suggestions-discussion

[sleek turret]

you can count each individual second

by yourself

[ashen warren]

Not much point doing that

[fossil finch]

... you can have a terraria clock..
Each minute in game is a second irl

[sleek turret]

yeah basically

and there's Terry's Boss Timer mod too

[ashen warren]

Ye if you really have a poor sense of timing then that will help

This suggestion is just a personal dislike of the fight because you struggle with it, I dont see the point in it

[sleek turret]

boss personal difficulty is usually subjective by most of the part

[ashen warren]

He made this because he died to a dash after a BH in a nohit

[sleek turret]

well I guess its a no-hit 🤷‍♂️

supposedly I don't think mentioning no-hits on suggs is a good idea

[ashen warren]

No because the game isn't built around nohitting

[sleek turret]

that's why

[ashen warren]

Stuff like often unavoidable almost attacks is fair game, but this isn't that

Like pre nerf rav

[crude geode]

Timers are so inexpensive by the time you get to SCal lol.

You have the ability to mine entire caverns of space out in an instant by the time you’re at SCal

I understand that it’s frustrating being hit by SCal immediately out of a BH, but there’s numerous ways that have been brought up to counteract this. Such as internally learning how long bullet hells take, timers, platinum watch, and even music cues that are fairly consistent (since killtimes on SCal tend to not waver as much as other bosses).

[grim tusk]

Actually correct
Does not and Doesn’t are the same thing

[exotic stag]

i think he meant the fact that its kinda odd to read it like that

imo it should be "why does the base potion do that"

[grim tusk]

Thankfully its upgrade, Shadow potion, does not have this problem, so why does the base potion does not?

[exotic stag]

its still hard to read that like that. even with the extra add on

i dont think "Does not" fits there to be honest at the end

[dapper coral]

that is incorrect

it would be "why does the base potion not"

you don't need 2 does's

[exotic stag]

yeah ^

[dapper coral]

ignoring the fact that it is still awkward to read it that way anyways

[crude geode]

Yeah

Was gonna say, having like fifteen does’ makes it hard to read.

[exotic stag]

wait actually its talking about how shadow potion has the problem why would it be "so why does the base potion not" cause that'd sound like your also saying the base potion doesnt..

wouldnt it be "why does the base potion do that"?

yeah thats better

[crude geode]

“why the base potion do”
Same

[exotic stag]

i didnt even notice the "Why da base potion do dat"

lmao

[crude geode]

what the base potion doin
Anyways, still a bit messy but it’s fine.

[exotic stag]

ok thats much better now

[exotic stag]

what the based potion doing

[gray nebula]

bruh lmao what

are phone timers supposed to be actual strategies

sounds goofy

[exotic stag]

it does lmao

[dapper coral]

idk i always just count the BHs aloud

i guess you can use the phone timer if you want, it's not an invalid strat

[exotic stag]

i just stay near the walls and watch the blasts until they stop going

[earnest raptor]

I think supreme clam could become invisible and eventually become opaque as bullet hell ends

like devourer of gods does

[grim tusk]

I try to memorize where Scal stayed and then prepare to react to the dash

[ashen warren]

Just start falling a second before it ends

Or be moving down in general

[scarlet smelt]

Scal dashing immediately after BH was pretty infuriating when i was no hitting her
not a massive problem but still pretty bs

[ashen warren]

Not really bs when it's at the same point each time

After the first few times if it keeps surprising you then idk what to say 🤐

[scarlet smelt]

i was expecting the dash each time but especially in the later phases its easy to get into a bad spot with everything going on

[grim tusk]

Try to stay at the top of the arena to dodge her dashes after a bh

Dodging while falling is easier than flying

[exotic stag]

i just do it on the floor since for me its way easier

[exotic stag]

@storm orbit good idea but how about instead of disabling the damage aura along with the particles. toggling visibility of the accessory would just make the particles disappear

that way its still useful

[grim tusk]

also tip: If you aint using the blunder booster dash and just want to use it as emblem, just use vampiric talisman, moonstone crown or destroyer emblem instead

[exotic stag]

^

IMO there should be a config for "epileptic effects turned off"

that way anything that could be epileptic is changed when that setting is turned on

[grim tusk]

simple: dont use said effects
Also disable afterimages, will help a lot

[fossil finch]

I mean there's the general thing where a game like Terraria isn't fit by itself for most people with these type of problems but i do agree accessibility is good

[crystal iron]

Ok so, I'm not sure if this counts as a dont or smth but what if cryogen dropped berdly's outfit from deltarune 2 when killed

Spoilers for deltarune 2
||its such a perfect opportunity cuz berdly gets frozen like the npc inside cryogen||

[dapper coral]

that would be a reference for the sake of reference

which is a dont

[cold cosmos]

Woulf be funny tho

Would

[exotic stag]

obviously it'd be funny cause "ooh funni deltarune reference"

[grim tusk]

I would have posted a meme relevant to this if the channel was #calamity-mod-talk

[storm orbit]

Ideally the damage in the aura would remain, however if it needs to be removed I'm okay with that

[storm orbit]

afterimages don't affect me, nor do most weapons. I'm not epileptic, but I have severe migraines where one of the triggers is photosensitivity
the only thing I've come across so far in calamity is blunder booster, because it's like Electric Soldier Porygon

I actually downloaded a mod for MHW to give crits a new effect, then deleted the file for that effect so crits had no additional effect because the default crit flash did it to me

[grim tusk]

although I agree that blunder booster's aura may be too bright, not using the item is the easiest solution

[storm orbit]

That's what I'm doing, but I'm missing out on some significant DPS for my class purely because of a health issue

also dash fun :c

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-discussion message

[storm orbit]

I use the dash though

[hollow shell]

I think that Daemon's suggestion is fine

[grim tusk]

although since stealth is getting reworked sugg would actually be even more relevant next patch

sugg seems fine

[hollow shell]

I do kinda wonder why this item specifically triggers it considering later game boss fights can be pretty fast and flashy

[tardy smelt]

To be honest I find the flashy aura rather annoying too

[storm orbit]

yeah I've done so many late game bosses with no issues, but that one item makes my head fuzzy so I know I need to stop or I'll start going blind for a while

[tardy smelt]

even if I don't have underlying health conditions related to vision

[storm orbit]

I think it's because it's two colour flashing

Electric Soldier Porygon was blue and red rapid flashing and caused a lot of issues when it was aired, it's like that

[grim tusk]

yea same

[storm orbit]

Acid dyes actually have a similar but lesser effect on me

[tardy smelt]

yeah

also, do you experience migraines from Yharon's flarenadoes?

they seem pretty offensive

[hollow shell]

(again, not seizures, migraines)

[storm orbit]

I don't actually, they're fine

[tardy smelt]

huh

strange

[storm orbit]

strobe lights will do it, at work last night we had to cover a flickering light with cardboard taped to the ceiling so that I could work lol

so far I haven't found much in terraria that will trigger it besides acid dyes in vanilla and blunder booster in calamity

[tardy smelt]

😓 wall of text has been created

[hollow shell]

ah

[keen zealot]

amazing

[storm orbit]

I like your idea, I would have suggested rogue for signus too

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[fossil finch]

Ah yes the summoner tank and the stealth rogue sentinel armor based of the donor one that's not actually related to sw in the slightest

[tardy smelt]

I in fact did not forget about that convo from ages ago

[sleek turret]

The suggestion is cool, although, on the armor idea parts probably vaguely describe how they work instead of describing some of their functionality.

