky
funny thing is it's rogue's only option besides hydrothermic
cobalt pewter
astral is classless
deft yew
yes ik
hollow shell
Astral armor has rework plans
cobalt pewter
👀
deft yew
literally only rogue gets a use out of it because every other class has something way better
cobalt pewter
TRUE!
cobalt pewter
literally only rogue gets a use out of it because every other class has somethin...
not even rogue can really benefit of it
it doesn't have bonus stealth, so you can't use stealth at all
deft yew
stealth buffs probably shoved astral under the bed for good
the only thing it gives that's even useful anymore is omniscience potion effect
cobalt pewter
hence my sugg to remove the armor set limitations on stealth