suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

this dude

really drew his SIS'

lmao

effort 💯

[exotic stag]

twice.

[river glen]

wtf are these suggestions

[ashen warren]

bad

[ashen warren]

Hmm, I suppose that could make sense to implement.

It shouldn't have full cold protection though, seeing as how it is just a scarf.

[lone geyser]

it's binary

you either have immunity or you dont

as far as i know

[hollow shell]

byeah this makes sense

We have these items granting cold protection already

Granted, Counter/Evasion Scarf aren't themed around the snow at all
but they are indeed scarves

[crude geode]

I’d argue it’s to give said items more effects, while counter scarf/evasion scarf already have immense value in being dodges, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

I mean, over half of the gear that grants temperature protection is already useful

like armors and near-universal accessories

[unique reef]

Nobody's questioning the nerf to SCal damage.

[hollow shell]

I mean

yeah, survivability during that fight is lower than in previous updates, and yet the damage was not reduced at all, afaik

[unique reef]

I'm aware

[hollow shell]

GS revive is no longer a thing (unless you equip its dedicated acc, in which it is nerfed), half the classes don't get Silva revive, defense damage is now a thing

[fossil finch]

Tbf dd doesn't affect that much byeah

[unique reef]

And even the tankiest builds get 4 shot

[fossil finch]

(In previous updates if you got hit two times by scal in the time dd gets to regenerate you're probably wasting both your revives right away)

[unique reef]

Nah, before I could survive like 4-5 hits before I worry about wasting a revive

[fossil finch]

You couldn't

[unique reef]

Now? It's two. Take it or leave it

[fossil finch]

Bro like
Her damage did not change, and the dot was nerfed
Only change in damage would be dd, and I'm supposing you're stating that like it happens even after dd regenerates
So like
That just can't happen?

[unique reef]

I get that Death mode is hard but triggering a revive in 2 hits is silly

[hollow shell]

Yeah iunno if it's quite correct to say that before 1.5 you could take more hits before you hit your revive

[unique reef]

Especially since you don't want to trigger Silva revive

[fossil finch]

Death always triggered a revive in about two hits at quick succession
So the sugg would not apply to that exactly

[unique reef]

I swear I could take 4 hits before triggering a revive

In quick succession, of course. I only survive because of long immune frames and insane regen

[fossil finch]

Well uh
If you'd provide setups, and stuff
Maybe even videos if you could
That'd be helpful and all

[unique reef]

Well now I gotta find something that does work

[fossil finch]

1.4.5.007 is still disponible at the github so you can test it pre 1.5 too if you want

[unique reef]

Perhaps

[silver silo]

Are suggestions about stuff that wasn’t added to the update yet considered future content aka donts

[hollow shell]

Example?

[silver silo]

Exo armor

[hollow shell]

Yeah you prolly shouldn't make a suggestion about that

[silver silo]

(Honestly I just want to know if anybody has plans for how it’s going to look yet)

[hollow shell]

We have a sprite

[silver silo]

Oh already nice, I assume not public though

[hollow shell]

I don't know actually

[silver silo]

🤔

[fossil finch]

It's not public

If it was I'd know

[silver silo]

I’m sure it’ll look amazing just curious if we’re going with draedon rgb black theme or the exo weapons miracle matter theme

[fossil finch]

Maybe the latter

[silver silo]

More likely

If that’s the case I wonder if suggesting something like “prismatic armor” that uses the exo mechs color scheme would be allowed

Might be a bit of a stretch though especially since I just like the look of it

[iron ridge]

read that as pubic

but anyways the snow and fire element weakness/buff isnt really usable

imean you dont wanna waste an accessory slot on warm prot

unless it comes with a different buff other than warm prot

[fossil finch]

Ear rape has been a serious term for about two decades used to describe horrible sounds

Or just sounds with extreme volume levels

It is not a "rape joke" and has never been one

[gray nebula]

I mean i think the suggestion aknowledges that and still requests it to be changed due to disagreeing with the word itself

[fossil finch]

Fair blike
Lol

[fallow hedge]

can't help but agree with this suggestion, and I don't believe its establishment in internet venacular should influence its stay

[hollow shell]

It seems like "earrape" was recently decided to be a not-okay term

because a similar discussion arose in the moderator chat very recently, as it has always been the go-to term for logging punishments when somebody plays a painfully loud noise in VC

[fossil finch]

crying and coping then

[cosmic bluff]

it literally is.

in my eyes, that is.

it just... makes me really uncomfortable.

[hollow shell]

I'm sorry to hear that

Yeah, your suggestion is valid

[dapper violet]

genuine question has anyone ever actually made wulfrum armor

[cold cosmos]

Yes

Often

[brisk bramble]

yes

[cold cosmos]

Just add John Wulfrum guys smh

[brisk bramble]

Until I get better armor like Prowler or robes
Wulfrum is pretty solid early game

[sleek wadi]

Yes and its seeing more usage now that victide is DS only

[brisk bramble]

And it got buffed

iirc

[cold cosmos]

Post-yharim superboss

[brisk bramble]

I would say DS is a bit too much with how limited you are early game
but this is malice so I aint complaining much

Its adrenaline Pumping

Malice DS is unhinged
aggresive

hes a completely different animal

[hollow shell]

@sweet lark You should explain why the item set and the armor set are not enough

in your sugg

[sweet lark]

ok

also

rover i have to ask

was the equipment roverdrive named after u

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Rover_Drive

[queen ibex]

i think that's probably because it drops from the rovers

[sweet lark]

ik

it would kinda make sense tho

[hollow shell]

Yes that item is a funny haha cuz of my name

[sweet lark]

ok

[queen ibex]

very funny

[hollow shell]

It's the closest thing in the mod I have to a dedicated item

[fossil finch]

rover don't you have a pet

[hollow shell]

In Vanities

I didn't even know that it was made, initially. Someone just sent me a screenshot of it one time

[sweet lark]

is vanities on the wiki?

im assuming not

[hollow shell]

Calamity's Vanities is a separate mod

It has its own wiki

https://terrariamods.fandom.com/wiki/Calamity's_Vanities

(on the Mods Wiki)

[sweet lark]

u have any idea what it s called

i cant find ur pet

[hollow shell]

https://terrariamods.fandom.com/wiki/Calamity's_Vanities/Rover_Spindle

[brisk bramble]

Sus

:troll:

[stable crane]

how?

[brisk bramble]

sus

:troll:

[hollow shell]

Bah I probably should have exclamated that Phasesaber sugg

Oh well

[cobalt pewter]

Oof

[grim tusk]

well you can just delete the message right?

[hollow shell]

It's not a

terrible suggestion

Not really specific

Just, prolly more specific than I would've liked

[torn crown]

Are the mech alts that are supposed to be spawnable after 1 mech or so intended to still spawn because of deathmode's random boss spawn mechanic?

[hollow shell]

I think that is going to be corrected

so they can be fought from the beginning of Hardmode

[torn crown]

Ah I see

[cobalt pewter]

Corrected?

