hmm i vaguely remember some changelog stating that boots max speed is now affected by move speed bonus, so I thought 8/10% ms from lightning/frostspark make it faster
#suggestions-discussion
small timber
cobalt pewter
Having Ice themed alcohols would be cool
Perhaps when Permafrost is around as well
cobalt pewter
A smoothie
...I wanted to continue this but I fear I'd be bonked
Fuck wrong reply AA. AA A A
hollow oriole
...I wanted to continue this but I fear I'd be bonked
Yes, the smoothie
The hottest drink
small tusk
lmao I was wondering why we were talking bout alcohol, then I went back to posting lol
cobalt pewter
Also if Eskimo boosts ice weapons, a couple other armors should also boost nature and fire
Balance
grim tusk
Obsidian outlaw, and molten boosting fire
Tiki, Fathom, Beetle and Silva boosting nature
royal tapir
Can confirm testing w/o anything else except Hermes Boots that I got up to 31 mph
cobalt pewter
I feel like early and late game can have those
Depends really
On the distribution of fire, ice and nature weapons
small timber
The following are the numbers I tested:
No boots = 23, Hermes = 30, Lightning and Frostspark both = 35
hollow shell
Okay cool, so Hermes is still better than no boots
small timber
I will try to pair with swiftness to see if it change
small timber
26,31,36,36
hollow oriole
I think I was dumb and frogot I had swiftness pots, Cus I had alch npc mod
Honestly I use the mod so much I just froget I have them
royal tapir
Angel Treads - 39
Seraph Tracers - 45
Elysian Tracers - 49
Celestial Tracers - 54
fossil finch
This kinda makes cryo drops implode again
Having two sets of the exact same thing back to back
hollow oriole
Also, not trying to be rude, but are there any more content planned for calam mod? Or will there be a decent hiatus from updates?
fossil finch
Also who said cryo is pre mechs 
hollow oriole
Also who said cryo is pre mechs <:ultimatesmug:807498328693669918>
I mean, technically it is
fossil finch
They're the same tier, do not fool yourself
hollow oriole
You just gotta beat it 
fossil finch
Therefore it makes sense
cobalt pewter
Unlike AS which is available to spawn freely post 1 mech and Brimmy is only spawnable post 2 mechs
(hate)
fossil finch
- it's better to just keep it there than reworking cryo spawn just for this or bringing them back to pre mech tier
Not like cryonic spawning is a thing lorewise, same with all ores
They're already there
small tusk
I just think cryo should be useable before killing 2 other bosses
fossil finch
I don't and i have a fair amount of reasons as to why
cobalt pewter
Make cryonic available post plant
sleek wadi
Cryogen still drops weapons and permafrost who also sells weapons, there is still incentive
small tusk
like
hey you killed this cool ice boss go get this ore
oh, you haven't killed these completely unrelated bosses, welp shit
cobalt pewter
Cryo is in side progression as opposed to mechs, which is part of the core progression
fossil finch
Also that's a thing more than once
(It actually never happens
fossil finch
Make cryo exist since phmode actually
It'd make sense for it to be like that
Cryo and cryo are completely unrelated after all
Like unironically
small tusk
lol
hollow shell
Also, not trying to be rude, but are there any more content planned for calam mo...
We have a lot of content planned but it will likely not come soon, kinda want a break after the huge update
hollow oriole
Cryo and cryo are completely unrelated after all
Expect in name
fossil finch
Cryogen has nothing to do with the ore it unlocks
hollow shell
In the short-term we do have a "Draedon catch-up" update coming soon-ish-ish
cobalt pewter
We have a lot of content planned but it will likely not come *soon*, kinda want ...
I am at least hoping for 1.5 polish throughout the smaller patches yea
small tusk
Cryogen has nothing to do with the ore it unlocks
well it doesn't unlock the ore lol
fossil finch
It does
small tusk
I know
fossil finch
Anyways
hollow oriole
We have a lot of content planned but it will likely not come *soon*, kinda want ...
Makes sence, I’m ok with the wait as it’s gonna take me a while to finish my Malace revenge mode playthrough
fossil finch
Cryonic's implied to be someone's machines, namely daedalous, that once did something wacky fucky and turned the place into a tundra
Cryo has no reason to spawn them, specially now that they have another requirement
Therefore the better solution is to move cryonic out of cryo instead
And just make it always exist
hollow shell
hmmmmmmmm
fossil finch
Like scoria or charred
small tusk
I mainly want it to make mage have a pre mech hm armor
hollow shell
The thing is that Scoria and Charred spawn in Cal's own biomes
fossil finch
Mage has cobalt and pallad and pallad is viable
small timber
or to make cryonic ore spawn as soon as hardmode start (like tier 1 ore) but make it only minable after cryogen is defeated (since cryo freeze the tundra that it is too solid to mine)
fossil finch
Again, i don't think making it pre mechs is a good idea
Granted you'd have to defeat cryo anyways but uh
Idk, it just doesn't convince me
Tiering is very important there because there's a lot of options and a lot to do
fossil finch
The thing is that Scoria and Charred spawn in Cal's own biomes
Yeah but i don't think making cryonic always exist in tundra would be a problem
You're already replacing blocks with them post cryo, i don't think it'd generate issues if you do the same at world creation
Granted worldgen is wucky fucky a lot of the times so who knows
small tusk
that's what i like about having cryo do this, because you get most of the regular gear for cryo, then kill cryo, now all you have to do is get cryonic, otherwise, you get geared, kill cryo, get a few drops, kill mechs and now you have to deal with getting loot from mechs, cryonic, adamantite and all at the same time
hollow shell
(also Reaper btw, your TLDR doesn't actually include all the needed fixes cuz a major issue is its mining req)
small tusk
oh ok
sleek wadi
The issue with having Cryonic spawn immediately is that the tundra will now be littered with unbreakable blocks that can't be removed for quite some time
small tusk
sry
fossil finch
Mechs barely unlock stuff and one mech unlocks arsenal so eh
fossil finch
The issue with having Cryonic spawn immediately is that the tundra will now be l...
Fair enough, but how much of a problem would that actually be
small tusk
but you still have all the loot locked behind adamantite and the anvils to deal with, it just seems like cryo would be better on it's own tier rather than shoved in with mechs
sleek wadi
You're expected to explore and more importantly mine through tundra early too compared to the other ores
hollow shell
Thanks Reaper
small timber
I think it is just better to make it spawn on hardmode rather than world gen, ice chest loots are more relevant in pre-hm so higher chance of exploration
fossil finch
The packets of ore aren't that big so that wouldn't really become a huge problem
cobalt pewter
Having cryonic be available all the time in tundra and pickable with post all mechs pick could be interesting
Instead of locking it behind cryogen
fossil finch
I'd only ever think of it as a problem when building, and there's no shame for cheating with that anyway
sleek wadi
It won't be a massive issue but tundra is already known to be more of a hassle than standard underground and having patches of unbreakables makes it slower
small tusk
is cryonic stuff even good post mech?
sleek wadi
It won't be a BIG issue yes, but it would be a new one for not much benefit
fossil finch
that's something you have to know before making suggs like this you know
grim tusk
Cryonic stuff is still great
small tusk
I know it's still good, but It's not like insanely good to be locked behind all of the mechs, where previously you got this to actually deal with the mechs
cobalt pewter
BH nerfs on calclone are welcome
Those are overtuned as shit atm for a post all mechs boss
fossil finch
First, it's locked behind two
Second, it's good at the tier so like
sleek wadi
The HM rework is meant to make the other not-titanium ores viable for mechs
grim tusk
Kelvin hits very hard, Ampoule still good (but not so op as back when it had honey dew), Darkecho is as great as ever, Flarefrost blade is extremely good, the golem seems good and shadecrystal is decent
fossil finch
Yes it is justified?????
sand umbra
Clone BH2 is bruh
cobalt pewter
Kelvin hits very hard, Ampoule still good (but not so op as back when it had hon...
