suggestions-discussion

[short walrus]

this poor guy is gonna get laughed at for months

[cobalt rose]

first true plantera now this

[worn salmon]

true plantera???

no way this is unironic lmfao

[ruby plover]

I fear for the worst…

[eternal escarp]

Since no one seemed to have informed them
@lofty wraith boss suggestions are a Don't, even more so without reasoning

[tardy smelt]

it duwn't hawe enough OwOspeak smh

[steady warren]

[worn salmon]

i like how he didnt even list attacks or drops

[eternal escarp]

if he did it wouldve just gone over the specification Don't more aswell

byeah

[tardy smelt]

just make your own mod

[marble hazel]

amazing

[tardy smelt]

or your own game

don't have to deal with terraria's weird design restrictions originating from the fact its a procedurally generated sandbox that way

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell ❗, deletion even

[tranquil perch]

@lofty wraith

[mystic anchor]

It would be hilarious if this made it to suggesion voting

[frail mantle]

not really

[eternal escarp]

^

plus rover / anyone else with exclamation perms will see it before it does lmao

[ashen warren]

If they add astralgeldon slime boss back as a post moonlord boss I would be happy

[fallow hedge]

I wake up to see that in sugg-post

[grim tusk]

heartsplusup is going to do something like that in soon™️

[ashen warren]

Yes that is good to hear 👍

[exotic stag]

calamity nostalgia mod

[tardy smelt]

I sincerely hope they don't

[lean bone]

theres a mod adding astrageldon back

its not out yet though

[fossil finch]

(A reworked one)

[lean bone]

yes

[summer arrow]

What would be the point of fighting something you built, you build a robot, it tries to kill you, you kill it and you get… the pieces you made it with

[hollow shell]

(it could work if it was something magical/alchemical, where the act of fighting it serves to alter and fuse the components used to construct it)

[eternal escarp]

also video game logic insertion here ig

[summer arrow]

Sword hitting robot = robot materials turning into other stuff

[worn salmon]

nothing aside from the feeling of accomplishment

[hollow shell]

@willow viper Lore items are losing their effects in the upcoming update

They're becoming text only

[deft yew]

And SG’s effect doesn’t go anywhere

Only lore effects moving to items are spawn stoppers and Cryo dash, iirc

[hollow shell]

yeah

Cryo dash moved to Ornate Shield (for various reasons)

If you want the SG lore effect then make your arena out of Frozen Slime Blocks

[deft yew]

Finally a non-scarf dash

Wait, can you ram with ornate shield now?

[hollow shell]

Not currently in the public version, but in 1.5 yes

[sleek turret]

probably

[deft yew]

Dang

Bouta cheese spaz lol

[sleek turret]

frozen slime blocks are funny

[willow viper]

y tho

[hollow shell]

Too difficult to balance.

[willow viper]

oh i understand

okay

[hollow shell]

^

[grim tusk]

AS lore is the greatest example of must have

[willow viper]

true

[cold cosmos]

Also all the item grab range

[royal tapir]

Skeletron Prime

[cold cosmos]

And possibly crab

[grim tusk]

And then theres BoC lore and SG lore which are so ridiculously op that they literally are banned from Nohits (having more than 4 lores is also banned)

[cold cosmos]

Crab lore is broken af

[hollow shell]

And it's particularly difficult to utilize conditional downsides for them, considering they can simply be unfavorited at any time to cancel the downside

[cold cosmos]

Exactly

[grim tusk]

And that you can have as many as you want

i think AS hp bar showing is better

helps to warn you about its prescence

[slow plover]

I feel like a giant worm being seen under the water is enough of a warning

[grim tusk]

rather than not knowing that it is there shootting around and then have AS leap at you

[slow plover]

Fair point

[hollow shell]

AS isn't always on-screen or visible, it could be inside darkness of water or blocks

[clever stump]

they should add a meat grinder recipe

[hollow shell]

We could

Though there's not a whole lot of reason to

considering it is exclusively used to make aesthetic items

[exotic stag]

most of steampunkers items are aesthetics

I mean its not that hard to find travelling merchant?

or skeleton merchant

or hell most rare mobs..

[distant gyro]

this sounds so nested

[exotic stag]

to me it sounds like bad luck to be honest..

or you dont search..

[distant gyro]

so you wanted a recipe for spelunker glowsticks... for the sole purpose of crafting a metal detector

[hollow shell]

Skeleton Merchant is not that hard to find

[distant gyro]

so why not suggest for the metal detector to use something else?

[exotic stag]

or y'know just make metal detector and spelunker have an upgrade

combine the two effects into something like a metal detector that shows all nearest ore of a certain type that you choose (thats available obviously)

[fossil finch]

or... just implement that into metal detector, goblin tech or phone simply because those already exist and making another item for it would be bruvhe

[wooden wedge]

ichor

what

what would the point of ichor even be in that crafting recipe

also spelunker glowsticks drop from abyss pots

[hollow shell]

Quite true, I forgot about that

@willow viper https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Abyssal_Treasure

[clever stump]

its used to make blood orbs

its important

[grim tusk]

you cant fucking make blood orbs

[clever stump]

i think you can

[grim tusk]

at least not in vanilla cal

[sleek turret]

how can you make blood orbs if you don't have a base material to

[hollow shell]

What is not Calamity

[distant gyro]

hover over the item

see what the recipe is added by

[hollow shell]

Hover over the Blood Orb in that menu ,it should tell you the mod that adds the recipe

yeah

[hollow shell]

CalValEX

That's Calamity Vanities

[sleek turret]

yep

[hollow shell]

Not owned by Calamity

[clever stump]

oh

damn

didnt know that

ok

btw im not sure if this is a calamity or game thing but you can only get meat grinder from crimson enemies for some reason

[hollow shell]

Yep, that's vanilla

[clever stump]

damnnnn

[hollow shell]

It was only made to drop from Corruption enemies in Journey's End (due to the addition of the Lesion set), which Calamity has not updated to yet

(because tModLoader is still in the middle of updating the modding API to Journey's End)

[clever stump]

rip\

[sleek wadi]

Anything planned for Ecto Blood? I have a suggestion in mind to remove it from the game in favor of just giving dungeon mobs a chance to drop Ectoplasm directly

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-voting message

Universally approved by devs

This was the last time Ectoblood was mentioned in the dev server

No actions yet

[sleek wadi]

Alright no need to make a repeat then

[hollow shell]

m.

