ok that looks significantly better now
#suggestions-discussion
deft yew
burnt beacon
cheers
viscid bane
i had just informed myself that those 3 vanity transformations are from calamity vanities, not calamity. have a great evenging
deft bobcat
understandable
fossil finch
ehem
suggs requesting adding things for the sake of x only runs aren't valid suggs, as those runs are simply challenges
Blah blah blah read the don'ts doc
glossy stone
Well tbh, it's not a really extensive challenge either, and come on, there is just one slot to be filled to complete the puzzle, that's literally it
Even spears have options pre-Provi
Devs added flails for literally every single other point in progression, even pre-SCal
yes, I know Dragon Pow is a donator wep but still
fossil finch
that doesn't change that though
full pivot
no, it's explicitly stated
ashen warren
Argument debunked, proceeds to say something irrelevant.
hollow idol
(solar eruption indirectly becoming more viable for prov next update)
glossy stone
Well I did mention that retiering Mourningstar could work too
fossil finch
fdamn i forgor its not just adding things
gray nebula
subclass players after i cut out the skin on their head and slowly rip their eyes out
glossy stone
My disappointement is immeasurable and my day is ruined 
/j
novel belfry
My disappointement is immeasurable and my day is ruined
glossy stone
And now I casted my suggestion into everlasting darkness
full pivot
fdamn i forgor its not just adding things
i was literally just about to post this exact image
glossy stone
subclass players after i cut out the skin on their head and slowly rip their eye...
Uh... okay ?
grim tusk
I want to post the meme but this isnt #calamity-mod-talk so have this instead
glossy stone
Okay phew, I was... genuinely concerned for a second
deft yew
i’d say yoyo moment but flails are even worse 
deft yew
It is, I mean the amount of flails
glossy stone
Oh, right
deft yew
In prehardmode you go from post-scoog to post-skele
wicked dirge
is it ok to link your sugg if it is super close to 200 stars?
hollow shell
@gentle mica https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Stat_Meter This item shows you your max minion slots
It does not show you how many of your minion slots are currently occupied, however
You could change your suggestion to be to add that information to this item
(because yeah adding in a whole interface showing each minion that's using up each slot
People will complain that it's not Calamity's "job" to add something like that, and it would likely be very buggy and difficult to implement)
gentle mica
One message removed from a suspended account.
hollow shell
Ah, uh
@gentle mica You shouldn't append your suggestion with an Edit thing like that
The #suggestions-posting channel is essentially an in-progress channel for suggestions, then after a day they get automatically delivered to the #suggestions-voting channel, where they remain permanently (and, through voting, can be seen by the devs in isolation)
So you don't need to include any indication that your message was edited, the whole suggestion should be in the best state it can be in
gentle mica
One message removed from a suspended account.
hollow shell
(oh boy...)
ashen warren
What does the yellow color in suggestion voting mean
crude geode
hollow shell
(I don't know if the sidebar colors are anywhere in pins)
But yeah they sync up to reactions
keen zealot
(I don't know if the sidebar colors are anywhere in pins)
they aren't
ruby plover
They are kinda self-explanatory though, to an extent
runic kindle
dangit i cant have a meme channel because of idiots
exotic stag
i dont think its because of idiots.. i just think its because moderating it is a hassle
(insert reason why)
finite smelt
(insert reason why)
Light mode 
exotic stag
tardy smelt
Thoughts on my sugg?
deft yew
The very end could use a minor edit, byeah it seems p good
Problem is I think the point of the biome blade line is being pseudo-mage
tardy smelt
Yeah... but there's tons of other weapons that fulfil that niche as well
On pretty much every tier with a biome blade
To the point where they become the meat and bones of the melee swords
So a few less can't hurt
In fact I think it'd be a good thing
deft yew
That makes sense
And it does look better now 
tardy smelt
hollow shell
Big approve
Anything to move melee's effects and DPS closer to the player is a win for me
cobalt pewter
I wish total projectile broadsword eradication can be a thing
torn crown
True melee enchanted sword 
hollow shell
Enchanted Sword is acceptable because its beam is infrequent, slower than the direct swing
fossil finch
it is also the whole point of it
back when terraria melee wasn't 99% mhage swords it made a lot of sense to have an enchanted sword that was able to fire a projectile
tardy smelt
Anything to move melee's effects and DPS closer to the player is a win for me
Absolutely agree
Should've only been the gimmick of terra blade and beam sword tbh
Since terra blade rewards you for the nutty recipe and beamsword's beams aren't the main source of dps
Stuff like AotC's free homing just goes way too far
fossil finch
i believe it is fine for calamity to add some expansions of it every now and then but not literally every sword
tardy smelt
Mmhm
deft yew
Maybe the Ark of the Ancients line could get it instead
Considering how physically small the Biome Blade line is, I think it would be pretty hard to use it for true melee
grim tusk
Biome blade line small?
deft yew
The sword itself I mean
hollow shell
As in hard to true melee with
deft yew
^
grim tusk
Biome blade, True biome blade, Omega biome blade, Galaxia, Ark of the Cosmos
Maybe the first 2 but the others seem fine
Galaxia also would also need a size increase
deft yew
I just realized I’ve never actually used any of the biome blade line and this is a certified speaking before thinking moment
hollow shell
I did a melee playthrough recently and they kinda took a backseat there too
grim tusk
Ark despite all of its nerfs is nohit meta just due to how fucking consistent it is
earnest raptor
what about having true melee on left click and projectiles on right click?
deft yew
Like with aegis and briny
earnest raptor
elemental excalibur already does that
grim tusk
All swords become Gael/Ele exalibur
earnest raptor
so there is a precendent
hollow shell
The thing is all the current instances are special swords
two Legendaries, two post-Yharon weapons (both dedicated)
grim tusk
And one technically becoming a challenge drop
deft yew
Honestly I think aegis and briny having the right click projectile was just an excuse to give them two attacks like other legendaries
hollow shell
I have never heard the term "spellsword" used to describe that phenomenon
earnest raptor
idk, I have heard it on thorium server
hollow shell
That does sound like a Thorium thing yeah
but uh your suggestion is fine, may have some implementation issues due to none of the testers wanting to get that close with such small swords
earnest raptor
double its size
hollow shell
buff/debuff durations would prolly have to be extended
deft yew
buff/debuff durations would prolly have to be extended
I actually love Gauss Dagger’s design in this sense
tardy smelt
And the buffs might need to become stronger
Based on tier ofc
deft yew
The more you dedicate to it, the longer the damage lasts
hollow shell
Based on tier ofc
Well that can't really be done because they're all pre-existing buffs
tardy smelt
Fair nuff
But I don't really need to worry about the exact way it's gonna be implemented the idea just has to be good 
hollow shell
mhm
deft yew
Do we just wait on the bot to put this through now?