Kelvin is a cryonic item?
I'm p sure it's mostly created off Cryogen drops
fossil finch
Nah
sand umbra
Kelvin is very much not a Cryonic item
cobalt pewter
Aside from Ice Stars
fossil finch
Yeah it doesn't require cryonic
cobalt pewter
Which is permafrost
sand umbra
it is made entirely with Cryogen drops...and also Ice Stars but that's a technicality shut up we don't count those--
fossil finch
Or adamantite
grim tusk
Didnt it use frigid bars before?
fossil finch
patreon dude from kelvin why ice stars
sand umbra
at some point and then Frigid Bars fuckin' died
fossil finch
Yes but they were removed instead of replaced
sand umbra
Frigid Bars weren't replaced, they just got removed
fossil finch
A unique property of it
All frigid crafts got replaced though, thomas
Mostly by cryonic
sand umbra
each item was retiered accordin' to its own merit, or at least I'd hope that was the case
cobalt pewter
Kelvin is available as soon as you can beat (and consistently grind) Cryogen
sand umbra
especially since multiple items got moved to also require two Mechs 
fossil finch
Consider ampoule and sponge no longer being
(Ampoule's now alone, poor thing
Doesn't upgrade into shitfarter 8642 defense acc anymore
cobalt pewter
Also back to cal clone BH, it's
- a tad too fast
- still able to reach NPC houses from bajilion of miles away
- as mentioned on the sugg, bh2 is fuck because cal clone immediately dashes after it's done
sand umbra
yeah Clone can act immediately out of BH2
which is hilarious in all possible scenarios but also not entirely fair
cobalt pewter
Yea
fossil finch
A calamity of a sugg
Look I'm surprised this didn't happen years ago when fab hated rod with all his soul
It's in no way happening now
The donor for relocator fucking coping
grim tusk
whywhywhywhywhywhywhywhy
Just no
RoD is essential for post-DoG (exo mechs specially, Ohio) specially on dmode
shell grotto
Yes
fossil finch
(Also you'd need to unnerf it, no reason for chaos state to make you unable to teleport if rod's a transport tool)
shell grotto
That’s why it needs to die
fossil finch
A calamity of a sugg
.
grim tusk
Also if you disable RoD expect everyone and their grandma to use spectral veil if playing rogue
fossil finch
The Wall of Text
cobalt pewter
spectral veil is garbage atm
True!
fossil finch
I'm seeing it
sand umbra
if you ask me, the primary issue with Veil is that its main function is already fulfilled better by a much earlier item
fossil finch
Failure
cobalt pewter
if you ask me, the primary issue with Veil is that its main function is already ...
And this is why we need to delete RoD
grim tusk
if you ask me, the primary issue with Veil is that its main function is already ...
Yep very true especially pre-buff
sleek wadi
If RoD didn't die already its sadly here to stay
cobalt pewter
Actually it's the exact same case with Sabaton and Slimy Saddle
shell grotto
Sabaton?
sand umbra
yeah Sabaton has the same problem except it gets outclassed twice
fossil finch
Maybe mention you have to unnerf it if you literally make it unusable on bossfights
sand umbra
once before itself and once afterwards
cobalt pewter
The former being HEAVILY overshadowed by the latter, while being obtainable way later and in expert mode
sleek wadi
We had YEARS to kill the fucker and the motive to do it
red stormBOT
shell grotto
Maybe mention you have to unnerf it if you literally make it unusable on bossfig...
Kinda goes without saying
grim tusk
I should have edited the sugg that just went in
fossil finch
It doesn't really
grim tusk
Not blood moon item but post-EoC
fossil finch
Anyways yeah this is not going anywhere
cobalt pewter
We had YEARS to kill the fucker and the motive to do it
The general playerbase aka children do not want rod to be gone
And here we are
sleek wadi
If I had to handle RoD myself, I would've removed chaos state and locked it out of boss fights. But yeah the sugg while it doesn't break any don'ts isn't happening
grim tusk
“everyone forgets that pitbulls are post-eoc for whatever reason” Altix
sand umbra
if I had to handle RoD myself, I'd make it an actually balanced item instead of ignorin' it or removin' it entirely, BUT what do I know about balance
not like I've committed multiple years of my life to workin' with this jank-ass game 
grim tusk
I can't remember
Supposedly but rare
sleek wadi
Oh no the general playerbase wasn't motivated to kill RoD but fab sure as fuck was
This thing is a design nightmare
sand umbra
at one point, maybe
sand umbra
okay so I don't really hate RoD
fossil finch
You see rod can be a combat and an exploration tool
They aren't completely impossible 5o achieve together
sleek wadi
You gotta design every boss with the knowledge that the player has a 15 second get-out-of-attack-free button at all times
grim tusk
Yep NR revolutionized how post-ML evasion works
cobalt pewter
I fuckin' despise NR
Even if the devs hate it, they're powerless to remove it
Capitalism
sand umbra
YEP
sleek wadi
But you also gotta make sure you don't design around RoD too hard and make it required
fossil finch
@nr donor go shit yourself
sand umbra
this is the power of patron items
shell grotto
Either RoD and other movements tactics like it along with boss movement gets toned down so more shit is viable, or more stupid stuff like RoD are created, which is essentially what is happening RN with worldwide slant platform fall god arenas, which are not realistic for a regular PT
sand umbra
have you tried buildin' for movement speed
cobalt pewter
Wee
sand umbra
just figured I'd ask that
grim tusk
Quick goes brrrr
sand umbra
because if you haven't I highly recommend doin' so
shell grotto
Yeah, and you go very fast it’s fun
fossil finch
Thomas singlehandedly trivializes the entirety of phmode malice with a stone and a frog leg
sand umbra
it's one of the greatest times you'll ever have
cobalt pewter
Thomas BLJ®
fossil finch
Worth of a big news emition
sand umbra
Sandstorm Long Jump™️
greatest movement tech of all time
except it's not actually advanced tech at all it's just a little-known fact about Sandstorm in a Bottle's jump
fossil finch
"Man goes out with a bottle filled with sand, a blue stone and the leg of a frog and achieves speeds never seen
fossil finch
"Claims he's going to prove how ridiculous malice mode is, proceeds to summon a giant sandworm"
sand umbra
to briefly explain to those unenlightened:
Sandstorm in a Bottle and Blizzard in a Bottle aren't capped the same way normal movement options are in terms of horizontal speed
both can reach speeds of up to about twice what your max grounded run speed is
Sandstorm's speed boost happens throughout the entire jump, which makes it much more noticeable as it lasts much longer, while Blizzard just gives a shorter burst of speed
footnote: for reasons I cannot comprehend, if you have wings on at all (yes, even in vanity slots. I tried) the speed is capped as with all other options
grim tusk
Jump god 2 sands of tide
sleek wadi
It breaking with wing vanity gives me the impression its somehow connected to that dumb little spin you do while sandstorm jumping
hollow shell
@novel timber #suggestions-voting message
small timber
if we are to value RoD the equivalent to a revive effect (mainly that you can dodge a lot of damage with it), why not make it have extremely long cooldown to revival level, like chaos state last 60 second in boss fights?