I've been waiting for the update to release before moving the bluecheck date

so that sugg is technically within the bounds till

but yknow
its been a while

[distant gyro]

Bluecheck is probably the weirdest suggestion mark ever

since bluecheck tags are hardly checked on

[cobalt pewter]

perhaps

[safe oasis]

is there a special mark when bluechecks reach the star mark or is it just a bump in the dev server with nothing here

[distant gyro]

now we only bluechecks once it reaches the star mark

because otherwise too lazy to check

[safe oasis]

👍

[tropic yoke]

Anyone know if the massive monolith furniture material costs are getting fixed in v1.5 or should I suggest that?

ex. the monolith lantern costing 18 astral monoliths to craft

oop it's thursday

[hollow shell]

I haven't heard anything about that, then again it'd be a pretty minor change anyway, so it could've gotten changed without anyone mentioning it

Lemme check the test source and get back to you

[tropic yoke]

_ _

Ooh also monolith doesn't merge with glass like smooth navystone does

Tiny things

[hollow shell]

Astral Candle still takes 12 monolith to craft
So, no, hasn't been fixed

[tropic yoke]

Sucks

[hollow shell]

(and Lantern costs 18)

So you can suggest that

they get lowered

or at least changed

to be more appropriate

[tropic yoke]

Almost wanna keep it

Lantern costs more than the chandelier lmao

[hollow shell]

And
Table costs 8, Clock costs 10, Bench costs 5

[tropic yoke]

Well most of those are right

[hollow shell]

Bookcase costs 20 and Dresser costs 16 so those are fitting at least

[tropic yoke]

The table is def 8

Case is 20

I'll compare somewhere else and suggest changes to all the weird ones

[hollow shell]

I have no idea why it happened this way

[tropic yoke]

It's been like that

For ages

Probs a typo no one noticed and then no one cared about enough to report

Myself included until now

Wow the Chandelier is super cheap

4 of whatever material, a chain, and 4 torches

Candelabra: Monolith (15) + Stardust (3) -> Monolith (5) + Stardust (3)
Candle: Monolith (12) + Stardust -> Monolith (4) + Stardust
Chandelier: Monolith (12) + Stardust (4) -> Monolith (4) + Stardust (4) + Chain
Lamp: Monolith (9) + Stardust -> Monolith (3) + Stardust
Lantern: Monolith (18!) + Stardust -> Monolith (6) + Stardust

That's all I can find

Is that too bulky to post in suggestions or not?

[swift mango]

To make it less specific you could just say ‘reduce the astral monolith required for monolith light sources’ or something of the like

[tropic yoke]

Yeah I noticed it was only lightsources

Tweak monolith light source crafting costs

For some reason, the monolith candelabra, candle, chandelier, lamp, and lantern all cost way more monoliths to make than they should.

That enough to go off of?

[hollow shell]

You can and should include their current values

And probably a few of the other furniture piece amounts for reference

The not-recommended part is providing the numbers you want them to be

[tropic yoke]

That's the number they should be

Every furniture piece I could find

Even others in calamity

[tropic yoke]

Were the costs I listed here

Blazed through the vanilla and calamity wiki

[hollow shell]

Okay, that's better then
If you explain that almost all other sets use those values then it should be good

[tropic yoke]

Gj on that wiki btw v pretty and shiny

Aight

[hollow shell]

Thanks, we hate it

[tropic yoke]

lmfao

[hollow shell]

Parent company 'Fandom' fucked us over and forced a total UI change

[tropic yoke]

Yeah I can't copy/paste sprites from the wiki anymore

The palette gets all fucked and I can't make cool stuff

[hollow shell]

mhm, that's one of several issues

You have to do really specific things to get the original PNGs out of wiki images now

[tropic yoke]

You know?

By any chance

[hollow shell]

I know how, yes

[tropic yoke]

:o

[hollow shell]

If you have an account, click on the image in its infobox and then click on the png name at the top left of the box that pops up
That'll take you to the file page. There, you find the .png link that's below the image and right next to text that tells you the image's width and height and filesize

You wanna right click on that link and do "Save link as..." . That, and only that, will give you the original PNG

If you don't have an account, make one.

[tropic yoke]

Ooh sounds tough

[hollow shell]

There is a second method which doesn't require an account but is weirder

[tropic yoke]

O.o

Suggestion time ig

[hollow shell]

Yeah post that suggestion

before we get too off-track

[tropic yoke]

Of all the suggestions I ever posted

All those stars

All that spriting

Ignore the fact that most of em' sucked

lol

[hollow shell]

You should include the current costs for people who don't know

[tropic yoke]

oop

[hollow shell]

also it's weird to say that other furnitures cost Stardust

[tropic yoke]

I mean they do

[hollow shell]

They don't

[tropic yoke]

?

[hollow shell]

"Other candelabras cost 6 monoliths and 3 stardust"

[tropic yoke]

Oh I get it

I'll say torc

[hollow shell]

And probably don't say monolith either

something like "respective material" and then shorten that to "material"

cuz you're tryin to talk about what's in other furniture sets

[tropic yoke]

yeah my mind makes lots of jumps

[hollow shell]

aight cool, good

[tropic yoke]

_ _

[hollow shell]

Now you can include the current Astral costs

[tropic yoke]

Done

_ _

[hollow shell]

Epic

[tropic yoke]

That one's been bugging me for literal years

[hollow shell]

... and if you'll forgive my backseating
You can say that all the other furnitures in the set don't cost any weirdly high amounts

So that people don't think monolith furniture is just high overall

It really is just a problem with the light sources.

For some reason.

[tropic yoke]

Looks like they were all multiplied by 3

Uber weird

[tardy smelt]

You can also look up the wiki page in #wiki-lookup

That'll give you the original image of some items as well

[hollow shell]

What?

Which items?

It looks like it goes to the same internal file pages that the wiki takes you to

and as such

not PNG

[hot zephyr]

whoever @invalid-user is, they make some pretty good suggestions

[frozen hornet]

True!

[tardy smelt]

not items really, just whichever sprite is displayed in the top-right corner like here

[exotic stag]

you can also use windows + shift + s...

[tardy smelt]

the image you get will be blurred

[exotic stag]

look. i just did it

(windows shift + s on calamity wiki is what i did)

[willow viper]

oh awesome! I didn't know that. Thanks!

I swear I opened like 20 of those yesterday and couldn't get one!

[fossil finch]

Me with the spriter resource:

[exotic stag]

its a tiny little blur

and its not even that blurry lol

[tardy smelt]

as someone who has worked on pixel art-type games I beg to differ

[frozen hornet]

It's pretty blurry on my end

[exotic stag]

on my end it looks fine

its probably becuase its a small item. lets test it on the funny bigger sword

[tardy smelt]

blur once again

[exotic stag]

theres still no blur there for me lol. it just looks like lens flare

[tardy smelt]

the real issue here is with these subpixels

see how they're different colors?

that's not correct afaik

[eternal escarp]

yeah it is not correct

its just the image compressing and blending colors iirc

[tardy smelt]

yup

[hollow shell]

(late but) Yeah, that kind of compression is unacceptable if you're trying to work with it as a sprite
And some sprites have it worse than others. I noticed the color red gets really mushy when the WebP compresses it

Look at this garbage https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/563021760207781915/836409629881270363/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/563021760207781915/823434025418096680/unknown.png

[fallow hedge]

yeah I've heard webp is very much so disliked for this reason and others

[fossil finch]

webp hates red colors

brimstone @ the isaac wiki is a victim and example of how much it hates them

[hard bronze]

they should make the sunken sea more valuable

or make it more purposeful because u only go like twice

and its the best biome in the game in my opinion

[frozen hornet]

It will be reworked eventually

[hollow shell]

God that's gross

It's supposed to look like this by the way

[frozen hornet]

fear

[hollow shell]

And uhh yeah we do have some plans for the Sunken Sea in the future

[hard bronze]

Yay

[hollow shell]

but not a whole lot

In terms of valuable content

afaik

Our planned changes mostly concern its visual design and generation

[hard bronze]

Oh

Darn I wish there could be like some ore that u could mine there

[hollow shell]

Sea Prism fits that purpose in a sense

[frozen hornet]

There's the prisms

[hard bronze]

That are actually useful

[frozen hornet]

Also more ore sounds kinda boring

[hard bronze]

True

Maybe a boss?

