suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

It's possible that your suggestion was simply too wordy, and people said Too Long Didn't Read

And it could have more success if you rewrote it to be more cut down

even if it means sacrificing some arguments / elaboration

[grim tusk]

Yea maybe, that hypothesis seems to be true with my Momentum capacitor sugg repost (3rd and briefest has gotten the most votes)

[hollow shell]

(that, or your sugg could be more separated out so it's more organized and looks less intimidating)

[grim tusk]

I’ll think about it, imma go to sleep

[hollow shell]

Alright
Sleep well

[hollow shell]

@limpid lotus That would indeed be comedic for approximately 5 hours and then we will regret it for months

also try not to make joke suggestions

[uncut quiver]

that funny when you forgot to press shift when pressing enter the first time so you have to wait 10 minutes to repost it

but now it's done so it's fine

[ancient mirage]

you could just edit it

[uncut quiver]

true but i didnt want it to be given feedback when it was just half done while i was editing it

bc it still took some time to finish it

[eternal escarp]

this sugg would prolly need the patreon's approval

( @hollow shell ?, pinging incase of a "yes" since i assume you posses a patreon list)

[hollow shell]

Yeah I can easily contact that donor, they're still active

I don't think contact is necessarily needed cuz iirc they didn't specify the sound it should play, that was left to the devs

I'll still ask anyway

[eternal escarp]

alright

[uncut quiver]

oh yea, i forgot it's a donor weapon

I assume the donor come up with the concept? if so then they're cool because I love using it

[hollow shell]

Yeah they actually made a whole set of images explaining its appearance and effects
One of the most high effort weapon requests we've gotten from a donor

The visuals were specified a good deal (but iirc the sound was never specified)

[uncut quiver]

wow that's cool

[cobalt pewter]

I'm pretty sure the whole thing is from their own original story, so it's not a surprise that it's quite detailed

But still amazing regardless

[grim tusk]

Honestly the rippers could get new sounds too

[hollow shell]

😎

[cobalt pewter]

Rover ballin

[uncut quiver]

they must have loved being able to see it in another piece of media (aka this mod)

also the rippers? why have i not seen these

[grim tusk]

[uncut quiver]

are they melee weps?

[grim tusk]

Rippers = rage & adren

[uncut quiver]

ohhhhhhh

[hollow shell]

Yeah
It's a reference to the mechanic they were inspired from, from Metal Gear Rising Revengeance
called "Ripper Mode"

[uncut quiver]

yea they could use sound effects too, i mean the deathray fits them much more than the knife but still it could use a different sound

[hollow shell]

mhm

[uncut quiver]

now I have no idea right now what I could suggest for that sound to be (nor am I proficient with FL studio, god I messed with it for 10 mins and dipped)

but it's something to consider

[grim tusk]

Adding yourself a sound would make your sugg specific

Which is likely going to be invalid

[uncut quiver]

true

but i can make something and then see if that type of sound is what fits, and then suggest a description of that noise

sadly can't make sounds to save my life htough

[grim tusk]

Well that sounds like a good idea

[hollow shell]

I was thinking something along the lines of the poison sounds from Pokemon or RPG Maker
As in, bubbly

Maybe with some underlying buzz or tone to indicate that it's magically powerful

[uncut quiver]

are you talking about the knife or the rippers here?

[hollow shell]

Knife

I already made sounds for the rippers for 1.5, if you haven't picked up on the hints

[uncut quiver]

oh nice, idk why I didn't pick up on it

[grim tusk]

Lack of intuition maybe

[uncut quiver]

as for the knife, yea the fallout sound being bubbly would be nice bc it does fit the application of poison (like how the toxic flask has a misty fallout sound, the knife one having a bubbly one would make more sense because it's not emitting poison gas)

[hollow shell]

byeah not everyone knows I'm the SFX person

[uncut quiver]

yea im just here to suggest stuff, i have no idea who is who

there's probably a term for "fallout sound" that I'm just not using

[grim tusk]

Ben - coder
Ozz - lead coder and bugs man
Fab - lead coder and boss coder
Dom - coder and vfx
Rover - sfx and music
Pinkie - music
Charlie - music
Iban - spriter
Endreden - spriter
Piky - lore (also a tester)
Mrrp - lore
Merkalto - the scrybe, keeps track of stuff (idk what more things he does as dev, also a tester)
Rest idk

[tardy smelt]

Altix is also a "scribe" iirc

[grim tusk]

Altix aint dev tho

He is wiki editor though

And tester

[uncut quiver]

k that's good to know, thanks

[hollow shell]

aight the donor is fine with the sugg

[uncut quiver]

sick

[loud cloak]

cool cool

[slow spruce]

Theyre getting a sound effect change? Thats awesome!

[loud cloak]

is there anything wrong with the mana pol sugg?

[uncut quiver]

I don’t think it going into the negatives is that bad especially when it states that it does a flat decrease

and also when is a mage ever above 50% mana besides very briefly after drinking a potion?

[loud cloak]

its when you aren't fighting

its just annoying to have to take it off all the time

[uncut quiver]

Ohhh

[loud cloak]

and there's no point in having the negative life regen happen

[uncut quiver]

Well it’s hard balancing it around convenience when it has a mechanic like that, maybe it only reduces life regen while holding a magic weapon (or after you shoot the magic weapon at least once)?

[loud cloak]

that also works

[uncut quiver]

yea bc its benefits only come into play when using or firing magic weapons, so just tie the negatives to that too

Makes it more convenient, doesn’t take away any mechanics, and does not affect the accessory’s power in any way

win win win

[loud cloak]

nice nice ill add that to the sugg

[exotic stag]

cant you just like? find anklet instead of grinding for pinky..?

[uncut quiver]

Another way to have the condition do the same purpose in a different way is if your mana is below 100% but above 50%, the -life regen happens

[loud cloak]

I tried for hours and never got it

[exotic stag]

then fish?

[uncut quiver]

But idk which condition would be better to use for the suggestion

[exotic stag]

iirc you can get it via fishing pre hardmode

[loud cloak]

isn;t that 1.4?

[exotic stag]

(also king slime can spawn pinkies iirc)

[loud cloak]

he can't

i tried

[exotic stag]

all kinds? wouldnt that include pinky

rq gonna ask rover

[loud cloak]

on the vanilla boss page it says he can't

[exotic stag]

@hollow shell hey rover does king slime spawn pinkies in rev? since the wiki says "all kinds" that'd be assumed to be pinky right?

[exotic stag]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Bosses/Vanilla_Boss_Additions i used this

because rev.

[loud cloak]

the all kinds thing should really be changed, cus its untrue to begin with

[exotic stag]

rev mode.

[loud cloak]

im on the in progress vanilla boss pages, which are more detailed versions of the other things

but we'll see

[exotic stag]

im going by just what calamity wiki says..

and asking rover obv

[loud cloak]

as for the other points, consistency with summoning events is a good thing, since calamity adds ways to summon most other events

[hollow shell]

Looking into it now

[loud cloak]

it's also good for bouncy things and mol cocktails, though they aren't that useful

[hollow idol]

king slime can indeed spawn pinky

[hollow shell]

Yeah, he can spawn Pinky in Rev
Rarer than other slimes but they're there

[exotic stag]

yeah just wanted confirmation since yeah

[loud cloak]

ohhh ill have to update the wiki page then

[exotic stag]

i mean the vanilla boss addons says all kinds so that usually assumes everything including pinky

although pinky is like a seperate slime to the starter bunch

[hollow idol]

types are: blue slime, yellow, red, purple, green ice, spiked, umbrella (raining), rainbow (hardmode raining), pinky

[hollow shell]

A dedicated King Slime page is in the works but it might take a while for it to be fully public

[uncut quiver]

Yea I remember seeing a pinky from him in rev mode

[loud cloak]

that's what i went off of

[exotic stag]

i feel like dedicated pages to some vanilla recipes should be existant

rather then just "tgc: (item name)"

[loud cloak]

already suggested that, already denied iirc

[exotic stag]

oof

byeah i just dislike having to search through my head to remember all the pink gel added recipes

[hollow shell]

We have a page for that.

