#suggestions-discussion

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untold pagoda
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im warned so uh

tranquil perch
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just a link

untold pagoda
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e

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thats a good idea

grim tusk
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Oh and ichor darts wont get benefitted from PBS

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And to get the most effectiveness you have to be close

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At longer ranges ichor darts do fall off

untold pagoda
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that doesnt really chage the fact that theyre too good to be pre mechs CompleteFailure

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also bosses are pretty large

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so you can use them on a boss from decent range

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like skeletron prime

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or brimmy

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and calamitas

grim tusk
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Yea but you risk getting your ass blasted still

untold pagoda
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most bosses stay close to you

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plus brimmy is already fought in a small area

grim tusk
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Vs Brimstone i agree that they are very strong

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Vs other bosses nah

untold pagoda
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twins CompleteFailure

grim tusk
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Its like says palladium javelins should be nerfed just cuz they are very good vs AS

untold pagoda
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spazmatism stays at the perfect distance for ichor darts

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skeletron charges at you so its easy hits

grim tusk
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Or how stormfront razor deletes worms with stealht

grim tusk
grim tusk
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Ichor darts rn are PBS without the PBS

untold pagoda
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for phase 2 maybe

untold pagoda
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and he is also right in front of you

grim tusk
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Also a lot of ranger weapons can hit 1.5-3k dps on mech tier while staying safe: see arbruhlest (RIV), darkecho, megashark, brimstone fury, stormbruh, onyx blaster, corroded caustibow, the AS bow drop

untold pagoda
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i barely play ranger so h

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welp

grim tusk
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Ichor darts have the risk of having to get close to reach their full effectiveness

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At mid-long range they are pretty fucking bad

untold pagoda
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well alr then

tardy smelt
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I like darts tbh

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but only because with them the dart type you're using makes an actual fucking difference outside stats

untold pagoda
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yea darts are pretty cool

tardy smelt
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mmhm

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I guess other ranger projectile types were supposed to be like that?

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but it doesn't always really work out

untold pagoda
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i wish they were a viable subclass SAD

tardy smelt
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a friend actually used darts up to ML

untold pagoda
tardy smelt
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that was vanilla 1.4 tho

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and by that tier they were really starting to show their weakness

tardy smelt
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then when you get into hardmode there's pretty much always an overpowered ammo type to stick to at a specific tier

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but I haven't played calamity ranger

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so uh

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maybe calams fixes that? idk

brisk bramble
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Are myhtril Knives going to be nerfed?

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Cause holy hell
the amount of Debuffs is provides is just

fossil finch
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the whole point of the ss is the debuffs

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and on tier debuffs would be useless

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so lo

brisk bramble
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Which begs the question

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What kind of shit the those knives are Laced in

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To get God Slayer Inferno

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Holy Flame

distant gyro
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and then all of them combined does a puny 150 dps HDfailure

brisk bramble
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thats a DoT tho

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wait.

distant gyro
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yeah but look at shellfish

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and weapons generally deal more dps than 150 considering hardmode

brisk bramble
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Fair

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And cinsidering that almost no one is immune to clams

grim tusk
brisk bramble
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Everytime the player generates steath

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He laces his projecties

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Or enchants them

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so

exotic stag
eternal escarp
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Frostbite Blaster(?)

exotic stag
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yes that one i think

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its the shotgun that fires 3 icicle bursts

rugged stone
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waiting until you can craft post dog stuff with mythril

gray nebula
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trollmoderate epic don'ts doc moment

lunar sky
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Oh

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Someone told me to suggest it earlier

hollow shell
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This isn't a very strong suggestion

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You don't need to define its drawbacks

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and you should have more to your reasoning

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Maybe draw comparisons to Cirrus's other drinks that have effects thematically fitting to their real life equivalents
like "Fireball" boosting fire weapon damage
and Everclear basically being poison due to its strong alcohol content

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if Absinthe is actually known for boosting creativity then, sure a magic theming would fit

lunar sky
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That’s fine

exotic stag
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imagine the last dab or mad dog 357 plutonium just inflicting like a really strong fire i guess

dim star
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This guy gets it

left ice
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There was a post on Reddit a while back that had this for a proposed zenith toilet. This and a few other late game toilets could be used for the auric toilet. Extra points if we get post-auric toilets such as a shadowspec toilet (which I can’t suggest due to suggestion rules, unfortunately).

hollow shell
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meh

grim tusk
hollow shell
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Valid suggestion technically

lunar sky
left ice
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The shadowspec toilet? I thought you couldn’t suggest stuff with shadowspec as a requirement.

fossil finch
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as much as this sugg is valid i can't take you seriously specially with the name itchyfart
and they mean that the sugg you posted is valid

left ice
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I mean, the auric toilet recipe is a legitimate suggestion. I just happen to have a thematically amusing name, given the context.

hollow shell
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No I mean your suggestion that you posted is technically valid

left ice
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Ah, that makes more sense.

hollow shell
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I say "technically" cuz its quite jokey in nature

fossil finch
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it will surely use terratoilet in 1.4... i think and if it does not someone will sugg that

dapper coral
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if i have to make a crafting tree for the bloody auric toilet i'm gonna lose it

left ice
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I was concerned it would delve into specific item suggestion, but since it doesn’t have stats to balance, I figure it is safe.

left ice
dapper coral
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i pity the fool

ashen warren
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fargo soul toilet

left ice
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Also, apparently we only have an auric toilet. None of the other furniture sets have toilets. What’s up with that?

fossil finch
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because like

sprites

auric toilet was a meme thing and it should've never happened

left ice
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True. But sprites are generally a lot quicker than code, no? They should all be able to run on the same default toilet code.

hollow shell
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Even our spriters have other priorities than joke items

fossil finch
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indeed

hollow shell
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Or rather, even more joke items

left ice
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Fair, I suppose. I just figure a furniture set should be a complete set.

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Though I guess there are a few vanilla sets that are missing the occasional piece.

fossil finch
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(and terraria didn't have much toilets until 1.4 iirc, so it's normal they were not a granted for modded furnitures)

left ice
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Oh, you’re right. Some reason I thought more of them were 1.3.

ashen warren
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making the player roll or tilt sideways when they dodge would be cool

hollow shell
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Terraria Overhaul.

