""Everyone plays expert"" so it is fine now
#suggestions-discussion
fossil finch
deft yew
not like you particularly need stuff like absorber for normal anyway 
wooden wedge
""Everyone plays expert"" so it is fine now
cal is meant to be played after you know the game sooo
player issue,
wooden wedge
also I like really doubt that craw carapace is that much harder to get in hardmode if its spawn rate isn't even touched
(which I really doubt it is)
fossil finch
the quotes are to remark the 3 people that do not play expert to this day
wooden wedge
lol
deft yew
also I like really doubt that craw carapace is that much harder to get in hardmo...
the issue is it being drowned out by other, separate hardmode spawn rates
earnest raptor
not like you particularly need stuff like absorber for normal anyway <:HDfailure...
I am wondering if musket still can carry through mechs
deft yew
I sat in a giant open cave with 10x spawnrate for quite some time and got two shellies, no drop
wooden wedge
the issue is it being drowned out by other, separate hardmode spawn rates
is that how it works? I thought there were just extra creatures added to the spawn table
deft yew
That could be it. Not entirely sure
wooden wedge
if it's not how it works or similar then I gave vanilla too much credit
deft yew
earnest raptor
is that how it works? I thought there were just extra creatures added to the spa...
yeah, pre-hm creatures are rarer
deft yew
Meanwhile hardmode scaling “”system”” making shellies hit harder than armored skeletons
earnest raptor
it's not like green slime with 200 damage
loud cloak
oh did i write the amalgam?
deft yew
Every time except the last one, ye
loud cloak
ok read through the whole thing will just delete the sugg
hollow shell
aight.
loud cloak
i still think it would be a good idea to boost sea snail spawn rates though, bc they are still exceedingly rare, and still painful to farm in hardmode
hollow shell
You can suggest that
deft yew
This but with crawdad and shelly
hollow shell
(I don't know exactly how possible spawn rate modification is, but we can try)
Sea Snails are definitely rarer than those two
loud cloak
This but with crawdad and shelly
agreed but only in hardmode
shelly and crawdad are super common in prehard but i haven't seena single one in hardmode
deft yew
Post-ML iirc
loud cloak
oh ok
loud cloak
(I don't know exactly how possible spawn rate modification is, but we can try)
it was done with voodoo demons, right
that might be different cus they are an anemy variant
grim tusk
#suggestions-voting message 7 more
#suggestions-voting message 4 more
#suggestions-voting message 2 more
spiral knoll
torn crown
Has anyone suggested for ripper/stealth UI's to be optionally transparent in the config?
grim tusk
#suggestions-voting message 6 more (cuz i saw it next to the last one and done) (just use Vanities mod lol)
grim tusk
Has anyone suggested for ripper/stealth UI's to be optionally transparent in the...
No
Sounds like a good idea though
torn crown
It seems way too simple and viable to be passed up so I had some doubts
grim tusk
@sonic anvil formatting and more reasoning
Give the sugg a title
And expand on the reasoning
You know you could have just edited the suggestion rather than deleting it?
torn crown
Suggestion Draft: Add a transparency option for Adrenaline, Rage, and Stealth Bars in the config
The meters' opaqueness can take up a part of the screen. In most cases, they are placed on the sides in to maximize what the player can see. Adding an option to make them as transparent as the user wants them to be would not only solve the problem of the meters blocking the view, but would also make having them in the center of the screen a viable option
Something I whipped up in 5-ish minutes
You think it's good enough to be posted?
sonic anvil
You know you could have just edited the suggestion rather than deleting it?
I did not think about that...
deft yew
also um
grim tusk
And expand on the reasoning
You maybe expanded a bit too much but having an excess is better than lacking
deft yew
level meters increase proficiency gains
sonic anvil
I am aware level meters increase that, but I still feel like it's too slow of an increase
and I did mention that I had a level meter for each test run for each class
torn crown
I usually don't care much about proficiency, they pop up and I go "oh cool"
Also proficiency's getting a fat nerf in 1.5
sonic anvil
I called it a stat meter by mistake, cus I didn't remember what it was called
deft yew
I usually don't care much about proficiency, they pop up and I go "oh cool"
Als...
cough summon proficiency cough
torn crown
torn crown
Suggestion Draft: **`Add a transparency option for Adrenaline, Rage, and Stealth...
Actually fuck it I'm posting the sugg
clearly there's not much to go wrong in 
If any
grim tusk
Yep if it aint broke dont fix it
sonic anvil
It wouldn't even be that big of an issue if the proficiency system didn't give you class buffs
if it was just completely cosmetic, it'd be fine
hollow shell
"with how important Proficiency is to Calamity"
hm
The sugg overall seems fine though
fossil finch
It isn't that important at all I'd say
Mostly next update
And
Most would tell you that farming proficiency is jusy
Playing the game
deft yew
@loud cloak btw there IS a way to stop ??? from spawning by the time you can make the absorber and there still will be in 1.5
fossil finch
By playing the game alone you already get all proficiency levels needed
loud cloak
<@!641022187486314506> btw there IS a way to stop ??? from spawning by the time ...
what is that
fossil finch
Maybe not all of the post moonlord one but that has to do with a lack of enemies to kill
loud cloak
(lore doesnt work at all)
fossil finch
Lore does work
loud cloak
it doesnt work in multiplayer
loud cloak
and its rally buggy
fossil finch
It does if all players have it on afaik
hollow shell
I don't think so, no
deft yew
doesn't work in multi
fossil finch
In any case you still have to mention it
deft yew
nothing works in multi so i'll give you that one
loud cloak
true
fossil finch
Because it does exist and it does work, just not in mp
hollow shell
Nah
loud cloak
(lore effect)
hollow shell
The ones for boss spawn preventions will stay
loud cloak
aren't they?
hollow shell
on new items
loud cloak
ohhh hmm
hollow shell
All other lore item effects are leaving.
deft yew
except cryo lore which goes to ornate shield
loud cloak
ill mention that specifically for multiplayer ig?
deft yew
ill mention that specifically for multiplayer ig?
isn't it really hard to fix multi bugs tho
loud cloak
i think it is
which is why the sggestion isn't to fix the bug, but to boost the spawn rat4es
hollow shell
Instead of sayin "and there is no way to prevent it from spawning" you could say "and the only way to prevent it from spawning is a post-Leviathan lore item, which doesn't even work in multiplayer"
or somethin along those lines
loud cloak
sounds good
hollow shell
Actually iunno how well it'd go over mentioning a current bug as part of the sugg reasoning
I do not know if its fixed for 1.5
I can try to find out
deft yew
yknow absorber is only craftable post-cultist right?
so the post-levi part is a non-issue
hollow shell
This is true
however Sea Shell is still an item that exists with an effect
s'not just an ingredient
loud cloak
sea shell is mainly good really early on
hollow shell
(even though for all intents and purposes... it is just an ingredient)
loud cloak
and it's almost harder to grind it in pre-hm due to lack of zerg pots
loud cloak
(even though for all intents and purposes... it is just an ingredient)
yea pretty much
loud cloak
Actually iunno how well it'd go over mentioning a current bug as part of the sug...
