but there's no rule against it
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
wooden wedge
ban toilets
grim tusk
^ i support this
exotic stag
ban taking a dump
charred locust
Let’s see if there’s slow mode here
Ok there isn’t
The Polaris Parrotfish should only lose one level of the buff on hit, instead of losing it completely
wooden wedge
you can tell if there's slowmode without saying anything btw
charred locust
It can be crafted with the Dragoon Drizzlefish to make the Water Moccasin, which shoots projectiles that travel in a wavy path and pass through tiles, like the Snake in Cave Story
In Cave Story you trade in the Polar Star and Fireball for the Snake
Finally, you can craft the Parrotfish with endgame materials to make the Spurfish. Left click to rapid fire small lasers, right click to fire huge lasers at a slower rate
crude geode
specific item suggestions aren't allowed, and you were pinged for problems with formatting before
crude geode
buff suggestions are eh, usually you just ping a tester if you really it to be re-tested
hollow shell
You also need to provide reasoning
for
why you think it should only lose one level on hit instead of all levels
The reason is the most important part of a suggestion.
zealous oriole
And not ‘i wanted to do this special playthrough but pufferfish isnt viable please change the game for me specifically’.
cobalt pewter
why you think it should only lose one level on hit instead of all levels
I'm not sure if it's the case with the actual weapon Cave Story has, but EtG's reference of it, Polaris, does lose a level every hit instead of all 3. not sure if it's faithful recreation or balance matter
though I never actually used parrotfish myself to be concerned about it
charred locust
The parrotfish can be really hard to use because you lose the buff completely on hit. By the time you're able to dodge effectively enough to use it, you'll probably be past it. It would also be more accurate towards the source material. That's my reasoning for the buff
grim tusk
Needs more reasoning as to why @oak meteor
charred locust
Maybe make the buff but also decrease the damage from 50 to 40 to balance it out
grim tusk
Adding numbers to a suggestion also is not allowed
oak meteor
Needs more reasoning as to why <@417178094059913220>
Well dont think i can give reasoning as all it is, a very niche suggestion that nearly nobody would actually use unless you like secrets
grim tusk
Give a reason that cannot be shortened to either, “just because”, “it’ll be cool” or “wouldn’t hurt” (which you used)
grim tusk
Its an improvement
oak meteor
anything else that should be changed?
grim tusk
I’ll wait for Rover
hollow shell
Big man rover
I guess this sugg is fine, ableit very minor and very niche as you said
oak meteor
yep
hollow shell
Top line could mention that you want them to be dependent on player name
hollow shell
Header
oak meteor
Ah ok
tardy smelt
yeah it IS pretty niche
and idk whether it'll work with scal's rewritten dialogue coming next update
but it would be a neat detail
frail mantle
all of her dialogue is being rewritten in 1.5 yea
hollow shell
This should still apply in 1.5
frail mantle
or has been rewritten, iunno if mrrp is done yet or not
hollow shell
(It might apply even more)
oak meteor
Maybe i could include that in the suggestion stating how it would be neat esspicaly with the rework
hollow shell
No.
eternal escarp
insert no future content Dont
oak meteor
Ah forgot about that rule oops
its 24 hours after suggestion has been posted in the posting channel for it to get moved to voting?
lean bone
yes
oak meteor
okay cool
hollow shell
mhm
gaunt quest
Oh nice two suggestions reached 200
gaunt quest
The music box one and the one about the rogue getting the calamitas brew potion stuff
lean bone
its the music box and calamitas brew ones
celest axle
Add more flametrowers and yoyos
ashen warren
I'm pretty sure asking to add an item is against the rules.
fossil finch
I don't see why you'd add more yoyos but there's some gaps without flamethrowers
That's only for specific stuff
celest axle
I'm pretty sure asking to add an item is against the rules.
This is just a dissucun
fossil finch
"Add more x weapon type" is fine as long as you provide reasoning and your reason isn't "because i want to finish a challenge run with only x weapon type"
celest axle
Also i like flametrowers Good crowd killing wepons ,
İm not saying go add it
İm saying , i like and would love to have more of em
İm just telling whats on my mind
ashen warren
Ok.
fossil finch
Suggesting something is in principle saying to "go add it" and if you're not suggesting it there's no point on bringing that up here
fossil finch
Read the channel desc
For discussing suggestions that have been posted in #suggestions-discussion or #suggestions-voting
This is not a channel to just vent ideas if you're not gonna make a sugg, a better place for that is #calamity-mod-talk
idk man it's just the rules of this place :P
celest axle
🙄 okey
tardy smelt
still no 🏁
lean bone
thats a good suggestion
exotic stag
<:boohoo:792848211488407572> still no 🏁
they are working on it
tardy smelt
ik
exotic stag
ok but im actually surprised on this
ashen warren
How long does it usually take for the devs to accept or deny suggestions?
exotic stag
How long does it usually take for the devs to accept or deny suggestions?
it gets sent usually at around 200 stars
tardy smelt
How long does it usually take for the devs to accept or deny suggestions?
no idea.
hollow shell
It takes exactly 2 days for a delivered suggestion to have its dev votes finalized
(though this is also manual so it could be delayed)
tardy smelt
yeah
ashen warren
it gets sent usually at around 200 stars
I know that I mean for the devs to thumbs up or no.
exotic stag
I know that I mean for the devs to thumbs up or no.
2-3 days
tardy smelt
and overall everyone seemed to find it good which is why I suggested it 
lean bone
it is good
tardy smelt
dunno if I'll see it get into the draedon update doe ;-;
ashen warren
Maybe in the following patches.
