suggestions-discussion

[stable crane]

Or a little ad to that bar

When the boss enrage that bar Vibrates and fill up

In referemce to our bar

[grim tusk]

Doesnt it already flash already

[stable crane]

As i say

Many players

Or die even before they can enrage the boss

Because yharon hit hard

And never gonna see that

Or dont know what it do

[hollow shell]

🤔

Well it isn't just the bar that turns red, the boss's name also pulses with a red outline

I think it's a pretty solid enrage indicator

[stable crane]

Well yes

Then that sugg

Is

Obsolet?

[hollow shell]

Nah nah

Cuz the bar only converts once the boss enters their enraged state
It does not have any indication during the 5 seconds of being in the enragable area prior to the boss becoming fully angered

(However I do not know this for sure)

(I have not tested for myself)

[stable crane]

I haven't tested many bosses for the moment

Since there are many changes i want to test

And i dont have the pc at this. Moment

[hollow shell]

@river glen You could probably mention in the suggestion that the healthbar enrage indicator is a thing now, people may not know that it's a thing at max enrage

But (afaik) it does not have progressive increasing

[stable crane]

And if we add that like the same 200 or 250 people dont read this channels

Can be hard to discover

Unless you read the wiki 5 times per day

[woven plinth]

I'd think it would be the opposite though
acidwood trees, the only tree that can withstand the acidic environment, corresponding to a furniture aesthetic that is meant to evoke wood deteriorating in acid seems off

almost an oxymoron of design

[gray nebula]

idk if the tree rly withstand it given the wood inside still looks kinda yellowed and stuff

plus theres b ark around the acidwood trees, the planks themselves wouldnt have anything to protect them really

and it looks good :trolface emoji

[grim tusk]

Well Draedon doesnt need an icon since you aint actually fighting him, on my opinion it would distract the player and maybe overlap the mechs’s icons

[hollow shell]

Indeed, Draedon has no combat presence in the fight whatsoever

@fossil robin ^ Could use a bit more reason as to why he should have one
Also, wdym "aside from the exo mechs"? They have icons.

[fossil robin]

I couldn't find the words to explain why, ok?

[river glen]

gotcha

[exotic stag]

wait does planteras hooks show on map again? i actually forgot.

[hollow shell]

No

[exotic stag]

then im remembering wrong lmfao

cause i remember there being a boss icon that had the hooks or limbs or something show on the map but ig im going crazy again

[hollow shell]

Yeah that isn't ringing a bell

[hollow shell]

@spiral olive My guy this suggestion is way too specific

[spiral olive]

o we were talking about it in #calamity-update-talk so i just threw it over here my b

[river glen]

complete rework....

[spiral olive]

i can remove it ye

[river glen]

i mean... its awfully specific...

[languid quartz]

nin posts specific item sugg..,.,.,.,

[hollow shell]

byeah unless you think you can cut it down extremely to the point of losing the idea you came up with

[spiral olive]

this isnt too different from some suggs i used to make, i havent checked the guidelines recently

[hollow shell]

To just, rework Daedalus to no longer follow the 5-helmet archetype

[spiral olive]

i mean at that point its just mirroring what merk said so i'll let you guys decide in dev what to do with it since he brought it up

[hollow shell]

Merk can make this a dev Trello card..

[river glen]

lul

[spiral olive]

he was basically just wanting to make daedalus unique the same way reaver changed and i was spitballing ideas ye

im too used to suggesting stuff directly in dev my b

[hollow shell]

Yeah sadly things gotta work different out here in the public

[earnest raptor]

Reaver was changed?

No more funny rocket?

[hollow shell]

Reaver was indeed changed

I dunno if the rockets stayed or not but it no longer has class helmets

It has stat helmets

[earnest raptor]

[spiral olive]

should i delete it btw or does that get cleared automatically

[hollow shell]

Either one. If you aren't gonna rewrite it then you may as well delete now

(I will send this idea to the dev server tho I think)

[spiral olive]

ye i wont

i forgot to copy it so hopefully modnotifs yoinked it

[hollow shell]

@still minnow Your suggestion is overly specific and does not provide reasoning for its changes

Cool boss you used as an example though

Never seen that one before

[terse sundial]

ping me in dev about it, I'm going to bed

[hollow shell]

You saw it in dev

[grim tusk]

Ok more news on my sugg, theres supposed to be a sound queue for Ares's laser according to Aqua but seems bugged

[hollow shell]

Didn't you acknowledge the sound cue in your suggestion?

I'm pretty sure I can hear it in one of your clips, its just getting drowned out

[grim tusk]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513227386175619102/910713694445527100/vlc-record-2021-11-17-20h10m28s-2021-11-17_20-08-55.mp4-.mp4 ||

didnt hear anything

[hollow shell]

At the 1 second mark in the original Ares clip, the same moment Apollo shoots a blast

sound you're looking for is

(particularly the end of this sound)

[grim tusk]

second clip I can barely hear it, first and this third nothing

[hollow shell]

Can you do one where you don't fling yourself

Enable godmode or summin

[river glen]

YEET

[grim tusk]

after i have dinner but sure

[hollow shell]

Alright

[still minnow]

I have provided reasonings and improved it.

[hollow shell]

It's still way too specific

[still minnow]

how can i make it less specific?

[hollow shell]

In suggs like these you're not supposed to lay out the exact changes you want to see
You can provide them briefly as examples but they should not be the main meat of the suggestion

Suggestions should be mostly explaining a problem, something that should be changed

That way the devs have freedom with how they want to solve those problems

(and people voting on your suggestion will have their own ideas on how to solve those problems too, or even just acknowledging that they should be changed, rather than having to ponder your specific solutions and whether they think they are good ideas or not)

[small tusk]

is there any issues with my sugg i need to fix?

[hollow shell]

Your problem is only restricted to Death Mode, so you could add that to your top line
Or if you want it to happen in all modes, then your reasoning should be edited to take all modes into account rather than just Death

[small tusk]

ok

there

[hollow shell]

Alrighty thank you

(Though people would probably be inclined to disagree and say that that's the point, it's Death Mode and you're supposed to suffer)

[small tusk]

like dying alot is fine but when it gets to the point where you only live as long as your I frames last is a bit much early game

[grim tusk]

:tru:

5 nights is too generous

Make it 2

Or just the first

[small tusk]

3

[muted birch]

Yeah on the third night would be fine

You'd have grenades by then

And that makes Blood Moon basically free

[grim tusk]

Or a lava pit

[muted birch]

Or better yet dye trader since that man can solo blood moon

[small tusk]

yeah i legit just got first night blood mooned and all I had was wulfrum knives LMAO

[grim tusk]

From what i’ve heard knives are busted on stealth rn

~60 dmg per hit

[small tusk]

wulfrum knives are 10 if youre lucky

[muted birch]

Yeah that's just unlucky. I personally think that getting blood moon that early on crosses the threshold from incredibly difficult but fair to plain out annoying

[small tusk]

yeah it does

the best player in the world would still be unable to do anything

[muted birch]

Although it could probably be avoided by making a sealed off spawn area so that you won't get spawncamped

[grim tusk]

^ this

[small tusk]

yeah becuase being shelled off all night is so fun lol

[muted birch]

I do agree with your suggestion though

[muted birch]

You can use that time to mine

[small tusk]

doesn't blood moon affect all spawns though?