Or what
hollow shell
uh
yeah that's how the channel works
Unless you have more feedback to give
I guess LGL could include a bit on how the buff/debuff effects could be improved due to the increased difficulty in triggering them if this change was made
Without dedicating too much message space to it
deft yew
Not in particular
other than I was considering a quasi-true melee run and this would help my favorite archetype a lot
tardy smelt
I guess LGL could include a bit on how the buff/debuff effects could be improved...
Maybe...
I had an idea for that actually
Why not move all those buffs/debuff effects to a unique buff whose effect depends on what biome the player's in
That way you have more control over the exact effects
hollow shell
ehyeah, that can be done
You could include that among the possibilities
alongside just boosting the duration
fossil finch
Bruhve
Moab having less bonus than frog leg to jumpspeed is intended, because it has the jetpack
stable crane
damm
grim tusk
Yea otherwise it would be more busted than fin wings + bundle on 1 accs slot
deft yew
1.5 is solving this problem anyway
tardy smelt
how's this wording btw
tardy smelt
true
hollow shell
@stable crane Is that taking its wing time into account
eternal escarp
On the other hand, Storm found that shorter suggs get votes faster
(tbf this is just logic kekw)
stable crane
<@!792558620785115146> Is that taking its wing time into account
ok that explain
hollow shell
?
stable crane
i translate it
it say that the value is in count as the wing time
in a better explain
wing time = balance the jump
hollow shell
Are you going to edit your suggestion to mention the wing time?
tardy smelt
On the other hand, Storm found that shorter suggs get votes faster
also true
I have a bit to consider
ashen warren
whats that
half sage
evil island is a floating island that spawns in your world that has crim/ebon sand and demonite/crimtane, so it gives you a bunch of the alt ore and enough crimson/corruption blocks to make an artificial biome
as well as the alt evil chest
so you can get both vamp knives and scourge in any world
fargo's both evils just adds both corruption and crimson to your world
fossil finch
what if instead we don't spoil the average terraria player by making every single item spawn in every single word so there's a little variance or whatever
ashen warren
yeah that mod messes up the world gen
fossil finch
it doesn't
ashen warren
with calamity it does
fossil finch
even with calamity it doesn't
deft yew
add some way you think they could be made dodgeable and this should be ok
ruby plover
Yeah, maybe as they’re about to explode they no longer rotate their direction at all, like the aureus crystal flame things
novel belfry
Yeah, maybe as they’re about to explode they no longer rotate their direction at...
that's what I was trying to say btw
terse sundial
😐
deft yew
Whats this bad sugg season?
well, biome blade line and aureus spawn behavior i do agree with
gray nebula
so true
grim tusk
Aureus spawn is skill issue
terse sundial
Iban.,.,.,
grim tusk
Just bait em to explode into the ground
grim tusk
well, biome blade line and aureus spawn behavior i do agree with
Biome blade sugg being the diamond in the rough
tardy smelt
Owo i'm flattered
grim tusk
@manic canopy just use death mode
manic canopy
?
grim tusk
Also very specific suggestion for something that already exists
manic canopy
oh lol
half sage
also don't ping devs for suggestions lul
manic canopy
i didnt know cus im rly new to calamity rly
deft yew
good rule of thumb
manic canopy
and dont rly do death mode, i mainly do revengance
grim tusk
i didnt know cus im rly new to calamity rly
Why is that always an excuse
half sage
grim tusk
The doc is also at the top of #suggestions-posting
fossil finch
Hi im new to life can't read sorry
manic canopy
i played death a bit
fossil finch
Shouldn't we ping a mod or whatevs
grim tusk
@ RoverdriveX#7729 bad sugg season get a shotgun
fossil finch
Anyways @novel belfry you do know they can be fooled pretty easily into colliding with the floor thanks to their jankiness at changing direction right?
deft yew
@ RoverdriveX#7729 bad sugg season get a shotgun
"#suggestions-posting's haunted"
"sir?"
pumps shotgun "#suggestions-posting's haunted"
grim tusk
reply ping 
wooden wedge
@ RoverdriveX#7729 bad sugg season get a shotgun
that isnt how you ping someone doe
@hollow shell
grim tusk
Rover isnt actually online so i didnt want to ping him
wooden wedge
oh
fossil finch
wooden wedge
hi rover .
grim tusk
Fuck mobile
wooden wedge
so true!
hollow shell
byeah @ashen warren a mod exists for that already
and also this exists in Calamity too https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Evil_Island
and also NPCs sell stuff from the other world evil in Calamity
@manic canopy That's not at all how you format a suggestion and you shouldn't ping random devs either
and yes Death Mode adds more natural spawns
fossil finch
also the fix the moab sugg is still not mentioning the fly time and all
hollow shell
I did tell them about that but the user is non-English speaking and its difficult communicating through that language barrier
I don't know if I should exlamate the sugg or not
grim tusk
ok that explain
He means flight time, the time that can fly before the glide starts
If its Spanish i have no prob translating it.
stable crane
He means flight time, the time that can fly before the glide starts
Ooo
So is that whatt limit the jump
stable crane
Then my sugg is just no
hollow shell
Welcome to Terraria, goat
Props to you for actually looking into where the source of the lag is
But yeah it's an ongoing battle
wraith adder
me and Dradon had a build going with a few flags for dust persistence at one point
hollow shell
Is my theory of
Dusts are only problematic if they emit light
correct?
wraith adder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJAVMDoEqKU god it's been two years since we were messing with this. Nah, dust can cause lag even if it's invisible, the game is still tracking its path and all. I might be wrong because it's been two years and an amputation since the last time I really dug in here
hollow shell
Are dusts really that poorly optimized
Of all the things to lag a game like Terraria I wouldn't think it'd be a bunch of uninteractible images moving around on the screen
uncut quiver
huh it seems I missed out on when the wormhole iframes were discussed
wouldn’t that be exploitable? (Unless the iframes are very short)
hollow shell
Sure if you wanna just CHUG potions while mashing the map key and suffering a seizure
wraith adder
there isn't much distinction between dust and projectiles and some guns just don't work if dust is disabled, which is part of why it wasn't something added to release. there's a lot of things that make a lot of dust iirc
grim tusk
@wraith adder maybe its just too many mods, where you messing with other big mods as well?