[hollow shell]

They currently require 1 mech kill. Mythril/Orich Anvil

But they're supposed to be available pre-mech

[half sage]

brimmy requires 2 because forge to make unholy cores

[cobalt pewter]

Yea

The order rn is

Cryo - mech - AS - mech - brimmy - mech

[hollow shell]

byeah
when it should be, like

You could fight them in that order if you want to, or you could do somethin else

but right now you have no choice

which is no good

[cobalt pewter]

Suggested smth about it yea

A bit annoying that I can't frag brimmy right after a mech

I ended up leaving AS last within those 6 bosses

[lunar wolf]

Is it possible for mods to balance other mods? I was going to suggest Calamity do that with some of the thorium items as they really clash towards terraria’s normal endgame

[small timber]

calamity is balanced on itself, to put it simply not gonna happen unless other mods try to balance around calamity

because calamity use a different balance system to other mod (calamity = revengeance mode, other mods = expert)

[lunar wolf]

I was meaning more along the lines of an addon mod to calamity that just tweaks some of the numbers to thorium

[small timber]

addon mods are addon mods, so not recommended to suggestion on calamity main mod itself, because it simply will not happen

calamity used to have something like that but it end up that thorium bosses get rekt anyway (same for the other way around for thorium endgame weapons) so calamity just say "fuck it we only balance around ourselves"

[sweet lark]

who the Rover Drive (Calamity) item was also named after

i was right

look on vanities page

[hollow shell]

(I added that earlier today) :P

[grim tusk]

Eye of night and Deathstare staff are the new vile feeder

[cobalt pewter]

True

[stable wedge]

seeing how many suggs are posted every day I now see why none of them reach the star goal

[earnest raptor]

Thorium's endgame is "you defeated final boss, here is your absolutely broken items, have fun"

[hollow shell]

(normally its far slower but it's spiking because big update)

(We've sometimes had days with no suggestions in posting)

[pulsar marlin]

Too be honest, Yharon's rebirth version of Infernal Catharsis should have played instead.

The old version is quite outdated

[hollow shell]

wwweird, I don't know why we used the old one and not the new one

[glossy stone]

Outdated is a bit too far imo
The new one is the same but with more instruments, so the old isn't THAT primitive

Byeah the new one should be used

[pulsar marlin]

Welp, it used to play at Yharon before fighting the Solar Eclipse the last update before the Draedon update, but since the Solar Eclipse is moved to post DoGGo and Yharon no longer require rematches, the old one plays instead, which that means that the new one is removed

[glossy stone]

...for some reason.

Think it's because the game still counts it as trying to fight P1 Yharon so it plays the P1 theme "as it should"

But since now both phases are in the same fight, the trigger for P2 got trashed, so the music never changes

so we get the old theme.

[torn crown]

Where can I listen to the old version?

[hollow shell]

It's still on Dok's channel

Infernal Catharsis, the one that isn't Rebirth

[earnest raptor]

on Dokuro's channel?

[hollow shell]

Yes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FnxtW73hWE

[exotic stag]

this happens with most summons

its not like

a very damaging issue since most summons dont like going thru floors/walls

[simple quarry]

yeah but those summons kind of suck to use, since they get stuck all the time

[languid quartz]

Wtf

Suggestions about reverting changes aren’t allowed, see the doc in pins @winter lotus

[deft yew]

Possibly someone else running that account rn

I’ve never known Culteast to act this strangely

and besides nanoblack wasn’t given to melee

[languid quartz]

Oh huh

Yeah I was about to say

[tardy smelt]

meh, dunno.

[gray nebula]

[tardy smelt]

everyone who's been in cmt is tainted

myself included

byeah this is just funny

also, I wonder if this is gonna get to the star req before christmas

it be kinda slow

[deft yew]

the heck lole

[tardy smelt]

this is pretty great

moral of the story before using these channels

[hardy dock]

Nanoblack Reaper still is Rogue lmao

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[languid quartz]

Lmfao

[winter lotus]

yeah hes kinda a crack head

also what the hell was he rambling about nanoblack reaper is still rogue

[gray nebula]

copiu m

if your entire enjoyment of a mod depends on a single endgame weapon being a specific class or not its quite goofy

[winter lotus]

very goofy

[gray nebula]

the only change made on a single endgame weapon that would warrant hating the mod is any kind of nerf on the flamsteed ring

[deft yew]

Oh come on Flamsteed needs big nerfs anyway

[distant gyro]

stealth flamsteed still works

update saved

[deft yew]

In fact, stealth hard buffed

[deft yew]

how does one have so many different chad emotes

lole

also culteast you gonna delete that sugg yet?

[distant gyro]

iban probably has a server for stocking emotes ngl

[gray nebula]

i mean i have 5 separate emote servers but its just that im in a lot of servers where there are a lot of other sigma males like me so i have a lot of em

[distant gyro]

that's a lot

[deft yew]

this look ok? i'm not really sure

[distant gyro]

yeah

there's something about the one above i just remembered though

[deft yew]

you especially can't make them spawn like EoW

or boss rush grinders will rip their hair out

side note: should have made this exclusively about oarfish so i could add "reduce their aggression range"

oarfish are somehow much less visible than other abyss enemies

and aggro me pretty much at random

[hot zephyr]

noooo! rogue paladin hammer

because the textbook definition of a stealthy weapon is a giant fucking hammer that blasts a bell chime heard across the planet

[hollow idol]

(it got nerfed by 8000 damage this update)

[weak field]

#suggestions-posting message

Shouldn't this have an exclamation mark

[deft yew]

explanation above

(in here)

[gray venture]

couldnt they still

delete it

[languid quartz]

@zenith mural already planned, a sugg for this isn’t necessary

[distant gyro]

already nerfed

you can have one of the changes

[languid quartz]

Yeah that

[distant gyro]

iframe increased from 19 to 90

[neat linden]

yeah suggestion also not properly formatted

[torn crown]

Oh damn

Beeg nerf

[distant gyro]

that's the biggest part for sure but there's 4 more nerfs

[hollow shell]

@winter lotus ... Nanoblack Reaper is one of the splits what stayed rogue-only.

[cobalt pewter]

lmfao.

[languid quartz]

See this

[hollow shell]

Okay but why didn't he delete it

I guess I'll just do that?

[languid quartz]

Yeah probably

[hollow shell]

Also oh I had no idea that Chaotic Puffer was moved up to Layers 2 and 3 instead of being Layer 4 exclusive

Their health did get nerfed a bit though

[hollow shell]

I mean you can kinda judge at a glance whether or not Defense Damage is active

"Is your defense low as fuck?" = Yes
"Is your defense increasing at a rapid rate?" = Yes (recovering)

[half sage]

I think they mean a way of seeing it without opening the equipment menu

wait nvm

defense UI

I can't read

[fossil finch]

That's called reading the fucking damage number

[exotic stag]

unless your going to do a progression skip or reaver shark. i dont really see it tbf

[drowsy plank]

unless of course boss spawners were changed to non-consumable for a DIFFERENT reason, but i think it's a valid point to bring up at least, feel free to correct me if im wrong and ill just delete it lol

[exotic stag]

blood relic is consumable correct? if not then blood moon can be erased

[drowsy plank]

yeah im saying make it non consumable

[exotic stag]

im overlooking all the events right now.

also solar eclipses are just really easy since you have solar tablets.

and you can just use zergs

[drowsy plank]

i have no idea what point you're trying to make, they still have to be grinded out

[exotic stag]

but with zergs way less for solar eclipses

basically zerg limits the amount of grinding earlier

(or makes it less i mean)

[drowsy plank]

ok that still

[exotic stag]

just pop a zerg and farm

[drowsy plank]

does not

change anything i said

[exotic stag]

it actually does. because you can negate half of the events there by just

"zerg pop and farm"

[drowsy plank]

ok so we should make boss spawners consumable again????