[hollow shell]

The problem is that, yeah
Sea Prisms aren't that useful

because almost everything they craft is contained to Sunken Sea related items

and not part of later trees

(aside from one or two items)

[grim tusk]

sea prisms being used for victide bars

[hollow shell]

(actually I think it's literally just one item)

So
You could suggest that Sea Prisms get dispersed into recipes throughout the game

Much like we did for Abyss materials

Depth Cells and Lumenyl

[frozen hornet]

Aren't prism shards used for other stuff as well?

[hard bronze]

THat would be cool

Or maybe a boss that drops the ore too

[hollow shell]

Prism Shards are not used for any non-SS concent

except a vanity pet.

[frozen hornet]

Damn I thought it crafted into more stuff

[grim tusk]

we got prismbacks already

no need for a boss

[hard bronze]

True prismbacks are too hard for me to click

[grim tusk]

as those spawn somewhat frequently in SS

[hard bronze]

kill*

[hollow shell]

If we'd be adding any new "boss drop" type materials we'd be giving it to Giant Clam

[grim tusk]

and clam already has mollusk husks

[hollow shell]

However it's more likely that we'd add to existing materials

yes

[hard bronze]

Are they gonna rework giant clam?

Hes kinda not that fun to fight tbh

[grim tusk]

well the minibosses arent all flashy at all

the only flashy one would be nuclear terror

but its also still simple

[hard bronze]

True and the only reason you really fight giant clam is to get the sea king

[grim tusk]

and stuff on hm

weapons

very good weapons

[hard bronze]

Eh

[grim tusk]

prismaline, poseidon, clam crusher, clamor rifle, shellfish staff and mollusk armor

[hollow shell]

But uh, yeah
I approve of a suggestion to do this

[hard bronze]

Oh i thought u meant from the sea king himself

[fossil finch]

Remove amidias trident
?
Hell

[thin nova]

ok can we agree sunken sea needs a rework?

[lean bone]

the sprites, yes

[thin nova]

i mean i'm really not that concerned about reworking the sprites

but the area is just so clausterphobic

[lean bone]

ok

[frail mantle]

_ _

[fossil finch]

sunken sea doesn't need a whole lot of new content though i agree it does need more, just not a lot

anyways, worldgen changes look very interesting

[earnest raptor]

Is new crafting recipes don't?

[fossil finch]

no

[dapper coral]

@ashen warren no joke suggs

[ashen warren]

No fair

[wooden wedge]

it's the rules bro

[ashen warren]

If I gave u 10 bucks would you do ot

[dapper coral]

cease

[wooden wedge]

don't blame us for your lack of sight

[ashen warren]

How bout 20

[fossil finch]

ultrabright

[ashen warren]

For a throwable toe

[earnest raptor]

Stop trolling

[dapper coral]

if you continue you're gonna get warned

[earnest raptor]

And donator weapons are done

No more

[fossil finch]

.

solve typo grr

[ashen warren]

😠

[wooden wedge]

• They have very similar colors.
  not too sure if I can really agree with this being a good point

[runic wraith]

about the yharon egg thing

I suggest suspicious looking egg (sus egg for short)

[grim tusk]

Hmm wonder if thats used already… (lepus)

[sleek turret]

Lepus

[hollow shell]

Yharon isn't related to Cthulhu at all so that wouldn't really be a fitting naming scheme

The three other non-Cthulhu items that're "Suspicious Looking" were removed from the game, or were always version-exclusive

[tawny garden]

(fandom keeps telling us that they're working on this but I don't think they are)

use the resource in the art server

or wherever it is, I forgor

[hollow shell]

Yes the pixel-art channel has a pinned drive with all source sprites

[obsidian cove]

It’s called Spriters resource iirc

At least that’s the one tmod has

[hollow shell]

I don't think Calamity has an entry on Spriter's Resource.

[fossil finch]

It does not

[obsidian cove]

I was thinking of vanilla sprites for some reason

Sorry about that

[hollow shell]

You are correct there

Vanilla Terraria is on Spriter's Resource

[hollow shell]

@unique reef Profaned Soul Crystal is a developer's dedicated item

[grim tusk]

needs Amber's permission @unique reef

[unique reef]

i was worried about that

[hollow shell]

Suggestions like these require their permission first

[unique reef]

dang, ok

[hollow shell]

However, uhh
Amber is not currently available

[grim tusk]

and you'll need to change PSA too as well

[crude geode]

psa is easier to change

[grim tusk]

nerf it please

[unique reef]

i thought about that one, but i was afraid it would become OP

[grim tusk]

it already is, even despite all of its nerfs

[hollow shell]

I'll just, ask that you hold onto this suggestion for now

[unique reef]

okay

i'll put it somewhere for later

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[unique reef]

i'm currently fighting Night Provi, and it feels so weird, lol

[jovial spire]

best boss in the game tbh

[unique reef]

i wish the PSA/PSC would turn blue like that

[hollow idol]

speaking of color changes, will uh, anything ever be done about the fact that profaned energies are orange but at night their projectiles get the night provi colors but the enemy doesnt

[unique reef]

i feel like things like that might change

[dapper coral]

i think? it is nerfed a bit for 1.5

something happened to it, at least

[bright crag]

Why don't you use Profaned Dye...?

[unique reef]

It doesn't change the guardians or the projectiles

[bright crag]

I see

[unique reef]

i also find the guardian AI derpy.

I would love it if the defense guardian protected you with something

maybe i'll draw a silly little diagram showing what i mean

[deft yew]

Wait a minute

Imagine if the PSC required and had the effects of the Guardian’s Relics

Now THAT would make a fun active summon weapon

[ruby plover]

woah wait a minute that's real cool

[hollow shell]

I mean

PSC already has fully customized attacks for each of the five damage classes (modified to deal summon damage)

and the PSA guardians

Do you really wanna add more to that

[ruby plover]

okay yeah true

[deft yew]

Fair enough

PSC would be bonkers with the relics now that I think about it

i mean just use them by themselves smh

[exotic stag]

i still remember that time when i pointed out the fact that the absent patron donor thing cannot be suggested but dev absence can. it confused people

[hollow shell]

I think I've been operating under the assumption that absent patron was the same as absent developer...