Cuz Cal does not get along with other big mods
Also i5, thats pretty old
exotic stag
yep an i5 is pretty old
wraith adder
except at the time it wasn't
hollow shell
(but you're making the suggestion now)
I get that you can't expect everyone to have high-end PCs
wraith adder
and... they still make i5s in the current gen, the 7600k part is where the actual date on the thing comes from. and it's got fairly solid single-core performance even now, and high performance on single cores helps a lot in a game that uses two at most
userbenchmark has an 18% higher dualcore speed on an i7-10700k from last year
it was mid/early 2019 when I was experimenting, I can see if there was a mod list but I didn't have, say, Fargo's Souls Mod going because I don't think I knew it existed
hollow shell
That is not something that he said he did at all Or, hmm
wraith adder
I do not think there were big mods of interest at the time, and even then, I'd say it'd be ideal to dig into things for performance anyway
wooden wedge
tml 64 bit
wraith adder
Yes, like the official Mac/Linux tML, except it's made some bad decisions. I don't think I could handle porting the official Mac/Linux source to Windows because the source is kind of a mess and I'd want to throw it like a grenade and dodge behind something to avoid any chance of having to provide support for it.
wooden wedge
cal isn't designed for tml 64 bit or big modpacks
try seeing if your performance issues happen with only cal and on official tml 32 bit
because this sugg just sounds like a player issue 100%
wraith adder
I'm kind of baffled that this is a player issue, but if I get profiling set back up I'll see how much CPU usage is coming up in specific situations with only calamity and only with the official one on Windows
hollow shell
👍
If you're willing to wait a bit you could do this with the new Calamity update comin out soon
cuz I know the programmers have done some optimization work
(or better yet, do it now and do it after the update, to see how much it improved)
wooden wedge
the reason why i'm saying this is a player issue is because you're using cal on a tml client that it wasn't designed for
with other mods too
bound to cause a bunch of unwanted shit to happen for this sugg
wraith adder
It wasn't big stuff, but I was hitting the loading limit on x32 and didn't want to install another operating system to use the other official clients. I'll drop the suggestion and rely on myself to try to figure things out with logging and performance using the official source, at least.
hollow shell
Yeah, if you are playing with a modpack so big it's hitting the limit and requiring you use tMod 64bit
Thas not really reliable conditions to judge Calamity's performance
safe oasis
wait how did you get terraria to use two cores? it only ever uses one in my experience
wraith adder
It's not good at using two cores
safe oasis
this was with multicore lighting set to all six cores and it still seems to use only one, not even a bump on the other cores (the spikes were from tmodloader being physically open and in focus btw)
wraith adder
multicore lighting is either useless or worse than useless and was axed for that reason
fossil finch
(A lot of dust only weapons also have/are in 1.5 getting undusted (or less dusty))
Flamethrowers are the bane of existence
wraith adder
the texture manager and lighting seem to be about all that're calling System.Threading and using them, networking is using it but I have no idea if it's effective or functional. It's just, due to the way processors handle load, the second core even getting tickled is going to make the processor drop down a little in speed if it's not already handling background tasks
every instance of dust is calling vector2 math and floats in at minimum, even if it's invisible. you can optimize vector2/vector3 math by jamming it all into an array, but that would require heavy work and might not help enough to make it worth it
I dropped the suggestion and I'm going to go dig deeper and hopefully find... something in this source that I can make work better. Thanks for discussing it.
hollow shell
aighty
keen zealot
this was with multicore lighting set to all six cores and it still seems to use ...
if it was in focus it was using the other cores
it's just that the one core is also used for literally everything else
keen zealot
multicore lighting is either useless or worse than useless and was axed for that...
none of these statements are true
it is most definitely better than useless and has not been axed
wraith adder
where'd it go in 1.4
leinfors was posting in may 2020 about how it was actually causing performance drops before during 1.4.0.4, but that's admittedly the first google result
wraith adder
no, i mean the posts were about 1.3.5.3, it was gone in 1.4
keen zealot
and haven't checked video settings since before then
wraith adder
keen zealot
but it was definitely not its own fault that it was causing performance drops
The multicore lighting option was removed in 1.4 and the game always defaults to multicore lighting
but rather a conflict with some other bullshit
wraith adder
We are looking into re-implementing multicore lighting, but the multicore lighting in 1.3.5.3 was actually malfunctioning, which is why we removed it. So it may be some time until we can get it functional again for re-implementation.
keen zealot
because at least in 1.3 it alone caused measurably improved performance
for me*
and the stuttering with too many light sources was a massive problem before 1.4, multicore or not
wraith adder
guess it's time to get the official source, compile it, and profile to see what exactly's using your cpu time if you still have an install that reliably lags
keen zealot
reliably lags when there are literally multiple thousands of light sources in the world and especially on screen
not a problem in normal gameplay
hollow shell
(unless you're using a flamethrower)
deft yew
Photoviscerator left click
hollow shell
@mystic coyote Wrong channel?
mystic coyote
My b
robust lava
Future content sugg
frozen hornet
Soul spawn rate? Wha
short walrus
that just seems like a lot of hard work for something that wouldn't matter at all
also, 1.5 sugg instance
frozen hornet
It's also future content so 
@silver bramble you can't suggest things about the upcoming update
You have to wait until it releases first
silver bramble
ok
earnest raptor
Whats this bad sugg season?
bad suggestion season was since... forever?
fossil finch
There's days it's worse
earnest raptor
not sure if that's true
fossil finch
It is
earnest raptor
for how many days sugg channel exists?
fossil finch
Years
fossil finch
Ok uh that's on purpose
eternal escarp
@ashen warren yeah you cant suggest meme weapons like that
especially when you have 0 reasoning
and
@copper brook you should add reasoning
also, only the Astral Biome is a biome that converts blocks, how would a Sunken Sea solution work?
fossil finch
Calamity powder (does absolutely nothing because there is no such biome)
Ss powder is a thing that goes unused
eternal escarp
Astral Solution is also, a thing already
fossil finch
Ss powder is a thing that goes unused
(Precisely because it's not useful)
eternal escarp
so all the converting biomes have their solutions (and "water")
ashen warren
<@456226577798135808> yeah you cant suggest meme weapons like that
Replace the gel blaster from slime god
ashen warren
Who says?
fossil finch
Me omw to add abyss solution (doesn't do shit because there is no proper blocks to convert)
eternal escarp
the fact that you just suggested a meme weapon is enough for the whole suggestion to go down basically
glossy stone
Also requesting a c gun to be added just shows how much you've devolved as a person, just sayin'
fossil finch
Cope
eternal escarp
yeah the sugg has no chance to survive anyways so uh
ashen warren
Yeah no shit
eternal escarp
you could delete it now to save people's time (and save yourself from getting pinged by other people in this channel)
fossil finch
We have around six suggs
That's a bingo
(Moab one still exista even though the user was later properly told about moab's flight time so uh)
glossy stone
Did they remove the MOAB upgrade sugg ?
glossy stone
Ok cool
fossil finch
Time for it to be epicly denied idk
fossil finch
(Moab upgrades have been sugged before with little success if any)
Aside of that one guy that made an addon called moar balloons
Also refer to that merk message about not adding moab upgrades out of spite to defiled players
Byeah ig
small timber
the moab upgrade one already pass 200 i think
fossil finch
Yes
glossy stone
Also refer to that merk message about not adding moab upgrades out of spite to d...