I don't think it will get into the main update because they have other stuff to work on.
tardy smelt
fair enough
ashen warren
I know it's a one of the don'ts but is there ever actually maybe possibly going to be unique deaths for bosses? I know spawning is eventually planned.
lean bone
how is spawning eventually planned?
ashen warren
Spawning animation.
tardy smelt
make a sugg then watch it be refused because it was already planned and no one cared to mention that it was
ashen warren
I think rover said something about it awhile ago.
tardy smelt
that happened to my first ever suggestion
ashen warren
What was it?
tardy smelt
free boss idea btw
I only found out after the sugg hit #suggestions-voting that the devs already planned to rework the destroyer's laser patterns to be more consistent
gaunt quest
well maybe you gave them the idea
tardy smelt
and weirdly enough the telegraphed laser line thing also sorta happens in one of Thanatos's attacks
not with the whole rotation thing I think
but the telegraphing sure does
tardy smelt
:hehe:
tardy smelt
exo toilet
I'd say this makes me lose my faith in humanity but that implies I ever had any
gaunt quest
don't give the memers ideas
lean bone
i have a suggestion:
gaunt quest
oh no
lean bone
MAKE EVERYTHING HAVE TOILET FURNITURE
Please itll be funny.
tardy smelt
don't give the memers ideas
I'm not giving anyone ideas
lean bone
10 out of 10
gaunt quest
shadowspec toilet when
tardy smelt
tardy smelt
nope, neither exists yet
gaunt quest
don't add toilets they are dumb why did terraria even make them
tardy smelt
profaned toilet was mentioned a few times though
gaunt quest
bloodstone toilet
tardy smelt
gaunt quest
there are no new suggestions interesting
first time i think i have seen the channel empty
gaunt quest
hmmmm
tardy smelt
but I had a few ideas for post-ML dungeon
gaunt quest
the only time i ever thought of any suggestion i wasn't able to post it due to it being too specific lol
ashen warren
New suggestion:
REMOVE TOILETS THEY HAVE NO PURPOSE
gaunt quest
no one would vote for that
ashen warren
Are you sure about that?
gaunt quest
not 199 people
ashen warren
There are 80,000 people that are part of this server. Are you sure none would vote for it? To end the unfunny memes?
tardy smelt
but I had a few ideas for post-ML dungeon
anyway, one of them was that occasionally these mines would spawn...
they just float 'n spin around idly
but if you hit them with weapons they explode into a bunch of phantom spirits
excuse the terrible quality I had no other option but to use ms paint for drawing this
the other idea would be that all throughout the dungeon "webs" of phantoplasm would spawn, not dissimilar to thorns
gaunt quest
can't be that specific
tardy smelt
exactly
tardy smelt
the other idea would be that all throughout the dungeon "webs" of phantoplasm wo...
but they spawn less frequently than them, more clustered and rapidly drain your life when you overlap with them without getting destroyed
exotic stag
#suggestions-voting message indeed 8 more. snort
(i just read dolos's and just went "eh wynaut"
grim tusk
#suggestions-voting message also this one hit over 350 wtf
fossil finch
apparently people really like this type of stuff
same with the unique spawns/death animations
they always get a FUCKTON of stars
frozen hornet
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/8859929720621...
no more
I was gonna vote for it but I forgot
exotic stag
mine was sitting at 180 for a while then got boosted to like 192
ashen warren
Yeah.
golden kayak
I am surprised that my fishing suggestion got above 200
Even if it won't be implemented due to it being very nitpicky or however you call that
tardy smelt
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/8798420407944...
same goes for my sentinels sugg...
although that one only passed 300
people still really like that kind of stuff though
easter eggs, details, making the player feel more connected to the setting of the mod
dapper coral
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/8798420407944...
~~looks like i still hold the record for most stars on a sugg 
~~
tardy smelt
and I guess it does make good suggestion content
languid quartz
icicle arrow rotation was godly demik
tardy smelt
cuz players are usually better at noticing these kinds of things than devs
safe oasis
damn the sugg record holder is surprisingly mundane #suggestions-voting message
grim tusk
#suggestions-voting message also 🏁
earnest raptor
they always get a FUCKTON of stars
It's because monke's neuron activates on visuals
keen zealot
There are 80,000 people that are part of this server. Are you sure none would vo...
how many do you think are active? how many do you think even know suggs exist? look at other suggestions. there's a reason the suggestion delivery milestone is only 200.
solid folio
why is the armored digger suggestion back at 1 vote
grim tusk
Discord shat itself, should return to normality soon
crude geode
Yeah, pisscord being pisscord, I see it as 147
solid folio
wack
steep crown
Might just be a wiki thing, But I noticed while looking over the revengence changes
steep crown
No, Should I delete it if its just a wiki thing
silver silo
Wiki can have mistakes yknow
steep crown
Currently not in a position to do that, so I'll just delete it
hollow shell
Alright
royal tapir
If you're talking about the Revengeance Mode page, in Revengeance+ they don't flee outside the evil biomes
hollow shell
The suggestion was about Brain of Cthulhu being able to be fought in the Corruption
but Eater of Worlds not able to be fought in the Crimson
and that EoW should be able to be fought in the Crimson, for equality
royal tapir
Like, spawning it? Or it just existing?
hollow shell
Don't know
royal tapir
I just tested it, both enrage in the opposite evil
So I should probably remove that line on the Revengeance Mode page
hollow shell
Aight
fossil finch
When the sugg is invalid!
Also I'm unsure what are you doing because mechworm is in no way better than kindle
marsh girder
kindle staff sucks
ass
it needs some changes
4 minion slots for
like 130 damage
fossil finch
It doesn't
fossil finch
It literally doesn't
patent nimbus
most of post ml is already being rebalanced anyway
fossil finch
It literally has like
The strongest iframe ignore of the mod
(And as pinned here, post ml rebalance exists and the sugg is invalid)
hollow shell
@marsh girder See pins. The entirety of Post-ML is getting rebalanced because of the Stat Flattening™️, so your suggestion will not apply.
marsh girder
oh'
yeah i didnt check pins firs
first
but im not only discussing post ml
i mean weak weapons in general
its just all i could think of
weapons behind their tier
hollow shell
It's not a very helpful suggestion to say "Make underpowered weapons be appropriately powered."