Lemme see..

[exotic stag]

yeah it confused so many people

actually does vanity change require dev permission?

[hollow shell]

Such as?

[exotic stag]

actually i completely forgot the example i was going for but i meant something like say counter scarf showing (i just forgot my original example so i did that)

ohh nvm i was doing it about howls heart showing like a blue heart or something when vanity is turned on

[hollow shell]

That's a donor item, not dev
and yes it would require permission

[exotic stag]

k

[hollow shell]

Why, is the blue heart also a reference to Howl's Moving Castle?

[exotic stag]

what?

i have never heard that name

[hollow shell]

That's
what Howl's Heart is a reference to

[exotic stag]

oh

yeah i havent heard that name i just interpreted it as something else

[crude geode]

It's the whole purpose of the vanity item

[unique reef]

well that would really be nice, because summoner is often overlooked in mods. Even PSC does vastly less DPS compared to Endogenesis/Temporal hat

600k (PSC)vs 1M avg (the other two summon weps)

[hollow shell]

(It's not that summoner is overlooked, it's that it is the hardest class to make new weapons for)

(The most complicated class from a programming perspective)

[torn crown]

@loud cloak In 1.5, Boss Zen is only given to those who are within 400 blocks of one

[hollow shell]

Yep

[loud cloak]

ohhh is that the draedon update

[hollow shell]

Ye, upcoming.

[torn crown]

Yeah

I suggest you search changelogs/FaQ to see if your sugg has already been implemented or is steering on the opposite direction

[hollow shell]

tbf the changelog doesn't specifically pertain to WoF

[loud cloak]

I only saw it as a problem with wall of flesh

[hollow shell]

But the change solves the problem regardless

so, all good

[unique reef]

Yes, but a certain mod makes it possible

[loud cloak]

true yea

[torn crown]

Maybe we can change it for Boss Zen range to vary within bosses, but it's a don't since that's future content

[loud cloak]

btw dhould i delete the suggestion or just wait until the bot does

[torn crown]

Your choice

[hollow shell]

It doesn't matter but you may as well delete it now

[torn crown]

Some people don't immediately delete it to give other people ideas

[hollow shell]

Suggs are usually only kept around with ❗ if we are awaiting the original poster to edit it

Suggs like this aren't awaiting edits, they're just already implemented so they don't need to exist :P

[loud cloak]

alright

ill make sure to read teh changelogs better in the future

draedon update is just kinda huge so i didnt remember everything ( did look through it)

[hollow shell]

Quite fair.

s'been in development for almost a year now

[ruby plover]

i read the entire draedon update changelog in one sitting because i focus on very specific things at very specific times

there are many changes... and it's all lookin good

[hollow idol]

yo what happened to the dragon egg sug, it had 100+ stars earlier and now its in the void

[fossil finch]

Pisscord idk

[hollow shell]

Yes we've encountered this problem in the dev server too

They'll come back, eventually

(Unfortunately this may or may not have a subconscious effect on voters)

[crude geode]

you can still tell how many votes there are by looking at "reactions" at least.

[hollow shell]

No, even that one's bugged for me

[crude geode]

actually yeah it is for me, apologies.

[ashen warren]

guys, when a suggestion has the green check reaction, means that it's approved by the devs?

[hollow idol]

it means sent to the dev server for dev voting

[ashen warren]

I really liked this suggestion so id like if it will be implemented on the update

[hollow idol]

(see pins)

[ashen warren]

thank you

[hollow idol]

🏁 or 🛠️ are the ones that signal being added/todo listed

[ashen warren]

yes I'm reading the pinned messages now

thanks

[hollow idol]

what are yalls opinions on this little guy?
Considering making a sugg to remove or change em since (for me) they don't really pose any threat and are only annoying for clearing arenas for refights

[hollow shell]

They probably can be removed yes
They only serve a threat when you're on the ground, and if you are on the ground, you already have the very significant threat of the Scourge itself to deal with
i.e. they do not add anything to the fight

[grim tusk]

I can see them having a purpose on sandstorms instead

Maybe shove Cnidrion with it as well

Pre-hm sandstorm is indeed lacking

blizzard is more but no one cares

[crude geode]

Can you really shove more into early pre-hm tho

especially with the ore armors having a purpose next update

[hollow idol]

i meanm, desert already has dune splicers and tomb crawlers

[grim tusk]

Desert is the worm biome

Even more than fucking corruption

Worms fucking everywhere

Less in 1.4

Where it became antlion biome

[hollow idol]

rework into a post moon lord desert enemy (enemy variety) that attacks you in packs

[grim tusk]

That could work

[hollow shell]

That would be pretty weird

[grim tusk]

Even better

Post-ML is where theres lots of stuff thats kind of like that

Draconic swarmers

[crude geode]

I'm fine with the idea of removing dried seekers (and the clones spawned by Desert Scourge but they have a bit more purpose)

[hollow shell]

(except at the moment Swarmers are pretty rare)

[grim tusk]

Yea prob better in pre-hm

As it only has the tumbleweed enemy

Cnidrion could be made to do something as a miniboss of the pre-hm sandstorm.
Cuz rn he seems very pointless

Even more on 1.5

and blizzard let in the dust, or should i say snow?

[hollow shell]

Vanilla is adding at least one new mob to the snow biome soon

That we know of

[grim tusk]

Deerclops kinda doesnt count

although i hope we get some other DST enemies, Mak tusk would be interesting, Koalefant too

Klaus and Krampus in Terraria tho :desolage:

[hollow shell]

We already have Krampus

[grim tusk]

DST krampus is annoying as fuck

Griefing mob

Better kill it asap otherwise items stolen

[hollow idol]

oh yeah, nother sugg idea I had (won't fully develop it tonight since tired) is adding Boss Rush to the Boss Checklist since it is an event, and there are quite a few people who miss out on the event due to not knowing it exists.

[hollow shell]

It's not there already?

Strange

[torn crown]

"Boss Rush"

then below it shows every boss like it was a family reunion or something

either that or it's sorted by tiers

[summer arrow]

I’m excited too

[exotic stag]

damn i was gonna suggest something about proficiency but byeah i think it'd be too complicated

[tardy smelt]

you can elaborate on your idea here

and then we can help you format it into a passable suggestion if the idea is good

[exotic stag]

yeah i was going to make a thing about other ways to earn proficiency rather then just "ok farm time"

Like certain stations where you can increase your proficiency by like 10 exp points or whatever it uses every 5 minutes or so..