im just not sure how to word it so that it doesn;t mention a current bug, but doesn't say there's no way to prevent it from spawning either
hollow shell
The bug isn't mentioned on the doc
loud cloak
which doc?
hollow shell
bugdoc
hollow shell
Sure I grant you my official permission to mention it
loud cloak
im also debating suggesting to add a useful function for slime rain, though im not sure if that falls into the "dont" for new events
loud cloak
true, but it would be kind of like an overhaul of the event, which could count
hollow shell
.. what do you have in mind
grim tusk
i hope that doesnt suffer the same fate as the blizzard suggestion
loud cloak
it wouldn't be anything ridiculous like "add a new boss" or "add tiered progression items & new equipment" and stuff, not fully developed yet, but it would be smth related to slime grinding
loud cloak
i hope that doesnt suffer the same fate as the blizzard suggestion
can you link that one?
grim tusk
loud cloak
that one seems a bit too ambitious and specific at the same time
so wouldnt be like that
glass sentinel
#suggestions-voting message
this may seem like me being a pedant, but doesnt this sugg need the chequered flag, since its been added, no?
dapper coral
doesnt sound like it's added yet though
dapper coral
it be like that sometimes
glass sentinel
it do be like that
ruby plover
also iirc there is a rule to not suggest past content
hollow shell
@edgy yew Bad.
mighty knot
what rover said
frail mantle
No
glass sentinel
ruby plover
nice try
silver silo
torn crown
#suggestions-voting message 1 more vote
earnest raptor
@broken current no upcoming content
broken current
<@!695613220534091874> no upcoming content
ok
hollow shell
She already has something special for her dash
ashen warren
An idea that I had that may have been said before by others, is to maybe change Calamitas' name to Calamitas Clone or Clonelamitas and change Scal's name to Calamitas. It doesn't make much sense how you figure out because it just randomly says "The Calamitas Clone has been defeated!" and doesn't explain how you figured it out. Maybe her dialogue has been changed to infer she is a clone in 1.5 but I dunno.
I don't know if the devs planned to change it when she gets resprited, maybe they have said but I have no clue.
hollow shell
There's the lore item that drops from her on first kill which explains that she's a clone
hollow shell
I don't think it's too big a deal to have the "narrator" of the status messages glean some new info
wooden wedge
Yeah, but you won't have read it yet.
because you're supposed to figure it out after
hollow shell
It does inform the player of other events that happen in the world
hollow shell
because you're supposed to figure it out *after*
I think he means that on the instant you kill her, you wouldn't have been able to read the lore item that drops a few seconds later, to learn that she was a clone
ashen warren
I think he means that on the *instant* you kill her, you wouldn't have been able...
Yes.
And Sandstone did you quit as a moderator?
wooden wedge
I don't see what difference it makes if it was instant or like 2 seconds after
ashen warren
It doesn't matter that much more of an idea.
hollow shell
@old storm You need to explain why an item like that should be in the mod
old storm
<@!541350373525553153> You need to explain why an item like that should be in th...
oh sorry :)
ill do it now
hollow shell
There are a few self-hurt weapons in the mod already, but they're not usually used for big damage trade-offs
Lucrecia has self-hurt because it grants i-frames, Nullification Pistol and Matter Manipulator have self-hurt because they're funny gimmick weapons
and I think Thorn Blossom is just for thematics
old storm
There are a few self-hurt weapons in the mod already, but they're not usually us...
I didn't know this :)
hollow shell
(That, and True Melee tends to invoke riskier gameplay anyway, cuz you need to get close to a boss/enemy to use those kinds of weapons)
old storm
it was mostly a passing thought but i think it could work if done properly
hollow shell
mm.
Passing thought suggestions aren't really recommended, especially if they start with a cool item idea first and then you try to work in why it'd benefit the mod afterward
This isn't the worst offender but the reasoning still could use more to it
grim tusk
Simple use everclear while using melee
loud cloak
btw, the suggestion bot is down, right
hollow shell
Why do you ask
Ah
Just realized those sugg-posting posts were from yesterday and not earlier today
keen zealot
might have to notify brav to notify amber
loud cloak
Oh amber does the bot
hollow shell
m @zenith hazel
zenith hazel
notified amber
zenith hazel
revival
loud cloak
\👌
hollow shell
@uncut quiver You won't need to worry about that next update. The Paladin's Hammer line is becoming melee only.
uncut quiver
oh
I'll miss my funny galaxy smasher
No need for that suggestion then, I'll go delete it
uncut quiver
yea I checked changelogs to make sure no conflicting info was stated, so I was a little confused
But it’s fine, makes sense
visual sparrow
Did I have ping or something, when my sugestion was accepted or canceled?
hollow shell
Nah you aren't pinged for that.
A little over an hour left before the dev vote's finalized on your sugg
visual sparrow
Okay, can u ping me in this channel about my suggestion, please?
hollow shell
Not an invalid suggestion but it conflicts with Fab's idea of what Proficiency should be
ashen warren
Terraria is a gear based game, I think having significantly lower damage because you speedran through a lot of the game is kinda dumb.
keen zealot
(And don't worry, you didn't miss that info. It was not in changelogs)
151 - Removed melee variants of rogue weapons and rogue variants of melee weapons. - Done ✅
Wouldn't that fall under this?
keen zealot
It's nonspecific and a year old so I still don't blame them
but you are technically incorrect on the internet so
fossil finch
idk man you get it pretty fast
just playing the game™️ (Copyrighted) already yields about all proficiency you need reasonably
wait did this person unironically say that proficiency could give ranger homing on all projectiles as an example
i know it is an example but this is basically zero sense of the arbitrary way of balancing terraria i think of
failure
grim tusk
Wouldnt this be a ❗ due to the changelogs?
fossil finch
Not an invalid suggestion but it conflicts with Fab's idea of what Proficiency s...
,.
(which kinda means it is not gonna be accepted anyways much probably mayhaps)
torn crown
Maybe the sugg can try a different direction than a flatout proficiency damage boost?
cobalt pewter
It's not violating any don'ts, the proficiency thing
But it might be a fairly warm take
earnest raptor
RPG mods are all bad, except Leveled.
exotic stag
Maybe the sugg can try a different direction than a flatout proficiency damage b...
i had one of those ideas
i dont think i ever posted it lol
it was about giving other optional ways to gain proficiency that allow it to be seen by players. while not going out of its way to be just fighting
loud cloak
iirc, proficiency is meant to be a fairly minor buff to the class, like it's not a huge thing
karmic stone
consider that it has like no drawback so buffing it because yea would be funny
if your pt gets long enough for whatever reason you can currently get an almost emblem's worth of damage for existing
torn crown
consider that it has like no drawback so buffing it because yea would be funny
they already nerfed proficiency for 1.5; it'd be somewhat redundant to bring that back
unique reef
As a summoner, I feel I am kicked in the butt by the nerf
fossil finch
not really
wow -2 summon slots
completely useful when all the lategame ones require more than that
grim tusk
And most summons are getting buffed to compensate
Either by stats or cost reduction, likely both
No more dumb min maxing minion slots
deft yew
Now that I think about it
Why do other classes gain proficiency slower now, except for summoner which gets it really fast already?
lucid flare
i feel like you may have misinterpreted something
slow spruce
RPG mods are all bad, except Leveled.