that way you don't have to remove NR which is a donor item from its main function
hollow shell
I do think disabling RoD entirely is pretty extreme
I mean, yeah you'll have it during exploration
which is nice
But it seems like the ultimate give-up option to just get rid of it during fights
small timber
many people will definitely be furious about it, that's for sure, I don't oppose to the idea of removing RoD too since it means bosses can have more reasonable attack that don't have to balance around a unbalanced dodge mechanic
hollow shell
I mean
No boss attacks are balancing around RoD
Quite the contrary, Fab hates RoD and makes sure that everything is doable without it
small timber
sry I mean in the way that it will not be trivialize just because RoD exist
grim tusk
Yea increasing the cooldown sounds like the best idea
That way you still have it but far less frequently
I suggest doubling the current cooldowns
fossil finch
Ok but can we make a compromise so it only happens during bossfights
small timber
I am thinking 60 second unironically, basically to revival level, 30 sec is still a get out of jail button most of the time
hollow shell
(I would also like it if we got back the ability to use it during cooldown to hurt ourselves, even if the pain gets increased a lot)
(Instead of not being able to use it during cooldown at all)
fossil finch
Calamity already kills it as an exploration tool a lot
So i think having nerfs happen only at bossfights is a good compromise
grim tusk
Agreed
small timber
the thing about chaos state being able to use on cooldown is that - if you take more damage on attack than chaos state = use it, if don't = not use it
grim tusk
On rev i feel like rod is too op, on dmode it feels more fine but still strong and extremely useful for stuff like Ohio
hollow shell
(((Make RoD have a charge-up animation that takes 1-2 seconds and teleports you to where you clicked at the start of the animation. No more panic dodging.)))
fossil finch
TRUE
small timber
that will likely alters its main function too much (basically instantanious repositioning)
fossil finch
You reworked early hm progression c'mon
Arguably with a config but still
cobalt pewter
(((Make RoD have a charge-up animation that takes 1-2 seconds and teleports you ...
The best change proposed here so far
Ngl
fossil finch
You can break that barrier
at the cost of a lot of headaches and 3 different warnings to mod compatibility
cobalt pewter
Basically forcing players to invest time in using RoD, much like Magic Mirror but way more extreme
do this to NR too
in some way
fossil finch
Byeah i don't think calamity should shy out of vanilla changes anymore
At least not of this sizee
Maybe "rework all biomes ever" is still reasonable not doing but you get my point
or my best idea ever, make reaver shamelessly replace chloro, using vanilla chloro ids so recipes from other mods don't implode
hollow shell
God please never do that
cobalt pewter
lmao
obsidian cove
(((Make RoD have a charge-up animation that takes 1-2 seconds and teleports you ...
I was once making a mod with RoD alternative that have effects like this, but like every mod I make it was broken in mp so I never publsihed it
hollow shell
Of course
grim tusk
Multiplayer
Bottom text
obsidian cove
I have a folder full of mods that would be published if I ever get motivated to fix mp
none of them are getting published ever
tardy smelt
I'm half-tempted to ask a mod to change my nickname to "Difficulty is Subjective"
hollow shell
I can if you want
cloud surge
oh yeah true, should i remove it and post there?
hollow shell
If you believe it to be a bug (which it probably is), then yes
tardy smelt
Ty
hollow shell
@bold wave She does hold out the sharp end of it during her dash attacks.
bold wave
That's true
But it's just sticking it in your direction
My suggestion was to make her use it in a meaningful way, afterall
but ehh, I can remove it if you'd like
hollow shell
but ehh, I can remove it if you'd like
Nah your sugg is fine. You probably should mention the dash in it though
bold wave
Sure
dapper coral
(this also sounds like a problem with post-yharon rogue selection in general)
(which maybe might change at some point idk)
robust lava
I guess I will throw in my opinion of the bugs channel sugg, although I am late and my opinion doesn’t count for much.
#bugs-read-pins works well at curating bugs when there is time for investigation and discussion, as then the real issues can be properly forwarded on to devs. Right now, the bugs are coming in too fast to give them all that courtesy. I personally do read through the whole channel (but that doesn’t count for much as a non-dev), and I will respond and try and assist if there haven’t been responses already. My time has also become more limited recently, so that didn’t help either.
As for the suggestion, my main concern is the moderation requirement, even if it were to be automated some way. Being able to address smaller fixable bugs before they are put in the main reporting channel sounds nice, but we all know that won’t stop people from A) posting straight to that channel without discussion, B) posting duplicates, or C) continuing to not read the pins 🙃.
I’m not entirely sure either way though. If Ozza doesn’t think that there would be much to gain from this, then that makes sense.
ruby plover
Yeah, I read through it a bit (evidently not as much as you) and respond to some, but the amount of cases where they are just duplicates or they haven’t read the pins… is just… nice and insane 🙂
ruby plover
i personally think that ares being completely stationary is good, in terms of being able to predict and doge his attacks
his methods of telegraphing attacks is by his laser arms slightly glowing and moving, which would be much harder to see if he moved about
manic aspen
ares' arms could be more relative to the player's position to counteract this
but honestly now that i think about it
you're probably right
distant gyro
I think movement could work but it has to still remain on screen
which is tough considering that thing's size
ruby plover
yeah true
i mean if you move fast enough vertically it does move but only to get back into position
distant gyro
that or give body another phase other than idle and blender
manic aspen
maybe it could speed up the further away it is
fossil finch
@small timber that's a thing the game itself does, doesn't really depend on cal
They could probably do smt so bigger items like it display better but still
small timber
oh ok, I thought it was just to fit some special effect (like the smoke for scoria bar), I guess I will just keep it there since technically it is a valid suggestion
ashen warren
im thinking, could there be some kind of sound or visual cue that plays onto the character once a recharge is over like the godslayer's dash?
hollow shell
Yes that is doable. Exists in the mod for a few abilities already
ashen warren
yeah like rage and adrenaline
hollow shell
Plague Reaper, Brimflame, and Omega Blue are more analogous
I think Bloodflare already has one
(Nin did a whole bunch a few updates back)
hollow shell
Ranger souls I think
grim tusk
Ye ranger has but true melee does not
hollow shell
aight, sugg can specify that then
novel timber
more bosses are gonna be added after scal and draedon in the future so enchantments will be more useful at that point
grim tusk
And exos are same tier as Scal
gray nebula
more bosses (3 and 2 are superbosses)
grim tusk
And the final boss you’re fighting are (B)oss (Ru)s(h) and AeW
brisk bramble
Boron, Rubidium, Hydrogen?
gray nebula
kinda have to agree with the suggestion that itd be nice to let the player have enchantments earlier so they can be more useful but
grim tusk
Boron, Rubidium, Hydrogen?
Bruh
gray nebula
it's not rly as easy to change
brisk bramble
gray nebula
the only thing I'm thinking or would be smth related to clone
brisk bramble
Also curious question
Will 1.5 have its kinks sorted out in the future
grim tusk
Idk what to suggest for BR, previous patch it was easy as hell but now its absolutely brutal (and the reactive DR maybe is too much)
hoary pollen
more bosses are gonna be added after scal and draedon in the future so enchantme...
Currently you only have to fight exo-mechs
brisk bramble
Im waiting till the Dumpster fire of malding has completely stopped
gray nebula
give her like (limited selection) of drops that act as enchants but you can't choose them
and weaker
exotic stag
Currently you only have to fight exo-mechs
exo mechs. BR. and (if you want) AEW.
novel timber
Currently you only have to fight exo-mechs
yes but if they move enchantments earlier and then more bosses come out they might have to move them back
hoary pollen
No, they don’t need to do that
grim tusk
This is getting ❗
exotic stag
to me this just seems like a switcheroo. switching the story
hoary pollen
That’s my reason
ashen warren
are you using light mode
exotic stag
are you using light mode
yes..
hoary pollen
to me this just seems like a switcheroo. switching the story
no i’m not
grim tusk
Yes you are lmao
Cal clone is not the actual Calamitas
hoary pollen
It’s not switching though, it’s changing
grim tusk
Well sugg is still invalid
exotic stag
It’s not switching though, it’s changing
you said first this. then you said "no i dont want them to do that" when someone commented on it
so yes its technically a switcheroo. end of story
hoary pollen
I still think the enchantments should be pre-ML
novel timber
i feel like the current place of the enchants is there for a reason
exotic stag
I still think the enchantments should be pre-ML
(theres a mod that can do that except its not as "op" as calamities)
novel timber
as in it's anticipating future content so it seems less useful now
hoary pollen
you said first this. then you said "no i dont want them to do that" when someone...
