suggestions-discussion

[tardy smelt]

PBG

[heavy urchin]

and it was STILL too small

[hollow oriole]

Every boss is fun except

[tardy smelt]

you could maybe, maybe, reformat the suggestion into reworking plantera to work in close spaces

[tardy smelt]

what about SW

[heavy urchin]

what would that look like

[hollow oriole]

Who is Sw Again?

Memory’s clogged

[grim tusk]

Artemis and Apollo*

[cobalt pewter]

Haven't killed PBG but I did a couple attempts, it feels slightly better now

[hollow oriole]

Ah

[grim tusk]

ye PBG is much better

just equip honey dew

[tardy smelt]

Storm said planty requires a huge arena

but you said she'd often end up enraging in one

and that they're otherwise a pain to make at that progression tier

[cobalt pewter]

Galaxy brain strat: nohit the boss

[tardy smelt]

just don't get hit

[cobalt pewter]

Aside from the plague barrel things, she seems pretty bearable

[heavy urchin]

enraging also makes he speed

[deft yew]

Barrels?

The mines or

[cobalt pewter]

Better yet, be stupid like me and do jungle bosses on Temple

Like I'm doing PBG on temple rn

[tardy smelt]

solution: make her work with the crowded, tightly packed space that the jungle usually tends to be

instead of fighting her arenaless/in a small space being practically suicide

(also, ^?)

[cobalt pewter]

Try fighting Plantera is Lihzahrd Temple, it should give you an idea of how Plantera works at smaller arena

(spoiler: the spores are mildly effective at times and the spike balls are an actual threat. Perhaps go for super deep arena for plant instead of wide)

[deft yew]

Does malice day Provi even have the night drops?

[cobalt pewter]

Pretty sure

At least the

Flamethrower is

Since it's a Legendary

[heavy urchin]

what do you think now

[tardy smelt]

gonna read rq

[heavy urchin]

spike balls are completely nullified by honey/water

[cobalt pewter]

Not sure if the "drop both Elysian Wings and Aegis" applies to Malice Provi

[tardy smelt]

tbf add those into the sugg too

they're painful without a large arena

or if you don't know about the honey thing

[heavy urchin]

what, remove them?

[tardy smelt]

its more like that uhm

they're part of what makes plantera such a pain in tight spaces and small arenas

[heavy urchin]

i mean i basically pretended the balls didn't exist due to me having a thick water layer

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[heavy urchin]

even though i had a small arena

[tardy smelt]

but they do

[tardy smelt]

.

[heavy urchin]

so remove them right

[tardy smelt]

or well

that's included in "reworking"

because you're overhauling how a fight works on a gameplay basis

and also insert that making large arena's at this tier in the jungle is very difficult due to the unavailability of lihzard temple blocks to actuate

[heavy urchin]

ok added it

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[heavy urchin]

literally said that

hows the suggestion now

[torn crown]

Plantera already has tile enrage that kinda works like that, as said

[tardy smelt]

huh didn't know

wait

lemme verify that

[torn crown]

Maybe you can sugg on improving on it by also taking small arenas into account?

[tardy smelt]

or well

maybe you could add a conclusion like: "due to all the factors above the fight forces you to work with larger arena's which can be very tedious to make at this tier due to circumstances, and as such reworking the fight to work better with smaller arena's might make it somewhat less tedious to tackle"

just an example

[fossil finch]

its funny because you get reaver utility just after it

[heavy urchin]

mind if i copy paste that

[heavy urchin]

whats that

[tardy smelt]

nope.

[tardy smelt]

wats dat I never used reaver gear lmao

[heavy urchin]

how do i get my suggestion to voting now

or do i still need more changes

[tardy smelt]

it'll get posted automatically

it should be good doe

posting this one too btw

[half sage]

yea suggestions get automatically shifted to voting eventually, they stay in posting for a bit so mods can put ❗ on suggestions that break rules to block them from getting into voting

[tardy smelt]

ye

[fossil finch]

Reaver armor rework moment

[gray nebula]

making a biome more memorable thanks to one herb

[heavy urchin]

is reaver gear even good

[heavy urchin]

one step at a time

[gray nebula]

thats for babies

big sweeping changes all at once gang

[fossil finch]

Reaver armor rework is in fact good

[half sage]

I expect a full astral UG rework on my desk by tomorrow morning

[fossil finch]

Utility reaver more like the armor you will always be using™️

[heavy urchin]

is it good?

im pre golem and stil using daedalus armor

[grim tusk]

Reaver rework be like:
Out of your friends which are you:
Truck freak (builder helm)
Crazy ass (tank)
[removed]
The figher (speed)

[fossil finch]

I mean utility reaver is the only utility armor in the game so yeah its not like it has competition
It's utility, not an actual armor to combat with

[grim tusk]

very

[grim tusk]

sad astral and miner noises

[fossil finch]

Also like, you should be using anything but daedalous at that point

Astral is fake

[heavy urchin]

is it better than the rogue armor thats made out of sun fragments?

[fossil finch]

Only utility is porion

[tardy smelt]

that herb must be the chaddest herb in the history of herbology

[grim tusk]

if spam rogue maybe, on stealth no lmao

[heavy urchin]

what should i even be using then

[tardy smelt]

[fossil finch]

Umbraphile

Or any other dedicated armor

[half sage]

I thought the removed reaver helms weren't turned into vanity

[tardy smelt]

skill issue sugg moment

[gray nebula]

well yeah so jus dont suggeest stuff !! :;exclamation

[tardy smelt]

also how did I not know reaver got reworked

[frozen hornet]

Simply didn't read every changelog

[tardy smelt]

[grim tusk]

All class: Reaver
Melee: anything from previous tier or reaver lol
Ranger: Shroomite
Mage: any Spectre or, Brimflame
Summoner: Fathom swarmer, Tiki, Spooky
Rogue: Umbraphile

[tardy smelt]

I am now an uncultured normie

[heavy urchin]

thats what im getting rn

one thing: rogue spam is better than stealth vs plantera

[half sage]

average daedalus fan vs average brimflame enjoyer

[grim tusk]

oh yea m bad

[grim tusk]

stealth at mech tier is stupidly op

[half sage]

tho I like spectre better because the spectre mask projectiles activate my monkey brain neurons

[deft yew]

gacruxian mollusk probably

oh wait no

how insane is skyfin?

[frozen hornet]

Worse than 1.4 but probably still decent

[grim tusk]

and for post-Plant frost crunch, terra disk, fantasy talismans and duststorm are the good ones but mech tier shit is mostly better

[tardy smelt]

tell that to the 20+ people currently in #suggestions-posting

[grim tusk]

nerfed, but we got a replacement in Cobalt kunai

[tardy smelt]

Icebreaker is still funny

even if its hard to use

[heavy urchin]

how

[heavy urchin]

i have terradisc duststorm and dust in a bottle

stealth with those don't loook that good

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512925739486674954/911864753771675728/vlc-record-2021-11-21-00h24m14s-2021-11-21_00-22-48.mp4-.mp4 thats a lot of damage, most mech tier stuff gets at least 4k on Aureus while post-Plant the only that reaches that is duststorm (also thats Post-ML Aureus)

[deft yew]

bro malice aureus is...