[tardy smelt]

didn't I do that?

[sleek turret]

Yes, you did vaguely mention, but you specifically mentioned one of their mechanics.

[tardy smelt]

was that the signus one?

or both

[sleek turret]

Yeah Signus one mostly specificates

[hollow shell]

Ah that example is much more generic but still has potential

Good

I can imagine some issues coming up with the Void armor, from tying your survivability to entities near your cursor
Seems like it opens up big cheese strats

[sleek turret]

Hmmm yeah that can open stuff like dragging projectiles quickly just to avoid them.

[fossil finch]

If this doesn't get into calamity we can just abuse addons, remember that, guys

[storm orbit]

maybe the dark energy are summons that can die

the more you have alive, the more defense you have

maybe it's the set bonus to summon a small swarm of them

[sleek turret]

somethink like stardust cells where it sticks into the enemy and deals damage

[hollow shell]

Potentially.

The suggestion can just exclude the "hovering around your cursor"

[gray nebula]

never knew prismatic armor was post SW

dreaded patreon armors hogging up space for us to put GOOD AND COOL armors and swapping it out by references instead

[fossil finch]

Make a sw ranger armor for the hilarious

[grim tusk]

Spectral veil but armor

bottom text

Void or Signus could have a melee armor

[fossil finch]

Summoner fits more for void imo

[hollow shell]

Void having a melee armor would be a bit weird

[fossil finch]

Quirky tanky summoner was perfect for it

[hollow shell]

considering it crafts a lotta magic weps

[grim tusk]

actually I wish spectral veil had a sprite on the player

[grim tusk]

well mage has an armor from Weaver who has mostly ranger stuff

[fossil finch]

Donor armor

[storm orbit]

god same

[grim tusk]

just yoink that sprite from Cal Vanities's Signus's cloack

[tardy smelt]

fair

changed that

the rest is fine?

[hollow shell]

I think so yes

[tardy smelt]

alright, cool

[grim tusk]

also Bloodflare is after tarragon

[tardy smelt]

time for it to end up in #suggestions-voting hell

[tardy smelt]

barely

[grim tusk]

Bloodflare needs both Polt and Prov

Tarragon just needs Prov

[tardy smelt]

true

[grim tusk]

also remove "stealth" on the signus armor; just keep rogue on it so it infers it always benefits rogue regardless of stealth or not

[hollow shell]

It's a funny situation cuz you unlock all of Tarragon and Bloodflare at the same time, post-Prov
except for Bloodflare armor and only Bloodflare armor

[tardy smelt]

yeah

polterghast kinda unlocks enough stuff on his own

with all of abyss gear

[tardy smelt]

k

[tardy smelt]

just got that mixed up a bit bc on my current pt I did polter first so bloodflare and taraggon became available at pretty much the same time

[hollow shell]

Doesn't leave much to go on anymore but, prolly fine that way

[grim tusk]

yea now seems fine

[eternal escarp]

imserty the long suggested by cursed "move ravager to post prov and make him the bloodstone source and unlock" suggestion

[fossil finch]

Ye

[tardy smelt]

be a chad and give him his post-provi stats post-golem too

then make him always drop bloodstone

totes balanced

[pliant rivet]

the monsoon thing is actually a good point, same thing with tsunami, alluvion and other stuff

[full thistle]

You can also just put more dummies above them

So the spread counts

Or you can get up close

Lots of workarounds

[crystal iron]

What if I came up with some generic reason like "adds vanity variety" or smth or would that count as finding loopholes or smth, it's just such a perfect reference

[ashen warren]

depends if there is a lack of vanity variety to justify it

you cant just pull the phrase from your ass without like proving its truthfullness

[crystal iron]

That's true, ig there's no reason to add it then, though its such a wasted opportunity😩 😩

[ashen warren]

travel back in time

become dog tier patreon

get the vanity as your donor item

win

[strong mountain]

fortnit update

[crystal cedar]

as someone from calval:

[lean bone]

^ agreed by someone else from calval

[celest notch]

Aoe attacks will hit all the dummies at once

Giving you more dps than normal

[full thistle]

If that doesn't work then just use the luiafk improved dummy, you can change defense dr and hitbox size and it uses the bosses' sprites. Basically luiafk adds everything you could ever want in the game as far as QoL goes

*Also lets mnions target

[celest notch]

Luiafk just breaks the game so you don’t have to move to get anything

[full thistle]

luiafk is pretty balanced actually

[celest notch]

And downloading a whole mod just for that one feature is inconvenient

Also calamity has a lot of similar things that luiafk has

[full thistle]

then just go up close to the dummy lmaio

[celest notch]

I do that with mon soon

One arrow doesn’t hit

And a couple with aluvion

[full thistle]

while I can't guarantee the effectiveness of dps testing this way you could also for spread shot weapons just put a line of them and fly abiove/put a platform above them

[celest notch]

Is there’s more than one dummy and there’s explosions you will get a lot more dps than a single one

[full thistle]

since when do bows do explosion damage

except for elysian arrowss

whioch kinda suck anyway\

[celest notch]

Monsoon tornado

[full thistle]

I don't really think the discrepancy is really big enough to worry about properly, and if you intend them for boss fights just used all of em to see which does more damage. certain weapons do better for certain enemies/bosses anyway so the dummies are just there to give a rough estimate of whether or noth the weapon meets the same tier

[celest notch]

Just add the feature with the dummy config

[full thistle]

good point

[celest notch]

[grim tusk]

hellfire arrows (also napalm)

also theres some piercing arrows too, jester, unholy, holy, luminite

[full thistle]

yes but piercing arrows dont matter if you're firing from above, and depending on the boss you may be piercing them anyway (mainly worm bosses, but bosses like slime god and ceaseless void are also examples

also I am aware that my points are invalid because they're stupid

[crude geode]

Idk why you’re so concerned about a suggestion already in voting

[full thistle]

I'm not, I already conceded defeat

[frozen hornet]

Oh nice the funny sentinel armor is valid

[cobalt pewter]

It's valid? Huh

I mean the sugg is valid for the most part

Though the set the suggestion based on is dono

[tardy smelt]

means I did a good job at arguing in favor of it

[ashen warren]

real size draedon gaming chair merch (joking)

[exotic stag]

basically its just metal. all metal

[eternal escarp]

@potent pilot you need to format your suggestion correctly and give it a proper reasoning, i suggest you go and read the FaQ pinned here and at the top of #suggestions-posting

