suggestions-discussion

[grim tusk]

this is probably due to either the dmg bonus that enemies have towards you, and lack of reliable healing until later in the game

or

that people still think IH is hardcore like in almost 2 years ago

I'd say we could combine two suggs on this matter:
#suggestions-voting message No lifesteal
#suggestions-voting message higher chance of enemies dropping hp pickups

this would fix lifesteal making the mode trivial and allow more arsenal varieties rather than get as much lifesteal as possible, would allow better use of the "[effect] under certain % of hp" items, and will give a more consistent method of healing in this mode

as well as removing or reducing the bonus dmg on the player to increase the effectiveness of defensive accessories on this mode, specially on the early game

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell is it ok if I mention previous, old suggestions?

[hollow shell]

Not really recommended but I suppose it would work if you linked them

(Iron Heart keeping lifesteal is a part of its design)

(But I guess you can disagree with the intentional design)

[grim tusk]

well my sugg was pretty much combining what these 2 suggestions ask for

Make iron heart disable lifesteal and healing items and give an increased chance for enemies to drop hp hearts and reduce the minimum dmg boost to compensate
Most of the player base does not use it due to how unappealing it is; to the point that people still think its the one from 2 years ago. Currently the the majority of the players use the difficulty use it alongside armaggedon either for bragging rights or to abuse items that have effects under certain thresholds of hp such as Old Duke's Scales and Necklace of vexation during fights.
Outside of these cases, the difficulty encourages to min max, either for dmg due to how quickly the player dies thanks to the minimum dmg and no healing (and many defensive accessories playing around regeneration) or get as much lifesteal or healing effects as possible via gear (such as vampiric talisman, rare sand elemental, profaned soul artifact or spectre hood armor) or using weapons with the effect. This creates and extremely rough early game and a semi-trivial late game.

Solutions have been proposed to address these problems

(still WIP)

[hollow shell]

"and reduce the minimum dmg boost to compensate" makes the title line kinda busy
You could address it in the reasoning instead

[grim tusk]

alr

Make iron heart disable lifesteal and give an increased chance for enemies to drop hp pickups
Most of the player base does not use it due to how unappealing it is; to the point that people still think its the one from 2 years ago. Currently the the majority of the players use the difficulty use it alongside armaggedon either for bragging rights or to abuse items that have effects under certain thresholds of hp such as Old Duke's Scales and Necklace of vexation during fights.
Outside of these cases, the difficulty encourages to min max, either for dmg due to how quickly the player dies thanks to the minimum dmg and no healing (and many defensive accessories playing around regeneration (which is disabled) such as Sponge and its components) or get as much lifesteal effects as possible via gear (such as vampiric talisman, or spectre hood armor) or using weapons with the effect. This creates and extremely rough early game and a semi-trivial late game.

Shifting the focus from lifesteal to health pickups would give a more reliable way to heal

will continue to edit after lunch on mobile probably but gotta shut down my pc

[hollow shell]

"Reliable" is an interesting word to use

It would definitely be better early game

but it would make some bosses very difficult

[grim tusk]

I will expand on that part, how bout making bosses occasionally drop hearts?

Oh and speaking of lifesteal effects, rogue gets a huge headstart (Bloodstained glove is the first lifesteal equipment, however it sucks, but is still there) and the best lifesteal effects (vamp talisman)

Meanwhile other classes have to wait longer to get a reliable way to regain hp, this seems sort of unfair

[frosty ivy]

Wait so I have to write a paragraph for a suggestion

english class flashbacks

[lean bone]

not just a paragraph, an entire essay about why you want it in (joke)

[frosty ivy]

oh hey I remember you

from motherland

[lean bone]

??

[frosty ivy]

the main terraria server

[lean bone]

oh

hi

[frosty ivy]

yo

yeah I don't know how I'd put it into a paragraph

[wooden wedge]

what's your suggestion, even?

[lean bone]

you SHOULD be fine if you just explain why you want it in

[frosty ivy]

I was fighting a boss from another mod that's supposed to be fought in the snow biome, but it enraged when I was in the astral snow biome

maybe make it so calamity counts that as a snow biome variant

cause the owner of that mod said there's nothing he could do about it

[wooden wedge]

that doesn't really sound like an issue for this mod

just make an artificial snow biome

[frosty ivy]

[wooden wedge]

the easiest and most simple solution for your problem is already in the game

[frosty ivy]

I guess
but the only problem is that I'm lazy

[wooden wedge]

and you think coding in a very specific thing for your incredibly specific issue would be easier ?

just make a snow biome

[obsidian cove]

I think Fargo’s soul mod let’s fountains change biomes

[wooden wedge]

it won't even take 5 minutes

[lean bone]

i have a suggestion idea but idk if i should suggest it as the reason is weak

its just to add atmosphere to the boss rush (aka add effects to the boss rush)

[wooden wedge]

there's effects for boss rush next update

iirc

[lean bone]

does it involve solar pillar sky and screen shake

is it config

[lean bone]

oh

[obsidian cove]

Insanely cool

Wonder what that might be

[lean bone]

the game freezes on stage 2

[obsidian cove]

It’s example mods screen shader

[lean bone]

thats how cool it could be

[obsidian cove]

The real battle in terreria is your cpu versus bad code

[grim tusk]

Would write more but

[gray nebula]

yetanotherquirkydifficultymodetm

[grim tusk]

™️

[keen zealot]

@surreal drum you want an early bookcase and didn't bother to check the vanilla wiki to see if there was already a recipe?

20 wood

10 books

sawmill

this sugg is irrelevant

[crude geode]

@keen zealot This is their problem, and was discussed earlier

[keen zealot]

why is the sugg still up then

[crude geode]

Ask a mod, not the suggestor.

[wooden wedge]

honestly

It'd probably work if they sugged that books get a crafting recipe

that and I don't think they were pinged with exact criticism of their sugg (?)

[grim tusk]

It was criticized and discussed here but no one pinged

[ashen warren]

oh btw your suggestion could actually make the game more hellish

gud idea

[golden kayak]

Make iron heart disable all healing except Nurse and Hermits Box to be honest

[grim tusk]

Was suggested before but #suggestions-voting message
People just did not like that

[silver silo]

N*rse...

[grim tusk]

What i did in my sugg is to try to apease both sides, those who want healing in the mode and those who dont

And also not make early game IH be cbt

[golden kayak]

Understandable to be honest, it's just that heartdrops are a thing that drops from bosses quite a bit in prehm, defeating the point (ofc my understanding of iron hearts point can be wrong)

Having a reliable way to heal during farming does sound like a decent idea, I have to admit.

[grim tusk]

Hearts drop only after boss fights or from minions during boss fights atm

[golden kayak]

Boomstick search when my only weapon was paint gun was kinda cbt

[golden kayak]

Creepers, DS worms, EoW, some other thingies
They are there, not an overwhelming amount, but they are there.

[crude geode]

maybe uh make it so that lifesteal is more prevalent in the mode instead with more items? considering the whole reference is hollow knight's soul mechanic (hitting enemies to gain soul that lets you heal)

[golden kayak]

Doesnt that make iron heart kinda useless

Or annoying, rather

Rn iron heart for the most part sets the amount of hits you can take during a bossfight to a certain amount, which makes stalling a fight more difficult and less rewarding

Which is very cool, it's a nice way to step up the difficulty without majorly fucking you unlike BaC, Defiled and Det breaker

[grim tusk]

Yea people dont like the healing in IH

[crude geode]

idk, I'm talking as an outsider who has never used iron heart, because it just doesn't offer anything to me. I've done revengeance because it's the standard mode for calamity, and death because it's a challenge that offers dopamine as a reward. Iron Heart as it stands just doesn't offer anything really new when compared to Defiled. If I wanted to only take a certain amount of hits, I might as well just no-hit at that point.