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That mod has exactly that

ashen warren
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i know overhaul has stuff like that

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but i just want it for the visuals

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overhaul has lots of nice visual flair

fossil finch
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i mean overhaul didn't copyright those mechanics but like

why would calamity ever

ashen warren
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because it looks nice

fossil finch
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there's precisely a mod out there that gives overhaul animations

wooden wedge
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Rolling and dodging aren't just visual though

fossil finch
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use that

wooden wedge
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It's an entire game play mechanic

ashen warren
fossil finch
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and that

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idk how is it called

ashen warren
hollow shell
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Ah I was wondering if such a mod existed

ashen warren
hollow shell
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All the dashes have their own 'animations' already

fossil finch
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((it'll also look awkward as hell to roll mid-air))

hollow shell
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Unless you're talking about triggering an animation on like
dodge dodges, like Black Belt

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which is more doable but not something we will be doing

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in all likelihood.

left ice
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Maybe a dodge would be classified as being within X distance of a harmful entity?

hollow shell
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Calculating the distance between the player and all existing projectiles and enemies on every frame...

fossil finch
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i'd love seeing my character constantly rolling around because i got on true melee distance

left ice
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Oh, good point.

left ice
ashen warren
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i want dodging to play a rolling animation

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yall rly dont understand what im saying??

hollow shell
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Define "dodging" please

ashen warren
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double tap left or right while u have special shield or ninja belt

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or is it dashing or whatever

hollow shell
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That is usually called a dash yes

left ice
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Dashing, technically.

ashen warren
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my bad

hollow shell
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For Tabi, sure, that could work thematically
But not for shields, those are supposed to be like ramming

left ice
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Extra points if the player doesn’t have an animation for it and just rotated 360 while looking the exact same. OMEGALUL

ashen warren
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well i just want some kind of visual flair

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like just tilting him a little

hollow shell
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byeah
you could look for that Overhaul visuals mod (if it exists)

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then tell me its name cuz it sounds neat

ashen warren
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modders need to take notes from overhaul

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it has rly good sound design and visualks

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and then take notes from split for boss design

fossil finch
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wtf rocketlauncher suggesting emode water debuffing

hollow shell
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There is a dynamic soundscape mod

left ice
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Would a suggestion to “complete” all furniture sets be considered a specific item suggestion, do you think? Most are missing a decent chunk of things.

fossil finch
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you know who should take notes from someone

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you probably should take notes from common sense

hollow shell
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This suggestion would fit perfectly fine in Death Mode

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We do water debuffs in dmode

fossil finch
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things have different design philosophies and tbh taking notes from mods with different scopes may be already flawed ofc one can take inspiration, but that's not a global truth

left ice
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I’d be down for it in death mode. That seems cool.

fossil finch
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anyways yeah

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deathmode water sugg

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automatically valid

hollow shell
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@lean bone

ashen warren
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there should be guns that have recoil

grim tusk
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On rev CirrusAnger
On dmode CirrusBreakdown

ashen warren
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that would be cool

lean bone
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yes?

ashen warren
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like having to move the mouse down as you shoot

fossil finch
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mention deathmode or smt

lean bone
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yeah death mode astral water sounds good

ashen warren
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doesnt the astral infect ur skin or something in the lore

lean bone
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i think it replaces it

ashen warren
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yeah so you could need special armor or accessories or something to traverse astral while in death mode

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idk

lean bone
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there already is

ashen warren
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oh thats cool

lean bone
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astral armor and also a couple accessories stop the infection

ashen warren
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does ur skin burn off if youre not wearing them

hollow shell
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The debuff tooltip says "Your flesh is melting off"
Death text says "<PlayerName>'s skin was replaced by the astral virus."

ashen warren
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or get infected or whatever it is

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isnt that just a debuff a boss causes

grim tusk
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Astral enemies, lots of weapons

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And 2 bosses

hollow shell
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Astral debuff has a lotta sources

ashen warren
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just make it happen all the time if youre in the astral during death mode

fossil finch
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something something the reason the debuff isn't applied to you globally is because that's not gameplay friendly

ashen warren
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death mode isnt gameplay friendly

fossil finch
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you need to be able to exist in a biome for that biome to be explorable and therefore good

grim tusk
ashen warren
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yeah so make players have to wear a specific accessory

fossil finch
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deathmode adds a lot of ways to counter heat and cold enviromental stuff

ashen warren
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thats neat

fossil finch
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you'd need to add an item, the only existing option is astral fishing only

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and it'd be annoying

left ice
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People: death mode temperature hard
Me: haha campfire go warm

ashen warren
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thats the point

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you have to sacrifice an accessory slot to be in the astral

fossil finch
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and deathmode doesn't require new items out of nowhere, it uses already prexisting items you'd use even if not on deathmode

grim tusk
fossil finch
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(and, ofc, campfires and walls exist)

left ice
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There’s a difference between annoying and just not cool. That outright requires an item rathe than just heavily encouraging the player to use it.

grim tusk
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Ursea seargeant is from fishing inside astral

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Astral armor is post-Deus, and the other immune to astral accs are astral boss drops

left ice
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Just having the debuff in the water would make it encouraged but not required.

ashen warren
fossil finch
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ursea lo

ashen warren
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its death mode its supposed to force you to adapt

grim tusk
fossil finch
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and it forces you to adapt with pre existing items

ashen warren
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sounds dumb tbh

fossil finch
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campfires, walls, and accs that give heat/cold protection are a thing you use already outside of death

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they just gain new utility

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what sounds dumb is your proposal, lo

ashen warren
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blocks ur skin

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the abyssal one

grim tusk
ashen warren
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that goe in accessory slot

fossil finch
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new cientific discovery humans only have skin on their head

ashen warren
left ice
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Wait, since when do humans have skin?

fossil finch
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you're saying helmet

ashen warren
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you guys love being toxic LOL

fossil finch
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and abyssal diving suit is post moonlord

ashen warren
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🤦

fossil finch
ashen warren
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youre a brick wall

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lol

hollow shell
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...

grim tusk
hollow shell
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I guess this convo does not need to continue

ashen warren
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Right?