[exotic stag]

thats entirely different. other then like mechs and voodoos (but wof doesnt count since its not inconsumable)

[drowsy plank]

how

[exotic stag]

you cant just pop a zerg and get the summon easily.

you have to craft most of them

[drowsy plank]

yes??? like the spawners i mentioned???

[exotic stag]

yes but the summons are actually indeed easier with zergs

like solar eclipse (again as an example)

[drowsy plank]

so are bosses????????

[exotic stag]

you just pop one in the jungle temple

and boom you have like

60 fragments already

(also why do you keep putting 60 question marks every time you talk)

[drowsy plank]

so we should make rav's summon consumable again then

i literally cannot figure out what you're trying to say

your point seems to either agree with mine, or should mean bosses should also be reversed

[exotic stag]

im telling you that boss summons are infact way harder to craft then event summons.

which is obvious

[drowsy plank]

ravager and the solar eclipse literally use the exact same materials for the spawners

further more there is more than one event

which you seem to be completely ignoring

and those all have much harder to get crafting materials

[exotic stag]

i gave you two examples out of what? 6?

[drowsy plank]

you gave me one example

[exotic stag]

and hell even pirates and martians could be put under the "just zerg"

[drowsy plank]

the solar eclipse

[exotic stag]

Goblin army. and solar eclipse

since goblin army you can just zerg for scouts

and pirates just zerg until a pirate map

martians. zerg until you get a probe

[drowsy plank]

you never said that, but yeah i understand, and you can also just buy it, and for blood moons you can just spam the cosmolight, but this doesn't change anything i said

[exotic stag]

(im pretty sure cosmolight had that removed)

[drowsy plank]

if it was enough reason to change boss spawners which are literally the exact same thing

so then that would be even more of a reason to make the change

[grim tusk]

Cosmolight still exists, its materials dont and its now crafted directly

[drowsy plank]

i think they meant the ability to spam it until an event spawns naturally, which i never heard, but it only would strengthen my case

[grim tusk]

But iirc you cant get blood moons or eclipses by spamming

[drowsy plank]

huh

[deft yew]

correct

[exotic stag]

yeah that. i forgot cause i never did that with cosmolight

but yeah most problems are just zerg

[drowsy plank]

so change boss spawners back

[exotic stag]

got an event issue? use zerg.

[ashen warren]

So how is my suggestion? Do I need to edit it?

[exotic stag]

no voz

[drowsy plank]

looks fine

[exotic stag]

seems just like a qol thing

so its fine

[ashen warren]

Basically all of my suggestions have been appearance related stuff that makes more sense to the lore.

[exotic stag]

yeah it seems fine though

[zenith mural]

eye of night op

late pre hardmode

gets you through plantera easy

even on revengeance or death

[languid quartz]

It’s already been nerfed

The hotfix just hasn’t come out yet

[ashen warren]

could I make a suggestion regarding the absorber, maybe make it a direct upgrade from the ambrosial ampoule and make it inherit the the freeze, chilled and frostburn immunity from it since the absorber dont have that and the ampoule is just the overall better option at its tier seeing as bosses like cultist is able to freeze you in place with the ice attack

[dapper coral]

ampoule got moved out of the big crafting tree for a reason

that reason being, it's strong enough on its own to warrant being the end of its line

i highly doubt the devs will approve any suggestion that talks about adding ampoule to another big tree again

[ashen warren]

yeah i can see that

imo it outclasses the absorber even though the absorber is attainable post cultist

[dapper coral]

you could make a sugg to nerf ampoule/buff absorber, in that case

[sleek wadi]

Is Flesh Totem/CotBG going on cooldown after a successful ram intentional?

[deft yew]

most likely no

source code issue

[winter lotus]

right forgor to delete

pretty sure its already gone probs some mod deleted

[small timber]

Although just my opinion I feel like Absorber is still decently more powerful than Ambrosial Ampoule. Light is mostly irrelevant except in the Abyss (since Shine + Nightowl fix a lot of the issue in Underground), and comparing the debuff immunity with Absorber is not really necessarily since Absorber is post-cultist (not many enemy inflict those debuff at this point)

When comparing the stats, Absorber have higher defense, higher damage reduction (in fact can be considered 20% damage reduction because of the 5% heal effect), while still giving speed and life. Liquid and standing still boost is mostly just an extra. If you compare it like that the only effect Absorber is directly weaker is no +2 life regen

The only real criticism I can think of when comparing the two is that Ambrosial is super easy to craft while Absorber has extremely lengthy crafting recipe

[fossil finch]

That's like what

4?

3?

[frozen hornet]

Since when did scarf have a rare variant?

[fossil finch]

Never

Evasion has always been an upgrade

The sugg's just misinformed

[frozen hornet]

it still concerns me that so many people do rev for the items only

[small timber]

in someway it makes a lot of sense, people who can do Malice do not need Crown jewel whatsoever while Scarf are not necessarily stronger than SoC (especially Malice)

so it is basically 2 items that are not useful in Malice put as reward for Malice

[sand umbra]

Scarf isn't as good as people who cry about Malice say it is

[small timber]

the only thing is that many people are more used to Scarf because it is a dash not a bash

[sand umbra]

Shield is:

• obtainable in a lower difficulty, even prior to 1.5
• more consistent in how it works
• able to give you more options out of a bonk because of how it works
• able to deal damage
• (mostly irrelevant, but) able to be used in nohits

the dash given by Counter Scarf, and by extension Evasion Scarf as well, is effectively a one-time-per-15-seconds-or-so projectile dodge that doesn't even work disguised as a reskinned Shield of Cthulhu dash

[half sage]

I was gonna say CS is slightly longer but nah I double checked and it's identical

[small timber]

and scarf don't even have scarf boost buff anymore

[sand umbra]

yeah it also doesn't give Scarf Boost anymore

[simple stump]

That only proves my point that it shouldn't be in malice mode

If it's as bad as you say it is, why did you put it as a challenge item

[sleek wadi]

It having a longer dash wouldn't matter anyway, aside from extreme cases dash length doesn't really matter as dashes are good because if the instant turn-around

[fast viper]

the scarf looks cool for fashion

[distant gyro]

did someone ask for another nerf

[fast viper]

they probably moved scarf to malice only for consistency with other rev only drops

[ripe owl]

Earrape =/= rape shake my head

[fast viper]

the line of thinking being that rev shouldn't have exclusive items, malice should be there

[small timber]

if someone is uncomfortable because of it even if it is supposed to have different meaning it should still be addressed

[sleek wadi]

Having EoC just drop both scarf and shield always would be the solution here rather than back to rev only

[simple stump]

Then just put the scarf in expert

[grim tusk]

And usable even vs Yharon (although not as much as its pre-nerfed version)

[sleek wadi]

So then it becomes a choice of "Do I want contact damage protection or projectile protection"

[small timber]

partially the reason they moved scarf to Malice I think is so that they don't have to make completely new items for Malice drops, but I guess they underestimate how many people like and use Scarf, especially Revengeance

[simple stump]

There's no reason for it to be in malice mode

[ripe owl]

Earrape may be connected to raping because it literally means "raping your ears with a loud sound"

[simple stump]

It just takes a fun item away from casual players

[ripe owl]

But just think about it for a brief moment

[sleek wadi]

You could just run over EoC a couple of bosses later, its not like its reactive DR is THAT intense yet

Malice is meant for refights afterall

[pure verge]

it's either buff Scarf and Jewel or make those items obtainable no matter what difficulty your playing.