[grim tusk]

Yea thats the main issue

Specially on the early game

On the early game it sucks ass due to no reliable way to heal

Lategame you go: haha vampiric talisman + empyrean knives go brrr

I tried rev iron heart and quitted very early on due to how bs it was, then did some lategame bosses on that difficulty

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message i would have added something similar to this sugg but character limit

[crude geode]

changing the way you heal doesn't particularly matter if the mode doesn't offer anything to the player tbh. With death mode or no-hitting it's a clear challenge that you feel accomplished for overcoming. Meanwhile with Iron Heart it's sort of a challenge but is much less enticing than death mode or no-hitting since it just makes exploration a massive pain, while also providing some challenge in boss fights.

[grim tusk]

Well healing from killing enemies outside of bosses is far more reliable than waiting to get lifesteal

Thats the main issue, it relies so heavily on lifesteal. Making the mode centered around that and not fun, making early game a complete pain in the ass and lategame boring

People would just use IH alongside armaggedon since its also not that rewarding on its own. And you get to abuse necklace of vexation (and OD scales) on nohits

[crude geode]

The problem is that it's centered around lifesteal without any early game additions to make it better, and an imbalance in classes, as you said

It's really not unlikely to even change other regen related accessories to have effects in iron heart related to lifesteal, in a similar vein to what they did with deathmode and heat/cold resists

supporting the gimmick of the difficulty by adding on to already existing accessories, and not even having to make new sprites for a separate game difficulty

[golden kayak]

Iron heart makes it more difficult for the sake of it being more difficult. It won't be as noticable as death, but usually more difficult feats mean more dopamine or whatever, someone just enjoys a challenge, and iron heart surely might solve a skill issue or two that you might have.

It makes early prehm and early hm annoying and that is not a good thing obviously.

[grim tusk]

This would make the meta there even more centralized

People would just go to use these accs out of necessesity

Rather than being able to use different setups

Death mode at least mitigates the problem by allowing other stuff than accs also help towards the issue

[golden kayak]

Or actively avoid them if they do not want healing

[grim tusk]

But you’d still have lifesteal from the other sources and the problem remains

[golden kayak]

I am not saying that lifesteal is good on existing items either

[crude geode]

and removing lifesteal entirely wouldn’t centralize on high defense, or exclusively low health/glass cannon builds? Considering the fact that there isn’t anything else?

Also more items can be added even, if the difficulty mode was to be supported in this way. Such as in Hollow Knight where you can take faster regen, or slower but more powerful regen.

[grim tusk]

Thats where the enemies and bosses dropping hp pickups comes in

[golden kayak]

Can we please make it enemies and bosses

[grim tusk]

Read the second and shorter paragraph of my sugg

[crude geode]

How do you have bosses occasionally drop hearts during boss fights

[grim tusk]

I wish that disc didnt had character limit but anyways, what i though was to make em drop a bunch of hearts after receiving a certain amount of dmg

[golden kayak]

I did, I just disagree with IH having healing during bossfight overall.
Having a reliable way to heal during farming sounds amazing.

[golden kayak]

Bloodflare armor makes that happen, doesnt it?

[grim tusk]

^

[crude geode]

Yes it does, but it feels very inconsistent

[grim tusk]

I think that for disabling every form of healing at all would be more fitting for a toggle-able items like Ball and Chain

[crude geode]

Yeah, because it’s kinda the whole point of the reference, to reference hollow knight’s mechanic. If you want to disable healing during boss fights, then you need to remove the reference (something I’m half expecting at this point, but would still be disappointed by) or a different item.

[grim tusk]

The problem would be how would you justify a sugg for that

[golden kayak]

The point of the mechanic is not a reference I don't think
It takes inspiration

[grim tusk]

Cuz IH aint just no healing, but also more dmg received

[grim tusk]

hp masks

[golden kayak]

They look nice

Just revert IH back to the previous form problem solved

[crude geode]

Isn’t there already a reliable way of healing when farming bosses cuz of heart drops?

When the boss dies?

[grim tusk]

But not during fights

Until like post-ML

When you can just summon a pre-hm boss, oneshot it and heal with it

[crude geode]

Wacky

[golden kayak]

But yea inbetween bossfights if you are farming bosses and do not get hit too much you technically can heal during boss farming. It's not a reliable way to heal or anything, but good enough to keep your health at an amount when you can take a hit or two on yout next kill.

I referred to farming as in going underground though, to gather materials.

[grim tusk]

Imagine nohitting

[crude geode]

consistent
suggestion is about a chance of getting hearts from enemies
Checks out

[grim tusk]

Hmm yes being inmortal with zerg potion

Also lifesteal was already inconsistent as hell

Specially with the increased cooldown on higher difficulties

And bloodstained glove line’s lifesteal being shitty

Or mana polarizer straight up forcing you to be attacking

[crude geode]

The only inconsistent lifesteal jank I’ve realistically noticed is with illustrious knives tbh but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[golden kayak]

You usually farm bosses with gear past that boss so that is more realistic

[crude geode]

I just feel as though completely disabling lifesteal isn’t really connected to Iron Heart, and would rather see regen items changed to lifesteal, with more support added for rough portions such as early hm and pre-boss. The suggestion is valid tbh, this is realistically just personal complaints with it

[golden kayak]

I wish that disc didnt had character limit but anyways, what i though was to make em drop a bunch of hearts after receiving a certain amount of dmg

[grim tusk]

Pretty much iron heart being bad #suggestions-discussion message

[crude geode]

Referring to the chance of hearts dropping from enemies in the suggestion being a consistent form of healing.

[grim tusk]

Where I said it was consistent anyways
I said it would be more consistent than lifesteal, which is inconsistent

[cobalt pewter]

Give Iron Heart mode SOUL bar

[grim tusk]

@pallid hull no reasoning provided, also abyss regens water cuz of funny vanilla bugs deleting water and having it to fill up again and ambience

[crude geode]

Misread, apologies. Still, if it’s only a chance instead of something like every other enemy drops a heart it still makes it luck based. But again, personal complaints, the sugg seems fine.

also for fuck’s sake can we rename empyrean knives

[grim tusk]

Can we rename empyrean armor

[golden kayak]

We ended up discussing the purpose of IH more than anything

I will ask Fab about his vision on the difficulty mode when I have a chance

To adjust my expectations of it

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Are you aware of what the vision is for Iron Heart as a difficulty mode (also nice status)

[hollow shell]

I do not know what the long-term plan is for Iron Heart, no

[distant gyro]

Iron Heart is just there

[hollow shell]

or

whatever you just asked

[silver silo]

since you guys are here, just lettin you know theres two 200+ sugg

[golden kayak]

I agree that is should not have new healing related items though, I do not think anything past rev should have new major items nor do I agree with IH being a mode that changes playstyle (to be lifesteal dependant or something)

[crude geode]

Defiled Rune with balloons:

[golden kayak]

It being a difficulty increase that makes fights not easily stallable (is that a word?) is what I find very cool tho

[royal tapir]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[golden kayak]

stalling a fight is less rewarding and more difficult

That is what I mean

You cannot just try your hardest/run away to regen health back and possibly get adrenaline in the meantime

Photosynthesis and The Camper suit that a lot in the base game for example

[crude geode]

Dictionaries are for cowards who don’t use words that are understandable yet not recognized as real

[royal tapir]

idk supercalifragilisticexpialidocious or something

Also I was thinking of an idea, but I forgor

[silver silo]

💀

[royal tapir]

Oh yeah

Why does Obsidian Skull not give heat immunity?

[crude geode]

Do you want immunities to be even more free?

Because that would cause all of the shield line to become heat immune

[royal tapir]

I mean, tbh I just feel like it doesn't make sense not to have it, 🤷

It gives immunity to a bunch of other stuff that's heat-related

Why not heat immunity?

[sleek wadi]

Could keep it locked to obsidian skull, it'd feel bad but you could. Thats also an issue with deathmode environmental shit only really hampering early game

[royal tapir]

I mean, yeah

[crude geode]

It gives immunity to standing on hot blocks. It doesn’t give immunity to the fiery pits of lava, or the burn effect.

[royal tapir]

Just counted, only 8 items in pre-Hardmode give heat immunity

[sleek wadi]

Obsidian Skull itself doesn't see much use as far as I know, tends to get absorbed into cobalt shield or lava waders immediately so it could give the item merits to use as-is

[crude geode]

I mean

[royal tapir]

I mean, tbf that is a heat-related immunity

[sleek wadi]

Obsidian skull needs hellforge right?