[grim tusk]

i pretty much stress tested post-Plant/Cal stuff vs Aureus and the few mech tier weapons I used were better

[grim tusk]

if you get it under 40% you die :)

[heavy urchin]

which are what

frequency manipulator seems really meh to me

[grim tusk]

Burning Strife, Freq. Manipulator, Blazing star, Kelvin

[deft yew]

blazing star

scooza me i thought that thing was useless

[grim tusk]

with stealth it goes from shit to god

[deft yew]

dang ok

[heavy urchin]

i have the last 3

whats buring strife

[deft yew]

drops from g'noblin summoner

[heavy urchin]

ah

the spike ball

are those seriously better than terradisc

freq manip only deals like 130 damage

snail speed

[grim tusk]

on spam (also multi hitting)

on stealth its disgusting

specially vs the chonkers that post-Plant has

[heavy urchin]

so spam bad?

[grim tusk]

its also stealth melee weapon

and yes spam bad now

[fossil finch]

Have you tried: hitting things with the chainsaw itself

That's kinda the point

[exotic ibex]

um yes

[fossil finch]

Zenith thing deals less damage and the chainsaw much more

[exotic ibex]

well
we are not speaking about the zenith

[heavy urchin]

wait what

[exotic ibex]

endgame vanilla and endgame calamity are different

[fossil finch]

Also you'll need to provide actual killtimes for your sugg to get anywhere, just saying something is bad and to buff it isn't very convincing

[heavy urchin]

you're supposed to actually use that?

[fossil finch]

I know but it literally works like zenith

[exotic ibex]

kinda like

but still it's not

[heavy urchin]

?

my suggestion?

the killtime is the same

the difficulty isn't

[fossil finch]

I'm talking to umbraphile as it's obvious

[heavy urchin]

ah ok

[exotic ibex]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/terraria_gamepedia/images/0/0f/Zenith_(demo).gif/revision/latest?cb=20200617200919

[frozen hornet]

mfw photon ripper does better than some of the other exo mech drops

[exotic ibex]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/calamitymod_gamepedia_en/images/b/bb/Photon_Ripper_(demo).gif/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/600?cb=20211117022927

uh

[tardy smelt]

(hey rover while you're here I did a mockup of the herb sugg )

[exotic ibex]

that sucks

[fossil finch]

Those aren't actual killtimes

They're just dummys

[frozen hornet]

Failure

[fossil finch]

(They suck at everything

[exotic ibex]

yep

killtimes of what then

[heavy urchin]

thoes gifs don't work

[frozen hornet]

Scal

[fossil finch]

Also that was done gearless so it's not like they'd count anyway

[hollow shell]

@exotic ibex If the only reason you think Photon Ripper isn't up to par is because of its damage
Why not just... buff its damage? Why does it need the sparks to be viable?

[frozen hornet]

The only other boss on that tier is scal

[exotic ibex]

you won't need to buff the stats

[hollow shell]

wdym "wont need"

[frozen hornet]

I don't see how the sparks would help tbh

[hollow shell]

Buffing the stats is way easier than giving it a new function

[fossil finch]

Terraria players properly learn how projectiles and iframes work part one

[exotic ibex]

I mean it will not be necessary

[hollow shell]

What

[frozen hornet]

Just buff damage instead of adding a wacky spark thing

Don't see why you want to make it more complicated than it needs to be

Also photon ripper probably does a ton with the chainsaw itself

[exotic ibex]

aight

can i just take the dps from super dummy?
i don't want to take scal with this thing

[fossil finch]

You can't

[heavy urchin]

isn't that another problem

the only thing ur gonna fight is scal

and it can't fight scal

[tardy smelt]

#suggestions-posting message
@hollow shell sorry for the ping but how's this

[fossil finch]

It can

[exotic ibex]

what should i take for comparison?

something from scal tier?

[frozen hornet]

It does pretty well for hearts

And scal herself less so but still pretty good

[exotic ibex]

murasama?

[frozen hornet]

murasama is meme

[heavy urchin]

yeah murasama

[frozen hornet]

Use another exo weapon

[exotic ibex]

aight

[heavy urchin]

why not

murasama is intended to be used against scal

[exotic ibex]

ugh

exo weapon is a combination

[frozen hornet]

There's spine of thanatos

[exotic ibex]

of scal and draedon

[frozen hornet]

No what

[exotic ibex]

that's the next tier

[heavy urchin]

ark of cosmos?

[exotic ibex]

ah

spine of thanatos

ok

[exotic ibex]

also good

[frozen hornet]

exo weapons are post-draedon not shadowspec tier

[exotic ibex]

you have to make miracle matter

[frozen hornet]

And since you're trying to compare a post-draedon weapon why don't you use actual post-draedon weapons

[exotic ibex]

if you're speaking about these weapons

[exotic ibex]

still fair

[heavy urchin]

is murasama good?

[frozen hornet]

Miracle matter doesn't need scal bru

[fossil finch]

Murasama is still hilarious yes

[frozen hornet]

Anyways when I said exo weapons I meant the ones exo mechs drop

[fossil finch]

Scal can still take like

[exotic ibex]

i suck at crafting recipes

[frozen hornet]

surge driver, photon ripper and the like

[exotic ibex]

im sorry

[fossil finch]

A minute with murasama

[exotic ibex]

wait for a while

[frozen hornet]

Spine of thanatos and photon ripper are the two melee exo mech drops

[exotic ibex]

can i make it in a god mode?

[heavy urchin]

but isn't murasama

pre scal?

[frozen hornet]

Sure why not

[exotic ibex]

ok

[frozen hornet]

Probably move around a bit tho

[heavy urchin]

and its what true melee users use?

[fossil finch]

Yes it is

[heavy urchin]

so compare it with murasama

[frozen hornet]

Peoole use it because it's funny

[heavy urchin]

a weapon thats actually used against scal

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's fine, as long as you're not doing stuff that impossible for an average player

basically, move around a bit

[frozen hornet]

Not everything has to he compared to that one sword

[heavy urchin]

if its worse

[fossil finch]

You can't really compare it with murasama because it's kinda broken

[heavy urchin]

then whats the point

murasama is stupid easy to obtain

[fossil finch]

You risk a lot using murasama

Lol!

[heavy urchin]

how

[frozen hornet]

It's a true melee weapon it can do more damage because it's riskier to use

[fossil finch]

Have you actually tried using it at scal

[heavy urchin]

ive never even fought scal before

[frozen hornet]

Neither spine nor ripper is true melee

[frozen hornet]

Breuh

[tardy smelt]

^

as someone who has come very close to beating defiled true melee scal, this

[hollow shell]

That sugg looks good 👍

[tardy smelt]

[hollow shell]

also

[tardy smelt]

hm?

[hollow shell]

(about a different sugg)

@hollow oriole wdym Calamity takes inspiration from "RPS"?
Only RPS that comes to mind is Rock Paper Scissors

[tardy smelt]

(oh)

Role Playing Shooter?

[sleek turret]

Role Playing System?

[hollow shell]

Possible. I think "Looter Shooter" is the more popular term tho

[tardy smelt]

idk I just consider terraria a sandbox

tho calamity leans very heavily into combat

almost all of the content it adds is weapons and bosses...

and difficulty modes which focus on making said bosses tougher and overall adding more weapons

[hollow shell]

We don't have any elemental interactions in the mod, really
"Fire Weapons" don't deal more damage to ice enemies

[heavy urchin]

what even are elemental weapons

[gray nebula]

some weapons

they have tags about it but the system is litterally only used for one specific alcohol sold by the drunk princess

[hollow shell]

Like, the Galactica Singularity crafts?
Or the ones with tags like Iban said?