Didn’t say that tho
hoary pollen
as in it's anticipating future content so it seems less useful now
Yeah
small timber
just to make a point, how many enchantment are actually useful against draedon?
hoary pollen
Nothing really
novel timber
i mean from that perspective the exo gear is also only useful for fighting scal
hollow shell
@hoary pollen Your suggestion title is really confusing
Also, Boss Rush. You should acknowledge it.
small timber
just say it "make the calamitas clone spawn the Calamitas NPC"
because "real calamitas" is referring to Scal for common sense
gusty geode
So random question regarding worms
Would it be possible to have the head segment spawn at certain coordinates
And then each body segment spawn at those coordinates +/- a certain integer so it appears elsewhere in relation to the head
To ultimately have it spawn already unrolled and avoid the issues from having it be rolled up entirely?
hoary pollen
because "real calamitas" is referring to Scal for common sense
But if it spawns her, doesn’t that mean it’s technicaly the real calamitas?
small timber
@hoary pollen technically at that point the player are not aware she is the real calamitas, but mostly just to avoid confusion since there is a "real calamitas NPC" and a "real calamitas bossfight"
hoary pollen
Fair
hoary pollen
Also, Boss Rush. You should acknowledge it.
Boss rush should also be the same
hollow shell
You say that the Exo Mechs is the only other boss fight
hoary pollen
I meant for playthrough
hollow shell
Yes, people do the boss rush.
small timber
I actually somewhat agreed with the suggestion because I thought cal NPC spawn on cal clone (pre 1.5), but that argument is not really great since many enchantment are still useful for draedon and boss rush (or AeW if you count it)
hoary pollen
I had boss rush in mind but i’m mainly speaking for playthrough
small timber
at least in my opinion the main problem is that it is a mechanic that is way too unique and high effort that come way too late in the current game progression (as post-scal bosses are soon™)
hollow shell
(Oh those will not be soon)
small timber
basically the problem is not that they are useless, the problem is that the player have way too little opportunity to enjoy the enchantment, as the only opponent you can use it on is: draedon (although same tier, people are inclined to fight draedon first just because boss checklist ordering), AeW (how many people actually enjoy the fight is arguable), and Boss Rush (currently rather unbalanced)
hoary pollen
^
novel timber
rn it feels more like preparation for future content
like i can imagine once yharim and the others appear in a century the enchants will become a lot more relevant
hoary pollen
But why not make the enchantments relevant early?
small timber
ya at that point the current version will make a lot of sense, just you know, soon™
@hoary pollen "And probably make more items enchantable, like pre-HM to early HM stuff" also this sentence make little sense since I assume you can already enchant most weapons no? unless you are referring to exhume
hoary pollen
aren’t the items that are enchantable post-ML?
small timber
oh ok, didnt know it since I never try to enchant wooden bow or something, just because it is available so late, didnt know there is a restriction on it
weak field
hoary pollen
Yeah nvm, I meant exhumes
full pivot
community is preml iirc
hoary pollen
I was confused for a sec but yeah, exhumes
gray nebula
exhumed weaponrt aren't chosen because of their tier ingame
they're chosen for their significance lol
the burning sea (rancor) is hm but it was chosen because crazy wacky lore
full pivot
3/5 of the exhumable items are hm
hollow shell
Right, that's something I didn't think about
SCal's enchants and exhumes are meant to act as the equivalency to the Exo Weapons
full pivot
one of them dropped from calclone itself
hollow shell
Both SCal and Draedon have direct drops
then the post-fight newly accessible stuff are enchants for SCal and Exos for Drae
Also this Leviathan sugg is fine, I agree that would make the moment feel more significant
twin timber
:)
hollow shell
@lone geyser >Malice
fighting on-tier
Don't make me say it
small timber
I think you can scrap that "fighting on-tier", it is not fun whether you fight it on or off tier unless you come back with hardmode weapons and obliterate it
hollow shell
Okay well you didn't say you're fighting it as your first fight so it's probably still valid to say
timber yoke
Get the copypasta of the new malice description
lone geyser
i understand it's intended for you to come back to it after as a refight but in my opinion it shouldnt be straight up bullshit if you decide to try it on tier
i dont imagine coming back to it later would even change the main problem, you'd just kill it by outdamaging it before it could kill you
hollow shell
Yeah, so you can just say that it's bullshit period instead of only bullshit at that tier
small timber
I think just change to "fighting this boss in its current state is extremely unfair and also not fun"
hollow shell
Yeah, so you can just say that it's bullshit *period* instead of only bullshit a...
jus to remove that potential counterargument
hoary pollen
Tbh it isn’t really that hard as long as you got some kind of dash, it’s still hard but should be easier
small timber
malice brain teleport into your face literally, it simply should not be happening no matter if there is a solution to it
hoary pollen
Shield of Cthulhu can deal with that
fossil finch
Me when rebalancing half the fucking game to make something that will already be relevant relevant
hollow shell
@undone robin No
hollow shell
(It's a Don't listed in the Don'ts Doc)
half sage
too slow smh
hollow shell
yea
undone robin
oh sorry
fossil finch
I still think this is stinky but lol!
hollow idol
Reworking the entirety of early hardmode isnt far into editing vanilla but a single damage type is?
half sage
obsidian cove
~~Reworking the entirety of early hardmode isnt far into editing vanilla but a s...
Knowing terraria that’s probably true
hollow idol
very fair
obsidian cove
Terraria devs after making a 6000 line long else if chain that’s ridiculously hard coded
You start to see why each update took forever to make
hollow shell
~~Reworking the entirety of early hardmode isnt far into editing vanilla but a s...
🤔
Early HM rework is toggleable, I am wondering if making a vanilla damage type edit being toggleable would be just like introducing melee/rogue alts all over again, double balancing
hollow idol
sincerely doubt that its planned
go for it
Meld furniture funny. Palette apparently sucks to work with and the few people Ive seen attempt it gave up due to it
deft yew
The lunar furnitures are only in 1.4 anyway
hollow idol
seperate the sugg imo
copper turret
I don't know why, but the rancor's text just becomes smaller
I'll send a screenshot
I'm nto sure if it got fixed though
or if it's a bug caused by another mod
hollow shell
First I've ever heard of something like that
deft yew
It must be shrunk because those two lines are ridiculously long
copper turret
Also for some reason the text appears to the left of the cursor instead of the right, not sure if it's related
deft yew
Just simplify their descriptions geezalou
copper turret
but at this point I'm nitpicking
Well then what about revengeance?
Why isn't revengeance shortened but rancor is?
copper turret
True, but still it would help
Oh, right, shattered community also happens to have the smaller text
hollow shell
I can't see where this kind of shrinkening would be happening in the source code
but I assume its intentional due to the large tooltips?