Such a meanie :(
earnest raptor
defiled feather changes: you can't use double jumps
hollow shell
Hello @ashen warren do not make joke suggestions
@copper brook You need a reasoning for your suggestion, and explain what you mean too
(I think this one ding-dong-ditched so hard that they left the server)
sleek turret
We got a suggestion bingo.
fossil finch
Nevermind the fix moab sugg
I thought they had deleted it after being told about moab's flight time because of what they said
tardy smelt
I lost count of how many bad suggestions have been dumped already in this channel
cobalt pewter
A diamond in the rough
(that diamond has rarer chance than every single anime girls to be ever conceived)
brisk bramble
I lost count of how many bad suggestions have been dumped already in this channe...
Most good suggs that ISMT you or Storm
A few
sand umbra
desperation manifests in strange ways
people are so desperate for a release date they'll do anything to find one
even though they won't get one
anyway I'm not even gonna bother tryin' to ping all those people that have invalid suggestions in there right now because the truth of the matter is that they'll never fix them
fossil finch
We already did nyway
sand umbra
that too
even if I had any faith they would fix their mistakes, the lot of you have already had the pleasure of provin' me wrong anyway 
fossil finch
again, this is on purpose
manic canopy
i might have done another bad suggestion, but i tried harder dis time
dense bear
fossil finch
you clearly did not try harder
small timber
you should read the pinned message first regarding the "Suggestion Don't"
basically anything that fit the document have 0% chance of being implemented
an entire new difficulty is one of them, "content that requires huge amount of development time"
manic canopy
im doing that now, ill have a look at some more stuff and try again maybe tomorrow
or later today
manic canopy
you clearly did not try harder
i did i just didnt notice it was coming out
that one
small timber
ya there is a lot of limitation for moderation reasons, it is best if you look through it
grim tusk
I lost count of how many bad suggestions have been dumped already in this channe...
At least 7
Actually at least 20
Even though thats still a tiny aproximation
I also lost count
tardy smelt
the only one that doesn't have an ❗ yet is a crappy skill issue suggestion
and for the rest just
why
exotic stag
the only one that doesn't have an ❗ yet is a crappy skill issue suggestion
yeah
aureus spawns r killable. iirc
they r the one that home in on the player right?
the little planet right?
tardy smelt
yep
they're killable AND avoidable so I'm not even sure why it's passing into sugg voting
exotic stag
yeah they r killable
once you lower their hp they go invincible and chase the player down and slowly expand until exploding
tardy smelt
yeah
exotic stag
so @novel belfry this is just a skill issue on your part. they are infact killable AND avoidable.
tardy smelt
(note: it's already been pointed out to them)
tardy smelt
it's np
exotic stag
thick river
Anyone who posts a suggestion, first read over the dos and don’ts or your likely will have an invalid suggestion
wooden wedge
@dawn magnet read all of the sugg don'ts doc
dawn magnet
oh whoops I didn't realise
fossil finch
Bingo
wooden wedge
Lol
torn crown
People do be seeing 1-liner suggestions and then think "oh damn I think I can make something like that"
exotic stag
y'know what we should get? a bot that can detect like
certain things
like say a suggestion is too short or too long
exotic stag
yes a compressor
eternal escarp
that happans. it works
exotic stag
but i meant a bot
eternal escarp
it only worjs when a suggestion has a POSTING error when 24 hours pass
exotic stag
to automatically react that
eternal escarp
any Dont that are apparent obviously cannot be tracked by a bot
eternal escarp
its just that usually, those types of suggestions get caught by mods and get exclamed
torn crown
to automatically react that
Oh yeah, that reaction is only used by the bot iirc
exotic stag
lol
but yeah what i meant by a bot so y'know when rover is offline and no one else checks this channel like
it does it for them lol
eternal escarp
usually atleast 1 of the exclaming people logs on and can be notified so, lol
exotic stag
truee
exotic stag
(or if hes just lurking)
hot zephyr
hollow shell
byeah sorry I woke up too early and went back to sleep
hollow shell
Yep this is a suggestion.
exotic stag
yep
hollow shell
iirc it was intentionally excluded as a joke
to surprise players
But it could easily be added
exotic stag
i mean yeah sure jokes r cool
loud cloak
iirc it was intentionally excluded as a joke
hmmmm, in that case it could at least have a description that mentions a use for it, if it is still to be a joke
also, would it be a good idea to suggest titan heart description change
cus it's kinda eh
hollow shell
iirc the reason why it says "also" is because Terraria automatically puts text above it
I can't remember what text
maybe "Material"
Correct me if I am wrong.
half sage
yea
it's labelled as a material since it's used to craft titan heart armor
so it's not "also used at astral beacon", it's "material, also used at astral beacon"
zealous oriole
titan heart description seems fine to me
deft yew
Speaking of the eidolon tablet, I might like if it still worked post-Golem
hollow shell
It technically does if the Cultists are all dead after an LC attempt
deft yew
ohh
deft yew
They respawn pretty quickly don’t they?
deft yew
Makes sense
Either eidolon tablet could stop dropping post-Golem or have another use
Heck even removing “Consumable” from the tooltip post-Golem would work
hollow shell
Do you have issues with accumulating tablets while farming in the Dungeon post-Golem?
deft yew
Not particularly, no
It feels weird for it to be completely useless is all
yknow it could summon the adult wyrm in 1.5, we’ll just have to see
loud cloak
titan heart description seems fine to me
my main problem with it is that it's lackluster; could be much better + the also thing is exclusive to only that item
loud cloak
~~yknow it could summon the adult wyrm in 1.5, we’ll just have to see~~
(I can't see any point to this due to the adult wyrm being summonable with the RoD)
silver silo
Technically that’s only in the abyss
thick river
yeah might be useful to be able to fight it somewhere better
deft yew
but doesn't it enrage outside abyss l4
wooden wedge
First of all, it doesn't reference either it's other uses
@loud cloak it's only other use is as a crafting material which is stated as such with theMaterialpart of the item desc
loud cloak
i wasn't sure what the description was actually refferencing; the fact that it was also a material, or the fact that there was another item used at the astral beacon, hence the either
wooden wedge
^
loud cloak
it works, though it feels off to me
crude geode
Material covers it’s other functions fine.