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Nope

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Damn

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So sad

left ice
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Toxic is whatever happens whenever people say they mix content mods and how others react. OMEGALUL

grim tusk
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Question: since Cal adds the option to show debuffs over the bosses, is a sugg for adding icons for the vanilla debuffs with placeholders (such as Besty’s curse, celled, daybroken and oiled) be valid?

hollow shell
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As in respriting the icons?

fossil finch
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ye

hollow shell
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Yes that is within our power, though people may dislike that cuz it would overwrite texture packs which may also fix them

fossil finch
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it could always be a toggle ig

hollow shell
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(I don't know if Cal's texpack does it already)

fossil finch
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(i'd also find strange any tp would fix those because they can't be seen in gameplay anyways)

grim tusk
left ice
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I like my vanilla looks. If it were added, I’d prefer to have it optional.

grim tusk
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Could work as a toggle

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On by default but disable it so that texture packs that fix em can work

hollow shell
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Toggle might require a game restart but it could work

fossil finch
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idk why would you like seeing a blank buff icon and dragon's summon buff but yeah a toggle would be helpful here

grim tusk
fossil finch
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yes it's just a reload

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or should be, at least

left ice
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My issue with buffs isn’t the icons, but that they get overridden so easily. You can barely have any potions active if you have your permabuff furniture out. The few that you can have often get overridden when a boss applies several debuffs. SAD

hollow shell
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I don't know what a vanilla texture overwrite toggle would require, I've never seen it done before

fossil finch
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this doesn't have anything to do with player's buffs

left ice
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What buffs are we talking about, then?

grim tusk
grim tusk
fossil finch
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celled, oiled, betsy's curse and daybroken have no buff icons

left ice
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Ah. I guess I just don’t use that feature. All it does is add more clutter IMO.

hollow shell
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That's fine. We have a config for it for a reason

left ice
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No buff icons period or no buff icons present above the boss?

fossil finch
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well, reword it

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they have no unique textures

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i believe celled, curse, and oiled use a placeholder buff icon with nothing in it

left ice
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If there isn’t an icon at all, I’d be fine with a sprite. My issue would just be if it were a resource of something that already existed.

fossil finch
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daybroken uses stardust dragon summon buff

hollow shell
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Don't forget about Penetrated

royal tapir
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Celled uses Stardust Cell buff icon

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iirc

fossil finch
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well then

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thing is, they can't be applied to the player ever in vanilla (except mp with curse/daybroken, i think, unsure if players are globally immune to this two)

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(which is pretty much why they were left with unfinished buff icons)

left ice
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I thought cursed actually had an icon? Or is this a separate cursed from the ankh charm one?

royal tapir
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Betsy's Curse

left ice
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Ah.

fossil finch
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ichor but even more broken

grim tusk
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very passive agressive

distant gyro
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Most sets don't have a water fountain. That makes sense

grim tusk
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also ^

distant gyro
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Imagine what a cosmilite water looks like

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Water fountains are supposed to replicate biome colors, not furniture

left ice
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True, I suppose.

distant gyro
left ice
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But the other points stand.

grim tusk
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also iirc most furniture sets dont have basins either

left ice
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Edited to change to accommodate that.

grim tusk
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also sconce?

left ice
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I just went by the calamity furniture sets page.

fossil finch
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pretty sure sconce is just a fancy name one of the pieces gets for like cosmilite or smt

left ice
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Yeah, it appears that’s the only sconce in Calamity.

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Similarly to how the only toilet in Calamity is the auric toilet.

fossil finch
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it is pretty much a lamp

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lol

distant gyro
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vanilla also has a single sconce

left ice
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There is an actual lamp for that set, too. I wonder why the heck that one set got a sconce but no other sets did.

distant gyro
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that is not any part of any furniture set at all

fossil finch
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because someone made the sprite when they made the cosmilite furniture set so they added it as an scounce

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idk

left ice
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Yeah, the vanilla sconce doesn’t have a set.

cobalt pewter
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Let's just delete auric toilet

hollow shell
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Not a bad idea

fossil finch
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factual statement

lunar sky
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):

brisk bramble
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no more funni jokes

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Only calamitt

ashen warren
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I mean at least if we delete auric toilet people will stop suggesting stupid shit related to auric toilet

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“Shadowspec toilet funny!!!!”

keen zealot
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didn't someone unironically sugg a toilet for every bar and absolutely nothing else?

safe oasis
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yes

keen zealot
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yeah then it's time to get rid of auric toilet

left ice
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Toilet for every bar? Now that's ridiculous.

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A toilet for every furniture set? Absolutely. But a toilet for every bar? No. If a bar doesn't have other furniture items (with the exception of the auric toilet), it shouldn't have a toilet.

brisk bramble
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and it contributes the bloat

hollow idol
fossil finch
left ice
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There's a big difference between content bloat and furniture bloat, though.

crude barn
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how are the gods going to shit

grim tusk
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On the floor

cobalt pewter
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With a portal

frozen hornet
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Or,get this,with a normal toilet

keen zealot
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they already shit on earth directly, I don't see how removing auric toilet would change anything tbh

left ice
keen zealot
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yes

frail mantle
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Auric toilet was indeed a mistake

dim star
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Auric toilet would be fine if calamity mod fans weren’t stupid and knew when to stop jokes

cobalt pewter
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Let's remove it then!

pastel crow
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I would be 100% good with removing it, like I am ready for that thing to disappear

frozen hornet
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I want it to be gone but I know that if it was removed a chunk of people will go nuts

frail mantle
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that is their personal problem

prime stirrup
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toilet for every item in the game deepthonk

cobalt pewter
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Perish

dim star
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Though, should we remove a moderately funny joke just because a few fans kept suggesting more toilets?

cobalt pewter
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Totally

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The toilet joke has never been funny

eternal escarp
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this recent sugg reminds me of my own sugg of making amidias behave like permafrost in prehm

gray nebula
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sugg : no

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the aquatic bosses already have their own loot and AS even unlocks T2 acid rain

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just yet another set of weapons would suck

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permafrost kinda sukcx in that regard as well

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npcs should be cool and unique instead of "hey look more and more stuff to sell smiley face

weak field
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Should I suggest to clarify that defiled only boost a limited number of drops

grim tusk
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Defiled drop rates are literally dying next patch

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Suggesting anything for defiled is worthless, it will become a toggle item like ball and chain on next patch; will now only delete flight time.

weak field
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pog?

hollow shell
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Yeah, everything Storm (Dolos) said is correct

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And, it would indeed be better to give Amidias some increased functionality or selling utility items as the game progresses, rather than weaponry
We do not need more weapons

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However, I don't know what that functionality/utility would be

lean bone
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make him sell fishing stuff

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and some actually useful fish stuff like some crate exclusive items

hollow shell
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Yeah, that is a possibility
Fishing focus

frozen hornet
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Desert scourge already drops fishing stuff

grim tusk
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Good idea, maybe more fishing gear

frozen hornet
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And amidias sells it's summon

hollow shell
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We could remove it from DS maybe

grim tusk
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Yea that could work

