suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

Shit

@surreal drum Your sugg images didn't go through properly, only one of the two images got migrated over

[ruby plover]

is there not a way to edit the bot message?

[hollow shell]

There is no way.

[ruby plover]

ah...

[hollow shell]

Hang on, lemme put this...

Move Purified gel's inventory sprite a bit so it's amount won't cover it

As you can see at the screenshots (1st one is the picture in boss checklist, the 2nd is inventory), the amount of purified gel covers the most of it's sprite. Imo it should be changed by moving the sprite a bit

there

Sugg deleted

You can repost it whenever you want, Goose. But I guess edit the two images together so it's only one file

And @ashen warren, if you're willing, you could look into this
How the suggbot handles multiple images in a single message (as Discord desktop has recently allowed for)

[ashen warren]

wdym

[hollow shell]

Someone's suggestion had two images attached, but the bot only sent over one

(I deleted it from voting)

[ashen warren]

ah

i thought it did have that capability, prolly getting mixed up with another bot, i'll look at it in a bit

[hollow shell]

It's a pretty specific case, not many suggs have images at all nowadays, let alone two
But it could still be good to resolve if there is indeed an issue

[surreal drum]

K, thank you

[grim tusk]

Final Dawn, WrathWing, Eclipse’s fall, Plasma grenades (on thanathos)

And thats good dps on exos were you expecting the old dmg values?

Try using stealth

#suggestions-posting message that will make summoner get a big dps boost wouldnt it?

[distant gyro]

yes it absolutely will

[sage mulch]

so what do you guys think

[grim tusk]

Feels like a lack of reasoning and SIS but not too bad to get into those 2 categories

[small tusk]

Any feedback on the sugg

[grim tusk]

Not just malice, but in general

Fuck BoC telefrags

[sage mulch]

I feel like brain was always bare underwhelming so I don't feel like changing it would be a good idea

[small tusk]

try death malice

[sage mulch]

yeah finally makes the fight meaningful

[small tusk]

Brain now gets faster as more creepers are killed, does defense damage, and teleports way more frequently

its just rng now hoping you get good teleports

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516928309058076672/901312542255747122/telefrag2.mp4 before 1.5 but this still happens, heck way more frequently (Andromeda hitbox doesnt matter, check dmg numbers)

[small tusk]

Near 30 tries I haven't even killed all the creepers yet

[sage mulch]

@stark ledge I love that suggestion

more customisability is always welcome imo

[gray nebula]

not rly no

[grim tusk]

@stark ledge revert changes sugg aka invalid

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rrm84T19rwV5ws3L59FzHt6uzKQGM49Zdrj2OvMj38I/edit?usp=sharing read this

[gray nebula]

because then if we introduce moer post ml content wed need to also introduce an equivalent "op config" version

and balance the op content as well as the normal stuff

way too much effort to upkeep that

especially if the reason is just "big numbers are cool"

[grim tusk]

Reminds me of what something a dude said on Fargo’s server

Like bosses got nerfed and so did weapons

It should be the same thing

But easier to manage

And be compatible with other mods

[small timber]

just want to have some insight, is the armor pen on lucky super op in the beta? wanted to suggest something that can (probably slightly) buff menacing and lucky since glass cannon build had been relatively tame, at least from what I heard

[stark ledge]

Ok that makes sense, I can see how it would be difficult with all of this content plus the newer content to be buffed or nerfed depending on player preference

[sage mulch]

So is my sug gonna get considered at all?

[small timber]

safe to say not gonna happen at all

[fossil finch]

I mean maybe they add wacky magic gun somewhere but like

Lol

[grim tusk]

Was, guess why RtN got nerfed so hard :lo:

[small timber]

i mean rtn go from 100 to 15, proportionally it was ignore defense to barely scrapping it

[small tusk]

brain needs a nerf

Like bruh

[karmic stone]

are you on malice mode or

[deft yew]

honestly i feel like BoC could generally use a lot of rework for rev+

[small tusk]

yes that's malice with post BoC gear

[grim tusk]

Try sending a non malice clip

[small tusk]

ight gimme a sec

that's a regular death mode BoC

The tps are still annoying but managable

Malice just stacks everything on Brain so it's impossible

high speed, high dmg, high defense dmg, close teleports

[small timber]

if you are not doing malice ideally don't take it out of biome, enraged is quite not accurate representation

for death mode clip at least

[karmic stone]

read malice's description

[small tusk]

did I enrage it?

i thought I kept in biome?

[small timber]

probably 100% on enrage, that don't look like regular death mode behaviour

in malice biome don't matter since they are angry anyway

unless I confused it with the tamed underground version, but probably is biome enrage

[small tusk]

my entire arena is in crimson thats wierd

[small timber]

ok then probably just above ground, since for some reason BoC get slightly enraged on ground

[small tusk]

oh ok

[fossil finch]

If your bar is red the boss is enraged

Also, remember you can take bosses out of their biomes in malice

Cuz they're already enraged

[dapper coral]

wait do you really need to do that

that is kinda frustrating

[exotic stag]

yeah you do.

[dapper coral]

[rotund tree]

[exotic stag]

probably overlooked thing

[dapper coral]

ye

[exotic stag]

byeah you do

[cobalt pewter]

Alternate recipes would be cool

[exotic stag]

and its for both aswell, so yes sugg is actually correct

[cobalt pewter]

Or rather, recipe groups

For the godslayer and silva body and leg pieces

[grim tusk]

How could it be called?

Any cosmilite leggings?

[dapper coral]

i dont think it would be worth a recipe group

just have 2 separate recipes

[cobalt pewter]

That is up to the devs

[grim tusk]

That works too

[dapper coral]

its not like there's very many options

[cobalt pewter]

Idk

[hollow shell]

@stark ledge Completely infeasible. That would be asking us to double the amount of balancing we need to do for post-ML.

also @small tusk You should prolly edit your title to say Brain of Cthulhu instead of just Brain
cuz, "Malice Brain" sounds confusing when Malice's item/icon is a brain

[exotic stag]

mm myes i love an item teleporting.

[languid quartz]

suggestions to revert update changes aren't allowed iirc

[glossy stone]

Oh wow, my 2 suggestions actually made it into #suggestions-voting ?

[languid quartz]

unless asking for a config is a bypass

[hollow shell]

Only for Death

er uh

You cannot ask for Death configs

but technically you can ask for other config reverts

Even though this one is pretty weak

[grim tusk]

The only thing i’d like to ask for dmode is to revert torrential tear

[hollow shell]

Oh its gone

[grim tusk]

Specially cuz its pointless, just turn of death, use tear then turn death on

[small tusk]

There

[hollow shell]

Thanks Reaper

[small tusk]

No prob

[terse sundial]

Oops that's actually an oversight

[hardy dock]

Is Silva’s crafting recipe still a mess

Byeah I’m a little surprised it wasn’t changed before release

[terse sundial]

@rotund tree Auric chestpieces and leggings not having two recipes is an oversight. I can fix that later tonight

[rotund tree]

[crude bone]

Forgot to repost that last night after splitting my suggestions

[hollow shell]

Looks good
Though I was expecting to see one last bit of reasoning at the end to explain why your proposed change would fit the problem you explained

ig it can be inferred considering lines like "So part of the set is kinda inhibiting when you could be having say straight up extra magic Dmg. or Mana increase"

also, giving Forbidden a new set bonus is hopefully not part of your definition of "easy", cuz that'd actually be kind of a big deal

[crude bone]

oh no, lol I just meant creating two helm varients would be the easy part, I know actually balancing stats and creating a whole new set bonus isnt : P

[earnest raptor]

what about just making forbidden crap reduce summoner penalty?