I played leveled once and killed Scal on my first try with unoptimized gear. Leveled=ez mode
hollow shell
? Yeah since when did we say they gain proficiency slower?
@deft yew
It's referring to the benefits of proficiency levels
deft yew
Oh, stat gains, sorry lo
lucid flare
yeah they're just lesser gains instead of being slower
deft yew
I would guess slot shaving will help summoners not get proficiency so fast?
hollow shell
Technically yes? But it was more so just a direct power nerf
Summoner always benefited from proficiency way more per level, compared to other classes
cuz of the slots
fossil finch
Did you know because of how proficiency gain works summoners do get it faster
hollow shell
Yes Ender that is what Lankynel is talking about
deft yew
cuz of the slots
Ah yes, +5% damage is just as balanced as +200% damage
hollow shell
Indeed, hence their removal
slow spruce
Maybe instead of taking away all slots from summoner prof you could gain 1 at max level?
deft yew
I bet I’ll hardly be able to fit an immaterializer lol
Or did its requirement get reduced
earnest raptor
I mean
fossil finch
Immaterializer comes first anyways
earnest raptor
vanilla equipment can get immaterializer slots
hollow shell
The testers would pick up on something like that, dw
exotic stag
should i still suggest my proficiency suggestion from a while ago that i had?
the one with optional ways to get it other then fighting
dapper coral
I bet I’ll hardly be able to fit an immaterializer lol
you can absolutely get an immaterializer with 5 or so slots to spare
uncut quiver
@hollow shell was it ever specified where the MOAB change puts it now in the progression?
hollow shell
"You could even make it combine with something like an Abyssal Mirror and make a hybrid upgrade called the DDT."
alright that's a bit too much there
wooden wedge
also i brought this up in VC and it was denied by everyone lol
hollow shell
But, I do like the idea of having jumps be a viable alternative to wings throughout the game
Give the player some mobility options
sleek wadi
MOAB upgrades and wingless tread upgrades would be nice
wooden wedge
just use normal set wings
ashen warren
It might make Defiled a bit easier, unless it also counts as wings.
wooden wedge
at the point you have wing treads the other wing options all pretty much have a higher horizontal mobility modifier don't they
also movement speed is getting fixed next update iirc so there's that
fossil finch
Moab upgrades (fake
uncut quiver
I just feel like after ML your only wing option is winged treads which feels wack (unless im missing some cool wings I could be crafting)
ashen warren
I just feel like after ML your only wing option is winged treads which feels wac...
As far as I know most post-ml armor sets have wings.
uncut quiver
i didnt see any god slayer wings, might be a blind mf tho
ashen warren
There's 4 post-ml wings.
uncut quiver
"You could even make it combine with something like an Abyssal Mirror and make a...
yea I like to just throw fun suggestions at the wall but that hybrid upgrade would prob be going too far
uncut quiver
There's 4 post-ml wings.
Doesn’t help that one of them combines with wing boots to make them better
although I will go look at the other ones
hollow shell
yea I like to just throw fun suggestions at the wall but that hybrid upgrade wou...
Best to exclude off-the-wall ideas like those from your suggs, to improve your chances
uncut quiver
yea I just removed that off-the-wall one
fossil finch
Godslayer will get wings next update
Or well a jetpack
Or well a hoverboard
Idk don't ask don't know
In any case the difference between wings and tracers usually make wings better for the most part
uncut quiver
mmm fair
still, late game MOAB upgrade would be sick
normal wings give stats and winged boots are just overall good, but there’s nothing for bottle enthusiasts past the MOAB (using MOAB with unicorn mount is amazing, so many jumps)
hollow shell
Godslayer will get wings next update
er, iunno if that's confirmed
fossil finch
I mean if they're not next update they're supposedly coming, aren't they?
hollow shell
Yes we do eventually want to add them, but I don't think we got acceptable sprites in time
for 1.5 at least
uncut quiver
the MOAB is already pretty strong as-is is it not
it’s strong in the progression time it’s given but I never hear anyone speaking of it post ML
wooden wedge
well yeah it's a early hardmode item
why tf would you expect it to be useable post ML
uncut quiver
Well you’re using it as an argument to say why it shouldn’t get a post ML upgrade
Which confuses me
wooden wedge
you were the one who compared it to seraph tracers
uncut quiver
ok i admit my sentence in the sugg was confusing
What i mean is that the moab can’t compare to post ML options bc it just doesn’t get the opportunity to
Winged boots get to scale, wings get to scale, but MOAB gets left behind
wooden wedge
well yeah if it could it'd be broken
uncut quiver
really? would a MOAB upgrade be broken?
Im not talking about buffing the moab here
Im just talking about giving it an upgrade
wooden wedge
...pretty much it'd be broken
uncut quiver
could you explain bc i don’t see how
wooden wedge
jump speed OP
uncut quiver
huh
fair enough i guess
Don’t know enough about jump speed to really argue so I’ll just take your word for it
(Still gonna keep the suggestion because I think it’d be cool)
crystal iron
jump speed OP
Correct me if I'm wrong but Doesn't jump speed only make a noticeable difference to flight speed. And since you can't equip both the moab and wings it shouldn't be a problem
uncut quiver
i dont even know what jump speed affects bc i barely felt the difference, even with the aero stone
i just thought it affects how fast you go up
when jumping
deft yew
Correct me if I'm wrong but Doesn't jump speed only make a noticeable difference...
Jump speed affects jump speed (and therefore jump height)
Byeah it also affects ascent speed
MOAB is weird because its boost is weaker than frog leg and also disables frog leg
On top of crapping with extra jumps because it’s wings
keen zealot
too janky
deft yew
It is normally but it’s hard to use
Defiled ruins it but why would you use wings in defiled anyways lol
hollow shell
the MOAB is already pretty strong as-is is it not
two kinds of people ig
keen zealot
if you removed the rocket boots/wings effect but still made it count as wings it would be more useful
unironically
fossil finch
You use other type or wings on defiled
Like fin wings that are GOD jumpspeed
Or statboosting ones
keen zealot
also don't make it block fleg please
gray venture
so true
uncut quiver
even tho MOAB is jank I still like it with unicorn
dash into unicorn for that big speed then just jump around with 4 jumps
and it saved my ass in PBG by letting me adjust to its direction changes in its diagonal dashes (where just using wings would have gotten me hit bc wings have to cancel the downward momentum before they start bringing me up)
of course if I was by myself I could just react to it adjusting but multiplayer moment + sometimes you're not always gonna predict right so having that sudden movement in a pinch is nice
grim tusk
Correct me if I'm wrong but Doesn't jump speed only make a noticeable difference...