[tardy smelt]

amaz

[heavy urchin]

with the tags

like nature

fire

ice

[hollow shell]

yeah it's literally just for Drunk Princess alcohols

[heavy urchin]

doesn't nature deal more damage with dryads blessing

i remember having that

or was that just a banner thing

[hollow shell]

Someone make a suggestion to only have those tags appear while the respective alcohol is in your inventory or you have its buff

(I've never heard that so probably just hearsay or a misinterpretation)

(I could be wrong tho)

[hardy dock]

Doesn’t the photon ripper already do like 10k damage

I feel like the teeth just need to do a higher percentage of that rather than a flat base damage buff

[tardy smelt]

kind of funny how that's the second idea of yours that someone else converted into a sugg today

[gray nebula]

so true oomfie (about sugg posting

[frozen hornet]

It's base damage is like 3300 smth

more than mura

[hollow shell]

You should probably use a different term than "Elemental tags", Straw

At the moment I think the only tags are Fire and Nature

so you could just say them by name

[hollow idol]

(ice too)

[hardy dock]

Omg Elemental damage tag (stolen) (cancel Calamity)

[hollow shell]

(is there ice?)

[hollow idol]

ye, boosted by eskimo set and i think one of the drinks

[hollow shell]

Wow you right

Eskimo at least

Doesn't seem like there's a drink for it

hm

[exotic ibex]

how do I get the timer work

[hollow shell]

You can just like use your phone stopwatch if need be

(assuming you have Frame Skip On so you aren't playing the game in slow-mo)

[exotic ibex]

my computer is fine

I just have seen some people on youtube somehow used the timer

not the speedrun one

[sleek turret]

what kind of timer

[weary light]

Suggestion for server: make a separate area to submit bug reports so they don’t get buried in the one where people talk about bugs. They get buried so easily so a lot of them are unseen

[sleek turret]

lets move to #general-talk

[exotic ibex]

i need it for sugg

so no offtopic

[hollow shell]

I've seen that too, it starts up when a boss is spawned.
Unfortunately I do not know what that timer is

[hollow shell]

Not a bad idea.

[exotic ibex]

uh, bad
okay
I will use my stopwatch

[grim tusk]

Terry's boss timer?
Nycro's boss timer?
CalTesters?

pink after boss dies is Terry's

Red after boss dies + dps stats is CalTesters

Nycro's displays during fight

[steel minnow]

Hey guys, does anyone already know what the icons of the Cal biomes will be for the Bestiary in 1.4? xD

[exotic ibex]

Spine of Thanatos + Ark of the Cosmos - 4:00 minutes
Murasama + Violence - 4:10 minutes
Dragon's Rage - 3:10 minutes
Exo Gladius, Photon Ripper - 3:40 minutes
Exo Blade - 3:30 minutes

well
it's not that bad

accessories on violent

[fossil finch]

Then it doesn't need a buff

[exotic ibex]

yep

[hollow shell]

Glad that's sorted.

[heavy urchin]

whens my plantera thing gonna get on voting

[safe oasis]

24 hours after posting

[hollow shell]

yeah

[hollow shell]

@green spindle I believe that's to encourage you to equip individual wings (cuz there are a few in PostML), thereby using up 2 acc slots if you have the boot too
The cost of only using 1 slot for wingboots is having overall less effective wings

[green spindle]

I see that, however, there are no ML pair of boots. Seraph tracers are the only way you can run faster than angel treads (which you want to be doing)

I'd be fine if there was post ML boots though

[hollow shell]

This is true, there are no postML boots, when maybe there should be

If you craft Seraph but decide after that you want to do wings and boots in separate slots
Your only choice is to do the entire Angel Treads crafting line again

[green spindle]

yes, I would be fine if there were postml boots, because that encourages more build choice which is also good

But until then, I am very against this change

[hollow shell]

You could change your suggestion to be to add postML boots instead

or make a new sugg, though that could be conflicting

[green spindle]

I can't ask to add items, no?

[exotic stag]

only if its specific. pretty sure

[hollow shell]

You can ask for items, as long as you don't give em a name or exact stats and stuff

[green spindle]

I see

I would suggest doing the first one now, because nerfing tracers for an item that at least I don't know when its coming out, isn't very good

[sleek wadi]

If you are going for a post-ML boot sugg, I'd suggest to have it not use angel treads

If I decide I really need that extra accessory slot I'd rather not build Angel Treads again so keeping treads to just tracers, or perhaps just making tracers separate entirely, would probably be the best way to go about it

[hollow shell]

@vagrant edge Not the same suggestion but similar:

[vagrant edge]

yeah pretty much the same thing

i'll remove mine

that would fix all my issues with it

[hollow shell]

aighty

[fair ledge]

Having a ticket system would be cool but there would be far too many tickets being made for Devs to keep up with

Not to mention people making tickets for no reason

[grim tusk]

Or making tickets from bugs from other mods

Or commoners not being able to help

(Specially Mayossinator who manages bugs doc)

[fair ledge]

Think of the amount of tickets that would be made because of people putting modded weapons in item frames

[grim tusk]

[weary light]

what about a requirement for people to ask about whether or not their bug should be ticket worthy. or maybe multiple ticket areas (one for minor bugs and one for major) where any person with access (like commoners) can see and respond to them,

also maybe a list of bugs that can't be reported

[grim tusk]

Which fucking exists already

But people are too oblivious to

[weary light]

give warnings and eventually ban them from making tickets (temporarily) if they're ignoring the rules

[grim tusk]

That could also result in unfair punishments

[weary light]

as in the punishment being unfair or the reason being unfair?

[hollow shell]

Is there a difference

[weary light]

but I mean it would be their fault. they're rules for a reason

[weary light]

depends on how you look at it

[grim tusk]

If they make too many tickets but they are the same bug that would enter on spam rule so no issue there, but something like just banning em cuz too many tickets is

First its warn, then mute, then ban

[hollow shell]

Good idea time:
bugs-discussion
bugs-posting
bugs-voting

(except not voting)

[weary light]

bug review?

[hollow shell]

Have a middle-man channel just like suggs to filter out the bad bug reports

[grim tusk]

Good idea

[hollow shell]

I don't know if it'd be the best in practice

I can say that in execution it'd probably be a lot more quick than the sugg posting channel

Manual instant approvals as long as the bug isn't already reported or caused by something else

[weary light]

ok i changed it. that good or do you have more suggestions to make it better?

[hollow shell]

You could probably put more emphasis on the fact that bug reports should be separate from bug discussion, to prevent drowning
as that's the most important part of this

"Since there's only one bug chat it gets filled up really quickly and a lot of bugs go unread. Adding more chats for bugs would help filter the content and make it easier to find bugs."
sounds more like you're asking for bugs-read-pins-2 or just more similar channels for certain bug types

and " Then it would go to the review where people could go to see how it can be resolved if they have the same issue, or to see if it will get fixed in a new update "
sounds like it is implying that the review channel would have discussion in it too

At least in the system I had in mind it would be less of a review channel and more just a
channel for displaying all the currently active bugs
#current-bugs
And would get marked as resolved (or perhaps deleted?) when fixed

Not to say my idea is the best one
I came up with it 10 minutes ago

[minor ore]

I feel like even if there was a channel like that, or some channel for like the extremely common bugs people would ignore it and post a bug that someone else posted 5 messages above them anyway, it’s just always gonna be bad when there’s an update.

