suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

@vital sorrel

[vital sorrel]

Can you? I never tried it with the water blocks honestly. Paint is one of those things I often forget exists.... If you can then I'm about to feel like an absolute idiot

I kinda just assumed you couldn't since the Lava fall and Sand Fall mostly looked like waterfall recolors in their own right

[hollow shell]

Give it a shot

[vital sorrel]

I'll need to see if I have any worlds available to do that in. Got a new computer recently and lost my older ones.

[hollow shell]

Well if you're playing modded you can just Cheat Sheet

[vital sorrel]

Righto, let me just save the game I was playing real quick

Aight' so looks like I'm an absolute idiot

Well noted

[hollow shell]

heh, alright then

Glad you have a solution at least

[keen zealot]

wait painted tiles work on waterfalls?

[hollow shell]

Waterfall blocks, the ones that look like they're encased in glass

[keen zealot]

ohhh

[hollow shell]

You can tint liquid waterfalls by having the half-block that creates them be a gemspark block

[keen zealot]

I knew that one

[hollow shell]

Mhm, I remember that was a defining feature of the Terraria update that added that

[keen zealot]

yeah

it was like the main thing in the first 1.2 trailer

slopes, waterfalls, and COLOURS

this one https://youtu.be/R0DkbaytG0A

[hollow shell]

Oh, damn
I thought it was way more recent than that

like one of the 1.3 updates

Huh.

[keen zealot]

I remember that day very well as I found out about it then

spent weeks trying to figure out what the bow in red's hotbar was

[stable bolt]

Imagine if mods don't remove this link and it actually gets suggested

[frozen hornet]

Pretty sure the bot doesn't count it

[ashen warren]

Interesting idea huh

This could work well with rage but it's a bit confusing with adrenaline

Specially because of the rage rework in 1.5 which should make it an actual trade instead of the weapon being stronger for no good reason

[fossil finch]

Adrenaline wouldn't work because you want the full damage boost from nohitting not using a randomass weapon tbh

[ripe owl]

Go ahead, I am ready to get bombarded about my sugg

[fossil finch]

Damn

They did reduce brimmy's defense on the coocoon phase next update

[ripe owl]

Oh well that's goo

d

[eternal escarp]

these i think

[ripe owl]

Cool

Anyway I'm gonna leave it because why not

It'll be deleted anyway

[earnest cape]

It wont be deleted automatically by anything currently since it's not ❗ and doesn't infringe any rules at least to my knowledge.

It's just commonly better for it to be deleted since there is no point at all at having a suggestion of something that's already been implemented in the next update

[eternal escarp]

tbf his exact suggestion wasnt implemented, but the problem he arrised was answered

[earnest cape]

Well my bad on that part then

[hollow shell]

Her pattern is random? I thought it was a cycle, teleport-aggro-cocoon teleport-aggro-cocoon

Maybe it changed at some point

[eternal escarp]

i think it has changed at a certain point, yeah

[grim tusk]

yep

thats why Brimmy aint becoming fucking invincible on cocoons next patch

[crude geode]

Surprised this hasn’t been exclaimed yet

[dapper coral]

i believe that original AI change happened in r&d? or maybe one of the subsequent miniupdates

changes are still being made to it in 1.5 tho

[grim tusk]

yea in R&D

[cobalt pewter]

Signus got the same treatment too

Also there's the catch that a "phase" cannot occur twice in a row

So there's that

[fossil finch]

[novel belfry]

[dapper coral]

@obsidian stream you can't ask for specific items like that, please read the don'ts doc in the pins

[novel belfry]

i feel like there should be a serious reason

[grim tusk]

@wintry wharf same thing as last guy, no specification (also if you want to submit a sprite, CalArt server is the place, not here)

[novel belfry]

but i honestly agree with you anyways for some reason

still

give a serious reason tho

[wintry wharf]

i'm not suggesting the specification for a new item
and then i realized nothing can be specific other than the suggestion itself

[wintry wharf]

i'll see what i can do

[grim tusk]

still is suggesting a specific sprite

if you want certain stuff you may not give sprites, nor stats

[novel belfry]

perhaps like "It'd make sense that a giant shell should be visible to the player"

[hollow shell]

A reason would be appreciated yeah

[grim tusk]

and remove the sprite

[hollow shell]

Calamity has a great lack of accessory visuals

Adding more one step at a time would be good

[wintry wharf]

sprite can't be removed, i'll need to wait for 7 minutes

[grim tusk]

well we wait

[wintry wharf]

nevermind

might as well post the sprite here as inspiration

[hollow shell]

That looks alright yeah

[wintry wharf]

i'll probably make other sprites for the remaining shells and whatnot

[hollow shell]

You could submit them through the Calamity art server

In fact

[wintry wharf]

i did earlier, nobody responded

[hollow shell]

yeah this sugg isn't even needed

Nah I mean in the submission channel

[wintry wharf]

ohhh

[hollow shell]

It'll get delivered to dev and we'll vote on it immediately

[wintry wharf]

alright

what about the other shells? should i throw them in as well?

[hollow shell]

Yeah sure. You can submit em all at once or one by one as you do them.

Either works

We'll vote on each of them individually anyway

[wintry wharf]

where should i submit them? art server submissions channel, i presume?

[hollow shell]

This is the channel, yeah

[wintry wharf]

gotcha.

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Check the Don'ts doc in pins, you can't suggest something based purely on it being a reference

[ashen warren]

oh my bad

[zenith hazel]

@ashen warren you still need to add a reason to your suggestion

proper formatting is required as well

Title

Reason

[ashen warren]

ahhh i see

[frozen hornet]

Gravistar Sabaton works for that tbh

[zenith hazel]

and yes that acc already exists

that reason is incredibly vague

why use your resources on an armor/acc that lets you deal AoE damage when AoE weps do the same thing while you can use a more useful acc/armor set?

and again, what's the purpose when gravistar sabaton already does that?

[real steppe]

I recommend looking at the suggestions in #suggestions-voting for reference

[manic aspen]

honestly

having access to drops from other world evils shouldn't be a thing at all

it defeats the purpose of choosing an evil in the first place

there needs to be variety in playthroughs

[fossil finch]

I honestly agree but i don't think the average voter does at all

[weak field]

The average voter loves the idea of doing less work

They also love the idea of not having to choose

[cobalt pewter]

Eternally relevant quote by god

[eternal escarp]

rover has been dubbed as god.