[crude bone]

That might be even harder but idk

[half sage]

doesn't the forbidden armor already reduce the penalty to 25%

[hollow shell]

It won't. We already do it with Fearmonger armor.

[crude bone]

ah fair enough

[crude bone]

So when you say this, is it hard implement a new set bonus? or is the coming up with what a new set bonus should be?

[hollow shell]

Overriding a vanilla set bonus isn't really something that we do
We occasionally add onto existing set bonuses, particularly early-game when they're just like +2 defense

But even Forbidden Circlet, the helmet we already add for Rogue for Forbidden Armor, still keeps the storm set bonus

[earnest raptor]

I guess there is a limits for how much effort suggestions should take?

[hollow shell]

I do not know exactly how much effort it would be

[crude bone]

ah okay, I guess it makes sense, I was gonna propose something like "Being attacked releases 3 mini sand tornados (Could be the Fishron summoning staff tornados just retextured) that home onto the attacker and deals small dmg over time (10s or so) with a 20-30s cooldown before it can activate again"

But if you guys leave vanilla setbonuses alone for the most part is all good

[earnest raptor]

that's kinda sissy

[crude bone]

eh?

[earnest raptor]

specific item suggestion

[hollow shell]

(You can't just break out the word "sissy" on someone who doesn't have years of experience being here)

[crude bone]

Yeah I dont get what he's saying lmao

[hollow shell]

He's saying that if you included that proposal in your suggestion, it would get shot down for being overly-specific

[crude bone]

ah okay makes sense

[crystal otter]

am i the only one that has an issue that the rage bar overlaps with item 0?

[fossil finch]

You can move it

Go to calamity mod configs

There's sliders and an option to be able move it yourself with the mouse

[crude bone]

You can move it by unlocking meter positions in mod config, then dragging to where you want (Though not the type of question for this channel)

[crude bone]

Alright I changed it up a bit, It should be pretty good now I hope

[hollow shell]

Yes that looks good

Thank you for humoring me/us

[crude bone]

lol np thankyou for listening to my dumb ideas and giving me advice to improve them

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell banish

Not gonna even bother with this

[hollow shell]

@rapid perch Bad.

[rapid perch]

bro its a good idea

[novel belfry]

this is the first time I have to say that a suggestion, serious or a joke, genuinely sucks

Bad.

[cobalt pewter]

@crude bone hmm, have you considered the Forbidden Circlet? Though tbf it's a donor item

[hollow shell]

You're not the first person to do this kind of joke "but bro its a real suggestion its a good idea"
and you won't be the last

[cobalt pewter]

Because the rework idea would mold well into Circlet, with it being rogue focused

(though the reason circlet existed at all was because crabbar did a funny summon/rogue)

[novel belfry]

yeah i was gonna mention that

[terse sundial]

@rotund tree you can delete your suggestion about having two recipes, I implemented it for .002

[rotund tree]

aight, thanks

[hollow shell]

nice

[torn crown]

'ery nice

[crude bone]

poggers

[ashen warren]

question does calamity have any sort of like "biome monoliths" that turns the surrounding to the respective biome of said monolith
im asking before making a suggestion

[unique vector]

no

[ashen warren]

has that been done before by anyone though?

[torn crown]

Fargo's mutant has fountains that can function as biome-changers

As for suggestions regarding it, idk

[deft yew]

huh, that's weird

[exotic stag]

yeah i saw that in #bugs-read-pins and was like "yeah thats strange. ima go sugg it to be fixed now ig"

[hollow shell]

That is not a good course of action

[frail mantle]

bugs and oversights don't really need to go in suggestions

[hollow shell]

If it's in the bugs channel, its already been reported

[frail mantle]

if they did, they'd need to go through the whole suggestions system just to get fixed

better to just report them in bugs and let the devs handle it straight away

[exotic stag]

eh aight then

[hollow shell]

#help-advice-read-pins

[tender crater]

shit i'm sorry, i have no idea how i ended up here

[hollow shell]

It's alright

[sand umbra]

hello suggestion discussions channel

[hollow shell]

Hello

[frail mantle]

thomas existence

[sand umbra]

wanted to pitch somethin' here before tossin' it in suggs directly: is there a reason Seafood still takes a Hardmode anvil (or is even Hardmode-locked in the first place)?
because to me, it seems pretty inconsistent as to when you get it now --- you now need to kill a Mech in order to craft Seafood, but only in the context of the early Hardmode rework --- if you turn that off, it's not locked behind a Mech and so you can freely summon AS whenever

[hollow shell]

That can be said about a lot of items, though

You're not supposed to turn the rework on and off

[deft yew]

why not just add souls to the recipe

[sand umbra]

...that wasn't what I was tryin' to get at, but okay

[deft yew]

a bunch of recipes fix themselves by doing so

[dapper coral]

i think thomas is saying, if you didnt play with the rework period

[hollow shell]

seemed weird to bring that up then

[dapper coral]

maybe?

[sand umbra]

...I probably should've asked if there's a reason for it bein' Hardmode-locked in the first place before that, now that I think of it

anyway, Seafood
only craftable w/ a Hardmode workstation despite the fact that it takes nothin' but pre-Hardmode materials and summons a boss which can already be "summoned" at any time through waitin' long enough at the Sulphurous Sea (generally goes faster with spawn rate increases i.e. Battle Potions and/or Zerg Potions and/or Water Candles)

is there any particular reason why it's locked to Hardmode aside from the boss bein' intended to be fought in Hardmode (which, if you ask me, falls apart as a point in favor of it the moment you realize there are more prominent skips that are allowed despite havin' more substantial reasons to not be a thing)?

because if there isn't I kinda wanna toss out a sugg to make Seafood craftable earlier on

[hollow shell]

byeah sure you could make a suggestion about putting it earlier

AS of all bosses is one of the biggest candidates

cuz of the natural spawn

[sand umbra]

ye

[hollow shell]

(Also, if you're unaware, a good evidence to bolster your argument would be the fact that we made Exotic Pheromones and therefore Jungle Dragon Egg accessible pre-ML)

[torn crown]

Wait what

[sand umbra]

(...so you did)

[hollow shell]

(It requires Solar Fragments, but not Luminite or anything after it. Both crafted at Ancient Manipulator )

[sand umbra]

aaand there we go

[hollow shell]

Very good suggestion

It is relieving to see a Thomas suggestion after the big wave of ❗s I've had to apply

[half sage]

this also makes it accessible pre mechs with the hm changes

which is also good

[sand umbra]

I was originally gonna bring it up in the sugg, but decided against it, as I realized it didn't really contribute anything to the point I was tryin' to make

[half sage]

ye, the main thing is the ability to spawn it phm

[sand umbra]

ye

[half sage]

just sayin that the pre mech thing is a nice little side effect

so you can do mechs and mech alts in any order with the exception of brimmy, who needs mythril for the charred ore

[gray nebula]

nonlinearty

:explosion

i feel like its fine that the summoning item is harmode locked

[hollow shell]

But he has a natural spawn in PreHM

[gray nebula]

ok?

[hollow shell]

And we made Yharon accessible before Moon Lord

[gray nebula]

? yeah

[hollow shell]

Why would we put our foot down with AS?

[gray nebula]

why not

quirky zany nonlinearity is cute and all but the boss is intended to be fought in hm

[hollow shell]

Yeah and he will still be intended to be fought in Hardmode

[gray nebula]

theres a kinda sneaky way to fight it in prehm which is nice but the fact that you can only reliably summon it in hm helps that

[fossil finch]

Add a hm pre mechs material to the recipe i think

That'd help maybe??