[tardy smelt]

I never farmed for proficiency

you gain it over the course of the playthrough, naturally

[exotic stag]

yeah but other ways to gain it can help lul

[tardy smelt]

I honestly think the current system is fine as it is... but I'm not sure about what others think

[exotic stag]

i mean its just options for the player to discover

and its not really that "impactful" (since its like 10 exp points per 5 minutes)

[hollow shell]

I am of the opinion that proficiency shouldn't exist, but Fabsol wants to keep it
It's part of its design to be hands-off and not offer super significant benefits, s'just a little extra thing to make you feel like you're progressing in a playthrough
But imo, in doing so, it is entirely superfluous and adds very little to the gameplay experience, partly because you gain proficiency by doing the same thing you are always doing in a playthrough: hitting enemies

So
adding an alternative method to gain prof, while still being pretty minor overall, would be welcome I think

[eternal escarp]

ive seen this convo yesterday and decided to sugg about it, since i liked the idea

Establish various Sunken Sea materials and items more into the game in various other areas

The Sunken Sea is a modded biome added by Calamity with minor prevalence at the start of the game and Early HM, Providing with 3 new material types (Sea Prism, Prism Shards, and Mollusk Husks)

The issue with these materials is their very limited use:
Sea Prisms are used for a singular (and small in comparison to other areas) weapon tier and a potion, Sea Shards are used in conjecture to Sea Prisms, and Mollusk Husks are used for a grand total of 4 items (Prismalline and the Mollusk Armor) leaving them highly unused when compared to materials of the likes of Phantoplasm, Depth Cells, Stardust etc.

My suggestion is to scatter these items into more use throughout the game, to allow for more interesting Sunken Sea content and to give a bigger reason to revisit the Sunken Sea more often (and therefore, find the various Item Drops that are hidden from players, like the Eutropic Scimitar)

wrote on phone so if theres any typo or abything i should fix before i post this, let me know

[hollow shell]

Yes this looks good
Just Phantoplasm and Scimitar as typos

[eternal escarp]

gotcha

[hollow shell]

I brainstormed last night about what recipes these could be added to

[eternal escarp]

i dont remember that iirc

but to my mind, electricity and aquatic items make sense

[hollow idol]

victide possibly

[eternal escarp]

true

[hollow shell]

Yeah sorry I meant, on my own, I brainstormed

And yeah I thought if that as well

[eternal escarp]

ah, lol

[fossil finch]

Victory Shard Paradox

[hollow shell]

Replacing Victory Shards with Sea Prism in Victide Bar recipe

[fossil finch]

You see that's the paradox

People complain bout them being useless but doing that makes them more useless even if lores and the pot exist

Mathematical impossibility

Iirc

[hollow shell]

Simply remove victory shards

[eternal escarp]

was suggested and denied tho iirc

[fossil finch]

Replace them with what

[eternal escarp]

the paradox is unsolvable

[hollow shell]

Fallen Stars, probably

[fossil finch]

Can't wait to craft lores with fallen stars then

And the uh

Pot

Idk the name

I just know it's a good pot

[hollow shell]

mhm

[eternal escarp]

Prism Shards would fit imo but

yeah

[hollow shell]

Yes that is also a replacement option but in most cases isn't super thematic

Victide works great though

[exotic stag]

btw can i get some tips for wording if im actually going to do the "other ways to gain proficiency" suggestion

[eternal escarp]

gameplay wise it works too atleast

being post DS and shardlike abundance

[deft yew]

Victory shard removal wouldn’t work because of all the other recipes that use it, imo

Maybe they could drop from every boss but less

[eternal escarp]

that would make victory shards identity crisis become omnipotent

[deft yew]

bruh i never found magic mirror loud like at all

what REALLY causes ear pain is draedon’s turrets which have been fixed

[fallow hedge]

I don't think this is a Calamity issue? you should probably use a resource pack in this case then

[hollow shell]

Eh, we could change it if we wanted to

... probably

[rugged stone]

[glass sentinel]

that is true

remember death whistle's old sound

[rugged stone]

I just always mute my audio

[glass sentinel]

that was the true #1 cause of ear bleeding

[deft yew]

is there a video with it or smth

[hollow shell]

Its old sound?

[deft yew]

i’ve never heard it

[hollow shell]

Is that not its current sound?

[gusty kelp]

I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to adjust my audio just to go home. And while getting an external resource pack for it would work, I think it would be a nice addition for such a content mod.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ORqAsTqs34

Literally the first one I found has a audio warning.

[deft yew]

You know it could easily be turned up, right

[hollow shell]

wdym

[gusty kelp]

He's talking about the audio in the video.

[rugged stone]

I don’t think it’s that loud

Even in the video

[gusty kelp]

It's worse in game.

[deft yew]

Are you sure you don’t have your sound effects turned up

[gusty kelp]

It's scale in game compared to everything else is ubsurd.

[deft yew]

Look at your general settings

[gusty kelp]

I know how to use Audio.

[hollow shell]

I also have not really had a problem with it
It is a high pitched sound but in my 2500 hours of playing the game I didn't think to have it specifically get turned down
Or if I ever did have that thought, it was infrequent and fleeting

But, that's just me

[crude geode]

Same

[hollow shell]

Your sugg is valid and people who agree can star it

(although your reasoning is a little hyperbolic)

[ashen warren]

magic mirror's sound is fine imo

also don't see why it'd be cal to change it

there's probably some mod for sound effects out there

[hollow shell]

At one point I had a Minecraft mod that let you adjust the volume of every single sound effect in the game to your liking
It'd be neat if that existed for Terraria too

[crude geode]

Agreed

[deft yew]

Even without cal that would be a HUGE settings menu

[ashen warren]

yeah

[glass sentinel]

more configs!!!!!!!!

[hollow shell]

byeah the Minecraft one had a search bar

[ashen warren]

a system like, per say, Fargo's enchant configs, but with a search bar would be cool for that but I think that should be for a separate mod

and cal devs shouldn't be the ones instantly being brought up to develop that

[crude geode]

Mhm. This suggestion is fine though, if not hyperbolic.

[ashen warren]

actually suggesting a mod for sth like that mc mod, but in Tmodloader server is a nice idea, but specifically magic mirror and for here...

maybe not the right server to make that suggestion

[gusty kelp]

The hyperbolism is in my nature. I apologize for that.

[keen zealot]

it's the high pitches, not the volume that hurt

but I agree it is pretty damn loud

the sound effect itself is what needs changing, not its volume imo

[hollow shell]

current

reduced treble

really reduced treble

[wooden wedge]

I've never had any issues with the magic mirror sounds

especially not to the point where it's deafening

[fallow hedge]

there have been times where it's louder than others for me idk

[fossil finch]

high pitched sure but deafening is weird yeah

[fossil finch]

YuH sent approved and implemented% speedrun sugg

[novel belfry]

Why brimstone crates?

that doesn't make lorewise sense

[green spindle]

I don't think you see it

I do

It really makes a lot of sense if you think about it

[novel belfry]

could ya explain

[green spindle]

No lol

[modern dagger]

It makes perfect sense.