That's the entire goal of the testing team (or half of it, the other half being making overpowered weapons appropriately powered)
The testing team is always at work balancing the content in the mod
We just have a lot of frickin content
fossil finch
In any case, you'd also need to provide killtimes w/ gear for whatever weapons you find up or op
Simply saying you think something is weak won't suffice
hollow shell
Yes, killtimes are a better measure than eyeballing the damage numbers anyhow
A pretty minimal sugg, this one
But I suppose it is valid
It's one that we've received before
keen zealot
would love to see more practicality to the super dummies beyond being targetable
the patchwerk from I think fargo's floats and has toggleable iframes and defense values
wicked dirge
Mainly because defense can drastically change dps
fossil finch
the patchwerk from I think fargo's floats and has toggleable iframes and defense...
(Luiafk)
grim tusk
@ashen warren not only you didnt add space between the title, you gave no reasoning whatsoever and this isnt even a suggestion but an idea
ashen warren
a
grim tusk
Oh you deleted it
grim tusk
Nah dont worry, thats what this channel is for, we point out whats wrong and give advice on how to fix the suggestion (or tell to read doc is the idea is not allowed)
grim tusk
It was ok but it could have broken too specific rule
grim tusk
Melee works differently to mage
Melee can get in upclose and hit with blade
Mage has no blades whatsoever
keen zealot
sky fracture
sleek turret
That's a "weapon design" debate.
grim tusk
I meant as on swing-able weapons not as literal knives
keen zealot
I know
grim tusk
That's a "weapon design" debate.
And we best avoid those
keen zealot
no melee hitboxes
ashen warren
oh no
keen zealot
melee has true melee, rogue has the stealth meter... would be cool to have some other class specific mechanics kind of like those
ashen warren
ye
keen zealot
other than point blank shot for ranger because that's just true melee but ranger
fossil finch
(Ranger has pbs next update and all)
grim tusk
melee has true melee, rogue has the stealth meter... would be cool to have some ...
And then theres summoner as a whole
keen zealot
summoner is the class specific mechanic ig
sleek turret
was that even a good idea?
something idea mage could have a charge meter of mana where more mana is spent the more damage it deals or has some sort of strong attack, I like it.
ashen warren
i wrote that
keen zealot
I was thinking actually kind of the opposite
keen zealot
give a small damage boost every time you get back to full mana
ashen warren
nah some kind of charge that uses more manage doing something specific
keen zealot
a charge mechanic like that might be better as an item gimmick rather than being for the whole class
ashen warren
a
keen zealot
preferably a single weapon so you don't have to worry about an accessory affecting the entire game
ashen warren
we have the martian cannon (idk i dont speak english)
lemme check
charged blaster cannon
keen zealot
what you're suggesting sounds fundamentally different to the charged blaster cannon, to me at least
ashen warren
ok the point is
keen zealot
if you just want more magic weapons that charge we already have several
obsidian cove
More like mana needs a rework
ashen warren
Nah mana is ok
Lets keep it simple
U use magical weapons
U waste mana
Thats it
obsidian cove
Well it was supposed to make mage unique and kinda just did nothing
sleek turret
mana is ok but the only thing that annoys me is Mana Flower
mana flower should decrease mana sickness damage penalty tbh
keen zealot
that would only make the problem worse
obsidian cove
I can’t remember the last time I actually worried about my mana levels
Which is why it needs a rework, though calamity probably won’t be the one to do it
ashen warren
Can we have types of spells?
Like when u use a book u can bind a key to choose between attacks
More like a rpg
obsidian cove
I at one point tried to make a mod where you draw shapes for different spells
obsidian cove
Which the issue is, how do you then aim?
obsidian cove
Did you draw?
?
obsidian cove
Seems really high effort to do
Since you would need to change every projectile or items ai
ashen warren
"normal attack: 30 mana usage"
"secondary/specciall attack: 60 mana usage"
Idk
Mage need something
obsidian cove
Well this is a “why calamity” moment
crude geode
indeed
obsidian cove
It’s not necessary the best mod for a class rework, those usually are better as standalones
crude geode
Mage also has one of the highest variety in projectiles (note I didn't say weapons because melee has like 200 or so).
ashen warren
I mean
obsidian cove
Most of which are just click and shoot
ashen warren
We have an armor that disables life regen
And another one that gives u damage but u need to damage urself
(srry for my bad english tho)
oak meteor
suprised that my most recent suggestion has nearly 100 votes for such a niche thing
glossy stone
I mean, it is pretty cool
And it is accurate to the character of Cal imo
I swear if this suggestion gets in, I'm doing a Silva run
oak meteor
heh
fossil finch
That's not hard to implement i think
exotic stag
yeah since slime god exists
patent nimbus
don't they already spawn naturally in death mode?
eternal escarp
@ashen warren i seems like what you are suggesting already exists
crystal cedar
i'd like this
gloomy current
dang
oak meteor
Sir, this is #suggestions-discussion
exotic stag
dang.
lethal sparrow
Weird idea, profound soul crystal but it’s available at every stage but upgrades like the community
hollow shell
^ and ^, yes
hollow shell
Again, dedicated item
lethal sparrow
Alright
hollow shell
You'd have to ask Amber's permission before making any suggestions
(which, you can do)
oak meteor
holy smokes my suggestion nearly 200 and its only been a day
hollow shell
Hrm
I do not know how feasible or practical this would be
It would be easier for other mods to detect Calamity's modes and make those changes themselves
Rather than Calamity boosting entities from other mods, either very specifically (lots of workload) or very generally (potential for problems)
warped field
Honestly, I had figured something similar. Heh, now that just gives me the idea of a bunch of mods working together...
But that'd be impossibly chaotic, I think.
hollow shell
It would indeed be possible for a third party mod to come in and do the stat changes too
Detects Calamity modes and make changes to Thorium NPCs, for example
No work required from Cal or Thorium devs
distant gyro
the most impossible part of it is that not every mod is built the same
cobalt pewter
Other mods changing stuff relative to Calamity would be easier than Calamity trying to cater to other mods
distant gyro
SoA is closer to Calamity balance than something like FSM is
and god bless if enraged Mutant gets buffed even further 
warped field
Heh. Oh, yeah, thanks for all the responses and info, by the way.