[gray nebula]

i like the fact that to break progression you need to actually use alternative methods

its not just haha litterally the same thing but accessible earlier

[half sage]

maybe add a disclaimer to the summon like cosmic worm has when sentinels aren't defeated

[gray nebula]

it actually feels like ur using some alternate unintended path and makes you feel smarter

[half sage]

so that phm people don't see summon item craftable with phm things and think "ooh phm boss"

[deft yew]

HOLD UP exotic pheromones are pre-ml now?

[half sage]

yep

[deft yew]

which leads to yhar har

folks we have the next prehm LevAna on our hands

[fossil finch]

Thats why i think an early hm material in seafood's recipes is the best option here
even though it does throw the point of phmode as summon

[half sage]

who's the madlad who's gonna get a pre ML yharim's crystal

[deft yew]

but that's malice yhar har

[fossil finch]

Someone will

Do not worry

[half sage]

inb4 JFL finds an afk strat

[sand umbra]

...what alternative methods

[half sage]

the natural spawn

[gray nebula]

yeap

it feels unintended is what im sayin

you feel smart for 1 : realizing you can exploit the natural spawn for a phm fight 2 : managing to defeat it

its like a cool speedrun strat

[torn crown]

Calamity implementing exploitation design

[gray nebula]

i have no idea why the summon item should be made into a prehm craft, and if you respond "nonlinearity" i have no idea why thats a good thing always

with all these nonlinearity changes youre gonna end up with scal being accessible pre ks for no reason but nonlinearity in itself

[hollow shell]

(We almost did do that by making the Future Bosses' summons craftable in PreHM)

(But you know how that ended)

[gray nebula]

ofc thats just my opinion bla bla youre free to disagree bla bla but yeah im jus sayin

[hollow shell]

Yep you're totally right Spark

That tooltip is just blatantly incorrect

[deft yew]

i wasn't aware it got changed lol

[torn crown]

Oversight?

[hollow shell]

yeah

[sleek wadi]

Must've changed a long time ago, I remember using this thing for destroyer like a year back and it exploded on hit still

[sand umbra]

if it's been that long and still hasn't been fixed
honestly that just shows how little it's used because on-kill effects aren't that useful in Terraria

which, hilariously enough, only further proves your point

[sleek wadi]

Its gonna see even less use because the thing you used brimlance for was killing Destroyer, which you'd have to save for last due to early HM changes. Still fucks up skeleprime but its main use case is not quite there anymore

[half sage]

imo AS spawner being available phm is nice, but it should get a disclaimer so phm players don't see phm summon with phm materials and think phm boss (also one should be on dragonfolly and yharon, tho yharon is pretty well known as a post ML boss and is locked behind dragonfolly still)

[hollow shell]

@daring igloo That sounds like a bug/oversight

Better to report in #bugs-read-pins, also including which minion(s) you were using

[golden kayak]

I can't do Brimmy as my 1st HM boss now?

That's disgusting

[daring igloo]

Alright

[hollow shell]

@outer crane That was actually kinda the point

[outer crane]

oh damn it

ill remove it then

[hollow shell]

SCal at the moment has a disproportionate amount of summon and magic weps, especially if you take Exhumed weps into account

[half sage]

yea, they're the same tier, scal is meant to be better for summoners and mages, draedon supposed to be better for other classes

[hollow shell]

and Draedon leans toward Ranged/Melee/Rogue

[outer crane]

thanks for pointing it out

good point

[half sage]

since scal is a mage and all

[outer crane]

just annoyed draedon does not drop anything for summon/mage i guess

but good point

[hollow shell]

I understand why it'd be confusing cuz no other bosses have such a divide
But we thought that it would fit for these two

[outer crane]

ah kk

but at least give ashes more items to craft with

exo prism have such

i know there is a cal npc

but ashes have literally one use

okay 2

[hollow shell]

Yes Cal NPC is the balancing factor for Draedon giving you the Exo weps

cuz Cal NPC can affect any and all weapons

with her enchants

[outer crane]

yea

and for some reason i just got rec porn on yt

sorry for being annoying

[hollow shell]

You didn't need to say that

[torn crown]

I just realized

[outer crane]

oh im not apologizing for that

i want you to suffer

[half sage]

[outer crane]

suffering is fun

sometimes

im not a machochist tho

and this is getting weird

[hollow shell]

Markiplier joke

[outer crane]

im only 17 god

wait what

[torn crown]

None of the suggestions ever since the star req update has reached the said threshol

[outer crane]

what are you implying there

[torn crown]

Not even the former 200 star req

[torn crown]

They increased the star requirement for the sugg to be sent to the dev server, they've shown sone analytics regarding the amount of stars most sugg's get and it has shown a higher passing rate than intense

Also (probably) because draedon update bringing in an influx of people

[hollow shell]

Yeah, we had no way of knowing whether the increased server activity would increase the average amount of stars or decrease the average amount of stars
Because there are more people active in the server to vote on suggestions
But there are also more suggestions, which results in drowning

We predicted that the stars would increase, hence the big jump

But atm, drowning is winning out

I'll give it like
a month or two
for it to settle, and see if the req needs re-adjustment

[outer crane]

was talking to rover not you

[torn crown]

Current sugg's gonna drown

[torn crown]

not rover but I'm pretty sure they were referring to the running gag of 'Markiplier' denying to be a masochist but still does masochistic things

[fossil finch]

current suggs drowning may be actually good

[languid quartz]

specific item suggestions are no

@whole zinc check the don'ts doc in pins

[whole zinc]

oh, woops sorry

[languid quartz]

[languid quartz]

[hollow shell]

@cosmic bluff 1. you need to add a reason to your suggestions that is separated from your main idea using Shift+Enter
2. we would rather not tempt memes about that, that'd be very annoying

So uh, no.

[cosmic bluff]

sorry

let's pretend this never happened

[distant gyro]

explosion loses a lot of meaning sometimes

for reference ||eye of night|| has an explosion in the tooltip too and also explodes

but the explosion is 10x10 pixels

and it's not accompanied by any sound

[hollow shell]

And I know a few explosions in the mod are entirely aesthetic

Or act as a secondary hit to only the struck target, with no AoE

[deft yew]

mantis claws

[dapper coral]

yeah i was gonna say

i made a sugg about mantis claws a long time ago because i was pissed by the fact that the explosions did nothing and yet they were listed in the tooltip

[exotic stag]

uh your not meant to craft challenge drops correct..?

cause if so you can craft cryophobia

(or at least it says it)

(infact im going to check rn)

[languid quartz]

[cobalt pewter]

Isn't that fargone

[exotic stag]

i dont have fargos enabled.

[cobalt pewter]

I mean from the looks of it it's totally a mutant recipe

Rare item + solidifier + mob banner

[exotic stag]

probably just recipe browser then. cause i dont even have fargos at all in my mods. let alone activated

(by that i mean its not in the mods zone)

eh i didnt even want cryophobia anyway. so i just wanted to point it out

[radiant meadow]

it's not a calamity recipe

@sleek wadi fixed brimlance tooltip

Will be "Creates brimstone explosions on enemy hits"

[sleek wadi]

[radiant meadow]

instead of whatever it was 5 seconds ago

[sleek wadi]

So should I take the sugg down?

[radiant meadow]

ye you can

It's something I would consider a bug/oversight because it was misleading and wrong

also the aerospec helmet summoner tooltip thing was done earlier today, so that is completed

[hollow shell]

Can't you see what mod adds what recipe by hovering over it

[exotic stag]

aint that only for like. putting an item in to check its recipes

[hollow shell]

Do it anyway?

[exotic stag]

byeah its just probably an oversight though. not really too important

[small timber]

does Which Mod Is This From still works?

probably can use that to check for it

[exotic stag]

if it is fargos then its probably an accident (although not sure why my recipe browser being like that)

[hollow shell]

Swag I am trying to tell you that Calamity has never had any recipes like that

alright

@sweet lark What??