[royal tapir]

Not sure actually

No, it uses Furnace

[sleek wadi]

That might cause some issues by making heat protection too easy as you can always just bomb obsidian but I'm not sure how fast you can get heat protection currently

[royal tapir]

Fastest way to get heat immunity currently is Frost Barrier from Traveling Merchant

[crude geode]

Mhm

Which is why environmental effects suck ass currently, it’s a all or nothing thing. Either you have something on that protects you, or you get insta-gibbed.

[royal tapir]

And then most of the other pre-hardmode heat immunity items require visiting the Underworld

[sleek wadi]

Theres obsidian skin potion which you can get with blood orbs. Actually yeah I'm seeing the merits of obsidian skull heat protection

You are dedicating a whole slot to it in pre-hm which eats 3 slots JUST for movement

[royal tapir]

I see where you're going with this, and I kinda like that, though I'm not sure how it could work with the way temperature effects work currently

[crude geode]

You make it like the abyss varying levels of protection

But alas that suggestion died at 150

[royal tapir]

[sleek wadi]

Obsidian skull should provide heat protection to give players a semi-reliable permanent means of heat protection in pre-HM. Lock it to the skull and not upgrades to not make it totally free. Also gives skull some use as its own thing rather than just being made to craft into shield

A TL;DR of what a sugg like this would contain

[crude geode]

I think it's actually valid to just say give obsidian skull heat immunity, in the current state of the game

that said imma repost

[royal tapir]

tbh, I actually do like it just locking it to the SKull

Also why does Frost Barrier even give heat immunity anyway lmao

[sleek wadi]

So chilly it cancels out the heat

[royal tapir]

Too chill for you

[crude geode]

why does magma stone give both heat and cold immunity?

[royal tapir]

Also a valid point

[sleek wadi]

'Cause if it didn't provide heat immunity you'd light yourself on fire holding the thing which would also be pretty funny

[crude geode]

I personally feel like dual-immunities should be locked to late hm or post ml, or like legendary gear like cold divinity's buff

[royal tapir]

Obviously Frost Barrier is the #1 problem out of the dual immunities

[crude geode]

indeed

[royal tapir]

Molten armor also gives dual immunity

[crude geode]

I like how many varied items give cold or heat immunity, I just dislike that so many of them don't matter because you just slap on a frost barrier or some other dual immunity item and ignore everything. It's like if you could simply slap on a abyssal diving gear and survive in the abyss forever.
(Also the fact that bosses don't get attacks that relate to certain environmental effects, such as duke fishron not getting anything to do with sharknados or brimstone getting a lava pillar attack, is a major missed opportunity).

[sleek wadi]

Okay so invincible, the buff that comes from purified jam, provides cold immunity but not heat immunity

[royal tapir]

Same with Molten buff

[sleek wadi]

omw to use one of my limited consumables for 10 seconds of hanging out in a blizzard

[crude geode]

I'm fine with the varied amount of items that give immunity, it's just that there's no point to using them because there's like three easily accessible dual-immunity items in pre-hm that just mean you're wasting slots.

[royal tapir]

Could also remove Frost Barrier from Traveling Merchant

Or make it locked behind a certain point in progression

[sleek wadi]

Frost barrier already drops from ice clasper don't it? Could keep it HM

[royal tapir]

Yeah

[crude geode]

~~ah yes farming a 10% drop from ice claspers ~~

[royal tapir]

Stuff that increases spawn rates moment

[sleek wadi]

Well its that or wait on the damn merchant to show up

[crude geode]

yep

traveling merchant moment

[royal tapir]

But he always sells it on a Full Moon

[sleek wadi]

That doesn't really help because his spawn in the first place isn't reliable

[royal tapir]

So if you find one, you could technically keep him on screen until a Full Moon, right?

[crude geode]

yep

or use cosmolight

[royal tapir]

Well, if you have Cosmolight, you also have access to Ice Claspers

[crude geode]

yeah but with cosmolight as soon as one merchant shows up I get a frost barrier.

[royal tapir]

I do think though that it could be smart to maybe lock the Frost Barrier behind Hardmode or something, and make it only give cold immunity

[crude geode]

mhm, dual immunities just need to be nerfed in general, but that's something that would come with improving death mode's environmental effects

[royal tapir]

Maybe two tiers of immunity? I don't see how one could fit three tiers
No immunity, partial immunity, full immunity or something

Tier 0, 1, 2

And upgraded items/stuff further in progression could have the full immunity

[crude geode]

I'm thinking more something like the abyss breath mechanics, possibly with the fact you can't fully negate certain effects, though maybe not.

[royal tapir]

If they were to make it so it's impossible to get full negation, they'd probably have to rework Heat Exhaustion though
Those debuffs can be

[crude geode]

where each thing contributes a certain amount of value, and that value calculating debuffs/health loss/whatever you wanna adjust the insta-gib mechanics from

[sleek wadi]

Full negation should still remain a thing, not every biome should be an abyss

[royal tapir]

You know what, I take back what I said before, I could see three tiers working

[crude geode]

up to the devs how the complexity is implemented, realistically, I just want more than you do not die instantly or you cannot enter this area bc you didn't luck out and get a frost barrier

[oak meteor]

oof auric toilet change didn't pass

[distant gyro]

toilet suggestions have a pretty shitty approval rate

[cobalt pewter]

Toilet suggestions are of a pretty shitty quality

[lean bone]

hey mods

a nitro scam

[dapper coral]

yeet

[oak meteor]

baa dumm tss

[brazen bramble]

mix

[oak meteor]

so if your suggestion has a thumbs up that just means that devs looked at it and voted yes for it but doesnt mean it iwll be added? or?

[dapper coral]

correct

[oak meteor]

ok

[dapper coral]

the devs basically said "yes this seems like a good idea" but it's not a guarantee

[lean bone]

yeah correct

[oak meteor]

Okay cool just wanted to clarify despite the pin msg

[dapper coral]

[oak meteor]

so i mainly just gotta wait for the tool emoji since that means its on to do list, cool

[lean bone]

this suggestion radiates "it would be funny" vibes ngl

[eternal escarp]

@quartz elbow yeah these suggs are a nono basically

[quartz elbow]

Oh my bad

Should I remove it?

[eternal escarp]

seeing as theres no way you can get a real reason for this

yeah

[quartz elbow]

Aight, thanks

[eternal escarp]

i recommend for the donts FaQ

[quartz elbow]

I can’t find any problem with this in the FAQ. I think I’ll post it again soon

[lean bone]

there is

it has no reasoning

[quartz elbow]

The reason is that it’s funny

[lean bone]

thats not a valid reason

[quartz elbow]

Which the FAQ doesn’t seem to have a problem with

[lean bone]

it does

it'll be funny is a similar unsubstantial statement

[quartz elbow]

This is under bad suggestion practices, not list of things you shouldn’t suggest

[lean bone]

you still shouldn't suggest it

[wooden wedge]

still means your sugg won't go to voting

[distant gyro]

the entire doc is called don'ts for a reason

technically frequently suggested could be breaking absolutely none of the rules, but it's still so frequently suggested that it's never going to change anything

so it's a don't in itself too

[lean bone]

its not called dont's but the 2nd part is things you shouldnt do but you can

for a reason

[distant gyro]

most of them that is

you can get rightfully punished by posting a joke suggestion

as in actual server punishment, not just your suggestion being deleted

[lean bone]

i had another idea for a suggestion

its more items like the defiled feather

so something that removes move speed buffs or jump buffs to add more customisation to the challenges people can do

because its common knowledge that defiled rune is turning into a feather and only affecting wing time now

is that a good idea?