[fallen plover]

There's a fine line between removing an inconvenience and removing actual gameplay content

[weak field]

Would suggesting adding a template suggestion/guideline in #suggestions-posting be a good idea

[fossil finch]

that's kinda literally what don't doc is

[weak field]

Well the average 13 years old calamity enjoyer probably won't have the audacity to click on a google doc

[fossil finch]

they won't care about the template guideline either

[weak field]

Well true

If they're going to post a unfunny meme suggestion and a oneliner reason consisting of "this would be cool", they're going to either way

Isn't the perf projectile rain phasing through blocks thing already in #changelogs

[frozen hornet]

Yes it is

[weak field]

677 - Perf Hive projectiles go through blocks until they go near or past the point on the Y axis that the target player is on. - Done ✅

[fossil finch]

MY FACE WHEN

[frozen hornet]

@shell grotto the

[lapis canyon]

I’ve never seen a player who fights perfs underground

[frozen hornet]

I have

Pretty sure plenty of people do

[fossil finch]

people usually reuse boc's arena ye

[lapis canyon]

Fair point

[shell grotto]

gotcha, sorry I looked through changelogs under "perforators"

just glad it's getting a change

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[vital sorrel]

Oh cool, my secondary summoner attack suggestion reached over 200 votes. Neat!

[safe oasis]

tbf this does seem like partly calamity’s fault considering postml, usually the most memorable part of a playthrough, is a giant bossrush

[fossil finch]

it's not something you see only in calamity suggs, though

[safe oasis]

yeah but those people have also played calamity, the imprint sticks

[fossil finch]

eh idk

[safe oasis]

ok, just looked in other mod discords’ suggestion channels and the problem isn’t nearly as big

def seems like a cal issue

[hollow shell]

I hope this issue gets remedied once the post-1.5 updates come out

[crude geode]

I’m not too surprised at how the community focuses so much on boss rushing considering most of the past updates/even the current one are focused solely on bosses and balancing. Rust and Dust is one of the very few updates to actively focus on making some more exploration in the game, and that wasn’t even that much tbh.

[fossil finch]

how many devs have said post 1.5 updates plans are uniquely based in non boss content already anyways until idk 1.10 yharim update
so, like yeah sure you only have to like not screw that up?

[hollow shell]

I've personally said it here multiple times, at least

[fossil finch]

yeah

i recall dom saying that too

[crude geode]

Bc people like me will complain about the hyperfocus on bosses

[fossil finch]

i mean 1.4 was the astral expansion

then 1.3 or one of the 1.3 updates was the abyss update iirc

[hollow shell]

Both 1.3 and 1.4 focused on new biomes rather than a new boss yeah

although 1.4 also had the heavy boss rework of Astrageldon

into Aureus

[crude geode]

How much did 1.3 expand the abyss? Genuine question Bc my brain is soup at times

[fossil finch]

it added the abyss

[hollow shell]

Yeah the Abyss didn't exist before 1.3 lol

[crude geode]

wow incredible

[hollow shell]

1.2 was Stress (later Rage & Adren) and Polterghast

[fossil finch]

before 1.2 updates were a complete mess

[hollow shell]

1.1 added Calamitas and the Bar Of Life ores

[fossil finch]

there's like 90 1.1 versions

[crude geode]

polterghast’s name debacle still gives me a fucking headache
I think that honestly adding more exploration/reason to visit really underdeveloped biomes would be nice. Ocean gets used as an arena for two bosses/funny reaver shark and that’s about it.

[hollow shell]

Yeah don't worry we're well-aware of that issue and plan to address it

Not the Ocean specifically, at least not concretely (it has gotten brought up)

But others yes

[fossil finch]

justify calamity biomes existence first and then do it for vanilla

[crude geode]

Astral and Brimstone Crags do need some work yeah. Astral Underground is something something ComingSoon™️ and Brimstone Crags needs to be used for something other than Le funny essence of chaos and Brimmy

[fossil finch]

in general make the gen beter pls

[shell grotto]

overall just exploration and non-linear progression are big things to tackle, and honestly despite the ups and downs of different choices/updates it's gotten a heck of a lot better so just good job there.

[fossil finch]

sea shell other method or better sea snail spawnrate sure

but i don't agree with money through at all, it's not really a rare drop

[dreamy fjord]

money trough doesnt need a special way to get it

simply do 1 or 2 blood moons

its not 1 million iq frame perfect final boss stuff its just... patience

also if ur using multiple content mods and are unable to get sea shell because of it, how is that calamitys fault

content mods are not balanced around each other, theyre balanced around themselves, using multiple will inevitably cause poor balancing

[icy nexus]

Sea snails have a very low spawn rate naturally, and the sea shell is a gigantic snoozefest to get

[dreamy fjord]

tbh i dont have much trouble with it

just drink zerg potion and commit ocean genocide

[icy nexus]

I've done calamity only runs with battle potion + zerg potion and not gotten one two nights in a row

[gray nebula]

make litterally everything obtanable without playign the game💤

[keen zealot]

wait

actually, don't wait

[dreamy fjord]

yeah no one came here to play :D

we just want to instantly obtain the perfect setup for the next boss

[brisk bramble]

A sandbox issa sandbox
If yall cant evem grimd for a few mins to get what ya want

Idk even.

[crude geode]

can't believe solution is just make it purchasable instead of adding crates. also idk how this is calamity's fault when you're the one mixing content mods.

[whole sedge]

Yeah uh this seems like such a non-issue and a pretty bad solution also

Bad RNG will always exist regardless but that's kind of the point of it in my eyes, the game shouldn't always be a perfectly consistent route just to the final boss with no real change or challenge in the way or even inconveniences and has kinda been discussed before

[crude geode]

also mfw I have to place two platforms, then a piggy bank, and then pick it back up instead of using wacky item

[hollow shell]

You should remove the bit about using other mods that increase Ocean mob spawns anyway, as that line really works against the validity of your sugg

Also strange that you propose to make Sea Shell purchaseable instead of boosting its drop rate

It's 50% in Expert. Could be made into a guaranteed drop

[fossil finch]

make guide the only shop npc, his shop is giant and has all items in the game

they are all available for 1 copper

( i agree with what has been said above in general)

[hollow shell]

"This would reduce a lot of annoying grind and make players have a much smoother experience playing through the mod"

[fossil finch]

clearly

[sand umbra]

it feels like that's not out of the realm of possibility at this point for suggs we might end up unironically seein'

[dreamy fjord]

oh no i have to grind for 30 seconds with zerg + battle to get an item

this is so sad

bad game

alexa play despacito

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message
gonna bring this suggestion up since it was both approved and denied. I feel as though buff slots, though semi-frequently discussed here, could be discussed more. They're sometimes problematic due to how they're used up by almost everything and how many things use them. Honestly implementing alcohol poisoning in some way for normal potions could be interesting tbfh, though I'm not sure how popular of an idea it would be.

Mainly so you can ensure you don't actively reach that buff slot limit outside of rare circumstances.

[fossil finch]

The thing about simple alcohol poisoning to normal pots is that

[distant gyro]

the 🚫 is for increasing buff slots outright

which I think is a fair assessment

[crude geode]

indeed

I mean, this is the expected buffs (+potion cooldown debuff and minus fabsol's vodka cuz not everyone uses it) any class should be using end game which is almost half your buff slots alone.