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Calamity_Mod_Wiki:Recipe_Finder

[exotic stag]

oh neat then i missed it

[exotic stag]

yeah these two is what he referenced

[loud cloak]

ok so my suggestion isn't as strong ig, but some points till stand

[exotic stag]

sure slime rain is good for not wasting rubies on king slime spawns

[deft yew]

i think there was also a sugg to add SG to it post-skele

[hollow idol]

(unconsumable next update moment)

[exotic stag]

yeah i know that but like

rn is meh

[uncut quiver]

Rover which dev removed the bloom stone from the plaguebringer goliath’s drop table

[exotic stag]

byeah i think having a slime rain spawner is alright but could use more reasoning on ei's end

[uncut quiver]

Just go the black lens route

Pink dye + gel = pink gel

5head

[hollow shell]

That's an upcoming change, right?

[loud cloak]

true

[exotic stag]

i think? checking

[loud cloak]

i need to thing about anothe reason cus the pink slime one is broken

i would say gel farming but bruh

[exotic stag]

i dont see it in changelogs anywhere

[uncut quiver]

upcoming? Nah it’s out (seriously you mech bee fuck please give me and my buddy at least 1 bloom stone, the malachite won’t distract me forever)

[exotic stag]

only about HOTE

latest thing for bloom stone

[uncut quiver]

O

ayo?

[hollow shell]

Are you just, having bad luck with PBG?

Cuz Bloom Stone actually is getting moved next update

to Plantera

[exotic stag]

yeah i think people are just having bad luck

[uncut quiver]

yes, 20+ PBGs done as a duo and no bloom stone

Just bad luck

But I hate it

Boss fight’s a lot of fun at least

[loud cloak]

bad luck is really annoying though

[exotic stag]

getting changed next update iirc

[hollow shell]

Bloom Stone will not become a Malice drop, it'll still be RNG

[exotic stag]

okay

[uncut quiver]

like we got malachite and 2 hearts of darkness, no bloom stone

Eventually we’ll get it tho

Glad to see it’s not part of HOTE as of next update

[hollow shell]

Its drop chance is getting increased though I think

from 10% to 20%

[uncut quiver]

oh nice

[hollow shell]

(and from Plant instead)

[uncut quiver]

you love to see it

[exotic stag]

yeah i feel like it fits plant better anyway

cause how is a bee gonna bloom.

[uncut quiver]

nuclear explosion bloom idk

[exotic stag]

well yeah just wait for more suggs rn ig

[uncut quiver]

yea

[grim tusk]

grinding bouncy spikeballs and zen potions is

fuck autocorrect

back to being disabled

[slow spruce]

Are the elemental stones getting a new recipe that uses them or?

[eternal escarp]

not known and likely not

they will be standalone accesories

[fossil finch]

People when no more statstick

[eternal escarp]

but muh 20+ mana cap and 3% damage

[slow spruce]

That sucks. I hope they add something for them again

[eternal escarp]

the fact they become standalone accesories already implies a rework

[half sage]

iirc merk said in draedon chat they'll be standalone, and changelogs says they'll all get new effects

[cobalt pewter]

Idk why bouncy spiky ball is really low in the recipe

I can't remember but is pink gel still considerably rare in cal?

[exotic stag]

not really?

you can farm KS

[cobalt pewter]

Hmm

[hollow shell]

Once Hardmode starts you can farm Gastropods in the Hallow
Though of course most of these recipes are PreHM so that doesn't help much

[wooden wedge]

fucking everyone has bad luck with PBG

at this point I think the droprate might just be bugged lol

[hollow shell]

Nah it's just 1/10
No special conditions, uses the same function as everything else

[grim tusk]

I sugged something about that long ago, went nicely

[grim tusk]

I have gotten the stone fine

Maybe according to wiki is 10% but in code is like 1% or smth

[hollow shell]

No

I am looking at the code right now

[dapper coral]

merk does some programming thingies these days

[deft yew]

Bloom stone doesn’t really have an issue, it happens to every other HotE ingredient and pretty much any weapon I’ve ever wanted

[wooden wedge]

Bloomstone code is cursed,,.,.

[wooden wedge]

Doesnt KS summon pink slimes

[distant gyro]

it does on a good day

[exotic stag]

well yes

didnt we already go over this lol

[grim tusk]

Yes

[hollow shell]

@loud cloak You should address King Slime spawning Pinkies in Rev in your suggestion

much like you addressed Gastropods

If you intend on keeping the suggestion around, that is

[grim tusk]

@snow mica invalid sugg

Breaks the dont to bring old content back
And no reasoning whatsoever

[snow mica]

oop

well alr

[thick river]

Maybe one of the people that posts this once a day can make it into a mod themselves

[grim tusk]

Indeed

[loud cloak]

oh ok will do (done)

[grim tusk]

Actually remaking hage moons mod would be good, or at least fixing the glowmask

Just need to find the creator of that

And learn to code tmod stuff other than weapons

[loud cloak]

actually making slime rain not useless would be a good idea

[steel minnow]

Hey guys, why don't you make Slime God a Hardmode boss instead?, it would make sense since Queen Slime is already a hardmode boss

In 1.4 obviously

Or is it a lot of work?

[fossil finch]

Not happening

There's like 76 different reasons for qs to be stronger that don't even require extra elements anyways

[hollow shell]

Hardmode is packed with bosses, as well

No great place to put SG

[steel minnow]

I see, makes sense.
But then... how will the lore be? o.0

[hollow shell]

We'll figure it out.

headcanon: SG gets a lot of its strength from the world evils, and WoF was containing the most intense of the evil and good energies, so SG didn't have access to the high amounts of power that post-WoF QS does have access to

[steel minnow]

Oh that should be enough lol

[fossil finch]

Literally just
Souls and crystals
Qs keeps her core inside it, and well, souls

[exotic stag]

yes

[uncut quiver]

that's so odd, especially because it seems everyone else is having garbage luck with it. Personally me and my friend finally got one today after i think the 28th kill, but wow it does not feel like a 10% drop rate. If the code says so though, can't really argue it

[hollow shell]

byeah

Getting raised next update anyway so

[dapper coral]

its one of those things, i guess

you look for something and you get nothing, then you stop looking for it and you get 4 without even trying

[uncut quiver]

yea exactly

while trying to get a bloom stone, casually malachite on the 3rd bag

luck just be that way

and also since the non-summon stones are getting removed from HoTE, does that mean HoTE is gonna lose the stat bonuses it gives?

similar to deific losing the stuff from the items that were removed from its recipe

[half sage]

yea HOTE is purely elementals now

elementals are getting buffed to compensate

[uncut quiver]

oh sick

i assume only the damaging ones though? rare sand already kinda cracked

[half sage]

yea changelogs just says their damage is being increased

[hollow shell]

Rare Sand's auto-homing is getting fixed at least

Now you need Heartreach

(which is how it was intended to be from the start)

[uncut quiver]

ohh wait, so rare sand's gonna drop hearts now?