[tardy smelt]

oh and I'd rephrase that suggestion

and then make the body the argumentation as for why we need more murasama's

[eternal escarp]

i think he just means like
"weapon available pre-boss but locked until post yharon" weapons for the rest of the classes, rather then weapons that act the same as the murasama

but yeah

should prolly explain that

[earnest raptor]

murasama is mgr reference

[tardy smelt]

meant that

[eternal escarp]

it is
dunno why its related to the topic of the suggestion

[still zodiac]

don't see why murasama can't stay as a unique weapon like that

[eternal escarp]

yeah i personally think it should stay unique byeah

[fossil finch]

Same

[earnest raptor]

I jokingly thought than Murasama's relatives for other classes could come from other 3D hack and slashes

to keep consistency

[grim tusk]

This sugg is ❗

Also mura is funny ref so wont work anyways

Monsoon’s daggers arent id locked

[hardy dock]

This is kinda a dumb idea

Murasama is supposed to be unique, adding in class specific ones is just

[grim tusk]

Yea and reasoning is just “add pls”

And ding dong ditching too

[lean bone]

'add pls' is a really good reason wow

[hardy dock]

Ding dong ditchers annoy tf outta me

[magic grove]

wdym, ‘add pls’ is one of the best methods of getting something in the mod

[lean bone]

yes it is why does nobody like it?

it works 100% of the time

[grim tusk]

Also “simiral”

[grim tusk]

@karmic quiver cross mod content and also no title and very vague reasoning

on how to write suggestions

@zenith hazel bot dead

Since 2-3 days ago lmao

Why theres more ding dong ditchers as of more recently

[hollow shell]

Weird

You do need to format your suggestion properly, @karmic quiver
That's the most important thing

It needs a title/summary at the top, with elaboration/reasoning below, separated by a line break (Shift+Enter)

We do add some compatibility with Fargos already so it's not entirely out of the question for this to get in

Not quite

With the way it's currently formatted, "Attempt number 2" would be your title

This matters because it's a bot that processes it, not a person

(It would also be good to word your title like a suggestion/command, rather than a statement as if it's already a thing that happens. To prevent confusion.)

You can edit your message as much as you want btw, don't need to send a new one

@karmic quiver

[merry seal]

I don't know if it's already been suggested but I think a class based on movement could be fun. There are a lot of items to dash and dodge but I think these concepts should be further explored.

[cobalt pewter]

Classes are too big of a scope for Calamity

So no.

Not here at least

(though something like this would need the mod that does it to rework movement speed, which is what cal will do)

[zenith hazel]

bot’s back up

[lean bone]

wait did voting bot break?

[distant gyro]

it kinda does that sometimes

[lean bone]

bots do break

i guess

[oak meteor]

dam my scal name suggestions was denied tho i can see why

extrenlty niche and not worth the effort

[merry seal]

Okay, thank you for your response. There's always the hope that some people read the suggestions that don't make it into the calamity mod and implement them somewhere else 😉

[golden kayak]

I am pretty sure 1.5 Cal makes movement speed not a useless stat

So there is that

[gaunt quest]

the island also grants the alternate evil chest item lol so it's not obsolete

[fossil finch]

Both evils just makes the chest gen in the dungeon

[hollow shell]

@prisma flare Check the pins for the Suggestion Don'ts doc.
Suggesting new specific items (like those of your own creation) is not allowed.

[prisma flare]

ok

[hollow shell]

If you feel that the item you have in mind would resolve some problem, inconsistency, void, etc
then you can make a suggestion about resolving that problem with an item, without specifying exactly what that item would be
Only describing the issue and how the item would fix the issue

[prisma flare]

ok

[hollow shell]

actually LoneKensei

You can keep the sugg, just make sure it's formatted properly

You need a title at the top with reasoning/elaboration below, separated by a line break (Shift+Enter)

[frail mantle]

also maybe reword the title to be a request or demand rather than a statement

[hollow shell]

^

[fossil finch]

@vale cradle Calamity's Vanities already does this

[lean bone]

@uneven minnow that is future content, future content not allowed

[uneven minnow]

Ah, alrighty. Thanks for letting me know

[hollow shell]

Also @uneven minnow the previous Calamity mod files will still work fine
If you download 1.4.5.007 now, you can continue to use and play on that version even while the Draedon update exists

[uneven minnow]

Oh, sweet!

[hollow shell]

ye

[obsidian cove]

@tender dawn formatting

[hollow shell]

God damn it

[hollow shell]

See this, Shoelace

[tender dawn]

sorry is it better now?

[hollow shell]

This is better yeah

Only change I'd make now is changing the phrasing of the title

to make it more of a suggestion/command rather than wording it like it currently happens

Thanks 👍

[tender dawn]

does anyone else have the problem with the sunken sea

[hollow shell]

We've received similar suggestions to this before iirc

(which is fine, yours can stay)

So yeah others have had this issue

[tender dawn]

ok good to know its not just me

[tender dawn]

@edgy yew formatting

[edgy yew]

Uhh

[tender dawn]

read the message at the top of posting

[edgy yew]

Oh

How do i fix it

[tender dawn]

edit your message

[edgy yew]

What should i change about it

[tender dawn]

have a main idea with a space then a body

[sharp steeple]

DAMN BOI
Most votes I've ever seen

[cobalt pewter]

@dapper coral stonks amirite

[dapper coral]

true!

my legacy on this server is summed up in that one screenshot iirc

[cobalt pewter]

[robust lava]

Surprise surprise, the suggestions that get the most votes are the QoL changes that are impossible to disagree with

[distant gyro]

it's real stonks

[silver silo]

no no he has a point

[tardy smelt]

I have never seen something more objectively true than this

case in point:

[oak meteor]

hoping atleast one of my suggestions gets added

[tardy smelt]

any issues with my sugg

[grim tusk]

Nope

[still zodiac]

Sounds interesting

[tardy smelt]

awesome

[worn blaze]

big sad, my qol one got approved but never added, big rip since I can't resugg

[grim tusk]

It will get added, eventually™️

[worn blaze]

I mean, I've kind of learned to live without using dash accessories for the bosses that screwed me over for using them, but I'm thinking of trying to make my first mod one that adds a dash bind, so wish me luck haha!

[fossil finch]

god

Why

[hollow shell]

Personal big disagree

[fossil finch]

Why do people want to make vanity useful holy fuck

It's vanity

[hollow shell]

Vanity should be vanity

[fossil finch]

If everything remove the buff slot they consume

[hollow shell]

If any pets are to be given additional function, it'd be Light Pets

even if not to produce light

Cuz those 'pets' are utilitarian

[whole wedge]

Really? I've never really saw pets as vanity tbh

[hollow shell]

That is currently their sole purpose. Vanity.