[muted birch]

I'm... not sure. I always thought it only affected surface

[small tusk]

let me check

[grim tusk]

All

[small tusk]

yeah so even mining ur just getting gangbanged by bats lol

[muted birch]

I mean you can still just mine downward without venturing into the caves just yet

Start on your hellevator

[muted birch]

Is that a Calamity change btw? Because I can't find a general consensus even about vanilla Terraria

[grim tusk]

Cal death mode

[muted birch]

Gotcha

[small tusk]

I wanna die, I just got a blood moon on first and second night, in a row

[buoyant idol]

@stark ledge

[small tusk]

this is why I made the sugg lmao

[buoyant idol]

Good suggestion

[hollow shell]

You need to provide reasoning and elaboration, Jackzilla

[keen zealot]

also we just nerfed yharon a lot

[hollow shell]

Technically.

But also technically not.

[keen zealot]

I see the changes as an overall nerf ignoring the massive rebalance even still

[grim tusk]

Buffed

Ph2 bhs are now a menace

[still minnow]

I added a disclaimer that these were only my ideas and others are free to suggest others, I also added the fact that many people in the modding community see calamity as a low effort mod and that this change will help to rectify that and make the mod more respected

[hollow shell]

Damn

Where have you been hanging out?

[fossil finch]

Everywhere else but here

Like it's hard to explain but the modding community is basically divided between this server (calamity enjoyers/people who have brains and can enjoy calamity while acknowledging its flaws) and outside of this server (people who dislike calamity or people who don't have brains and just hate on it)
Ofc this is the biggest generalization ever made in history and it isn't exactly accurate

Or accurate at all

It's just, there's a lot of people out there who downright hate calamity, and you don't have to go far to find them
You just don't see them here

Anyways uh

[hollow shell]

😔 Man

[fossil finch]

Making changes to please those circlejerks is a shit idea

They will just keep doing it

Oh calamity is balancing? Grrr they took 5 years calamity bad!!!!!!

Aew maybe could get some changes to be more fun, idk cuz i haven't fought him yet, byeah

The main example of aew bashing though is a vid posted in #general-media by a guy who basically insulted devs for it

[still minnow]

I know

[fossil finch]

(Someone else posted the vid in media

Yeah like I'm kinda indirectly telling rover this

[still minnow]

I am just suggesting changes to improve the mod as a whole and I am sick of those circlejerks.

[fossil finch]

Well you will keep being sick of them

They never change

[sleek wadi]

Not much calamity can do about the circlejerks

[fossil finch]

And if something is fixed, they grasp to the most minors of flaws or move to something else

[still minnow]

I know

[fossil finch]

Doing changes for the sake of shutting them up isn't a good idea

(Because they won't

[still minnow]

I was also just putting suggestions of attacks that I would like to see in a boss like the AEW

I was partially inspired by other mods and this mods weapons

Cuz these weapons are cool as hell

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell

[hollow shell]

Okay yeah it's really hard to notice in all of these clips and I am fairly confident as to why

.. s'cuz the sound originates from the laser cannon, and sounds in Terraria cannot move once they start playing. They play from wherever they were initiated.

[grim tusk]

[hollow shell]

So it will probably have to be changed to be a non-located sound, just play straight into the player's ears so they'll never be able to run away from it

which we already do for some things

[grim tusk]

also another thing:
Give Thanathos a resist to plasma grenades pls

literally on par with final dawn (which needs a nerf) vs dps on it

[stable crane]

[grim tusk]

and wrathwing maybe needs a buff

[glass sentinel]

yay we have already discovered broken items against exos

[silver silo]

I mean...the cannon aims down when its going to fire if that means anything

[grim tusk]

yes but what are you paying attention to: Small cannon or big lasers coming at you?

[silver silo]

its already a lot to pay attention to yeah

[hollow idol]

want to collect a bit of thoughts here first before making a suggestion
What do people think of the sound that plays once the Rage Meter fills up?
Me and a few others I know express that they thought their game audio was temporarily glitching the first times they heard it due to how buzzy it is.

[still minnow]

I went on a couple of servers and holy hell people find the AEW fight terrible

[hollow shell]

Hm

I mean it was just meant to be a bassy sound
s'not a particularly high-fidelity soundbyte

I suppose I could make a new one to fit in with the more complex rage activation theme, though I would prefer the meter-full sound stay simple and distinct

[small timber]

i mean when AEW is classified as Superboss (when scal get taken down from the tier), it will undoubtly set expectation

especially when it is supposed to be (even highier) tier than draedron and calamitas, if it is a mini-boss that will be different

[silver silo]

I wouldn't mind something based on the old one but updated

[small timber]

personally I think AEW should be slower paced but much more deadly, considering you are supposed to fight it in the bottom of abyss

[hollow shell]

(I mean you're not supposed to fight it at all, hence the difficulty)

[fossil robin]

It’s optional for a reason!

[stable crane]

wiki exo mechs

good sugg

[hollow idol]

it'll happen eventually

[hollow shell]

@bitter python my guy

[earnest raptor]

wait, what drops Jared does have in 1.5?

[hollow idol]

Halibut + normal wyrm drops

[hollow shell]

Only unique drop is Halibut Cannon

[earnest raptor]

soul edge, halibut and abyss wall?

and halibut doesn't drop from other enemies at all?

[hollow shell]

Yep, that is now its exclusive source.

[earnest raptor]

...rip but I digress

[safe oasis]

wait it still drops the post-polter stuff?

[hollow idol]

yes

[safe oasis]

odd

[hollow shell]

(I would like to emphasize that AEW was not a focus of this update, it was a thing Fab did mostly for fun)

(It barely came up in the dev server outside of its map icon needing a sprite)

[stable crane]

abbys update leak?

nah

maybe not

[hollow shell]

(All our efforts went into Exo Mechs and SCal rework and their drops and Enchanting and whatnot)

[stable crane]

good work

[silver silo]

hey rover is uh the eidolist planned for a resprite in the future at all

[bitter python]

What

[stable crane]

good sugg about exo mech wiki

[hollow shell]

You looked up the wiki in #suggestions-posting

[hollow shell]

Nope. Not that I am aware of.

[silver silo]

is a suggestion about it allowed?

[bitter python]

😱sorry I didn’t know don’t ban me plz

[hollow shell]

(If you're expecting them to become black like the wyrms,
just interpret their blue skin as an intermediate stage in the metamorphosis)

But yes you could suggest it

[fossil finch]

At iban

[hollow shell]

As long as you don't say that it's because the sprite sucks and that's it

[fossil finch]

Add aew to the doc please

🥺

[silver silo]

nah it doesnt suck at all its literally just because its based on the older aew

[fossil finch]

(Iban proceeds to not do it

[silver silo]

it'd be better to SEE relevance to the aew rather than interpreting right

[hollow shell]

Well they still got the 4 eyes and wormy body and shared attacks

(and shared soundbyte in their death sound)

[silver silo]

I mean why was the aew sprite changed to not be ghost lev

[safe oasis]

wormy body is debatable, i thought it was supposed to be a ghostly figure for a long time until i read the lore

[silver silo]

whatever reasoning it was, couldnt you apply that reasoning to the eidolists too

[hollow shell]

cept, Ghost Levis were never humanoid

er, part-humanoid

[silver silo]

define humanoid

because they look like baby ghost levis with a coat

to me

[hollow shell]

Eidolists still wear clothes and 'stand' upright

(and are much smaller)

[silver silo]

sure I guess

[hollow shell]

But yeah if you feel strongly about it then

yes

You can make a sugg

[silver silo]

you could always give them like tiny ass remnants of limbs for a resprite

like some sort of fucked up reverse tadpole

[hollow shell]

or a skink (evolutionarily)

[silver silo]

or that

just gonna

@gray nebula

honestly I just wanna know if its something the devs care enough about/want to put effort into

if AEW summons them and is getting attention (even if its a side thought) I guess it'd be nice to see

[gray nebula]

what

[silver silo]

I was asked to poke you

[gray nebula]

why

[silver silo]

eidolist resprite talk

[gray nebula]

no

my lawyers have advised me to nto develop this further

[silver silo]