[umbral mulch]

Basically fuckin

[novel belfry]

it's an extreme method

[modern dagger]

Duh

Exactly

[umbral mulch]

Cnidrions don't drop victide bar ingredients anymore

So it's post DS (next update anyway)

But victide should still be obtainable in some way

So make it absolutely fucking stupid to do

While still being technically possible

[modern dagger]

Its the best method.

[fossil finch]

Make exo blade a one copper coin merchant item iirc

Because calamity is all about non linearity or whatever

[umbral mulch]

This is why I never talk here

[hollow shell]

@shell grotto

Why Brimstone crates

[umbral mulch]

That person right there

[hollow shell]

but more importantly

This sugg's reasoning is based on something coming in 1.5
You should wait until 1.5 before suggesting it

[umbral mulch]

It was brimstone crates because it's even stupider to actually obtain

[modern dagger]

Rest in Pieces victide bars.

[fossil finch]

Absolutely no one skipping ds and getting victide by fishing in the crags at phmode

[umbral mulch]

There are people out there

Such as me

[shell grotto]

you'd be surprised

[green spindle]

you'd be surprised how many people will minmax the fuck out of their build

[hollow shell]

first note

[shell grotto]

my bad, i'll delete it

[keen zealot]

this is good

[hollow shell]

I acknowledge that one or two suggs with 1.5 content in their reasoning have slipped through

[fossil finch]

Still very dumb sugg imo
Not every single thing in the world should have an alt method of obtaining because of "non linearity"
But opinions or whatever

[modern dagger]

Thats kinda rude.

[river glen]

what about make like biomes slightly larger in terms of how far away i have to be for the biome to not count anymore, like when i fight desert scourge i am basically on the ground

maybe for balance reason?

but idk

it feels not very good to be right on the ground hugging it for desert scourge..

[fossil finch]

If you think ground hugging is the ultimate balance strat because it makes people expose themselves to the contact damage

[keen zealot]

where's the then in this if

[hollow shell]

He may have meant to say "If you think about it,"

[fossil finch]

Yeah

[dapper coral]

(also fix it respawning sometimes if killed too fast)
this part just sounds like a bug

[grim tusk]

why are BR evil bosses so jank

[hollow shell]

That definitely looks like a bug

You should exclude that and instead put in #bugs-read-pins (if it hasn't been reported already)

[grim tusk]

thats an old clip, im going to try to replicate it

[hollow shell]

That is not relevant

[grim tusk]

also it can respawn more than once https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516928309058076672/794466523544027176/2021-01-01_15-17-36_Trim.mp4 Credit to Brue

[languid quartz]

I was about to post that lmfao

[brisk bramble]

Yo 👋

[dapper coral]

this is

still a bug.

[languid quartz]

to be fair worm spawn positions are largely due to there being no blocks for them to spawn on in the br arenas

so spawncampy things can happen

and it's not really a concern for balance is how I understood it?

[grim tusk]

actually yea

Maybe except EoW due to how long it is

[languid quartz]

however stuff like BoC teleports would still fit

I'd mention polter but there's like 17 different changes to boss rush and polter and enrages next update so it'll be fixed

[brisk bramble]

Suggs kinda barren :/
No offense

[hollow shell]

mm, yes some are overdue on delivery, but uhhh

@zenith hazel I'm not sure what to do about that

[zenith hazel]

I'll still ask amber just in case

[hollow shell]

ehhh

Okay, if you feel like that'd be okay

[zenith hazel]

we don't have much of a choice

[silver silo]

hey I got a question would giving the player more ammo slots be a balance breaker

[cobalt pewter]

You already effectively have up to 44 ammo slots anyways

(only 4 are only ammo)

[silver silo]

I mean...I guess yeah, if you can handle having your inventory cluttered

[brisk bramble]

Considering a lot of players either use Max Stack Plus or Mutant

Yes

[frail mantle]

i agree

[brisk bramble]

@hollow shell yo
smthins afoot

[frail mantle]

gone

[brisk bramble]

Thanks

[tawny garden]

bot is once again kil

[patent nimbus]

@grim tusk can you mention how other worms can also spawn on top of you instead of just eow?

i made a sugg about that a while ago but it never got accepted

[exotic stag]

im just still thinking on how i should word my proficiency sugg

[zenith hazel]

@hollow shell amber's still cool with fixing the bot whenever it goes down (as you can tell from #suggestions-voting )

[crystal iron]

Why does the bot die so often anyway

[torn crown]

Oh hey the hardmode environmental effects got aproved

I'm not sure if I've seen it get approved before but I guess that's a thing

[grim tusk]

Originally mentioned it but due to their lenght thats more of world arena issue

EoW is too long so it does have that issue

[steel minnow]

Hey guys, how tf you you put the letters in bold for a suggestion?, lol

[distant gyro]

**text here**

[steel minnow]

Ohhhh

Thank You!

Ok, there it is, lmao

[grim tusk]

@steel minnow stuff for future content is not allowed to be sugged

also Xeroc wont arrive in at least 5 years lmao

also wydm by Sky/Space empty

theres planetoids

one with a lab even

the evil island too

[ashen warren]

It is pretty empty

You go up there like

[deft yew]

sun skater, shockstorm shuttle, cloud ele

[ashen warren]

Once

[deft yew]

3 times at least for me
-early game, lab
-wyverns and cloud ele
-summon weaver

[ashen warren]

I don't think summoning weaver really counts

[deft yew]

just like a dungeon trip doesn’t count if it’s to fight enraged void

[dapper coral]

this sounds like a lot of effort

[hollow shell]

Aight, cool

[hollow shell]

More importantly, a new biome falls under High Effort suggestion, therefore disallowed

(Spoilers, we are planning on adding a sky biome later on, just not for Xeroc)

[fossil finch]

holy shit rover leaks

[steel minnow]

Holy shit that's enough for me!
Thank You so much, i love this mod! 🌟💙🍀 xD

[hollow shell]

👍

[distant gyro]

the super secret sky concept leaked in real

[steel minnow]

Hope everything goes well, it could be amazing! ^^

[distant gyro]

it's Cinquedea and Frostcrush Valari iirc

smh

[exotic stag]

yes

its both of those

[fossil finch]

ro gue

[deft yew]

me when rouge

[deft yew]

isn't boss checklist developed by the tML team?

can't remember

[hollow shell]

It's at least partially developed by jojojelly who is a tMod developer

[deft yew]

ah

[soft quest]

i got 4 suggestions all related, idk if sending them separate is spammy though

======SUMMONER REWORK SUGGESTIONS======

1. advanced targeting: I would have liked to see advanced targeting for minions, target: weak enemies, close, strong, far, heck even some weapons could have alt attacks they you select for the minion depending on the encounter, imagine if xeno staff had a giant laser attack that did less damage than pulses but had a lot of pierce

2. They reallllllllly should expand on sentries; cool weapons that rely on the player to drag the boss to an area to be effective, a weapon that enforces both risk and still allows the player to focus dodging the boss. I would DOUBLE all damage of sentries but make the redeploy time of them increased by 3 seconds so you cant do the spam trick, in fact, id make sentries its own viable subclass with masks and accessories.