[fossil finch]

Ironskin and swiftness don't do shit tbh

Ironskin maybe if you're tanking but swiftness literally doesn't do anyhing

Without pets, this is 9 buff slots

There's 22 of them iirc

Considering auric and accs, you'd have less than half, yes

[hollow shell]

And then there's debuffs

[dreamy fjord]

i mean they do have a point, dont summoners need like half their buff slots on just spamming random minions and set bonuses

[fossil finch]

How many does scal apply

[distant gyro]

2

[fossil finch]

And, do exo's apply any?

[dreamy fjord]

like 2 or 3 buff slots on ur minions alone, 2 from auric tesla set bonus, 2 from auric tesla set bonus revives, scal does 2 more

and bam most of ur buff slots are gone just for the crime of being summoner

[crude geode]

yep

it's rough

thankfully mandatory mechworm buff slot will die next update

[fossil finch]

It will

[dreamy fjord]

yeah

[crude geode]

but still pretty rough overall

[dreamy fjord]

still kinda sucks considering u still will need 1 or 2 buff slots of minions still, right?

[fossil finch]

Maybe the others too, not so sure but i think auric's in a thin line so it may get more unique some day

[dreamy fjord]

thats like 6 to 8 of ur slots on just the bare minimum shit you cant even get rid of

[fossil finch]

Has there been any discussion about that?

[crude geode]

auric tesla being bland af?

[dreamy fjord]

and if ur using pets thats like 2 more slots gone because how dare u want to look quirky and cute

[fossil finch]

In general making it not your past 5 (4) armors

[crude geode]

yeah I've personally suggested to make auric tesla more unique instead of ctrl c+v other armors' effects

[fossil finch]

I think I've see some dev mention they've also thought about that?

Idk really

[dreamy fjord]

u need like 8 buffs and 6 to 8 buffs/debuffs u cant avoid so u have 4 buff slots in total to do what u want with

2 if ur using pet/light pet

[crude geode]

you're pretty much disallowed from using pets/light pets after a certain point, due to it taking up slots.

[fossil finch]

In general auric next update is still shady as hell because we aren't super sure how is it gonna work aside x classes getting y buffs yeeted

[dreamy fjord]

and it makes me sad

i want cute pets ):

and calval adds cool stuff like provi pet or slime god pet so i can joke about having a stand

but i cant use it or i have less stats

[crude geode]

I do think a lot of the blame for this problem can in fact be pushed onto vanilla, but it's a problem exacerbated by Cal's extended line of potions.

[fossil finch]

It's just a problem that is by default expanded if you add more potions basically

(Or more need to use them)

[dreamy fjord]

yeah its not even entirely calamitys fault there

[fossil finch]

The only way to avoid it is to change how yours work/change the entire system/do the souls and tell people to download lan's unlimited buff slots and fuck off

[dreamy fjord]

pets didnt really have any need to take up buff slots, relogic just coded it that way, and it wasnt like there was THAT many useful potions in vanilla

oh wow i need all these buff slots for the amazing GILLS POTION

or maybe even the FLIPPER POTION

idk why they set a buff limit in the first place tbh??

its not like anyones gonna abuse being able to drink shine and gills potion along with all the other ones

[crude geode]

I think the main solution would be combining potions like Cadence does. Profaned Wrath/Rage theoretically are different but insert done to death convo about world evils so they could be combined. Aureus Cells really can just apply one buff that can't be stacked with mana power/regen, and Yharim's stims should really cancel any of it's ingredients.

[dreamy fjord]

yharims stims dont give quite as much as its ingredients

at least if i remember correctly

[fossil finch]

You see combos are funny

[dreamy fjord]

its still an amazing buff

[fossil finch]

I agree with the aureus cell notion

And wrath and rage well uhh

Uhhhhhhh

[dreamy fjord]

unless u also tack on the effects of its materials to it, plus the buffs it already gives i guess

wrath and rage could be good and all but its opposite world evils and a general pain in the ass to get both outside of QoL mods

[fossil finch]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Wrath and Rage (potions being locked behind world evils like this is stupid anyways)

[dreamy fjord]

^

[crude geode]

tackling wrath v rage involves tackling world evils and that's been done to death about five times over.

[dreamy fjord]

they shouldnt need u to make a new world or use calamities evil island

but yeah its been talked about

...a lot

...by everyone ever

[fossil finch]

The eternal "choosing should be important so there's more pt variety"
"Why is one of the worlds evils literally worse than the other"
"Yes"

[crude geode]

I think complaining about these potions in particular is probably the most valid complaint, as summoners literally cannot use the crit potion, but can use the damage potions.

[hollow shell]

which one's which

[crude geode]

byeah wrath and rage could be combined at this current point in time and nobody would really know the better.

[dreamy fjord]

eh imo both world evils are good.... in calamity.

in vanilla crimson is just blatantly better at least imo

ichor is just way better than cursed flames without the calamity buff to cursed flames

its not even close

at all

even with the 1.4.1 ichor nerf to -15 defence its still way better

[hollow shell]

Indeed but Cal do buff Cursed Flames

[fossil finch]

For vanilla alone, crimson's plain better

[dreamy fjord]

yeah in calamity cursed flames are arguably better

[fossil finch]

Specially in 1.4

[hollow shell]

and this is the Calamity suggestion channel

[crude geode]

btw rover do you know if any major changes to auric tesla are planned (outside of removing godslayer buffs from mage/summoner and vice versa)

apologies for ping

[hollow shell]

I don't know anything concrete, no

[dreamy fjord]

but even then its stupid that you have to go through so much trouble and/or wait until HM to get corruption exclusive items because relogic made them exclusive items

[fossil finch]

In calamity, cursed inferno is buffed but because everyone has the nerve already in probably most default to crimson

[dreamy fjord]

i usually default to crimson cuz im used to it

all of my vanilla playthroughs have been on crimson

ive been doing more corruption recently tho cuz of calamity changes + to git gud at hive mind

[crude geode]

pog repost time

[fossil finch]

Also, cal adds access to both things at the same time always so the choice is irrelevant (this has been criticized to hell and back i think)

[crude geode]

cuz the original got to 185 and it irks me

[dreamy fjord]

yes

it technically does

with evil island

with sandstone u cant use to fight perfs

and u have to wait a year for it to spread in HM

[crude geode]

Evil islands have indeed been criticized about five times over.

[dreamy fjord]

...some of the other stuff is good tho

[fossil finch]

Indeed

[dreamy fjord]

like buying biome exclusive items from npcs

[fossil finch]

It's not an easy subject

[dreamy fjord]

yeah

its hard to balance some stuff

[ashen warren]

Wait corruption is better in calamity

[dreamy fjord]

like should they start out able to spawn perf cysts and shit

or should u have to wait for HM for all that stuff

[crude geode]

cal's evil choice negation is indeed a complicated debate that can't please everyone no matter what you do.