😔

I can't believe he got lawyers

[earnest raptor]

when Iban doesn't redraw everything in his style!

ask his lawyers then

[silver silo]

I'd be put on hold indefinitely

anyways its cool if he doesnt want to, he needs a break anyways

sorry for ping

[gray nebula]

idrc about pings

its fine

just like for politeness's sake post the link to the start of the convo or develop why you pinged em

me

[silver silo]

I see will keep in mind ty

[glass sentinel]

(also in regards to the aew sugg i dont think you should be using a video from a guy who has no clue what he's talking about and is just personally insulting the devs without knowing anything)

[gray nebula]

also in regard to just that i think the video is completely silly because it fights the wyrm outside the 4th layer of the abyss where its enraged which makes for a very scuffed experieence

[silver silo]

and he has godmode

[hollow shell]

@kindred summit I appreciate the descriptive language

but, nah, that's a Don't

[kindred summit]

k

worth a shot, edible rocks sound funny

[radiant meadow]

I completed this btw (I consider this more of an oversight)
#suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

Epic

[kindred summit]

nice

[radiant meadow]

(except for the Bandit and Cirrus)

(Bandit doesn't accept discounts and Cirrus doesn't like the card)

[torn crown]

We've been scammed all along

[radiant meadow]

have no fear

some stuff does get discounts in the public version

like most of permafrost's and amidias' items

[torn crown]

I was about to point on Cirrus but I forgor that was an intentional thing

[kindred summit]

who's cirrus?

[torn crown]

Drunk princess npc

[kindred summit]

ah

[radiant meadow]

Cirrus just wants to price gouge you

[kindred summit]

cirrus more like citrus

haha

owned

[grim tusk]

@normal isle title and better reasoning (some more details would be handy)

And whatever rover will say

[hollow shell]

@normal isle You need to format your suggestion properly. Title at the top, separated reasoning below, Shift+Enter to do a line break separation

(I am starting to get a little exhausted
with all these sugg ❗s)

The reasoning is okay I think

But several other opinions would be welcome

from people who have also done the fight

[kindred summit]

yo, probably wouldn't fit into suggestions but i had this idea for a higher difficulty scal fight, what if the arena was split in 2 and there are small holes that allowed you to go to the other side without a ROD or its upgrades

[grim tusk]

Sounds bad

As if avoiding moons, sep, seekers and abyssals wasnt hard enough already

[kindred summit]

knew it, that's why i put it here

[fast viper]

yeah that'd probably the worst thing with moons

[hollow shell]

Thank you for putting it here at least :P

[kindred summit]

no exclamation mark needed

[ashen warren]

So suggestion idea:
Make DOG's phase 2 spawning portal last longer, because it disappears too quickly and he's just a buched up worm.

[small timber]

can also make it only work against bosses (and reset after not hitting bosses) but significantly reduced the time it take to stack to max, you don't really need the damage against normal mobs anyway

[glass burrow]

yeah thats good too if the boss is long

[small timber]

i mean you can stack it within 30 sec kind of timing (or even lower)

since the alternative is to stack it out of boss fight and enter with max stack

[glass burrow]

yeah but you need to do it every fail and also its kinda bad if you dc in a multiplayer game as i stated

[small timber]

basically to turn it into a boss specific combat buff

[glass burrow]

yes

[small timber]

oh sorry I was confused about the suggestion you posted because I didnt see it applied for bosses so I thought it will just be "let me hit this mob for 20 second before I enter a boss fight rather than 5 minutes"

[glass burrow]

well you can do that but if you dont crit constantly then its gonna be gone anyways

[small timber]

ya, what I proposed above was the stacking only work on bosses, but I guess it makes the accessory kind of weak against things like events

[glass burrow]

still the the rework is done is basicly f stealth bcs you need to use the weapon constantly for crits but if you do that then no stealth

but still , pre hm stealth strike is not rly strong

[small timber]

in general I dont think there is much stealth strike worth using until you have absurd stealth gen

[grim tusk]

That used to be the case until the rework, now its either have low gen but hit hard as fuck or good gen but not as strong (but more often ofc), both better than spam rogue

Also sticky spikeballs need a nerf lmao

[river glen]

i love all the ❗

[tardy smelt]

expected tbh

[safe oasis]

@ashen warren why are you making a sugg go through the whole approval process about this when you could just talk to a mod about it and wait for their answer

[small timber]

type it in calamity-mod-talk, literally

[ashen warren]

cuz someone told me to do it like that

💀

[small timber]

they trolled you, suggestion take at least 24 hours and 270+ votes for it to work at all

[distant gyro]

yeah draedon update talk just got its slowmode reduced

[tardy smelt]

uhh yeah just asking a mod would've been better lol

[ashen warren]

I mean the slowmode is painful enough for 270+ people to vote

[small timber]

you still have to wait 24 hours first

[ashen warren]

Also I don't want to bother a mod

[small timber]

i mean it will take a mod to reduce the slowmode

[tardy smelt]

^

[hollow shell]

You can keep the suggestion around, server suggestions are an allowed thing
But you need to format it properly @ashen warren
Look at the sugg above yours for reference

[ashen warren]

with the bold letters and stuff?

[hollow shell]

More importantly the top line being separated from the reasoning using a line break (Shift+Enter)

You can bold it too but it's optional

[ashen warren]

if i just type in "slow mode is painful" above it will be fine, then?

[tardy smelt]

nah

stick to the point

[small timber]

reduce slow mode timer

[ashen warren]

alr

[hollow shell]

Your current first sentence should be your topic, that'd be fine

[tardy smelt]

"reduce slowmode timer in #calamity-mod-talk"

[tardy smelt]

.

[ashen warren]

im just going to copy and paste it

[small timber]

should it go straight to voting? otherwise 24 hours pass and it probably will become irrelevant (if any mod change it)

[tardy smelt]

well meh

it'll go to voting in time

and otherwise no harm will be done

[ashen warren]

So it's fine now?

[small timber]

seems good

[ashen warren]

okay

[tardy smelt]

p much

[ashen warren]

thx a lot

[distant gyro]

honestly I think by the time it gets to the star mark it'll already be reduced (or gone entirely)

but it's valid

[hollow shell]

mhm

[unique vector]

@hollow shell are we accepting config suggestions

i thought those were generally not allowed

specifically referring to the tool/movement speed config suggestion

[hollow shell]

We accept them, yeah. The one that was specifically disallowed was Death Mode effects, because that was a controversial decision that everyone wanted to toggle

But we put our foot down and said Deal With It

No config suggs for Death Mode

[stable crane]

So we can sugg about config in rev-

But death+ no

Understand

[small timber]

particularly death mode modifier (like environmental effect and such)

[stable crane]

Yes

[unique vector]

death

[distant gyro]

Deathstare Rod seems like a pretty reasonable upgrade, not sure though

Frost Blossom does 10 damage but fires at double the rate

and that's a couple tiers below

[exotic stag]

i havent used deathstare. but i've been hearing stuff. is it like the feeder things? cause if so then thats perfectly fine rn

[distant gyro]

Sun Spirit does 12 damage and fires 20% faster but the resulting beam is Heat Ray, which pierces (in a straight line, but still pierces)

[languid quartz]

@toxic basalt you could probably cut out the opinion part and just focus on why it needs a buff

[hollow shell]

Eh

[distant gyro]

Deathstare is like Sun Spirit, but non-piercing and the beams target through walls

[hollow shell]

I think DaMeister's whole sugg is fine

[languid quartz]

Oh alright

Disregard then

[unique vector]

i was the one who told them to port it here yeah

[distant gyro]

(which is why I compared to the two, ofc)