this guy doesnt know about JUMP GOD
if anything a MOAB upgrade would add is fart on a balloon, Pink balloon and some more flight time
but considering the amount of jump boost it already grants
only more flight time and flight speed seems reasonable
anything else would be pretty fucking busted
grim tusk
based on min-maxing jump speed
It is comically overpowered
grim tusk
Jumping from bottom of the world to top sounds ridiculous, idk how Kirn did it
uncut quiver
a lot of springs of course
deft yew
…again how did that proficiency sugg get through
crude geode
iirc it's technically valid?
hollow shell
Yes it is valid, it just conflicts with what Fab thinks proficiency should be
It can still get sent to the dev server and potentially open up the opportunity for a dev discussion about it
I know we've told suggs to get deleted cuz it conflicted with dev visions before, so sorry for the inconsistent rulings
slow spruce
Do we know where moab was moved in progression?
small timber
if exactly "by a tier" probably post plantera
fossil finch
No?
slow spruce
If they're buffing it then maybe post planterra but I thought they were nerfing it?
fossil finch
Did they move moab and i completely missed it
small timber
9 - Moved MOAB up a tier by making the player acquire it later.
don't know how to forward the message sorry
oh wrong one
fossil finch
That's from 2019
hollow shell
That is indeed from 2019
hollow shell
The jump speed boost (#269) will indeed be 1.5
hot zephyr
MOAB was good on the live build and is even better on the test build but it's an acquired taste tbh
Having an upgrade would be interesting just add more variety to wing types
Although it could probably get out of hand fast
I'm neutral on this
brisk bramble
Naaaaaah
Hooks better imo
thick river
I think its nice to have lots of different options for mobility
brisk bramble
Hook flinging is bae.
Bit ig if ya pair it with jump speed
It wpuld be awsome
slow spruce
Having an upgrade would be interesting just add more variety to wing types
Too bad you can't do specific item suggestions. Outcast balloons (Pink Balloon + Green Balloon) and some luminite bars = BFB or ZOMG. 5 jumps OP OP
hollow shell
@distant gate The biome name's Brimstone Crags, and the block is Brimstone Slag
Otherwise a fine suggestion
distant gate
Ok
hollow shell
The slag has a special texture that's different from most other textures that have those kinds of transitions
but we might be able to work something out?
hollow idol
dreaded slag styled sheeting
sonic anvil
Is it just me or does Slag sound like a slur of some kind?
ripe owl
Um
Fabsol said that proficiency never was ment to be a big ass upgrade
It's just little boosts to your offensive stats and that's literally it
That's why minion slots from proficiency levels were removed
hollow shell
Mhm
ripe owl
I am right, right?
hollow shell
Yeah the suggestion does indeed conflict with Fab's desires
hollow shell
Yes it is valid, it just conflicts with what Fab thinks proficiency should be
It...
.
ripe owl
Oh sorry didn't see that
cobalt pewter
- Incorrect format.
- No reasoning.
- Uh, you unsure there?
hollow shell
@limpid lotus You need to provide reasoning with your suggestion, separated from a top topic/summary line using a line break (Shift+Enter)
You can see the two suggestions above yours for reference
frozen hornet
Exo mech blueprints for a painting could be cool
ruby plover
i feel like that would be a cool thing for calamity's vanities
they already have blueprints for regular mechs, auric armour, aureus, and some other things
glass sentinel
@alpine fjord pins
also
You need to provide reasoning with your suggestion, separated from a top topic/summary line using a line break (Shift+Enter)
alpine fjord
k i have stupid
glass sentinel
all g
torn crown
Doesn't this count as suggesting on future content?
ashen warren
Is it just me or does Slag sound like a slur of some kind?
thats because it is
ashen warren
One meaning ye
hot zephyr
@alpine fjord changes to demonshade armor and the stats of exo armor have already been decided
hollow shell
And also, Exo armor future content
as is Demonshade's move to SCal
You can suggest stuff related to that once 1.5 is out
alpine fjord
ah
candid grove
and guide and tax collector
hollow shell
Also the suggestion could use a bit more reasoning
copper coyote
and yeah he is the Angler, not Fisherman
yes
Sorry, I don't know English, that's how the translator translated it
hollow shell
Ah, understandable
(You should still edit your suggestion to fix the name error, @copper coyote
so that people aren't confused)
copper coyote
edited, I hope everything translated correctly?
hollow shell
Yeah that's better
Another correction though: It should be "the angler", instead of "a angler"
Thank you
(There are a few other things I think would improve the suggestion...
but the language barrier would likely make communicating that somewhat difficult
So, you can just leave it as is)
copper coyote
right, thank you
sleek turret
@loud cloak Fargo's Mutant alredy has an mechanic that makes silt and related stuff have a lowered use time.
loud cloak
Fargo's mutant isn't calamity, it's a different mod, and not everyone wants to use fargo's mutant in their playthrough
split grove
does it work on power cells though
loud cloak
^ also that yea
sleek turret
Fair point
exotic stag
gotta agree though. good qol
sleek turret
Indeed.
loud cloak
true
grim tusk
#suggestions-posting message luxors is already getting nerfed next patch isnt it?
Also strange that it mentions only flamethrowers and not eldritch tomes and p90
distant gyro
doesn't luxor ranger cause an iframe mess anyway
at some point it decreased photo's primary dps by just about 50%
yeah, not increase, decrease
fossil finch
does it work on power cells though
It does
eternal escarp
Also strange that it mentions only flamethrowers and not eldritch tomes and p90
they are prolly doing a ranger playthrough and only checked that weapon, seeing as they didnt mention any other weapon in particular because they "didnt check"
sand umbra
better question is when the hell Elf Melter was made good enough to warrant usin' it ever
uncut quiver
i don't know if the Holy Ray SFX line in the changelogs addresses the chargeup or the actual ray itself (because I know it already has some sounds for its Holy Ray when it fires), but it'd be nice to have both a good audio and good visual indicator
fossil finch
Vanilla flamethrowers (real)
ashen warren
@loud cloak I really like this idea. Reducing the use time would be awesome.
frozen hornet
Both of them sucked last I used 
ashen warren
one of them is absolute garbage and the other is garbage
deft yew
<@!641022187486314506> I really like this idea. Reducing the use time would be ...
draedon cells already extractinate super fast so this would just apply to blocks, byeah
tardy smelt
one of them is absolute garbage and the other is garbage
flamethrower is decent at events/crowd control
and worms if you can use it properly
but it's a bit harder to use than most other weapons
grim tusk
why would you ever use elf melter over terra flameburster
grim tusk
draedon cells already extractinate super fast so this would just apply to blocks...
Fargo's Mutant moment
fossil finch
Fargo's mutant isn't calamity, it's a different mod, and not everyone wants to u...