[oak meteor]

well theres one that prevents running i think

chain on a ball

[lean bone]

thats a decrease, not a complete stop so you can only go the default speed

[wooden wedge]

ok

[fossil finch]

faq literally does not need updating
Bad suggestions practices are bad because you shouldn't do them

[quartz elbow]

This is not a joke suggestion

[lean bone]

sounds like it

[wooden wedge]

@quartz elbow the doc is called suggestion "don'ts"

[lean bone]

its such a minor change aswell

[wooden wedge]

not "bad suggestion practices"

[quartz elbow]

Alright. You are a mod, so I won’t argue it. Do you want me to remove my suggestion?

[wooden wedge]

if you want to
I already ❗ d it so it's not going to voting

but you really shouldn't post a joke sugg like this again.

[quartz elbow]

Alright, I’ll leave it in there, because I think the last paragraph still stands

[wooden wedge]

pretty sure it doesn't...

[distant gyro]

that's like trying to find a loophole

[wooden wedge]

bad suggestion practices are bad because they're a don't

[distant gyro]

it doesn't work that way

[quartz elbow]

I understood joke suggestions as suggestions that are themselves a joke, not suggesting a joke to be added

[fossil finch]

something about the upcoming content sugg paradox yet still not

[gray nebula]

no

bad sugg

[gray nebula]

_ _

[exotic stag]

(indeed)

[hollow shell]

@lean bone Upcoming content suggs are disallowed, it's still Defiled Rune in the public release. You can rewrite it to refer to Ball And Chain instead, or you can hold onto your suggestion for when 1.5 comes out.

[lean bone]

ok

ill hold on until 1.5

[hollow shell]

👍

[lean bone]

actually ill just do the 2nd option

edited it not include defiled feather

is it good enough now?

[hollow shell]

You should prolly mention Ball And Chain earlier so that people know what kind of item you're talking about

[lean bone]

oh

[hollow shell]

(Ball And Chain also isn't exactly meant to be a challenge item, it's meant for precise movement during building or tight fights like Scal, so you don't accidentally dash with repeated taps.
But, Defiled Feather is meant purely for challenge.
So, I suppose it's fine to treat Ball n Chain like a challenge item considering you cannot mention Defiled Feather)

[lean bone]

oh

[hollow shell]

And one last thing
If you could come up with more reasoning for the sugg, that would be good. atm it boils down to "increase challenge" and "why not", which are not exactly strong

[lean bone]

the main reason was to add more variety and make certain challenges possible without having to use another mod

but that isnt the strongest (like you said) so ill try think of more

[hollow shell]

👍

[tranquil perch]

@grim tusk I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move

[lean bone]

i also agree with that

[tranquil perch]

btw @sly crystal calamities' vanities is gonna add that into their mod I think

[lean bone]

already added iirc

[crystal cedar]

yep

actually it hasn't been added yet but the sprite's done

[ashen warren]

I think it would be cool to eventually have an option to turn on calamity-like sprites for vanilla bosses.

[wooden wedge]

#info calamity texture pack server

[grim tusk]

Thats what CTP is for

[ashen warren]

Can you use it with modded?

[lean bone]

yes

[wooden wedge]

..yeah

[ashen warren]

How?

[wooden wedge]

go to the texture pack server

find out there

[lean bone]

https://discordapp.com/invite/rfTsVwC link

join the server

[ashen warren]

Yeah I just joined.

[lean bone]

it has modded folder in it

oh

[ashen warren]

I'm looking for the right download.

[ashen warren]

How long does it take for a suggestion once it reaches the star req, to get sent to the dev server?

[fossil finch]

once a mod sees it

[grim tusk]

Once a mod or Atlix sees it

[ashen warren]

Ok.

[grim tusk]

Is there any CD that sends suggs into dev anyways?

[ashen warren]

CD?

[grim tusk]

Cool dude

[ashen warren]

Ok.

Don't know.

[fossil finch]

can cds do that

and, probably no

[dapper coral]

any tester can do it

if they so wish

most don't because yes

[ashen warren]

Will it always eventually get delivered?

[grim tusk]

Most of the time

[gusty geode]

I like what that Iron Heart sugg is going for but I have a little trouble taking it seriously cuz it just forgets hearts exist
Unless I'm the idiot and IH currently disables heart drops

[fossil finch]

it is literally sugging for that though

for bosses and enemies to drop more heart drops

[gusty geode]

It makes it sound as if they don't drop them at all, is what I'm saying

[grim tusk]

Read second paragraph again

Also bosses dont drop hearts during the fight

Otherwise i would have placed increased chance on the title

[hollow shell]

@lyric vale I'm having a very hard time trying to understand your suggestion's reason

[fossil finch]

"It's annoying when i use items i don't want to while mining" basically

[hollow shell]

okay, so
The issue is that the excavator requires the left mouse button to be held while mining, and this can cause you to place blocks if you have them in your hand and in range to place them down?

[fossil finch]

Apparently

[safe oasis]

i see the problem, i just don't think it's explained very well

[hollow shell]

And this is a problem when you 1. have blocks in your hand and not weapons, and 2. you placed them in an area where you didn't want a block

Okay I see the reasoning now

[safe oasis]

also consistency between dcu and other mounts that require left click inputs

[hollow shell]

It could be explained a little better I think

The reason could use some punctuation perhaps

[hot zephyr]

okay I know it's a meme but the Soul Edge suggestion is hilarious

[hollow shell]

Oh god damn it

When I first read that, I thought it was Solstice Claymore

That would have made sense

Soul Edge makes no sense to have that change whatsoever

I'm double ❗ing it

[hot zephyr]

Also Curve Flattening...

[lyric vale]

I keep placing blocks down and then I have to stop to remine the block then I get attack then I have to exit the excavator to be able to dodge attacks and kill what's attacking me this way if I can't place anything while it's active I don't have to stop and manually mine or remine it saves a lot of time rather than spending hours remining a block because it's the same button to mine as it is to place and there's no alternate option for changing how to activate the mount.

[hollow shell]

this is yet another run-on sentence with no punctuation

but uh

1. why not just hold a weapon, you should totally have one in your hotbar at all times
2. why do you care about a few misplaced blocks if you're making a very long horizontal tunnel with Onyx?

[hollow shell]

You could add this to your sugg
iirc DCU does not let you use the item you are holding while you're in the mount

Correct me if I'm wrong

[royal tapir]

Yeah, no, DCU disables using items with left click while it is active
I think there's some weird cases where you can use an item and then mount the DCU while still using the item, but you won't be able to mine
Yoyos, for example

[silver silo]

any feedback from the devs on the last two delivered sugg

[distant gyro]

After 2 days the vote results will be counted to add [Approved] and [Rejected] to the suggestion along with the proper formatting.

The suggestions are delivered 22 hours ago

[silver silo]

[distant gyro]

@full thistle

1. As of 1.4.5.1 and onwards, this is already implemented
2. Aside from not being relevant, the item that automatically stores money into a Piggy Bank isn't even from Calamity. The most popular form of it is added by Luiafk called "Money Collector"

[full thistle]

Oh really? I thought it was a calamity item, I could've sworn that's what came up on WMITF

[frozen hornet]

@frank viper weapon suggestions are not allowed

[frank viper]

ok ill delete it then

[eternal escarp]

also, suggestions require reasoning and a description

byeah

i recommend reading the sugg doc

[frank viper]

i know i just accedently lifted my finger off shift

[frank viper]

can i post a boss suggestion?

[eternal escarp]

have you read the document?