Because that is the other function of it, as a material.
The wording on “also can be used at the beacon” is weird but the material complaint doesn’t really make sense.
hollow shell
@marsh obsidian What if you're trying to get those minibosses to spawn
marsh obsidian
They spawn so often with a battle pot/zerg rn that I feel it could be toned down and still be too high lol
Idk, maybe that's not the group consensus but that's how I see it
I put on a battle pot and probably 4 Plaguebringers spawned in the first 2 minutes. Zerg pots raise that even more
It just makes farming Angry Trappers and everything else so much more tedious imo
hollow shell
m, alright fair enough
keen zealot
trying to farm anything that isn't levi at normal ocean is literally impossible because anahita is always there as soon as she is capable of spawning
ex. sea shell from the sea snails
or the vanilla way of getting diving helmet
a couple other things
ruby plover
i do believe non-disappearing weapons do in fact disappear, but its like after a minute or so... which is really long
i agree with your suggestion tho
fossil finch
That's called better multiplayer mod
torn crown
I thought better multiplayer only had the thing where 1 player dying = everyone dying
frozen hornet
It also has the exact thing the poster wanted
torn crown
exotic stag
Sure that can work. seems fine to me
patent veldt
That's called better multiplayer mod
Is better multiplayer not a 1.4 mod tho
manic canopy
@patent veldt sorry for the ping but your suggestiong is a good idea i think
deft yew
that reminds me
should i repost my sugg about shortening boss titles
especially because i forgot about signus
exotic stag
Is better multiplayer not a 1.4 mod tho
its also in 1.3
just because a mod is in 1.4 doesnt mean its excluded in 1.3
exotic stag
should i repost my sugg about shortening boss titles
probably. seems like a good idea to have as a side option ngl
deft yew
alright draft incoming
deft yew
fair enough to wait
seems like a proper sugg would be more noticeable when not among this
tardy smelt
it's more that I'm lazy
deft yew
(although i agree with x-killa's sugg. celestial reaper is unfunny)
tardy smelt
I feel like it's somehow related to GP's latest upload
deft yew
no crafting 3?
tardy smelt
yeah
ashen warren
#suggestions-posting message
Seeing as how the background changes when you leave a biome this doesn't make much sense.
visual sparrow
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/9076835265587...
yup, you can see this, but not perfect in all situation. Sometimes its kinda gliched when 2 biomes are coming to each other or you mining area and had dirt wall (and u lazy af)
exotic stag
yup, you can see this, but not perfect in all situation. Sometimes its kinda gli...
the music.
and anyway @manic canopy i think this is an SIS
visual sparrow
the music.
actually I prefer my music instead of terraria music
exotic stag
actually I prefer my music instead of terraria music
you can also see enemy spawns.
manic canopy
the music.
what about? my suggestion or @visual sparrow's?
exotic stag
what about? my suggestion or <@!185098915719151617>'s?
yours
is an SIS
scvrs is fine somewhat
manic canopy
what do you mean by sis
exotic stag
specific sug
tardy smelt
oh
exotic stag
i just call it SIS cause funny short
visual sparrow
what do you mean by sis
you suggested it wrong, read pins
tardy smelt
well it's a "don't" in many ways
or
*three
-incorrect formatting
-too specific
-no good argumentation, anyway
exotic stag
also like this somewhat?
fossil finch
Nah
exotic stag
i said somewhat..
fossil finch
Wof isn't early
Not even somewhat
It could be argued to fall under "big effort" don't
tardy smelt
it's 30% into the game
more or less
that's not very early considering how big terraria is
visual sparrow
but @manic canopy edit it or wait for ping from mod
exotic stag
theres 3 major points in terraria. pre-hardmode hardmode and post ml which are like the "33 66 and 99%" standpoints
tardy smelt
theres 3 major points in terraria. pre-hardmode hardmode and post ml which are l...
well meh
post-ml is shorter than the other two
manic canopy
i read them , it says for asking to revamp bosses in reveneance is fine and he is decently early tho it doesnt take me to long to get to him rly
exotic stag
post-ml is shorter than the other two
true
manic canopy
i read them , it says for asking to revamp bosses in reveneance is fine and he i...
that isnt related to the first bit
tardy smelt
I'd say it's more like- 35%-75%-100%
exotic stag
i read them , it says for asking to revamp bosses in reveneance is fine and he i...
yes thats an image
dont mind
tardy smelt
don't argue it the way you currently do
visual sparrow
i read them , it says for asking to revamp bosses in reveneance is fine and he i...
construction of your suggestion is wrong af
exotic stag
like if its gonna be something about a boss suggestion. reason it with sugg discussion to get opinions first
and see if your initial wording is too specific
tardy smelt
argue it in the first place
not a very good example considering it never passed into dev voting b u t
exotic stag
yeah its close though so like
tardy smelt
if you're gonna suggest major boss changes give good reasons for that
exotic stag
it is like an example of an average thought out suggestion
visual sparrow
if you're gonna suggest major boss changes give good reasons for that
facts
exotic stag
also dont talk about specifically yourself
"i have an easy time getting to him and hes really easy for me"
thats just you
exotic stag
i feel like it should also be a dont to have like. personal views that are overly there
tardy smelt
I probably shouldn't have included my idea
tardy smelt
i feel like it should also be a dont to have like. personal views that are overl...
those rarely pass into dev voting, anyway
exotic stag
like sure some QOL suggestions like mine can have personal preference (my targetting one) because its just helpful really.
but for boss suggestions you should really consider the communities reaction
tardy smelt
and also
is it worth the trouble
since often those kinds of changes are major undertakings
exotic stag
yes
and then it can get the community mad and them make more suggestions based on it
tardy smelt
speaking of wof lemme draft something up rq
exotic stag
think of the community before yourself.