[hollow shell]

Nah

Some of Calamity's own healing projectiles get attracted by heartreach

[uncut quiver]

ohhh

so they weren't supposed to home by themselves

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[uncut quiver]

that makes sense

[hollow shell]

A while back there was a code rework for how healing projectiles worked, a standardization
And all of the changes were supposed to be identical on the user-end

Rare Sand was the only oversight

[uncut quiver]

alright

that checks out

[hollow shell]

Yeah this suggestion is fine

[wicked dirge]

ty

[deft yew]

and isn't draedon's heart gonna be the expert drop from the exos now?

[hollow shell]

Yes but the purpose this suggestion serves will remain the same

[deft yew]

ngl stress pills should be buffed anyway

[hollow shell]

There will be a replacement for the current Draedon's Heart

[deft yew]

then again it wouldn't take much of a buff since movement speed is reworked

[rancid jasper]

dont worry i did

[hollow shell]

(damn you're cutting it close

You wanna update your suggestion with that info?

Here's the sugg

Make the Frost Barrier (along with other shields and accessories) appear your wearer

Some accessories appear, and they have good reason too. They are physical modifications to the wearer. So why do some of the accessories break this rule?

My reasoning? It just... makes sense.

cuz it got yeeted just now

[fossil finch]

Good to know

[hollow shell]

This is a suggestion we have received in the past. Can't remember the most recent one, though, nor if it was decided whether or not such a mechanic would be feasible

That's a QoL mod yes

[fossil finch]

In any case I'd like it having a decently reasonably cost because grinding is a mechanic in terraria after all, byeah it's a fine sugg

[hollow shell]

Okay this looks like the most recent one based on my quick search:
#suggestions-voting message

[fossil finch]

Resuggs don't really up the chances of things being implemented i think

[hollow shell]

Got really close to meeting the 200 star requirement for the devs to see it

If 3 2 people 1 person could go star that suggestion I just linked to
I could deliver that
and save Reed the effort of writing his own suggestion for the same thing

[exotic stag]

starred it

[hollow shell]

aight cool I'll deliver it now

[exotic stag]

cause i noticed the qol mods that do that dont really do it for modded bosses

[hollow shell]

And delivered

[distant gyro]

damn

rover rigged my streak of 46

[hollow shell]

Shoulda been lookin at February

(Thank you for handling all those deliveries by the way)

[distant gyro]

artificially inflating near deliveries kinda bad imo

[hollow shell]

I wanted to send the link for the old suggestion as part of the conversation

but then I realized I was pretty much doomed to cause it to reach 200 by opening that door

[distant gyro]

I mentioned it earlier but I don't think it's fair game to have a really old suggestion with like 160/170 stars or something posted here

[hollow shell]

so I said fuck it and let them come in quick while I'm here

[distant gyro]

then 10 stars flood in because people weren't in this server for long enough

for back when the star requirement was 170

[hollow shell]

Pre-August 2020 suggs

Speaking of which I should probably look into tallying star counts again
and determining if we should raise

Cuz the delivery rate looks pretty high

and it's definitely going to get higher once the Drae update releases and server activity spikes

[grim tusk]

Make iron heart disable lifesteal and give a chance for enemies and bosses to drop hp pickups
Most of the player base does not use it due to how unappealing it is. Currently the the majority of the players use the difficulty use it alongside Armageddon to abuse items that have effects under certain thresholds of hp such as Old Duke's Scales and Necklace of vexation during fights, or just to brag.
Outside of these cases, the difficulty encourages to min max, either for dmg due to how quickly the player dies thanks to the minimum dmg and no healing (and many defensive accessories playing around regeneration (which is disabled) such as Sponge and its components) or get as much lifesteal effects as possible via gear (such as vampiric talisman, or spectre hood armor) or using weapons with the effect. This creates and extremely rough early game and a semi-trivial late game and low setup variety, it also creates scenarios where players are more inclined to run a certain class due to the availability of lifesteal; for instance Rogue players get a huge headstart over the rest with Bloodstained glove, while other classes have to wait for later in the game (usually Rare Sand elemental; mages can try to use Mana polarizer) for a reliable way to heal. This is not even taking into account the lifesteal cooldown penalites for higher difficulties or how inconsistent it can be.

Shifting the focus from lifesteal to health pickups would give a more reliable way to heal across the game, for every class. By making enemies have an increased chance of dropping them and have bosses occasionally drop hearts during fights would provide a more consistent mean of healing for all classes regardless of difficulty and progression. It would additionally make using items that work under certain % of health more intriguing and easier to use as well as give more room for defensive accessories and weapons without lifesteal, rather than centralizing the mode around items with it.

now how do i resume this

[hollow shell]

I did just notice some weird things, unrelated to cutting anything down:

"It would additionally make using items that work under certain % of health more intriguing and easier to use"
Isn't this something you use as an argument against IH in your intro, with the word "abuse"?

"as well as give more room for defensive accessories"
Would your proposed change have any bearing on the effectiveness of defense accessories?

I do understand it giving more usage to weapons without lifesteal though, that's all good and clear

[grim tusk]

"**Currently the the majority of the players use the difficulty use it alongside Armageddon to abuse items **that have effects under certain thresholds of hp such as Old Duke's Scales and Necklace of vexation during fights"

i should have added an only before "use the difficulty"

but yea most of the sugg is explanation as why it needs changes

i should remove some of that

as theres plenty of info already

Make iron heart have a chance for enemies and bosses to drop additonal hp pickups during fights
Most of the player base does not use IH it due to how unappealing it is by its own. Currently the majority of the players only use the difficulty alongside Armageddon to abuse items that have effects under certain hp threshold during fights, or just to brag.
The difficulty pretty much encourages to min max (usually offensively) due to the overall lack of survivability, the items most often used are items with lifesteal of which there isn't many and are inconsistent, this overall limits the player too much unlike other difficulty modifiers and causes low setup variety due to how vital lifesteal is to live. Overall its very similar to Armageddon (but you can take a hit).

Adding a way to consistently heal via health pickups would give a more reliable way to heal across the game, regardless of gear. By making enemies and bosses occasionally drop hearts during combat would provide a more consistent mean of healing for all classes regardless of difficulty and progression, rather than having to wait later until more reliable lifesteal/healing accs or going glass cannon. It would additionally make using items that work under certain % of health more intriguing and easier to use (being able to have their boosts for a while and then return to a safe hp amount for instance) as well as give more room for accessories that don't heal the player or do damage, as well as making more room for weapons without lifesteal, rather than centralizing the mode around items with it. It would overall make the mode more appealing to use on its own.

[grim tusk]

It would make room for defensive other accs rather than going vamp talisman/mana polarizer/bloodstained glove/rare sand/profaned soul artifact (or any accs that provides lifesteal or heals the player) or going glass cannon, you will be able to use say items with debuff prevention, mobility, DR, etc more reliable now that those accs wont be a must anymore

[hollow shell]

"Currently the the majority of the players only use the difficulty use it alongside Armageddon to abuse items that have effects under certain hp% during fights"
(the first half of the sentence is a mess)

[deft yew]

^

[grim tusk]

fixed?

[hollow shell]

Yes much better

This suggestion is lookin very good now

Aight you clarified one bit I was about to question

Nice

[grim tusk]

so is it good to go?

[hollow shell]

Yes I think it's good to go.

[grim tusk]

also unrelated to my sugg but, will IH have a difficulty indicator?

[deft yew]

you don't really need one since the hearts change

[grim tusk]

true

rev does add the bars though

death mode, defiled, armaggedon and i assume malice are not so obvious

[deft yew]

death adds nothing

wait actually

maybe rev should just be removed from the indicator and only death appears there

[grim tusk]

but then how noob players know its rev and not expert (some people are just very blind)

[hollow shell]

It is a bit weird that IH isn't on the mode tablet

but yeah, hearts

[deft yew]

Difficulty tablet would most likely need a resprite if you wanted 4 on there
Arma over iron heart would look strange

(Also why is iron heart only in expert??)