[dreamy fjord]

among other things approximately no one agrees on

[crude geode]

it's why people here just let things go on and discuss other things that are less highly decisive

[keen zealot]

by decisive do you mean divisive?

[dreamy fjord]

yeah i mean theres no "correct" option here

[fossil finch]

It's not really
Statistically crimson equipment is better at leadt vanilla one (not sure about cal gear) and both ichor and cursed inferno are fairly good

[keen zealot]

corruption boss is more fun though

[ashen warren]

Yes

[fossil finch]

Ichor does lose impact over time but considering bosses dr are getting yeeted down flames won't be as good anymore

That's completely subjective

And irrelevant

[crude geode]

(please move to another channel, this is hardly related to suggestions at this point)

[ashen warren]

I like corruption designwise

[ashen warren]

Ok

[novel belfry]

Honestly for the whole thing with Auric Tesla armor, I personally believe that the whole "set bonus is literally four other set bonuses" is somewhat unique in its own right. Still, it should have something unique to separate it from its downgrades.

[crude geode]

the fact that you called the unique armors "downgrades" kinda shows how it diminishes the original armor sets

[novel belfry]

you got me there

[fossil finch]

I mean

Magic missile is a rainbow rod downgrade

Does that diminish magic missile

Ok I'm gonna be fair here
Water bolt is a tears of heaven downgrade

[novel belfry]

well honestly vanilla dungeon weapons deserve better in the calamity mod

they're kinda there to be upgraded into other things

[frank stratus]

yes because flamelash is on the same tier and there's no actual reason to use magic missile

[fossil finch]

In vanilla they're there to be replaced by shadow chest weapons too/or hellstone

[distant gyro]

yeah

[fossil finch]

They're completely irrelevant

[crude geode]

the fact that Auric Tesla doesn't add anything to most classes is my main problem with it. it doesn't even have new visuals for the armor set bonuses

[fossil finch]

Ye

[distant gyro]

Valor -> Cascade
Blue Moon -> Sunfury
Handgun -> Phoenix Blaster
Magic Missile -> Flamelash
Aqua Scepter - sucks

[dreamy fjord]

yeah like who uses AQUA SCEPTER

[brisk bramble]

Me-

[crude geode]

ah yes le funny dungeon nonsense

[dreamy fjord]

who goes "oh man im facing the wall of flesh, better PISS ON HIM"

[brisk bramble]

None of yall use aqua scepter againdt WoF?

[fossil finch]

It's funny because it's literally how they're made
1.0 and 1.1 stuff is just

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message
hacks up four month old suggestion

[dreamy fjord]

ah yes im sure a light stream of water will stop a demonic amalgamation of flesh and eyes and shit

[novel belfry]

Oh hey the devs agree
Yay

[dreamy fjord]

water bolt is the one dungeon weapon that is unironically useful on its own

and im happy that suggestion might get added :D

[crude geode]

that's only cuz it can be obtained earlier

[fossil finch]

Happening in 1.7 (prehardmode balance update) :clearly:

[crude geode]

[dreamy fjord]

even then water bolt is outclassed by fire bolt in calamity

which if i remember correctly is a post eow/boc weapon, right??

[fossil finch]

Water bolt is a great alt to demon scythe if you're lazy

[dreamy fjord]

water bolt is arguably worse than demon scythe, yeah

[fossil finch]

And in the context of calamity, a great material for a great line of weapons

[distant gyro]

flare bolt is better and worse

[dreamy fjord]

and demon scythe is s t i l l pre boss

[distant gyro]

demon scythe is better and worse

[dreamy fjord]

so uhhh

yeah

[crude geode]

implying water bolt isn't pre-boss

[fossil finch]

In 1.4 it isn't

And unless calamity changes that uhh

Too bad!

[crude geode]

considering Journey's End in current debates/suggestions is slightly odd

[dreamy fjord]

yes but its rng lol

[distant gyro]

water bolt has the most pierce
demon scythe is the best dealing with high def iirc
flare bolt is somewhere in there

[dreamy fjord]

water bolt might just not be in the surface

then u take the L

demon scythe? always obtainable and has similar dps on wof anyway

[crude geode]

Demon Scythe pre-boss involves going to hell and killing demons which isn't exactly simple pre-boss.

[dreamy fjord]

demons arent amazingly strong

they shoot accelerating scythes big deal

[fossil finch]

Another issue to add to the infinite amount caused by "bloat" bad early design choices by red and a bunch of other stuff because making 8 weapons viable for the same boss yet unique on their own is complicated

[dreamy fjord]

allow me to move very slightly to the side or be generally near them to completely negate their attacks

[dreamy fjord]

fair point

pretty hard giving a class a bunch of different weapons that are all viable but all still interesting

[crude geode]

This is the reason why I dislike Auric Tesla armor but am fine with the Auric Tesla weapons. Each of them gives at least something new compared to the old weapons, and has new visuals. Such as Dragon Pow.

[fossil finch]

donator

[pine star]

aotc intensifies

[crude geode]

indeed
Subsuming Vortex is another example that was very controversial bc muh change

[fossil finch]

Actually what are auric weapons:
Helium flash
Aotc
Midnight sun beacon
Uhhhh
Voltaic climax was retiered too iirc

There aren't auric weapons that theming is completely fake

[hollow shell]

Helium is not an Auric weapon

nor is Midnight Sun

Unless you're talking about upcoming
which, I do not know for sure

[fossil finch]

Damn but they're both still post yharon in 1.5 and we know a total of 0 new weapons for post yharon outside of piky's dev wep

Both beacon and helium are post yharon next update, according to changelogs

[hollow shell]

I see

So yes they would be Auric tier

(There's been a lot to keep track of, these past 10ish months, can't remember it all)

[fossil finch]

Wouldn't be surprised if one of the new items mentioned there is a post yharon weapon for a class that may need it (like rogue or summoner)

(There's not 12 new names in changelogs, ignoring scal's, i think but there's 12 new summon weapons anyways so like, whatever)

[crude geode]

Changelogs being accurate

byeah

[hollow shell]

Some of em are still in testing and haven't made it to changelogs yet, yeah

[crude geode]

Unless more auric weapons are added to compensate for the exo move, the only non-dedicated weapons at that tier will be AoTC, Draedon Weapons, and Hadopelagic Echo.

Midnight Sun Beacon could be considered an Auric Weapon, but it's much more solar eclipse themed tbfh, similar to helium flash.