(no)

[frank viper]

i did but i didnt see anything

but i did find this

[eternal escarp]

litterally on the first page

try using ctrl + f to search for keywords

[frank viper]

ok

[crude geode]

@wicked dirge Chlorophyte: hm yes I will be used for plantera and nothing else

[eternal escarp]

hallowed armor: hm yes ill not exist

necro, jungle, meteor, molten, shadowscale..

together with ore armors

crimson

[wicked dirge]

most of the time you just skip those tho

[eternal escarp]

you can theoretically also skip post ML armors aswell

[wicked dirge]

yeah

[crude geode]

Silva is honestly skippable tbh, even tho it’s an upgrade

Similar to Chlorophyte

[eternal escarp]

besides, silva and godslayer are becoming counterparts now rather then 2 different armor tiers

[wicked dirge]

i just find it funny you use god slayer for 1/2 a boss

[eternal escarp]

so that helps with your request

also, boss count doesnt really, mean much

tarragon is used for 4
3 of them are at the same tier of progression

its like saying "this weapon is busted because it works for all 6 early-HM bosses"

[crude geode]

Also like profaned nuggets can hardly be considered a boss lol

[wicked dirge]

thing is, most of these armors are for all classes

so there's not much variety

[eternal escarp]

thats a diff issue

[crude geode]

Indeed

[eternal escarp]

and on that front i agree

[wicked dirge]

you're probably gonna be using the same armor progression every time post ml

[eternal escarp]

theres too many multi class armors in post ml

[wicked dirge]

tru

[eternal escarp]

theres obly lunar armors and Prismatic to break that

abd fearmobger, maybe

[wicked dirge]

vanilla hm summon, for example, goes spider, tiki, spooky

more gaps

[eternal escarp]

well summoners armor progression is like

the most unique

byeah

[crude geode]

It doesn’t really help that auric Tesla and other armor sets differentiating set bonus suck balls when compared to the lunar sets

(That said, better than vanilla)

[wicked dirge]

yeah, god slayer just feels like crappy silva

[crude geode]

God slayer and Silva get better since it’s split next update

Between mage and summoner for silva, and melee and ranged for god slayer

[eternal escarp]

and god slayer becoming new

ish

[wicked dirge]

rogue?

[eternal escarp]

rogue is godslayer

[dapper coral]

blast do you have a cold

[eternal escarp]

i have boticed the fact every N was replaced with a B, blame phobe keyboard

[keen zealot]

at that rate just don't use armour

if everything is skippable why does it exist

[brisk knot]

To make life easier

[exotic stag]

keyboard phobia

[hollow shell]

@wicked dirge There are two things that are coming in the future that will help solve the armor problem in a different way

1. The stat flattening, which is happening in 1.5 and therefore soon, which will result in much less extreme differences in the stats of each stage of PostML content, including armors. This means that each armor set will be viable for longer, no longer blatantly outclassed with each boss kill.
2. More non-boss content in PostML. This will not be as soon but it will be happening in the future. You will be given more stuff to explore and kill in between bosses, and since bosses are usually what unlock the next armor tier, this means each armor set will get more usage before the next one is available.

[lean bone]

is there a cosmilite ore?

after DoG?

[hollow shell]

If we eventually end up adding one, it will not be for a while

[lean bone]

oh

also do the mechs drop a new crafting item or no?

(exo mechs)

[hollow shell]

Yes.

[lean bone]

alright thats cool

exo bar

[hollow shell]

But, they will be given what is currently Exo content, primarily

Auric and Exo are separated. Auric being post-Yharon and Exo being post-Draedon

[lean bone]

oh so exoblade is getting buff?

[hollow shell]

Technically yes

(Technically no cuz its stats are lower than they currently are, cuz of the flattening.
But like, it's obtained one boss later than it currently is, and all the bosses got nerfed alongside all the weapons, so for practical purposes, Exoblade is going to be stronger than it currently is)

[lean bone]

anyway i just remembered the update talk channel existed

[hollow shell]

Yes

[lean bone]

so end of convo

[hollow shell]

also, thegumman, I don't really agree with vanilla not having as many armor sets as Calamity.

In PreHM, vanilla is drowning in very similar armor sets as well as partial armors, which because of PreHM's unique progression, can almost all be obtained without killing any bosses.

In Hardmode you get access to 9 completely different armors sets after killing WoF (10 if Pearlwood isn't worthless), 5 new armor sets after one mech boss (granted, 4 are the Tavernkeep's), 2 after all three mechs, 4 after killing Plantera, 5 after Golem (4 are Tavernkeep's), then 4 after Moon Lord.
After each boss in vanilla you get so many different "options".

[lean bone]

doesnt calamity buff pearlwood?

[hollow shell]

(It does but for the sake of comparison I'm talking about vanilla vanilla)

[lean bone]

ik

just curious

[hollow shell]

The problem, I think, is not armor set count
But rather, as got brought up earlier, it's armor set variety. Vanilla perhaps feels like it has less armor sets because it has more armors that are dedicated to each class

therefore each individual playthrough does not touch most of the armors that Hardmode has to offer

aside from the post-WoF ore armors, that actually is quite an options influx

In Calamity, every class has access to most of the PostML armors

Making it feel like it has "more", even though in terms of armor set count it is not as abundant as vanilla

because every single playthrough goes through those armor sets

[eternal escarp]

theres only 4 unique armor types in post ml
Lunar, Prismatic, Omega Blue and Fearmonger

and demonshade ig?

so, 5

[lean bone]

DoG armor?

aka cosmilite armor

[grim tusk]

Godslayer

And not unique

[lean bone]

how

[fossil finch]

it's literally part of the main set?

the one that goes into auric?

and the one every class has to pass through?

[eternal escarp]

(atleast in 1.5 its split)

[fossil finch]

ye

[eternal escarp]

(but currently, its multiclass yeah)

[exotic stag]

seems like tavernkeep holds up to 8 armor sets while 12 arent his

so thats 20 armor sets total

[hollow shell]

What do you mean?

Total in Hardmode?

[exotic stag]

from your message with all the armorsets

hardmode ones

[ashen warren]

Maybe the best way to negate the feeling of ditching the post ML main armors so quickly is that they upgrade into the next one. Idk if that makes any sense.

[exotic stag]

that would not work..

cause they all go into auric technically\

[hollow shell]

And that wouldn't really change the fact that you're switching out your armor set anyway

you're just changing the recipe

[ashen warren]

I have a new suggestion.

[lean bone]

ok

[ashen warren]

Well its more that your upgrading them to the next stage, the final one being Auric.

To add a more logical spawn method for Anahita. Because it doesn't really make sense to have to kill the ??? to summon her. In the lore she is supposed to lure you in with her song so she can kill you, not that you have to kill the lure.

[finite smelt]

So trigger the boss by being in proximity or smth?

[lean bone]

i mean, theres already a suggestion for aureus with the same reasoning

[ashen warren]

Yes.

Something like that.

[ashen warren]

That was mine.

[lean bone]

oh

[exotic stag]

that'd be stupid

[ashen warren]

Why?

[exotic stag]

you could be hunting for sharks and boom anahita spawns

and you have to fight anahita at random

while unprepped

[finite smelt]

That already happens

You ever tried to use something homing in the ocean?

[ashen warren]

Yeah I know I wasn't saying just having her spawn, just maybe interact with the lure or something.

[exotic stag]

usually the player would notice and stop killing the ???. this one is just "its rng if you summon it or not"

also that is why you dont use homing in the ocean

[ashen warren]

Maybe have it be invincible until interacted with.

Like the Aureus thing.

[exotic stag]

i still think thats kinda dumb

cause anahita spawns where the ??? dies

so if you interact with it. its like old mans skeletron

your nearly guaranteed to get hit

[ashen warren]

Make it do no contact damage for a few seconds.

[finite smelt]

Dont let it attack for a second so you can get back?

[finite smelt]

Exactly

[ashen warren]

Like Astrum Aureus does.

[exotic stag]

then that'd simply just make people instantly mow down the boss..

[ashen warren]

Can't attack until fire is on.

[exotic stag]

anahita is not like aureus.

aureus has the defenses to make it fair.

[ashen warren]

Make it invincible until it can attack you.

[exotic stag]

wasting buff timers.

[ashen warren]

Don't buff until fight starts.

Maybe 3-5 seconds.

[finite smelt]

At this point it sounds like youre disagreeing just for the gits and shiggles

[exotic stag]

blaydon its literally how most players act

they summon the boss and instantly buff.

[ashen warren]

It would also give you time to get out of the water.

[exotic stag]

how would the average player that doesnt go out of their way to check for these miniscule details know..

[ashen warren]

Or like astrum Dues, how the small energy floats up then summons him. Giving you time to move and prepare

No damage.

[ashen warren]

Yes, like that.

[exotic stag]

again they wouldn't know

[finite smelt]

First off: be patient and wait for the fight to start
Second off: 3 seconds off my multiple minutes of buffs oh nooo

[ashen warren]

Kinda.