Name examples of bosses that do this

[small timber]

I can help confirm that cryophobia have no recipe on my end, with only calamity at least

[sweet lark]

gimme sec

[grim tusk]

Fargo’s has a recipe for many RIVs

But i guess they’ll change it maybe

[grim tusk]

This is fargos’s doing

@sweet lark Theres 2 literal mage specific armors, brimflame and prismatic, and besides it has all of the vanilla stuff
And afaik the only boss without a mage drop are exo mechs, and well most vanilla ones (but most unlock mage stuff), also theres 2 mage exo weapons unlocked after exo mechs so what gives

[hollow shell]

In Calamity I do see instances of bosses dropping only 1 mage weapon with other classes getting more, but that's balanced out by some bosses dropping 2 mage weps while other classes getting the shaft in those instances
It depends on the boss

[grim tusk]

Calamitas for example only has 2 mage drops and 3 ranger drops (1 from herself, 2 from brothers), 1 rogue drop (from brothers), 1 summoner drop and one melee drop

And despite that rogue unlocks solar veils

And every class get stuff on the abyss

(Although why are solar veils only used for rogue stuff at that point, thank fuck they have a resource sink in penumbra potions, a near must use on stealth)

[ruby plover]

calamitas brother drops crushsaw crasher (rogue)

[grim tusk]

Oh right

Dude why is forbiden now being praised since the rework when before it was overlooked cuz of titanium and daedalus

And people are forgetting that early hm ore armor balancing aint done yet

I think the solution could just be making em take cobalt or mythril instead
And for frost too cuz consistency
But i see no other point than just providing it early

[hollow shell]

Well it was just the one user praising Forbidden

@scenic pivot https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Chaos_Candle

[small timber]

although isnt calamity not really too inclined on changing vanilla recipe (particularly tier shift)? so the better option is probably just make Frost and Forbidden trade defensive for offensive power (which is what they currently are trying do anyway compare to titanium)

[hollow shell]

@alpine scarab There is a setting to let you move the bars

in the config

[alpine scarab]

What button

[hollow shell]

"Meter Position Lock"

(or similar)

[alpine scarab]

Ok let me find it

[hollow shell]

Should be near the top

[alpine scarab]

Thanks

[rustic wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-drone-in-the-danger-zone-yroue-gif-22600859

[olive token]

i feel like malice mode is strange

like i want a mode harder than death, but malice is not designed for that its designed for boss rematches

so idk if i can play a whole play though with malice on like i expect most veterans wanted to do

feels weird to me

[languid quartz]

malice isn't intended as a playthrough difficulty yeah

some will still try but it's incredibly difficult

[olive token]

yea feels like lost potential really wanted it to be playable start to finish hope they nerf it

thats my hot take suggestion

felt like alot of people hopped on malice wanting to complete it me included and hit a wall.

[languid quartz]

the thing is it was never designed to be completed that way

so it's unlikely to receive any nerfs besides maybe some specific bosses

[olive token]

ok, thinking about trying death mode malice mode with friends seeing what we can do to it

hope we can get a true higher difficulty in the future

or at least a playable malice mode

there's no incentive to rematch bosses other than collecting the challenge items that are already close to outdated and weak by the time you are able to beat them.

[languid quartz]

I think the idea is that the items are powerful enough that they'd work for when you rematch them, and fighting them on-tier is rewarding because you get such a powerful item

[hollow shell]

Malice is indeed supposed to be a challenge that you decide you want to take on within a normal playthrough for a boss at a time

Your first fight against a boss in any given playthrough really should not be its Malice version

If you have ever played Hollow Knight
s'like fighting Failed Champion before False Knight

[languid quartz]

that's a good analogy

[ruby plover]

yea, was thinking that too

[golden kayak]

Failed champ is scary earlygame

[olive token]

there's is an extreme dopamine high when you beat a boss to unlock progression, rematching bosses a tier or 2 up just doesn't help

if it takes 30 attempts

at least for me

[golden kayak]

Having gear 1 tier higher (e. g. you try a Malice version of a boss you just beat) will probably make any given boss actually fun instead of rage and suffering material for a lot of people

2 tier higher sounds reasonable too

Or you fight Malice Crab before Death Weaver because Transformer for example

[languid quartz]

well for example getting shield of cthulhu makes malice EoC 200% easier

[golden kayak]

Oh yea definitely
Malice EoC true melee without a dash was borderline unfun at the beginning

[languid quartz]

true melee :desolate

[golden kayak]

I can kill KS and DS now

[olive token]

as a death mode only player, there is no incentive to take 5 or 6 attempts to beat a hard boss only to turn around, waste more potions fighting the same boss 40 more times for a challenge drop, its just not fun.

[golden kayak]

If you fight it 2 tiers above, it might still pose a challenge difficult enough not to breeze through it but it's not going to be 40 attempts difficult either

And some of the drops are going to have some value even if you are 2 tiers above

[olive token]

with the 1st attempt there is a hard cap to the items you can use, because you cant progress past that boss, but on the 2nd attempt, there's not set rules, you get to make up the fight on your own terms when ever you want.

thats what makes it a challenge, the inability to progress past it

whats the point of malice mode if i can progress as much as i want before i fight it

thats y a boss rematch mode makes no since from a design stand point

[golden kayak]

This is prob my last message on the topic

[olive token]

yea, and its too hard to accomplish the 1st of those intentions

[safe oasis]

i wonder why

[olive token]

exo mech malice was impossible on launch

more like unfair

extremely challenging is supposed to be playable

[keen zealot]

how long have you been playing calamity for?

just in general

[olive token]

i saw someone put 50 tries into desert scourge max on tier and a fallen star hit it for a 3rd of its health and killed it

ruined his play though lmao

[keen zealot]

who was that someone?

[olive token]

https://youtu.be/DPNJoRr_A_k?t=1363

just some play though i found

[grim tusk]

While Malice is not intended for playthroughs, Radium is deciding to take on this brutal challenge regardless!

[olive token]

yea good on him

@keen zealot 3 and a half years

[safe oasis]

how is this relevant though

[olive token]

you know they way he was able to beat the desert scourge is pure bs, no way its realistically feasible for some one to accomplish this run

[keen zealot]

which is kind of the point

[grim tusk]

You just proved the argument you were against

[keen zealot]

pretty sure it got its name for being maliciously hard

[olive token]

it "should" be possible right

is it extremely challenging or just impossible

[small timber]

malice will probably be changed (at least adjusted) in the future, seeing how they changed death mode from just a number bloat to giving its on mechanics challenge

just probably not anytime soon

[hollow shell]

Malice will definitely not be given any world effects like Death got

Malice is boss-exclusive like Arma

[grim tusk]

Yes but it will be absolute bullshit
Yea you can stomp your head against a brick wall, the wall will eventually fall… but at what cost? (Your time and sanity)

Also malice death exo mechs are likely impossible

[small timber]

well thats' for sure, but I mean boss-wise

[olive token]

il stop complaining when someone or i complete a run

[hollow shell]

Also yeah Radium's problem is that he tried to make his first kill on DS be Malice

[small timber]

you probably can beat everything on malice playthrough except draedon (which is probably way overtuned), just not gonna be exactly fun

[cobalt pewter]

Having the modulus between 100% and seeking mechanism charge cost be 0 would be good yes

More charge efficiency

[hollow shell]

(oh hey Shucks)

[cobalt pewter]

Personally I find the charge cost of seeking mechanisms a bit egregious, so 10% should be way better

[olive token]

its "intended to be extremely challenging for experienced players to do on tier" it should be a do able thing

[hollow shell]

You could argue whether or not you are "experienced" with it if it is your first time doing the Malice version of the fight

[lost agate]

Hi

[grim tusk]

I tried malice exos after like 200 attempts on regular death exo mechs which i have gotten very close to killing

I got fucked hard by exo twins in like 30 seconds

[olive token]

its not his problem that he did his 1st kill on Malice, its that hes supposed too, its hard

[cobalt pewter]

Seeking mechanism is a good addition, and a bit out of topic, where do these mechanisms point to exactly?