[hollow shell]

yeah, hence the existence of the middle-man channel analogous to #suggestions-posting

the theoretical final destination of bug reports would be analogous to #suggestions-voting , i.e. filtered.
and it would have more of a utility purpose for the devs

[minor ore]

In a perfect world everyone would search the channel for an issue similar to theirs and check the bugs document but oh well, having a middle man channel does sound like a decent idea, even if the original bugs channel continues to be flooded by the same 4 things and then some other bugs get drowned out by it. Also the problem of like half the bug reports being mod conflicts probably not on calamity’s end.

[weary light]

better than mine

[hollow shell]

@hearty yew (Do you still manage everything bug-related here?)
How do you feel about a bug reporting channel being created, separate from bug discussion?

[cobalt pewter]

For the Cosmolight sugg

Didn't they know that enabling the one config that makes NPC spawn at night affects Old Man too?

So the "wait time" is a bit exaggerated there

[ruby plover]

Yeah kinda don’t like suggestions that are backed up with a sarcastic exaggerated story

[heavy urchin]

the 3 step process feels uncessary

bugs normally appear rarely

[hearty yew]

If you're viciously deleting messages from the bug reports channel and/or only bug managers can post there and bugs will ONLY be posted there with logs and proof, yes.

Otherwise it is not a meaningful improvement over what we have now.

also yeah what straw chips said

normally

bugs are very rare

[cobalt pewter]

For the Sentinel weapon sugg, why not adjust their rates so that you're always 100% guaranteed to get at least one weapon? Seems pretty annoying that you have the possibility of getting approximately 0 weapons from Sentinel yea

[weary light]

i mean the big ones yeah but i've run into 4 in the past 2 days

[hollow shell]

Alright

Thanks for the input

[hearty yew]

the question is what you gain from a curated bugs channel

that you don't already have from fixes channel on dev server

[weary light]

fixes channel?

[exotic stag]

dev server thing

[weary light]

how many people are on it that arent devs?

[grim tusk]

only testers

[weary light]

how many peoples bug reports havent been seen though? so many get buried its almost useless to have a bugs channel

[grim tusk]

it gets seen eventually

be patient

[hearty yew]

No, it usually doesn't.

Because it's usually a duplicate or a mod conflict

[grim tusk]

true

[hearty yew]

We have a multi layered filtration system. 90%+ of bug reports are useless.

We only choose to investigate bugs that we are absolutely certain are calamity bugs.

I can tell you for sure that 1 person from nohit server has sent me just as many valid bug reports as the entirety of #bugs-read-pins since 1.5.0.001 released.

[weary light]

how can you be sure you aren't missing any bugs that are connected to the mod itself it most go unseen?

i get that most of them arent related to the mod

[hearty yew]

I'm not sure. What I'm sure of is that I'm wasting as little of my time as possible.

There are surely valid bug reports in #bugs-read-pins that I never see.

I never see them because that channel is a wasteland of garbage.

I used to manage that channel back in the day and I don't anymore because it drove me fucking crazy.

[weary light]

so adding a new bug report system wouldn't be useless. once people can confirm that it's most likely calamity mod bug they can officially report it so you don't have to waste your time looking through hundreds of bugs that arent related

[hearty yew]

The way that the devs and I choose to handle bugs and minor issues is we pluck the ones that we are sure are problems / have indisputable proof/evidence

And move that to dev server.

Then we handle those.

My counter argument is that the value of such a channel here is about equal to fixes channel on dev server.

I would be ok with it existing. I'm not going to tell people to not make it.

I however see it as being of little to no value unless we have a set of people who are dedicated to managing the flow of information from the general bug cesspool to that channel.

[weary light]

that what I put in the description. some sort of filtering thing so all of the repeats and stuff can be deleted

[hearty yew]

yeah I didn't read the suggestion at all because I only read #suggestions-voting

I have this channel muted and only type here to mention things about suggs in voting, or when someone pings me

[weary light]

ah i see

[hearty yew]

I don't see the manpower for bugs triage existing

[exotic stag]

also bit of explanation to why they move it there incase no one got it: Its to prevent the fact that clutter would y'know. draw away the bug so they move it to dev server so that it doesnt get drowned out

[grim tusk]

@stuck hawk invalid suggestion

also this is 100% a joke sugg, no one will believe that malice is easy

[stuck hawk]

?

[grim tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/711268703991365642/874812972059484241/image0.gif

[gusty geode]

Not trying to mini-mod or anything
But I thought the staff was trying to crack down on the "I was inconvenienced plz fix" ones that have "QoL" as their sole reason like that pre-HM Cosmolight one

[stuck hawk]

oh

well i think some things should be a little harder

[grim tusk]

what are you using mod that makes you too op?

[gusty geode]

I would try and be more specific on how to make it harder
Details are important

[hollow shell]

bait

[stuck hawk]

just using calamity, alchemist npc lite, luiafk.

[grim tusk]

ah yes the "QoL but it some aspects are just cheating" combo

#suggestions-voting message Ampoule was already nerfed by not having honey dew anymore

[stuck hawk]

just updated it

[hollow shell]

Ampoule sugg is describing its 1.5 stats it seems

[ruby plover]

Dude, coal, the bosses are faster. Most of them anyway

[gusty geode]

Genuinely curious about this btw
I'd called it out as a problem a few times before and it got added to the "don'ts" list

[stuck hawk]

the projectiles are

check the malice description

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message also this was fixed wasnt it?

[hollow shell]

Bosses are also faster, coal

[ruby plover]

Yeah… but you say “make bosses faster (not just projectiles)”

Both are booshted

[hollow shell]

Wait coal did you actually fight any of the bosses?

[stuck hawk]

interesting

[grim tusk]

malice exo mechs already hit disgustingly hard and Aureus 2 shots with contact

[hollow shell]

Or did you just read the desc?

[stuck hawk]

im halfway through a malice playthrough

[ruby plover]

Okay thank god

[stuck hawk]

i only think that pre hardmode should be harder

[hollow shell]

What difficulty?
as in Normal, Rev, etc

[grim tusk]

Coal is using the QoL but cheaty mods btw (Lui and Alch npc (either)) free so many buff slots, and many lui effects stack with cal potions such as lifeforce + cadence, or any potion that is an upgrade from another

[stuck hawk]

revengence, death, malice

[ruby plover]

Yeah… your definitely an outlier in seeing malice as easy. Just gonna say

[hollow shell]

🤔

This seems like bait

[stuck hawk]

kinda

[hollow shell]

or your game bugged

[stuck hawk]

malice pre hardmode is just easy

[hollow shell]

Cuz several of your proposed changes are done by Malice already

[ruby plover]

You can’t say something like malice is “just” easy. Experiences are subjective

[stuck hawk]

wym by bait?

[grim tusk]

trolling

[hollow shell]

i.e. you're lying as a joke

[stuck hawk]

well i really dont think that malice is easy

i just think pre hardmode is too easy cuz i breezed through it

[ruby plover]

It might just be that your good at the bosses/your QoL mods helped a lot

[stuck hawk]

The only use the mods provide me are the unlimited potions/arena builder

[spark pulsar]

If you want it to be harder you can turn on defiled and Armageddon too

[stuck hawk]

those are kinda just bothersome

not being able to fly

and getting one shot by all bosses

[sleek turret]

I disagree with the idea of making recipes harder.