[exotic stag]

they'd just expect "ok boss spawned and its probably waiting to do its pattern"

[ashen warren]

Then you do what every player should do when fight a new boss. Learn

[lean bone]

how about its a shrine with a harp and when you interact with the harp anahita spawns off screen

[ashen warren]

Exactly.

[ashen warren]

But she's supposed to lure you in.

[exotic stag]

thats what lures you in

the sound of the harp.

[lean bone]

maybe the harp is already playing?

[exotic stag]

you could shatter the harp while the ??? plays it.

since the ??? is invisible when too far from it

the ??? is invisible while it plays the harp. possibly to keep the human from going "i see danger i do not want to interact with it"

(or whatever prey its attracting)

[lean bone]

also a harp makes sense considering anahita drops a harp

[hollow shell]

It could work if it was like "???" was an Old Man type NPC rather than a Cyst-like enemy

Interact with her and have a dialogue option like "Listen" or something
which spawns her

[ashen warren]

Yes.

[finite smelt]

Could work too

[exotic stag]

we could instead do something like how deus spawns with a respawnable harp requiring you to make a hammer to break it. which angers anahita

[ashen warren]

Or dialogue giving option to break.

[ashen warren]

I still like this a bit better though.

[lean bone]

same

[ashen warren]

Because she's supposed to sing and lure you in.

[finite smelt]

I feel like keeping to her character as a siren makes more sense

[ashen warren]

Not play an instrument.

[finite smelt]

She waits for you to get close then goes im for the attack

[ashen warren]

Should I post it?

[exotic stag]

technically she could also sing while playing the harp.

[ashen warren]

Yeah.

[finite smelt]

That'd just be a sprite change tho

And she already got one not too long ago

[exotic stag]

a sprite change. not a spawning change..

also it'd make more sense as to why some of her drops exist.

the ??? singing while playing an infinitely respawnable harp and the player is meant to "shatter" it

by using possibly a hammer item on it

[hollow shell]

"As discussed on the discussion channel"

Suggestions get delivered to the devs on their own, and the devs will not have this context.

and will likely not be willing to go back to find it

[ashen warren]

I know it sounds stupid.

[hollow shell]

Just omit it

[gray nebula]

i dont understand the

harp part at all what

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's

that's weird, sounds overly complicated

You also need to provide a reason

[lean bone]

just make a spawn item

[hollow shell]

a reason why this change needs to happen

No Rocket >:(

[lean bone]

why

[gray nebula]

crienge

[ashen warren]

It has a reason.

[gray nebula]

because its CRINGE..

[hollow shell]

Anahita is one of the last bastions of spawn design that isn't boring ass spawn item

[gray nebula]

plus a spawn item would be harder to come across naturally

[ashen warren]

And wouldn't make sense.

[gray nebula]

compared to basically every vanilla boss minus fishron being encounterable by a clueless player

[hollow shell]

The only reason you state is "Giving Anahita a better spawn as opposed to killing an enemy would make more sense"

You need to explain why this method would make more sense

[lean bone]

and you might accidently kill it

(if you dont notice it)

[ashen warren]

It’s better so summoner doesn’t have to swing their pickaxes for 2 minutes 😎

[hollow shell]

(and, the whole harp system is too detailed, you don't need to be that specific)

[exotic stag]

its talking about the anahita harp ig?

[lean bone]

but why break it?

[exotic stag]

because the terrarian hates the noise

[lean bone]

buy headphones lol

listen to your own noise

[exotic stag]

ah yes because you'll have noise underwater that isnt muffled

[hollow shell]

(Funny you should mention)

[lean bone]

why

[gray nebula]

[finite smelt]

[exotic stag]

voodoo demon voodoo doll

[hollow shell]

Okay that reasoning is better Voz

Still prolly cut down on the specificity in the second half of the sugg

[gray nebula]

the whole second part is still weird

just make it be like

right click > listen > bam fight happens

[lean bone]

what would breaking a harp do?

[exotic stag]

anger anahita

[gray nebula]

or even better just make the listening automatic through remaining next to her (indicated by an aura of music notes and visual effects) (until some wacky screen effects pop up, to show that youre being lured in etc) and them bam fight initiates after some time for you to get away

[zealous oriole]

Seems like most of the reasoning is lore-related, could have put that in instead of ‘makes sense’

[ashen warren]

I think a text option would be cool, though my problem with it is that you’d have potentially take some stupid damage for being underwater.

[lean bone]

have the harp on land

[ashen warren]

Why is my grammar dead today

[lean bone]

next to the ocean

[finite smelt]

So she doesnt instantly deal contact damage upon being summoned, getting hit without time to react'd be unfair

[hollow shell]

We do not need this harp stuff at all, imo

[zealous oriole]

Very cool, although then the ??? would have to despawn soon or something, or else allow the player to escape and lower their ‘lured in’ levels so you can get to whatever ocean spot ??? inhabits

[hollow shell]

^

that standing-next-to method also sounds aight

[gray nebula]

well yes of course

[zealous oriole]

The harp is extra and also not befitting the lore reasons backing the suggestion

[ashen warren]

Is that better?

[gray nebula]

i mean like

its not meant to be a very long range thing

[exotic stag]

i mean the harp is literally in anahitas drop pool.

[gray nebula]

just stand to her in maybe a zone indicated by music particles and shit

[ashen warren]

She drops a harp I guess.

[hollow shell]

You didn't change anything?

[gray nebula]

cuts down on menus which i think is cool

[ashen warren]

I did.

[gray nebula]

changed the hammer into more dialogue

still why?

[zealous oriole]

Spawn method suggestions changed.

[ashen warren]

I reworded it to be less specific.

[hollow shell]

I suppose it's not as specific

[gray nebula]

like kinda goofy to have to talk to her to listen, then she turns into a harp. or plays a harp? then talk to her AGAIN to shatter the harp

[hollow shell]

but it's still excessive steps

[zealous oriole]

Still pretty specific too?

[exotic stag]

i was just saying about the ??? playing a harp on a rock in which the terrarian destroys with a hammer cause he doesnt like the music

[zealous oriole]

The ‘lure in’ stuff reminds me of Lost Girl/Nymph. ??? doesn’t resemble a town NPC at all, so it wouldn’t work like that, though.

[zealous oriole]

What if personally the player enjoys the music?

[exotic stag]

then they choose to not destroy it

thats the players choice

i was just giving a reason as to why the terrarian destroys the harp

[lean bone]

then how would it spawn?

[zealous oriole]

Like music -> not break harp -> never fight boss

[gray nebula]

[exotic stag]

they'd probably eventually go back to see if something changed.

[hollow shell]

:|

[gray nebula]

wE are making impressive progress towards a proper suggestion

[ashen warren]

I edited it.

[exotic stag]

i dont think the player would say "oh look just a random person playing a harp underwater. i like the music so i wont do anything to them"

[gray nebula]

maybe in 10 more edits it will be good to go

like i mean

anahita is already ther

e

you talk to her

"which spawns her (isnt she already there?)

then you talk to her

[exotic stag]

(technically)

[ashen warren]

You kill her.

[zealous oriole]

I’m personally fond of the ‘lingering by ???’ spawn, where you’re actually listening in and after a point she’d go for the attack.

[gray nebula]

and then it spawns the boss (wasnt she already here twice)

like

i think u should just

drop the whole "dialogue into thing into dialogue again" bit

[exotic stag]

yes you talk to the entity which summons the same entity which you then fight said entity.

[gray nebula]

you could even remove the example algotgether

[ashen warren]

Yes.

[gray nebula]

goofy

its just hte current system except with a step added then

[finite smelt]

One of the first things i said in this convo was her spawning after she lures you close enough, we're looping back around

[zealous oriole]

^

[hollow shell]

Why do you need to talk to Anahita to spawn a harp object that you talk to in order to fight Anahita

Why not just talk to Anahita to fight Anahita????

[zealous oriole]

^^^

[finite smelt]

^^^^^

[exotic stag]

because filler rover. filler.

we need filler

[ashen warren]

That was the initial idea.