[fossil finch]

Well uh that's their whole point yeah

[whole wedge]

idk i've always just kinda seen them as something that i hardly see anyone use

but i can definitely see your point

[exotic stag]

MoR has a pet that shoots lasers occasionally

and that was a bad idea

[hollow shell]

Thorium has a light pet that shoots lasers, as well

[exotic stag]

and its usually like weak pets too

[whole wedge]

idk about stuff like attacks but

[exotic stag]

MoR's has a max of 5 spawned "orbs" that shoots lasers every like 5 seconds. each laser does 20 damage

[whole wedge]

idk maybe like, 2% or 5% damage or something to specific classes idk

stuff like that

very minor tho

[hollow shell]

So like lore items, or our wing buffs

[whole wedge]

yes

[obsidian cove]

It's a light pet right

[exotic stag]

yes

[exotic stag]

then that'd just become "ok only use this pet"

[obsidian cove]

If you make cal pets do things, then other mods pets will never be used as well

[exotic stag]

yeah they'd become meta pets

which is something you dont want to do

[whole wedge]

well ig you can view it that way, yeah haha

good point

[exotic stag]

because pets are just meant to be vanity

[whole wedge]

ig

idk

[exotic stag]

light is just exploration utility

[fossil finch]

This is technically valid because uw lore effect is moving to another item and stuff

[karmic ruin]

oh?

Where would I find info about that

[fossil finch]

On #calamity-update-talk pinned faq i think

[hollow shell]

This suggestion is valid yeah though I assume it'll give our programmers a headache

[karmic ruin]

Wanted to clarify that I recently edited in option 3)

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message

[exotic stag]

i agree

indeed

[keen zealot]

this made sense when console was first ported because summoners and pets literally didn't exist

so console version got exclusive pet-weapons

really hard to get and totally useless, but cool

[warped field]

Visibly ages when I remember the Blood Vial and stuff from console

[tranquil perch]

Ping me for discussing my sugg

[distant gyro]

I don't think that's the source of the desync

[tranquil perch]

Uh

But like

Either way when sg dies on mp I get massive desync and gel items gradually keep appearing out of nowhere

[distant gyro]

it doesn't actually drop 1 item for 50 frames straight

[tranquil perch]

I mean like

A bunch of items in the ssme frame

[distant gyro]

what's the difference between it and a single stack then

it's just a single stack but spread out

that shouldn't desync

[tranquil perch]

Yes the fact that it's spread out

[hollow shell]

What

I've never heard of this issue before

[tranquil perch]

Idk but it happens

[distant gyro]

it's like if you throw 2 items, one to the left and one to the right

[tranquil perch]

Even when I am the host

[distant gyro]

is that laggier than throwing 2 items to the right

if the answer is yes then wtf terraria

[tranquil perch]

No I mean

[hollow shell]

(Altix what are you talking about)

[tranquil perch]

How much gel does sg drop?

[distant gyro]

I'm wondering precisely how drop spreading causes lag ever

[hollow shell]

Because it's one stack item versus 200 individual stack items, Altix

[tranquil perch]

Holy fuck 210+

[tranquil perch]

Yes this

[distant gyro]

If it's any significant then it's secondary to worldgen lag or even gore/dust spawns

[tranquil perch]

I'll record some footage of it tomorrow and hopefully remember to post it here

[hollow shell]

DropItemSpray

[distant gyro]

that's what I sense

DropItemSpray is also used for Provi in normal mode I think

[hollow shell]

Yes Photonic this issue is exactly what you think it is

"Randomly peppers stacks of 1 of the specified item all across the given NPC's hitbox."

[distant gyro]

where she spills out a ton of floaty unholy essence

[tranquil perch]

1.I have gore disabled
2. When I beat WoF on mp the desync lasts for like 5s max

[distant gyro]

if you never collect the items do the lag persist harder?

if it's the items' faults then the answer should be yes

[tranquil perch]

i literally can't collect the items during the desync

[distant gyro]

In Expert it only sprays 30-45 btw

the rest is contained in the bag

the reason it sprays is because it makes sense to

it's gel

[hollow shell]

The DropItemSpray has a function to separate the items into stacks

to prevent this issue

but SG doesn't use it

[distant gyro]

gel kinda diffuses everywhere

[hollow shell]

You're reading it backwards

Or, actually

[distant gyro]

oh wait

that's purified

[hollow shell]

yeah

[distant gyro]

im good at ctrl+fing

[tranquil perch]

"it makes sense because it's gel" but "it's laggy af"

Glad we have our priorities in order

[distant gyro]

the thing is

I never faced that kind of lag ever

[tranquil perch]

I do a lot and it's always when a ton of things happen at once

Literally not even hardmode terrain generation is that bad in terms of desync

[distant gyro]

this is my thoughts

[tranquil perch]

For example

[distant gyro]

I'm more doubtful of the cause

also if it is doesn't that kinda constitute a bug of sorts

[hollow shell]

I can see right here that it's programmed to drop 200 individual items at the same time

and it really shouldn't be programmed to do that

[tranquil perch]

If you break a fuck ton of tiles at once/in a row, like for example, like the equivalent to 2 explosive traps, it starts to desync, and it gets worse the more tiles you break

[distant gyro]

so then is the solution to remove spray drop entirely?

[hollow shell]

That is one option

Another is to make use of its stackSize parameter

which exists presumably for this exact purpose

[distant gyro]

also I guess try normal mode providence

[tranquil perch]

Me?

[hollow shell]

Providence only sprays about 50 items maximum

SG is 250

[distant gyro]

if you kill 4 of them it should be 200

[distant gyro]

basically

stress testing at what point the game breaks

is it 50? 100? 150? 200? etc

[tranquil perch]

Actually I'm pretty sure that one time my internet was a bit worse, keyword: only slightly (not being ironic) the desync ended up lasting for like almost an entire minute lmao

[distant gyro]

byeah I kinda want more research on this

maybe just me

[hollow shell]

You do seem unusually hostile towards this suggestion

[tranquil perch]

Yea I kinda felt that but I haven't interacted with altix much

So I was like

Maybe that's normal altix

[distant gyro]

I don't think that's too out of the ordinary for suggestion discussion

[tranquil perch]

Ok now I'll host a server (for me only) so I can test it

[distant gyro]

I indiscriminately talk about things

[tranquil perch]

ok uh

me hosting a server and only myself being in it doesn`t cause any major issues so i'll test with more slime gods at once ig

WHY THE FUCK DOES IT NOT HAPPEN WHEN I NEED IT TO

[grim tusk]

Prob cuz you’re the only person on the server

[tranquil perch]

Yea probably

[grim tusk]

It likely does not need to send as much packets of info

But when theres more then

Although the sugg would fit more into #bugs-read-pins

But still fits here as well

[tranquil perch]

uuh storm

can you like

join my server and help me out here

[grim tusk]

Just let me boot up my laptop

Also with what stuff should i join and mods?

[tranquil perch]

uh

calamity mods cheat sheet uh and uh the rest should sync automatically

I'm pretty sure I still have calval enabled so

yes i do

[grim tusk]

What Cal Val version?