[fossil finch]

Draed's are cosmilite now

And yharon's drops aren't auric but viable anyways

Also, as i said, voltaic climax was also moved to post yharon

[crude geode]

wacky

[distant gyro]

too many dog weapons too little aurickrol

[fossil finch]

Just retier more weapons

[distant gyro]

darksun tier is dead

must divide

[crude geode]

indeed

#suggestions-voting message
this suggestion's performance is still both normal to me and saddens me. funny ark of the cosmos is barely a melee weapon

[fossil finch]

Didn't a change like that got added

[dim star]

At least we have several actual melee weapons at that tier

[fossil finch]

Like i recall aotc getting like

Nerfed

A lil

[dim star]

I think it was something like the homing on it being nerfed a ton

Since it could literally seek out and destroy anything on screen

[fossil finch]

Good

[crude geode]

a (small) step in the right direction

[fossil finch]

Remove aotc
Day saved

I mean, melee is still encouraged to use the blade with much more damage

Even if they can hold m1 and win

[dreamy fjord]

"melee weapon"

is strictly optimal to never even go close to melee range

at that point just put it into mage class

[crude geode]

even with aotc I'm less concerned about it and more about the garbage that is prismatic breaker

[dreamy fjord]

i mean sky fracture looks like a sword right?

swords can be magic weapons

[fossil finch]

What is prismatic breaker

[dreamy fjord]

isnt it some weird melee/ranger hybrid weapon?

[crude geode]

the most atrocious donator weapon

[dreamy fjord]

where it can be either

[fossil finch]

Quien pijas sos prismatic breaker

[dreamy fjord]

and its literally just a ranger weapon that looks like a sword and can be either class?

[crude geode]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Prismatic_Breaker

[dreamy fjord]

ohhh

so its both melee AND ranged

and its not melee

at all

in any stretch of the word melee

its left click attack is literally a deathray where u hold the sword out and it doesnt even do contact dmg-

[crude geode]

not exactly, it functions like a beam sword with it's right click

[dreamy fjord]

and right click is just a sword that u swing and make a boring ass wave of rainbow bullshit

[fossil finch]

I don't think this one was spared by the rebalance

[dreamy fjord]

so in other words its a mage weapon

but is melee/ranger

why is it melee/ranger when its a mage weapon?

why are the 2 other weapon based classes its class when its clearly the 3rd one?

who knows

[crude geode]

it's recipe is the reason. except the donator apparently wanted it to be ranged only. One of the devs had to fight with them to make it a range/melee hybrid.

[dreamy fjord]

WAIT RANGED ONLY

THE WEAPON

THATS A BEAM SWORD AND A CHARGED BLASTER CANNON

RANGED ONLY

zdjuinbsjiern dnkjbomwn HjbiunH BJHIB WGIJONSIHERNJWIHsnsjmkcibsnjiubnejhiujUI*($)5369uy8ibmbjejsmvj nkj

[crude geode]

chill

[keen zealot]

no he has a right to not be chill

I believe

[hollow shell]

How is this relevant to suggestions

[dreamy fjord]

ok fair enough i think we went slightly off topic

[keen zealot]

that's the actual problem

[hollow shell]

Damn it, now I need to ping the donor

[dreamy fjord]

wait why

oh someone suggested it

[crude geode]

last time we tried this song and dance me and ben got nothing

[dreamy fjord]

nOW we can talk about it

[crude geode]

at least from what I know

[safe oasis]

how would a suggestion to separate the qol and content parts of the mod into two separate mods sound? kind of similar to fargo's souls/fargo's mutant separation, where souls is dependent on mutant but not the other way around

[fossil finch]

It's already a thing

Granted the "calamity qol" mod is fanmade and all

But like

[keen zealot]

officially though

[fossil finch]

There's already a mod that adds exclusively cal's qol stuff

[hollow shell]

@obtuse roost See #suggestions-posting, there's a suggestion about your donor weapon. Are you okay with the suggestion?

[safe oasis]

really? what is it called

[fossil finch]

So such a separation is completely unneeded

Pretty sure it's calamity qol or something

You'll find it if you search calamity

[keen zealot]

they will always be behind actual calamity though

[safe oasis]

Calamity Vanilla Item Recipes?

[keen zealot]

why not streamline the process by making it official?

[obtuse roost]

lemme see

[fossil finch]

Wh

[obtuse roost]

one moment

[fossil finch]

That's stupid

[keen zealot]

and why is that

[fossil finch]

For starters, cal qol isn't that special, unlike mutant's

It's just some recipes most mods share

[keen zealot]

I would die for the new early hardmode progression to be separate from calamity

[fossil finch]

(And fishes ig, but that's so intrinsic to the mod itself is just weird to have them in a separate mod)

That's not qol at all though

[keen zealot]

it's pretty damn quality in my life

[fossil finch]

That's a full on rework on vanilla progression

[obtuse roost]

Hmm. I mean I think the biggest issue with the donor weapon is not so much what is used to make it but how it stacks up to other weapons of it's calibur/tier

[fossil finch]

If such a separation was made it wouldn't include that

Melee is known for being funny

[obtuse roost]

I mean, I'd be fine with Magic Damage, however wouldn't that just make it just another Mage weapon with laser?

[fossil finch]

It's already one of those

[hollow shell]

@crude geode

[hollow shell]

(It's not a mage weapon)

[fossil finch]

Vanilla class damage system is inherently flawed but that's out of scope
I mean, it's already a mage weapon, just not with the mage damage

[obtuse roost]

The appeal was that it was last prism but for melee/ranged users

granted, melee was tacked on via dev suggestion

[safe oasis]

i did not, in fact, find it when i searched calamity

[fossil finch]

Idk then
I still don't think it's a very good idea, as i mentioned above

[fossil finch]

That's more understandable

[safe oasis]

fair ig

[keen zealot]

expand the scope from qol to vanilla related changes

[fossil finch]

Though, in that case it should like
Play into that?
For example: melee has to true melee to trigger the beam, ranger has to uuuhhh waste a shitton of ammo or something

I think it would make the weapon more interesting while keeping that aspect; mage already pays an accslot and a damage nerf for using last prism

[obtuse roost]

An idea that could be cool if you want to spice it up, is that is stays melee damage by default and if you use a special ammo type, maybe the properties of the laser become melee/ranged and become more powerful

[crude geode]

yeah, it's kinda weird that the weapon doesn't really consume anything. also the fact it uses cosmic rainbow, a weapon completely unrelated to the last prism that we've been discussing, is very weird (maybe it's just me). If it's meant to be Last Prism for other classes, why does it use a weapon that does not relate to the beam effect of Last Prism?