[ruby plover]

Yeah that’s the type of thing that doesn’t make things hard, it makes thing more bothersome and time consuming

[stuck hawk]

thats true

[spark pulsar]

For reforges and potions you could just not use them

[ruby plover]

Which I think calamity tries to… not make happen

[sleek turret]

Its just makes stuff be more grindy than it is currently even though it got cut down by a lot in this update

[stuck hawk]

thats true

ill remove that

[hollow shell]

Just saying that something is QoL is insubstantial and will get exclam'd
The Cosmolight sugg is riding the line but I figured it could go through cuz he said why it's QoL

even if not very extensively

[stuck hawk]

i dont think there should be a prehardmode cosmolight

[hollow shell]

Neither do I

[stuck hawk]

its one of those items that you shouldnt be able to get right away

like wings

[ruby plover]

But it’s not really… like wings. I get your point tho dw

[stuck hawk]

its like how you cant really get good movement

its one of those things where you shouldnt be able to have till later

[simple quarry]

I completely agree with the skeleton point, considering me and my friends wasted several hours waiting for night time to fight him on our malice playthrough

[hollow shell]

But uh yeah Coal you don't actually provide any reasoning in your suggestion about why your changes should be done

[stuck hawk]

idk man

[hollow shell]

You gotta back up your ideas

[stuck hawk]

i had to do the same

we kept dying and couldnt spawn him till later

it took a few hours but if your playing malice mode you should expect it to be like that

[spark pulsar]

So you say we, that would explain why you think malice is easy

[simple quarry]

I should expect to have to try bosses over and over

I dont want to wait 24 minutes between each atempt

[stuck hawk]

i dont think its easy

i never said it was

i said it needs to be harder

[grim tusk]

with no reasoning whatsoever

[simple quarry]

Perhaps if you didnt have unlimited potions you wouldnt think that

[spark pulsar]

If I really need to be that specific then “you say we, that would explain why you think malice isn’t hard enough”

[stuck hawk]

potions dont really help even

[simple quarry]

They absolutely do

[ruby plover]

They… don’t?

Wrong

[stuck hawk]

pre hardmode you cant even get many potions

[simple quarry]

And if they dont then stop using unlimited potions

[spark pulsar]

Why are you saying to nerf potions then??

[stuck hawk]

some potions

like candace

and lifeforce

[ruby plover]

You can get most of good potions pre hm tho…

[sleek turret]

Well yeah, clearly a 10% DR increase in my character doesn't affect in nothing a 300 damage hit

[stuck hawk]

not without grinding

[simple quarry]

Exactly and your getting them unlimited

[ruby plover]

Okay but for you you just buy them so

[simple quarry]

And complaining its too easy

[stuck hawk]

if you played malice you would know that potions make a small dent in the 100 damage that every attack does

[hollow shell]

Again, you need to explain in your suggestion why you think it needs to be harder. Don't just say ways that you think the difficulty could be increased

[ruby plover]

Bold to assume we haven’t played malice lol

[simple quarry]

Defense is not the same as damage reduction

[stuck hawk]

have you?

[ruby plover]

A lil bit

Potions good

[simple quarry]

Literally playing a malice only run right now

Potions are very good

[stuck hawk]

with death?

[simple quarry]

No

[stuck hawk]

exactly

[simple quarry]

We are talking about malice

Not death

[hollow shell]

(they stack)

[stuck hawk]

im doing malice and death

[ruby plover]

(Kinda counting on the fact that people discussing this sugg have played malice)

[stuck hawk]

potions may help in malice only

[ruby plover]

Potions help always

[stuck hawk]

what potions are you referring to?

[simple quarry]

If they dont help then dont hse them

Wrath life force endurance iron skin swiftness

[sleek turret]

Potions help on any situation or specific situations/activities in the game.

[simple quarry]

There is plenty

[stuck hawk]

endurance got nerfed and barely does anything

swiftness too

life force is hardmode

[simple quarry]

You can get them pre hardmode

[stuck hawk]

?

[ruby plover]

Shadow chests

[stuck hawk]

you need a fish from hallowed

wait nvm

[sleek turret]

Blood Orbs exist, and also in certain chests you can find them

[stuck hawk]

blood orb potions are post skeletron

same with lifeforce

[sleek turret]

You can find Cadance potions on Planetoids

[spark pulsar]

Post skeletron is pre hardmode

[stuck hawk]

not true at all

[ruby plover]

…dude we ain’t lyin

[stuck hawk]

lifeforce are found in planetoids

[hollow shell]

You actually can find Cadance in planetoids

[stuck hawk]

what?

[hollow shell]

Jungle planetoids

[sleek turret]

Yeah, those.

[hollow shell]

Lifeforce is there too

[ruby plover]

Check before calling us liars lol

[stuck hawk]

wow...

[hollow shell]

tbf

I didn't know that until I checked the source just now

[stuck hawk]

out of my 9 playthroughs never found a single one pre hardmode

thought i knew

[ruby plover]

Unlucky

[hollow shell]

I don't think I ever opened a jungle planetoid chest

[stuck hawk]

same honestly

[spark pulsar]

You should always check the wiki before saying something you don’t know

[ruby plover]

I open all chests. No loot escapes my collectors grasp

[stuck hawk]

well i also always play on death

so i cant go to sky islands till later

[minor ore]

I’ve seen the planetoids wiki page and never seen anything about life force or cadence potions on it to be fair

[ruby plover]

Oh did you delete your sugg coal?

[minor ore]

maybe I just missed it.

[stuck hawk]

yeah

[ruby plover]

Okae

[stuck hawk]

also whats wrong with QoL mods?

[minor ore]

Difficulty can be subjective anyway especially with people using different mods and all people probably say it’s easy when they’ve got broken alch NPC pots, id say part of the difficulty of terraria is collecting these potions most players wouldn’t go out of there way to get cadence potions or they’d get lucky in a shadow chest, and building arenas manually, placing buffs, also part of the difficulty/learning the game, so using something that lets you have infinite potions and do everything easily can also be considered cheat like

[ruby plover]

Nothing wrong with QoL, just it’s good to be aware that it almost always makes the game easier to a degree

[hollow shell]

Infinite potions is kinda cheaty especially if they do not count towards your buff slots or you have unlimited buff slots
Or if said potions are hard to replenish

But

[stuck hawk]

they do for me?

[hollow shell]

I don't think it's that cheaty to generate arenas before a fight

[minor ore]

I don’t see most people getting a decent quantity of cadence potions pre hard mode unless a prehardmode NPC sells them now that I’m unaware of

[stuck hawk]

i still have to clear out the areas it just gets rid of a lot of platform building

[hollow shell]

That's good. I believe it is LuiAFK in which you can craft an infinite potion that doesn't count towards buff slots and just passively boosts your stats while in the inventory

[minor ore]

Arena is significantly less cheating than the potions probably, but I still think it’s part of vanilla and calamity, if you don’t include QoL mods neither really give you easier options to make arenas. Not denying instabridge platform mods are very nice to have.

[stuck hawk]

YOU CAN???

[hollow shell]

If you are just doing 30 potions and still getting the buff slot that's good

[stuck hawk]

never realized that

also why are blood worms able to spawn at any point?

[fossil finch]

Bugged i believe

Anyways uh this sugg isn't extremely helpful

Astral not spawning because of a skybridge is technically a bug

It's not something they want to happen

[grim tusk]

"Please fix this"

[stuck hawk]

yeah and?

[grim tusk]

thats a bug

which is on the pinned doc on #bugs-read-pins

[spark pulsar]

Bugs shouldn’t be posted as suggestions

[grim tusk]

not intentional and unfixable

[frozen hornet]

Just don't make skybridges smh

[hollow shell]

A bug?