[exotic stag]

oh then thats fine

[unique vector]

they were talking abt it in DUT

[hollow shell]

The exact number suggestions for the damage values are probably able to go, though

[exotic stag]

usually the sun spirit-esque staves are pretty meh. good to use when your summons have bad targetting and semi-good during fights. so i dont see the issue with deathstare. since its like a tank shell (while to reload but hits hard)

[cobalt pewter]

Good day for suggestions

Whoop, all ❗s

[languid quartz]

[cobalt pewter]

[distant gyro]

Maybe I'm underestimating how much targeting through blocks does

[hollow shell]

Wait hang on

[exotic stag]

same here. cause iirc thats only like super offensive to underground bosses that pass thru blocks a bit

(i.e EOW and such)

[distant gyro]

but in terms of raw DPS it seems to perfectly place itself between Cinder Blossom and the two Pre-Boss overheads

[sleek wadi]

Targetting through blocks lets you cheese out events and such but doesn't help in many boss situations

[exotic stag]

events are fine pretty much

most summons can also cheese them out

(I.e this is a far off example but pygmy)

[hollow shell]

@toxic basalt What are the current damage values for those two yoyos? Your "buff" suggestion seems to be a smaller number than their current value.
Vanilla wiki has them in the 40s, and I don't see anything about Calamity changing their damage (unless its something overarching and indirect)

[exotic stag]

hes probably including defense.

[hollow shell]

That would be very strange

[distant gyro]

or that it means buff BY 30-40 which seems like a lot

that's almost doubling damage

[exotic stag]

if its that then buffing a yoyo by 30 damage is kinda like doing the catastrophe claymore thing

[hollow shell]

He says "possibly to something around "

[exotic stag]

also i dont see how range could help?

[distant gyro]

yeah but could be phrased incorrectly for all i know

[exotic stag]

both yoyo's (unless amarok is different) can reach twins

[distant gyro]

both of them don't make sense in their own rights

[sleek wadi]

Getting to full screen range would certainly help but that'd also be real wack

[exotic stag]

this is what the end of the explanation says so like

unless hes using a mod where yoyo's do something different or an item. i dont see how they do so little to twins?

loki's sugg is entirely fine imo. i've found the same with mycoroot so like. its fine to me

[toxic basalt]

Vanilla Dmg for Amarok is 43. The Early HM Rebalanced version is only 30.
Vanilla Hel-fire dmg is 41. and I believe I checked Hel-Fire's dmg and it was 29 on here.

[exotic stag]

can we see a screenshot?
cause yoyos werent nerfed iirc

[hollow shell]

I have to assume that it's something indirect in the source, then
Cuz I don't see anything directly touching those two yoyos

[exotic stag]

im checking search function incase theres any changes

everyones saying its garbo and i dont see why. like sure their all saying use yoyo bag but i dont see any amarok nerfs

[grim tusk]

Yoyos got their iframe issues fixed, so they needed to nerf the dmg to not make em op

[toxic basalt]

Oh I was wrong, their dmg atm is 1 lower than what I've been saying

[hollow shell]

Very weird

[toxic basalt]

And yet they did so poorly vs Twins

[grim tusk]

As they always did

[exotic stag]

ah frame issue

thats understandable then. if it had the frame issue and needed fixing and was op with the frame issue fixed. then obviously it needed a nerf

[toxic basalt]

if they were always bad then why not make them better here? Because they're just worse

[exotic stag]

they had an issue. with frames

iframes

[toxic basalt]

that wasn't answering the question

[exotic stag]

the iframe issue made them bad.

and even in vanilla amarok is bad against twins somewhat.

[toxic basalt]

so what in the fuck am I supposed to use against them!?

[hollow shell]

Yes the yoyos hit enemies more often, now

because they have unique iframes

[exotic stag]

which by that they needed a nerf so they didnt become a ranged fetid baghnahks

[toxic basalt]

Also True Caustic Edge just powered me through the Destroyer so idk what now

[hollow shell]

We can control how long the unique i-frames last

They don't need to be hitting every frame

[exotic stag]

(i mean i havent played 1.5 much yet. so im like just going off of my semi-1.4.5 knowledge)

[grim tusk]

And also remeber that those yoyos are pre-mechs, expect em to be around cobalt and palladium in power

Chik needs mythril anvil right?

[exotic stag]

lemme check

yes

[toxic basalt]

Just an Anvil in the rebalance

[exotic stag]

chik does 39 base anyway

[toxic basalt]

does 26 in the rebalance

[grim tusk]

Oh well just buy the post-mech yoyos from Traveling merchant

[exotic stag]

or use another weapon.

[hollow shell]

I mean

You're kinda intended to use these yoyos against the first mech

considering they're EarlyHM

[toxic basalt]

wait, has the drop requirements for the Yelets been changed at all?

[exotic stag]

no? i dont think so

[hollow shell]

I do not think so either

[toxic basalt]

Seems like it...because now they only deal 41 dmg with the gear I have equipped

[exotic stag]

wait what damage?

[toxic basalt]

Yelets only deals 41 melee dmg now

[hollow shell]

Okay question

What mods are you playing with DaMeister

[exotic stag]

^ (you can post an image of your enabled.json file if you want if your playing with a lot)

[toxic basalt]

Calamity Mod
Calamity Music
Idglib
Boss Checklist
Fargo's Music Mod
Fargo's Souls Mod (No I don't use the souls themselves)
Fargo's Mutant Mod
Magic Storage
Universal Throwing
Subworld Library
AlchemistNPC Lite
Boss Cursor
Reduced Grinding
Which Mod Is This From?
VeinMiner (why do I have this enabled still?)
Calamity Extra Music
MaxStackPlus
imkSushi's Mod
imkSushi's Mod Old Recipes Enabler
Yet Another Boss Health Bar

A lot of these are really minor

[hollow shell]

Yeah, I don't see anything that really could be messing with their damage

Fuck it I'll open up my game

[grim tusk]

Alch npc buffs and Fargo’s enchants and own rebalancing

[exotic stag]

wait @toxic basalt whats your loadout.

[exotic stag]

also souls themselves refers to the whole inventory of fargos enchants and stuff correct. or just the souls like flight mastery

[toxic basalt]

Alch NPC Lite has no weap reabalancing, Fargo's Rebalancing only takes effect if Eternity is enabled, which it isn't

[exotic stag]

it has buffs.

and if your using those buffs it can uh

it can actually do a lot

[hollow shell]

I'm checkin my game rn

[toxic basalt]

Buffs, yes, though I don't see how that could lower its dmg

[distant gyro]

uh it's doing 43 for me

[exotic stag]

which.

[exotic stag]

hm yeah then uh

@toxic basalt can we see your inventory too?

cause i want to make sure if you have like anything buff-wise on there or such

[frozen mist]

636 - Nerfed Yoyo Glove and Bag to give a 0.66x damage multiplier to yoyos when equipped. - Done ✅ isnt it this?

[grim tusk]

Maybe

[hollow shell]

That's for Yoyo Bag and Glove only

[exotic stag]

that wouldnt lower it though

no wait

mb

[exotic stag]

im reading it wrong

[toxic basalt]

[hollow shell]

...

[toxic basalt]

SHIT

IT DOES 70 NOW

[grim tusk]

Get rid of all your alch npc buffs and see its dmg

[exotic stag]

yeah

[hollow shell]

Okay, DaMeister, I have a new suggestion for you now

[grim tusk]

And also try this with only Cal enabled

[hollow shell]

"Add to Yoyo Glove and Bag's tooltip that it reduces yoyo damage significantly"

I can see this issue before my very eyes.

[exotic stag]

yeah that seems better

and it makes sense

[toxic basalt]

should I edit my sugg or make a new one?