'Bout that
"Not everybody plays with fargos mutant/wants to" is kind of flawed if there's something of mutant you do not like, chances are you can toggle it or just not use it
+calamity doesn't have to have every qol at once anyways
"But #change-" shh; changes directly applied because a dev wanted don't apply here
exotic stag
so uh
any ideas how i can word the optional proficiency sugg or no since im still lost
uncut quiver
what is it exactly? is it the one where you do sort of side quests to get proficiency?
loud cloak
draedon cells already extractinate super fast so this would just apply to blocks...
still not fast enough imo
exotic stag
what is it exactly? is it the one where you do sort of side quests to get profic...
no let me get it rq
up here
uncut quiver
you could have a station that lets you create a custom target practice arena (like break the targets), and it gives you proficiency when you complete one (ofc the proficiency gain would scale with stuff such as course length but it’s a neat idea, you could also force players to use a “training weapon” during the target practice to level the playing field and prevent piercing weapons from dominating)
just an off the wall idea I had related to your idea of the station
exotic stag
actually that sounds better then what i had originally
like a draedon station that props up holographic targets and you can choose which classes proficiency you want and its based off of accuracy
or if you were lazy then an optional way that gives less exp but is automatic
uncut quiver
yea that, it’d also be cool to make custom target arenas if that was added too
Having accuracy be a factor is something I forgot, that would be good
exotic stag
yeah
deft yew
does that fall under serious new content because it sounds like a coding headache
exotic stag
does that fall under serious new content because it sounds like a coding headach...
well i mean it can be like reworked sort of
its just options y'know.
few little examples on like how it may look but its not exact
and a few ideas on how the function could work
deft yew
imagine if it teleported you to like a simulation of each major biome lab
uncut quiver
Ik trove does something like that but tbf they have a lot more to work with (such as instances and portals)
Where you place physical objects that, upon flipping the switch, will become breakable targets or capturable flags, etc.
uncut quiver
imagine if it teleported you to like a simulation of each major biome lab
This would be cool too tho
exotic stag
yeah like a spawner of sorts
uncut quiver
Yea
exotic stag
the reason why i thought of hologram targets is entirely because of astral chain
the aim tests
uncut quiver
That works well, only problem is that aim tests like those are a lot better in 3D
exotic stag
yeah
uncut quiver
Still would work though
exotic stag
yeah like moving targets would still work better.
still gotta figure out how to word it though
Add other ways to obtain proficiency stats
Proficiency is an overlooked function that just gets thrown by just saying "oh i got a proficiency level. probably not gonna help in the long run" So what i thought of was more ways to earn these specific stats that are optional for the player but still go out of their way to feel like proficiency is overlooked. by either adding one station or multiple stations that train stats. This'd probably make proficiency feel more "oh hey im here too dont forget me" then just "oh i got a level. probably gonna forget about it later"
Hows this?
uncut quiver
Yea that works, could specify how it trains stats but as rover said, taking off-the-wall suggestions out of the suggestion will make it succeed more likely
exotic stag
yeah
i just thought of "why not just make it more included in the game other then just a secondary mechanic"
uncut quiver
So just having that as a general suggestion, maybe including “training stats by doing extra activities” or something involving the word “activity”
Other than that seems good as general suggestion wording goes
uncut quiver
True
exotic stag
yeah i was thinking of this
like the "inclusion" just feels like its not forgotten right after you obtain it
uncut quiver
Yea some form of minor side activity would be good
exotic stag
thats why i said multiple or one station
uncut quiver
yea
exotic stag
actually i kinda got an idea in my head thats defo SIS but its a good thought anyway
You'd find the stations in these huts with like an actuated statue of the class in question. once you right click on the station it gives you a training weapon and tells you in the chat what to do.
(also little note for summoner thats also FCS: whips would probably be the summoner 1.4 prof station.)
uncut quiver
Yea that’s a good thought
exotic stag
good to have some SIS thoughts in the back that dont conflict with the actual sugg
anyway ima post the initial sugg i had anyway
uncut quiver
Alright good luck
exotic stag
yeah rover'll probably tell me later what i could improve later
uncut quiver
yeah he’ll do that
prime stirrup
personally, having to grind for proficiency would make me not want to get it
at least when you grind for a fun weapon or an accessory there's a tangible bonus, going for a couple damage points isn't worth the effort
exotic stag
tbf all i did was look at this again and read a bit of the entire convo
and i got brought back the idea so i was like "ok now to get more suggestions on it and wording"
unique reef
I would assume they mean a faster way to get proficiency
I myself find it very hard to get the last 2-3 levels
Even as summoner
hollow shell
The whole suggestion enforces the idea that proficiency is worthless and that adding in alternative methods won't change that
There should probably be less emphasis on its worthlessness
unique reef
True. It's definitely not worthless
I find the KB bonus helpful
Same with the slots but that's going away
uncut quiver
i think the target practice idea I mentioned would be great but it'd probably be a pain to program
unique reef
My only issue with that is how will summoners benefit?
uncut quiver
yea that’s the only problem, the training weapon for summoner would have to be a direct summon weapon of sorts (like the brimstone staff thing that functions more like a normal weapon)
otherwise it’d be dumb right clicking on every target
unique reef
Lmao, yeah
hollow shell
I could see a target practice kind of thing being fun
Earn extra proficiency by completing little challenges that're class-specific
uncut quiver
It’d be fun making a custom break the targets arena or just doing set ones
unique reef
I'm personally against the slots being removed and HotE losing the stats, but ehh. I'd be happy if something better placeholds those
hollow shell
Like for summoner, have some targets hang close to you that are invincible, until you break a target that is farther away first
So you need to direct your minions
uncut quiver
Ooh yea
unique reef
Hmm, maybe
uncut quiver
That’s a neat idea
Would be a bit annoying to program if it was custom as well (programming which placeable ones are invincible and which ones aren’t, and when they become vulnerable, etc) but I’d be fine with preset target practice arenas too
exotic stag
Like for summoner, have some targets hang close to you that are invincible, unti...
see i had the afk idea for lazy people which is less exp but automatically gains you it
so yeah we all came up with ideas lol
so uh just make it worded less "oh its just worthless" and make it more "oh its just forgotten after gotten"
uncut quiver
seems about what he advised yea
hollow shell
mmm well I think there's a good amount of overlap between the two
grim tusk
maybe it could also kinda work for the specific mechanics of the classes as well
prob an idea to increase prof more could be adding certain conditions that give more exp
hollow shell
I do think I'm invested in the target practice / activity idea now
I don't think an AFK station is the way to go, that's even more boring than the current method
uncut quiver
i just think of like trove where you place physical objects and then upon flipping a switch it will turn them into interactable things, leading to stuff like custom CTF maps or obstacle courses
Of course terraria has less to work with bc 2d and no instances but any form of making custom courses (kinda like people making golf courses in 1.4) would be cool
But if that’s too hard to code then someone earlier suggested set maps based around draedon’s labs
exotic stag
i mean you could have like
uncut quiver
It’d be like if golf gave a small benefit for doing it, kinda
exotic stag
stations that the things are set in
like y'know how calamity spawns labs right?
why not make something liek the labs where its these shrines which act like the class with like the classes logo as a design in the walls
and when you right click it gives you a challenge depending on the shrine
uncut quiver
Yea that’d be a way to go about it if they went with set tilesets
Or maybe you have to go find that shrine, then do it, then you can mine the statue and make your own version
exotic stag
ranger can be like target practice and so on
exotic stag
Or maybe you have to go find that shrine, then do it, then you can mine the stat...
or mine all the shrines and make one thats omniclass'd
uncut quiver
or mine all the shrines and make one thats omniclass'd
Yea that’d be a good thing to add to that idea too
exotic stag
yeah
uncut quiver
Would be fun as long as the shrines arent too hard to find (i mean once you have onyx drill it’s not that hard to explore the entire map)
But yea having them in set buildings first and then giving the custom option (with the combine all statues into omniclass statue [it’d prob either just let you choose from any class to train at the same statue or let you use all classes at the same time, and you just get proficiency depending on which classes you use the training weapon of] idea) seems like a great mix
exotic stag
yeah
ashen warren
You could just use dynamite but, I guess.
exotic stag
before moonlord? dont you have like picksaw?
also how is fishing tedious
pop a crate/fishing/sonar potions and then just relax
frozen hornet
If fishing isn't tedious but it still got a mega acc then all the more reason to give a mega acc for builders
exotic stag
at post moonlord you have picksaw.
an already fast item
and then access to money farms for dynamite.
frozen hornet
Picksaw is post golem, you're not supposed to use it to make a plant arena
That was the example they gave
plant arena is one of the most tedious to build
exotic stag
bombs.