Oh

[grim tusk]

break your skybridge if you want meteor

[fossil finch]

Your sugg won't automatically make devs fix a problem that's been around for ages

And that they don't want to exist

[stuck hawk]

well i mean its been here since astral meteor was created

they probably should have fixed it

[grim tusk]

but they cant

[frozen hornet]

If they can they would have

[spark pulsar]

“unfixable”

[hollow shell]

Where?

[grim tusk]

yea considering that bug is years old

[fossil finch]

Have you tried thinking two seconds and maybe going "maybe they have tried" though

[grim tusk]

Q: “The Astral Meteor/Astral Infection hasn’t spawned in my world, what do I do?”
A: Astral Meteors follow mostly the same rules as regular meteors: they can land in corruption chasms or the ocean, cannot go through sky bridges, and can’t land near chests or houses. However, they specifically try to avoid Floating Islands and Planetoids, and always spawn on the side of the world with the Dungeon. If you need an Astral biome, buy Astral Solution from the Steampunker. Alternatively, you can kill Astrum Aureus to spawn another meteor if there’s a valid area for a meteor to spawn.

[hollow shell]

God damn it

Blame Google Docs for not doing CTRL-F properly

[fossil finch]

Hilarious

[spark pulsar]

Also can’t you buy astral solution from steampunker and spread it that way then just fight aureus that way

[hollow shell]

" If you need an Astral biome, buy Astral Solution from the Steampunker. " This is the real solution

yeah

[stuck hawk]

what about deus?

[hollow shell]

You can craft Deus's beacon

[stuck hawk]

oh wait

you can?

[spark pulsar]

Yes

[stuck hawk]

interesting

[spark pulsar]

I accidentally made the altar the first time I tried to fight deus

[stuck hawk]

wait dont you have to defeat Astrum to get the astral solution?

[spark pulsar]

No

It should be sold by steampunker as soon as you get her

Let me check wiki

[hollow shell]

She just always sells it yeah

[spark pulsar]

Yep is sold at all times

[fossil finch]

Ever since r&d patches i have to yet see an astral without beacon myself
Every now and then there's the usual someone going "lol my beacon generated in the sky/dungeon" though
Same thing with sulph sea which dom probably fixed 897 times
Worldgen is wacky

[grim tusk]

just kill a nerfed mech and steampunk arrives

[stuck hawk]

also when i find a bug im not just going to check if its in the pins

ill probably ask first

[grim tusk]

you should

[fossil finch]

Alternatively the better option is to commit skybridge in hm like chads

[obsidian cove]

The channel literally has read pins in its name

[fossil finch]

You're literally told to by the name of the channel yea

[grim tusk]

also why tf do you need a skybridge in pre-hm anyways

[spark pulsar]

Why do people even need a sky bridge phm?

[fossil finch]

Utility usually

[frozen hornet]

clearly to fight skeletron

[fossil finch]

Clearly you need a world long skybridge

[frozen hornet]

I'm half joking but that's probably why

[stuck hawk]

getting around easily

also check how long that doc is

[hollow shell]

CTRL-F is your friend (as long as you use the one that's within Docs and not your browser's)

[spark pulsar]

Ctrl f should work, not sure why it didn’t work for rover tho

[hollow shell]

It's cuz Docs does dynamic loading and some text technically doesn't exist on the page

[fossil finch]

Why not buff them instead

[hollow shell]

Google knows its there but browser deson't

[fossil finch]

Also this is uh

The third sugg with this premise

[spark pulsar]

Yeah that make sense

[fossil finch]

Amazing

[sleek wadi]

Teardrop cleaver
Powerful and unique

[fossil finch]

Tbf crying

Also as i said

[stuck hawk]

teardrop isnt really unique

[fossil finch]

.

[stuck hawk]

its a sword that has an effect

[sleek wadi]

Which was my joke

Teardrop still bad

[ruby plover]

The Debuff is good for regular enemies I guess…

[hollow shell]

Teardrop was good back when its effect stacked infinitely and permanently so you could remove contact damage from enemies

[fossil finch]

I think the logical conclusion would be to buff so people actually use them rather than making them rare while still being just bad

[stuck hawk]

@steep crown malice mode weapons should stay there in my opinion

there is a reason those weapons are there

[sleek wadi]

In the case of scarf in particular, which is where I feel this might be coming from partially, that needs either serious buffs or to be expert

[hollow shell]

I thought people loved Scarf?

[fossil finch]

there isn't really they just wanted to destroy rare variants

[stuck hawk]

also why did they change evasion scarf recipe

[fossil finch]

Because they're biased rover

[stuck hawk]

its so bad now

[hollow shell]

There was a suggestion to move Counter Scarf back to Rev instead of Malice
Not because it wasn't strong enough
but because they felt like it was vital and shouldn't be locked behind Malice

[sleek wadi]

People do love scarf yes which is likely where a good amount of these malice to rev suggs are spawning from

[fossil finch]

Scarf isn't that good compared to shield
It's even underwhelming for a malice drop

[stuck hawk]

they can keep the shield

non malice players have the shield

[spark pulsar]

Hmm I wonder what those people would do in vanilla where there is no scarf

[steep crown]

For most of them yes, I agree, but as I said, some don't have the same impact

[stuck hawk]

what items are you reffering to

[frozen hornet]

Because they don't want evasion to be malice-exclusive

[sleek wadi]

I think scarf needs a buff if its going to stay malice myself as the bonk is a really strong thing to compete with and currently it just kinda doesn't

[fossil finch]

People just obsess over scarf because it was the goto as rev became the default calamity mode
But it's nowhere near vital, shield is usually much better, specially now that scarf dodge boost us gone

[stuck hawk]

thats an opinion

you can use either shield or scarf

only dodges for that point in the game

[fossil finch]

That doesn't make them completely equal though

[steep crown]

Crown Jewel, Clothiers wrath, Regenator, and Confrence call off the top of my head. But don't quote me on that

Its been a while since I actually did a full playthrough, so this is based off of messing around

[fossil finch]

Anyways the sugg is fine mainly because it's not "i NEED crown jewel to exist in rev even though i never used it before" for once
I'd still like for you to answer why not then just buff/rework them, though

[hollow shell]

If Regenator isn't fulfilling its purpose of being ridiculous trade-off, then it should become its intended ridiculous trade-off

It should be along the lines of Blood Pact in terms of influence, if not more

[sleek wadi]

Ah right Clothier's Wrath is from malice Skele ain't it? How are we intended to get skele malice drops when malice is a rematch mode

[cobalt pewter]

Malice items should be dumb strong

[fossil finch]

Damn
Clothiers voodoo doll is fucking crying

[sleek wadi]

Skeletron is probably the most out-of-the-way rematch currently

[fossil finch]

Tbh just up the drop rate for them

Calamity already lets you have npc respawn in 3 seconds

[cobalt pewter]

Just make Clothier Voodoo Doll a non-consumable summon and make it kill Clothier when used to spawn Skelly

Ba blam

[steep crown]

I don't want to suggest reworks because those would either be SIS or just "rework this because X" and Buffing them would be boring because those fundamentally aren't on the same level, and making them on the same level statwise would be missing the point

[sleek wadi]

Or give a crafted summon, no need to keep the current summoning method

[hollow shell]

Isn't it already...?