Most recent? (Update happened)

[tranquil perch]

uh

fuck I don't think I updated it

ok update all has been clicked now I wait

(also make sure you do that too)

btw

does scal have a laugh sfx when summoned now or is it just the trailer

[grim tusk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tranquil perch]

that was directed to devs

@hollow shell are you allowed to tell me this

[grim tusk]

Alr send server info

[hollow shell]

no

[tranquil perch]

Fuck I can't send my recording because 70mb

[grim tusk]

i can tho, made it smaller and trimmed it

should be soon

#bugs-read-pins material

anyways lets head there

[tranquil perch]

Btw when you typed that I was on the ground below that platform

[grim tusk]

Help me by reporting the bug in #bugs-read-pins you have the server log

[tranquil perch]

Oh uh I

Have to go sleep now so uh

Remind me tomorrow

[grim tusk]

alr

[hollow shell]

Sleep well Photonic

And thanks for the video, you and Storm both

[grim tusk]

👍

i also have to go to bed gn

[hollow shell]

Sweet dreams

@dark goblet It's a heartfelt sentiment, however we do have a rule against suggesting references for the sake of being references

(And I'm not sure how much familiarity the devs have with Berserk. I don't think I've seen it come up more than once in the dev server)

[dark goblet]

I see thank you for the clarification!

it was worth an attempt <3

[crude geode]

Yeah 1.4 content is a don’t

[robust lava]

It's a don't for a reason

[frozen hornet]

@karmic quiver since it's a don't you have to wait until calamity ports to tmod 1.4 before you can suggest it

[tardy smelt]

^

future content suggs are a no, and backporting 1.4 content is actually against TMod's terms of service

[fossil finch]

shouldn't modnotif delete that message or is this new

Also this sugg should be like

Exclaimed

And everything

[bold wave]

Adding buffs to pets is like giving vanity items or dyes buffs

[distant gyro]

giving combat buffs to a beach ball

[earnest raptor]

also, I don't get the point?

master and rev/death would be stackable without issues

[exotic stag]

read donts.

[earnest raptor]

🤦

[exotic stag]

its sugging future content. which is a don't

[earnest raptor]

I perfectly know than 1.4 is not allowed topic in this digital space, but if we ignore that, that suggestion makes no sense because it implies than master mode is going to be removed

[exotic stag]

no it doesnt

the suggestion is saying to "remove master mode changes that calamity will do to make it just a vanilla 1.4 thing"

MM rn in 1.4 isnt that good

so just saying "keep it the same bad state that it was already in" is just not a good idea anyway..

[earnest raptor]

yes, but sugg implies than calamity will do something with it

which is not true

[exotic stag]

actually they might in the future. again 1.5 isnt complete so we wont know maybe in the 800's there'll be a MM change

[frail mantle]

there won't

1.5 isn't gonna be on JE

[exotic stag]

(i mean thats why i said maybe. i didnt know so eh)

[earnest raptor]

it's going to be on bedrock edition? ew

[frail mantle]

also there are plans to make master mode More™️, i believe

[still zodiac]

yup

but they'll get there when time comes

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message shouldnt this be a ❗ as its just making pets bootleg lore items or bootleg summoner?

And the last sugg also is ❗ due to future content?

[gray nebula]

pets
functionality

awesome really awesome

[ashen warren]

At the very most pets should have some decently useful utility, like lighting up gems or smth

That’s reserved for light pets though and as far as I’d ever go with them

[grim tusk]

Ye

[exotic stag]

there is a pet that does the lighting up gems thing i dont remember which tho

[ashen warren]

It’s the sussy tentacle iirc

The one from moon lord

[exotic stag]

yeah that one

[frozen hornet]

Magic lantern as well iirc

[north plank]

The functionality of pets should probably be limited to that yeah tbh

[ashen warren]

Glorified shine potion

[hollow shell]

@karmic quiver Why did you write this suggestion when you saw in the Don'ts that you can't make suggestions about Journey's End

Like

wh
What was the point

[cloud surge]

@karmic quiver that's literally why no one likes master mode why would anyone want this

[fossil finch]

God

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren

[lean bone]

what is clockwork bow?

[hollow shell]

However I suppose it is possible for you to turn this into a suggestion about its functionality/accuracy without it being balance based

[royal tapir]

A bow

It shoots an inaccurate volley of arrows from the sky that go through blocks

[lean bone]

ok

[hollow shell]

Tons of arrows, very spread out inaccurate

[ashen warren]

Ok does this work?

[hollow shell]

Uhhh I think so
"Problem 2" kinda encroaches on balance territory still

It would be a theoretical solution for us to just boost Clockwork Bow's DPS without changing its accuracy
making it situational and.. unreliable still

Yeah this is better

[ashen warren]

Ok thnx

[exotic stag]

uh

actually i've recieved more dps with clockwork then most post ml weapons

even on non-worms lmao

i think its just the fact you know.. the boss is moving? or the enemy is moving

[grim tusk]

And then it becomes busted vs Providence?

[hollow shell]

Probably yeah

[eternal escarp]

yeah while clockword bow is theoretically terrible at every average entity

its a bow for use before Providence, which is a massive hitbox boss

[exotic stag]

(its also really good at folly/profaned which is uh. nice)

its spread helps a lot infact.

cause its spread can hit multiple guardians. all the folly beings. and even with sentinel help

like if you just remove the top of your CV arena so the projectiles actually exist. it can target multiple energys at once.

which is uh

quite good

(although it falls at signus..)

[eternal escarp]

which makes sense since it is 2 tiers behind at that point

or, 1.5 tiers ig

[exotic stag]

yeah but having 2/3 of the sentinels is really good..

[eternal escarp]

providence and dfolly being a half tier

ye

[grim tusk]

Dont clockwork bow’s arrows go though walls?

[deft yew]

yes, all of them

iirc

[eternal escarp]

only wooden arrows i think?

like any other arrow doesnt work, i believe?

[grim tusk]

Unless its like elysian’s meteorites or smth (just use luminite lol)

[exotic stag]

hm i can google that

yep

actually all

[grim tusk]

Elysian arrows spawn meteors when they hit smth, im unsure if the meteors go through as well

[exotic stag]

lmao

well this was kind of.. stronk

all arrows fired going thru blocks is kinda insane

[summer arrow]

It is insanely inaccurate though

[eternal escarp]

it is at the tier for the boss with the biggest hitbox though

[tranquil perch]

fat hitbox syndrome (tm)

[exotic stag]

which helps it..

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Which princess, and why?

[ashen warren]

Funny maid haha

._.

[deft yew]

no.

[hollow shell]

It's "Drunk Princess"
"Princess" is the 1.4 NPC that was added after Calamity's

[ashen warren]

Bruh drunky literally sells better campfires and really poggers buffs

[hollow shell]

Why do you think her having a different sprite on a single day of the year would make players want her more

[ashen warren]

If anything make her more accessible so people can actually know she exists

[hollow shell]

This is awful reasoning

[deft yew]

don't ask me

[hollow shell]

Can you stop

I'll delete your suggestion for now

If you come up with more substantial reasoning you can repost it

[lean bone]

i want cultist stopper

[grim tusk]

didnt we tell you that cultist spawn is hardcoded in #calamity-update-talk
also just delet dungeon entrance to stop em

although an item to make you unable to hurt em might be nice

that would be a good work around to messing with vanilla spaggetti code

[left elbow]

yeah

Either prevent their spawn entirely or make them invulnerable while the item is faved

[grim tusk]

yea prob mention that in the suggestion

[exotic stag]

(i was gonna talk about having it be part of the lore item but i forgor that lore items are bye bye next update)

[left elbow]

yeah

Well, the lore items themselves are gonna be kept but their functions will be moved to separate items

i think

[lean bone]

dont think they are

[left elbow]

i know the latter, not sure about former

[lean bone]

effects being moved that is

[grim tusk]

yea those effects getting moved

[left elbow]

mhm

[grim tusk]

the combat effects all deleted (except cryo lore who got sticked to ornate shield)

[left elbow]

but are the lore items being kept and just don't do anything but provide ingame lore?