ALSO this.
"before moonlord" implies somewhere around LC - moonlord because thats what people assume "before moonlord is"
not like plantera to golem
ashen warren
Also dynamite exists and is easily accessible
exotic stag
so yeah i can see an accessory being there but not really needed too much
frozen hornet
Dynamite is imprecise
frozen hornet
That's the point of the sugg smh to make it easier
small timber
the point of the suggestion is to not need to use dynamite
exotic stag
then just use a pickaxe
exotic stag
or a mount
small timber
onyx can be hard to find, the suggestion is basically to have an accessory that boost both mining speed with pickaxe/drill and building speed
small timber
suggestion are not supposed to be based on changelog
ashen warren
It’s literally already in the game.
frozen hornet
The config is removed next update but ye it's still in current version
small timber
1.5 also boost base mine speed significantly,though you are refering to that
small timber
thought*
ashen warren
I think the game already really provides enough tools to mine efficiently, along with the vanilla game providing you with dynamite (plus mining pot not being that hard to craft is a plus)
small timber
i dont think many people will want a boost from config because it can feel "cheaty"
ashen warren
But the option is there.
exotic stag
you have like 6 different options for fast mining anyway
and building? thats not really hard to do either
small timber
the suggestion is so that you only need 1
exotic stag
yes but you can also only use one of those options for fast mining
ashen warren
If you’re going to make a suggestion based upon mining speed you should at least mention the config’s existence in some way.
exotic stag
also that just seems like a "forced upon player" thing then
"only need one" feels like your forcing the player to go with this item for terraforming/building only
small timber
just like you said, the dynamite option will always be there, the suggestion accessory is basically an additional option for those want to terraform/building in large scale
exotic stag
so is: your pickaxe. mounts. hell the config is there
early game is the only thing that i feel that makes mining "tedious"
since your stuck with early game pickaxes
ashen warren
It’s hard to see eye to eye with this suggestion when there is literally a config that allows faster mine speed, and I feel like dynamite could be used in a lot more situations than people think. You just really have to use it correctly.
exotic stag
yeah and with his examples being plantera arena. and before moonlord
they dont seem like too big of issues for an accessory that warrants this
it feels like you could just.. use the other optiosn
ashen warren
If you’re trying to build a box for a plantera arena dig out an outline and then bomb the insides
If you’re making an underground base you can bomb anywhere and then terraform it with blocks later, or use the speed mine config that is there.
exotic stag
yeah
i mean hell if your even just building normally. it still doesnt take that long unless your building a god damn military base
ashen warren
By the time you get hardmode a block only takes like a second to destroy anyway, so it shouldn’t be that tedious to switch to your pickaxe every time you misplace a block.
exotic stag
yeah the only thing thats really annoying is like grass lol
which btw grass still takes 2 hits no matter what pickaxe you use
unless you use like a super fast one or crystyl
ashen warren
Even then grass dies pretty quickly.
exotic stag
yeah
small timber
i still dont see why an upgraded gizmo pack will be a bad idea
frozen hornet
The sugg is to have one accessory that condenses every mining speed boosting item into one thing, much like the angler tackle box.
ashen warren
It’s just not needed. If they added it into the game I wouldn’t mind but the suggestion fails to mention the already efficient ways of clearing out large areas.
exotic stag
yeah and what xpc said early was "only one option"
basically feeling like the player is forced to use this item for terraforming
frozen hornet
I mean is that not what the angler box does
small timber
supreme tackle station is basically the same thing and i dont see anything wrong with it
it is basically just there, if you want to get it sure, if you don't it will not hinder your game in anyway
exotic stag
tackle station is there because fishing is optional and it just makes it more relaxing
fishing is MEANT to be easy.
drifting sigil
another 50 cal gun 
ashen warren
I honestly don’t know why tackle box is in the game when you can kill DS 20 times and get all the fishing gear anyways.
Probably has something to do with how fishing is in this game or something.
Being optional and tedious for some people but providing good loot.
exotic stag
i dont find fishing tedious. its just like
relaxing
you get to relax while you fish in the waters after facing something
also i reread the suggestion. it sounds more like personal preference then anything lol
ashen warren
Personally I don’t mind fishing but I could see why angler box would be more needed than supreme architect gizmo pack
exotic stag
notice how he talks about himself a lot.
ashen warren
Also isn’t gold/platinum armor a fargo thing
small timber
may need stronger reasoning, but I think there is no problem with the idea itself
ashen warren
The mining boost I mean
exotic stag
i think?
ashen warren
My main problem with the suggestion isn’t the idea, it’s they really really don’t acknowledge the existence of dynamite and the mining config.
exotic stag
no
its just set bonus of 4 defense for plat
so no mining bonus meaning they just said something bout fargos
and gold is 3 defense
ashen warren
And if I remember gold armor boost is a fargo thing so like, use a city buster if you have Fargo installed.
exotic stag
yeah and if hes talking about other mod things. why not just use like
fargos obsidian instabridges. luiafks MANY build tools
ashen warren
Veinminer, city buster, city buster, city buster.
exotic stag
also why do you even use EVERYTHING for like a plant arena. you have atleast a 190% pickaxe power at the time of plant.
(is it 190 or?)
also am i the only one who noticed that gold and plat armor on pc are 5 less bars..?
small timber
ore armor mining boost is a vanilla thing
ashen warren
Is it?
small timber
calamiyu*
ashen warren
I thought that was being added next update though
solid haven
exotic stag
so yes they do lol
but like
you have already so much stuff on you i think just equipping one accessory is enough lmao
frozen hornet
oh and you can buy mining potions from demolitionist btw
That's in 1.5
exotic stag
unless your like terraforming your whole world or doing a challenge i dont see the point of trying to even use EVERY single mining accessory
solid haven
eat dirt block
i think the trash slot is having the playeer eat things
other than food
thats where everything goes
exotic stag
@solid haven can you like not.
exotic stag
small timber
oh ok now i see why you are so opposing the idea, his suggestion is combining all of ore armors, ambrosial, archaic powder,gizmo... all into one accessory
i thought it is just gizmo with mining pots
solid haven
3300% mining speed
solid haven
delete your house on accident because you tried to kill an enemy in your house
small timber
vanilla do limit mining speed to 75% max though if i remember correctly
solid haven
i did that too many time
ashen warren
I don’t like pinging mods for the sole chance that I might be wrong in the situation.
ashen warren
vanilla do limit mining speed to 75% max though if i remember correctly
There’s a cap somewhere.