[sleek wadi]

For rematches at least

[cobalt pewter]

Right now you need to equip it and kill Clothier with the doll equipped to spawn Skelly iirc

Unless cal changed that

[hollow shell]

Yeah so it's not consumable

[cobalt pewter]

Oh true

[hollow shell]

You only need one for infinite rematches

[sleek wadi]

Not consumable but that summoning method is cheeks

[steep crown]

You'll just run out of Clothiers pretty quick

[cobalt pewter]

I meant something like basic summon items in terms of use

[lost agate]

Fuck it
Not consumable clothier

[lost agate]

Oh yeah, forgot about that config

[steep crown]

It was a joke mostly

[sleek wadi]

Gotta build a new house next to where you intend to refight, gotta wait on respawn even if it is super short, and gotta do the kill to quick unequip

[fossil finch]

Reworks don't fall on sis if not specified, i don't get what you mean by the second thing and have no clue what am i supposed to understand for your reasoning to not buff them, yea it's boring but the point would be buffing them to be better than most on tier options so they're at least worth coming a tier or two later for

[sleek wadi]

Compared to even the more inconvient summoning methods like anahita this is bruh

[steep crown]

I feel like just saying "Rework this" would be a lazy suggestion. Maybe its just me

[lost agate]

Nah, its just that kind of suggestion has always kinda been a thin line afaik

[hollow shell]

I wouldn't say it's lazy at all as long as you substantiate its reasoning well enough

[steep crown]

And about that second part, the point of the suggestion was that those items don't really fit in. Crown Jewel is just defense and Regeneration, Clothiers wrath is a pretty standard magic weapon, Carnage is a basic sword with an effect on enemy kill. Compare that to stuning enemies with the Teardrop cleaver, the Evil smasher's stacking effect, Or smacking enemies with the Hellborn

[stuck hawk]

nope

[spark pulsar]

It is

You equip it and kill clothier

It doesn’t remove it from your inventory

[hollow shell]

The more cool unique shit in the mod, the better
I would rather that stuff get reworked or buffed to be come cool rather than accept their drabness and take them out of Malice

But that is me.

[fossil finch]

That's why i said rework or buff

[stuck hawk]

honestly just add a craftable summon

cause having to kill the clothier + having to get it

is very annoying

[steep crown]

But buffing it doesn't make it less drab. It just makes it a stat stick

[sleek wadi]

Yeah I'm writing up a suggestion about Skeletron's refight method now

[stuck hawk]

wait a second

you cant even get the clothier doll till post skeltron

[spark pulsar]

Yes

[stuck hawk]

thats stupid

[spark pulsar]

How so?

[stuck hawk]

we need a skeletron summon like how we can summon every other boss

[steep crown]

Wha? You free the old man, and he moves into your town as the clothier

Would you rather he be in two places at once?

[stuck hawk]

?

[spark pulsar]

Pre skeletron is the old man, post is voodoo doll

[sleek wadi]

I'm not concerned about the initial summon of skeletron myself, the current method works fine enough although the old man respawning during night time should just be default and not have to be enabled by config

[stuck hawk]

we need a rematch method

[stuck hawk]

exactly

[hollow shell]

??? That's the doll

[stuck hawk]

pre skeletron method

[stuck hawk]

the doll is also extremely hard to get

[sleek wadi]

We do have a rematch method, its just terrible compared to every single other summon in the game

[stuck hawk]

yeah

[hollow shell]

(why do you need a Skeletron rematch item before you fight Skeletron)

But yeah saying the doll is clunky is fair

[stuck hawk]

because only being able to fight it every 24 minutes is very time consuming

every single other boss has a spawn item

[hollow shell]

except Anahita

[stuck hawk]

anahita can be fought at any time

[hollow shell]

and Perfs/Hive Mind (before fighting them)

[stuck hawk]

those are easily accesible

[hollow shell]

You can whack up the spawn rate of the Old Man in the config

[stuck hawk]

yeah but thats kinda cheating

[hollow shell]

It isn't

[stuck hawk]

going in the config to change rates

[hollow shell]

But I can understand why it feels like that

because it feels technical

[sleek wadi]

I think the old man spawnrate should be jacked up to insane levels by default myself

[hollow shell]

rather than being tied to an in-game item

[spark pulsar]

If it’s in the configs it isn’t cheating

[hollow shell]

"Very Nice Smelling Freshly Baked Apple Pie"

• Favorite in your inventory to boost NPC move-in rates by 10x

[sleek wadi]

Cultist spawns are already jacked up by default too so it wouldn't be unprecedented

[hollow shell]

Looks good, Feed

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

Though I am concerned by the fact that there are now 18 suggestions in posting

(1 exclam'd)

[cobalt pewter]

Just the state of 1.5 Draedon update iirc

[hollow shell]

It really do be like this

Also @hollow oriole you never replied to my ping >:(
(clarifying what RPS stands for)

((in your suggestion))

[sleek wadi]

Ah right, shoulda saved this for until drowning was less of an issue

[hollow shell]

Posting suggestions now is basically guaranteeing that they'll die

.. unless I do something special

which I might

(that being a temporary retroactive lower star req)

[grim tusk]

Just like ol’times

[grim tusk]

Lowering the star req to 250?

[hollow shell]

yes exactly

[grim tusk]

The point of diminishing returns on the bar graph seemed to be 240 and exponentially dropped significantly on 260

[hollow shell]

Wait were you not joking

[steep crown]

Uhh, well that's odd. I clicked edit, my computer froze, and now my suggestion is gone

Is it still visible for everyone else

[grim tusk]

Nope

[sleek wadi]

Yeah its gone

[steep crown]

Well shit

[grim tusk]

It has happened to me before, it feels bad

[steep crown]

Should I repost, or wait until there isn't a flood

[sleek wadi]

Wait till there isn't a flood

[grim tusk]

Repost

[hollow shell]

Move some items from Malice mode back to Revengence mode

While the idea of Malice mode (Fight heavily buffed bosses in exchange for cool loot) is sound, I feel that moving almost all the Revengence drops to Malice mode was going too far. The mode certainly fit for items like Yharim's Crystal, Teardrop Cleaver, and other unique and powerful items. It doesn't fit so well for Items like the Crown Jewel, Clothiers wrath, and other items that aren't as flashy. These items mostly owe their strength to abnormally high stats, rather than powerful abilities. These items fit much better in their old space as rare drops (Albeit with lesser stats, and possibly slightly higher drop rates), rather than as rewards for extra-hard bosses

It counted as a deletion, got it from logs

[steep crown]

Thanks

[sleek wadi]

Unless Rover decides to push the emergency button they apparently have it'll probably drown

[hollow shell]

The emergency button is "Hello. The star requirement has been temporarily lowered to [arbitrary value], and it will remain at this value until [arbitrary condition]. Suggestions posted after the 270 star raise but before this announcement will be subject to this new temporary requirement."

Don't know if/when I will do that

[sleek wadi]

Have any suggs got in that weren't just immediately shortcutted by a dev yet?

After the update dropped I mean

[hollow shell]

No suggestions have reached the 270 requirement yet, no.

A few hit 200 though

We underestimated the effect that drowning would have on the star counts, when we raised.

[steep crown]

More people = more suggestions after all

[hollow oriole]

Oh sorry, didn’t notice it. I when I brought up the stuff I mostly thought about the “elemental” stuff that was added to weapons

Like the fire, nature, ect

In hindsight it probably wasn’t a solid suggestion

[hollow shell]

The elemental stuff has no effect on enemy damage

[hollow oriole]

Wait rlly?