[lean bone]

yeah they are no longer doing anything

[left elbow]

yeah so i was right

[lean bone]

yes

[left elbow]

but yeah the anti cultist spawn/damage item would just be in a similar vein to stuff like what will soon be Siren-Proof Earmuffs and Vodoo Demon Voodoo Doll

[hollow shell]

Yes I would very much like this item

Either to
Prevent the cultists and their tablet from spawning
or
Make it so the cultists are invincible so you can't accidentally kill them
or
Make it so the cultists are killable but they don't spawn LC when you do

I think the middle option will be easiest?

[fallow hedge]

Middle seems most plausible yea

Assuming it'd work like the upcoming boss prevention items, the item could be like a religious pact or w/e lol

[hollow shell]

Yeah it'd just be an inventory-favoriteable

[left elbow]

ah

also had an idea regarding shrine items

Maybe they could be made into challenge drops?

Becuase I don't think the current needle in a haystack design of shrines is really... fair

[hollow shell]

I disagree

[left elbow]

should i put it in suggestions posting or nah?

[hollow shell]

For one, if you mean literal "challenge drops" as in Malice drops, you should wait for 1.5 to release before suggesting.
If you just wanna suggest they become boss drops then that's fine

However I personally disagree as that'd be moving world exploration content onto something which this mod already has a massive focus/surplus on already: killing bosses.

[crude geode]

Agree

It’s fine that not every run gets shrine items

In fact make it so only a handful of shrine items spawn each world, just to fuck with people

[left elbow]

ah

Maybe at least have a way for multiple shrine items to be available

like

once you find a shrine once and open its chest, a flag is set and that allows NPC's to sell said shrine item

then no more fighting over who gets Luxor's Gift in multiplayer

[hollow shell]

Yes that would be okay

[left elbow]

I'll suggest it

[hollow shell]

We've gotten similar suggestions before but you can suggest it too

[left elbow]

ah

if someone else gave similar suggestions, then that can be covered

also is luxor's gift gonna be nerfed? Like, at all?

[hollow shell]

I do not know

Actually

It might've

Yeah it did get changed for 1.5

[left elbow]

ah

i just knew it lol

If one accessory was gonna be nerfed in draedon update

it'd be luxor's gift

[fossil finch]

Damn another one of these

What happened

Why is everyone suddenly suggin death animations

Could you not

[trim sun]

um upgrade to luxors gift because it pre hardmode

[fossil finch]

Rover is playing minecraft so it seems i am legally forbidden from interrupting them

[trim sun]

k

[grim tusk]

Joke in #suggestions-posting

[crude geode]

@low briar Death animations, while cool, are generally not as much of a priority and take a large amount of time from spriters. Especially with a sprite as big as yharon's new one is going to be. It's also been suggested so frequently it's in the document.

[dusky salmon]

what if we gave our sweet icicle granddad a health boost

[hollow shell]

Death animations are also still in the "Frequently Suggested" Don'ts
(even though I think at least one death anim sugg slipped through in recent times)

And either way this sugg could use more reasoning to it and less specification

[hollow shell]

You doin alright @trim sun?

[trim sun]

i dont know

[hollow shell]

What's uhhh..

Are you gonna edit it? Or, repost it? Or what?

[trim sun]

i dont know

[hollow shell]

You can edit it

[trim sun]

edit what

[hollow shell]

Your suggestion

[trim sun]

done

[hollow shell]

If you hold Shift and press Enter, you do a line break
which is how you make new lines in messages

like this

[trim sun]

ok

i understand

[hollow shell]

You need to have a line break, with your title/summary above and your reasoning/elaboration below

aight

[earnest raptor]

maybe move some of frequently suggested into straight up don'ts?

I bet devs heard enough of death animations and other stuff

[hollow shell]

Hm, I thought Victide was placeable like all the others

I know its been sprited, multiple times even,
so maybe I was just thinking about that, despite it not being in the game.

[tardy smelt]

life alloy isn't placeable either

but it's not really a bar either

[hollow shell]

Not anymore yeah

[earnest raptor]

I also wondered why nobody noticed that

you can guess by me mentioning certain channels

[gray nebula]

cuz placeable bars are kinda minor and most people just gloss over the inconsistency

[silver silo]

I noticed but I assumed it was just a planned feature

[exotic stag]

(and most people use it to do the funny 1.3 dupe glitch with item frame. which causes a crash when trying..)

[distant gyro]

I did not know you can place bars until I see the dupe glitch for the first time

[fossil finch]

Same

[exotic stag]

i only used it for literally: flexing

[mystic portal]

what should i get in prep for slime god as a mele?

[fossil finch]

#help-advice-read-pins

[mystic portal]

k

[clever raft]

Am I allowed yet to ask for the tinkerer's rework to be in it's own separate mod?

[fossil finch]

not yet

you'll have to wait until 1.5 releases

and even then, though i get why would you want that, i doubt it'd happen honestly

[clever raft]

Aw

Well
It'll be worth a try

[hollow shell]

This could use a bit more reasoning to it
I don't really understand why "The" should be removed from boss names and messages

[deft yew]

fair
just seemed unnecessary is all

[hollow shell]

Providence and Yharon I can understand more

(We could make their NPC names be the shorter versions, and add in Ocarina of Time -esque boss spawn title cards showing the full name)

[deft yew]

ik it could use rewording but should i maybe take it down too

[deft yew]

ok that does sound good

i think redemption(?) has those too

[hollow shell]

As for Polterghast, with the boss health bar saying things like "Necroplasm the Polterghast"
That's uhh, I think that's a bug

But it hasn't been fixed yet

fsr

[deft yew]

oh ok

[hollow shell]

I'll ask if it's been fixed for 1.5

[deft yew]

i probably need to have it mention discrepancies between actual boss names and their messages, like when you kill dragonfolly or calclone
that always bugged me

[hollow shell]

For Calamitas I'm pretty sure that's part of the fake-out thing
"Oh it's not actually Calamitas, it was just a clone"

What happens with Dragonfolly? I'm unfamiliar

[deft yew]

Its actual name is the dragonfolly but its death message is a dragonfolly

[hollow shell]

Ah

Hm

[fossil finch]

like 3 mods have those already so it's completely fair ground to play in because no one is original using those anymore

so yes do

[torn crown]

Suggestion Draft: Use Reactive/Timed DR instead of an HP boost for bosses in the config

The Boss HP boost option is currently on a standstill with its boost range from being somewhat redundant of adding a few seconds of battle, to being nigh-impervious; often making the fight a very long endurance match. HP boosting is also harder to eyeball and is generally niche on its own case, seeing that people either use it for the challenge or to meaningfully fight them with stronger gear and weapons. HP Boosting also has the weakness of it simply being a flat boost; with distant bosses still being melted even with the setting turned to the max.