I'm mainly confused
cobalt pewter
Seems like too much is happening on a single line
copper turret
You could just make this a thing for items with long tool tips
If tool tips are long, shrink the texr
granite sphinx
heyo, just beat rev calamitas and ive got a suggestion
during the phase when the brothers spawn, Calamitas becomes invincible and its required to defeat the brothers to move on with the fight
this is fine, its an interesting and difficult part of the fight
whats not fine is the fact that Calamitas still deals contact damage and can bodyblock your attacks from hitting her brothers, especially if you dont have any pierce
in a total of about 50 attempts, this caused me to die multiple times during the brothers phase because i wasnt able to hit them, and it required switching to an alternative weapon to deal with this
while objectively a smart decision on the ai's part to mess with the player, it was very frustrating and lead to a number of deaths
i would suggest making her completely intangible during the phase, but what do you all think?
hollow shell
I don't know enough about her current fight to know how prominent this issue is
But, you can make a suggestion about it
Seems like you know what to write already
grim tusk
but I assume its intentional due to the large tooltips?
Maybe add more line breaks
#suggestions-voting message 6 more
#suggestions-voting message 6 more as well
@rocky flax SIS
(Specific item suggestions) are not allowed 
hollow shell
That is not an SIS
grim tusk
Then where does it fall in?
hollow shell
It's a fine suggestion but the reasoning needs to be more elaborated
languid quartz
maybe elaborate on the point by saying it's customary in calamity that elementals get accessories, but earth elemental is mostly in this regard
but looks good otherwise
ashen warren
whats not fine is the fact that Calamitas still deals contact damage and can bod...
personally this is very annoying yeah
spark pulsar
I think the contact damage is fine, but it can get a bit annoying with cal tanking hits. Especially with weapons that don’t pierce
cobalt pewter
Giving him a stone like Aero and Chaos could be neat, though then it'd be dissonant with hoe the rest of the stones drop (bosses)
Giving them a standalone summon acc would be a bit jarring if they don't go into HotE
ashen warren
speaking of calamitas are you guys planning onto reworking it like how you did with scal
because flying brimstone eye is just off
spark pulsar
It’s gonna get replaced eventually
cobalt pewter
Iban is quirky and wants to do it, but not in the near future I think
ashen warren
or removed entirely
spark pulsar
Concept art is pinned somewhere
ashen warren
maybe rebrand the lore of the eye cal clone as one of scal's magic minions or some shit
half sage
Giving them a standalone summon acc would be a bit jarring if they don't go into...
sigma male earth elemental doesn't need to be in the HOTE
cobalt pewter
I just saw the plant sugg in #suggestions-voting
Me when I killed plant in Temple
Aside from the spike balls, the fight is completely doable in generated Temple arena
Even then you can probably maneuver through the bouncing spike balls semi consistently
rocky flax
wait should I ping the mod to see if my suggestion's better now?
hollow shell
That is better, thank you
rocky flax
thanks for giving me the heads up
granite sphinx
suggestion made, lemme know if i need to change it
ruby plover
could probably replace "calamitas, not supreme" with "calamitas clone", a bit simpler
granite sphinx
i didnt think of that, good point
snow bobcat
So I've been researching non-magic snow and ice ranged stuff, and I've found a few things from a few different mods, and wanted to know what the creators of some of these mods thought of these items, and maybe some of my ideas for expanding a few things for at least SOME of them.
So the champion mod has the snowball rifle and the snowball sledgeshot and the frosthrower, calamity adds the flurrystorm cannon, grealm adds the iceball minigun, storm diver's adds the cryofreezer, and the frost pelter is in the 're-add in frost pelter to thorium mod', and as far as ammo goes, more endless ammo+ adds the endless snowball chunk and the endless gel bag (for the cryofreezer and frosthrower...), storm divers adds frost bullets, champion adds frostburn flares, and calamity adds frostspark bullets.
Hmmmm.
I suppose what I want is more variety of gel and snowball and flare ammo, maybe some ice torch variant molotov cocktails, and endless versions of at least some of the above mentioned ammo types for hardmode. It'd be interesting to combine gel with a snowball for some sort of frozen gelball sort of ammo for the snow guns, as an example. Or a gel ammo for flamethrowers that turns some of the non ice ones to ice, or IMPROVES the ice ones, maybe. There's also the fact that SOME of these mods are abandoned (Champion...), so it might be a good idea to try and get permission to move some of their assets to other mods! Could anything like this be done, you think? I'm super keen on the idea of, well, an icy ranged gun that shoots something that glows and goes pop on impact and makes enemies glow with frostburn that isn't shooting, yaknow. Arrows. And that has an endless version of whatever it is for hardmode!
languid quartz
that seems like a fine suggestion tbh
just like add variety to snowball, flare and gel ammo types
snow bobcat
eh I'm a bit more wordy!
hollow shell
Problem with that
quite a big one
It's been looked into, giving more variety to ammo types that currently only have one dedicated item (specifically Gel for flamethrowers)
and it would be very difficult or impossible code-wise to make flamethrowers accept a variety of gels rather than the singular Gel item
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell oh actually rover, did I forgot to ask for donor permission for the Kelvin Catalyst sugg?
Just realized now
hollow shell
When I saw your sugg I forgot Kelvin was a donor item, legit
half sage
didn't it used to not have a stealth strike before 1.5 cuz melee variant, if so it should be fine if stealth strike wasn't part of the donation right?
sleek wadi
Would just having Calamity flamethrowers accept different gel types be reasonable then? I don't think it'd cause a major fuss considering there are only 2 vanilla flamethrowers
half sage
hollow shell
I don't think you'd really need permission for that anyway
half sage
cuz iirc yanmei knife suggestion didn't need permission since the way it sounded wasn't specified in the donatiom
hollow shell
s'mostly balance-based
cobalt pewter
Ahh
hollow shell
cuz iirc yanmei knife suggestion didn't need permission since the way it sounded...
Which Yanmei suggestion?
half sage
the one to change its sound
hollow shell
Oh I got permission for that
cobalt pewter
The brothers of cal clone are generally too tanky in my experience
Idk why but I always get a minimum of 4 mins on cal clone
No matter what I use for stealth rogue
snow bobcat
It's been looked into, giving more variety to ammo types that currently only hav...
what about for the snowguns, then?
dapper coral
No matter what I use for stealth rogue
stealth rogue
i believe this is your issue
hollow shell
what about for the snowguns, then?
I doubt it would be any different
Same for Rocket Launchers.
Pre-1.4 it is impossible to add your own rocket ammo, because launchers are programmed to specifically look at the 4 numeric IDs for the 4 vanilla rockets
In fact, it uses a system where it actually takes the Rocket 1's ID and adds to it by +1, +2, or +3 to get the other 4 IDs
which means that trying to fuck with it can cause the launcher to shoot out whatever is nearby the vanilla rockets in the ID table
snow bobcat
oh dear
cobalt pewter
> stealth rogue
i believe this is your issue <:HDFailure:458468162795470859>
Shut 
snow bobcat
what about the flareguns, could something be done with those? Calamity seems to add the most flareguns
other than one that Champion seems to add
surely those could be ersatz microgrenade launchers?
hollow shell
I doubt it would be any different
(dude I dunno what else to say)
snow bobcat
well there are a variety of flares
hollow shell
True, there are 2
(I don't actually know if the blue flares show up when you use Firestorm or Spectralstorm or not)
snow bobcat
and some mods add some more I mean.
hollow shell
Is that so
That's a good sign then
snow bobcat
so to me it seems that's a reasonable avenue to make early, kind of not amazing compared to the late game stuff, small-explosion microgrenades, that fly relatively straight!
ya, in the Champion Mod
dapper coral
(I don't actually know if the blue flares show up when you use Firestorm or Spec...
i think they do
definitely firestorm from what i remember
snow bobcat
does the code let you make a flare that explodes?