[obtuse roost]

I mean doesn't matter to me if you want to tack on last prism over cosmic rainbow

recipe was always kinda up in the air, and both are easy to get by the time you're in the tier of Prismatic Breaker

[crude geode]

Indeed

[hollow shell]

We could have the weapon be Melee, Ranged, and Magic damage types

[crude geode]

[fossil finch]

YEAH AND SUMMON AND ROGUE TOO

[distant gyro]

all 5

[obtuse roost]

might as well become true damage

[dreamy fjord]

i mean

its a joke but

is it the worst idea?

deathray as magic/ranged, the sword slash as melee/ranged or melee/magic?

[obtuse roost]

Idr Prismatic Breaker doing a ton of damage anyhow, even against DoG

[fossil finch]

Rebalance™️ in any case

[obtuse roost]

So I'm wondering if special ammo type would justify a buff in damage, and just have it's current damage as base

kinda like an enhancement system

to make it feel more like a ranged weapon if that is deemed necessary

[dreamy fjord]

u know how aesthethicus or however its spelled scales with all stats?

that

[crude geode]

My most major problem with the weapon currently (that doesn't involve the patreon aspect of it heavily) is just that cosmic rainbow. I think the ammo aspect is something to be considered separately.

[dreamy fjord]

if u add enough classes to it maybe itll eventually become perfectly balanced

[hollow shell]

A special ammo for a single weapon isn't unheard of
A donor weapon at that
(Ice Barrage)

[dreamy fjord]

special ammo would make sense for a ranger weapon, yeah

[hollow shell]

Such a change would have to be put through suggestions first rather than direct request

ironically Ice Barrage is a magic weapon

[dreamy fjord]

ik

i used it to delete yharon

good times

[obtuse roost]

I'm not the only one that thinks that my donor weapon just barely does damage against same tier bosses?

[dreamy fjord]

yeah uh

[crude geode]

it's possible

[dreamy fjord]

ive never heard a single person mention it

as a viable weapon

ever

[crude geode]

but uh post ml balancing lol

[dreamy fjord]

not even once

[hollow shell]

You don't gotta worry about balancing cuz

[obtuse roost]

just when compared to others

[hollow shell]

yeah

[dreamy fjord]

yeah post ML is getting rebalanced

[hollow shell]

all of Post-ML is getting huge stat changes for the next update

[obtuse roost]

I have heard

well

[dreamy fjord]

so hopefully prismatic breaker will be a viable and interesting weapon

[obtuse roost]

maybe it's best to wait for that before then but

[safe oasis]

interesting is debatable, but it might be viable

[dreamy fjord]

imo the ammo idea isnt bad at all

more rangeryness

[crude geode]

if need be, I can try to incorporate the idea of a unique ammo that the weapon burns through quickly to this suggestion

[obtuse roost]

Yea, Idk how this would play out

but it would make it stand out more

[dreamy fjord]

yeah to reference ice barrage again firing the weapon once is like 4 gold or something but its the coolest weapon ever

prismatic breaker deserves similar treatment

[obtuse roost]

I don't want it to be a money sink is the issue

lol

[dreamy fjord]

i mean money is gonna be less needed cuz goblin wont be scammer

he will... ACTUALLY GIVE USEFUL REFORGES (le gasp)

and ice barrage is still worth using cuz bosses usually drop more money than you spend firing it, plus it hits like a bus

[fossil finch]

Donor items were a curse and Calamity is the proof

[crude geode]

how would the ammo be acquired in your eyes

[dreamy fjord]

ehhh i like donor items

[obtuse roost]

I want to say crafted

[dreamy fjord]

theyre usually very different from items of the same tier

crafted ammo sounds fine imo

[obtuse roost]

but it's going to be a grind either way I imagine

[dreamy fjord]

not sure how it would be crafted tho

if it were from an npc

which npc WOULD it be from

i mean ice barrage, the ammo is from permafrost, makes sense, hes a cold boi

but who would sell prismatic breaker stuff

[crude geode]

considering this weapon is meant to be an analogue to the last prism, I think it consuming ammo similar to last prism consuming mana makes sense.

[dreamy fjord]

and if it is crafted, how would it be crafted

[crude geode]

likely cosmilite

[dreamy fjord]

makes sense

it doesnt have to be expensive, just a cool little addition to make it more interesting

[obtuse roost]

I think the base functions are fine on their own

I just think the ammo being used for enhancement

to actually make it useful but not required for the weapon

[dreamy fjord]

lasers always make whatever weapon its on better

u cant make a boring weapon with lasers

it just doesnt happen

[obtuse roost]

the texture for the prismatic laser is kinda alright I suppose

the sword looks great though at least

[dreamy fjord]

thinking about it i suppose its not too weird for it to be melee/ranger

the line between ranger and mage has always been kinda.. blurry?

[obtuse roost]

I like the idea of an enhancement system for the weapon rather than it being just straight up ammo required

[dreamy fjord]

maybe like 2 or 3 ammo types that give different boosts?

[obtuse roost]

don't want to get too crazy lol

[fossil finch]

basically

[obtuse roost]

pretty sure because it's melee, it might be able to be imbued?

could be wrong though

never tried

[fossil finch]

Probably it can be imbued ye

[dreamy fjord]

what type IS it in the code anyway?

im not a codeologist how does it even work

[obtuse roost]

Prismatic Breaker is an enigma

[hollow shell]

Testing in-game would prolly give you a more direct answer
in whether or not it can imbue

(Just make sure you use a flask that doesn't inflict a debuff it already inflicts)

[obtuse roost]

I think talking about balance atm should wait til Calamity update is done

[hollow shell]

Indeed.

[obtuse roost]

Kinda hard for me to gauge how good the weapon will be

[dreamy fjord]

it almost certainly will be balanced after the next update

or at least only slightly above or below average

[obtuse roost]

and what would need to be changed about it

[dreamy fjord]

which is great

[hollow shell]

We shall see

[obtuse roost]

definitely needs a rework

[crude geode]

balancing is indeed wacky, which is why this update has taken a year to come out, byeah

hopefully this works for you

[obtuse roost]

kinda my fault on that

[dreamy fjord]

but i do really like the ammo enhancer stuff

not required to use the weapon, but gives it a buff

[obtuse roost]

yea, maybe even a cool visual change too

just to be a visual tell of when you're using the ammo and when you are not

[crude geode]

I think the analalogue of
high mana cost to be more effective-> more ammo to be more effective
makes a lot of sense tbh

[dreamy fjord]

but ur the donor right? so i suppose what the cool ammo would do, or at least approximately would do, is up to you, right?

[obtuse roost]

well

[crude geode]

It's Complicated™️

[obtuse roost]

I'd need to talk with some devs on this too

[dreamy fjord]

i dont know exactly how it works

[obtuse roost]

obviously

[dreamy fjord]

as long as its balanced, not that hard to do, and not stupid right?