And, unrelated to the discussion, nice Green Mage.
distant gyro
hollow shell
So uh, yeah
Not feasible, other solutions would be better
to answer your suggestion which is more of a question :P
warped field
Heh. It was more of an
"Is it possible? If yes:"
hollow shell
Yes we could indeed do it if we wanted to
warped field
Choose your adventure suggestion
hollow shell
But we would rather not
cobalt pewter
It's possible, but heavy workload if cal does it
If those other mods change stuff if any of the cal difficulties are enabled instead, the scope is slightly smaller and it's entirely possible
I guess
warped field
Understandably so. Yeah, I had just seen a few mods out there that are like "Changes things in Calamity and Thorium so they play nice" and I was thinking about this.
distant gyro
interesting that the only compatibility rule was throwing/rogue
distant gyro
Rev at some point used to buff Thorium bosses' stats
warped field
It's sad, how vanilla Terraria wasted a perfectly good class idea.
distant gyro
it was discontinued to discourage mod mixing
warped field
Yeah, I stopped mixing Calamity with other mods a while back specifically because the other mods felt out of place alongside playing in Revengeance/Death.
distant gyro
(even though practically no one was against the rev buff)
warped field
Eh, that's just how things go at times.
I had a lot of fun playing other mods with Calamity back when I was only ballsy enough to play Calamity in expert, though.
Which, duh, is where this suggestion came from.
Anyways, I'm basically just repeating myself now, so I'll say it again: thanks for taking the time to respond and explain.
cobalt pewter
warped field
Oh, yeah, should I delete that suggestion, or is that on you guys?
warped field
Mhmm. Eh, I'll let others see it. Maybe they can be inspired and come up with something sensible.
short walrus
that's like asking a wildfire to not burn things
@keen briar seriously though, no toilet suggs
keen briar
WHY
lean bone
unfunny
crude geode
Toilet suggs aren’t banned yet (keyword being yet) but the formatting and lack of reasoning does in fact cause problems
fair ledge
toilet sugg very funny 
torn crown
A decent suggestion for toilets is probably to add to the "add [missing/underused furniture] into x furniture set/s" thing
oak meteor
Thats what i kinda do but reverse
exotic stag
A decent suggestion for toilets is probably to add to the "add [missing/underuse...
i mean thats not like it happened 7 times again
oak meteor
I suggested auric tesla furniture since auric toilet
exotic stag
sure auric furniture would be unique since theres furnitures from the others too
zenith hazel
@keen briar no.
also if you're going to make a suggestion, please have a proper reason as to why it should be implemented
warped field
Ah, yes. The Calamity community.
"Can we try this complex thing?"
"That'd be difficult."
"Oh, sorry. Thanks for the response."
"Next suggestion."
"Haha toilet funi"
eternal escarp
there are more often the not, real suggestions posted in the channel
pulsar marlin
Luminite Toilet XD
exotic stag
Ah, yes. The Calamity community.
"Can we try this complex thing?"
"That'd be dif...
and then after that "chang dedikated item pls it too op or it too bad"
cobalt pewter
Anyone who dares making any toilet suggs from now on shall be personally scolded by
me
exotic stag
and the entire calamity community.
cobalt pewter
lean bone
Make toilet
Please it'll be funny
glossy stone
Ah, yes. The Calamity community.
"Can we try this complex thing?"
"That'd be dif...
So true, reality sucks smh!
warped field
Clearly, there's only one necessary change:
Remove the Calamity community in the next update, then we wouldn't have those problems.
lean bone
^
lean bone
^
warped field
How will I read the changelogs noowwwwww-
Player: TehWafflHouze has been disconnected
lean bone
wait no iban was first remember
novel belfry
lean bone
@deft river helo no they wont add big chungus thank you for asking now delete it
warped field
I was al nervous and stuff, making sure to hit every guideline to make sure the nice people at Calamity were happy with what I said and had a good reading experience and thanked them for their time, but it turns out that you can just say whatever you want apparently.
hollow shell
@deft river Don't do that
hollow shell
Ancients awakened
(what)
frail mantle
AA has rajah rabbit (big chungus boss in real)
hollow shell
Oh
warped field
I was just trying out AA last night before putting in my suggestion.
Wasn't a huge fan. The amount of biomes and stuff scared me.
Maybe for another day, back to my 10000000th Calamity play through.
exotic stag
rover was the perfect person to ping as well.. its all connected
so me and rover have something in common thewn
we both like aa too much
hollow shell
I'm not a big fan of this whole joke. I've never played AA and many of you know the reputation it has.
lean bone
what happened with ancients awakened? why has it got a bad reputation?
fossil finch
a mistake, that was
exotic stag
~~I'm not a big fan of this whole joke. I've never played AA and many of you kno...
ok but i still like aa too much..
frail mantle
i don't see a reason to hate anti aliasing
lean bone
^
hollow shell
Creator did very weird shit and the server fell into absolute chaos
frail mantle
it's not that bad as long as it's not overused
exotic stag
what happened with ancients awakened? why has it got a bad reputation?
basically alphakip..
hollow shell
it's not that bad as long as it's not overused
Yes me in that screenshot is referring to Anti-aliasing but Iban did the funny
frail mantle
i assumed so
hollow shell
I need to play more of them tbh
lean bone
same
ive only played mine, calamity, a bit of thorium and im doing spirit rn
(and mine only has like 70 items)
hollow shell
Calamity's good, Thorium's good, Spirit's good, SoA's got potential
Never played Redemption, never played AA, never played EA, nor Bluemagic/Elemental Unleash, nor Starlight River,
and like 50 other mods I'm forgetting
fossil finch
(slr hasn't released)
lean bone
ive only played mine, calamity, a bit of thorium and im doing spirit rn
also played fargo's and that one with the spinning snake boss
hollow shell
(slr hasn't released)
(thought so)
warped field
Try Split.