3. giving the player rewards for being risky, the brimflame summon does this well, having you to keep your minions in one place; after all summoner should be the class built around the premise of focusing on dodging, what better way to do that then to make them confined to an area to do potentially more damage. Thorium's buff totems also do this but there's only 4 in that mod which is unfortunate

4. the actual minion "buff" should give you real buffs. For example, slime staff would give you maybe like 5% jump boost, maybe imps would imbue all your minion attacks with fire, perhaps optic staff would make it so all your minion's range is increased, or a Xeno minion could give your minions a light chance to crit. This would make it so that a staff isnt just useless as soon as you pass it's point of progression, and make it so it is like youre selecting a team of diversified minions.

Hey @hollow shell, sorry for the ping but are these suggestions too radical? and am i allowed to send this as 4 separate suggestions or is there a limit per day for suggestions?

[hollow shell]

Limit is 2 suggs per day

First sugg would be very difficult to pull off for vanilla summons, better to just download Summoner's Association mod and target manually
Second sugg is fine if you just keep it to expanding sentries for summoner class variety, but the damage doubling sounds like not a great idea
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking with the third sugg?
And the fourth sugg sounds like lore items all over again, a neat idea but making the effects have any level of significance would be a balancing nightmare

[soft quest]

noted, ill try to rework this draft, thanks

[soft quest]

Expand the amount of Sentries, mechanics around sentries, and items related to Sentries

I believe sentries are an untapped gold mine in their potential; forcing a unique gameplay where the player is supposed to keep the boss within a zone to be effective. However within the base game they have two flaws that somewhat undermine this. Firstly you can spam sentries to bypass firing speed cooldowns, which means that sentries can keep up with the player's movement, (however this is only really a problem with OOA's staffs) - a 3 second delay before a sentry could fire would subside this. Secondly, without using ballista spam their damage output per minute compared to a minion of the same tier is extremely dull, like Moonlord for 30 minutes dull... either faster firing speed or more damage for sentries is kinda needed for people to actually have an incentive to use them. Yes, you can say that sentries are just an extra pepper of damage and minions should be the summoner's only main damage output, but I would actually like to see sentries become possibly a full blown subclass, just like how ranger has guns/bows/launchers/flamethrowers. However in order for this to be achieved a sentry would be needed for most points of progression and accessories/armor masks would be required. As of now in calamity, summoner remains the most straightforward class with little to no deviation from a strict meta, perhaps by expanding on the idea of Sentries as a whole it would diversify the playstyle of many players. An ideal scenario in my head would be that this subclass would be more risk/reward than normal summoner (something that a lot of calamity players seem to be fond of).

thoughts, anyone?

[fossil finch]

I think you lack a lot of reasoning

You say a lot here, but you don't ever really explain why is it important

[soft quest]

good point lemme add something RQ

@fossil finch think that last sentence is persuasive enough?

[fossil finch]

Eh ig

[grim tusk]

"Expand my subbclass grrr"

and yea lack of reasoning

only talks about sentry spam needing to go

thats the only part with reasoning

also why tf ballista vs ML

when Hive pog and spikechad exist

[cobalt pewter]

Guy clearly hasn't used cal sentries

Those 2 you mentioned are pretty bonkers

[grim tusk]

they are busted to hell and back

orthocera and cryogenic on pre-Plant are also pog

Deepmines are decent

Carrion and Guidelight are good

Energy staff is ok

The ML drops suck ass unless the boss is weaver

[brisk bramble]

Carrion is cracked

[crude geode]

@soft quest Subclass suggestions are a don't

[cobalt pewter]

The don't seems a bit specific

So I don't know if it wholly applies in the situation

It is a subclass sugg, but nothing too specific in terms of progression from what I seen

[crude geode]

It still violates the big effort don't, most likely.

As adding a sentry to every single progression point in the game would be a large amount of effort

@hollow shell Does this suggestion reach the threshold for violating the "extreme effort" don't?

[ruby plover]

Also it would probably be hard to balance something like sentries without buffing summoner lots, because like… minions and sentries at the same time

[crude geode]

sentries are indeed annoying balance wise currently

[tawny garden]

always didn't like that don't

[ruby plover]

Well it kinda makes sense, they already have a lot planned and a lot they want to work on

[hollow shell]

The subclass Don't does not apply to this sugg, cuz this sugg is not complaining about a sentry-only playthrough being too difficult

But high effort is more arguable

[half sage]

yea the accessories/armor/armor helmet part of the suggestion probably falls under high effort, let alone the "add more sentries to each stage of the game"

[hollow shell]

I think that it's probably trying to tackle too many topics with one suggestion

Even if you have multiple sentry change/expansion ideas, they should each be in their own suggestions so that people can choose to agree with some aspects and not others
@soft quest

[keen zealot]

would be nice if there were more spears and/or the existing ones were better

in the calamity environment most of them are very underwhelming

[ruby plover]

Well spears are getting buffed next update in terms of damage output, but I imagine you could be meaning their effects rather than dps

[keen zealot]

a little bit of both, really

[ruby plover]

Fair

[eternal escarp]

yeah, i can see that
i do find it funny how post ML has 3 sentries but only 2 summons (as of now)

[earnest raptor]

What are those letters?

[eternal escarp]

M stands for Malice (or currently legendary / RIV)
XX is when theres no new weapons in the tier
F is when it is affected by Fireball and Cinnamon Roll
OV is Overheav Summons

i used these mostly for personal refrences so yeah

N is for Evergreen Gin

[earnest raptor]

Also, Pole Wackyer is Post-Yharon because of Auric Tesla Bars

[eternal escarp]

not in 1.5

most of these lists are refering to 1.5 changes so yeah

[earnest raptor]

Wait, t4 draedon is no longer auric tesla tier?

[eternal escarp]

303 - Tier-shifted post-Yharon Arsenal weapons to be post-DoG pre-Yharon, rebalanced them to compensate. - Done (edited)
[9:18 AM]

[earnest raptor]

Oh ok

Rip pulse rifle instagibbing doggy

[brisk bramble]

Did someone say...

POLE WARPER?!?!!?

[distant gyro]

no

[brisk bramble]

Oh..

._.

[tardy smelt]

hello, Weasle

[brisk bramble]

LGL?

Bruhhhh

[tardy smelt]

yes

it is I

[brisk bramble]

whats up?

[tardy smelt]

doing pretty aight

you?

[brisk bramble]

Im super rusty in cal :p

Mean, still got it

[exotic stag]

wouldnt this convo belong in #general-talk lmao?

[tardy smelt]

prolly

[brisk bramble]

Ye

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message 1 left so why not?

[distant gyro]

monkey see big stars monkey do bandwagon

[tropic yoke]

Damn

Guess I'm never gonna get to build with astral furniture again

[fossil finch]

what

[hollow shell]

Did you expect more stars on your suggestion by now

[tropic yoke]

More than just half

dunno why people wouldn't vote for a fix

What's so cool about ultrabright torches?