visual sparrow
or you can ask just for small things, like me
exotic stag
yeah
small things like qol are fine usually
like you can put some personal reasoning as like
a qol suggestion
but for stuff like wof? the community comes before the personal takes
deft yew
or you can ask just for small things, like me
Speaking of this, maybe the whole thing could flash for every phase change
deft yew
And be synced with special phase animations like Yharon’s
exotic stag
yeah like y'know how signus's tentacle face is hard to see when hes moving around? just like indicate a number count next to the healthbar for some of those bosses that do that
fossil finch
Eh
deft yew
That sounds more like an advanced HUD lol
deft yew
Something more subtle (such as just a flash) would work better imo
fossil finch
I don't think signus or brimmy need it tbh
deft yew
The rework could make it easier to tell
visual sparrow
Speaking of this, maybe the whole thing could flash for every phase change
that was good idea
fossil finch
Idk it is already easy to tell
hollow shell
(wow I woke up to a lot of new suggs)
@coral musk You could use a lil bit more of a reason why in your suggestion.
tardy smelt
hey at least they're not as garbage as yesterday amirite
hollow shell
@patent veldt This was suggested and delivered quite recently. Your suggestion isn't disallowed because of that but it probably doesn't need to exist #suggestions-voting message
patent veldt
I didn’t realise my bad
tardy smelt
compare it to just about any other boss and you'll see that none of them are anything like it
lmao
the concept is simple yet creative, the execution is creative yet kind of fails due to the mentioned lasers
like- I do want to insert that the entire underworld biome's designed with its fight in mind
fossil finch
It isn't
fossil finch
Like legit it is not
half sage
hell predates WOF so it's more the other way around
hollow shell
Yes I would definitely say WoF is the most unique boss in the game at its base concept
exotic stag
yeah
fossil finch
Wof was clearly not designed around hell's design even if buildings kill his lasers
exotic stag
the base concept of him being a movable wall is unique
but the execution is sort of bland
fossil finch
You need to clear buildings 99% of the time to properly fight wof
half sage
either way telegraphs would be nice but imo it'd still be a meh fight since it's "run in straight line and jump occasionally: the fight"
tardy smelt
You need to clear buildings 99% of the time to properly fight wof
I think that's partially due to how wof's fight evolved
exotic stag
the better way it would've been executed is somewhat like y'know how that chase scene from a sonic game went
tardy smelt
since higher difficulties just kept adding to its speed
exotic stag
where eggman would kill sonic upon touching the laser and you had to race metal sonic
fossil finch
Well yeah expert does not help yeah
But mainly no
Wof isn't really designed around hell gen
earnest raptor
Wof was clearly not designed around hell's design even if buildings kill his las...
you sure?
I guess buildings have been overhauled in 1.2?
fossil finch
I am because i have fought wof bridgeless in vanilla
exotic stag
I am because i have fought wof bridgeless in vanilla
same
fossil finch
It's not designed around it
Im pretty sure hell gen was never completely overhauled
exotic stag
its literally just like your fighting any boss in the wrong biome.
earnest raptor
in any biome without arena*
exotic stag
yeah
earnest raptor
exotic stag
any biome without prep is just like
"wow i never knew this impacted this boss so heavily so that its practically just dogwater"
fossil finch
I mean in general terraria bosses seem to be very arena centric even if they don't get arenas
(Golem is a myth)
fossil finch
I am choosing to ignore red's og 1.0 mp pt where they killed normal eye with iron tier swords or smt on 1.0 terraria worldgen
half sage
earnest raptor
pre-1.0.6 healing potions could be spammed
fossil finch
(Because of multiple reasons main one being that the game is very different now+ they used respawn cheese+the boss was hard only because undergeared)
earnest raptor
I mean
iron swords!
you didn't watch yrimir?
(yes, I am huge hypocrite because I watched him in 2016 so I am not true fan)
fossil finch
Mmmyes 100 eocs hallowed sword kill
earnest raptor
I am choosing to ignore red's og 1.0 mp pt where they killed normal eye with iro...
echraria was actually hard at some point
tardy smelt
how's the sugg itself btw
hollow shell
byeah this seems fine
tardy smelt
anything I could add to it/argument differently?
earnest raptor
byeah this seems fine
is byeah the expression of disgust?
tardy smelt
iirc (I hope) it just means "but yeah"
half sage
yea I'm all for WOF getting a telegraph or less spammy projectiles
hollow shell
is byeah the expression of disgust?
It's just "yeah" but funny
frail mantle
"but yeah" shortened into one word
tardy smelt
^^
loud cloak
would it be dumb to suggest different slimes falling in slike rain depending on which biome you are in
i have some more ideas for slime rain ready now
hollow shell
There wouldn't be much point in doing that but it'd be a nice touch I guess?
tardy smelt
^
but if you want to insert more ideas you're straying dangerously close to the "too specific" don't
exotic stag
yeah its probably just sugg channel having a "lot" of suggestions rn (air quotes cuz sarcasm)
hollow shell
There is a rule of 2 suggs max per day
tardy smelt
in total not per person I mean
you'd already hit the thousand suggs on average after merely a year and a half
which is a fucking lot
tardy smelt
who?
fossil finch
@cobalt pewter
tardy smelt
hollow shell
Oh
hollow shell
👍
tardy smelt
grim tusk
This WoF sugg
I am in 50/50
The lasers actually have a pattern
But they are boring and tedious
It becomes a rhythm game where if you miss the timing you get punished
And if WoF enrages you get fucked
ruby plover
It zooms and then slow block-piercing lasers
safe oasis
is actually a valid statement because HOW DO I TELL WHEN IT ENRAGES OR NOT
it screams loudly and goes way faster
deft yew
i'm referring to how do i stop it from enraging without mining for two years straight
hollow shell
That is not what you said
grim tusk
i'm referring to how do i stop it from enraging without mining for two years str...
stay close to WoF
uncut quiver
my holy ray sugg seems to have met the same issue as the two that the one guy posted about in here
It’s past 200 stars with no green check mark
hollow shell
ok
aight there
Spotted another one too
(and another)
Okay I'll do another star tally now, for like the past 2 months
Would be good to get the req raised before Drae update comes out and people flood in
uncut quiver
thanks
hollow shell
(and by "now" I mean in a little bit after I eat)
hollow shell
Okay cool I've done it
Over a 2 month span
Here are the star count graphs, with arbitrary values of note:
We definitely need to raise the requirement.