[grim tusk]

actually yea, why?

[deft yew]

Yknow…
Arma could be made the “augment” to iron heart like rev and death

So iron appears on the tablet but arma overrides it

[grim tusk]

ih's effects stack with arma

why do you think DADI mode exists

[deft yew]

Isn’t DADI just an advantage over DAD though since you can use health-based effects

[grim tusk]

DADI gets fucked by ram debuffs (you can ram something to prevent the hit, but you still get debuffed)

and not able to use brimflame, astral injection nor everclear

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[deft yew]

fair enough

[hollow shell]

Self-damage is still a possibility in Arma

and still technically a possibility in IH but you're limited

[steel minnow]

Why is "corrosion!" such a banger, OMG

Wait, wrong #

lol

[hollow shell]

👀

[deft yew]

draft, maybe i need to shorten it some

Allow Craw Carapace and Giant Shell to drop from Gem Crawlers

Craw Carapace and Giant Shell are both solid early-game accessories with a powerful upgrade later on, The Absorber. They provide slight alternatives to each other, with the carapace being thorns-oriented and the shell being evasion-oriented. However, one issue I noticed with them is the relatively low spawn rates of the enemies from which they drop, as well as the inability to obtain one of the two in most worlds.

Allowing gem crawlers to drop the unavailable of the two would allow much easier access to The Absorber, although this may require them to not stack. The drop table could also depend on which of the cavern trio (Crawdad, Giant Shelly, Salamander) was selected for the world, with Salamander's absence making neither drop.

does this look ok

[hollow shell]

Wait so, Gem Crawlers drop the one that you do not have available to you in the world?

[deft yew]

yes

maybe in that case the two shouldn't stack

[hollow shell]

Aight, that could be a bit clearer

I personally disagree with the suggestion because I think people should be more accepting of the idea that they don't need to get every item in the game in every playthrough
but that's my personal opinion

[grim tusk]

Dont you need either one for absorber?

[deft yew]

yes

[hollow shell]

Yeah, Absorber's recipe accounts for one of them being possibly absent

[deft yew]

yknow this could all be made slightly easier if the cavern trio mechanic didn't exist

(maybe rally could become exclusive to salamanders in that case)

[grim tusk]

I’d suggest a gem crawler pet if Cal’s vanities didnt add one already

They feel very fleshed out honestly, one of the best enemies of the mod on my opinion

[deft yew]

honestly ye

[grim tusk]

too bad that scuttler’s jewel sucks

[deft yew]

so could i possibly suggest instead that the whole cavern trio can spawn in one world

and make rally exclusive to salamanders

[grim tusk]

Maybe

[deft yew]

ok here we go again

Allow the entire Cavern Trio to spawn in all worlds

Crawdad, Giant Shelly, and Salamander are mutually exclusive to each other - only two of the three can spawn per world. This feels less like a unique quirk than simply an annoyance.
Undoing this mutuality mechanic would make the trio feel more integrated with the rest of the cave enemies, as well as slightly reduce grind for The Absorber.
If this were the case, perhaps Rally should be made to drop exclusively from Salamanders.

it's kinda abstract ngl

[hollow shell]

meh

I don't see a reason to do this, personally

Gives playthroughs a bit of extra variety

(What hit sounds you end up hearing while mining)

[deft yew]

makes sense

and 1.5 increases both acc drop rates

so nvm, sorry about that

[hollow shell]

s'fine, just differing opinyots

[loud cloak]

I’m debating suggestion to boost ashes of calamity drop rates so brimflame isn’t such a pain in single player

But I’m not sure if there’s enough substance to warrant the suggestion being good

[distant gyro]

isn't the rate 100%?

[hollow shell]

Drop amounts

presumably

[crude geode]

It is a bit annoying in single player. You have to kill clonelamitas at minimum 3 times just to get the armor.

[hollow shell]

The armor req should probably be reduced, then

I see the Ashes recipes
have like, 5 per item, or less

Then Brimflame busts in with requiring 45 total

Cal dropping 18 max

[crude geode]

indeed

it makes logical sense but this is armor made from the ashes of a angy witch's failed clone and is also terraria

[hollow shell]

Armor req could be easily reduced

And it's be a perfectly valid small-scale suggestion

In fact it's so easy and valid, let me see if it already happened for 1.5

[hollow shell]

((I forgor to check, I will do so in the morning))

[silver silo]

💀

[loud cloak]

Alright I’ll check changelogs then suggest

Doesn’t look like brimflame armor or ashes of calamity are in the changelogs for that reason

[frozen hornet]

#changelogs usually don't include minor changes like that

There is a complete version of the changelogs but it's not public until the update is released

[torn crown]

Rover does say whenever a sugg (coincidentally) bumps with future development

[crude geode]

Change logs only include like half the changes

[frozen hornet]

complete changelog with 4600+ changes

[spiral knoll]

I think that the exoblade health regan should be buffed

[distant gyro]

half the weapons do have cues and half don't

Starmada and Norfleet also have rings casted around the player when maxed

[eternal escarp]

hm, totally forgot those wind up aswell

[distant gyro]

Phangasm and its vanilla counterpart Phantasm don't
Neither does Flurrystorm Cannon or Contagion

[eternal escarp]

Phantasm and Phangasm wind up?

[distant gyro]

yes

[hollow shell]

Yes but they don't take long at all

like a few seconds

[eternal escarp]

oh, yeah its very slight

[hollow shell]

Butcher takes almost a full minute iirc

[distant gyro]

Ultima also doesn't have a cue but it's obvious when you know it's maxed out

[eternal escarp]

yeah contagion is also very slight

flurrystorm is medium, unsure if suggesting a windup to that aswell would need donator permision or not though

[deft yew]

About ten seconds last I remember

[eternal escarp]

damn a lot of pre-yharon ranger weapons posses a form of windup huh

[distant gyro]

Daemon's Flame is also wind up

(did you know gaming)

[eternal escarp]

(i did not gaming)

seems like a very short wind up aswell, though

Butcher (and maybe flurrystorm) are the only big windups iirc

[distant gyro]

2 seconds

[eternal escarp]

okay yeah it is still hard to know when it reaches a climax

i could expand my suggestion to more of these weapons, i guess

wouldnt hurt, right

[distant gyro]

butcher is 10.66 and flurrystorm is 8

norfleet 9, starmada 9, drat 6, phangasm 4.5, contagion 2

[eternal escarp]

alright, i edited the suggestion a bit to encompass other weapons

[exotic stag]

i didnt even know any of these weapons had windup.. for ranger being my favorite class damn im bad at realizing window exists

[loud cloak]

you should probably delete that from thes ehcnanels

[grim tusk]

@zenith hazel hes doing it on every channel

[zenith hazel]

@modern tartan don't post a pic in every channel, muted

[grim tusk]

Thx brav

[fossil finch]

clearly a suggestion

[deft yew]

oh great

[ruby plover]

Don’t even know what that’s about but sure

Good suggestion I guess…?