[frozen hornet]

Once you kill eye of cthulhu it's RDR is removed making doing malice EoC much easier than on-tier malice EoC

[small timber]

the thing is most people (especially those playing on Revengeance), will not activate Malice at all, even for refight

[simple stump]

This

They nerfed scarf and then made it malice only

Why

[ripe owl]

Jewel is completely useless shake my smh

[simple stump]

Then why is it malice only

[sleek wadi]

I could see jewel still having a lot of use way beyond pre-hm as it effectively answers debuffs which is currently the one thing that scares tank builds

[simple stump]

You're only proving the point

[ripe owl]

I'd rather ask "why does it exist"

[fast viper]

hey, jewel is good

[simple stump]

It simply shouldn't be in malice mode no matter what way you look at it

[fast viper]

scarf is fine as an alternative to shield for different fights, but the fact that only malice players get that choice doesn't really even bother me

[sleek wadi]

Scarf I could see leaving malice, jewel still has a ton of staying power just in niche cases

If I ever thought to return to KS I would've used jewel on PBG, ML, Providence, maybe first fight AD

[frozen hornet]

By PBG you'd have jewel's upgrade already

[half sage]

^

which isn't locked behind anything

not anymore

[sleek wadi]

Huh, thought it would've lost that effect

[simple stump]

If i was going to rewrite my suggestion, it'd be move counter scarf and jewel to expert mode instead of malice

[sleek wadi]

You can still rewrite it

[simple stump]

Alright one sec

[small timber]

Expert is abit too low considering shield is also expert, but rev probably is the point

[sleek wadi]

Rev+ items aren't gonna be a thing anymore so either it goes in expert, all modes, or stays malice

Well, rev+ items that aren't dependant on rage/adren

[tacit vine]

oh didn't know that thanks

[simple stump]

Done

I don't think counter scarf should be all modes

I think it should at least be expert

Because it's an equal alternative to shield

[small timber]

i think you should address balancing and the "equivalent to shield" in your suggestion, because currently the suggestion (not meant to be insulting you) seems like "wah return my revengeance exclusive item, oh btw move it to expert too because why not", so very unlikely that the dev will accept it (even if it gets enough votes)

Need stronger reasoning than just it was nerfed and therefore accessible even for Expert

[simple stump]

how does that sound

@small timber

[torn crown]

A lot if people use C. Scarf up to hardmode, where they now get the Evasion Scarf

There's also the possibility of acc bloat (people leaving out SoC for CS, which was the case for a long while) unless the scarf gets tiershifted

[small timber]

looks much better, at least to me

[simple stump]

👍

[torn crown]

I'm on the same page with the jewel though

Not a lot of people use it for the debuff counterbuff

[simple stump]

i just don't see why scarf was nerfed and then moved to malice mode

when every other challenge item got buffed

especially since it's basically just a SoC without the ram damage

and you don't bounce

it's simply an alternative playstyle item, not a power increase

[sleek wadi]

Some other challenge items also got nerfs, for example Warbanner of the Sun

Its past version, Samurai Badge, used to have its buffs cap at 30% now it caps at 20%

[simple stump]

yeah but that one's actually powerful

so i get why it got a nerf

[small timber]

they can even nerf the counter scarf projectile dodge to 30 sec and move it to expert and some people will definitely still use it

just because of the different dash, not necessarily the power of the item

[simple stump]

yeah

[sleek wadi]

I think the harder nerf was it becoming malice in the first place, true melee malice provi is actual aids

[simple stump]

my point is

putting the counter scarf behind malice mode

is like locking a class behind a difficulty mode

you're just cutting off people who play the game a different way

it doesn't make the game harder, it just makes it less fun

the only reason i use counter scarf is because the SoC makes it harder for me to dodge because i'm not expecting to bounce off projectiles

[copper turret]

wasnt scarf locked behind rev orignally tho

[simple stump]

yeah

but then it got nerfed

[copper turret]

and you get shield at expert

so why would the player need two dash things

[sleek wadi]

You don't bonk off of projectiles though

[simple stump]

what?

yes you do

[copper turret]

shield would become useless if scarf was given out at expert

everybody on expert mode would choose scarf over shield

[novel belfry]

most challenge items used to be rare item variants of weapons

[copper turret]

so thats why its malice mode ig

[simple stump]

[small timber]

it will definitely not be, shield is arguably even stronger than scarf

[simple stump]

shield does damage

[sleek wadi]

Projectiles like QB's tiny bees maybe that have actual heath, but it doesn't bonk off of projectiles only enemies

[simple stump]

scarf is a dodge

they're different playstyles

[copper turret]

scarf has iframes, however

[simple stump]

yes that's the point

[copper turret]

and the dodge is very cool

[simple stump]

it's a dodge

people still use shield

[sleek wadi]

Remember that it doesn't have knockback immunity so what you might be mistaking for a bonk is just knockback

[simple stump]

it doesn't make shield useless

[copper turret]

but i feel like two dash accessories from one boss at one difficult would be kinda weird

like getting a counter scarf and a shield

[simple stump]

ok then just make the counter scarf craftable with shield or something

the point is giving the player an option between the two

[gray nebula]

[sleek wadi]

Having 2 dashes gives the player a choice of "Do I want to deal with contact damage or do I want to deal with projectiles"

[copper turret]

I feel like malice is too high a difficulty but expert is too low

for the scarf

[simple stump]

well the devs said there's no more rev+ items so what do you want me to say

[small timber]

mostly because Rev exclusive items (except Adre/Rage) is removed so the suggestion was based on Expert

[simple stump]

malice is far too high for scarf

expert is only slightly lower

so expert makes more sense

[copper turret]

perhaps scarf craftable with shield

yea

[small timber]

unless they reintroduce it, I can see it though, Scarf for EoC, Jewel for KS and one new accessory for Desert Scourge and you have a trinity of "Revengeance exclusive early boss drops"

[sleek wadi]

Scarf is too weak to justify being locked behind malice seeing as it arguably has even less staying power than SoC assuming you're allergic to scarfs or something

[copper turret]

That is true, it is underwhelming

Either buff it or move it down a couple tiers

(buffing the scarf after a nerf wouldnt make sense so likely they will move it down tiers)