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Rather than having DS, AS and Levi drop items, Amidias sells them instead

lean bone
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probally keep it for AS

hollow shell
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Well
iunno, maybe
Destroying a PreHM boss and buying stuff from an NPC are kinda equally effortless tasks

grim tusk
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Make em loot boxes so that players have to grind the money

lean bone
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EA strategy

grim tusk
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Perhaps having Amidias sell some items but not all

lean bone
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yeah

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also NO abyss items because the abyss is a huge part of calamity

grim tusk
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Say he could sell endless sponge and water bucket but not something like Hotline Rod

lean bone
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he could probally sell sitting duck fishing rod though

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so you dont have to wait for a traveling merchant to have a chance of getting it

grim tusk
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Actually since mechanic rod and duck fishing rod are sold, just make him sell hotline

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Or a new fishing rod perhaps

hollow shell
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Could be a new one

lean bone
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Sunken Sea Fishing Rod, works more better underground

grim tusk
lean bone
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idk

grim tusk
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Yep, craftable post-DS and shocks enemies

lean bone
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i too, like fighting with fishing rods

grim tusk
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Perhaps also sell an item to complement alluring bait (maybe then combine em even)

lean bone
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probally a dry rod then, like a DS theme rod

grim tusk
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Coral rod, Acid-proof rod, abyssal rod, etc

lean bone
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something like that for him

grim tusk
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Actually we could move all of the bait items from merchant to him, or give him new ones

lean bone
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omega bait

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post ml

lean bone
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also probally make him sell navystone and sunken sea blocks while in the sunken sea

grim tusk
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Why though, enemies in there already drop those blocks

lean bone
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really?

grim tusk
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!wiki clam

red stormBOT
lean bone
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oh yeah

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they do

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also maybe make him have special dialog in the desert because its his old home

left ice
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Wait, defiled drop rates are dying? Booo.

fossil finch
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you're really late

left ice
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Yes.

hollow shell
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The thing is, we already add several means of obtaining rare/unreliable items

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And we're also just
making general changes so that a lot of drop rates are less rare and unreliable

lean bone
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coin gun?

left ice
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Are the crits/cash rate staying or are those going too?

fossil finch
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they are

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who uses coin gun

hollow shell
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Ender that answer does not work for that question

fossil finch
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fair

hollow shell
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Defiled has no upsides anymore and its only downside is No Wings

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And its an inventory-favoriteable now instead of a toggle

left ice
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So the cash and crits are going, then. Got it. :<

hollow shell
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The only reason people liked Defiled was because it disabled your wings, allowing for interesting challenges

left ice
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I don’t like it as an inventory favoritable just because my inventory is already full of crap like that. OMEGALUL

hollow shell
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Well you'd be using it in boss fights, not while exploring

fossil finch
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(the benefits of defiled did not even match the downsides, having no wings is not much of an issue while farming, and crits are crits)

left ice
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Or would I? 😉

keen nebula
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The Auric Toilet needs to be comprised of the Wulfrum, Victide, Aerospec, Statigel, Daedalus, Reaver, Hydrothermic, Tarragon, Bloodflare, Godslayer, and Silva toilets

lean bone
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ah yes, add a dormant aureus

grim tusk
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@ashen warren maybe change the title cuz you infer there that he should naturally spawn (which he does on death mode iirc)
Change the title to add a structure that spawns Aureus or something similar

lean bone
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actually a pretty cool idea, i want more unique boss spawns

exotic stag
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like how martians spawns

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and since its like a mech

grim tusk
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@lavish finch yes the devs know, this has been suggested a ton of times

lavish finch
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Is anything actually planned?

exotic stag
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probably.

lean bone
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other then reworking all of post Ml

grim tusk
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Yes but mostly kept under wraps for obvious reasons

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One of the few publicly known things are the cosmilite dimension for example

lean bone
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cosmolite dimention?

exotic stag
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probably a DoG change

grim tusk
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Or DoG’s pocket dimension however you want to call it

lean bone
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DoG just Dropkickes you into his world

exotic stag
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@grim tusk do you know about anything about yharons background changing or?

grim tusk
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Post-ML has an event already as well: AR 3

lavish finch
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I'm glad the devs are aware atleast, cuz the way it's handled currently is just not fun.

grim tusk
exotic stag
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cause i mean

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yharon literally shoots fire

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in a flammable area..

grim tusk
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Nothing

lavish finch
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I'd hate to see more bosses added instead of them adding some stuff between the bosses lmao

ashen warren
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@grim tusk How should I change it?

exotic stag
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(also the jungle do be fireproof if yharons infernados cant even burn it)

exotic stag
grim tusk
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Disable reply ping

exotic stag
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yeah i just forget to do that

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(kinda funny how a pickaxe does more damage to the jungle then a literal FIRE TORNADO)

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(and no not crystyl crusher. blossom pickaxe)

lean bone
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also that suggestion remind me of something ill like in it

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aka unique boss spawns like deus

ashen warren
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How do you type in bold?

exotic stag
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do either ** or /bold

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doing /bold would bold everything i think

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or it doesnt exist

ashen warren
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Like in suggestions.

exotic stag
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yes

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*should look like this*

ashen warren
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Oh ok

exotic stag
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dont mind that it isnt bold i just did a test

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thats just showing how the bold thing works

ashen warren
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Thank you.

exotic stag
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yeah there

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im trying to see if theres a DoG entry animation at all but not seeing one. probably just gonna input my sugg in a bit

ashen warren
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?

exotic stag
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nothing.

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i was just looking in changelogs

lean bone
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i just wrote an entire essay

exotic stag
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you could add DoG entering from a portal

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unless thats already in

hollow shell
#

Yes yes we have plans for both of these most recent suggs to happen

exotic stag
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neat

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does yharon have one?

lean bone
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so more unique animations

fossil finch
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it's funny because these plans have been here for a lot of time probably

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they are just not of the highest priority

lean bone
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._. does storm weaver have one devs

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i like the lightning idea i had

fossil finch
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are you gonna ask for every single boss if they have a planned spawn animation thingy

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(don't)

lean bone
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no only sentinals and cryo

exotic stag
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no im just wondering about yharon cause i had one for him for a while now

lean bone
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idc about levi's

exotic stag
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its an infernado popping up and then fading away as yharon pops out of it

lavish finch
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It's good to hear there's plans for content between bosses! Hope they get worked on soon

fossil finch
#

well you can keep those for yourself for now
Or not, idk
though i would not recommend sugging now because of rocket's sugg ofc

exotic stag
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yeah yeah i just wanted to know if he had an anim planned

fossil finch
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chances are they aren't telling anyways :P

exotic stag
#

confidential. just like the scp foundation (Total meme)

gray nebula
#

THIS IS FUNNY BECAUSE WE were discussing unique boss spawning shit just now hahahahaha