fossil finch
Sugg recession
hollow shell
Ideally the delivery rate would be around 20% to 25%
Here it is zoomed in on that area of interest
dapper coral
id say 300 because viewership of suggs is only gonna increase once dr drae rolls around
(also because round number happy)
hollow shell
mhm
Though, the amount of suggestions will also increase
So drowning will happen quicker
And I'm not sure how that maths out
dapper coral
true
yeahhh we probably wont know that until it happens
that being said id think more people are likely to lurk in #suggestions-voting to star things than to actually post a sugg themselves
keen zealot
if you're gonna increase it, start at 250
dapper coral
porque
grim tusk
Yea probably 250
hollow shell
Well even that would be like
37%
keen zealot
keyword is start
if, after a month, the pass rates are still too high for your liking, up it again
ashen warren
ye
keen zealot
imo a high passrate isn't necessarily bad
what matters more is the average time taken to get there
grim tusk
250 seems like the point of diminishing returns, 280 could probably be the optimal point
exotic stag
280 is like a "okay lets try this before seeing if it needs less or more"
hollow shell
byeah I think 280 is optimal, despite how unsatisfyingly close it is to 300
dapper coral
shifting to 250 and then changing it later seems a bit pointless given the data
especially considering that we're only gonna see higher star rates in the near future
280 at the very least
distant gyro
personally a 270 er
hollow shell
That's also fine
We did 170 at one point so it'd be like poetry, it rhymes
(deliver rate would still be a little high though)
hollow shell
btw shoutouts to this suggestion with the lowest star count I have seen in a long time
(though they technically got what they wanted, some of its strength was due to an oversight which has now been fixed)
languid quartz
damn
languid quartz
Over a 2 month span
Here are the star count graphs, with arbitrary values of not...
oh this is super cool
torn crown
btw shoutouts to this suggestion with the lowest star count I have seen in a lon...
Damn
exotic stag
btw shoutouts to this suggestion with the lowest star count I have seen in a lon...
close 2nd
but like
its 2 hrs old so like
hollow shell
Yeah recent suggs don't count
silver silo
my eyes
hollow shell
Not a fair comparison
loud cloak
There wouldn't be much point in doing that but it'd be a nice touch I guess?
I know, a few uses I could think of are murky sludge grinding / blighted gel, or if ore slimes could spawn (though that might be too overpowered) than it would also be neat
uncut quiver
hey Rover, is a suggestion only seen by the devs when it reaches that star req or do some reach it via discussion?
asking bc minor stuff like the yanmei's knife sfx thing was agreed with but didn't get the star req
and im curious about the process
fossil finch
#suggestions-voting message this is the latest sugg i can find and it isn't either
torn crown
uncut quiver
agreed with in the discussion channel is what i mean @torn crown
like positively discussed there
hollow shell
Suggestions are officially delivered to the dev server when they reach the req
There, they are officially tagged and voted on, and get the official approval/rejection on the sugg message here
torn crown
It does however remind me that one time Iban did a sigma male move and sprited a sugg right off the bat
hollow shell
Devs are of course free to look in this server and talk about suggs that don't reach the req
And even implement them, if they want
fossil finch
Can't wait for rotten brain matter
hollow shell
The star system is just a way for suggestions to end up in the dev server and be permanently recorded there as being something the public would like to see, cuz they reached 200 public star votes
I am of course a dev too and I see every suggestion that comes through regardless of the stars it ends up getting
... and being the sound effects guy I also just so happened to make Yanmei's Knife sound effects, with the guidance of the donor, because of your suggestion, and officially submitted them, even though your suggestion didn't reach the req
(I'll 🏁 the sugg once it gets implemented)
torn crown
Oh
uncut quiver
oh alright that makes sense
and you made some Yanmei's effects? niiice
can't wait to hear them when the update drops and my buddies do a playthrough
thanks for the explanation on how the system and interaction works here too
i like the dev interaction with the suggestions, discussing suggestions has always been fun for me so I'll definitely participate in here more (if I can think of any suggestions, don't wanna be bloating it here now)
silver silo
It does however remind me that one time Iban did a sigma male move and sprited a...
Technically I didn’t even get to suggest it I just asked about it and the chad did it on the spot
crude geode
Yeah certain things are so simple that it’s just a matter of being forgotten about tbh
uncut quiver
yea and some things are just too minor for some people to care about dropping a star for
silver silo
Hey question who here actually uses the vanilla flamethrower
uncut quiver
you know what I don't think I ever used it
silver silo
it costs souls of fright but nobody ever cares
has there been a suggestion before about letting it use cursed flames (and maybe ichor) as ammo
@hollow shell my man
hollow shell
Making flamethrowers use any ammo that isn't gel is apparently an absolute nightmare and may very well be completely impossible
silver silo
oof I had no idea
wait but what about different gels
pink, forgot the name of the calamity one
blighted?
hollow shell
When I say "gel" I mean "Gel", the item named "Gel"
hollow shell
The other items that're thematically similar have no bearing on the fact that they're different items in code
silver silo
honestly what did I even expect from an item from that long ago in terraria code
of course its that fucky
crude geode
A lawnmower from the sixties does indeed have better code than terraria
silver silo
alright well what about a sugg to add upgrades to it that DO allow the use of cursed flame and such
so at least it can be made INTO something less useless
hell why not biome flamethrowers that fire cursed flame, ichor and rainbows respectively
crude geode
making flamethrowers use any ammo that isn’t gel
silver silo
I assumed he meant the flamethrower considering he said the others are different items in code
also hey they don't have to have the ammo changed anyway, theres no cursed/ichor/rainbow flamethrower right
crude geode
The easier solution to this “problem” is to accept the fact that flamethrower is a group damaging weapon at a time where it isn’t really necessary
silver silo
🤷♂️
crude geode
I stg I bring this point up every time someone mentions a weapon that doesn’t perform well against bosses
silver silo
personally I just want to see a weapon that nobody cares about have some use even if its niche
and I mean lets be honest the concept of a cursed flamethrower has existed for ages
crude geode
I mean
The flamethrower’s niche is that it’s a piercing weapon in a mod where Daedalus + Holy Arrows gets nerfed
Plus it provides a large amount of light as well tbfh
silver silo
crude geode
Which is nice if you’re exploring underground oh hey I wonder what happens after you beat the mech bosses
hollow shell
Yes we could add a new weapon that spews cursed flames and uses them as ammo
though I don't know how difficult it would or wouldn't be to classify it as a "flamethrower"
because currently that classification is
any weapon that consumes Gel as ammo
(which is why Overloaded Blaster is a "flamethrower")
obsidian cove
When you say classify as a flamethrower, what’s changing because of that?
Is there damage boost for flamethrowers or something similar, or is it something about the behavior itself
hollow shell
Shroomite Visage
obsidian cove
Makes sense
silver silo
Yes we could add a new weapon that spews cursed flames and uses them as ammo
well I could suggest that then I guess right
hollow shell
You could but you'd need to be careful in your wording
You need to explain why an item like that would benefit the game/mod
crude geode
Also finding reasoning behind it would be a bit wack
silver silo
well what else do cursed flames have use for
obsidian cove
I guess couldn’t you set the ammo type to gel, return false for consume ammo, then manually consume/check for ammo in shoot and change the tooltip manually in modify tool tips?