[sleek wadi]

Scarf gets replaced after first mech while SoC's first replacement, Ornate Shield, is post 2 mechs

[simple stump]

well if it doesn't get changed

catch me making a mod that changes it

no-malice scarf mod

[sleek wadi]

That true melee buff also doesn't justify scarf being malice btw, true melee has a ton of reasons to use the bonk

[simple stump]

yeah

[sleek wadi]

Biggest one being that it makes spacing so much easier

[simple stump]

like i said in my suggestion

it's not good enough for malice

buff it or move it down to expert

because right now i'd just suffer through SoC until post 1 mech because i don't want to play malice mode

or i'd cheat it in

because it makes the game more fun for me

the main problem is that malice is for refights, but why would you refight a harder boss for an item that's only just as good as the one you got the first time

there's no point

[copper turret]

yea

I think it should be moved

[simple stump]

if they added the true melee buff back and then also increased the buff it gives you, then i'd accept it being in malice mode

but right now it just makes no sense to be there

[copper turret]

I don't get why its a true melee buff tho

[simple stump]

i think it's mainly because they expected you to dash through enemies and then swing

so you do more damage after dashing

[small timber]

I think people do not like the concept of refighting too even if Malice is designed to be that, for Terraria player fighting a boss with post their tier (therefore not limited by gear) just to challenge a harder version of it do not make sen

[copper turret]

Hmm yea

[simple stump]

i don't like the concept of malice mode in general

[small timber]

like I can fight Malice EoC with post-Skeletron gears but what is the point, since there is no limitation

[simple stump]

but i'm not going to suggest "get rid of malice mode"

[copper turret]

They're just gonna add more difficulties

to give something for everybody

[simple stump]

i just want the fun alternate playstyle item back

also rip armageddon and defiled rune

[copper turret]

Malice mode isn't that bad with better gear

[small timber]

I think eventually they will adjust Malice to be "doable on tier just with extreme difficulty", similar to how Death was just number bloat, but soon™

[sleek wadi]

The malice drops are powerful enough to justify the refights and personally I like that I have the option to refight a boss I liked but buffed up to my level

[simple stump]

useless difficulty modes now

no more money farming

[half sage]

arma has always been a nohitter mode, people just cheesed it by fighting bosses 8 tiers below them for free money

[sleek wadi]

Money farming is also not really needed anymore seeing as goblin isn't draining your entire wallet

[simple stump]

true

[sleek wadi]

As for defiled feather and armageddon losing their uses, thats not really why you used the modes in the first place

[copper turret]

So should the scarf be craftable then? Instead of being a malice EoC drop?

[simple stump]

although goblin tinkerer update may be bugged with alchemist npc

because it seems like nothing changed

gotta test it more

[sleek wadi]

Defiled was always meant for wingless fights and armageddon was ez no-hit

[small timber]

you don't need alchemist npc anymore (mostly) that calamity add potion selling

[simple stump]

wait did they?

[half sage]

imo scarf should stay malice but get its nerfs reverted/get different buffs to make it more worthy of being a malice drop

[simple stump]

who sells potions

[sleek wadi]

A bunch of NPCs sell potions

[copper turret]

I do like all the potions being in one place, though

[simple stump]

yeah me too

[sleek wadi]

Its not a one-stop shop but the potion set an NPC sells is generally themed

[half sage]

I like alchemistnpc still because charm frees up inventory space

[simple stump]

lite version though

[copper turret]

And also cause i can just buy stars off of the alchemist to fuel my star cannon

[simple stump]

regular alchnpc bad

[sleek wadi]

For example, Amidias sells water-based potions, Cirrus heart-themed ones, demolitionist defense and exploration, arms dealer ranged etc.

[copper turret]

But that isn't the point - scarf should be buffed
I mean malice mode is literally "you gotta understand the entire bosses's this and that to win, heres a subpar SoC remake with a dodge"

[simple stump]

that's why i suggested buff or drop it down a tier

so the devs can decide

cuz either way the scarf in its current form shouldn't be in malice

[half sage]

also if they do decide to move scarf out of malice, I think it should go back into the evasion scar recipe, since evasion scarf was changed to accommodate counter being a malice drop

[simple stump]

true

[small timber]

not necessarily, evasion scarf change make it accessible to normal mode

[simple stump]

oh yeah i forgot normal mode exists

though honestly

evasion scarf should be expert

[small timber]

nah if people are playing on normal they need all the help they can get

[simple stump]

actually i guess it just depends on how hard lategame bosses are on normal

[small timber]

if people are playing on normal their reason are definitely not to seek difficulty

[simple stump]

another thing they could do is nerf counter scarf more and drop it down to normal mode

[small timber]

counter scarf on normal will be completely busted, normal don't have access to dash until hardmode

[simple stump]

who even plays normal mode anyways

but yeah fair point

[sweet lark]

is it really that bad?

soundwave is kinda wrong

[simple stump]

it is a little bit

[half sage]

yea that suggestion should be an ❗ since brimstone already has a WIP resprite anyway

[sweet lark]

yeah

[torn crown]

Wait is the non-linearity change for early hardmode bosses implemented for 1.5.0.002?

[simple stump]

no

[half sage]

brimmy is no longer post 2 mechs

[simple stump]

wait

yes

[half sage]

that's something

[simple stump]

i can't read

[torn crown]

I heard the devs talk about stuff like making AS pre-mechs

But I see it nowhere in the changelogs

[simple stump]

i thought you said pre-hardmode

[torn crown]

[sweet lark]

heh

[copper turret]

wait i thought cosmic guardians did despawn when phase 1 dog dies

[half sage]

that was a suggestion but it's only just reached voting so who knows what they'll do with it

[torn crown]

They said that they'll be taking a break after this hotfix too so

[copper turret]

do they not anymore? i remember they just fly up towards the top of the map and disappear

[sweet lark]

i can honsetly say sand elemental is prety hot compared to brimmy

[half sage]

nah sand tends to be a lot cooler than lava

[simple stump]

sand is far less than brimstone

it's still a bit too horny for terraria but it's nowhere near brimstone

[copper turret]

dryad

[ruby plover]

The way the suggestion is worded is…. A little bit Weird

[simple stump]

yeah

i get what they meant

[sweet lark]

nah

upscale and she is

[simple stump]

but it's a bit weird

[sweet lark]

i used to have a texture which was pretty horny

[sleek wadi]

Brimmy is getting resprited btw, and its very very slightly less horny. By less I mean they just removed the thighgap but it still got prominent tiddy

[ruby plover]

I know what they mean by it but… “make it less appealing” there are better ways to say it

[copper turret]

there are references in terraria to "those" topics but there aren't actual depictions of stuff like brimmy

[simple stump]

reduce the horny in young person game

[sweet lark]

yeah

[copper turret]

because it isn't a total kids game

i mean turn on blood and gore

[simple stump]

it's not, but a lot of kids do play it

[small timber]

calamity is a kid friendly mod (insert sepulcher.jpg)

[sweet lark]

i mean damn you have the nurse and the arms dealer and bear

plus the texture packs

[ruby plover]