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our ideas are way cooler than this though

grim tusk
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Coincidence moment

fossil finch
eternal escarp
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harsh, but fair.

exotic stag
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i mean mine was neat atleast.. yharon literally summons fire

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also jungle is fireproof. its confirmed

lean bone
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i thought of those very quickly so obviously it was bad

grim tusk
#

Im still thinking of possible reworks for Momentum Capacitor

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Since well the ones i suggested were not liked

fossil finch
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did you say "buff momentum capacitor" or "rework"

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remember to do the former to fool more people into voting

grim tusk
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yea did rework rather than buff

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the spectral veil sugg compared to the momentum capacitor sugg is a clear example of this HDfailure

exotic stag
#

actually i feel like momentum capacitor could have a different use tbh

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maybe like reangling projectiles then press the key again to fire them?

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if a projectile enters the field stop it then follow player cursor until button is pressed again maybe?

ashen warren
hollow shell
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Does Calamitas ever do that?

exotic stag
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but i mean

hollow shell
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I only remember her burning the Crags and the old ocean

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and you

exotic stag
#

yharon literally summons two giant infernados that dont even lightly char the jungle

grim tusk
# grim tusk Im still thinking of possible reworks for Momentum Capacitor

Alr idea numero 1
Rather than having to rely on a field to boost the projectiles, its now an activated ability that gives you 10 seconds of boosted projectiles. Additonally buffed the dmg gain a substantial amount so that it still is not outclassed by old die, emblems and electrician's glove and competes with em instead

idea 2:
Rather than deploying the field it simply boosts your next attack at the cost of a % of your stealth. Dmg buffs increased substantially. Think it as your next attack gets buffed a lot; maybe even can get the power of 2 stealth strikes into 1.

idea 3:
Tesla potion effect, all your attacks have velocity increase and inflict electrified; heck maybe this can be absorbed by blunder booster as a sort of upgrade.

fossil finch
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ok but can we stop talking about the obvious reason yharon doesn't burn your whole jungle (it'd be pointless and annoying as hell)

grim tusk
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and that he lives there

exotic stag
grim tusk
#

Yharon just attacks you when you provoked him

fossil finch
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and he does not

hollow shell
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Yharon has magical Hamon fire that doesn't harm anything he doesn't want to harm

fossil finch
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:tro:

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precisely

ashen warren
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Sentient fire.

fossil finch
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(again, it's just because adding that would be stupid)

exotic stag
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imagine yharons sentient fire with bat ai

grim tusk
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heck jungle having folly nests around would be better

grim tusk
exotic stag
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yharons sentient fire with duke ai.

ashen warren
exotic stag
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imagine mini folly's that reside in the jungle that have a chance to drop a tiny amount of folly feathers and exotic pheromones

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(like 1% for pheromones

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that way you dont need to fight folly every time for feathers

ashen warren
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Isn't that already in the game excluding the pheremones?

earnest raptor
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There is draconic swarmer

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People who make suggestions don't even play the game

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Smh

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echfacespin 🔪

exotic stag
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rarely.

fossil finch
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well yeah

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they literally kill themselves when on a high population density

ashen warren
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Or kill eachother.

earnest raptor
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But fishing luminite bars out of space crates when???

ashen warren
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More likely.

exotic stag
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void crates when.

fossil finch
exotic stag
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(i feel like the monoliths could have more use tbh)

fossil finch
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what monoliths

exotic stag
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the pillar monoliths

fossil finch
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they're decoration

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what more do you want

ashen warren
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They are for decoration.

fossil finch
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can we keep deco for deco

earnest raptor
exotic stag
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(yes auric toilet has a use. to sit on)

fossil finch
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auric's use is deco

exotic stag
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yeah but atleast its usable..

fossil finch
#

monoliths also are with that logic

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you can turn them off and on

exotic stag
earnest raptor
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It would be really cool, if auric could be used for monolith that can do all 7 colors of the rainbow.

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Probably more of Vanities sugg, than anything else.

fossil finch
earnest raptor
fossil finch
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they´re for decoration

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if you don't like them, don't use them

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they don't need another use

earnest raptor
fossil finch
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surprised they didn't fix that tbh

earnest raptor
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I think it is 10x more profitable to turn luminite into monoliths than sell bars

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Celestial monoliths are the same

grim tusk
#

any thoughts on my sugg?

exotic stag
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maybe add a third about reangling projectiles?

grim tusk
exotic stag
#

well maybe only projectiles with rogue damage then?

grim tusk
#

issue still remains

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as much I'd like something to work like Ultrakill's coins it will likely cause desyncs badly in mp

exotic stag
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probably..

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and also projectile limit

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causing majors amounts of lag with piercing..

grim tusk
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and even more with projectile spawning items; of which rogue has plenty

exotic stag
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(i.e venerated)

grim tusk
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dragon scales, moonstone crown, nanotech, every post-ML rogue armor, electrician's glove, scuttler's jewel, shadow potion, etc

exotic stag
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hm maybe i can turn my idea into an accessory if i reword it

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okay so if we press (insert accessory key here) it'll freeze all onscreen projectiles for 3 seconds before firing them at the mouse cursor

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hows that?

grim tusk
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idk how would that work but maybe

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just be careful and not make a SIS

exotic stag
#

yeah

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i'll think on it for now

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and i completely forgot what an SIS was because i was thinking too hard. great

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oh right specific item sugg whoops

hollow shell
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@feral pewter Do not post joke suggestions.

novel belfry
#

MEME!? IN THE CALAMITY MOD DISCORD?

agile tide
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good suggestion though

feral pewter
#

IM SORRY OKvaporeonpleadingeyes

hollow shell
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@topaz geyser Stop

novel belfry
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i'll be honest i wish we could have memes but well, history is history

agile tide
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lmao

novel belfry
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😐

hollow shell
#

I guess you're all friends, huh

ashen warren
final bloom
topaz geyser
#

can i have dev

ashen warren
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Yes

topaz geyser
#

ok.

agile tide
#

can I have gaming

hollow shell
#

Can you both stop

topaz geyser
#

ok.