Not 100% sure about that implementation but I don’t see why it shouldn’t work
silver silo
crafting and thats about it
also no wonder I felt like a cursed flamethrower was familiar, spazmatism LITERALLY DOES THAT
frozen hornet
Does it really need a use besides crafting though
hollow shell
You could say that about any material yeah
silver silo
I guess since you're gonna get a lot of it due to soul farming?
would be nice to have further use
crude geode
Bullets and Arrows
frozen hornet
Flasks as well
crude geode
Throughout the game????????
Cursed Flames and Ichor are universally used through the game because it’s DR reduction
hollow shell
The Cursed Flames debuff did get buffed quite a bit in Calamity yeah
Cursed Inferno, rather
silver silo
I see
crude geode
A weapon gets outclassed easily
A debuff from either bows or guns (whichever you don’t prefer using) that scales through the game doesn’t
silver silo
hollow shell
(in that aspect, Cursed Flames and Ichor actually get way more usage than many other raw crafting materials)
((if you're a strategic player))
silver silo
when I was thinking about it, something that came to mind was the weird idea of pixie dust being the hallow equivalent, used for rainbow ammo
but thats just a weird thought
crude geode
It is a bit odd that there isn’t actually a hallow debuff to mirror Cursed Inferno and Ichor, vanilla speaking.
silver silo
crystal has a unique effect but no debuff
also no crystal arrows
only holy arrows
of which there are no bullets
crude geode
Yeah Crystal would possibly be the equivalent (if it wasn’t massively underused by Vanilla)
silver silo
imagine a rainbow trailed bullet/arrow though
wait a second rover what the fuck does the clentaminator count as then
🤨
frozen hornet
Clentaminator is clentaminator
silver silo
it sort of shoots like a flamethrower
uncut quiver
cut straight to the chase: clentaminator that turns enemies into blocks depending on solution used, easy clap
as for a serious point: I think one avenue that could be improved on flamethrowers is buffing the DoT effect they apply (vanilla flamethrower applies the on fire effect that doesn't stack and does bad dps)
make it so you can apply multiple of the same DoT (of course I'm not well informed about how good the endgame calamity DoTs are so balancing would have to be done)
grim tusk
Maybe maybe maybe Oiled debuff?
A more reliable way than applying it would be nice lmao
grim tusk
Rather than huntress/red riding set + explosive trap
uncut quiver
yea just looked it up
I still think having DoTs stackable (we don't have to go RoR2 bleed stacking route but something that lets the DoTs shine more would be good) would be neat
would have to have some formula and some balancing because i think stacking one thing of god slayer inferno per hit of an endgame weapon would be busted no doubt
it would not only give flamethrowers some more love, but it would also open avenue to some new accessories and ways to buff/punish the player
having boss DoTs stack sounds kinda hellish though, it'd have to be balanced on both sides (player and enemy) if DoTs were made stackable
as for oiled, yea it'd be cool if we could get more ways to apply it (it would also probably have to be modified too because having each stack buffed by that much would be busted)
cobalt pewter
Not sure if cal did it already, but Oiled could maybe get a tweak to recognize debuffs with a specific "fire dot" tag instead of specific debuffs
(afaik oiled in vanilla just procs off specific debuffs instead of a category)
uncut quiver
that would be good too
I think another problem is that DoTs are muddied and given to so many non-flame related weapons that it makes flamethrowers lose what identity they barely had (besides good continuous crowd damage)
like
galaxy smasher
by itself, applies god slayer inferno, frostburn, and on fire
and it's just a hammer that has some lasers
I feel like the DoTs are just added to most endgame weps at that point (unless I chose the worst sample of galaxy smasher and this is not the case for other endgame weps)
when they should only be reserved for when they make sense, not just oh it's a cosmilite weapon it inflicts god slayer inferno now (just checked other weapons, they basically have the same problem as galaxy smasher just not with the frostbite/On fire)
you don't see this same problem in vanilla, as all of the endgame weapons do not apply any sort of DoT when it doesn't make good sense (it’s like if all vanilla ML weapons applied some random new DoT. I do get that the nature of the post-ML sets being very closely themed calls for a mentality where if one wep gets the DoT, all of them should, but this should not be the case [with exceptions]).
making DoTs a more focused and unique aspect of a weapon while also making them better by giving them stacking capabilities (with significant balance adjustments on both sides of course) would probably pave way for flamethrowers to stand out as a unique choice and for more cool ideas to be made (like more things that can apply Oiled, or things that mess with DoT stacking, or weapons that have conditial reqs related to DoT stacking)
that's just my take on the flamethrower situation and I'd be down to discuss it
frozen hornet
I feel like the DoTs are just added to most endgame weps at that point (unless I...
Exo weapon funnies
(this was on exoglad)
I like the idea of removing DoTs from weapons and buffing their damage
small timber
i think removing dots on most endgame weapons while buffing their damage is probably not feasible, too much dev time and balance nightmare
but nerfing weapons dots in general and buff certain dots for dots centric weapons might be good
although as of currently most dots do not do much against their respective boss tier (except cursed inferno and ichor which are debuff) so not even sure if nerf is necessary
uncut quiver
i think removing dots on most endgame weapons while buffing their damage is prob...
I think it’d honestly be worth it (the balancing wouldn’t be that bad bc most DoTs are inconsequential as you’ve mentioned) because it’d make for a much more clean feeling experience
it just has that cluttered mod energy right now where they slap shit on weapons just because
small timber
the problem is mostly just dev time, that is a lot of work for something most people do not care about
frozen hornet
Buff DoTs and remove them from most weapons
small timber
just personally i think people will care much more about viable dots weapon than removing dots from others
frozen hornet
the problem is mostly just dev time, that is a lot of work for something most pe...
They did rebalance all of post-ML so
uncut quiver
There’s no harm in at least trying to notify the devs about it
So imma post a sugg about it
crude geode
DoT don't matter specifically because it's given to every single weapon in a tier
frozen hornet
Ye
crude geode
The only current method to make a debuff weapon viable is to give it debuffs from way beyond the current point. It's why Mythril Knives apply goddamn God Slayer Inferno
crude geode
yep
small timber
mainly if there is stackable dots, currently (though I definitely miss some) the only one i can think of is vanilla daybreak debuff
crude geode
Weapons with said debuffs as the main draw could be made a lot more strong if they're not given to literally every single weapon in a given tier (i.e. stop giving every plague debuff to all of the plague weapons).