[eternal escarp]

prolly misclicked channel / server

[ruby plover]

Hopefully

[ashen warren]

I suggest a suggestion

[eternal escarp]

byeah uh @clever lagoon you should prolly remove that from #suggestions-posting

[river glen]

uh...

great suggestion

[ashen warren]

thanks I work hard

[hollow shell]

Not sure how I feel about the Mura suggestion

At one point I remember Mura being insanely large just so it's viable for SCal but I don't know if that's in current release or not

[gray nebula]

murasama is fucking massive to the point of looking dumb already

p sure thats in the current release

also why would melee SPEED give melee size 🙄 :/ :\

[deft yew]

yoyo range

although i think that should increase yoyo agility instead anyway

[gray nebula]

yoyo???

what the fuck is a yoyo

sorry link, i dont play subclasses

come back when you're a little mhh... cooler

[ashen warren]

But yoyo cool 🗿

[eternal escarp]

lies iirc

byeah like

making the already comedically large to be viable true melee sword get even bigger sounds like it defeats the purpose of the true melee aspect of it

[ashen warren]

Idk maybe it could be a bit smaller so you can't make it THAT comically large

[hollow shell]

You make this suggestion based on what you seen in-game?

[ashen warren]

I’m sorry but making the Murasama be able to hit SCal on lock on phase seems rather broken.

Nah I didn't mean it like that I meant you could make it only a bit larger to hit bosses a bit easier

[eternal escarp]

the literal only boss you will use it on current patch is SCal

so uh

[hollow shell]

Arguably BR

[eternal escarp]

touche

but most if not all bosses should like

be available in its range

only exceptions might be like

ML, OD, DFish, Yharon, DoG, maybe DFolly and idk

Brimmy maybe too because constant teleporting

[hollow shell]

Honestly you could get through the first 3 tiers of BR just fine with Mura I think
and a decent amount of T4

T5 it'd be too risky and inconsistent I think

[eternal escarp]

Provi would prolly be

pretty fine

which is in T5 iirc

[hollow shell]

nah, final boss of T4

[eternal escarp]

huh

oh T5 is really just

SCal, yhar and DoG

[hollow shell]

SCal is right after Prov so I think the separation and alert is there to prepare you for getting into a good spot for her arena formation

[eternal escarp]

ye thats fair

i think its safe to assume drae would be around there too but we (as in the public) cant really state about mura's viability agianst it

[hollow shell]

Uh hm

Based on what I've seen Mura would probably suck actually

And I don't know how much excessive size would fix that

[deft yew]

i would sadge but we do get dragon rage now so idk

i agree heartily with this ngl

[fossil finch]

Completely destroy Murasama's point
?
Yes
(((Joke i make to express the fact i disagree with the sugg))) (joke)

[dapper coral]

(i will note that currently murasama seems to do well against exos)

[ashen warren]

Nice

[dapper coral]

(this may change in the future so take this with a grain of salt)

[hollow shell]

ah that's good

[half kayak]

i bet my suggestion breaks at least one don't

i forgot the list

[hollow shell]

It's not necessarily Don't-breaking

but the reasoning is quite weak.

[ruby plover]

i would add the reason of the damaging aura

i mean they both have it

[hollow shell]

True, that is an overlap that they have

Could also focus on Amalgam's theming of biological matter, debuffing, and being generally gross

which Plague Hive fits into a bit

[dapper coral]

thats kinda what they tried to go for already with the creepy stuff

byeah they could specify the other stuff more

[distant gyro]

but we're kinda breaking huge item tree combos out

[hollow shell]

That is true, we did disconnect a lot of HotE

[distant gyro]

amalgam is going to be solely amalgamated brain+

[ruby plover]

that's valid

[distant gyro]

the 3 other items are publicly confirmed to be gone

[half kayak]

bruh

is there going to be a new accessory combining those others?

[distant gyro]

no

[half kayak]

g r e a t

[hollow shell]

I forgot about that change...

It kinda conflicts with my own personal plans for the Amalgam

but

we'll get there when we get there ig

[distant gyro]

hote lost like 4 items
amalgam 3
sponge lost ampoule which in itself is like 5 items
rampart 3
plague hive 2

[ashen warren]

Why?

[distant gyro]

less bloated and more meaningful

you don't get 10 effects that do nothing

you get 3 effects that do a lot

[hollow shell]

^

[ashen warren]

Ye but now the removed ones are completely useless

While before at least they made smth better

[distant gyro]

buffed stuff

stones get reworked with their own focuses

toxic heart is planned to be useful for once

[hollow shell]

+1% damage, +1% melee speed, +1% movement speed, +1 regen, +1% knockback, +10 max life, etc
is way less valuable
than something like just +10% damage

[ashen warren]

So then this is no longer a problem

[distant gyro]

ampoule and sponge are already valuable on their own

amalgam is getting the potion buff effect

[half kayak]

got a cool idea for a weapon but its too specific:
Quasi's Wrath
crafted from astral, luminite, and cosmilite bars, nebula blaze, and also the astral fishing items based around stars (i.e arcturus astroidean)
it will create a spray of astral stars and occasionally fires a black hole or a gamma ray burst (10k damage)
it can also create a healing nebula every 50k damage done, which heals 25 health

[distant gyro]

rampart iframes are more powerful

[hollow shell]

That is in fact too specific

[ashen warren]

Yes uh

[sleek wadi]

Shark Tooth Necklace becoming a proper upgrade line

[ashen warren]

I would say very too specific if I do dare so

Even if it makes no sense

[half kayak]

quasi refers to quasi stars (hypothetical giant stars that had black holes in the centers which spewed energy to keep the star alive)

[ashen warren]

Now it's EVEN MORE specific

[hollow shell]

But yeah I do greatly approve of this movement the devs are making
toward giving items less effects, but each one being more significant

[ashen warren]

[hollow shell]

Wrong channel

[ashen warren]

That reminds me that one of signus' projectiles looks like the Roblox logo

[exotic stag]

get em again? use recipe browser?

[mellow comet]

open terraria and collect all of those dye plants now

[exotic stag]

i just was on terraria..

im not reopening it

[crude geode]

Think they might be removed in 1.5

[hollow shell]

I don't know if they are or not

[glass sentinel]

i'll be honest at that stage they're pretty easy to find

since a spelunker lights them up

orange bloodroot might be the most annoying

but thats found literally everywhere with a dirt ceiling

[ruby plover]

I find that by the time I’m able to craft the health upgrades, I’ve stumbled upon all the dye plants I need for them

[unique reef]

yea

sometimes i forget and i gotta search for them when i need them

[ruby plover]

Yeah, I get that most people aren’t as much as an obsessive collector as I

[fossil finch]

They're really easy to find honestly

If you look out in phmode you're 100% finding all 4 needed

This has been sugged before, i remember

Been a while since the last one

[dapper coral]

this implies that you know you have to look for them

for experienced players it's a cinch but starting out the first time i would hate to find out i need some random dye plant i found once and threw away

[crude geode]

also since all the dyes are a material for rainbow dye, you just assume that's the only thing it's a material for

[ruby plover]

Oh wait, that’s a really good point

Yeah, gotta make it better for the first-timers

[hollow shell]

I can confirm that it still takes 10 + 20 + 15 Ashes even in current test version

(which you will find actually equals 45)

[cobalt pewter]

Not sure if it's pointed out yet since I can't seem to find it when scrolling up, but there's this changelog for 1.5

450 - True melee weapons that are purely projectiles (spears, flails, murasama, etc.) now gain extra damage with the player's melee speed stat. - Done ✅

(for the Murasama sugg)

[deft yew]

I thought flails were false melee tho

[loud cloak]

im dumb (fixed)

[cobalt pewter]

Flails are still melee in a sense, compared to beamswords

[fossil finch]

Were asking for range though

[cobalt pewter]

I'm just pointing that 1.5 will use melee speed on these weaps into smth

[spiral knoll]

exoblade health regan should be buffed

[hollow shell]

Its lifesteal, you mean?

[spiral knoll]

yeah

[eternal escarp]

why?