[exotic stag]

edit i'd say.

[grim tusk]

Edit

[exotic stag]

instead of cooldown

[grim tusk]

Cuz imagine slow mo

[hollow shell]

You can just edit it yeah

[exotic stag]

byeah yoyo bag

[exotic stag]

never expected it to be that much lower though

[hollow shell]

Yoyo Bag is balance hell

[toxic basalt]

done

[grim tusk]

Yoyo bag essentially got the nerf that 20/20 got on Isaac

[exotic stag]

because of all the counterweights

[toxic basalt]

also fuck me a 0.66x multiplier!?

[grim tusk]

Delete everything above the edit

[exotic stag]

well you have like 2 yoyo's. and four counterweights

[hollow shell]

oh, nah that's not what I meant by edit DaMeister yeah

I meant turn your whole suggestion into a new one

And you can explain the confusion you experienced

[exotic stag]

that way you dont suffer cooldown too.

[hollow shell]

Because there is no indication that Yoyo Bag or Glove causes such a nerf in damage

[exotic stag]

^

unless they read changelogs specifically

[hollow shell]

Yeah, which no player should be expected to do

in order to receive
info that should be in-game such as this

[exotic stag]

yeah

[toxic basalt]

done

[hollow shell]

Very nice suggestion, thank you

[toxic basalt]

Something just has to make me look like a complete fucking idiot

[hollow shell]

though should be "yet neither the Yoyo Bag nor Glove states this" iirc

Yeah sorry you had to go through this whole thing

I was confused too

[exotic stag]

same here. i havent done 1.5 much

[hollow shell]

@left ice You can edit boss health in the config already

[left ice]

Oh

Ok

[torn crown]

#calamity-update-talk message can someone go double-check

(Apparently item charge UI can't be clicked through, contrary to Ripper UI's being changed to do otherwise)

[hollow shell]

Yes that is true, I experienced it myself and told the testers about it

[torn crown]

Is there any plans to change that too?

[hollow shell]

It'll prolly get changed yeah, s'like an oversight

@plush oyster You can try adding a bit more reasoning than that

Can explain the value in having paintings, and the potential in what the paintings can depict

and such

[fossil finch]

We have calval for that

[torn crown]

Lore implications

[exotic stag]

also the "yes" reasoning..

[grim tusk]

Also an invalid reason

Just install Calamity’s vanities

[uncut quiver]

Wait now that yoyo bag got nerfed, isn’t it a bit more plausible for it to get an upgrade now? (One that isn’t it going into elemental gauntlet ofc)

[hollow shell]

I guess so? It'd still be balance hell though

[uncut quiver]

True

It’s just more plausible now than before

[hollow shell]

@feral flume We did.

You use Ashes of Calamity at an Altar of the Accursed.

[deft yew]

probably means eye of extinction byeah

[hollow shell]

Eye of Extinction still exists, yes

The post-SCal reusable item

[deft yew]

ngl i wouldn't mind a resprite for it but ech

[fossil finch]

A resprite for it will exist

Eventually iban will come here doing some epic comment and maybe casually dropping a wip of the resprite

[feral flume]

maybe a brimstone rune or something

[hollow shell]

If you wanna keep your suggestion around, bruh
You gotta 1) format it properly, have a title at the top separated with reasoning below using Shift+Enter
and 2) Acknowledge that Eye of Extinction is not SCal's main spawn method anymore

[fossil finch]

0. sprites don't grow on threes and all that the sugg is valid but have that kn mind

(I swear that like the sugg means resprite it)

[river glen]

vrej...

da fuq is that..

[exotic stag]

hey uh can i suggest something about the tomahawks. (i.e the lead tomahawk and iron thing or whatever) since their hitbox is bigger then it needs to be.

so you'll end up hitting the blocks behind you if your aiming in any way. because the hitbox hits the block

causing it to despawn

[grim tusk]

Go ahead

[exotic stag]

aight

[grim tusk]

I think making it appear more ahead would be better

[exotic stag]

ah true true.

i chose shorten just because i felt in my head it was simpler

[grim tusk]

Making it smaller would work too but it will be harder to hit stuff at times

[hollow shell]

You can just look up the name of the iron one you know

(Iron Francisca )

[exotic stag]

yeah but i was just already writing it so myeh

[river glen]

is my suggestion fine?

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's fine

[gray nebula]

what the dog doig

wrong chat

[fossil finch]

iban when they

[grim tusk]

Leaaaaaaks

/s

[hollow shell]

@modern dagger The title could be phrased better, like you did in your final sentence
At first I thought you wanted the attack to sometimes not happen, dependant on the boss's position

[modern dagger]

Would it be better to say have it not spawn relevant to the boss's position

[hollow shell]

"Make Crabulon's wall of crab shrooms attack spawn relative to the player's position, rather than the boss's"

I think that would be good

[modern dagger]

Alright cool I'll change it

[hollow shell]

Thanks mate

[modern dagger]

[gray nebula]

idk about the adren/rage part but

I have to agree with the first half

It's the biggest critique of the update ive seen so far

[modern dagger]

Yeah Rage and Adrenaline arent locked behind malice mode

I dont think at least

[dapper coral]

i would be surprised if they are

[hollow shell]

That's not what the suggestion is saying DumDum

[gray nebula]

a lot of people really don't appreciate being locked out of so many actually useful items (especially counter scarf) because of malice

[dapper coral]

The mods best new core mechanics, such as "Adrenaline" and "Rage", are now locked away from players such as me.

that's sure what it sounds like its saying

[modern dagger]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

Yeah sure @charred dagger That bit ^ could be worded better

[dapper coral]

but im 90% sure they're not locked

[modern dagger]

Some of the items like the community, cosmic discharge, shpc, and seas searing definitly need to be locked behind malice but counter scarf being malice locked doesnt make a whole lot of sense

[hollow shell]

(SoC still exists)

(As does Ornate Shield, which dashes now)

[modern dagger]

But the cool thing about counter scarf is that you can dodge through a boss and get rewarded if you can pull it off

It also is pretty nesesary for things like true melee builds

[gray nebula]

yeah ik about soc but like

[charred dagger]

I made an adjustment. Is it better now?

[gray nebula]

idk

i mean personally i didnt rly play rev for the items

i just play rev because its the full experience for the bosses

[hollow shell]

No I still don't really know what that sentence is trying to convey

[gray nebula]

but im seeing a lotta people be really sad about no longer being able to get the coutner scarf for example

[modern dagger]

I loved that on my first pt

[gray nebula]

and i mean yeah its kinda wierd to have so much non-vanity content locked behind malice. i mean its supposed to be a challenge mode for stronger items but

it ended up being challenging to the point of being only practical to do on tier by experienced nohitter tier people

[modern dagger]

But counter scarf isnt broken like all the other gear

[modern dagger]

True

[gray nebula]

(and the "well fight them later on when youve got better stuff" is an ok ish excuse but its very counterintuitive and not conveyed clearly at all ingame)

[modern dagger]

Yeah and it takes away the challenge

Except for reactive dr

[hollow shell]

The disclaimer is worded like this:

[modern dagger]

Its right

[gray nebula]

not rly enough even then

but like nothing would be enough i feel

because its something which is ridiculous on tier with arma disguised as a "reasonable" difficulty mode like rev

byeah im just sayin because ive seen a lotta people complain about that as their one big problem they have with 1.5 and i can see why

[charred dagger]

It mostly is a PvE game. So locking gear that is this essential behind a mode where players may not even be touched by a boss, seemed strange to me.