agile tide
#

ye what channel is more for joking lol

hollow shell
#

None of them

west radish
#

guys

lean bone
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none iirc

west radish
#

not cool

agile tide
#

oh

topaz geyser
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im the joker

feral pewter
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How immature of you, misery. and Nerf Ashton.

west radish
#

no joker

ashen warren
#

Seems to be a common theme of kinda useless rogue accessories

grim tusk
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Yea sadly

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Rogue has a ton and only around 6 are used by the mayority

topaz geyser
ashen warren
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A lot just don't do anything

feral pewter
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society me

hollow shell
#

Rogue does have a lot of accessories

ashen warren
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Then the ones with the cool gimmicks are underpowered

hollow shell
#

yeah

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Fortunately we're already fixing some like Extorter

ashen warren
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Hopefully they're worth using in 1.5

grim tusk
hollow shell
#

yeah I uhh

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I do not know what its current effect is off the top of my head

ashen warren
#

I haven't played much rogue but when I have played I never had any real incentive to use most of the accessories because they just weren't better than the stat stick ones

grim tusk
#

Spectral veil on the other hand was well known for being a Signus drop and well that sugg blew up (or was the adding Buff in the title, probably both)

grim tusk
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MAY show up, and theres like 3 pre-hm javelins. Item is dropped by gem crawlers with a low chance

ashen warren
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Spectral veil is one, the entire mirror line is kinda useless when you realise it's only good for stealth and stealth is kinda bad rn

grim tusk
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Yea problem is people only use the known to be strong stuff or boss drops

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People only use the bandit accs that are known to be strong

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Or used to be like locket

ashen warren
#

Its understandable why rogue has so many underpowered stuff because there isn't any vanilla items for it as it's custom unlike every other class

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Hence why the other classes accessories are almost all good options

grim tusk
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Bandit should probably be made less obscure as a whole

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Maybe changing the spawn req perhaps

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Since no player is going to have 1 plat on its inventory, they’ll have that amount of money on piggy bank instead

ashen warren
#

Ye

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Idek if you can check piggy bank items

grim tusk
#

Maybe like her just showing up after Skeletron is defeated

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Or be a bound npc

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Say she stole from Yharim and into the dungeon she goes

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Although mechanic exists already there…

ashen warren
#

Hm

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Skeleton gives you two npcs in vanilla

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It could be moved to post HM/Perfs maybe and just spawn like you said or be bound somewhere thematically fitting

grim tusk
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Actually yea

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That could work

ashen warren
#

What does she actually start off selling

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Isn't most of her weapons overshadowed by the lionfish at the same stage

grim tusk
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Cniqueda is epic
The others are kinda ech

hollow shell
ashen warren
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Die is good

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Never knew she sold TCG

grim tusk
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Maybe have kylie post-Hives and make her sell the stealth gloves and Cniqueda, die and Glaives where she is currently (post-skele).

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Glaive post-skele cuz rogue already has a boomerang post-hives (being tracking disk)

hollow shell
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why would Kylie be post-Hives if you're proposing moving her to post-Hives

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ig initial shop

ashen warren
#

Confusing me now

hollow shell
#

She could become post-Hives, sure

grim tusk
#

What would Bandit sell post-skele?

hollow shell
#

and be a bound NPC stuck up in some corruption/crimson goop

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or unconscious from lack of oxygen in the planetoids

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(assuming we move Aerialite there)

ashen warren
#

I think she'd be dead up there

hollow shell
#

I mean, the player lives

grim tusk
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Player only dies in like death mode

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On rev and lower its just fine

ashen warren
#

Ye

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If it's enough to make her unconscious she would technically die a bit after tho

grim tusk
#

Maybe we could justify death mode by making her sell things that provide heat and cold protection

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If she goes to space that is

ashen warren
#

She could be in a cell in the main planetoid or smth

grim tusk
#

That could work

ashen warren
#

Or like just trapped because of the turrets, idk

hollow shell
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She could be poking out of one of the lab crates

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"yo I was rifling through this stuff but uhhhh the turret activated and now I can't leave, help me out?"

grim tusk
#

What would we do if Turrets got destroyed earlier though

ashen warren
#

She's just in there looting then

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Or there's an unbreakable tile until you speak to her or smth

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There'd be ways around it

hollow shell
#

We prolly don't need to worry

#

exact text can change but I think her looting the planetoid is a fine place to move her

ashen warren
#

Ye, its just fun lol

hollow shell
#

May even be there are any point in the game, just restrict her shop items to post-Skele

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aside from like, Bear's Eye

grim tusk
grim tusk
ashen warren
#

Why does she even sell that

grim tusk
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

ashen warren
#

I guess it's like her gear

fossil finch
#

because ninja stealthy idk because she does

grim tusk
#

Moving the evil gloves to her shop could work, to give her items to sell across progression

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Like craft it OR buy it

ashen warren
#

Ye

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I do feel rogue is kinda centered a bit too hard on her

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Take the arms dealer

grim tusk
#

Or minor consumable weapons like wulfrum knives at the start

ashen warren
#

He's a pure ranger npc but isn't nearly as complex as the bandit and I think it works better

grim tusk
ashen warren
#

Bandit sells a lot more and for longer tho

grim tusk
#

Witch doctor is mostly summoner but has melee and rogue’s imbuing station

hollow shell
ashen warren
#

And with rogue having less items than the other classes (I'm pretty sure) it's more noticeable

grim tusk
lean bone
#

yes iirc

exotic stag
#

he sells sniper rifle i know that

ashen warren
#

Ye but at that point it's not needed

exotic stag
#

i dont think tac

lean bone
#

he does

ashen warren
#

It's past the progression point to save you grinding it while bandit sells stuff you immediately use and can only get from her

exotic stag
#

(btw sylvan slasher kinda good ngl)

ashen warren
#

Gets a little repetitive imo

wooden wedge
#

nah

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deus stays because deus is cool.

fossil finch
#

i don't think boss removal suggs are anywhere close to allowed and even then you'd need a reason outside "i personally do not like this boss"

sleek wadi
#

If profaned nuggets are still in the game despite being filler for the longest time, I don't see a strong case being made for Deus

tardy smelt
#

😎

lean bone
#

deus is one of my favourite worms in calamity

ashen warren
lean bone
#

...