Like within respective labs

[grim tusk]

Yep

[hollow shell]

There isn't a player-visible point where it seeks too iirc

[grim tusk]

I think they point at the core of the lab

[hollow shell]

It's the technical center of the lab

[cobalt pewter]

Ahhh okok

Would be genuinely interesting if there are receiver furniture that works as beacons for these seeking mechanisms, and you can use these receivers somewhere else if you picked the receiver off

Would be good for if someone wants to make an adventure map or something

[hollow shell]

hmmmmmmmm

[olive token]

is each boss beatable on tier? death malice, idk the extent of playtesting on that sorta thing, i saw the scal death malice playtest

i think that was on teir

[grim tusk]

Yes but do you know how many attempts they did?

Yea you can throw your head against a brick wall, the wall will eventually fall… but at what cost? (Your time and sanity)

[olive token]

lol

il stop complaining when someone actually completes this "extremely challenging" totally not impossible mode. so fun.

[hollow shell]

(I don't know how many times we need to tell you that Malice is not designed to be played like Rev and Death, it encourages refights, not first kills)

[hollow shell]

(If you have a problem with how the tooltip is worded, make a suggestion about it)

[river glen]

malice is not intended to be easy for on tier bosses

[torn crown]

Yeah they are tested to be beatable on tier

It's just,pain

[river glen]

sure.... and ill wait how long it takes for people to understand malice is not meant to be fought with on tier gear

people just do self imposed challanges like malice only

for the sake of it

[stable wedge]

trying to make a suggestion, any problems with it?

Despawn Boss Minions and projectiles after the boss has been defeated

Exactly what the title says. It's annoying to get hit or sometimes even get killed by things such as Desert Scourge's Desert Nuisances/Dried Seekers, Crabulon's Crab-Shrooms, or Old Duke's Sulphurous Sharkrons and homing tooth projectiles when you're just trying to manage the loot you obtained or currently farming the boss and needing to wait until every projectile dissipates

[torn crown]

So far I've heard of people that are now as far as golem

[torn crown]

That's pretty frequently sugg'd but go ahead ig

[stable wedge]

oh yeah mb, haven't checked the suggestion channels yet

[torn crown]

Though tbh I haven't seen any counter-argument against this sugg

And yet it's unimplemented

[sleek wadi]

Is there anything in the tooltip for malice that it is intended for rematch? That could be helpful to include

[torn crown]

Nothing

There was a sugg about that

But it drowned

[sleek wadi]

Ah damn

[torn crown]

Now that I think about it maybe we should hold off the sugg until most of the people has experienced the game

[stable wedge]

yea damn I should've checked the sugg channels first

[torn crown]

Not all of them but sure ig

[torn crown]

Anyway the thing here is that there won't be much people that has seen the new content for them to make judgement over the sugg; either that or they aren't biting for spoilers
(See: Exo Mech balance suggs)

[brisk bramble]

You can use Luiafk's fast spawn command

Instantly despanws the bosses

[torn crown]

I use it and it just despawns the boss

Not the projectiles

[brisk bramble]

Still better

[torn crown]

Yeah but that's not the issue at hand; that would be of another qol aspect

[hollow shell]

(crap, I'm late)
But uh yeah do not worry about making suggestions that people have already made. It's actually kinda encouraged, we have a system for it. Especially don't worry about suggestions from several years ago, the devs would have long-forgotten about them

[stable wedge]

oh ok, ty

[hollow shell]

Yep this looks like a fine sugg

[half sage]

[torn crown]

Would the Reactive DR mechanic get a rework of sorts in the future?

[hollow idol]

@tacit vine passive HotE is a Cal Vanity thing
You could probably salvage the suggestion though by suggesting for HotE to work in vanity slots without Cal Vanity

[torn crown]

Maybe we can make it into a universal suggestion about summoning acc's passively working in vanity slots?

[earnest raptor]

that would be pretty ech effort sugg

[hollow idol]

not really

[earnest raptor]

because you would need to reprogram all accessory minions to not attack anyone while being vanity

[hollow idol]

all it would take is either a simple check in the code to see if the player has said accessory in a vanity slot before attacking OR making the passive version a different projectile

(Current minion accessories are: HotE + components, Mutant Truffle, Fungal Clump, ||Cryo Stone||, ||Daawnlight||, and Profaned Soul duo)

[stable wedge]

isn't it trio

[hollow idol]

crystal and artifact

[hardy dock]

#suggestions-voting message
Hm yes just conveniently ignore the big red text that says specifically not to do that

[fossil finch]

People do that

So the sugg has a point

[hardy dock]

At that point it’s on them honestly

[small timber]

although the suggestion will disable the opportunity for a true malice playthrough (though highly not recommended), so I like the big read warn text that it is not intended for playthrough instead

[fossil finch]

Yeah but we design stuff anti-stupid people for a reason

[small timber]

or they can make the default malice item do that and make a "true malice" item craftable at demon altar which also apply to first fight of the bosses

[earnest raptor]

reverse psychology makes this red text worthless

[hardy dock]

H-how

[earnest raptor]

if you tell man to not do something

[small timber]

the red text also don't do their job, it means "You should be hardcore Terrarian expert to beat Malice on-tier" instead of "DO NOT DO THIS FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR SANITY"

[earnest raptor]

man will do it just to spite you

[hardy dock]

It also says you need to know the boss extremely well

[small timber]

how good a player think themselves are is subjective, and people who fight malice on-tier and complain do not comprehend that concept well

[hardy dock]

I never thought I’d say this but

Skill issue

[earnest raptor]

I don't... think than balance suggs are allowed

[cobalt pewter]

I think it was a hard no because 1.5 is coming

But I think the default consesus is that you need to back yourself up with stats

Such as DPS and killtime

[gray nebula]

😭 i mean an indicator that indicates stuff only when you go too far kinda sucks

plus its kinda counterintuitive to have something that sets you on fire make the screen dark

i feel like you should just ask for a better indicator

[boreal jackal]

@surreal elm That is already a thing in the configs I believe

[surreal elm]

oh really

[boreal jackal]

Believe so, I just closed out of game though so gimme a second and I'll check

Yea, you just go to Mod Configurations --> Calamity Mod (No Calamity Music) --> UI Changes and it should be the top 2

[surreal elm]

hmm alright

i could maybe change my sug then to make it togglable through the in game menu in that case? or should i just delete it

[boreal jackal]

Up to you

I'd say there really isn't a need for another way of toggling it when there is already a pretty easy way of doing so though

[surreal elm]

yeah my thoughts excatly

[hearty yew]

give me more sprites and I will add numerous laser cannons 🙃

aetherflux cannon is my favorite thing I've ever programmed

[fossil finch]

Checked

@snow slate cool sugg but what if we make amidias do instead
And you'll probably say "well amidias is a little bit later in the game" but lets be honest that doesn't matter
I think it'd be poggers if guide was vanilla guide and amidias calamity guide
Specially in 1.4 where guide gets real

(Just saying

[ripe owl]

Darkness effect is generally the best indicator

Like yeah sure you can add flames that cover your whole screen but wouldn't that be even more disturbin' than darkness?

[cobalt pewter]

It would be disturbing.