hollow shell
No idea, but if custom flares are possible then I actually wouldn't doubt it
also @ashen warren Your suggestion doesn't have a proper line break after the title
(other suggs vs your own, in case you don't see it on your end)
Also most of your suggestion boils down to what seems like a lack of communication
the confusion that arose from the game not doing what you expected
I don't think the answer is disabling it by default, it's that we should make it more clear that a new system is in place
half sage
^, plus early hardmode is going to be rebalanced with the new system in mind, not vanilla's
so it'll definitely not get disabled by default
obsidian cove
Some way to communicate to the player that ores require a boss to be killed to spawn would be nice
small timber
currently if I remember correctly the only hint is on the pwnhammer itself
obsidian cove
well if there is one, making it more obvious might also be good, the support channel on tmod server has at least a couple people a day ask why the ores arent spawning
small timber
ya the tooltip is lacking, "smashing demon altar no longer spawn ore" is in no way equivalent to "destroy mechs are required to spawn new ores"
snow bobcat
okay! I added a suggestion formally, lol
small timber
although it is just my opinion, it is likely more efficiently to add more variety of flareguns that have their own unique effect rather than tempering with the ammo itself (considering we are not sure how hard it is to code), but it can be interesting
since if they are to add more flaregun ammo varient they will have to make more flareguns upgrade anyway, otherwise it have nothing to use it on
snow bobcat
i just want my boltgun
small timber
I will just use the same argument as a previously similar suggestion, making Ares move can be extremely disorienting as unlike the Scal fight where she is the only enemy in the screen, in Ares fight you have to pay attention to 4 arms on the screen at once, and +3 mechs in their gangbang phase. If Ares are not static it will not only make it extremely hard to see the weapons and their telegraph (which is currently already difficult), but can also causes people to feel physically uncomfortable
they will have to significantly improve Ares' arm telegraph so that player will not have to pay absolute attention to them before something like this is practically a good change
hollow shell
@ashen warren A suggestion still in posting about this and a suggestion delivered to voting yesterday about this
ashen warren
<@456226577798135808> A suggestion still in posting about this and a suggestion ...
Oh, I didn't see that. Sorry, should I delete my suggestion?
hollow shell
Probably, yeah
Upvote this
#suggestions-voting message
(it is more specific than your suggestion which I actually dislike, your sugg is better at leaving the options open, but oh well)
ashen warren
Thank you
hollow shell
this is the Posting suggestion #suggestions-posting message
which I will prolly exclam now that I noticed it
cuz of the bobbing one
radiant meadow
mfw two weapons is "the most variety I've ever seen"
real steppe
That RoD suggestion is probably the most controversial suggestion I had ever seen
languid quartz
yeah lol
real steppe
It's a valid suggestion but I don't think it's gonna be winning any stars
half sage
yea
hollow oriole
mfw two weapons is "the most variety I've ever seen"
Ok, but how about three weapons 
ripe owl
I have problems with understanding "Make Cryonic gear usable pre-Mechs"
Especially mage armor part
You literally have mage variarions of ore armors
And after 2nd mech you also have Forbidden armor
grim tusk
People are so used to using adam/titanium and then trashing em for daedalus
Maybe post-1 mech
hollow shell
@tawny frost "ancient auric tesla helmet"? Am I stupid or is that not a Calamity thing and probably a CalVal thing?
half sage
it's a calval thing
half sage
so not something for this mod to add
tawny frost
im stupid my apology
half sage
We could add that helmet actually
yea I meant adding the dialogue
hollow shell
Ah I see
silver silo
well the helmet is yharims helmet right, so
hollow idol
We could add that helmet actually
Ancient Auric is certainly more iconic than Ancient God Slayer (even before I added a resprited version to vanities I saw fanart of players with the old Auric helm sprite in late 2019 despite being removed in early 2018)
also Cirrus doesn't react to the alicorn mount anymore because it straight up makes her disappear
cobalt pewter
lmao
crude geode
People are so used to using adam/titanium and then trashing em for daedalus
Even when you start considering some sets they're still kinda trash/not even debatable lol
Like Palladium vs Cobalt.
grim tusk
Cobalt gives a lot of speed but palladium is just
The one true set that is truly shit is mythril
cobalt pewter
The armors haven't gotten a rework anyways
grim tusk
Pretty much just use mythril for knives, anvil and pick
cobalt pewter
Ah yes
grim tusk
And what feedza said
cobalt pewter
Knives
crude geode
Would I like life regen so insane it had to be nerfed, or like 14% reduced mana usage and no magic damage.
grim tusk
(Very funny)
crude geode
(rework debuffs moment)
byeah it's understandable that people complain about hm armors considering the changes to progression have been made, but no armor buffs
So Cobalt mage is just straight up complete trash when compared to palladium, mythril is shit, and titanium armor is titanium armor
that's not the problem.
yeah it's chill
Cobalt for mage also just. doesn't give magic damage and gives less than statigel overall for crit + damage iirc
hollow shell
(It also drops from Trashers at 5% rate, not just Sharks)
hollow shell
(It also drops from Trashers at 5% rate, not just Sharks)
@silent ibex
silent ibex
Thanks, didn't know that. I guess I can run my ass to the exact opposite end of the world to look... but I'd still keep the suggestion up, since most other items like that have an alternate crafting recipe
rigid quest
I had more luck with trashers to get the diving thing than sharks
rigid quest
Hmmm i didnt know
weary light
You know what I mean
weary light
It’s stated above
weary light
Dam i should have known
I meant to say that for my trasher autocorrect thing not what you said
crude geode
Likely cuz trashers:gnashers isn’t an abysmal ratio like shark:jellyfish is
Even back when defiled rune did something, it was still better to just farm trashers cuz the ratio made such a difference
hollow shell
Thanks, didn't know that. I guess I can run my ass to the exact opposite end of...
Well you should mention Trashers in your suggestion, is what I mean
cuz you say Sharks are the only source
crude geode
Rover, is there any plans to improve drop rate of things (ex. ink bomb/jellyfish necklace) that were previously affected by defiled rune?
silent ibex
Good idea, done.
hollow shell
Not the edit I had in mind but that works lol
hollow shell
Rover, is there any plans to improve drop rate of things (ex. ink bomb/jellyfish...
And uhh, if they haven't been raised already then no
silent ibex
It's difficult to look up on the wiki, because it's a vanilla item and redirects to the vanilla page and... hmm, I remember on the old wiki there was a big list of new vanilla drop sources, I should go look for that on the new one
weary light
@winter lotus celestus is a viable option unless it got nerfed in the update
distant gyro
celestus is post-exo mechs
crude geode
And uhh, if they haven't been raised already then no
Is it fine to generally suggest something along the lines of “raise all drop chances to defiled rune levels”? It would make farming things such as ink bomb and jelly necklace less of a pain
hollow shell
Yeah I suppose so
rigid quest
I thought ink bomb and the jelly necklace is super common
crude geode
jellyfish necklace is a 1% drop from jellyfish
and is not made with a recipe, but is used in abyssal diving gear, making it highly annoying
ink bomb is a 2% from cuttle fish and a 4% from giant squids, both not very common enemies in the abyss, which is just rather annoying for a conditionally good rogue acc. (stealth for taking damage is kinda 
)
cobalt pewter
Yea
rigid quest
Zerg and battle could help i think
crude geode
zerg and battle in pre-hm abyss
rigid quest
I never knew it was this low for the drops
crude geode
giant squids will almost always take away like half of you health from touching you pre-hm lol
they deal 200 damage.
crude geode
not attracting attention and focusing on moving
Visit 1 to the Abyss has you focused on learning how to manuever in it, Visit 2 has you learning how to deal with enemies (as you need Depth Cells) in said environment, and Visit 3 has you not dealing with any of that and instead being in big open space
rigid quest
I once thought the sulfur skin potion was for the aquatic biome under the desert
half sage
me waiting for that diving helmet sugg to hit voting so I can star it frame one
I hate that thing
ruby plover
You can find diving helmet in jungle planetoids
cobalt pewter
Guaranteed?
ruby plover
But not all worlds have those with that specific loot
cobalt pewter
Ah figured
ruby plover
Yeah it’s still a good suggestion
I spent about 10 minutes straight this morning getting one jellyfish necklace, too
Perhaps not 100% back to defiled drop rates, it made things real messy especially during blood moons and such
But having some semblance of it (a.k.a just higher drop rates) would be good
eager salmon
I think jellyfish is the only one that really needs a change. Maybe just make it 2%
Diving helmet I’ve never had a problem with.