fossil finch
#

instant 🛠️

#

la

grim tusk
#

After getting bluechecked for so long

#

It happen

hollow shell
#

This suggestion is so broad that I may as well

lean bone
#

just realised i said in to instead of into :/

ashen warren
#

i wish discord had a reacted with search option in the message search to search by reactions, would make trying to find suggestions that got accepted etc a lot easier

hollow shell
#

Yeah, it's a bit annoying that that doesn't exist

#

I wish Discord search was more in-depth than it currently is

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allowing for stuff like " " quote searches that most web browsers have to search for exact phrases
(as there are some common words that Discord will choose to ignore when searching)

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Sadly Discord does not have a Discord server with a suggs channel

#

(afaik)

safe oasis
#

i think you can suggest features in the forum?

hollow shell
#

Ah you're right

#

I forgot about the suggestion forum because Discord forgot about the suggestion forum

grim tusk
#

Also forgot to clarify in my sugg that by tesla potion or blunder booster effect i meant that the field will shock enemies

grim tusk
gray nebula
#

nice wall of text bro

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i havent seen the wall of text but i agree doe

royal tapir
#

What do you mean

#

That's awall of text

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You just can't see it

grim tusk
#

yea going back and forth with the stuff discussed here yesterday night

gray nebula
#

i have no clue what happened here yesterday night 😎

grim tusk
#

just scroll up a bit

gray nebula
#

no

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i will be waiting for the wall of test

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oh its there

royal tapir
#

Pretty sure you can get Bandit when the Platinum is in Piggy Bank?

grim tusk
#

@west spoke did you ask permision from the donor?

fossil finch
#

lack of reasoning too

royal tapir
#

Just tested, it works when it's in the Piggy Bank

grim tusk
#

was it a new world or a world she had already arrived before

royal tapir
#

It was a world I had very few NPCs in before, one was definitely not the Bandit

grim tusk
#

The player has at least 1 Platinum Coin in their inventory. (This condition will not be required if the Bandit has moved in before on that world)

royal tapir
#

Pretty sure I never had the Bandit in that world before

fossil finch
#

i'm 100000% sure it does work in piggy bank

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because i've NEVER had 1 plat in my inv for bandit to arrive, just the piggy bank

royal tapir
#

I could test again with a brand new world

#

tbh there should be more consumable rogue weapons post-Moon Lord, there's only 3 right now

grim tusk
#

4 isnt there

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lunar kunai, tarragon darts, plasma grenades oh wait yea just 3

royal tapir
#

Just tested in a completely new world, still worked from Piggy Bank

#

Lemme update Bandit page then

boreal spindle
#

Place commas in the damage and DPS readings
In end-game calamity mod, one can get DPS into the millions. This creates a problem for future updates that when even higher DPS will be reached, reading it will be tough as 6, 7, or 8 digits will be very hard to read correctly and quickly. Therefore I suggest that commas should be introduced to the DPS display. This would make it much easier to tell the difference between one and ten million. I don't know Terraria code very well but I think it would be pretty easy to implement.

#

is this a good suggestion?

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oh i forgot the bolded headline

#

there

hollow shell
#

You don't need to mention future updates

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In fact, there's no guarantee that numbers will become higher than they are now, cuz of the stat flattening we just did

#

I do like commas in my big numbers, good readability
May be difficult to implement, we'll have to overwrite some vanilla code

boreal spindle
#

OK, will change some words.

#

Place commas in the damage and DPS readings
In end-game calamity mod, one can get DPS into the millions, reading is tough as 6, 7, or 8 digits is very hard to read correctly and quickly. Therefore I suggest that commas should be introduced to the DPS display. This would make it much easier to tell the difference between the hundreds of thousands, millions, and tens of millions.

#

Also, I support stat flattening as some of those numbers towards the end game were getting too big.

left ice
#

If the numbers of DPS get smaller, enemies' health would have to decrease, too. But I assume that's part of the stat flattening.

hollow shell
#

Yes indeed

vernal epoch
#

suggestion for discussion:
make sea king (giant clam npc) help bubble (the thing that gives you unlimited water breathing until you get hit) pop under the pressure of the abyss (1st/2nd layer maybe, even 3rd if you want it to still be usefull).

unless something has been changed since the last time i played this bubble which you can get very early prehardmode lets you traverse to the bottom of the abyss without any trouble if you combine it with a zen potion, nothing to pop the bubble and boom you get to traverse the most uninhabitable area of the game really early and get terminus with the only requirement being a shadow key

make it 'pop under the pressure', its logical and makes this area more dangerous and less 'cheeseable'

hollow shell
#

mmmmaybe

#

It definitely should pop in the 3rd layer if not 4th, but not 1st or 2nd
Because the primary purpose of the buff is to help with Abyss exploration

vernal epoch
#

at least terminus layer i think

#

like when the music changes

#

and theres a lot of minibosses

#

should 100% pop there

#

ill write a thing for 3rd/4th layer

crude geode
#

I mean

#

You need to have killed slime god to get zen potions, and by that point you've likely looted most of the abyss already

#

and in the next time you visit the abyss you wanna be killing things for the drops

vernal epoch
#

most of the abyss
lowest layer

#

getting the terminus from down there should be hard

crude geode
#

I mean.

#

Even without zen potion, just having iron boots will let you zip down and snatch it before anything can even spawn, even without zen potion.

vernal epoch
#

so the bubble should pop

#

theres nothing wrong with the zen potion

#

getting terminus early is a bad thing

#

can you even summon boss rush pre-hardmode?

#

does it do anything?

hollow shell
#

I think you can

#

You'll just die very very quickly

vernal epoch
#

and go welp.. never touching that again

crude geode
#

Can you actually not reach bottom of the abyss pre-hm? I swear I've done it before and I never use bubble lol

vernal epoch
#

you just die

#

how do you get there?

crude geode
#

ton of breath extenders

crude geode
vernal epoch
#

no terminus is different because its ENDGAME

#

it should be hyped up

#

and difficult to aquire early

ashen warren
#

If they wanted to hype it up I don’t think they would’ve stuffed it in the bottom of the abyss. :vesselsip:

#

Me when no nitro

vernal epoch
#

its in a locked box

ashen warren
#

If they actually wanted to make the terminus feel important I feel like they would do a better job at it

vernal epoch
#

thrown down to the bottom of a literal 'abyss'

#

like someone put it away and didnt want anyone to touch it ever again

#

seemingly unreachable

#

and using it starts the ancient ritual of boss rush

ashen warren
#

Terminus being at the bottom of the abyss for me just seems like it’s at the bottom of the abyss because they had to put it somewhere tbh

crude geode
#

you're hyping this up a lot more than the game is in it's current state. next update it gets a bit more hype with original music.