But that’s more words rather than literal images

[copper turret]

i will say, yes, the suggestion is weirdly worded

[ruby plover]

don’t get me started on the texture packs

[simple stump]

children can't read didn't you know that

[copper turret]

oh lorde do not

[simple stump]

words don't exist in their heads

[sleek wadi]

The horniness of the elementals is by design and some NPC dialogue still drop not-so-subtle innuendos. Shoutouts to wizard's "I'd let Permafrost coldheart MY icicle" line

[simple stump]

[sweet lark]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2442049793

[simple stump]

[half sage]

[simple stump]

i hate it

[ruby plover]

you didn’t have to post a picture dude…

[simple stump]

[sweet lark]

damn i used these a month ago

[ruby plover]

…w…why

[sweet lark]

eh

[sleek wadi]

So less horny brimmy kinda sorta kinda not happening already

[half sage]

[sweet lark]

had a friend over and things got sus

[simple stump]

the internet is too horny

[ruby plover]

Rightio then

[simple stump]

goodbye

[sweet lark]

bro r34

[simple stump]

tiktok

[ruby plover]

Why do I participate in conversation like this willingly

This is fine

[copper turret]

What is that.

Full stop.

[simple stump]

over the years i've become more and more aware of how weird it is to have art like that of games that a lot of children play

[ruby plover]

True that

[copper turret]

yea

[simple stump]

there's far too much

[copper turret]

but fr why do they say "to be less appealing"

in the suggestion

[simple stump]

probably not a native english speaker

[ruby plover]

Yup yup yup could they change that

[simple stump]

from the way it's worded

[ruby plover]

Oh didn’t consider non-English speaker

[sleek wadi]

I don't think the sugg will get anywhere myself

[ruby plover]

Don’t know if it will marked as bad by Rover

[copper turret]

brimmy's already getting resprited so probably gonna get the !

[ruby plover]

But I’m pretty sure it won’t reach the star req

[small timber]

the suggestion will get exclaimed just because a brimmy resprite is on the way so no point discussing how it is worded

[ruby plover]

Ya true

[trail dawn]

I think its oversexualized

[trail dawn]

Didnt know that Sorry

[ruby plover]

All g. Also for future reference uhhhh the wording was a bit. Strange

But the point was fine in my opinion

[simple stump]

well i just looked at the star requirement for suggestions

so it's highly unlikely it'll be changed

guess i should start working on my mod for it then

[trail dawn]

Yeah i am Brazilian

[grim tusk]

@lapis canyon cosmic*

[lapis canyon]

aight thanks

[grim tusk]

Now i wait to make another accs sugg

Will be something related to point blank

@fresh stone it would be cool is not valid reasoning, also a very high effort sugg

If there is no good reason theres no need for it to get in, specially something of that scale considering theres a variant of sand sharks for each spreading biome (5 variants)

[fresh stone]

yeah i came up with it on a whim lol

not really a sugg more like something that could be a texture pack or another mod

[small timber]

I tried to put point blank into elemental quiver but seems unlikely to reach 270,a bit too high

[grim tusk]

I gave a small nod to that

Just 3 more mins

[small timber]

also a "texture pack" suggestion should not be on the mod's suggestion, since well it is the main mod itself, why would they develop a "addon mod" for their own mod when they can just change their own mod

[grim tusk]

^

When rover (or any mod) comes around the great sand shark sugg is getting ❗

[small timber]

oh wait my picksaw suggestion actually reached 200, great

[grim tusk]

I’d make a mage accs sugg but 2 daily sugg limit

[small timber]

I can help you post it if you are in haste, I have 1 slot

[grim tusk]

Would also give me time to think

[small timber]

or that violate some terms

[grim tusk]

Maybe but some ideas i had in mind would be to add more mage specific items that arent mana related

Cuz like 90% of the items have something mana restoring or mana usage reduced related

Maybe like all magic weapons have a chance for x

[small timber]

those are reserved for armor set no?

[grim tusk]

Or at certain % of mana you get a stat bonus

[small timber]

this I can see

an accessory that has different effect on high and low mana perhaps?

[grim tusk]

Many rogue items, most shrine items, hallowed rune

[grim tusk]

Yea something like that

[small timber]

oh sry I thought you meant projectile spawning

[grim tusk]

Currently the only item like that is like that is mana polarizer

[small timber]

rogue make sense since they have stealth strike so spawning additionaly projectile on accessory is great

[grim tusk]

Corrosive spine, Venerated locket, exhorter, ink bomb line, moonstone crown, scuttler’s jewel and dragon scales

iirc the only ones that spawns stuff on stealth is electrician’s glove and feather crown the rest are any attack

At least rogue doesnt have most of its accs being spawn projectiles anymore since 1.4.4

[small timber]

what if instead of an accessory mage get a potion instead? a potion that use Potion Sickness (Life pots one not mana sickness)

since astral injection is quite hard to use, so a different path

[grim tusk]

Aint that basically mana flower + restoration potions

Also chaos stone is extremely interesting

Potion sickness is swapped for DoT

[small timber]

I meant temporary mega buff potion at the expand of Potion Sickness, not for mana recovery

(although definition of "mega" is to be determined)

[grim tusk]

Though you meant something like strange brew

Which is 80 hp and 400 mana

[torn crown]

so like another high-risk high-reward mage potion?

[small timber]

basically, since mage have the identity of sacrificing life for knowledge (or something like that)

[grim tusk]

Mage already has 3 potions, and a station

[small timber]

rogue has way more, I dont think it will be a problem

since potion is limited to buff slot too

[grim tusk]

Mana regen, magic power, astral injection and clairvoiance (from crystal ball)

[torn crown]

this sugg reminds me of an idea I had of Draedon's Arsenal getting specific accessories for it

[grim tusk]

Rogue has invisibilty/shadow, penumbra, crumbling/shattering (wasnt this supposed to get removed in 1.5), flasks

[cobalt pewter]

No station buffs

[small timber]

oh they dont stack, although I think in general because of buff slot it is fine

[torn crown]

grinding station or something

rogue now benefits from it

[grim tusk]

Melee then gets tipsy, flask, sharpening, calamitas brew

[grim tusk]

Wait does it?

[torn crown]

Calamitas brew is also now compatible for rogue

[grim tusk]

[torn crown]

tipsy is still for melee

but I'm already content with what rogue has

[grim tusk]

Well mage at least has more buffs than ranger thats for sure

Archery and 2 armor reservation ones

[small timber]

how about a mage accessory that is mainly to apply multiple debuffs that start from early game? since now debuff immunity make more sense, starting from frostburn, on fire etc you get the idea

basically elemental mage

[grim tusk]

That sounds like brimflame armor with extra steps

[torn crown]

we already have classless weps for that

[cobalt pewter]

Wtf

Sharpening Station affects rogue?