[hollow shell]

It seems to fall in line with other lifesteal values around that point in the game

[spiral knoll]

Yeah, but the life steal is not really as good as vampire knifes.

which is early hardmode

[hollow shell]

Well, yeah cuz that's not Exoblade's focus

Exoblade does a bunch of other stuff and lifesteals

Vamp Knives is a purely lifesteal-based item

[spiral knoll]

thats fair but at the same time vampire knifes have an late game upgrade to them so your not gonna be using vampire knifes against supreme

wait

I just ruined my own point

It has a upgrade to it

[hollow shell]

m
I was wondering how Empyrean Knives fit into this

[spiral knoll]

theres really no point i guess since empyrean knives have life steal

[tardy smelt]

yeah

Exo is intended to be a more defensive main weapon

[spiral knoll]

yeah

i always end up crafting it but never use it

anyway

i just use murasama luxers gift combo

i spelt that wrong

oh well

[hollow shell]

Ah the classic

[spiral knoll]

ruthless modifier

with max crit strike

Perfecto

[visual sparrow]

your suggestion need to have 200 stars to realise or something else?

[spiral knoll]

not sure accually

[tardy smelt]

imagine not going full true melee with murasama

[eternal escarp]

you need 200 stars for the suggestions to pass to the dev-mocracy channel where they vote on the suggestions

[tardy smelt]

[hollow shell]

(the devmocracy channel is different from the sugg voting channel but yeah)

200 stars gets your sugg delivered to the dev server for voting

[tardy smelt]

^^^^

[eternal escarp]

((well yeah i assumed its not the same but for ease of explanation))

[tardy smelt]

then its hope, wishes, dreams and whether your idea is good in the first place to determine whether it'll get accepted

[visual sparrow]

damn I go close, my idea need only 20 stars more

[eternal escarp]

and then its sadness, hollowness and dissapointment when you suggestion inevitably gets rejected

[tardy smelt]

or ignored

but hey

I got a 1/1 approval/non-approval ratio in terms of suggs

so I can proudly say a staggering half of my (4) suggestions are good ideas

[spiral knoll]

Guys lets get his to 200

it is actually really good

[visual sparrow]

That would be very nice

[spiral knoll]

Indicate Phase transitions for Bosses on the Health Bar
It will be very comfort for observe boss progress and help, when boss change phases out of the monitor
Suggestion Author
@visual sparrow
Approved by
@ashen warren

find this one

and aprove it

[tardy smelt]

ok you know what

#suggestions-voting message

here

now you don't have to find it >:3

[hollow shell]

[spiral knoll]

click it now

or i will say a nono word

[tardy smelt]

...

fair

[frail mantle]

You don’t need to suggest bug fixes

Putting them in #bugs-read-pins is better

[hollow shell]

@rancid jasper ^

[rancid jasper]

oh

i didnt read that

sry

[hollow shell]

(Also I have not encountered this issue in my own playthroughs, but if you're only encountering it with just Calamity installed then it's valid to submit to the bugs channel I spose)

[spiral knoll]

put it in #bugs-read-pins

[eternal escarp]

iirc it was a submitted bug

Tim's and Goblin Sorcerer's magic shots dont deal damage in deathmode i believe?

[robust lava]

Yes. (This moved to the bugs channel btw)

[eternal escarp]

(oh, my bad )

[deft yew]

actually it was vice versa (only damages in death) byeah

[ashen warren]

I think that's a tmodloader bug.It used to happen to me also but I think it's patched now so you might need to update TML.

[wooden wedge]

wasnt it just confirmed that it was a deathmode thing

or

[ashen warren]

Nah I played in rev mode

[wooden wedge]

I meant that it had nothing to do with tml versions.

[keen zealot]

not in rev either

dark caster too

[earnest raptor]

boosting ban when

[wooden wedge]

isn't boosting like that already banned

or at least heavily discouraged

[deft yew]

why did the murasama and amalgam suggs get through lol

[hollow shell]

m
I asked for more elaboration on the Amalgam sugg's reasoning but didn't think to exclam it while I waited

Considering the dude was

in chat

when I said it

[crude geode]

Boosting is indeed bad suggestion practice

[fossil finch]

what if instead they just stop dropping them or whatever idk

[ruby plover]

Do you mean my suggestion shouldn’t happen?

All g if so

[crude geode]

I think ender means they don't drop ichor and cursed flames

[ruby plover]

They do in hardmode

[hollow shell]

I think Cursed means that Ender means they shouldn't

[ruby plover]

Ah okay my bad

[hollow shell]

byeah this suggestion is fine

[tropic yoke]

Ok is it safe to say the monolith furniture isn't getting fixed now?

Been a while and it's at 157

[ruby plover]

Oh dang

[crude geode]

yeah it's been a week, you can go ahead and repost if you want

[tropic yoke]

Well I mean

There's still not a chance it gets fixed

What's a more solid way to talk to someone about monolith light sources taking ungodly amounts of material to make

[hot zephyr]

Honestly I like this suggestion

[left elbow]

yeah i know it says don't suggest making death mode features toggleable

but most people can just, you know

save and exit

and natural boss spawns may as well not exist

and then that is just a full on inconvenience

[deft yew]

this should absolutely be a toggle, not removed

[left elbow]

Yeah

[hot zephyr]

this should be neither

[deft yew]

btw, if you leave the biome for a few seconds or so, the spawn is prevented

[left elbow]

I wouldn't mind if it was removed, but if you want to deal with random natural boss spawns, be my guest.

[left elbow]

Explain.

[hot zephyr]

Config bloat is bad

[left elbow]

how does natural boss spawns that can easily be cirumvented make the game more challenging?

And "just don't play death mode if you hate that feature" isn't an excuse this time

making the game more inconvenient for those who do want to play death mode is bad game design

[hot zephyr]

It's part of the mode

[left elbow]

Maybe it shouldn't be anymore.

[deft yew]

i find it a convenience ngl

[hot zephyr]

It's not going anywhere

It's like asking to remove weather effects

[left elbow]

except the weather effects make the game more challenging

you need to go into the biomes with the correct gear or suffer the consequences

random boss spawns do not add any challenge to the game

they have no place to be in Death Mode

A mode focused on making the game more of a challenge should not make it more inconvenient.

[hot zephyr]

it's no less integral to death than weather, or the AIs, that's just how it is lol

[left elbow]

Ok, what if you're deep underground when it mentions Something's Approaching and need to get to your arena as fast as possible?

you'd need to drop everything and focus on the boss

that's the main problem

it's just an interruption

bosses should spawn when you're ready to fight them

[hot zephyr]

the only boss that spawns underground is crabulon, no? and that's only in the mushroom biome

[left elbow]

oh right whoop

[deft yew]

i assumed jungle bosses could do it too but idk

[left elbow]

but even then you're still gonna spend a lot of time on the surface

[left elbow]

Natural Boss Spawns add no extra challenge. You could remove them and Death Mode would be no different.

The Weather and AI changes? those are what make Death Mode, well, Death Mode.

But random boss spawns do not contribute to the difficulty.

at least only the lesser bosses will spawn naturally

because if SCal could spawn whenever she felt, then this'd probably be even more of a glaring flaw.

But it's still just simply annoying.

[left elbow]

Also Plantera

[hot zephyr]

you said underground, not underground jungle

[left elbow]

Underground Mushroom is a separate biome then

i meant underground in general

[hot zephyr]

regardless I'm not speaking here to try and convince you of anything, fact is the likelyhood of any of death's new features getting removed/a toggle is near nonexistent. You're better off suggesting changes to improve what already exists instead of just "grrr I had to magic mirror out of a biome three times in a 70 hour playthrough please remove"

[left elbow]

what if you just want to mine chlorophyte but plantera's coming and your arena's on the other half of the jungle

[hot zephyr]

you've got a few options

if you aren't ready you can escape

if you're able to you can fight

[left elbow]

Except it will improve death mode. I haven't even played it, but I still think it's a design flaw just in analyzing its features.