Timed DR can fix this problem by using the boss' kill-time, then basing that on a percentage, meaning that it can be viable to fight them on any higher tier

Is this sugg decent enough?

My problem with it is that there's a difference between the 'strength' (i.e. how aggressive will it reduce the dpa) and the 'factor' (i.e. the intended kill-time for the boss) of the timed dr. I can't decide in suggest using either properties as their own, and using both properties would fall under being too niche to be picked up by devs/other people. There's also a plan to add the point of Helping No-hits not exceed the dps limit but I'm not exactly sure on the rules regarding Timed DR, and it doesn't look like a good enough point to add.

[grim tusk]

Cal already has reacive/timed DR

But its somewhat weak

(Unless its night providence)

[torn crown]

yes, I'm asking for it to replace the HP boss boost in the config

[grim tusk]

It’ll prob work better as a complement to that

[hollow shell]

I can see where you're going with this

but

"with distant bosses still being melted even with the setting turned to the max.
"meaning that it can be viable to fight them on any higher tier"
Are you trying to fight early-game bosses with later-game gear?

[grim tusk]

And anything nohit related reasoning pretty much makes your sugg stay in #suggestions-posting ‘s gutter

As it affects like

2% of the player base

[torn crown]

I've skimmed the uses of the option in the server, and some of those uses are for that

[grim tusk]

Change the reasoning to be more relateable to general players, to increase the likeliness of getting voted for and accepted

Not Noh*ters

[hollow shell]

Hmmmm

[grim tusk]

Something that you could suggest is making that config increase the strenght of the reactive/timed DR

[torn crown]

Usually, people just upgrade their gamemode if they want the boss to be harder, which overlooks the option

[torn crown]

I would but then it would leave the HP boost in a weirder spot

I don't /haven't seen a concrete use on it

[grim tusk]

Also
There isnt a dps limit, it was a guideline but it got yeeted
Minimum length does this
Stalling is against the rules
The rules encourage to not min max to the point of shredding the boss

[torn crown]

I see

[grim tusk]

.

[torn crown]

The values are still there, must've forgotten the fact that it's just a guideline

[torn crown]

yeah I'm currently brewing up on that

[grim tusk]

#nohit-guidelines only has mnl

And dps guideline will prob get removed from doc

[hollow shell]

Okay, so
I'm assuming this theoretical new config would work via multiplication of the current Reactive DR times

considering every boss has a different time

[torn crown]

pretty much- yeah

although I haven't specified it to leave more room for the devs to decide upon

[hollow shell]

I'm not entirely sure how that would be easier to eyeball than the current HP boost, or be any more intuitive?

Is "I want this boss to have 2x health" not the same as "I want this boss's kill time to be 2x as long" in practice?

[grim tusk]

Yep
cuz min max, modifiers, having good aim and othee stuff exists

[hollow shell]

Except for the fact that the latter is less intuitive, being an invisible force that causes your DPS to fluctuate throughout the fight depending on how long its taking?

[torn crown]

with other values like Defense/DR, yeah

[fossil finch]

it's a very minimun difference though

[hollow shell]

But giving them more health doesn't change your DPS

or their Defense/DR

Giving them 2x health would result in a 2x long battle

in the vast majority of cases

[grim tusk]

True

[torn crown]

HP Boosting also has the weakness of it simply being a flat boost; with distant bosses still being melted even with the setting turned to the max.
this is where this line comes into play

[hollow shell]

(well, I suppose high dodge focus and boss manueverability phases would last for longer, like Duke's final phase, might make it longer than 2x)

[grim tusk]

Multiplayer is the only place i see this happening

[hollow shell]

But why are you trying to fight King Slime with Hallowed equipment anyway?

If you're at the point where a boss with 10x health is still getting melted, what are you even trying to do?

[hollow vessel]

What is the name of the summoner of the Blood Moon?

[hollow shell]

Wrong channel but it's [[Blood Relic]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_Relic

[torn crown]

it was assuming that people do it to somehow re-experience the boss, with the HP being doped to take longer to kill

this idea falls when you take upgraded mobility in mind, but it's not like you can argue with people doing it regardless

[fossil finch]

((if you're shredding a boss with the max which iirc is 900x then something is happening there)

if you want to do that do bossrush i think

[hollow vessel]

thanks

[hollow shell]

((+900**%**))

((meaning 10x))

[fossil finch]

oh

[grim tusk]

Boring meltfest

Until 1.5 i guess

[hollow shell]

Boss Rush does exist yes

[fossil finch]

not really a melt fest if you use normal equipment

[hollow shell]

re-experiencing early bosses with late-game gear

[torn crown]

I would've said that "just make a boss rush-esque buff scale" but that in itself is already complex to explain/convey

There are people who don't prefer x boss to be that fast, or with other stats

[hollow shell]

And yeah
Fighting pre-Skeletron bosses with Hardmode mobility (wings) is always going to be unbalanced, even if you're dealing respectable percentages of health for damage

or early-HM bosses with late-game weapon ranges

BR versions of bosses are usually the same as Death Mode iirc

in terms of abilities

And all the bosses have their stats changed manually, per-boss

to fit with BR

[torn crown]

There was the idea to suggest having individual knobs for the stats but that would be too complex to use and too effortly to implement

now that I think about it, would be something hella interesting to mess around with

anyways you think it's still worthwile to post the sugg?

[hollow shell]

Wait hold on a second

[torn crown]

?

[hollow shell]

This exists

[torn crown]

yes but it's only up to 66%

[hollow shell]

Read it closer.

[torn crown]

ah wait, yeah

I have tried the option out, and the potency does decrease with how absurdly high your weapon tier is

I have (kind of) considered making the suggestion of buffing/adding a stronger option, but I was more focused on improving the hp boost option

[hollow shell]

🤔

If a big part of your reason is fighting earlier bosses with later tier equipment
Then, I think you should focus your suggestion more on that config option

[torn crown]

aight, I'll see if I can whip out the suggestion revolving more around that

thanks for the criticism for now

[hollow shell]

👍

[keen zealot]

#suggestions-voting message

should be noted that you only need a single block to block their spawns

and it doesn't even have to be solid

just needs to be where the sigil usually is

[hollow shell]

I'm going to hazard a guess that a lot of people don't know that

Because I've been playing Terraria since before and after 1.3 came out and all of these years I never knew about that specific detail

I only knew that mangling your dungeon entrance in some undiscerned way would screw up their spawn

[keen zealot]

I found out because some asshole tried to optimise the trolling on a big private server

[earnest raptor]

This is sorta RPG game.

Why you would have an option to essentially minimize your progress when refighting bosses?

[trim sun]

yeah

[earnest raptor]

I also find reactive DR a very dumb concept that doesn't solve the issue of crappy balancing.

[upbeat nebula]

very dumb suggestion because its easy to get the musket or deathslinger but what about a craftable pipe pistol or rifle and very weak hand crafted iron balls for ammo

just for early game gun. doesnt even need to meet requirments for the armsdealer

[hollow shell]

For what, a gun-only playthrough?