I knew about calamitas brew

But sharpening

I mean nah no fucking way lemme check changelogs

[small timber]

is it busted? because rogue has way more projectile than melee so armor pen matters way more

especially sharpening is pre-boss

[cobalt pewter]

Only calamitas brew is mentioned in changelogs it seems

[grim tusk]

It will be (sticky spikeballs about to become godlike op)

[small timber]

I think it was meant to be liquid but it sounds weird so they use water instead? I mean the effect is intended to trigger in all liquid

[grim tusk]

@dawn trellis no joke suggs

Also wulfrum slimes dont exist anymore normally (only available via cheat)

They will eventually delete em or give em a purpose

Just like with brimstone key

Or astragledon slime

[hollow shell]

@wintry cedar I am late but are you sure your Phantasmal Spheres suggestion isn't a bug?

Also @fresh stone You forgot to specify what you mean by "skins". Right now the suggestion does not make any sense

(also your reason needs to be stronger than "it would be cool")

[cobalt pewter]

As it hasn't already

(it shreds everything that moves until late phm)

[fresh stone]

thats definetly better

[cobalt pewter]

AS is still is

Brimmy's got a change in .002

She should be similar to AS now I think

[half sage]

yea brimmy is now post 1 mech since cores don't need titanium forge anymore

so cryo->mech->AS/brimmy->other 2 mechs in terms of availability now

[cobalt pewter]

Yea

[wintry cedar]

All 4 of us saw them as pitch black

I can get a pic if needed

Was pitch black with a sparkly blue around it but like... moonlords projectiles are the same color and i literally could not see em

[hollow shell]

Multiplayer

That explains it

Yeah, get a pic

[wintry cedar]

Sure, I'll have my friend get on with me in a short bit, he's just doing something atm

[hollow shell]

👍

[small timber]

If Ares keep moving it will probably be extremely disorienting considering you need to pay attention to all 4 of his arms at once (especially during 2/3 mech phases), so from practical stand point it is better to keep Ares completely static even though it is not the best way to enjoy the sprite

The sprite can still be visible during his "rotating laser" phase so it is fine

[austere ibex]

ight, I see thanks

[winter lotus]

i see where the mans coming from but personally i just need to ask why

[torn crown]

Idk some people are rather "sensitive" with words like that

It's kinda hard to understand if you use them a lot frequently or on a regular basis but they do have a point

Ig it's gonna fall into whether the devs deems it as sensitive enough to be pulled out

[ruby plover]

I am completely fine with the suggestion, but I doubt that enough people will vote for it

[torn crown]

Yeah same

well, that's pretty much the case for every sugg until they stop being drowned on but you get my point

[ruby plover]

Indeed

[glossy stone]

This one's far fetched tbh.

[torn crown]

Recent sugg?

[cobalt pewter]

The language on this sugg is a bit annoying, but otherwise I don't see the issue

[keen zealot]

@simple stump hate to break it to you but everyone uses the scarf because it pretty much is outright better than the shield in every way, unless you really like the attack, which has very few genuine uses and a lot of downsides

[cobalt pewter]

Scarf is better?

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[torn crown]

AtTeiull

[glossy stone]

No I meant the earrape one

[torn crown]

ah that one

[safe oasis]

@prisma mortar the main problem with that would be the fact that those channels are pretty hard to moderate, especially once you start adding even more language options

[prisma mortar]

but they could try

[small timber]

i think they tried

[torn crown]

Isn't that a "Don't"?

[small timber]

ya a Don't

[torn crown]

It's in the pins

Wait no

Just at the top of #suggestions-posting

[prisma mortar]

sad

[safe oasis]

well it's in the pins too byeah

[prisma mortar]

I will have to continue writing in another language to communicate

[silver silo]

I always wonder what thats like, as someone who has only ever spoken the one language

I have no understanding of the concept firsthand

[small timber]

@viscid parcel being too specific might violate some Don't, try not to be too specific, but instead "you can make it like this, but just an example this is the idea I came out with..."

[viscid parcel]

"he should have a new attack that fir..." this part here?

[small timber]

mainly that the way you phrase the suggestion (no insult intended), is basically that "hey I come out with this cool idea and my suggestion is for you to do exactly this"

even if you dont mean it, that is how suggestion works

[viscid parcel]

right

thanks

[small timber]

although giving idea is definitely accepted (if I remember correctly), just don't put it as the main body, just as an "example of how you can do it", basically to give devs more freedom

[viscid parcel]

yep

[grim tusk]

Yea that sugg is invalid

[cobalt pewter]

A bit specific no?

And I am not sure what the goal is aside from

"ooh it looks cool"

[grim tusk]

@prisma mortar read the rules on info about that

And iirc there was something on the suggs doc

Yep

Its a dont

• Adding channels for other languages.
  Reason: While this would be nice to have in theory to allow more people to participate efficiently in Calamity discussion, it would unfortunately be quite difficult for our moderators to moderate considering their typical lack of knowledge of multiple languages. Even if a few mods were bilingual in the chosen languages, the mod force would be significantly decreased in those channels and it would potentially cause more stress on the team as a whole. If you do not speak English fluently, you are going to need to use Google Translate or some other tool to assist you.

And i just scrolled up to see they told you already, great

[prisma mortar]

well I'll just have to write like that

Now it turns out that if I ask if they can make a channel to post memes they will say no because it is also difficult to moderate

[grim tusk]

Ah yes offtopic

The horror

[grim tusk]

@lament phoenix that is a mod conflict with blockswap (from 1.4) mod

Those things go to #bugs-read-pins and also dont use blockswap (from 1.4)

[lament phoenix]

Ah, thank you, I did not know

[grim tusk]

Use the simpler named blockswap

As it aint as buggy

[lament phoenix]

Oh wait, I thought it said "Bugs Posting" or something like that

I misread

Sorry again

[prisma mortar]

"No excessive memeing
A meme every now and then is allowed, but don't overdo it."

I mean, on any channel I can put a meme to complement a conversation?

[grim tusk]

Unless its #general-media and any channel below it

And vcs also are not meme channels despite memes occasionally being posted in em

[prisma mortar]

epic

[stable crane]

Also the meme need to be on topic

[exotic stag]

Jack are you on malice? cause that might be why

[stark ledge]

No revengence

[fossil finch]

I never had this problem so skill issue ig

[dapper coral]

oh yeah this happens sometimes

AD just sorta leaves for a while, to the point where the music starts to fade, and then he just zooms back at lightning speed

you can probably dodge it if you have your map open but its kinda cringe nonetheless

[stark ledge]

Ig but he kept doing it many times

It’s either a bug or unbalanced

[ashen warren]

is shield dashing but having debuffs intentional or just bad coding?

ive noticed that and also core of the blood god's cooldown going off after a successful shield dash

[tardy smelt]

owo

[exotic stag]

no self vote. yes

[tardy smelt]

I have decency

:3

[dense ferry]

Perforators are completely fine

[small tusk]

Idk they seem too difficult for so early on

[dense ferry]

You can literally dodge the dash by going one platform down, and the blobs aren't an issue if you have a decent arena. The worms aren't that hard either, with a piercing weapon they die fairly quickly, even more with Adrenaline or Rage

The bullet hell can be a problem, yes, but they can be dodged fairly easily by using a Mobility Centered build and using a Sandstorm jump

[small tusk]

my main issue is the dash, it is done almost at all times and it's not like you can repeatedly go down platforms

[dense ferry]