[left elbow]

that's the problem

[hot zephyr]

if you haven't even played death you probably shouldn't be suggesting features to change it

[left elbow]

it's more for the people who are willing to play death mode

i'm not considering myself in the suggestion

[hot zephyr]

if that demographic wants the change they could suggest it

[left elbow]

i'm not saying it's 100% guaranteed to go through

we have items like Corruption Lore that prevents Hive cysts from spawning to stop accidental boss summons

but removing natural boss spawns is too much???

[hollow shell]

"I haven't even played it"

uhh ohhhhhh

[left elbow]

It'd just help in placing when bosses are fought more under the player's control

[hollow shell]

You see I was actually kinda with you there up until you said you had no actual experience with the feature

[deft yew]

^

[left elbow]

it barely matters smh

[hollow shell]

It is probably the thing that matter the most actually

[left elbow]

even if i haven't played it it'd still improve death mode

[deft yew]

complaining about something you have never dealt with yourself is very stupid

ngl

[crude geode]

"It barely matters having experience with something to properly judge it. Like judging the taste of a food I haven't eaten."

[mellow trout]

if his suggestion is valid, , he can just let his suggestion and let's see if it get 200 stars or not, no?

[hollow shell]

You don't know how annoying it is
You are only imagining how annoying it could be

[deft yew]

this is why i still want to try insect one of these days

[left elbow]

hmmmm yes a 6.9% chance of a boss spawning every minute is good game design

even if there's a 24 minute cooldown

[mellow trout]

It's strange to ask a change for a feature when never already played it, but that's like asking only people who played deathmode to vote about a deathmode suggestion. So i don't know how to take it...

[deft yew]

yknow

in comparative terms

that's pretty mild

[left elbow]

yet how long are calamity playthroughs?

[deft yew]

alien larvae grow through both stages in like three seconds and queens spawn two larvae on death

[hollow shell]

The boss only spawns if you've never killed it.

[deft yew]

alright i have to say

[left elbow]

even though there's kind of a big gap between starting hardmode and mechanical bosses

[deft yew]

why is the destroyer first on the list

[mellow trout]

(yet, would be pretty annoying to see plantera spawning while building an arena for plantera xD)

[deft yew]

pretty much everyone, wiki included, does twins first

[left elbow]

that's just adding another chance for the mechanical bosses to show up on their own to the already existing chance they have from breaking altars

[deft yew]

iirc that's actually being removed

[left elbow]

well, post-WoF with the Draedon progression changes, presumably

but even then not everyone will wanna play with the 1.5 progression changes toggled

I still will but I'm not sure some people would be happy with it

[left elbow]

Eh, I just fight the mechanical bosses in whatever order

they're all around the same power

[deft yew]

i doubt the natural spawn thing would be left in regardless because the vast majority of boss summons are now non-consumable

[left elbow]

and i marathon all 3 of them instead of doing Scourge and Brimmy in between

i do scourge and brimmy after clearing out all 3 mech bosses

that's just how i do it

I marathon all 3 in vanilla, so I do the same in Calamity

and i'll probably still do the same with the 1.5 progression changes, with breaks in between for mytrhil, orichalcum, adamantite, and titanium

[left elbow]

Good point, but it hasn't been officially announced which is why i'm making the suggestion

[left elbow]

exactly lol

[deft yew]

it's in changelogs now

[hollow shell]

He means the natural boss spawns

[left elbow]

I meant removing natural boss spawns

[deft yew]

oh dur

[left elbow]

that hasn't been officially added to changelog

i checked before making the suggestion lol

[hollow shell]

Anyway Gengar at the very least you should fix your Uelibloom example

[deft yew]

i do in fact speak before i think

[hollow shell]

because that's actually uhh, impossible

[left elbow]

right whoops

ok uh

Duke Fishron wants to spawn when you're just trying to grind Pirate Maps

that's

a Post-Golem boss

that can spawn on its own

right at the start of hardmode

why

you'd need to quit your pirate map grinding

and walk allll the way back to the ocean

which, mind you, is at the edge of the world.

[hollow shell]

Grinding Pirate Maps?

[left elbow]

i mean if you're trying to get raider's glory

you'll be grinding out pirate maps

[hollow shell]

The item that has a ~1/20 chance to drop from a common enemy in the event

[left elbow]

or if you just wanna grind pirates for money

[hollow shell]

talkin bout Raider's Glory

[left elbow]

riiight

but still pirates are a good source of money

especially if you want greedy ring from them

[hollow shell]

One problem

Pirate Captain town NPC sells Pirate Maps.

[left elbow]

whoop

right

[hollow shell]

You got any other examples?

[left elbow]

forgor

[ashen warren]

you make this suggestion as if saying equipping hand warmers every time you enter a blizzard makes the game more challenging lol

[left elbow]

You're essentially dedicating an accessory slot to temperature gear in the early game

it does add challenge

ok

how about

Astrum Aureus

[ashen warren]

as much challenge as using your brain for 2 seconds to see which accessory is the most useless in current situation.

[left elbow]

wanting to spawn when you want to grind stardust

[deft yew]

or you know

vanity slots

[ashen warren]

saving an exiting makes the game more challenging by requiring to see whether you want to attempt the boss or magic mirror smh

[hollow shell]

You can grind Stardust during the day and he'll never spawn

[left elbow]

right whoop uhhhh

i just keep forgetting 💀

[deft yew]

in fact you can grind just about anything during the day and get no bosses

[fossil finch]

very few bosses spawn during the day yeah

[left elbow]

what about moon charm?

[deft yew]

unless PBG can spawn naturally in death?

[fossil finch]

and terraria offers nothing particularly unique to do in the night that you cannot in the day

[left elbow]

Calamitas Clone can just spawn in pre-mech bosses

when she's a post-mech boss

on par with Plantera

[fossil finch]

it can, but at that point farming all canisters you need pre pbg doesn't take that much

[left elbow]

Celestial Shell is a great accessory

not to mention the higher chance of mech bosses naturally spawning

[fossil finch]

it's pretty meh
Boring stat stick
Idk how it ties into this anyways

[hollow shell]

Nnno if you haven't beaten the mechs, the natural night spawn will only give you mech bosses

[left elbow]

o h

[fossil finch]

yeah i remember that being removed

alongside the lingering inferno message

[left elbow]

i misinterpreted the wiki page on death mode lol

[crude geode]

also moon charm on it's own is only good for like weird melee strats

and you can't get celestial shell til post golem

[left elbow]

ok right

just grind moon charm later

but even then it just adds nothing to the mode anyways

[ashen warren]

how is moon charm related to the suggestion though

[left elbow]

if you wanted to grind it

but you could just kill calclone then grind moon charm safely so forget it

random boss spawns aren't a test of skill, they're just a test of luck

[crude geode]

also death mode adds plenty of inconveniences. see light level

[left elbow]

you could go the entire game without one natural boss spawn but it's unlikely

[ashen warren]

It's not like it's that big of a hinderance compared to other death mode funnies tbh

[left elbow]

It's easy for RNG just to despise you and decide Eye of Cthulhu spawns on your first night

[mellow trout]

i can't see anything about it in wiki, can natural spawn occur during an event like blood moon or something else?

[ashen warren]

death mode doesn't really make the game challenging, just more tedious. (In terms of not bosses)

[hollow shell]

That's a great question actually, I'll check the source

[left elbow]

Almost every other death mode feature is preventable, though.

not the natural boss spawns

[crude geode]

it does both tbfh, as someone who has done every part of death mode.