[exotic stag]

i only gave the harp idea

i never said about dialogue and stuff

[ashen warren]

That was me.

[lean bone]

no, actually

me

but i never mentioned dialog

[ashen warren]

Yeah FR 🙃

[gray nebula]

i personally wouldnt be trying to take credit for unawesome ideas

jus make it the simple "listen" one

or the more natural "just stay close to her singing for a few seconds"

[ashen warren]

Sure I guess.

[lean bone]

mine was just click it and it spawns.

[zealous oriole]

So the crux of the complaint (at least, that I can agree with) is removing the ‘kill anahita’ bit, so it doesn’t seem like she revives.

[finite smelt]

So were going back to what i suggested almost half an hour ago

[gray nebula]

simply make her spawn after the ??? gets attacked enough

[finite smelt]

Thats what already happens

[gray nebula]

the terrarian is a violent maniac they always try attack first

well yea except atm the ??? dies does nt it

[zealous oriole]

yep

[finite smelt]

Is reducing their health to 0 not just "attack them enough"?

[exotic stag]

thats why i said for destroying the harp

[ashen warren]

I edited it again.

[gray nebula]

[exotic stag]

thats just death

[gray nebula]

circular discussio g momento

[hollow shell]

"Give Anahita a better spawn mechanic

In the lore she is meant to lure you in to kill you and feed you to Levi, not for you to have to kill an 'enemy' for her to awaken. It would make more sense if the method to spawn her was not based on attacking her, rather something more similar to being lured in.
A different method to change her spawn could be: To interact with her and have a dialogue option like "Listen" or something which spawns her."

[lean bone]

^

[finite smelt]

Yes

[lean bone]

good one

[finite smelt]

That

Perfect

[zealous oriole]

Perfect!

[lean bone]

that is perfection

[ashen warren]

Ok that would work.

[hollow shell]

I normally don't like rewriting someone else's sugg, or when anyone else rewrite's someone's sugg

but

[safe oasis]

rover submit it to posting yourself 🚎

[hollow shell]

this has been going on for a while

[finite smelt]

Get that Ctrl C Ctrl V going @ashen warren

[zealous oriole]

the two types of human beings

[hollow shell]

Alright thank you Voz

[ashen warren]

@hollow shell Thank you.

[hollow shell]

Sorry for all the trouble

[ashen warren]

Yeah that's a good suggestion! 😃 😃

Thank you.

[grim tusk]

Heres examples of suggestions to help people know how to make suggestions (please read doc tho):
Valid: ⭐
Add a new summoner exo weapon
Summoner at the moment has no exo options other than immaterializer, giving a new weapon to them would give them more to choose from and more variety rather than being restricted to immat.

Invalid: ❗
Exo L.O.T.L.
[sprite here]
Summons cyborg axolotls that rapidly fire multi-colored lasers from their mouths
Does 3000 dmg per laser
2 minion slots
20 mana per cast
Made with 1 Gastric blehers staff, 1 Tempest staff, 1 Sandshark staff, 1 Stardust dragon staff, 400 nanites, and 4 Miracle matter at Draedon's Forge
Why? It would be cool 😎

[eternal escarp]

shit exo L.O.T.L is a great pun

[exotic stag]

and if new people dont understand why the bottom one is invalid: its an SIS which is known as specific item sugg

[sleek turret]

the invalid example needs more specification

[exotic stag]

i think they can see its way too specific lmao

[sleek turret]

yeah I meant for adding like the number of each respective material you need for it

[earnest raptor]

I am only one who wants silva's armor rare item set?

[hollow shell]

What do you mean?

[fossil finch]

holy shit

unironically sugging that summon weapon for ortho dlc or smt

[crystal cedar]

i love that

[hollow shell]

God fucking damn it

[fossil finch]

auric toilet don't in real

[eternal escarp]

can we suggest the removal of the toilet at this point.

[full pivot]

no i like the toilet

it pisses people off and thats cool

[lean bone]

just ask people to NOT suggest auric toilet related stuff

[jovial dragon]

it literally does nothing and theres no reason for its removal, id pay to see a fair reason why it should get removed

yes ik the message is a joke

[hollow shell]

There was another Auric Toilet suggestion earlier this month and there was a big argument over its status as a joke and how much effort the devs should put into acknowledging it

[lean bone]

wasnt it the adding more toilets to make auric toilet make sense?

[fossil finch]

the joke is now passed, and it only brings meme-tier suggs like this to the channel and more bad jokes, it's not worth it

[jovial dragon]

doesnt seem that significant tho

[eternal escarp]

discord search engine isnt the most accurate

[jovial dragon]

fair

[wooden wedge]

is that how you use it???????????

wtf

[hollow shell]

What

[wooden wedge]

words before the in:

or does it just work either way

[eternal escarp]

that doesnt matter

[wooden wedge]

oh ok

[hollow shell]

It doesn't matter yeah

[eternal escarp]

ye either way

lol

[wooden wedge]

I thought I was doing it wrong

lol

[hollow shell]

I just do whatever I happen to do at the time, no real thought into the order

anyway

Searching "toilet" is more apt considering the earlier suggestion was about making like
a whole upgrade tree of toilets so that Auric Toilet is a true exo-tier crafting project

[jovial dragon]

ye, but thats toilets in general, not auric toilet

[hollow shell]

Yes but the suggestion was based around Auric Toilet, as that was the final product

however it was not mentioned in every single message

Anyway this suggestion makes more sense and is far less agonizing to execute

I just hate it anyway

[royal tapir]

idk sounds simple, just add a whole new set of Bloodflare furniture just for the Auric Toilet

[jovial dragon]

i never said that, i just said add ashen/ancient chair to the crafting recipe, which doesnt take a lot of effort to do, but it's like their choice to do or not do it

[exotic stag]

actually it can take a lot of effort as of now because of 1.5 so they arent prioritizing joke suggs and then you forget the fact its a god damn toilet.. also cactus toilet..

[jovial dragon]

ik, but it's up to them to decide on if they do the change or not

[crude geode]

Can we just like

Ban auric toilet suggs

[jovial dragon]

idm it, i posted it bcs it didnt say anything about it

[ashen warren]

So the moderators go through and look for suggestions with 200 stars and send them to the dev server?

[fossil finch]

yes

[ashen warren]

That’s why we have calamity’s vanities

[oak meteor]

auric tesla furniture is good stuff

[radiant meadow]

Auric Toilet is my legacy to this mod.

[distant gyro]

worst mistake of your life

[zealous oriole]

best mistake. do your business in style and luxury

[radiant meadow]

I think it's both

[zealous oriole]

it can be both -nods-

[cobalt pewter]

no

[oak meteor]

another toiletvsuggestion

[earnest raptor]

??

Why people unironically suggest changes to meme recipe?

[fossil finch]

because auric toiler

[grim tusk]

Can we get an auric toilet dont at this point

[zealous oriole]

what about

a functional auric mirror

[zealous oriole]

❗️this is a joke

[earnest raptor]

• shows Cell Phone info
• allows to teleport into every important location
• can be used as Normality Relocator
• grants most of lore effects at once
• death mode environmental factors are absent
• toggleable Boss Zen effect
• shows Proficiency info and Stats info
• can be used to deflect projectiles
• can be used to reset angler's quest
• can be used to switch day and night
• can be used to switch moon phase

[lean bone]

except the lore effects, there going soon

even though its a joke, its good

[exotic stag]

this would just be "alright give everything to one item'

[earnest raptor]

their effects will be exclusive to auric mirror then

[exotic stag]

no lore effects entirely are going

[frozen hornet]

ah yes I sure do love an item that does a fuck ton but also kills me when I take a hit

[zealous oriole]

oh i. i meant a bathroom mirror but magic mirror upgrade is a neat thing to think about too

[eternal escarp]

oh boy i sure do love having useless, downsides and or free upsides in an item!

lore effects were stupid and they are removed for a reason

[runic wraith]

the only two lore items that mattered were DoG's for true melee and cryogen for free dash

there's a few that are useful in specific situations but the rest are useless

[exotic stag]

yharon

yharon and pbg's (i think) go together well

[frozen hornet]

AScourge lore was basically free stats if you had well fed

[zealous oriole]

…I actually make use of EoC, grab range, and underworld lore. Stopping voodoo doll drops is an extremely convenient feature I still want to be able to use somehow when I go into the underworld.