[hollow shell]

The devs have a policy on not changing donor weapons after they're made

At least

not by the donor's request

[dreamy fjord]

oh

oof

[obtuse roost]

I don't want to seem ungrateful for the work that was done anyhow

[hollow shell]

We already have a backlog of items to create
A sizeable backlog

It would be even worse if we had a backlog of reworks too

[dreamy fjord]

ok u have a point

[obtuse roost]

but if enough people want a rework

then bring it to their attention

[hollow shell]

Yeah it can still be suggested through the suggestion channels

[dreamy fjord]

i mean cursed made a suggestion maybe itll get 200 votes

[hollow shell]

(abiding by normal sugg rules)

[obtuse roost]

but someone else will have to come up with what basically what I said and what not

because if it comes from me, that kinda looks bad lmao

but tbf, it was brought to my attention all of a sudden so Idk

[hollow shell]

You will have to be involved with the change in some way

[obtuse roost]

yea

[hollow shell]

as, by policy, suggestions about your item require your permission

[obtuse roost]

I just sorta came up with the enhancement system

on the fly

it would need a lot of discussion

but I'm open to rework as long as at some point there is an open discussion about how it can be done

etc etc

[crude geode]

indeed, I think this is a very good step in making this weapon cooler concept wise as a "range/melee last prism", with the idea of ammunition powering it up

[obtuse roost]

I do agree that I made it kinda awkward

[crude geode]

yeah, but this is definitely interesting to me. people do ocassionally joke that mana is the "ammunition" of mages and vice versa, so actively putting that into practice with a ranged last prism is something to mull over in general.

[dreamy fjord]

and ammunition could generally just add cool effects and a new d i m e n s i o n to the weapon

[obtuse roost]

yea

depth

[dreamy fjord]

dimensions are good honestly

arguably one of the best parts of reality is that its not 0D

[obtuse roost]

I guess I had this idea in my head that since it was a donor weapon, I didn't want to make it too convoluted

than it already was

lol

[tardy smelt]

I've been thinking a bit, and I thought it'd be neat if there were an armor set for each of the Sentinel's drop items

currently there's only one for Storm Weaver (armored shell), whereas Twisting Nether and Dark Plasma are used in next to no recipes- only the cosmic worm and a few weapons throughout progression following the Sentinels tier

[brisk bramble]

Prismatic

Hmm
Maybe it can also fit their Certain aesthetics

Signus is assasin

[tardy smelt]

yeah, that's the Storm Weaver's set

[brisk bramble]

CV is a lliteral Tanky boi

[tardy smelt]

the reason I haven't gone to #suggestions-posting is because I have no idea how to back up this idea

with like- actual reasoning

[brisk bramble]

hmm

[tardy smelt]

"it'd be neat" is not nearly enough to justify the creation of two whole new armor sets

[brisk bramble]

There are going to be couterarguments

[tardy smelt]

well, the thing is that Post-Moonlord is generally pretty barren

especially in terms of armor sets, there's far less options out there than in Pre-Hardmode or Hardmode

so, these extra sets could potentially offer new armor setup options

although it'd be best to put them above the sentinel's tier

[frozen hornet]

signus armor for rogue cv armor for summoner

[brisk bramble]

Cv is more on Defensive armor

Yknow...
Since

[tardy smelt]

It makes sense

[brisk bramble]

Signus Ig is more Offensive

[frozen hornet]

ye

[brisk bramble]

And SW has prismatic

[tardy smelt]

So, considering the power curve flattening these armor sets should last

Like how the glass cannon monstrosity that is omega blue is viable up to Yharon if you use it well

The armor sets should defs be distinguished from everything else at their tier though

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[tardy smelt]

So I think approaching them as gimmick sets could work

[brisk bramble]

Nether Cloak

Void Armor

Prismatic

[tardy smelt]

Also I got an idea for Void armor

The ultimate gimmick tank set

[brisk bramble]

At the cost of Reduced damoooge

[frozen hornet]

Deflects damage done to the player

Mirror blade but armor

[tardy smelt]

Imagine if the set bonus gives you massive DR

[brisk bramble]

yo if your sugg becomes yellow

[tardy smelt]

Like- 80% independently calculated of the rest

But it's tied to a bunch of dark energies that hover around your cursor

[frozen hornet]

but it summons dark enegies that can be killed by enemies

[fossil finch]

Prismatic armor is donor

[frozen hornet]

Just wait until donator items are allowed again

[brisk bramble]

RIV pole warper baby

[frozen hornet]

pillar teleporter

[tardy smelt]

Imo ceaseless armor should be a ranged set

[fossil finch]

Summoner actually

[tardy smelt]

Since that synergises well with the dark energy gimmick

[fossil finch]

Because fuck ranger

[frozen hornet]

Indeed

[fossil finch]

Signus is obviously a rogue set

[frozen hornet]

CV summons dark energies therefore it's summoner :5head:

[tardy smelt]

And ranger has no exclusive POST-ml sets

Summoner does

[frozen hornet]

Fair

Actually summoner doesn't

Fearmonger is all class

[fossil finch]

Fearmonger is all class alt to omega blue

[tardy smelt]

Oh

[brisk bramble]

Id OBA is all class offensive
Regen god, Fearmonger is all class Defensive

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[tardy smelt]

Fearmonger is better framed as cross-class summons

[frozen hornet]

That's changed

[tardy smelt]

It's quite unique now I think about it

[tardy smelt]

Huh?

[frozen hornet]

far less summoner focused now

[tardy smelt]

The set bonus tho

It incentivises you to mix minions with other class weapons

E.g. minion multiclass

Anyhoo

Back to our CV/signus armors

I think everyone agrees on that signus should be a rogue armor

[brisk bramble]

Stealth Rogue Armor

PRimarily

[frozen hornet]

Yes

[tardy smelt]

I think it'd be fair to make it simply a stealth set. Like Titan Heart, but far stronger

[frozen hornet]

Built in spectral veil

[tardy smelt]

Perhaps rogue stealth strike projectiles leave behind homing mines like the void sash dash

[tardy smelt]

This too

[fossil finch]

Spectral veil fucking dies and is never seen again

[tardy smelt]

Maybe like- a TP dash

[fossil finch]

(Spectral veil fucking sucks, give that armor a built in and nobody's ever using spectral veil)

[tardy smelt]

That just insta-warps you straight ahead a few blocks

[tardy smelt]

Also yeah

[frozen hornet]

Lmao fair

[tardy smelt]

Anyway,

[tardy smelt]

.

[tardy smelt]

.

[fossil finch]

Instead

[tardy smelt]

These two ideas seem aight?