Ink bomb either
ashen warren
i think vampire knives and its upgrade should be rogue
half sage
cobalt pewter
The vampire knives themselves cannot be rogue yea
The upgrade is melee though iirc
ruby plover
yeah the knives are melee
i think if the first part of the recipe is melee it stays melee, e.g. paladin hammer line
and scourge of the cosmos
half sage
basically hammers and knives became melee boomerangs became rogue
ruby plover
huh, true
cobalt pewter
@lusty iris Spent Fuel Container is technically intended to be post 1 mech I guess, even if AS spawns naturally anytime
His spawner needs mythril anvil
But yeah, Spent Fuel Container is still significantly stronger than both Consecrated and Desecrated Waters
And slightly easier to get beyond tiering
You just need to get through T2 Acid Rain and kill a single Cragmaw Mire
Meanwhile Desecrated Water needs Ebonsand which is
(technically the unholy water in its material needs Ebonsand, but yea)
torn crown
What if des/consecrated water uses a different explosion when hit mid-air?
distant gyro
des does
winter lotus
<@572403468804030484> celestus is a viable option unless it got nerfed in the up...
its ok i beat it and also celestus is post exo mechs
gray nebula
why would go go around with all the spawn blockers at once lol...
ur supposed to have the ones u only rly need when farming for specific stuff
want to farm in the sulfur sea? get the bleach ball. want go farm in hell? get the voodoo demon voodoo doll.
it'd be weird yo go around with both the siren and the as spawn blockers
neat citrus
nobody mentioned my suggestion yet
silver silo
why would go go around with all the spawn blockers at once lol...
he must really hate boss spawners
heavy urchin
sheesh the top suggestions only have 80 votes
hardy dock
This despawn thing sounds like a You problem, you’re really not supposed to run very far from them in the first place
sonic sigil
Well the problem is that I'm not running particularly far away, only about a screen and a half, which other bosses either could keep up with, or didn't despawn from.
The problem also somewhat ties in with an older suggestion to make skeletron easier to respawn but that's already been said.
heavy urchin
getting 110 mph is your responisibility to evade the boss instead of strafing it
also how tf
you must be doing some vdash shit
distant gyro
sandstorm bottle with speed minmax moment
heavy urchin
i don't see how ones gonna use that
sonic sigil
I think bosses should respawn if you get too far away
I just don't think ~150 blocks is too far away
torn crown
Seems like an issue of just running away
Ive beaten said malice bosses in smaller arenas and it's pretty dodgeable
sleek turret
congratulations
tardy smelt
fun fact
winter lotus
that is if people see my suggestion and vote on it
tardy smelt
none of the suggs in #suggestions-voting that got posted after the Draedon update dropped managed to get into dev voting
sleek turret
welcome to early post-update suggestions moment
torn crown
Executioner's blade but I misread your message as pre-yharon
Anyway isn't I. Kris good enough?
I heard it was meta-levels of good
winter lotus
whats the i kris
winter lotus
Infernal kris
im sorry do you mean the pre hardmode pre perforators and hive mind rogue weapon made out of hellstone
torn crown
Final dawn was also good~~, too good in fact that that they specifically nerfed it for the exo mechs~~
winter lotus
torn crown
im sorry do you mean the pre hardmode pre perforators and hive mind rogue weapon...
Wait no not that
winter lotus
Final dawn was also good~~, too good in fact that that they specifically nerfed ...
aha
ahahahahahahahahawhqwhjeqwhqwe
tardy smelt
welcome to early post-update suggestions moment
thankfully my sugg is doing pretty well so far
but yeah.
winter lotus
imagine
torn crown
Ah wait
winter lotus
reliable final dawn
tardy smelt
also this sugg probably deserves to reach the star req lol
winter lotus
I didn't realize Wrathring = Infernal Spear
yep they renamed it
winter lotus
also this sugg probably deserves to reach the star req lol
ah
tardy smelt
imho 
winter lotus
torn crown
I had the change schematics tooltip once decrypted sugg but it stagnated 
Last time I checked it was nearing 200
@winter lotus wait are you using spam rogue or stealth rogue?
tardy smelt
I had the change schematics tooltip once decrypted sugg but it stagnated <:booho...
usually my suggs have a 50/50 chance of getting into dev voting or not
winter lotus
<@572403468804030484> wait are you using spam rogue or stealth rogue?
for weapons like wrathwing i just spam but final dawn i sometimes stealth strike by accident but usually i just use it normally while holding w
torn crown
usually my suggs have a 50/50 chance of getting into dev voting or not
Yeah I see one of your sugg's get sent from time to time
torn crown
for weapons like wrathwing i just spam but final dawn i sometimes stealth strike...
I see I see
winter lotus
but my suggestion doesnt matter anymore cus i beat the exo mechs already and also scal so its useless it doesnt need to be fixed anymore
ok now by by
tardy smelt
Yeah I see one of your sugg's get sent from time to time
y'know what'd be hilarious
if during DoG's fight all the sentinels appeared at the same time
it'd be terrible, but hilarious
was just thinking this because I was taken back to my old patrolling sentinels sugg
that was a good suggestion
torn crown
if during DoG's fight all the sentinels appeared at the same time
Looks cool
Like a sort of tag-fight on P2
heavy urchin
if during DoG's fight all the sentinels appeared at the same time
wait didn't you have to fight the sentinels during dog?
one by one
do you stil have to do that?
torn crown
wait didn't you have to fight the sentinels during dog?
You fight them twice
1 individually, the second in it's weakened form during DoG
heavy urchin
ah
tardy smelt
do you stil have to do that?
yeah you do
heavy urchin
that should be removed imo
tardy smelt
Like a sort of tag-fight on P2
no it'd be HORRIBLE
tardy smelt
that should be removed imo
its fine, you only have to do that once
heavy urchin
its fine, you only have to do that once
?
tardy smelt
they never reappear again once you cleared out the sentinels phase once
heavy urchin
ah ok
torn crown
no it'd be HORRIBLE
Yeah but it's within the assumption that their AI will be changed to cooperate with esch other
heavy urchin
Yeah but it's within the assumption that their AI will be changed to cooperate w...
yeah but it's within the assumption that the devs can code that
tardy smelt
they probably can
heavy urchin
you know how hard it is to code synced ai right
tardy smelt
but it'd be too high-effort to make the fight work
torn crown
you know how hard it is to code synced ai right
They've done it with the exo mechs
heavy urchin
^
torn crown
but it'd be too high-effort to make the fight work
Also this ig
tardy smelt
yeah
I don't think coding is the limiting factor here
its fight design
pre-1.5 I ended up with all three of them active during the sentinels phase a few times
lemme tell you
its not fine
at all
torn crown
Hey wait what was the reason for the sentinels no longer appearing on rematches once you reach P2?
heavy urchin
Hey wait what was the reason for the sentinels no longer appearing on rematches ...
tedium
tardy smelt
yep
simple as that
otherwise each attempt at reaching P2 again would take insanely long
and that'd be just annoying
heavy urchin
weakened versions add nothing to the fight except for chip damage
torn crown
Maybe it could be made something more thematic to feel that they belong to the fight
heavy urchin
otherwise each attempt at reaching P2 again would take insanely long
absolute pain for nohitters
torn crown
Right now it feels like a weird interlude
heavy urchin
god crabbar had a bad time
one thing: does favoriting defiled feather in your inveneotry increase drop rates and allow critting?
ashen warren
Nohitters don't deserve empathy
heavy urchin
rn it only disables flight
heavy urchin
Nohitters don't deserve empathy
still pain for normal players lol
ashen warren
No it's only for disabling flight
torn crown
one thing: does favoriting defiled feather in your inveneotry increase drop rate...