If nothing else, it's boss fights are wonderfully well crafted.
A bit more bullet-helly than other mods, but not horribly so.
Also, loveable characters go brrr
Good art.
The only real issue is that Split isn't super big, so sometimes it feels like it needs more content.
Split + another mod can be fun. Doesn't really apply to Calamity, too big and overpowering. I'd say Split x Spirit or Split x Thorium or somsthing.
ancient mirage
this channel is for discussing suggestions for the calamity mod to add
which you would post in #suggestions-posting
finite smelt
A) no reasoning B) June 1th
crystal iron
1th 🙃 🙃
weak field
I'm surprised this isn't already a thing
gray nebula
~~I'm not a big fan of this whole joke. I've never played AA and many of you kno...
epic fail i will try to includea /s next time i post it sorry
hollow shell
full thistle
jesus that emoji is cursed
frail mantle
lean bone
even more cursed
warped field
I feel like there was decent reasoning for that suggestion, it's a celebration! Also, a misspelling doesn't discredit anything. I, personally like the idea, but I have no power here sooo
oak meteor
how many votes does my most recent suggestion have? Laptop and phone both show two different numbers
lean bone
174
oak meteor
ah ok
mossy holly
i find that the two attacks it has are kind off repetitive after the 2nd playthrough
shoot lasers and dash at you
thats all it does besides the laser wall
crude geode
focus a bit more on that instead tbfh, instead of the more subjective opinions that others might not agree with
hollow shell
It is quite minimal compared to Prov and Yharon
Yeah, I suppose more of the reasoning could be focused on a lack of gameplay variety
rather than difficulty
mossy holly
i guess
crude geode
I agree with the fact it's easier compared to prov and yharon, but providence (semi) recently got updated with higher difficulty whereas dog hasn't been for a few updates
also yharon is a later boss in progression so it makes sense for him to be naturally harder
mossy holly
i mean thats the point, DoG hasnt been updated in a while and should get some attention
i just make a suggestion for something they could add
crude geode
Difficulty is a highly subjective point tbh, which is why I want a bit more focus on attack variety, something that's less subjective
as it can be argued that he's still a challenging boss, but it's hard to argue against the fact that has only two real attacks
hollow shell
(oh right don't forget about Cosmic Guardians)
crude geode
major boss fight, instead of "mayor"
mossy holly
thx
hollow shell
Yeah I was gonna mention that too
Yeah the sugg looks better, now that you have a bit about repetition
You could add something to your final line too
"and if I'm being honest I don't think DoG stands up to Providence or Yharon in terms of difficulty"
could mention variety here too
crude geode
yeah, since provi has a good variety of attacks and yharon has like six subphases
mossy holly
could mention variety here too
👍 just added that
mossy holly
I don't want to end up like the "i'm too good for this boss" guy
hollow shell
You're aight
crude geode
Mentioning attack variety helps make the suggestion more concrete, so you’re good now
gray nebula
just more variety in dog's attacks in general would be nice tbh not just sentinels being there
mossy holly
its just my pick but yeah any variety is good
keen zealot
idk having the servants show up at all kinda contradicts DoG's character imo
glossy stone
Is there already a suggestion about OOA armor and summoner penalty ?
earnest raptor
I don't think anybody cares about OOA armor that much
lean bone
i dont even know what ooa armor is
glossy stone
I don't think anybody cares about OOA armor that much
Reaaally now ?
frozen hornet
OOA is a huge slog so most people skip it
glossy stone
I mean I skip it too but I get the gear regardless
Using a mod that allows me to buy the stuff directly
frozen hornet
fair
glossy stone
I guess I could make a sugg about OOA as a whole
crude geode
You’d likely trigger too big of a rework but that’s up to the mods tbfh
keen zealot
OOA rework is a job for another mod
glossy stone
You’d likely trigger too big of a rework but that’s up to the mods tbfh
Just adding more HP to the crystal tbh
But anyway, I wanted to ask if we could rework the OOA armors slightly
Aka removing/reducing the summoner penalty when using these
sinful violet
Valhalla knight is/was still one of the best possible choices
glossy stone
Shinobi Infiltrator is nice for true melee
Red Riding is amazing for ranger
Dark Artist is good for hybridization of mage and summoner
tardy smelt
(oh right don't forget about Cosmic Guardians)
oh hey we're talking DoG?
don't mind me if I bump my old cosmic guardians sugg
it's fairly close to 200 too
oak meteor
OOA good for summoners but thats obv
tardy smelt
Red Riding has really good stats all-round
oak meteor
I mainly only get OOA for the ballista
proper grail
Oi @hollow shell can I ask you another question
hollow shell
Sure
proper grail
What's the suggestion bot this server uses, and how can I get it
I'm setting up a seperate server for my own ends and this is the best looking bot imo
proper grail
Is there possibly a way that I could use it?
proper grail
I'm a bit confused, how would borrowing the same code cause issues?
hollow shell
Ah I thought you meant hosting the same bot in a different server
Like, @ashen warren being a member of both
If you copied the code and hosted your own that'd be better ig
proper grail
I know nothing about how to use or manage bots myself
However I know several people who can use online ones via the control panel
bold cypress
i have an idea that may not be very balanced
The general gist of it is, if you dont defeat any of the true gods, make it so that when you eventually do decide to fight them, they are stronger
say you decide to not kill astrum deus before the moon lord, or providence
then astrum deus would get stronger due to idk
maybe something like "the cosmic infection spreads" for when they get stronger
hollow shell
Why do you think that should happen?
bold cypress
well
frozen hornet
So buff deus in post-ML?
bold cypress
providence in-lore is sitting in the center of the sun until they are either powerful enough to destroy the entire planet, or until something demands their attention, the moon lord is supposed to get like, enhancements of some kind,
yeah
maybe providence after like, DoG
hmm
if the terrarian is basically just not even a figure in the lore at all
like not even just some random peasant in a village
then why would they have any reason to not say
help providence destroy the world, or help seal away the moon lord
obviously yharim is bad
you cant get a main title of "tyrant" if you're a good person
but how is the terrarian supposed to know that
frozen hornet
he knows it because the entire world knows it
hollow shell
What does this have to do with buffing bosses later in progression?
bold cypress
honestly not much other than the fact that the terrarian needs to have at bare minimum more lore then "they exist"
even if its something like 'the terrarian exists and does not want the world to end' or something like that
frozen hornet
Terrarian lore is up to the player, wether they're actually good or just a killing machine for strong things
also you'd need a reason to even refight deus in post-ML
Aureus for example gets the jelly bean
crude geode
honestly not much other than the fact that the terrarian needs to have at bare m...