[hollow shell]

It's just to indicate that it gets buffed by certain equipment and potions

[hollow oriole]

Ah

Neat

[hollow shell]

Do you want to edit your suggestion or..?

[sleek wadi]

I'd be down to see it implemented myself. Not only is it kinda funny, but stupid strats like that having good reward for finding them is something Calamity is okay with

[heavy urchin]

i agree about moving some malice drops to rev

LIKE WHY TF IS DUNE HOPPER MALICE

[sleek wadi]

Although cryogen melting in hell would be more, intentionally designed than other effective stupid strats

[hollow oriole]

Mhm

[heavy urchin]

dune hopper is so bad

[hollow shell]

I'm not sure I agree that Calamity would be okay with that
After all, Cal devs/testers vehemently balance against Luigi% and any kind of facetanking

[heavy urchin]

from an exceddingly hard malice moss

[heavy urchin]

whats luigi%

[sleek wadi]

I'm talking less facetanking and more thinks like Polterghast's donut arena

[hollow shell]

Luigi% is beating a boss without moving at all

[heavy urchin]

uh how

[hollow shell]

inspired by the YouTube series "Luigi wins at Mario Party by doing absolutely nothing"

[hollow oriole]

Basically vanilla planterra

[spark pulsar]

I think it would be cool if cryogen melted away and had a message in chat but you didn’t get any loot or anything. So kinda just like a small little Easter egg

[hollow shell]

Basically spec into ridiculous defense, DR, life regen, etc

[heavy urchin]

well crabbar did luigi% true melee scal

[hollow shell]

It's very difficult to perform now that we have Defense Damage and your survivability goes through the floor into tartarus if you ever take consecutive hits

[heavy urchin]

but now teleporters are disabled

[hollow shell]

That too

[heavy urchin]

WHY ARE TELEPORTERS DISABLED

LIKE WHY

[hollow oriole]

Cheese

[hollow shell]

To prevent cheese and cheap strats

(which is probably why Calamity won't implement something like an insta-kill condition for a boss)

[heavy urchin]

i tried teleporters to just tp back for plantera

i mean that wouldn

t be cheese

[hollow oriole]

@hollow shell I’ll probably just delete my suggestion, in hindsight it kinda makes sense why it wouldn’t be a thing so I’ll just remove it if that’s ok with u

[heavy urchin]

sadly doesn't work

[hollow shell]

alrighty

[sleek wadi]

Cryogen having his defense set to 0 in hell would be good middle ground

[hollow oriole]

Also, is there anywhere that explains what the different weapon types do?

Like what sets buff what weapon types

I assume the calam wiki

But is that it

[grim tusk]

General effects fire weapons burn, ice freeze
Also alcohol boosts

(Ice boosting drink when?)

[sleek wadi]

You still have to bring cryogen down to hell after all and deal with his enrage if you don't do a lot more preparation like having a snow arena in hell

[hollow shell]

I can just tell you
Eskimo Armor buffs ice weapons, "Cinnamon Roll" and "Fireball" alcohols buff fire weapons, and "Evergreen Gin" alcohol buffs nature weapons

[hollow oriole]

Ight thx

[hollow shell]

The effects are very specific, despite the tags being permanently visible
Which is why this suggestion was made #suggestions-posting message

[hollow oriole]

It would be kinda cool if dif weapon types did have an effect in combat, but it makes sense why they don’t

[hollow shell]

(btw @heavy urchin you could expand your reasoning on that sugg)

(I agree with it completely but it's quite minimal atm)

[hollow oriole]

Maybe it could expand on the guns traits of doing more dmg to specific enemy types

Like fire = non organic
Nature = organic
Ice = a smaller boost to both

[heavy urchin]

what more do you want on it

its just text bloat

one thing: did calamity buff defense?

defense is quite arbitary in vanilla

[hollow shell]

As in, you could explain why it's confusing to have those tags permanently visible despite their specific usages

[sleek wadi]

Calamity didn't buff defense but it did buff warding through the roof

[hollow shell]

leads to situations like Whomsticot's where they thought that it had some universal effect

[hollow oriole]

[hollow shell]

like better effect against certain enemies

[heavy urchin]

better now?

[sleek wadi]

Fire weapons get 1.05x multiplied damage against Cryogen lets goooo

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's a bit better thanks

[hollow oriole]

Also

When were the tags introduced?

I assume recently

[sleek wadi]

Tags were made visible in 1.5

[heavy urchin]

fire weapons get 69420x multiplied damage against Cryogen lets gooo

[spark pulsar]

1.5

[hollow oriole]

Mhm

[heavy urchin]

luigi% is back

[hollow oriole]

That explains it, I played calam a while ago and it didn’t have it

[sleek wadi]

Oneshotting Cryogen with Fiery Greatsword epic style

[heavy urchin]

true melee nohit damd lugi%

[hollow oriole]

ohko with a torch on a stick

[hollow shell]

cryo instantly dies if the sun is out

[hollow oriole]

cryo is a gamer

[heavy urchin]

nohit(from you or cryo)

[spark pulsar]

cryo dies if any amount of light exists anywhere in the world

[heavy urchin]

if: "Cryogen"
Kill "Cryogen"

[hollow shell]

You could add, Storm, that it's currently totally useless for late-game weapons to have their ice tag outside of fruitless consistency

Nobody's using Eskimo against Yharon

An alcohol is universal

[hollow oriole]

[heavy urchin]

wait theres 2 suggs about tags?

[heavy urchin]

challenge

im gonna use eskimo against SCAL

[grim tusk]

Actually since im legal drinking age now (not US) maybe i should try some of these

[hollow shell]

Final sentence is a bit run-on but ye thank you

[hollow oriole]

Also, I like the speed increase for the start

[hollow shell]

I do too but I do wish it was toggleable, as was suggested

[hollow oriole]

But does it have to completely negate the need for Hermes boots and it’s upgrades

Mhm

[grim tusk]

Angel treads and frostspark are still extremely good

Specially treads

[hollow oriole]

Ik

I’m talking about hermes and specter

[grim tusk]

Later in the game it really does feel that tracers got nerfed hard, specially Celestial tracers

[hollow oriole]

And to an extent the lightning

Maybe it could be a tad bit slower than the Hermes boots

and not just by 1 speed unit

[grim tusk]

Also hermes does help acceleration tho

[hollow oriole]

Mhm

[grim tusk]

Top speed i can see that it really doesnt compete much

[hollow oriole]

But if you are post eye acceleration isn’t a big deal

Cus u almost always have either scarf or shield

[grim tusk]

By eye you’ll prob have lightning/frostspark already

[hollow oriole]

And those are still the same speed

[grim tusk]

Maybe having the boosts themselves give speed boost

[hollow oriole]

last I tested

Yea

[heavy urchin]

that exists?

[hollow oriole]

I do find it stupid that all 3 of them have the same max speed

[grim tusk]

Lighting and frostspark are faster than spectre, hermes (and its clones)

[hollow oriole]

Wait lightning’s faster?

[heavy urchin]

i got hermes the first few min of the game

[small timber]

lightning and frostspark are now faster because calamity "removed" max speed on boots no?

[heavy urchin]

so i couldn't rly tell

[hollow oriole]

I’ve been using it and I don’t see a dif from spectre

[hollow shell]

What?

You mean this?

(I would like some in-game Stopwatch testing btw)

(cuz vanilla wiki says Hermes takes you up to 30mph)

[hollow oriole]

I got 32

With

And and 31 without