ashen warren
#

They could’ve put it in the deepest darkest pits of the poopy dogshit dimension and it would’ve had the same effect on me

vernal epoch
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but being at the bottom of the abyss could really mean something if it was super hard to get to

hollow shell
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(Music is postponed)

crude geode
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ah gotcha

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byeah

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if it was really meant to be endgame it could always...yknow, only be used post scal?

vernal epoch
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but then someone might throw it away

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if they got it early game and it didnt do anything right there and then

ashen warren
vernal epoch
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but its not a reward

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its something that someone didnt want you to have

crude geode
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also I was remembering right, bubble isn't the only way to reach the bottom.

vernal epoch
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abyss diving gear is good

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because its hardmode

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later game

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you have to put effort into getting it

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and make something specifically for that

crude geode
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not that much tbfh

vernal epoch
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rather than bubble and potion

ashen warren
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I mean, getting terminus in hardmode is like defeating scourge in pre-hardmode, you did it for the funny, but with scourge you actually got something worth your time

crude geode
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^^^^

vernal epoch
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im still posting it

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i think its a good idea to make the bubble less op

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even if you can get terminus later

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i feel like the bubble +zen potion is cheese and think it should be fixed

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stacking breathing accessories is less worse

hollow shell
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Forgot which channel I was in for a second

novel belfry
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Hmm

hollow shell
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@warm jetty

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Already happening.

warm jetty
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Sweet, thanks!

hollow shell
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yeye 👍

warm jetty
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My bleeding ears will be happy.

warm jetty
crude geode
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when it's ready

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soon ish though, likely before the end of the year

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@vernal epoch You can reach the bottom of the abyss in time without bubble.

hollow shell
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Meh, this seems too situational Overdone

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The suggester will almost always get pinged in this channel when it happens

crude geode
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agreed

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people will almost always bring it up

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For the Abyss Minus Bubble used Arctic Diving Gear, Depths Charm, Iron Boots, Anechoic Plating, Ocean Crest, and Victide Armor with only the Zen buff.

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So yeah, zen potion is the problem, not the bubble.

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The bubble just makes it easier since you can put on more offensive accessories

cobalt pewter
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🛠️ this literally exists, but people will be pinged first anyways yea

warm jetty
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@hollow shell Is the bloodworm natural spawns being fixed?

warm jetty
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Thanks! Forgot about that for a second lol.

silver silo
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Assuming not but asking just in case, are tiny things like pet suggestions allowed lol

crude geode
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any specific item suggestions are not allowed

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if you ask for a cow pet that goes moo and is called Bessie's Bell, that wouldn't be allowed

silver silo
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Well that’s what I was wondering is asking for an animal but nothing else vague enough you know

crude geode
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if you want more pets in general tho you get redirected to Cal Vanities

silver silo
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Yeah ofc

fossil finch
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Just ping the person or sm
In any case they could've searched in #suggestions-voting for a sugg like theirs and stuff byeah

fossil finch
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damn i WONDER

eternal escarp
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@deft yew post ml balance sugg arent really something to sugg rn

fossil finch
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I WONDER

deft yew
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oh crap i'm sorry

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checkpins moment

fossil finch
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ye

narrow plume
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aaa

deft yew
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should i remove my sugg then

eternal escarp
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so yeah regardless if it gets marked or not, the post ml rebalancing will take care of this either way

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your sugg is pretty much moot, so

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ig

deft yew
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sorry about that, i'll keep stat flattening in mind if i make any other suggs

eternal escarp
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it happens, dw

deft yew
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i’m guessing the whole draedon’s arsenal is getting adjusted as well

fossil finch
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only post ml one

eternal escarp
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(id assume specific weapons like Guass Rifle would be specifically looked at seeing as they are widely known for being a little to powerful for their tier byeah)

fossil finch
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ye

deft yew
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Or specific weps known for being bad, but ig other weps on their tier could be nerfed a bit instead

eternal escarp
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thats not really how it works because then every weapon would be pretty bad agianst the boss of the tier HDfailure

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assuming the other weapons would be on the average killtime already

sleek turret
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every (that's actually on that tier and does actual damage) weapon has to be on its average kill time of a boss

deft yew
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I am stoopid!
Not big surprise.

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how do you get the average kill times anyway?
is it measured with the length of their themes? HyperFailure

fossil finch
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no

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they test stuff on rev with usual on tier equipment without rippers

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(and they decide what's the avrg kill time)

deft yew
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fair

eternal escarp
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(iirc theres a killtime table on thr wiki, which is pretty close if not the exact same table that the testers use)

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(should be in the Reactive DR page i think?)

sleek turret
gray nebula
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biggest agree of all time

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wait no

wooden wedge
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!suggestion

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@ashen warren wrong formatting lol

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that and you should read the don'ts doc before posting your sugg

grim tusk
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Also aint an exo shattered sun coming eventually™️

fossil finch
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Exolline is a maybe iirc

ashen warren
ashen warren
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would be n o i c e

gray nebula
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🤪

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noice useage in 2021 => it will never get added

lean bone
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if someone knows how to make a tp for mod items, it'll be cool

gentle chasm
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would probably possible by making it a client-side mod that replaces the calamity sprites with the vanilla-styled ones

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thing is, i'm not sure if client-sided mods are possible in tmod

fossil finch
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They're

lean bone
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they are

weak field
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Who's making all the sprites for the texture pack

fossil finch
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And this could be done but like
This is not a job for calamity's devs

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In any capacity

gentle chasm
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should i have suggested this in the calamity texture pack server?

lean bone
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no suggestions channel

gentle chasm
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oh

fossil finch
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Neither i think because that's also not a work for them

weak field
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I feel like this is not a job for calamity people

fossil finch
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That's a work for whoever wants to take their time to make those sprites y'know

lean bone
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it would take a long time

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a LONG time

fossil finch
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(Which is not a lot of people because making sprites intentionally bad so they "fit vanilla" kinda lo)

gentle chasm
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that's the thing
the calamity sprites are too good for terraria imo (not a compliment)

lean bone
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wdym too good?

fossil finch
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Well uh
Limiting your sprite quality so they "fit more" is kinda wacky

lean bone
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also how is that not a compliment

gentle chasm
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they look like they're from different games

lean bone
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ok

gentle chasm
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ok

lean bone
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is that a problem?

gentle chasm
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one sec gonna delete the suggestion

fossil finch
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(((Wacky in this context means that it is a dumb choice)))

lean bone
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i mean, thorium pulls it off well imo