How does that even help give the terrarian more lore??
frozen hornet
I think it's a "terrarian kills ML and provi because he is a good character and doesn't join the badguy side"
hollow shell
It seems line your train of thought shifted from one suggestion to another
zealous oriole
The first suggestion seemed like it was asking for consequences for leaving bosses alone that in their lore have potential to/do grow stronger if left to their own devices.
The second one is just asking for lore centered on the terrarian, which i strongly disagree with. It’s great that the terrarian is a blank slate, because the terrarian is supposed to be the player. If you define any aspect of the terrarian’s motivations, you forcibly make them a separate entity from the player, when the terrarian character and the player are supposed to be one and the same. Make terrarian a good guy? You exclude everyone who wants to interpret themselves as the villain. That’s different than, say, objective consequences - if it was to be lore that killing the lunatic cultist instead brought about the solar invasion rather than being an attempt to stop it, then the terrarian would incidentally do something bad, but might have intended to do good.
Excuse my paragraphs-
oak meteor
couple new 200 star suggestions now neat
zealous oriole
so, do suggestions up for voting just stay up forever? i guess i thought they were cleared out every so often like suggestions-posting
frail mantle
nah the ones in voting stay
hollow shell
Yeah
Voting is permanent, posting is temporary
Posting is temporary so that it serves as the review area, the filter
for the
permanent registry of Voting
zealous oriole
this means…
i can freely spend my hours reading through months if not years of previous quality suggestions. it’s like the wiki, but more!
hollow shell
You can indeed do that
oak meteor
What bosses would need a generated arena
hollow galleon
What I mostly had in mind was Poltergheist and Ceaseless Void
oak meteor
A few bombs can easily solve that
plus if your mainly doing void, you have acess to DCU
hollow galleon
Yeah but you've gotta replace blocks afterwards in order to make sure that it's still dungeon
and it won't enrage when you get to one corner
lean bone
pretty sure polter and void arena is frequently suggested
oak meteor
Yea
pretty sure you can scroll up to find a suggestion thats gotten 200 stars that talks about large area in dungeon
hollow galleon
shoot there is
I mean
I also think a jungle arena and hell arena are also a maybe
Since you fight both plantera and PBG in the underground jungle (as well as maybe queen Bee and dragonfolly) and a hell arena might be good for hell providence, signus, and brimstone elemental
oak meteor
well i think plantera arena is not needed
terraria is a block game hwere you meant to break and build stuff so if you get rid of part of that aspect by having it all done for tou
frozen hornet
plant arena building really isn't too bad
weak field
Plant isn't that bad, dungeon is more acceptable since the enemies at that time are pretty threatening still, plus the whole work of having to buy dungeon walls and place them everywhere and so on
oak meteor
sleek turret
at the point you have to build a polterghast arena you have plenty of mining speed
oak meteor
Ehat i did was bomb rough area that smooth it out with pick
oak meteor
only big wider that plant
lean bone
maybe draedon wants 2 hell labs
oak meteor
my draedon jungle labs always been pretty middle
fossil finch
Bad rng when it
keen zealot
@void plover small world?
void plover
Large world
And when i say it was functionally in hell i wasn't lying, notice the demons on the left
hollow shell
Damn, bad luck.
I suppose we could enforce a maximum depth, yeah
You could include this screenshot in your suggestion
(along with saying its a large world to dispel common small world jank concerns)
👍
void plover
Maybe i should backtrack there with a depth meter to show exactly how deep it is.
should i?
hollow shell
Probably not necessarily, you can literally see it dip below the underground layer into the underworld
Most people probably don't have an intuition of the different layers from their depth value number
void plover
but yeah, i explored 100% of the large world jungle before finding it
don't ask me how many torches i went through lmao
oak meteor
seems to only be about 3 suggestions over 200 stars after sept 13
exotic stag
(#suggestions-voting message) jesus moment 198
ashen warren
205 now 
ashen warren
(https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/878696515504...
doing this is a very good way to give old suggs the boost they need
exotic stag
yeah i do it for some of the "this is an older message. click here to go to the recent ones" and ones i find interesting up there
#suggestions-voting message like something like this. cool little niche thing
grim tusk
Damn was gonna link that one lmao
exotic stag
beat'cha to it
grim tusk
#suggestions-voting message self promotion
#suggestions-voting message luxor’s gift, bottom text
#suggestions-voting message neat idea
exotic stag
#suggestions-voting message this one is good too imo
royal tapir
Just need one more
exotic stag
little alternative
royal tapir
Bot star moment
safe oasis
i think rover said something about not randomly posting suggs that are close to the star mark
something about wanting to measure natural engagement rather than repeated bumps
grim tusk
Didnt find anything
Also im noticing that the most stared suggs (of recent times) are mostly cosmetic purposes and not things that would be helpful
hollow shell
I bet that I did say that in the past
but also
If a suggestion is really close, I'd rather it just get the stars when I see them so that I can deliver em right then, and not have to keep scrolling back to check up on it
exotic stag
i mean its a reason why i dm bots my sugg when they cant see it so i can quickly just get there
grim tusk
If a suggestion is *really* close, I'd rather it just get the stars when I see t...