[fossil finch]

that's one of the few that were turned into other items

)Voodoo demon voodoo doll)

[eternal escarp]

cryo lore is now inserted into Ornate Shield

[runic wraith]

I know I'm talking bout current calamity

[hollow shell]

(I'll give HyperStar a second or two to fix)

(okay time's up)

@charred locust You need to have a reasoning/elaboration in your suggestion, separated from your top summary line using a line break (Shift+Enter)

You can see how the two suggestions above yours do it

[fossil finch]

(Reasoning is important specially when it comes to buffing it, even killtimes may have to be provided to support the sugg properly)

[hollow shell]

(And I'm going to assume by "recipes for Polaris Parrotfish" he means "waaah fishing so boooring I'd rather have it instantly" even though fishing for Polaris takes like 1 minute)

[dapper coral]

parrotfish is the nohit weapon right

last tested in october 2020, it was listed as being on the stronger side

[exotic stag]

yes i think so

[dapper coral]

ah yep that's the one

[fossil finch]

the fact it's fisheable only like bladetongue toxicarp and etc is one of the unique parts of it

so yeah...

[exotic stag]

it makes it spechul

ruining something spechul means its not spechul anymore

[hollow shell]

specil

[grim tusk]

Hmm yes -15% dmg, near inf flight, less regen, way less max hp and fucking your dashes over. And getting instakilled

[grim tusk]

You’re crippling yourself with pbg lore, yharon lore already grants 14 mins of flight; why tf do you need more

[exotic stag]

M O R E

i was tlaking about rav lore btw

i forgot which lore it was between pbg or rav and i just said pbg

i meant rav

[grim tusk]

Rav lore is a measly 10% more dmg. At the cost of an [amazing] half of your flight time. A deal that will make you [die]

[exotic stag]

7 mins of flight time >:)

[grim tusk]

And yharon lore is 14 mins of flight but -25% dmg which is a huge [!#%]ing [upgrade]

You will be [dead]

[exotic stag]

yeah you only get -15%

for 7 mins of flight

[grim tusk]

Lore items were bad. Period.

[hollow shell]

fly so high you'd reach [HEAVEN]

byeah

Not much use talkin about then anymore

[frozen hornet]

||Is the [] a deltarune reference?||

[grim tusk]

||[yes]||

[exotic stag]

||[no its for twitter nerds too]||

[sleek turret]

I think the last suggestion is a ding-dong dicht, or something like that.

[grim tusk]

Yep it should be [deleted]

[frozen hornet]

I see makes sense

[exotic stag]

yeah i know it [sucks]

[still zodiac]

Yharon lore item always decreases damage by 25%,it's not a flat amount that can easily be negated by menacing

So that's completely untrue

[hollow shell]

@charred locust re-ping cuz you're still online

[eternal escarp]

really living that [REFRENCE] huh

[earnest raptor]

I didn't actually mean downsides

[exotic stag]

[reference] intensifies

[dapper coral]

offtopic intensifies

[lean bone]

you done it wrong

the title and reasoning are in the same post

[fossil finch]

what a bingo, is that a sis at the end?

[grim tusk]

@charred locust no title, too specific and SIS

@hollow shell SIS x2

[hollow shell]

Yep

And you're supposed to make them one message, not two

separate with a line break, in-message, by holding Shift and pressing Enter

like this

And yeah this is way way too specific

and needs reasoning

It should almost all be reasoning

[grim tusk]

@charred locust read the doc

[hollow shell]

(aight thas prolly enough pings)

[grim tusk]

Yep

[exotic stag]

mans got 3 pings

for 2 suggsw

nice

[lean bone]

is Armoured Digger Changing?

next update

because i have a suggestion for it

[solid folio]

Nothing in changelogs about it except a 10% Dr change

[lean bone]

ok they should rework it into a full mini boss because rn its just there

and give it some actual loot

[lean bone]

is this a good suggestion?

Make the Armoured Digger an Actual miniboss instead of just an Enemy With high Hp

right now the armoured digger is just there, its not an enjoyable fight at all and it doesnt have that much reward (minus draedons remote and arsenal components but thats it) and its a shame because its a really cool enemy imo and has a lot of potential, so i have a way of making the armoured digger an actual fight

Add more attacks: adding more attacks then just dash and drop debree would make the fight better like adding some sort of laser projectile it shoots or something a long those lines
you could also make it have a dash phase that makes it have a speed boost but lose defence

Adding more loot: right now when the armoured digger dies it doesnt drop anything unique (apart from draedons remote) so adding some weapons it can drop will make it actually worth a fighting for some loot (not too much)

[fallow hedge]

@proven blade I believe that's a future content suggestion which is blacklisted

correct me if I'm wrong here

[lean bone]

your right

calamity isnt on terraria 1.4 yet

[fossil finch]

it doesn't make sense anyways

[fallow hedge]

yuuup it got marked

[fossil finch]

first of all vanilla princess is a fucking child

[fallow hedge]

yeah it's dumb anyway

[fossil finch]

second of all they're different persons

[fallow hedge]

turns 19/21/whatever immediately

[gray nebula]

[fallow hedge]

just doesn't make sense

[gray nebula]

sell alcohol to a minor to ruin their adulthood by sending them early into alcoholism

[proven blade]

i thought "future content" meant exploring mod's content (new bosses, stuff etc.). And that's integration to an actual terraria version

[wooden wedge]

how would that be future content

[grim tusk]

They are canonically different characters as well

[fallow hedge]

1.4 is future

I've seen similar suggestions rejected for the same reason

[grim tusk]

Princess is just another npc
Drunk Princess (or Cirrus) is a Fabsol self-insert

And yea future content (1.4 tmod or for a Cal update that hasnt dropped) suggestions are not allowed

[proven blade]

that's sad(

should i delete it, or not bother myself and wait until it'll get deleted automatically?

[grim tusk]

Do whatever you want

[lean bone]

i am once again asking if this is good or needs a change

[grim tusk]

Armored digger drops Arsenal components
But yea, fight is boring

[lean bone]

i said unique

arsenal components are not really that unique

[grim tusk]

Change the first line where you say it does not drop anything

And move the arsenal stuff there

[lean bone]

like that?

[grim tusk]

Seems good

[lean bone]

ok

[ashen warren]

Armored digger is just if destroyer had minions smh

That aren’t probes I mean

[lean bone]

armoured digger deserves his own custom fight

not just HAHA dash HAHA debree

[crude geode]

cool worm boss/miniboss number 42069

[ashen warren]

@hollow shell My suggestion reached 200 stars a couple days ago and has not been delivered. Do you think you could help?

[hollow shell]

Yeah sure

[ashen warren]

#suggestions-voting message

[lean bone]

also is my suggestion good rover?

[ashen warren]

Thanks.

[hollow shell]

Your suggestion is okay Rocket

I feel like you could include a bit about why Draedon's Remote and some Arsenal materials aren't really a worthwhile reward
considering you can get infinite Arsenal materials from extractinating power cells, and the only reward from the Remote challenge is yet more Arsenal materials
That, and the Demonic Bone Ash it drops can be far more reliably obtained in the Underworld

So, overall Armored Digger is more of an annoyance than a welcome find

because it doesn't give you anything valuable with any consistency

[lean bone]

the reason the draedons remote isnt wortwhile is it just summons mech bosses, which is ok when you first get it but it feels a little boring after a while

[hollow shell]

Indeed.

Armored Digger is a post-Plant enemy, so the drops aren't really any use to you
and the fact that they're buffed means it's easier to just farm them normally

It's just for challenge
(because Calamity doesn't have enough o' that)

[exotic stag]

wait didnt we not like the adding ashen chair into auric toilet sugg thats currently in #suggestions-voting

[hollow shell]

It's valid

It's just >:( grr toilet sugg