[crude geode]

it's been like a day and you're already halfway there

most of the time a week is when a sugg is considered dead in the water at 100 votes

[tropic yoke]

This suggestion process just keeps getting more complicated

Is there still a vote in the dev server?

Omega convoluted

[crude geode]

The vote in the dev server is determined by if it's delivered

[glossy reef]

devs please, for the love of god

please just make the goddamned squirrel staff actually fucking useable

like i get it, it's supposed to suck

[hollow shell]

Yes it is already going to be improved in the upcoming 1.5 update

[glossy reef]

but there's a difference between a terrible weapon and a functionally unusable one, and the squirrels are dangerously close to the latter

[hollow shell]

Its behavior was made more consistent and reliable

[glossy reef]

THANK. GOD.

phew

i feel better now

[fossil finch]

I'm stealing a joke off someone's else sugg system but uh
⬛ I have made sure to not read the changelogs ✅
(((This is just a joke don't take it serious please))

[hollow shell]

The relevant changelog

Admittedly, not very descriptive :P

[brisk bramble]

Curious question

What was changelog 700?

[grim tusk]

700-

[deleted]

New 700- Draedon gaming

[earnest raptor]

You just have to accept than not every idea will be liked by the audience

[tardy smelt]

Already suggested, approved and implemented

Thankfully

[tardy smelt]

This

[brisk bramble]

Another thing to note.
ya gotta consider how much time its going to take to implement it. :p

[glass sentinel]

@visual sparrow read the pins

there's a format you need to follow and stuff

and also a reason

[tardy smelt]

I think this technically follows the format

[glass sentinel]

(thought i pinged the wrong person for a second)

well kinda

[tardy smelt]

sort of

[glass sentinel]

more the latter one tbf

[tardy smelt]

the bot will be able to pick it up

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[visual sparrow]

So, I must change that?

[tardy smelt]

after reading the same thing 6 times uh well

the idea isn't bad

it just needs better argumentation

[visual sparrow]

Okay, I will change that

[tardy smelt]

also like

resumize your suggestion in the title

for example

Indicate Phase transitions for Bosses on the Health Bar

...and then put your reasoning on the next line

[cobalt pewter]

This one works

[visual sparrow]

Okay, now that would be good, at least english is not my native, so if you see mistake, just say and I would repair

[tardy smelt]

I'm not a native speaker either, and probably neither are the majority of the members of this server

so it's np

[ashen warren]

"when boss change phases out of the monitor" what are you trying to say here?

[low remnant]

I'm guessing i.e. when bosses transform outside of your field of view.

Neat suggestion, that'd be a great for clarity (particularly if some bosses show when they have immunity or high DR as well)

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[ashen warren]

@visual sparrow change this to "bosses change phase offscreen"

So it's easier to understand

[fair ledge]

Ayo?

[fossil finch]

:br: :uh:

[fossil finch]

Anyways uhhh
you can't sugg stuff from new updates until it comes out anyways, so not a valid sugg

[short walrus]

@ashen warren no suggs about future stuff

[eternal escarp]

this also kinda counts, bringing back an old feature (if we are to purposefully miss the above Don't)

[short walrus]

^^ this too

[eternal escarp]

so even when 1.5 releases, this'd prolly be a Don't sugg anyhow

[short walrus]

also this

[gray nebula]

I mean this isn't exactly a valid countergument since dog not exploding into gores isn't exclusive to him having a surprise phase

[distant gyro]

it's not a very convincing fakeout ever since sentinels existed tbh

idk how people are having this drive about the fakeout phase that is clearly totally not obvious at all

[brisk bramble]

What in the bloody hell..

Its only good the first tie

It drags out the fight

[tardy smelt]

I can see why tbh

for some reason DoG has managed to conquer the hearts of so many players of this mod

despite actually being a pretty mediocre boss on a pure design level

his OST, the buildup towards the fight, the visuals and the whole fakeout thing

well, they all distract people from the matter of fact

and have made those same people love the fight with a passion

seeing the "surprise" element go is something these folks can't do easily

[gray nebula]

I mean yeah but isn't it a good thing lol

I've seen some people say that it was their favorite boss in the mod not really because of the fight but because of how it feels like an interactive cutscene

[brisk bramble]

In terms of feel, buildup and aesthetics?
yes, DoG is a good boss

But in terms of the gameplay and the initial fight itself?

Its a c-tier at best

[tardy smelt]

never says it was

[tardy smelt]

guess what~

[brisk bramble]

:fear:

[tardy smelt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/849959161794002974/901584738853208114/my_tierlist.png?width=781&height=612

(I was being generous towards DoG)

[eternal escarp]

storm weaver in F
instantly bad tierlist iirc

byeah

[tardy smelt]

opinions exist >:3

[eternal escarp]

this sugg is just a ❗ regardless so lol

[tardy smelt]

true

[brisk bramble]

Deus at A

based

[eternal escarp]

but my joke

[brisk bramble]

Perfs at A

Sodium Bromide m8

[tardy smelt]

cry about it

[eternal escarp]

okay cried about it now what

[tardy smelt]

continue.

[brisk bramble]

heres mine

[tardy smelt]

this is specifically in terms of how well-designed the fights are

[eternal escarp]

byeah topic for somewhere that isnt here, at this point

[brisk bramble]

Sorry bout that

:p

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[deft yew]

another hive mind enjoyer!

[fossil finch]

me omw to make based tier list (everything is in s because at the end of the day tier list suck a lot at actually classifying things like this)(

[brisk bramble]

Well..
youre not wrong

[zenith hazel]

@ashen warren suggesting about future changes isn’t allowed, as stated above already

[half sage]

PSC is a dev item, you need dev permission to suggest changes to it iirc

[grim tusk]

@ashen warren

also Amber isnt accepting changes #suggestions-discussion message

and iirc Gael (which is another dedicated item, but contacting Levi is ) still keeps the special rage mechanic with PSC

[exotic stag]

i see tierlist i must post. also i just found this one on google dont complain

(folly would still be in S even if it was folly rn)

[deft yew]

This has to be one of the most skewed lists I’ve ever seen

[exotic stag]

(OD would go in the green tier no questions asked)

[grim tusk]

What does this have to do with suggestions

[exotic stag]

i dunno i just saw tierlist

[eternal escarp]

(that hallaned roughly 6 hours ago)

[exotic stag]

yeah but tierlist

[exotic stag]

@inner grail troll sugg. N o

[inner grail]

Not a troll

[lean bone]

its a troll

[exotic stag]

yes that pretty much is

[inner grail]

Best suggestion of all time

[frail mantle]

meme sugg* still no

[tardy smelt]

uh

sure thing

[exotic stag]

welp now we need someone to exclam it

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message no exclamation?

[tardy smelt]

it doesn't seem outright a "don't", though

[frail mantle]

dev item