You can, actually, just go down and jump with Sandstorm right after

[small tusk]

yeah I know it's just hard to manage avoiding the bullet hell along with that

[tardy smelt]

hey ho

difficulty is subjective

its been a while since I've done perfs but "pls nerf boss X" is not gonna cut it

like

dunno what exactly is screwing you up, but ask around if other people struggle with that

and if they do

zoom in and focus only on that aspect and give the devs a clear indication of how they should adjust that aspect of the fight

[small tusk]

that's my issue with the fight, is that there is so many aspects that there isn't much you can focus on, because everything just makes everything else harder, and nerfing any of its main attacks is good enough to make it more managable

mainly the bullet hell and dash are the aspect that should be changed

[tardy smelt]

I'd suggest replaying it

[crude geode]

Perfs are now much more of a fight in comparison to Hive Mind

[tardy smelt]

just to see what stands out in terms of what you struggle on

I might try them too, actually now I think about it

I'm on that tier anyway, I just have a corruption world instead of a crimson one but that's an easy fix (e.g. just clentaminate my HM arena)

[crude geode]

Like Hive Mind has it’s own form of nonsense with it’s minions + the rain it summons.

@steel knoll Evasion Scarf is a dono item. That’s kind of the reason it isn’t in malice mode

[steel knoll]

It wasn’t before actually it was a hard mode upgrade to counter scarf. Not even a dono tag.

[exotic stag]

it didnt have the donor tag added to it. thats why

[crude geode]

^^^^^

[exotic stag]

some items had donor tag. some didnt. but a way to check is to go on the wiki like this

[steel knoll]

How recent was that screenshot?

[exotic stag]

[steel knoll]

The wiki is updated as we speak

[crude geode]

You still need permission for this suggestion as we speak.

[exotic stag]

yes

^^^^

and no. wikis only being updated to like add the changes or adding new pages (I.e malice)

[crude geode]

Regardless of the dono tag being on evasion scarf in game

[exotic stag]

yeah also dono tags were added onto later. just like challenge tags.

[crude geode]

also this suggestion is like 3 different things in one

[exotic stag]

(also yes there is a reason to play rev over death. its called not wanting weather effects. just answering that bottom bit)

[crude geode]

and wanting a easier experience

[exotic stag]

p much yeah

[distant gyro]

it was always a donator item when it was added and was shown through the dark red rarity

[crude geode]

^^^

[distant gyro]

now it's in a form of a tooltip tag

[exotic stag]

^^^

dono tags werent added until 1.5 i think

only legendary items had dono tags

not dono tags but tags itself.

now malice drops and donor items have tags.

[crude geode]

unique rarity meant an item was dedicated in some way

[exotic stag]

^

some items had flashing rarities or deep red.

[crude geode]

but beside the point

[steel knoll]

Donor items have been locked behind modes before. Ehh whatever I’ll still advocate for it in my own little way.

[crude geode]

You still need permission

from the dono to make the suggestion

[distant gyro]

they can't be behind death mode

they couldn't have

[exotic stag]

no they couldnt be

[distant gyro]

malice is on the same boat

[exotic stag]

malice would make that just be like "donor gets less appreciation"

[distant gyro]

death mode is reserved for special dev items

[exotic stag]

(or when the dev asks. on rare occasions)

[distant gyro]

malice is reserved for cdrops

[steel knoll]

It’s a useful item that saves lives. I never once implied making it a useable accessible item would mean we don’t honour the donor. It’s my favourite item in calamity of course I appreciate the donor

Fixed a typo

[exotic stag]

(saves lives? most people drop it for valor instead but like ehh)

[steel knoll]

I don’t it gives valuable I frames

[crude geode]

You still haven't gotten permission from the donor to change the item.

[exotic stag]

so does valor..?

[exotic stag]

true

and i mean even so. you'd have to nerf ES

a lot

to make it like not op since its a hardmode item in phm

[steel knoll]

Not what I was saying.

[exotic stag]

which means if you just like grab ES by y'know just quickly doing malice eye right now. you can just breeze thru phm

[crude geode]

Also this suggestion is implying death and revengeance should be merged in some way which is just nonsensical.

[grim tusk]

Why are there so many suggs that are just skill issue

[grim tusk]

And with latest yes

[steel knoll]

Just give me a reason to like revengance again

[exotic stag]

either skill issue or "please just change this back to being original because its too hard or doesnt work >:<"

[steel knoll]

Oh great must I do the spiel

[grim tusk]

@north stone Specific Item Suggestions are a dont, specially with reasoning such as that one (at least its better than most)

[fossil finch]

If you wanna play death instead of rev play death instead of rev

[exotic stag]

its easier then death. more simple. its the natural mode for calamity. literally all i can say

[exotic stag]

or this yeah

[fossil finch]

You don't have to like rev over death

[exotic stag]

you dont GOTTA play rev. just do what you wanna do

[dapper coral]

@north stone okay so you're not wrong necessarily but the sort of intent behind exo drops/scal drops is that scal does the mage/summoner stuff and draedon does the other stuff because yknow scal is a witch with magic

[exotic stag]

people play rev cause its easier. people play death because they like challenges

[dapper coral]

not saying its not a salveageable suggestion but just keep that in mind ig

[fossil finch]

Exolotl instead

Better concept than optic staff 3

Clearly

[exotic stag]

yes

(and if your wondering why he said optic staff 3. clonemitas had a summon item that was also optic staff)

[grim tusk]

(Exolotol was a how to not make a sugg by me #suggestions-discussion message )

[steel knoll]

Thanks Demik also I like scarf because one stylish. Two useful.

[exotic stag]

(yeah but you have valor which grants iframes too..)

[dapper coral]

what are you thanking me for

lol

[north stone]

Oh- I didn’t realize the exo-mech drops were all meant to be focused on physical type damage, y’know, I just thought it’d make sense because you can obtain a summon weapon from the twins

[dapper coral]

yea

thats why i said you're not necessarily wrong because like that is a thing that exists

[steel knoll]

The fact that more development to this idea might make it better for all.

[exotic stag]

which idea.

[dapper coral]

its just a different kind of idea for drops this time around

[grim tusk]

Maybe it could be made more towards adding a craftable exo summon rather than a drop

[exotic stag]

This. cause then you'd have to leave the twin exo's for last

and that gets annoying

[grim tusk]

And exo twins last are :desolage:

[exotic stag]

they are literally just hage

[dapper coral]

also do we really have to berate people by calling their suggestions "skill issue"
if you dont like it then don't star it

there's one thing if the reasoning is invalid but just saying "haha skill issue" and brushing it off is pretty rude and unhelpful

[steel knoll]

Exactly

[grim tusk]

True sorry for that

[dapper coral]

like, sorry that other players aren't as good as you and are confused as to why the drop that they've been used to using for years is now locked behind an extremely difficult mode

[steel knoll]

I want actual criticism so I can polish the idea. Not just “skill issue.” Over and over.

[grim tusk]

Rev originally was intended to be a difficulty above expert

Not expert mode 2

[steel knoll]

Yeah

[grim tusk]

Having the items removed returns it to that state

Also many items lost are replace able by many existing items

Such as SoC over Scarf

Or life jelly over crown jewel