[modern dagger]

I totally agree and especially with the low tier bosses, they can shred your entire defense in one hit

(to eris)

[gray nebula]

i mean its debatable about wether or not all the locked gear is essential but theres definitely stuff that feels odd

(like counter scarf)

[modern dagger]

Some of the gear that is locked tho is just too op with the balancing that has been done

[gray nebula]

(the leggies can get locked behind malice tho like, yeah thats fine i guess since theyre legendary

[modern dagger]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

Question

[modern dagger]

But like SoD was never op

And its locked

[hollow shell]

What other now-Challenge Drops did players previously use besides Counter Scarf?
Is Counter Scarf the only one?

[modern dagger]

Yeah I kinda have changed my view I think only the leggies should be locked

[gray nebula]

its definitely the main point of contention

[modern dagger]

SoD for one but Idk the list of locked items

[charred dagger]

May I ask why you think this? I would really like to hear your reasoning for why content should be locked away behind a mode only a hand full of people can reasonably beat without going back after beating much later content. 🙂

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Challenge_items

[dapper coral]

i think there was one more than CS but im not sure what it was

CS is definitely the biggest one though

[hollow shell]

You do not need to obtain every item in every playthrough

[charred dagger]

The slime crystal comes to mind.

[dapper coral]

crown jewel?

[charred dagger]

Ye

[hollow shell]

People used that?

[river glen]

you can always defeat the boss... then go back to it

[gray nebula]

well i mean since theyre legendaries it makes more sense that they get locked away like that

[hollow shell]

Like, it was an essential accessory?

[gray nebula]

but shruggers

[dapper coral]

i guess it has funny debuff effect right

[charred dagger]

For me and my friends, it always was (back when they still played)

[gray nebula]

(ive also seen ppl be a bit bummed that the legendaries are just "malice lol" and dont have any unique drop conditions? i remember soa being mentionned where you need to beat the bosses with certain conditions to get legendary type weapons iirc)

[hollow shell]

(It's still better than pure RNG)

[dapper coral]

there've been suggestions in the past to make them have unique drop conditions yeah

current is far better than 0.01% chance or whatever it was before, of course

[gray nebula]

actually kinda funny that right as we removed most of the rev exclusivity from items we also locked a lotta items to an even more innacessible difficulty

[dapper coral]

but it could be cool ig

[modern dagger]

Ok so I used the crown jewel, dune hopper, SoD, Lead wizard, Hide of AD, Quazar, Conference call, Grand dad, Swordsplosion, Warbanner of the sun (old samurai badge), Guidelight of Oblivion, Pearl God, and Gaels

[hollow shell]

What I'm trying to get at is
If Counter Scarf is the only thing that's seen as an essential item now locked behind Malice
Then just Counter Scarf could be moved out
Instead of rethinking Malice and the whole rewards system just cuz people want the one item more than all others

But if there are other Challenge Drops that are seen as comparably vital to Counter Scarf then you could keep the suggestion as it is I guess, but maybe name them too

[charred dagger]

And yeah, for players like me, who relied on that regen from Crown Jewel, it now sadly makes more sense to get that item in a non-modded world, then bring it into the modded one.

[hollow shell]

(also this suggestion is okay ball_buster. It's a bit subjective but it's a minor visual improvement so I don't think that much reasoning is needed for it anyway)

[river glen]

was gonna make suggestion on bosses like QB and PBG to be slower to true melee players as it seems equally unfair as the twins as they play keep away 90% of the time

dunno how it sounds....

[modern dagger]

Obtaining this content without having to be challenged and then going down to a lower difficulty just trivializes a playthrough because you don't even have to try to beat some of these bosses. As for the non-legies, some of them I completely disagree with them being locked, but still some of these were rare overpowered items. If these were avalible as non-challenge items I would imagine even more people would be mad and complaining about how the devs need to "balance their mod" after all the hard work they did balancing every weapon in the game.

[river glen]

yeah the rare and legie weapons are more powerful

which makes it so you have to try harder for them

[charred dagger]

May I ask why this is necessary? There always is one best build that can do things best. Why lock the better gear that worse players need to beat the mod away from them, by making it only obtainable by playing way better than they could reasonably become?

[dapper coral]

here's the thing right

there's "better gear" and then there's "gear that is purposefully overpowered and is not part of the general progression system"

aka the leggies

[gray nebula]

objectively best builds are kinda cringe anyways

[modern dagger]

N*hitter moment

[gray nebula]

forcing players to break it up is good but i mean doing so by locking items behind higher difficulties not that great

crimson/corruption differences are what im talking about

but yeah i mean its not like the player is entitled to ultra powerful legendary weapons

you gotta earn em

[charred dagger]

Well, yeah. And some are not good enough to win without that. Me? I just managed to beat Brimstone Elemental for the first time after a full 30 attempts and full potion buffs, while wearing full daedalus. I could never have managed that without the counter scarf.

[fossil finch]

im gonna jump in and say that in no way is any of the challenge drops essential

not even scarf

[dapper coral]

counter scarf isn't a leggie

[fossil finch]

but i see the point

[gray nebula]

were not rly arguing about the scarf

[dapper coral]

so idrc about that one

[fossil finch]

ik but like

its one of the main points of the sugg

so

[gray nebula]

its not rly about being essential its about the fact that a lotta people love it and are sadge about it diyng

[modern dagger]

I agree but there are some other weapons in the newly locked list like Yharims crystal, and swordsplotion that are too op ya know. they should have been legies in the first place

[gray nebula]

ik a friend that just cheated in the counter scarf after beating eoc because they were just so annoyed by the change

kinda sigmapilled based if you ask me

[dapper coral]

they probably could've been, yeah

[modern dagger]

Thats what you gotta do ig

[dapper coral]

idk much about those two in particular so can't really attest to their strength

or leggie-worthiness

[fossil finch]

anyways if this where to exist it would not be a config

[hollow shell]

Yharim's Crystal has been the faux-Legendary for a long time and we've been considering making it an official Legendary
But, evidently, not yet.

[modern dagger]

I guess you have a different mindset as me. I agree with you on most of the newly locked stuff, but you have to respect the reasoning behind the change. Idk if you have used some of these items or I am sure you would know what I am talking about.

[half sage]

well evasion scarf is now not locked behind anything, so you could've done brimmy with evasion scarf

[river glen]

most of the locked items are power crept versions of other items

some at least....

[half sage]

cuz if you have access to daedalus you have access to a mythril anvil

[charred dagger]

Oh, I do understand. I have not used them myself, but I see no harm in being able to beat the content of a PvE game easier by going after a rare drop. 🙂
"Earning it" seems weird for a PvE game most play in singleplayer.

[river glen]

people are going to complain about game balance and complain how a non-rare version of a rare weapon is very weak

[fossil finch]

the thing about rare drops is that you can get them first try because that's how rng works

so it doesn't really work out

[charred dagger]

Well, yes, and that playthrough would become noteworthy for that moment. It'd be a high point for the player.

The gear would eventually fade out of usefulness, but for a while, they could make use of it.

[fossil finch]

and then the player complains that the original item is worthless

because the riv can be gotten ultra easily

[modern dagger]

Yeah, I see your point, but for me at least, it doesnt feel rewarding killing bosses with op weapons. Not really the same as a challenge.

[charred dagger]

Is this a thing people do? That seems... counter intuitive to me. Why complain about getting the good thing at 1%?

[charred dagger]

And that is awesome for you! You can choose to not use the OP gear, if you do not like it. 🙂

[fossil finch]

ok but

let me use that logic against you

and say that like

if you don't like the change

cheat the items in

it's not exactly the same thing ik but it follows the same principle

i know in your sugg you mentioned it being a config, but those usually do not work out well

[river glen]

u can just use gear after the boss to beat the boss in malice

[safe oasis]

alright but here's the thing:
would you rather be rewarded for completing a tough challenge by getting an item with stats above your tier? or would you prefer to farm for hours on end with no guarantee of actually getting it, which you could've used that time to beat the next boss anyway

[charred dagger]

That would be a solution for me. I made the suggestion, as I do not think all players would make that same call, or even know which mods to install to do so.