So we don’t post em here?, alr then
safe oasis
Also im noticing that the most stared suggs (of recent times) are mostly cosmeti...
minor/cosmetic changes have always been the most commonly starred suggs as far as i remember because they’re just easy to agree with
not much room for resistance to change or whatever so people star it because it’s cool
hollow shell
So we don’t post em here?, alr then
Actually with that statement I was implying that really close suggs should get posted here so that they don't teeter on the edge as long
Sorry if I was unclear
naive mica
<@847258145041940520> already done
my bad. sorry about that, ill del the msg
earnest raptor
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/8718262159657...
hell ye
tardy smelt
polterghast only enrages aboveground though
the "enrage" you're speaking of is most likely just the fact that both bosses get more aggressive when there's less active blocks nearby
frozen hornet
Does CV do that
distant gyro
we do a little evil
tardy smelt
Does CV do that
yeah it does
all dungeon bosses do a.k.a. only polty and CV
Skeletron doesn't count
tardy smelt
was referring to tile count
silver silo
we do a little evil
I remember noticing something weird about calamity rarities, like when you pick them up/reforge them it shows a completely different rarity to what they visually have
wonder what thats about
distant gyro
that's tmod code stuff
silver silo
I see figured it would be some nonsense like that
like it shows them as vanilla rarities even though they arent
distant gyro
all we do when we add a rarity is replace the text with another color
earnest raptor
wonder what thats about
calamity rarities are RenderTooltip hook
they are not real
distant gyro
because we can't necessarily insert another rarity into the existing system
silver silo
yeah I figured
distant gyro
basically it's just an illusion
silver silo
because when I reforge them its showing their ''true'' rarities
earnest raptor
it could be possible to change that in tml, but everyone is lazy lmao
silver silo
smh I can't believe you guys just spraypainted over the existing rarities
fake ass
distant gyro
time for IL editing
earnest raptor
it could be possible to change that in tml, but everyone is lazy lmao
something like a patch in rendering code that replaces hardcoded check with enums
maybe even custom rendering call in that enum
distant gyro
anyways im not starring the original suggestion because the fact that vanilla does that is garbage in the first place
earnest raptor
for something fancy
silver silo
theres a lot of custom rarities in calamity right, for donator/dev weapons, its different to terraria's rarity ranking system
imagine if you could get a dev/donator rarity by just reforging something
earnest raptor
no
distant gyro
donator/draedon arsenal/custom are special
earnest raptor
I am just saying than proper API would allow that
distant gyro
outside of that there's actual rarity rankings
(red, vanilla) - (purple, 1.5) - turquoise - bright green - dark blue - violet - hot pink
silver silo
do you not like the rarity ranking system vanilla has? whys that
distant gyro
the rarity ranking is not the issue, the fact that modifiers affect it is
oak meteor
draedon weapons have unique rarities?
distant gyro
yes, it's kinda a rusty brown color
earnest raptor
yep, they do, I was confused over it too
distant gyro
or orange
oak meteor
ah
silver silo
I mean I kind of liked how if I got the best modifier it'd make it go up a tier
earnest raptor
too similar to rare item bullshit
distant gyro
basically when you sort items in chests you get to see trash like a high roll item being put over the on tier item
and something like an item of rarity 2 gets sandwiched by a rarity 2 item and a dupe of it that has rarity 3
it's very disorganized
silver silo
true I guess
distant gyro
granted, modded players don't experience this much because everyone and their pets use magic storage
earnest raptor
ech
earnest raptor
vanilla items are above calamity ones
I didn't like it in 2018
I don't like that in 2021
silver silo
it could be possible to change that in tml, but everyone is lazy lmao
so does it mean this is theoretically a valid suggestion?
making cal rarities ''real'' @distant gyro
fossil finch
Ok but you both are what's called exceptions 
earnest raptor
vanilla items are above calamity ones
fixing that would be simple
all post-provi items should have purple rarity
so they will be above in chests and magic storage interface
distant gyro
this is fixed in 1.5
earnest raptor
so does it mean this is theoretically a valid suggestion?
my suggestion doesn't make them more real
silver silo
imagine having to account for another mod's problem
distant gyro
instead of rarity 12+ being rarity 10 it's now rarity 11
distant gyro
and rarity 11 is a legit rarity for items between ml and provi
provi to sentinels now possessing turq
earnest raptor
now I just need to wait million years
distant gyro
and so on
wild bluff
for tile count enrage both do
is the suggestion invalid then, should i delete?
for dungeon enrage
?
distant gyro
no, but the reason partially is
silver silo
oh right I actually asked fabsol about a dungeon arena and he basically just said nah because of how polter will be working next update (more predictive with less tiles)
silver silo
not sure I ever had that but I did notice when I cleared out an area there was gaps of non dungeon for seemingly no reason
wild bluff
i filled all gaps with unsafe walls but it still spawned cavern enemies instead of counting as dungeon
earnest raptor
blame vanilla I think&
distant gyro
that's because you need to meet the complementary 250 bricks requirement
wild bluff
lol fair enough
earnest raptor
I mean, have you seen item animation code?
wild bluff
I just remember a rev ranger playthrough and i just couldn't beat the boss, it was just way too fast with way too high damage
silver silo
no but I'm assuming its spaghetti
earnest raptor
it's redcode
silver silo
wild bluff
no, but the reason partially is
anyway do i fix it or, what happens now?
wild bluff
alright thanks
obsidian cove
That might be better as a separate mod
distant gyro
wait
hollow shell
I'm surprised we don't have something for the Boss Rush in here
(that is, if we don't)
distant gyro
@vocal grotto wasn't this done in 1.5 (mod calls integrating bosses into BR)
hollow shell
distant gyro
I forgot what mod calls were added
custom death effects in BR is one of them I think
frozen hornet
Custom death effects? 
earnest raptor
Yeah, your supreme calamitas will morph into dragon to keep experience smooth.
exotic stag
wait can you summon more then one dummy
cause if so that negates literally the entire sugg
celest notch
Then you summon one on top
grim tusk
Not entirely
celest notch
And there would be 2
grim tusk
4 dummies = more hitboxes = inflated dmg
celest notch
Yeah if there’s explosions or aoe things the dps will be much higher
grim tusk
This is why you test on bosses
vocal grotto
<@!564267767042277385> wasn't this done in 1.5 (mod calls integrating bosses int...