No
It's not planned to carry out those other things
heavy urchin
trying once every 5 min is pain
terraria bosses are quite more spammy than say, something like hollow knight
very inconsistent
torn crown
There was a sugg about boosting rare drops into their defiled equivalents because of the funni drop rates of stuff that belong into big crafting trees
heavy urchin
There was a sugg about boosting rare drops into their defiled equivalents becaus...
i agree
also why does the mirror need black lens
literally rng
im post golem and i still dont have a black lens
torn crown
Probably because of the "black" aspect
heavy urchin
similarly, why does dragonfruit have teal mushrooms
torn crown
Probably for pigmentation
heavy urchin
the most random stuff thrown into stuff that are literally rng checks
same with class weapons getting thrown into other classes
like ench boomer-equamity
heavy urchin
phyco knife - that one knife that gives buffs
gatagator-that mage weapon
it shouldn't exist
someone like me would sell/trash them
torn crown
Yeah I'm also confused about the reasoning behind it
heavy urchin
stuff shouldn't be added into stuff for the sole purpose of "pigmentation"
especially one that a normal person would trash if they didn't recipe browser everything they got
at that point its literally a fetcher quest but with rng added to it
il prob suggest that once the dreadon wave goes away
cobalt pewter
like ench boomer-equamity
ench boomerang isn't directly part of equanimity recipe tho?
heavy urchin
ench boomerang isn't directly part of equanimity recipe tho?
flamerang
cobalt pewter
it crafts into flamarang
tardy smelt
absolute pain for nohitters
for everyone
torn crown
ench boomerang isn't directly part of equanimity recipe tho?
Ench. Boomerang can be crafted into flamarang
tardy smelt
before making any suggestions regarding actually fighting the sentinels, though
heavy urchin
make equamity not use flamarang
cobalt pewter
i did say directly
tardy smelt
you probably wanna wait for the Siggy rework
heavy urchin
siggy?
torn crown
Signut
heavy urchin
whats the siggy rework
cobalt pewter
dark, light shards
torn crown
whats the siggy rework
The boss, along with Provi's guardians will be reworked later on
heavy urchin
flamarang and ice boomerang is the intended recipe of equanimity
then add hellstone or an alternate crafting recipie for flamerang
tardy smelt
The boss, along with Provi's guardians will be reworked later on
yeah
heavy urchin
i sold/trashed every enchanted boomerang i got due to me thinking that it would upgrade into melee stuf
same with phyco knife
cobalt pewter
what
torn crown
I'm interested to see how will the reworkrd guardians play out in Providence's fight
heavy urchin
yammni's knife shouldn't require a melee weapon
thats like making marked magnum require a ranged weapon
or lunic eye require a mage weapon
torn crown
I think every classes' big-boy weapons have at least 1 recipe with a different weapon class into them
heavy urchin
yes and thats poor game design
tardy smelt
i sold/trashed every enchanted boomerang i got due to me thinking that it would ...
I do the same actually
I just trash every weapon that's not from my class
its a little counter-intuitive, admittedly
but not that big
heavy urchin
but not that big
so do you go looking for chests for that one enchanted boomerang?
its annoying
torn crown
Usually no because hell chests exist
heavy urchin
when did flamerang drop from shadow chests
tardy smelt
always has
also I think you can craft enchanted boomerang in calams
might be wrong tho
heavy urchin
also I think you can craft enchanted boomerang in calams
cant
make it craftable via iron, wood, and stars
tardy smelt
ok
then that's a 1.4 thing
so not necessary either way
its just that calamity adds recipes for TONS of non-craftable vanilla items
like cloud/blizzard/sandstorm in a bottle, red balloon, life crystals etc
heavy urchin
so why not add a recipe thats required for an endgame rogue weapon?
tardy smelt
uhh
that ain't vanilla
and those all have recipes or are dropped by bosses anyway
endgame doesn't have exploration, it only has bosses and grinding sadly
but that'll get addressed in a while
heavy urchin
flamerang is vanilla
and ench boomer doesn't have a recipie or is dropped by a boss
you might as well just cheat sheet those things in
torn crown
endgame doesn't have exploration, it only has bosses and grinding sadly
Mostly doesn't have it because by that time the player would've already explored the entire world
Which is why I'm looking up to the biome reworks 
tardy smelt
that won't fix that issue
the biome reworks are just there to make the existing biomes better
tardy smelt
Mostly doesn't have it because by that time the player would've already explored...
also, its not entirely because of that
torn crown
Well it's called the biome rework but I reckon that they'll also add some new ones
tardy smelt
its also because a lot of the content calamity adds originates from an age where the devs' sole priority was to just spam more weapons and bosses into the mod
that includes post-Moonlord
distant gyro
biome expansion/rework is poggie
tardy smelt
absolutely
torn crown
tardy smelt
that includes post-Moonlord
a lot has changed since
and decent progress is being made on replacing old, deprecated content with stuff that lives up to the higher quality standards of nowadays
see the Ceaseless Void rework, the SCal resprite etc
but thanks to the old calamity days that backbone of every playthrough being an effective boss rush, especially towards the end where there's no (relatively varied) vanilla content to back it up... its still there
it'll take a while to fix that just because of how global this issue is
snow bobcat
what did you all think of my suggestion of eventually turning the flaregun line of guns into bolters?
exotic stag
i sugg'd something like it ages ago. and it was denied so im pretty sure no. and stake launcher exists (Which is kinda like a bolter)
anyway can i ask a tester to test like. spear of paleolith vs levi (not anahita.)
thinking of sugging a nerf for it since its like
very op (currently to my sightings) against levi
snow bobcat
so what options are there for ranged or throwing weapons that rapidly shoot projectiles that aren't (very) affected by gravity, and go pop in small explosions (smaller than grenades) on impact?
that, ideally, have an infinite version in early hardmode?
small timber
I don't think infinite version is quite an essential condition, the only infinite ammo is standard musketball (which I don't think anyone use unless weapons have musketball-changing quality)
Small explosions are mostly replaced by piercing, so I also don't remember much explosion weapons other than on bullets or launchers
exotic stag
byeah theres like none
snow bobcat
why ARE there no small explosion, why the focus on piercing instead?
so shouldn't there be an option for people who prefer small explosions to piercing?
exotic stag
because piercing.
snow bobcat
but I want something that will hit a bunch of clumped up enemies
exotic stag
then just use piercing.
small timber
because piecing is just better than almost every single way to explosion
especially infinite piercing
exotic stag
^
basically gavin your saying something along the lines of "i want this because i want it over something else"
you have the option to use infinite piercing. just use infinite piercing
small timber
the only real downside is piercing dropoff/resistance after piercing through multiple enemies, which do not affect normal mobs battle whatsoever and explosion tend to be resisted by bosses anyway
snow bobcat
I want there to be OPTIONS, and I'd like one of those options to be 'a ranged weapon that glows when firing, glows when travelling, explodes on impact to handle mobs, and can set a group of them on fire or frostburn or ichor or whatever' it doesn't have to deal 'Explosion' type DAMAGE, it just has to go pop in an AOE.
exotic stag
then thats an sis