[fossil finch]

because either everyone has it off or everyone has it on

there is very little inbetween

and most people would go "why would i lock all those items behind malice if i can choose not to"

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message necessary my ass, crown jewel was a very meh defensive accs, SoC was as if not more busted than Scarf

[fossil finch]

the config is then worthless

[charred dagger]

Okay. Would this be better?

"Return regular challenge items, add conditions for dropping legendary challenge items with a chance, and make them guaranteed in malice mode"?

[grim tusk]

Also its a revert changes sugg which is a dont

[hollow shell]

What do you mean "Return regular challenge items"?

[grim tusk]

This is better but still breaks the dont

[hollow shell]

Make all of the non-Legendary challenge items back into RIVs?

[fossil finch]

rover did not exclaim it for that so don't
pry i think is the word? on it

[charred dagger]

Counter Scarf, Crown Jewel, things that are not breaking balance. 🙂

[radiant meadow]

maybe those challenge items just need to be buffed instead

[fossil finch]

they were already buffed a bit

[grim tusk]

A lot in the case of scarf

[hollow shell]

Well then that becomes a bit subjective

[river glen]

balance is pretty darn subjective per person and then an argument because "x item is balanced, why is it locked behind smth"

[fossil finch]

i mean ig they'll no longer be variants of anything as they got reworked
They'd be just rare items

[radiant meadow]

crown jewel and counter scarf should just be buffed

imo

[safe oasis]

i like ben's idea iirc

[river glen]

is counter scarf that weak?

[radiant meadow]

it's not weak, but when you can get soc for considerably less effort

it is weak

[fossil finch]

soc is simply too strong

[river glen]

oh yeah

SoC has that bonk

and its still has crazy i frames

[radiant meadow]

soc did get nerfed but

[safe oasis]

it's not weak, it just kinda feels lacking now that there is a challenge behind something that is arguably a side-grade for a guaranteed drop item

[fossil finch]

people just defaulted to scarf because of the buff and the projectile dodging

[radiant meadow]

it's not enough to make scarf worth it imo

[river glen]

scarf is useful on bullet hell bosses

[fossil finch]

amount of those scarf tier:
crabulon

[charred dagger]

Yeah. As said, I couldn't have beaten Brimstone Elemental without being able to (liberating a Bayo term here) bat dodge its shotgun blasts.

[grim tusk]

And if you want rage and adren just turn on revengeance and deal with it

Or you get those mechanics or significantly squishier bosses

[half sage]

again with brimstone, the evasion scarf is now all modes

so in hardmode you're not locked out of evasion scarf at all

[grim tusk]

Ye just needs silk and red dye instead of CS

And then you can also just still use CS, SoC or get Ornate shield (post-cryo)

[half sage]

as soon as you beat one mech you can get it, cuz mythril anvil

or immediately if you turn off the rework

[charred dagger]

The whole "beat a mech to get early HM materials" is a whole other can of worms I won't touch now. ^^'

[grim tusk]

So ye you just kill a mech/Cryo and you get a better dash

[half sage]

wouldn't ornate shield be post 2 mechs cuz cryonic ore

[grim tusk]

Makes the progression actually meaningful instead of speedrun to adamantite and titanium and skip lots of shit

[grim tusk]

Tru

But kinda fine with it considering how massively buffed shield rams got

(I still prefer Void sash and Statis belt over Asgardian and Valor, void sash also got a fat buff btw)

[fossil finch]

Well that's fair but aside evasion they do have a way to dodge them that doesn't rely on dashing and all that
For that i can't really tell you anything you don't know already anyways

[modern dagger]

Yes

That

[charred dagger]

See, that is what I mean. Some players (such as me) are not good enough to even scrape Cryogen without adamantite or titanium gear. And to people like me, with these changes (which are amazing for those who seek the challenge), Rev mode has kinda become a no-go-zone. So now, Adrenaline and Rage are not really all that available anymore. And the challenge drops being in malice compounds this issue.
Maybe my suggestion wasn't clear enough. This is what I tried to convey. 🙂

[modern dagger]

You dont need adren and rage in expert and normal btw

[grim tusk]

Thats a pretty much skill/lack of practice issue (not being able to kill cryo or dodge brimmy shotgun blasts) and possibly an arena issue

[half sage]

then fight him after getting titanium, cryonic still needs titanium to mine anyway, so you can't get most of the stuff locked behind him until post 2 mechs

[charred dagger]

Yeah, but they were really amazing mechanics and fun to use. Getting Adrenaline to work was a huge achievement, and was rewarded in kind.

[fossil finch]

At the end of the day, and I'm not exactly fond of telling you this, but if that's really the case Calamity is not tailored meant for players of your skill level

[grim tusk]

Well just use rev and (hate to say this) git gud

[half sage]

adrenaline and rage without rev healthbars/movesets would be pretty busted

[charred dagger]

Yes, but it was open to people like me. And with these changes, it's not anymore.

[fossil finch]

After all, it does balance around rev and once early hm gets balanced, it will balance around those changes

It still is

You can still get better, after all
Or cheat the items in

[charred dagger]

I wish I had the time for that. But I'm getting on a bit in years now, and I have a job to worry about. Training to get better in a video game isn't exactly a quick thing one can do on the side. 🙂 Calamity used to be one of those amazing things I could ram my head against after work. And now...

[fossil finch]

It's not that time consuming

Not as much as you think

[charred dagger]

Knowing my ability to learn, yes, it is as much as I think. 😄

[grim tusk]

Scal took me almost 5 months to nohit for the first time so theres that if you want to feel better

[charred dagger]

Anyway, that is off topic.

Sorry for going there.

[fossil finch]

Ok then ig

Byeah uh

[charred dagger]

But yeah. Suggestion stands. Do with it what you will. Talk, vote, ignore, it's up to you fellows now. 🙂

Who knows, maybe it gave someone ideas for a better suggestion.

[fossil finch]

Do any of you have any idea how to say "calamity doesn't cater to everyone so too bad!" But not mean so i can actually get the point across

[grim tusk]

Yep theres always an opportunity to learn

[charred dagger]

I gotta head off now, got an early shift tomorrow. Have a good time, everyone!

[grim tusk]

Gn

[gusty scarab]

i'd love it if all the content was available in all the difficulty modes

I want to turn the gamemode to normal so i can have an actually enjoyable experience, but i feel like i'm already missing so much content on expert

[radiant meadow]

@toxic basalt Updated the yoyo glove/bag tooltip to reflect the nerf for next update btw

[fossil finch]

And then enters the complaint "why play on higher difficulty modes if there's no rewards"

It's not white and black

[gusty scarab]

true... but ugh

i can't make any progress on expert but... imo Shield Of Cthulu is one of the best items in the game

[hollow shell]

Awesome

[gusty scarab]

a dash... so early... it's amazing

[brisk bramble]

Same with counter scarf

[fossil finch]

Now i will say skill issue when i actually mean "remember you could always improve so you cam achieve your goal of playing expert without dying horribly every single time"

[gusty scarab]

also, i'd love to play around with the rage and adrenaline mechanics but i'll just never get the chance to because you have to make it to an actual boss with rev on

[brisk bramble]

I mean
what else is there to say

🤷‍♂️

[gusty scarab]

i've been practicing, it's got me nowhere. occasionally i get progress but then i lose it all again

[fossil finch]

I can't please everyone by giving absolutely every person on earth the perfect copy of calamity mod for them

Devs can't either

So yeah

[gusty scarab]

i mean

making a single item isn't hard... hold on

[uncut quiver]

Got a random off the wall sugg im gonna shoot here before thinking about posting it

What if grazing attacks gave a small bonus amount of adrenaline?