Yes
Other modders can much, much more easily mess with BR stuff next update
grim tusk
You test weapon and practice boss
celest notch
And testing on an earlier one could just kill it too fast to see dps
grim tusk
Absolute win
grim tusk
And some have multiple hitboxes
Ravager and Worms
celest notch
One of the suggestions in the voting made me think of it
exotic stag
Since you of course could die
yeah but late game bosses also dont usually get consumed
celest notch
So it could just be added as per of that
celest notch
yeah but late game bosses also dont usually get consumed
But it could kill you before you have enough time to test
And you could have a buff where you have more damage while standing still
Which makes you prone to death
exotic stag
But it could kill you before you have enough time to test
well your technically testing it for that boss
so you should still use that boss
celest notch
What if it dies to quickly to see the dps
exotic stag
it?
celest notch
And pre dog could just kill you quickly
celest notch
Yeah
If you have a weapon that deal 30k+ dps the pumpkin moon bosses die too quickly
exotic stag
thats when you test it on the endgame bosses
or the latest boss in the boss list that you can fight
celest notch
What if you wanna test dps standing still and yharon just kills you too quickly
exotic stag
then you go fight an earlier boss thats still endgame
celest notch
Plus they have DR
exotic stag
like say provi cause provi has inaccuracy
celest notch
My suggestion could be added to config
It doesn’t seem too hard to code
But of course I don’t know
hollow shell
Other modders can much, much more easily mess with BR stuff next update
@whole stag ^
whole stag
👌
hollow shell
@deft yew "few people actually fight Old Duke, or the abyss enemies for that matter" sounds pretty subjective
OD has something of a reputation for being out-of-the-way and very difficult, so people may not go for him
but not the Abyss minibosses, not afaik at least
deft yew
fair
i just see a good number of people leaving the abyss alone bc it’s kinda painful, and fishing feels cheap to me
grim tusk
yea people dont fight him cuz of difficulty, grind and low reward
1.5 will fix these problems though (Bloodworms being far easier to get and OD's drops being usable on Yharon)
hollow shell
Wait hang on
deft yew
Easier to predict his actions, which leads to a very cool fight dynamic where you and the boss try to read each other’s minds
hollow shell
What are the "Lower Abyss fishing drops" that you're referring to?
grim tusk
He prob refers to reaper teeth in abyssal crates
hollow shell
But that's just Reaper Teeth, right?
You can't get any of the weapon drops
It's 'drop', singular
deft yew
Ah
hollow shell
and, probably should be mentioned directly instead of implied
deft yew
would it be possible to put the weapon drops in the crates too, if the sugg happens?
fossil finch
Aren't rt in abyss crate also post od next update or i am hallucinating
deft yew
that kinda feels cheap tho
hollow shell
Aren't rt in abyss crate also post od next update or i am hallucinating
I do not know
fossil finch
I swear i remember something like that
deft yew
ima try and scan the search real quick
hollow shell
I couldn't find anything in changelogs or dev server
deft yew
oh i found smth
in #calamity-update-talk Altix said reaper teeth are post-OD from crates
so nvm ima delete my sugg
should have searched first, but thanks y’all!
deft yew
on second thought that may not be authoritative
altix is not a dev and changelogs say nothing about it
I’ll just have to wait then?
short walrus
However he is a beta tester
deft yew
yes
hollow shell
Let me check the development sourcecode
Yep, can confirm
Altix was right
You need to have both Polter and OD killed in order for Reaper Teeth to drop from crates
(cuz OD can be fought before Polter in 1.5)
tardy smelt
@grim tusk minor spelling mistake
you'll probably want to fix that. Other than that good sugg
tardy smelt
truetrue
fossil finch
... doesn't the projectile fade in already suffice for this
ripe owl
You are fully focused on BH
You never know when exactly it will end
So you never know when exactly you can rush into a projectile
fossil finch
Except you do know?
They all last a fixed amount of time
And they all last the same amount of time
ripe owl
You never know when exactly it will end
And you actually don't give a damn because you are focused on bh
Not on the time
fossil finch
Same
Usually i just stay still as i see the bh starts fading out and then start dodging what comes at me
fossil finch
This place is literally for discussing suggs and therefore to talk about their flaws
ripe owl
Okay
Time for the best argument ever AKA my nohit attempt
Today I got to 10% only once
And I died right after thr BH
Because SCal dashed into me immediately after
I knew that she would dash
But my mind was focused on BH
How am I supposed to change my focus from one to another immediately
And I bet that there is more than one guy like me
crude geode
You never know when exactly it will end
You know there’s a timer in game, both in wire form to flash lights on and off every five seconds, and in the form of platinum watch that literally everyone has.
ripe owl
Hm
Good idea but
But the fuck what you dumbass
I'm gonna leave the sugg in case if someone actually will find it good
dapper coral
what
crude geode
Insulting people doesn’t make the criticism of your suggestion go away. It’s simply rude.
dapper coral
can we not be rude to each other please
dapper coral
then stay out of these channels, don't bring that self-deprecating nonsense here
eternal escarp
but i feel like you should atleast mention the ideas above, and explain why they arent as good of a solution compared to your suggestion
ripe owl
Thank you
eternal escarp
you dont really need to add the "thanks blast" because the devs dont have context for this channel most of the time but youre welcome
ripe owl
whatever
eternal escarp
ashen warren
You never know when exactly it will end
If you use music cues you can, or after a while of attempting her you should just know when it ends from experience
You have plenty of chances to make sure you're falling before it ends so anything she does misses you
It adds more depth to the fight than simply dodging by making you keep track of time as well
You also know what she will do as soon as it ends so you shouldn't be getting caught out by her doing something unexpected
You can also use the gigablast explosion sounds to know when it ends
Plenty of ways to make sure you're ready