[small timber]

i think the idea is just that the darkness make it even harder to dodge projectile when you are already in a bad position

[cobalt pewter]

I have brain damage

But in any case

[ripe owl]

Like I mentioned, "in some degree"

Maybe just half of the original opacity

It already would be a warning

@twilit quail that ain't how suggestions work

[twilit quail]

what

[ripe owl]

First of all, construction

[twilit quail]

oh

[small timber]

see every suggestion above your post

[ripe owl]

Second of all, arguments

[twilit quail]

ok i deleted it

[ripe owl]

Third of all, you have the internet to look up stuff you forgor 💀

[twilit quail]

yes

[small timber]

and I think the suggestion very likely will get rejected, since the astral worm (I assume is DoG) basically removing like 15/20% of its max hp in phase 2 is a huge nerf without testing

[twilit quail]

ok i rember, its astrum deus

nah its astrum deus

[ripe owl]

astral

The Devourer of Gods that once literally consumed Astrum Deus because idk bruh he is a god of stars

[twilit quail]

theres always a bigger worm

or longer worm

[small timber]

for some reason i associated the word "astral worm" with "cosmic worm", either way it is very hard for balance suggestion like these to get through without putting very convincing numbers, that such balance change it needed

[ripe owl]

Imagine not knowing about Astrum Deus, the only worm based off of astral biome

[ashen warren]

what do you guys think of heart lanterns that could be placed on top of platforms as opposed to below a block?

[full pivot]

campfire

[daring igloo]

what

[ashen warren]

bruh

[torn crown]

Cirrus' candles exist

[grim tusk]

@tacit vine thats a Calamity’s vanities feature, go suggest on that server

[cobalt pewter]

I think yuh talked to them about it earlier

Like the potential of making such features in cal

But it didn't go far

[grim tusk]

@viscid notch from what testers said, rtn was really busted when nerfed to 30, also when making suggestions about stats you should not give specific numbers, not only would it save you from potentially breaking “too specific” rules but also to give your suggestion a higher chance to be accepted by the devs and the community

Idk why AS summon is locked behind mythril anvil despite it having a chance to spawn naturally even in pre-hm and outside dmode

[cobalt pewter]

a

Opinion but still

I am not sure if they have a solid reason on making AS post 1 mech and Brimmy post 2 mechs

[gray nebula]

nah im saying like

make an indicator thats here BEFORE you go out of hte zone

instead of something thats just a more easy to see debuff icon

like some ring or effect where everything outside is visibly brighter and hotter

[grim tusk]

@steep shuttle too specific

[fossil finch]

Also no

[gray nebula]

also abt that recent suggestion i think that auric should just not have as hard of a "well its just the previous armor sets but together haaha" gimmick

[fossil finch]

Revives suck

[gray nebula]

[grim tusk]

Also GS dash is miles better lmao

[fossil finch]

True

Byeah revives suck

[grim tusk]

GS dash requires skill and aint braindead so its fine, unlike the crutch that was GS revive

This sugg can be boiled down to
“I suck without my revive, bring it back”
Although the wall of text is something better than other suggs of this type

[torn crown]

Pretty sure the revives getting gutted was an intentional thing

Right?

[grim tusk]

Yes

@daring igloo doesnt malice has text on that already, the highlighted red text on the item? (You can leave your sugg but explain why that red text aint enough or at least aknowledge that red text)

[daring igloo]

I think the text just says it's extremely hard on tier

It would be more clear if it was something about bosses not being designed to be fought in tier

[torn crown]

Nop, there's 2 lines

[grim tusk]

At least acknowledge that the text is there, the rest of the sugg is fine

[daring igloo]

Yeah but it's basically that

[torn crown]

The red tooltip says:

• it's extremely hard
• prepare as much as possible
• you need to learn the boss inside out to best it on-tier

[daring igloo]

Yeah

It says nothing about not being intended for runs even tho it isn't

[grim tusk]

Yep mention that on your sugg

[torn crown]

I think we can emphasize "on-tier"

Since it looks a bit too subtle

[grim tusk]

That how the red text aint enough

[daring igloo]

It just wouldn't be hard to change it so it says malice bosses aren't necessarily designed to be fought on tier

Since it's not meant for full playthroughs

[grim tusk]

Exactly, mention that on your suggestion

[daring igloo]

Sure

[hollow shell]

(technically you are breaking the 2-suggestions-per-day rule, Campfire, but one of them is ❗ anyway)

also
@ripe owl People did not like the darkness shader, there were suggestions to get rid of it because it crippled your visibility. Your sugg would be more well-received if you asked to make the new fire effect more visible, rather than returning something that was removed for a reason

[grim tusk]

^

@hardy dock she is meant to be hard, the crutch that revives were made her easy

[hardy dock]

Damage isn’t a substitute for difficulty, it just makes her annoying to fight

[grim tusk]

She is supposed to punish hard

Dodge

Learn her attacks

Run warding on stuff

Learn when to use GS dash
Etc

[fading cipher]

the idea of scal is that she is a super difficult bullet hell that you are supposed to dodge as much as possible, if you cant dodge her then idk play normal mode or smth

[hollow shell]

You could include the kind of damage that she deals in your suggestion

the level

Basically I'm saying to state that she deals like 600 damage with every attack in Expert+

though
Exo Mechs do too

(by the way Atom there does exist the successor to the GS revive
Nebulous Core has a guaranteed cooldown revive now)

[midnight folio]

Hive mind felt like a little bit of a letdown in malice mode, so I though that taking away the slow down would make it feel a bit better

[deft yew]

Speaking of hive mind, is it me or can the minions get overwhelming in the tiny space a Corruption usually gives you?

[midnight folio]

I've never had an issue with the minions tbh

Then again jester arrows go brr

[hollow shell]

Sugg's a little weird, considering it focuses on buffing one of its attacks

[midnight folio]

Yeah honestly I could change the title

I don't think anything really needs to be changed except for that though/I'm not creative

But it would make the boss fight a lot better without the slowdown

[midnight folio]

Is that a better title?

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's better

[midnight folio]

Yeah I think that'd be all it needs to make it up to perf level tbh

[deft yew]

Assuming it does the charge as soon as it stops, it could just be made to decelerate a lot faster

Instead of not slowing at all, which would probably make it extremely hard to tell where it’s going

[midnight folio]

Well it'll always go into you

And the hive mind always lunges when it's full opacity

[deft yew]

I guess you would just memorize how long it circles for and then get into position as fast as you can?

[midnight folio]

So you just have to keep an eye on when it's about to be full in the circle

Or wait

[deft yew]

Ngl rev hive mind feels a little lax, but its minions feel like too much

Dank creepers are half of that problem

Also I noticed that hive mind now summons dank eyes around itself in second phase? I actually love that!

[midnight folio]

So there's spin lunges

And semi circle

[deft yew]

And flyover when it summons storm clouds

[midnight folio]

I'm not too sure what the difference is between spin lunges and semi circle

Unless the spin lunge is referring to the expert mode attack?

[deft yew]

Yes

Semicircle is when it teleports under you, blocks your movement, and summons devourer + EoS + dark heart

[midnight folio]

Okay

So yeah those are totally readable

Cause the spin lunge is opacity based

And the semi circle will always be above you

Because it starts from below

[deft yew]

Plus you know which side it’ll do semicircle on

It always goes on the side you’re moving towards

[midnight folio]

I'll just add in general hive mind should be faster

At the very end

[deft yew]

Also dank creepers could use a nerf or tweak of some sort

They’re REALLY irritating

[midnight folio]

Honestly I've never had an issue with them

I think that is more of a player by player thing

[deft yew]

Or weapon by weapon

Then again I was spamming on a stealth build

[hollow shell]

@small tusk #suggestions-posting message

[small tusk]

oh wow

imma just delete then ig

[hollow shell]

That suggestion does not mention Calamitas or Plantera, but you could ask him to add them

@cobalt pewter

[small tusk]

Ravager, PBG, Astrum Aureus, Solar Eclipse, Great Sand Shark, Plantera, Calamitas, Brimstone Elemental and Aquatic scourge all are uncraftable pre Mech

[fossil finch]

Well uh

You can't possibly summon frost or pumpkin pre mech anyways
Unless you also change their recipes

[small timber]

most of them are fine except for plantera if calamity wanted to enforce their idea of non-linear progression

[small tusk]

oh ya gimme a sec

[fossil finch]

Rav and pbg are also a whole lot later so i don't think they need to be crafteable at an anvil either

Plantera may be ok ig?