[mellow trout]

no natural spawn before you have at least 300 HP, so eye can spawn for the first night if you are really fast with hearts xD

[crude geode]

blood moons

[left elbow]

That's not a death mode feature particularly

[ashen warren]

I personally disagree but meh.

[left elbow]

that's just an issue with stock terraria

[crude geode]

you must be forgetting that death mode boosts blood moons natural spawn limit and spawn rate by an absurd amount

400% spawn rate and 900% spawn count

[left elbow]

your honor, calming potions and peace candles

[crude geode]

ah yes

early hm peace candles

[hollow shell]

Okay, the Death natural spawn doesn't happen if there are any bosses alive, Frost/Pumpkin Moon active, OOA active, or if a vanilla natural EoC/Mech spawn is already queued up
I don't see anything about Blood Moons though

[left elbow]

but ok you might have a point

it's actually not all too bad

[crude geode]

once again, you haven't actually done a death mode playthrough, so making a suggestion about it isn't the best idea.

[left elbow]

i'll redact the suggestion

[hollow shell]

Alright

[left elbow]

and do a different inconvenience that could be addressed

[hollow shell]

If you ever do end up playing Death Mode and find the boss spawns to be annoying then you can resuggest it with experiential evidence

[left elbow]

ok

ok here's a suggestion i actually have experience with

i've summoned polterghast so many times on accident when grinding phantoplasm or making the very arena for him.

I'd prefer if it's not post-Polterghast, then you can make a Polter arena without interruption from Polter himself.

it's a QoL feature that is long overdue, like my previous suggestion of an item to stop the cultists from spawning.

You're not gonna be ready to fight Polter if you're Pre-Provi, so if you want Phantoplasm then be ready to have your grinding session consistently interrupted by Polterghast!

[hollow shell]

Question

What do you need the Phantoplasm for

[left elbow]

especially egregious if you left behind a Dungeon Chest item you need for crafting, since if the chest is deep in the dungeon then you're gonna need to magic mirror out of there too many times

i mean even if you're post-provi polterghast appearing before you have an arena for him is just obnoxious

since Post-Provi is when you really need Phantoplasm

for Bloodstone Cores

[hollow shell]

Indeed

Post-Prov is also when you're most equipped to handle him

[left elbow]

yeah

[hollow shell]

(also)

[left elbow]

but it doesn't matter if you have no arena to fight him in

doesn't matter how equipped you are, you aren't killing Polter in some cramped dungeon hallway

[hot zephyr]

There's a case to be made for Polter's spawn mechanic to be an inconvenience, and is something a lot more common than random boss spawns

[left elbow]

yeah

Probably way more common

among any playthrough

since you're gonna need to fight Polter to progress

[hot zephyr]

imho just cutting the beacon to be 25-50 phantoplasm and then axing the spawn mechanic would be my pick

[left elbow]

well, technically not but you're sure as hell gonna be needing ruinous souls for endgame gear crafting trees

[left elbow]

Yes.

100 Phantoplasm for Necroplasmic Beacon is just

pain

[hot zephyr]

It's not difficult to get but there's not a reason for it to be that much when Bloodstone already requires a fair bit of phantoplasm

[left elbow]

mhm

either make an item stopping phantom spirits from summoning polterghast or remove the mechanic altogether

it's literally the one calamity boss summon outside of death mode that potentially is out of your control

because you can't really ignore killing the phantom spirits

you can ignore cysts and water elemental if you're underequipped

but there's basically no ignoring phantom spirits

they'll pester you endlessly until you leave the dungeon or kill them

And, they're, you know, the entire source of Phantoplasm.

this situation is even worse if you play summoner

since then Polterghast spawning is out of your control

since unlike cysts and water elemental, minions will target phantom spirits

[crude geode]

Sugg seems good. It's also pretty problematic since there's no way to reset the spawn without triggering it and then leaving.

[fossil finch]

Soul Sealer, inventory favorite thing, prevents it, made with runic souls or whatever

[hollow shell]

(what is a runic soul)

[fossil finch]

Oh

Ruinous

[crude geode]

Ruinous Souls wouldn't help.

[hollow shell]

Post-Polter yeah, doesn't help

[fossil finch]

Wait is it disabled after you kill polter

[hollow shell]

Yes

[fossil finch]

Oh
Ok then

[crude geode]

I think honestly making it a debuff could be nice, ala thorium's false presence debuff.

[hollow shell]

What for

Indication?

(cuz there are status messages as you kill Phantos)

[crude geode]

that or just so you can leave and cancel the debuff by being away for long enough

[hollow shell]

Could be welcome yeah

[crude geode]

anyway this is implemented would be nice tho.

~~funny torch ref from darkest dungeon ~~

[cobalt pewter]

Why not just implement a unique, passive mob for Polter spawn instead? And disable Polter spawning from Phantom Spirit kills

[left elbow]

This also works

something with high hp so you can't destroy it on accident

again, more like the cysts and anahita lure

[keen zealot]

though with the increased potency of the weapons by that stage it would be absurdly easy to kill it from offscreen

maybe make it so that you can't damage it unless it's within a ~30 tile radius of you?

[cobalt pewter]

Yea

[crude geode]

adding a unique, passive mob for polter spawn sounds unnecessary when phantom spirits being killed summoning the BIG messy mob made of a bunch of phantom spirits is good flavor wise

[glass sentinel]

and phantom spirits cant be 1 shot either

[ruby plover]

there are the really small ones that get close to being one shot but at the same time they are one of multiple possible phantom spirits

[sleek wadi]

Phantom Spirits feel like they get one-shot more often than not, I think only the large one has any sort of notable health pool

[ruby plover]

not really one-shot but killed in a few seconds definitely

i'm assuming thats what you meant actually so i dont know why i said that

[earnest raptor]

what

[glass sentinel]

what what

you're gonna have to be more specific

[earnest raptor]

what weapon before provi deals more than 5000-7000 damage in one hit?

[glass sentinel]

are you reading this correctly?

i said can't

[earnest raptor]

oh

I am dumbass

[fossil finch]

Does as drop those

[eternal escarp]

he does

iirc

[deft yew]

“Only Desert Scourge drops Victide materials now.”

[eternal escarp]

thats in 1.5

[deft yew]

so i assume that’s fixed

[fossil finch]

Like all suggs

[eternal escarp]

well yeah but i didnt wanna be rude and interrupt them mid way

[deft yew]

Heck even the stuff that’s not in changelogs gets added sometimes
Like the fishability of reaper teeth which I asked about once

[half sage]

do you mean the absorber?

amalgam is combining a bunch of expert drops

[fossil finch]

1 you mean absorber/sponge/whatever the other one was called (3 separate accs in 1.5, they no longer mesh into sponge afaik)

2 no because you shouldn't be able to just craft everything imo, terraria is a game where grinding is a mechanic after all, just neglecting all of that is harmful for the experience (imo ((My opinion)) (((what i think)))))

[exotic stag]

gotta agree with ender. if you could just craft it all then whats the point of just grinding for it

[hollow shell]

@loud cloak Wrong name. You meant The Absorber.

And yes I would also prefer a solution that is not just crafting them, that's exceedingly boring

[wooden wedge]

don't the creatures that spawn in pre HM have the same spawn rates

in HM

I think the only thing I'd agree with this sugg is that the sea snail fucking sucks

[fossil finch]

Then buff the drop rate

Didn't they do that now that i think about it

[eternal escarp]

they did iirc

[hollow shell]

One of the first 1.5 changes

[deft yew]

Actually a bunch of the Absorber ingredients have buffed drop rates now