[fossil finch]

The

[hollow shell]

This idea has come up before and it got rejected

and also Rage

[uncut quiver]

Fair

[hollow shell]

Rage is proximity-based now, not to projectiles but at least to enemies

[uncut quiver]

Would be cool to have a grazing thing but this isnt exactly a bullet hell so yea I see why not

Still thinking about whether or not to suggest yoyo bag upgrade now, I’ll get to a point in my melee playthrough before making it

Don’t like making suggs based off 0 experience

[brisk bramble]

Rage gives a Deafening boom
I cant wait what Adrenaline sounds like

[half sage]

yea the new ripper sounds are great

[gusty scarab]

how do you like that?

[uncut quiver]

Oh yea rover i forgot to say

[grim tusk]

@gusty scarab earliest dashes are in hm being Evasion scarf (post 1 mechs) and Ornate shield (post 2 mechs and cryogen)

[uncut quiver]

Your new sfx for the rippers are clean as hell (I like the noise it makes when rage ends)

Can’t wait for the knife sfx

[half sage]

they mean early game as in phm

[weak field]

Why do you need a dash in non expert

[half sage]

wait nvm

[grim tusk]

And all of the normal mode pre-hm bosses are too tame to need a dash

[gusty scarab]

well, no evasion scarf without the counter scarf! so that's out

[half sage]

no

[hollow shell]

"you have to wait until you kill Plantera to get the Tabi,"
Ornate Shield.

[gusty scarab]

too tame to need a dash??? ha!

[half sage]

evasion scarf does not need counter scarf anymore

[grim tusk]

Evasion scarf got recipe change

[gusty scarab]

what's an ornate shield

[uncut quiver]

Cryogen drop

[gusty scarab]

ok updating that now

[weak field]

Malice doesn't count as a reason

[grim tusk]

Skill issue then

Evasion scarf needs silk and red dye instead of CS now

[hollow shell]

Evasion Scarf is in all modes now, I did not know that
Its available as soon as you enter Hardmode

That's pretty nice

[grim tusk]

Post-1 mech

[half sage]

not as soon, it's after one mech if toggle is on

[grim tusk]

Mythril anvil

[hollow shell]

Oh, right

[uncut quiver]

Hasn’t regenator always been meh?

[hollow shell]

Anvil

[half sage]

if it's off tho then yea immediately

[uncut quiver]

What if they gave regenator some cool stuff

[half sage]

scarf is post one mech ornate is post 2

[grim tusk]

Yep, unless some regen setups with pre-nerf bloodfire bullets

[gusty scarab]

to avoid getting absolutely shredded by Perfs, Hive Mind and Slime God

plus dashes are really fun

[grim tusk]

Also Deep diver is malice mode item

[uncut quiver]

If regenator is a RiV of ornate shield, which now has a dash, let’s just give regenator a cool dash of its own

easy

[grim tusk]

So get rid of the stay in water

[half sage]

moved all the way to aquatic yea

[weak field]

You really don't need a dash for that

Hooks work

[gusty scarab]

also, a ton of essential accessories are locked to expert

[grim tusk]

Yes and expert has far harder ai and those are needed

[weak field]

You don't need them on normal

[gusty scarab]

Ocean Crest is the only way to get anything done in the Sunken Sea without diving gear

[grim tusk]

Normal is too easy

[weak field]

Gills potion or just dig up two blocks

[gusty scarab]

it's about the perfect level of difficulty to be a fair challenge to me

[hollow shell]

That is fine

[weak field]

That's fine but ultimately normal is not a difficulty most regard as needing expert+ accessories

[gusty scarab]

but in my only successful full run of vanilla, i ended up having to cheat in a SoC to fight Skeletron

[grim tusk]

Well that is a lack of skill

[weak field]

Be nice :(

[gusty scarab]

and i did not take it off until...

[grim tusk]

How do you think people fought Ocram dashless on the old 1.1 console days

[gusty scarab]

actually i'm just realizing i never did

[gusty scarab]

cupid arrows

[grim tusk]

Cupid are 1.2 and mobile

[fossil finch]

How do you think people defeated plantera in 1.2

Or fishron

Wair no fishron is post plant

[uncut quiver]

Hooks

[fossil finch]

Ninja gear exisrs

Plantera then

[weak field]

And slime mount exists

[uncut quiver]

Hook gods

[fossil finch]

And all mechs

[gusty scarab]

i kinda... cheesed her.

[uncut quiver]

Slime mount is so fun to finesse with

[gusty scarab]

there was a bug that made her not able to move in 1.2

that was fun

[grim tusk]

without burning block cheese

[weak field]

So this is primarily a lack of skill

[hollow shell]

@celest ermine You should not make suggestions that are just references for the sake of being references

[gusty scarab]

she would just keep spinning and spinning and couldn't do anything... was amazing

[weak field]

And less of a expert accessories are actually needed for normal

[hollow shell]

also it's not formatted properly but doesn't matter if the core idea's invalid

[gusty scarab]

well they're needed for me

so

[brisk bramble]

[weak field]

Well get another mod that does that

Or obtain skills

Also I live in a cave but I have never heard of the Catarina whatever thingy

[gusty scarab]

plus

like

a good majority of features are not available in normal

[weak field]

Like?

[fossil finch]

From vanilla: not a single one

[weak field]

You don't need Rage and adren on nornal

[fossil finch]

From calamity: rage or adren

What a majority

[weak field]

Rage and adren would make normal an actual joke

[celest ermine]

@hollow shell sorry it’s a bit too late just had the idea and my brain went smoosh

[hollow shell]

m

[celest ermine]

[weak field]

Provided that the bosses survive long enough to actually get you the full adren

[half sage]

wym normal ice biome water doesn't slow you, so that's a missing expert feature

[weak field]

Which they don't cause half hp

[gusty scarab]

no rage, no adrenaline, about 100 missing items

[grim tusk]

Essentially on Mexican tradition: La catrina originated on a painting to represent death, but now its more used as of a friendly grim reaper that allows people’s spirits visit the living world on Nov 1-2 (nov 1 is children and aborted child, nov 2 everyone)

[weak field]

You don't need them is the point

[brisk bramble]

Seems that many arent used to the new Changes :/

[weak field]

At least a majority majority of us don't

[gusty scarab]

yeah but they're fun items and mechanics!

[weak field]

I'm afraid you'll have to get some skills

[half sage]

the suggestion was about siegward of catarina armor from dark souls

[weak field]

Or just play higher difficulties

[gusty scarab]

the only one i actually need is Shield of Cthulu

[grim tusk]

I read it as Catrina oops

[gusty scarab]

but like

[weak field]

We aren't handing power on a silver plate to you

[gusty scarab]

a ton of these are really nice

[weak field]

If you only need that dash cheat it in instead of making a suggestion

[gusty scarab]

and it would be really great to have the Skullmasher... considering that's well

[weak field]

You don't need it

[gusty scarab]

it's named after someone i know

[weak field]

And clearly this idea isn't comprehensible to you

So I'll go do productive things

[gusty scarab]

i don't like losing 100 items because i'm not good enough to beat the bosses on a harder mode

[weak field]

Sometimes you just need to practice and gain that skill

Silver plates aren't everywhere in life

Work for things

This just got heavy quick

[gusty scarab]

i have a reaction time that is... well

worse than 97% of people apparently

half the crap hits me before i can see it.

[brisk bramble]

Instead of gloating about it
improve upon it

[gusty scarab]

i literally have to predict half the damn attacks, that's why you;ll see me dodge out of the way of nothing alot