[small timber]

plantera is a big deal for calamity since they explicitly wanted plantera to be fightable pre-mech, now you cannot do it

except for death mode autospawn maybe? didnt check spawn requirement

[fossil finch]

You can

[small tusk]

I've played through all bosses to cultist before mechs last update, it's super fun and should be allowed to do

[fossil finch]

Bulbs still spawn

[small timber]

oh ok, then it is fine

so only brimstone i guess

[fossil finch]

I don't think making every fucking hardmode boss accesible pre one mech is a good idea honestly

[small timber]

it definitely is not really a good idea, just that calamity really wanted to enforce non-linear progression that there is even explicitly don't against it, but now they are locked behind mechs

[dense ferry]

Make Yharon accessible before Mechs :moai:

[fossil finch]

They're locked behind one mech you have to do anyways

(You need to kill at least one mech to get late game stuff for the moons
Well, all 3 now that hallowed is post the 3
Low% is dead as hell and that does remove some non linearity ig

[small tusk]

well technically... can you?

[fossil finch]

You need bars of life

For that you need at least 2

Er, at least 1

(For rav kill

[hollow shell]

Personally disagree with this Ares sugg

Yes the laser has counterplay but it's also one factor among so many that you'll be dealing with in the fight

(s'like a FNAF game, each enemy is easily dealt with but all together they are brutal)

Buffing it just in Ares's solo phase could be fine, given that.

[small timber]

ya it is mainly just the solo phase, since Ares feel weak in solo right now (though still a big headache when combining with others)

I think I will just address that, since whether the suggestion is based on solo or all phase make a huge different

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[snow slate]

TBH Amidias already has a utility because he gaves you the bubble
But also a good point on 1.4 it's quite useful to new players, but at the same time I think that there are some important mechanics that new players need to know before, like the 50% less summon damage

[ripe owl]

I mentioned as an example to make it slightly transparent because yes, that is annoying when you can't see anything, but that is more annoying when you can't see what you need to

[hollow shell]

Okay but why not make the suggestion be to make the flame more visible

[ripe owl]

Hm

I don't know I just can't imagine in what way it can be "more visible"

[fair ledge]

I agree with your suggestion, I couldn't tell I was taking damage until I looked back at my player and saw loads of -1s above my head. I was so confused. I didn't even know there was a flame until I saw your sugg

[hollow shell]

Probably just like
making it bigger

or even more vivid/bright

[ripe owl]

I decided to change my suggestion

Theme is again "Leave the indicator that is here right now but add something to it"

[hollow shell]

Sure that is a fine suggestion

Though you could make it a bit clearer that the flames you're talking about are newly added in 1.5
since people might not know that they exist yet

[fair ledge]

Yeah that's a bit better than just a flame but I would still prefer the darkness came back

[hollow shell]

Baffling to hear. The darkness was really annoying

[fair ledge]

At least it was a clear way to tell the player they were doing something wrong

[ripe owl]

True

[stable wedge]

I hate the darkness but I agree with this

[ripe owl]

Damn, I imagine a sound of a burning fire getting louder and music fading away away and I like it way too much

[fair ledge]

Like, when I saw the darkness, my immediate thought was "oh shit, I need to get closer again"

[fair ledge]

That would be sick but you'd also need to take into account the people who play without audio

[ripe owl]

OH MY GOD YES

YES

Exactly

Darkness in form of a sound

Holy fuck I am a genius

[fair ledge]

What about a flame border around the screen to go along with it?

It would probably take time to make a flame animation but it would be cool

[lost agate]

Oh yeah did anyone have anything to say about my suggestion? Had to go sleep a lil after so idk if i missed anything

[indigo hawk]

Yes

[dapper coral]

i think there was just some general agreement

not too much was said

[lost agate]

Oh alright

[small ferry]

There should be a block that wraiths cant go through

that you can craft with bars or wtv

[hollow shell]

I don't know how easy that would be, but it would be nice

[torn crown]

#suggestions-voting message
I see my sugg did get a substantial amount of votes (compared to other suggs), but I don't think it'll reach enough votes to reach the new req before it gets drowned out if it hasn't already)

unless a lot of the voters are eager enough to scroll

also it's not yet halfway

maybe we can make a retrospective server sugg to lower the star req in light of some of the sugg's being drowned and the new star req being a big overshot?

then again that too would require votes to win

[viscid notch]

@grim tusk Wait a minute，how can RTN still be good if its extra damege is lower than 5% of post-PL weapons' basic damege.Even the minigun has 275 damage.

[grim tusk]

Rapid firing stuff

[dapper coral]

trust me when i say that the numbers being that low means nothing in practice

[grim tusk]

Such as sdfmg, seadragon, fetid emesis, light god’s brilliance, hyphothermia, etc

[dapper coral]

if you use it with the right weapon (a fast-firing one as stated above) anything higher than 15 or 20 AP absolutely demolishes

we're talking like, minute-faster killtimes

on a 5-minute killtime boss

its ridiculous

[grim tusk]

Venerated locket is similar but for rogue only (examples: eradicator, nanoblack, wrathwing, toxicant twister)

[viscid notch]

Limiting time on boss fight is ridiculous too.

[grim tusk]

Yes they know, specially vs worms

They will fix it (probably)

[dapper coral]

wdym limiting time

[grim tusk]

Reactive DR

[dapper coral]

oh that

uhhhh yeah i can't speak for that LMAO

[grim tusk]

Funny how destroyer becomes night providence lmao

Nohit server out of context

[torn crown]

[grim tusk]

Aqua confirmed in the spoiler chat that worms’s reactive dr is getting fixed so thats nice

[viscid notch]

But sdfmg and seadragon is not so good even with RTN when all the bosses have 50+ defense

[grim tusk]

Far better than before though

[viscid notch]

Okey

[torn crown]

Use the discord search function for #suggestions-voting

If you posted in #suggestions-posting but it never went in, you won't be able to see it again since it's deleted

[ruby plover]

I feel having a weapon that reflects projectiles would be just a tad powerful

Also consider that every single one of destroyers projectiles are lasers, so it’s threat would be minimal with high melee speed

[languid quartz]

this feels pretty specific

maybe broaden it out to something like give phasesabers a unique effect

maybe it could stay though? I'm unsure

@hollow shell hi suggestion deity

[torn crown]

doesn't look SIS-y to me

because of the reference they were conceived from

[ruby plover]

check the pins (suggestion "dont's" document), suggesting a new event is a don't

[silver silo]

the suggestion man ™️

[torn crown]

there's already a Yharim-kind of army invasion being planned

[grim tusk]

@sweet lark new events (specially if its Yharim’s army (of which a Draedon army would be technically)) are a dont

@glad tundra doesnt the summoner victide setbonus spawn an urchin on your head?

[glad tundra]

yes

but it also does the seashell

which is rather useless

[grim tusk]

Maybe sentries?

By recasting em

Do you shoot?

[glad tundra]

what do you mean?

[grim tusk]

Like if when casting a summon, do you fire shells?