Yes.
exotic stag
I don’t like pinging mods for the sole chance that I might be wrong in the situa...
i mean hes pretty much trolling though..
ashen warren
Optimal thing to do in this situation is to ignore him or ping a mod.
solid haven
ping mod
exotic stag
eh.
also i dont see how fishing is tedious. make a dock and grab some summons or something and keep fishing lol
zealous oriole
fishing is ‘thing that takes a long time’ but thats only tedious to some people
and if you just put in a bit of effort to get crate/sonar/fishing potions it’s way nicer
small timber
many people see it as a chore because of vanilla, calamity made it much better by providing better accessibility to fishing gears
exotic stag
yeah
also a chore? your standing still waiting and clicking left click at times
like
solid haven
no buffs is painful
small timber
hard to change prejudice from vanilla
exotic stag
thats just relaxing
zealous oriole
many people see it as a chore because of vanilla, calamity made it much better b...
definitely being able to fight a boss to grab all those fishing accessories is way better
open goblet
desert scourge
solid haven
o
exotic stag
both
solid haven
so kill big worms to get more worms to get more fish?
zealous oriole
also abt terraforming, you don’t need mining speed for very much at all unless youre mining something bombs cant hit
like, just tunnel left and right at the top of the area you want dug out, toss a bunch of bombs/sticky bombs/dynamite, and repeat
exotic stag
also abt terraforming, you don’t need mining speed for very much at all unless y...
yeah or up and down
zealous oriole
or if youre going through the underground, but then you can just rod of discord
small timber
i think the idea itself can stand because many hardmode ores are not bombable and can be annoying, but definitely not by combining all mining speed gear in the game
exotic stag
dont all hardmode ores take like 2 hits to break?
zealous oriole
ig its good to have lots of mining speed sometimes but i think it is fair to sometimes sacrifice your armor/offensive power to mine
cause youre never in a situation where you need to be in a boss fight and be mining unless youre doing something weird
also, there’s the mining mounts, which probably sort of replace personally mining if youre clearing out huge areas
exotic stag
yep
zealous oriole
or mining mount singular if the molecart doesnt count
exotic stag
bombs mounts and your own pickaxe
zealous oriole
idk the count
solid haven
combining all accessories and mining buffs might be funny tho
zealous oriole
basically there are already options to mine with your full gear on, or get better speed in exchange for your best tanky build
also ‘might be funny’ is not sufficient for ‘add it as a feature in calamity mod’
solid haven
not that
zealous oriole
it doesnt make specifically calamity mod better, it can be a standalone mod or whayever
exotic stag
leori i would just ignore krit. they seem to act like a troll lol
solid haven
for my friends
solid haven
leori i would just ignore krit. they seem to act like a troll lol
yes mesa troll
i troll lot
Definitely
zealous oriole
the sweet silence of blocked messages.
anyway, i don’t really see the point of combining every single mining accessory into one versus adding one new mining potion or whatever that can be an improvement in buffs, since i don’t think it’s important to make it instant/effortless to swap between full gear and extreme mining gear ¯_(ツ)_/¯
exotic stag
solid haven
and they added hardmode potions which were just prehardmore but stronger and with more effects
it was actully really neeat
near seal
"before moonlord" implies somewhere around LC - moonlord because thats what peop...
By before moon lord, i meant before the mining mount - yeah you do get some great mining speed without all the stuff i like to wear before moonlord, but at the start of hardmode you can use some help alright?
exotic stag
(start of hardmode you can break the 3 spawned ores in like 3 swings..)
near seal
they dont seem like too big of issues for an accessory that warrants this
how much of an issue is getting like 4 accessories for fishing? and yet they made they supreme bait thing
just saying, that building arenas tends to be a bit more annoying that fishing with all the enemies spawning around you
earnest raptor
isn't supreme bait post-levi or something?
exotic stag
i think post AS cause levi drops hotline and buckets and a sponge
exotic stag
how much of an issue is getting like 4 accessories for fishing? and yet they mad...
because supreme bait also has dropped items.
near seal
Also isn’t gold/platinum armor a fargo thing
that's a calamity thing, to speed up the mining early game; weird how many metal bars you need for a full set tho
near seal
i thought it is just gizmo with mining pots
i mean, it doesn't have to be everything i listed, the supreme bait thing doesnt use alluring bait, so maybe the ambrosial stuff shouldn't belong with it having it's own upgrade path; saying that it should not stack with it's previous itterations; cuz i think it does rn
it could just feel faster cuz the placebo effect idk
near seal
its rlly boring tho
agreed
And yeah i know abotu dynamite and stuff; that's how i got a prehardmode plantera arena; also cuz making it in hardmode is way more annoying
Overall; I don't think it's mining's a big problem, but i still think that it wouldn't be a bad idea to make it more conveinent
near seal
i thought it is just gizmo with mining pots
and a supreme gizmo builder box is what i noticed is the most needed
crystal iron
I'm late to this but dynamites aren't always the solution. Like, sure you're excavating a large portion of the area but then you have to waste a lot of time making it look nice and all
And the 190% mining speed you get isn't all that effecient for more big scale things
Namely a big underground arena
uncut quiver
isn’t onyx drill godlike at excavating?
Like I know it doesn’t do vertical digging but you can just ladder down and do rows
Still think the suggestion is good though
hollow shell
Onyx is however very very unreliable to obtain
uncut quiver
True
curious actually: do shrines have any set spawn rules beside their biome or is it just
plop on the map somewhere
hollow shell
Pretty sure it is just that
uncut quiver
damn that’s rough for onyx then
cobalt pewter
For the most part, I don't think there are any detailed spawning reqs
uncut quiver
I do think that omni mining accessory would be great though
cobalt pewter
Yeah p much why Onyx is the worst shrine item to get
hollow shell
For the most part, I don't think there are any detailed spawning reqs
(incorrect double negative)
cobalt pewter
(incorrect double negative)
Oh ya
uncut quiver
I might be motivated to make cool builds if I could just zoom
cobalt pewter
1am
cobalt pewter
Essentially
uncut quiver
1:50 pm for me
cobalt pewter
True
Either way a condensed terraforming / building acc could work
So Grand Design but even ascended
hollow shell
I forgot which mod had the Tool Rod
crystal iron
Luiafk probably
exotic stag
luiafk yeah
slow spruce
Having a dedicated mining acc would be so awesome. i was just having an issue with that in my current playthrough and was thinking about installing another mod to make arena's for me lol
tardy smelt
Theres already a few
Archaic powder line exists iirc
And Architect Gizmo Pack too iirc
distant gyro
ampoule is technically the ultimate mining acc but like
no not really
(mining is more of a side benefit of ampoule)
deft yew
Possibly ampoule could get a separate upgrade made with the gizmo pack and full miner armor
Night vis helmet too perhaps
slow spruce
And Architect Gizmo Pack too iirc
ok but the gizmo pack is awful to get. completely luck based so some people won't get it until far into hard mode
deft yew
(Or, you know, ancient fossil line could lose its non-mining benefits)
slow spruce
(Or, you know, ancient fossil line could lose its non-mining benefits)
Something like archaic powder, night vis helmet, mining potions etc.