[upbeat nebula]

basically

i know the bow exists but i feel like the gun playthrough needs a craftible starter that can be a fun weapon to play with challenges

[trim sun]

my nuts are the ammo

[hollow shell]

Shush, you.

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Marnite_Bayonet This can get you started in a gun playthough

[trim sun]

sry

[hollow shell]

It's a bit hard to get the resources that early but it at least makes it possible

Of course there is also Musket/Undertaker

[trim sun]

and minishark although it needs a gun to be gotten before you can get it to so yeah musket

[hollow shell]

Minishark requires Arms Dealer, which requires a gun.

[hollow shell]

Unfortunately we do not cater to subclass-specific playthroughs like that, so having that be your only reasoning will not make it a valid suggestion.

Unless you can think of other reasons why a super early gun would be beneficial, outside of a gun-only challenge playthrough

[upbeat nebula]

is there any early gun you can carry to the very eng of calamity?

[hollow shell]

Hell no lol

No weapon can do that

[upbeat nebula]

no

[hollow shell]

aside from Halibut, but even that falls off by BR

[trim sun]

minishark can get pretty close

[upbeat nebula]

i mean like the wand. and copper sword

[hollow shell]

? Oh like, one continuous crafting line?

[upbeat nebula]

yeah

[hollow shell]

Hmmm

That would be Minishark.

Minishark --> Megashark --> Megalodon --> Seadragon --> Voidragon

[trim sun]

yay

[upbeat nebula]

true i forgot about that

the only other reason i could think of is appearace but that wont work

if i could code in mods i would show you a preveiw i would think it would look like but i dont

@hollow shell give me alil and ill figure out a real reason to put one in. ok?

[hollow shell]

Good luck.
Usually suggestions that are "idea first, reason second" don't go very well.
Reasons should come first, like identifying some problem, and suggestions being proposals to fix that problem

You did do this initially, the problem being that a gun-only PT is difficult to start, but that is not a valid reason (as described in the pinned Don'ts doc)

If you actually can find some valid reason why there should be a super early gun, then, that's cool

[upbeat nebula]

bet ill have to go through everyboss now XD but ill see you in a few hours or days

[trim sun]

k

[hollow shell]

aighty

[silver silo]

hey rover can I ask about reasoning for why a sugg I made was denied

[hollow shell]

Sure, which one was it

[silver silo]

blizzard changes one

[hollow shell]

aight gimme a sec

Too much effort, it was decided.
It'd probably have a whole update dedicated to it, and there'd need to be formulation of ideas that'd be sprited and programmed, enemies and items

And, our schedule is already kinda packed

[silver silo]

huh, I mean I guess yeah if you wanted to really make it stand out

understandable

[hollow shell]

Some devs liked the idea

but, just isn't really feasible

[silver silo]

well hey good thing about suggestions is they're valid forever, so feel free to yoink it whenever you guys arent working on anything else lol

[hollow shell]

lol

I know Thorium expands the blizzard a good bit, you can check that out if you're hankering for blizzard content

[silver silo]

true, although we all know how content mods mix with calamity

(they dont)

[earnest raptor]

I wanted to say musket then Rover answered about sharks.

[hollow shell]

Musket only goes into Plasma Rifle

[earnest raptor]

No, musket by itself

[hollow shell]

... ah

[upbeat nebula]

dang

there is no reason to put one in

[hollow shell]

Can't think of any?
That's alright

[upbeat nebula]

yeah i went through a couple of bosses and items and couldnt think of the reason because when i think about it. it would just be another lead up to the voiddragon. or the hailbut cannon

the best thing i really could think of is give it its own gimmick like you have to manual reload but if you perfect reload you get a 10-40% dmg buff but thats alil harder to mod

[hollow shell]

byeah and isn't really a reason in itself, more of a specification.

[upbeat nebula]

yeah the reason i say halibut cannon is because we have muramasa the red one, and The wand after yharon being a very op item for doing specific things to get.

so yeah nothing XD

[hollow shell]

s'alright

[tardy smelt]

woop it's getting close :D

[frozen hornet]

Nice

[glossy stone]

Wait wha-

how did I not see that one ?

Definitively want that.

[bold wave]

Calamity doesn't have enough class specific armor sets.

[glossy stone]

(Sadly) so true

[bold wave]

I mean, they take more effort to make

But that effort is worth it

imo

and not all classes need an armor set upgrade after every boss

[tardy smelt]

Good question you'd normally expect a gigantic wall of text like above to be hard to miss

[summer arrow]

True

[tardy smelt]

@left elbow if I'm not mistaken something like this was suggested before not so long ago

idk if it even got into #suggestions-voting but it's best to check if what you're suggesting has been suggested before or already implemented

it says in the rules you should do that... dunno where exactly tho

[left elbow]

a

[exotic stag]

it was suggested multiple times so yes you are right there was a sugg

i think the last one was around 2 weeks ago?

[tardy smelt]

could very well be

but- yeah. Moral of the story who tf is spamming these links everywhere

[exotic stag]

which links? you mean the scammy ones? or what

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[exotic stag]

oh well thats just scammers then

although we shouldn't drag on scammer talk in here.

thats a talk for just #general-talk

[tardy smelt]

true

won't tho

[low briar]

Sorry for being so late about the death animations suggestion

But don't you think it's a bit anticlimactic to beat a boss like devourer of gods, like the cosmic terror

And then it just goes poof

[lean bone]

but its frequently suggested

thats the main issue

[low briar]

How is that an issue?

[lean bone]

because it get suggested frequently and has less chance to be accepted

[low briar]

Is that a thing?

[ashen warren]

I tried to suggest it one time not realizing it was one of the big don'ts, but it is in the doc now.

[low briar]

Ah

Oke doke

Oh I didn't read the doc ._.

I'm sorry about that

[eternal escarp]

posting a draft here first like always

thoughts, ideas and or fixes?

to my knowledge it did not appear in the donts, but frankly i didnt actually check and im now on phone

[hollow shell]

Reading just the title, yes this looks fine

Yeah

Looks fine

[ashen warren]

I mean who uses sandgun

[eternal escarp]

, ill post it in a bit

[ashen warren]

Why not suggest a future sandgun upgrade or smth

[eternal escarp]

well, i dont use sandgun, but i definitely use sandstorm

(sandgun upgrade)

[ashen warren]

Idek what

Oh

Lmao

[eternal escarp]

post GSS

(Great Sand Shark)

[ashen warren]

Never knew that existed

[royal tapir]

moment

[eternal escarp]

yeah most GSS weapons are somewhat like that

(which is a shame because GSS is a great concept and the weapons are cool imo)

[ashen warren]

I've only used the flail

[royal tapir]

Duststorm in a Bottle is good iirc

[ashen warren]

And that was in a flail only challenge, it's not even good

[eternal escarp]

Duststorm is the only highly used one iirc

Sandslasher, Tumbleweed, Sandstorm, Whatever the magic missile succesor is called are mostly unused to my knowledge

[royal tapir]

Shifting Sands is the Magic Missile one

[ashen warren]

Ye I don't recognize most of those