[glad tundra]

yeah

only sometimes

but it isnt useful because summons stay after death now

[grim tusk]

Bruh moment

Yea that part should go

[gray nebula]

draed

ovb*

[languid quartz]

this is a known bug, and will be fixed in the hotfix coming up soon™️

@stark ledge

[stark ledge]

Ok good

[languid quartz]

[stark ledge]

It was taking away from the summoner experience

[languid quartz]

fair enough

[stark ledge]

Thank god I crafted the plantation staff and it’s gone now

[ruby plover]

i was torn between whether my 1.5 playthrough was gonna be rogue or summoner... happy that i chose rogue lol

[river glen]

then why did u continue using it

"game ruining experience"
also them: uses it to beat all mech bosses

[torn crown]

how would you say that it was a game-ruining experience if you haven't tried it

[earnest raptor]

Funny fact.

Since update, there is no suggestion that reached enough stars to get sent on the server.

And only one suggestion that reaches old 200 star amount.

[torn crown]

I said that first

[glossy stone]

New star count is insanely high

[torn crown]

Rover said they'll tweak it after 1-2 months

so assuming that the voting frequencies stay the same, the current sugg's will be effectively suffocated

[hollow shell]

I do expect this new star req to actually be appropriate once the initial flood of suggestions dies down

It was a suitable amount before 1.5 released, and we expected the numbers to only grow larger

[torn crown]

If anything I'll just repost my sugg by then

[ripe owl]

Most of new summoner weapons are unreasonably busted as fuck

https://tenor.com/view/tf2conga-dancing-soldier-cool-gif-12740203

Me dancing my way through pre-hardmode with Deathstare

[earnest raptor]

well

summoner is now viable

I guess?

[frail mantle]

some of the new summoner weapons are bugged and not functioning properly*

deathstare is a hellish entity and is being fixed possibly, eye of night kinda funny and is also being fixed (nerfed)

[stable wedge]

where have I seen this before

ah yes 1.4

[cobalt pewter]

Aside from Terraprisma (which is intended to be so), I don't remember 1.4 vanilla summoner staffs being that broken

[short walrus]

Wh*ps

[cobalt pewter]

@small timber first off, it's "Eclipse Mirror", not "Abyssal Mirror"

Second off, I can see Elemental Quiver messing with point blank mechanic being good

Perhaps a unique effect that procs off point blank hits

[small timber]

ya mainly just some sort of effect unique to ranged, the accessory is basically only a stat stick now that projectile split is removed

also changed to Eclipse Mirror, for some reason Abyssal Mirror always stick with me

[cobalt pewter]

I personally would like to see a bit more focus with point blank, at least Ele Quiver could be a good start

Right now they only slapped point blank to most ranged weapons and left it there

No new or modified accs to account for point blank yet

[small timber]

it is an interesting effect that is very hard to execute and with not enough reward for its risk, so seeing Ele quiver buff it will be great

[torn crown]

Point-blank acc's

We will finally have True Ranger builds (true melee without the melee)

[small timber]

unironically point blank ranger is more melee than true melee log in a new character and swing a copper shortsword and that is the point blank range

[gray venture]

🤔

[stable wedge]

really? I felt like the point blank range was something like a stellar striker

[tardy smelt]

somewhere in between from what I've felt

[cobalt pewter]

It's still considerably small for ranger yea

[stable crane]

@warm dock but why that trees

only for the player say "a cyber tree epic"

and never use it

[tardy smelt]

also uh

[snow slate]

It doesn't remove the epic doe

[tardy smelt]

specific suggestions are a "don't"

[warm dock]

Is everything specific in suggestions that get in

[warm dock]

Cause it creates a purpose for a post first mech boss

[tardy smelt]

idk but always read #suggestions-posting message this

before posting a sugg

[stable crane]

but what purpose

existing

or just another tree

[loud cloak]

ehh cyber tree feels kind of useless

like what would be the point

[exotic stag]

why a tree though.

[warm dock]

I guess you guys got a point

[exotic stag]

(also you misspelt experiment)

[grim tusk]

More like dont get in

Your sugg is completely invalid (specific, no reasoning, pretty pointless)

Heres examples of suggestions to help people know how to make suggestions (please read doc tho):
Valid: ⭐
Add a new summoner exo weapon
Summoner at the moment has no exo options other than immaterializer, giving a new weapon to them would give them more to choose from and more variety rather than being restricted to immat.

Invalid: ❗
Exo L.O.T.L.
[sprite here]
Summons cyborg axolotls that rapidly fire multi-colored lasers from their mouths
Does 3000 dmg per laser
2 minion slots
20 mana per cast
Made with 1 Gastric blehers staff, 1 Tempest staff, 1 Sandshark staff, 1 Stardust dragon staff, 400 nanites, and 4 Miracle matter at Draedon's Forge
Why? It would be cool 😎

[exotic stag]

thats pretty much what they did

exo lotl

[tardy smelt]

Exo LOTL

I love that

lets get yuh to add that to calval

[exotic stag]

just like a mechanical axolotl head.

[tardy smelt]

with exo palette

[grim tusk]

Ender is way ahead of you

[tardy smelt]

tho granted this type of sugg would also be an uncertainty

Add a new summoner exo weapon
Summoner at the moment has no exo options other than immaterializer, giving a new weapon to them would give them more to choose from and more variety rather than being restricted to immat.
generally its best to steer clear from adding new items in my experience

[tardy smelt]

[grim tusk]

#753415306348593232 message

[tardy smelt]

[frozen hornet]

Hilarity

[sleek turret]

woah

[tardy smelt]

[exotic stag]

p e r f e c t

[hollow idol]

Exo L.O.T.L coming in 202X da hecc does lotl stand for

[torn crown]

Lord of the lings

[grim tusk]

Logical
Operating
Turret
Laser

[torn crown]

Axolotl with a turret laser

[frozen hornet]

Light Oscillating Tachyon Laser

genius

[exotic stag]

love of the lord.

[fair ledge]

Big fan of the sugg in voting that asks for less linearity with the mech alts

The non-linearity of the calamity Mod is what makes it so replayable

[hardy dock]

Requesting adding specific items is a Don’t isn’t it

@river oracle they’re not readding the LORDE

[river oracle]

Idk would be nice

[hardy dock]

Not really, it’s just a random ai spamming joke boss

It was removed for a reason

[ripe owl]

But uh um

There is that thing...

The uh

I forgot the name let me check

Cosmic Immaterializer

stupid, it literally is being mentioned in the sugg

[languid quartz]

@river oracle suggestions to re-add removed content aren’t allowed, especially for meme ones

See the doc in pins

[tardy smelt]

ehh?

[ripe owl]

Talking with myself

[tardy smelt]

uhh

k

[zenith hazel]

okay

@warm dock specific suggestions aren't allowed, read pins
@river oracle joke suggestions aren't allowed, read pins. dumb boss anyway, never coming back

[hardy dock]

at least not until 1.6

[warm dock]

No criticism?

[exotic stag]

brav just pinged you.

but i mean still

starfruit kinda falls under like another dont

[fossil finch]

Marisa on their way to be imploded from suggs

[hardy dock]

Specific item suggestions are a Don’t you were already told this

[unique reef]

Dang

[earnest raptor]

get suggestion nimwit*

[gray nebula]

based suggs. imo

[pulsar marlin]

Bruh these suggestions right now be like:
-New Items
-Stats: 99999 dmg
-Description: Bruh kills doodoo
Man, aren't they reading the suggestion rules?

[hazy wraith]

a few months ago i crafted scarlet devil and it had 180000 damage, idk if it was a bug or something, but it remembered me of that XD

[exotic stag]

nah SD is normally that strong but yeah it kinda reminds people of that

so they think "oh that means its fine to suggest things that are OP and stuff"

[hazy wraith]

new item last prism but it deals 100% of max health per hit XD