deft yew
heck archaic powder could be removed from ampoule
slow spruce
Yeah. maybe move archaic and radiant ooze onto a mining item and focus ampule into just underground jungle?
slow spruce
Oh? why not remove radiant?
deft yew
bc it's light and regen
ampoule is really a tank acc and so is radiant ooze once it gets its regen buff
slow spruce
I though ooze just gave light. didn't realize it gave regen too
What would a dedicated mining acc have in your opinion @hollow shell ?
hollow shell
Uh I mean Archaic Powder is our dedicated mining speed acc
Ambrosial Ampoule could very well become the dedicated mining acc, or upgrade into one
because spoilers
slow spruce
OOhh 
deft yew
yeah no
ashen warren
I'ts not old content I thought it could kinda be like an easter egg
hollow shell
It's, hm
Don't know to what extent this violates that Don't
Probably does, though
cuz
It's definitely just old mod content nostalgia motivation
No reasoning at all beyond that
near seal
I'm late to this but dynamites aren't always the solution. Like, sure you're exc...
The fact it destroys jungle wall is annoying, gotta place it back again to hold the torches!
near seal
I might be motivated to make cool builds if I could just zoom
we all have a threshold, and i do belive that lowering the pain of building should lead to cooler arenas and shit
uncut quiver
yea i agree
cobalt pewter
It's definitely a don't
And even if it doesn't explicitly violate a don't
The lack of reasoning is enough for a ❗ either way
hollow shell
(I didn't expect ball_buster to leave instantly and not see my reply)
(I'll mark it)
cobalt pewter
(lmao)
hollow shell
@pseudo briar You could do a bit more to connect the concept of parrying to resolving the problem you laid out in the 2nd paragraph
(right now most of your suggestion is explaining the concept of parrying without explaining why it should be in Calamity)
((I can tell you right now that reworking the entirety of melee to fit this new mechanic is very likely not going to happen
It'd be more realistic and productive to do something like, suggest more Brand-like weapons that can parry, rather than trying to give it to the whole class))
pseudo briar
so can it be something like a counter scarf
accessory
ok here's an edit not a final draft
deft yew
maybe change "true melee is almost inevitable" to "for true melee it is almost inevitable"
pseudo briar
Let me take it down and reword and hopefully make it better
Need to think of benefits of it being in calamity
back to ze drawing board
frozen hornet
:what
small timber
anything that upgrade with progression is a dont i think
dense bear
it wouldnt be progression-based
small timber
@dense bear sry referring to -aDAM above
dense bear
oh lol
i have some ideas for ways the upgrade i suggested could improve, but i didnt include them because that would limit the potential for creativity
i will say them only if requested
eternal escarp
you can give examples of how this can be done iirc
just not mention "my suggestion is for this exact idea and nothing else"
exotic stag
yeah like what i semi-did with my prof suggestion by giving like "multiple stations or a singular station" and with the ideas above in SD (sugg discussion)
but yeah giving it the "it COULD be like this but its up to your own ideas" is a good thought
wooden wedge
be a patron or smth
you can't buy patreon items anymore
sand umbra
you must now become a dev, or become on really good terms with a dev, to make your specific item idea(s) real
frozen hornet
you can't buy patreon items anymore
Yeah I know 
ocean shale
you can't buy patreon items anymore
Oh really? Fuccc
ocean shale
it's been that way for a long time
exotic stag
cant this just be abused for instant respawn
wooden wedge
i feel like this breaks a dont of some kind
wooden wedge
Because teleporters will not work during boss fights in multiplayer in the next update
mostly just this
hollow shell
The suggestion itself is fine, but that part of it ^ is indeed disallowed
@burnt beacon
You can change your reasoning to explain more on why being given more time to get your bearings upon jumping back into the fray would be good
fossil finch
werent wormholes also disabled anyways
deft yew
just searched recall potion and that change does not mention wormholes
burnt beacon
okay, i realise its not ideal im making a suggest about a changelog, but i dont think i need to explain why teleporting infront of plagebringer's face is a bad thing. but in many fights, there are many things onscreen with different trajectories that your teammate couldn't really say whether its safe to teleport or not. cause as it stands, the vast majority of the time you get hit in the first second after wormholeing
deft yew
two things
keen zealot
nothing wrong with just walking your way over
exotic stag
walk your way over or make a seperate spawn
deft yew
that changelog doesn't even have wormhole potion in it
deft yew
and wormhole gives no i-frames in the first place iirc
keen zealot
jungle and dungeon bosses are the only really bad ones
exotic stag
make a seperate spawn then
burnt beacon
jungle and dungeon bosses are the only really bad ones
and ocean bosses, and underground ones, and astral
keen zealot
either way you should be making a second spawn if you anticipate this to be an issue
keen zealot
also once purified jam is renewable you could eat one of those before teleporting
exotic stag
and astral is like rng somewhat so you'll probably get a far or close spawn so i dont think that matters
@hollow shell hey quick question. whats the rule on RNG things
hollow shell
okay, i realise its not ideal im making a suggest about a changelog, but i dont ...
You should still remove the bit about "next update" from your suggestion anyway, cuz that is actually listed in the Don'ts as something you shouldn't do
You should only make suggestions based on what's in the public version, because with future updates you do not have experience with how it will function
(I will still recommend you emphasize the dangers of jumping into the fray at least a bit more anyway, just to flesh out the reasoning (considering all the stuff about teleporters would be removed) and make it abundantly clear the dangers of wormholing, to convince people to star it)
deft yew
agreed, this is fine conceptually
burnt beacon
would it be better to sugg after the update comes out?
burnt beacon
just checked, they dont actually give any iframes in the first place lol thats even worse
exotic stag
so hey whats the rule on like astral RNG and stuff
hollow shell
Uh if it pertains to Astral spawning yeah you could make a suggestion about it
exotic stag
and ocean bosses, and underground ones, and astral
"astral"
hollow shell
?
exotic stag
astral is mostly rng spawning so you can get it close or not close
deft yew
that might fall under #bugs-read-pins since the monolith chooses not to exist sometimes
hollow shell
Are you trying to pose another argument against the suggestion, swagcat?
hollow shell
I don't know how I'm supposed to interpret "whats the rule on RNG things"
burnt beacon
astral can spawn further than dungeon
exotic stag
annoying to walk to
you can make artificial astral biomes or you get good rng with it spawning
since astral spawns randomly.
hollow shell
viscid bane
we have brimstone elemental transformation, sand elemental transformation and cloud elemental transformation, we need now leviathans waifu transformation
deft yew
w h a t
burnt beacon
isnt the siren the only one you can turn into anyway
deft yew
actually anahita is the only one you can turn into