[fossil finch]

MAKE IT SYNERGY WITH SPECTRAL VEIL

Yeah they do

[frozen hornet]

Extra projectiles seem basic

[tardy smelt]

Fair

Maybe if worn with spectral veil it grants a second TP that uses the relocator key by default but functions independently with it's own cooldown

That way Spectral Veil becomes slightly more useful

[brisk bramble]

How does Void armor work

[tardy smelt]

Grants massive DR and spawns ceaseless energies at your cursor

The energies can be harmed by enemies

[brisk bramble]

Increases i-frames

[frozen hornet]

Funny SIS tho

[tardy smelt]

And your DR and defense takes hits if you lose any ceaseless energies

[brisk bramble]

But how would that work

With Defense damage

?

[tardy smelt]

Oh um

[fossil finch]

It grants you fucking

[tardy smelt]

It's just the total amount of defense you get from the set that decreases

[fossil finch]

Defense damage immunity

Like

A reduction in general

[tardy smelt]

[fossil finch]

Where you'd have taken like
100 defense damage

You now take 75

Or smt

[tardy smelt]

That could also be one of the effects

[brisk bramble]

reduces Defense damage by 15%

wouldnt that make it powerful

[fossil finch]

Probably but like

[brisk bramble]

Its tanking capabilities can last til Yharon

[fossil finch]

Stats can be tweaked

[tardy smelt]

Yeah

But what class

[fossil finch]

Summoner because;
Tanky summon armor lo!
Dark energies

It would face competition by the armors that actually have dps

[tardy smelt]

Makes sense ye

[tardy smelt]

At the same time though

It's tanking capabilities are nuts so long as you can keep your energies out of harm's way

[brisk bramble]

Immunity to distortion

[tardy smelt]

It would defs create an interesting playstyle

[fossil finch]

Now your mouse has to dodge too, fucker

[tardy smelt]

Enough so to heavily compete with more glass-cannon esquestandard summon armors

[brisk bramble]

Now mouse has a Skill issue

Not me

[tardy smelt]

[brisk bramble]

How about susnus/

How would his Void Armor work

Its like Umbraphile armor

or similar to it?

[fossil finch]

It's a stealth armor that does things related to stealth

[brisk bramble]

what does Prismatic even do?

[fossil finch]

Nothing related to storm weaver, it's a donor mage armor

[brisk bramble]

:/

[tardy smelt]

Lmao

It has funny lasers tho

[fossil finch]

here it goes round and we make an actual armored shell armor for ranger

[brisk bramble]

so
how are ya gonna suggest different Sentinel armor

[tardy smelt]

Good question

Let's first sum up our notes for each armor set

[brisk bramble]

I have a sugg for the storm weaver armor

Bullets can apply the electrified Debuff

Actually
Ig all the sentinel armor can Apply the GSI debuff as well

[tardy smelt]

Void Set
Summoner tank (100 defense)

-provides kb immunity
-immunity to distorted
-decreases defense damage taken (25%)
-slightly increased minion damage (10-15%)
-moderate quantity of extra minion slots (3)
-summons dark energies that follow the cursor that take damage from enemies and projectiles
-energies take a while to despawn after being destroyed
-massive DR calculated independently from normal DR dependent on how many energies are alive (up to 80%)

This ok so far?

[brisk bramble]

Maybe make the minions slots just 3

Cause yknow
Minions are gonna get more dmg in the later update

[tardy smelt]

Aight

Anything on the effects of the armor set?

[brisk bramble]

I guess
-DR increases with the amount of Dark energies you have
(maxes out at 6)

How much DR per Energy?

[tardy smelt]

80/6 = 13.3% DR per energy

I think.

[brisk bramble]

Immunity to the Distorted debuff

[tardy smelt]

Didn't grab a calculator for that

[brisk bramble]

To fit with the CV aesthetic

[tardy smelt]

Lol

This armor is probably gonna make laughingstock out of CV

Since you can just

Sit on him

And he can't do shit about it

[brisk bramble]

And the icon
"A mysterious force Protects you"

How about the Nether Cloak set?

[tardy smelt]

Yeah but that's way too many details for the sugg

[brisk bramble]

mb

[tardy smelt]

Sounds like a cool name

[brisk bramble]

Twisting Nether
So ya-

[tardy smelt]

Makes sense

[brisk bramble]

Sorry, I get into things like these a bit too much

Or Nether Wraith Cloak ig

[tardy smelt]

I like nether cloak better tbh

[brisk bramble]

Ig
byeah

How would Nether Cloak work?

[tardy smelt]

It's a stealth armor for starters

So increased stealth regen, decreased non-stealth strike damage

Also void set will probably synergise well with Final Dawn on Yarhar

[brisk bramble]

Stealth strikes causes projectiles to leave Faux cosmilamps that home in on the enemy-

Cosmic Kunai gets added dmg '

[tardy smelt]

[brisk bramble]

Last one

Armored Weaver set

what class is it?

[tardy smelt]

No idea

Prismatic already exists even if it's fairly unrelated to SW

[brisk bramble]

Maybe just rework Prismatic

idk its up to the donor if its ok or not

[tardy smelt]

Also possible

[brisk bramble]

Im guessing

[tardy smelt]

But let's leave that out of this suggestion

The whole point of it is to add armor sets respectively to CV and Signus to match SW

[brisk bramble]

taking more than 200 dmg reduces DR and defense to 0, drastically increases movement speed, and increases dmg by 50% for 5s?
:lol:

thats gonna be busted

[tardy smelt]

For the Signus or the SW armor

[brisk bramble]

SW

Lol

[tardy smelt]

Also that sounds so terribly glass cannon lmao

[brisk bramble]

Yes it is

[tardy smelt]

Exaggeratedly so

Same could be said about prismatic tho lmao

[brisk bramble]

Wanna make it more ridicolous

Increases Damage the more Defense is lost

[tardy smelt]

[frozen hornet]

No defense damage immunity >:(

[brisk bramble]

How can you have Defense dmg immunity

If it reduces all DR and Defense to 0

and convery it to DMG

[frozen hornet]

No like don't give it defense damagr immunity

[brisk bramble]

lol

Just a Prismatic rework is fine

Go make the sugg LGL

[tardy smelt]

Not yet

[frozen hornet]

Prismatic rework would require the donor's permission

[tardy smelt]

Still got Signus Armor

[frozen hornet]

Watch it be denied because too specific

[brisk bramble]

We got Slime Rain Buff post skeletron to yellow

[tardy smelt]

well, we can phrase it the following way

[frozen hornet]

Make it less specific and have the dark energy stuff as an example of what it can do

[tardy smelt]

first we can frame the gist of the suggestion e.g. "make armor sets for each sentinel matching prismatic"

then explain why that wouldn't be bad to do

then, say that for example here's how you could approach it: >>insert gist of Void and Nether Cloak armor here<<

that way we can still include the ideas we've come up with in the past hour in the suggestion

while not making it an upfront item suggestion

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[tardy smelt]

alright

then let's return to signus armor rq

so, it's a stealth armor

what's the main gimmick of it

[frozen hornet]

That I have no idea

[tardy smelt]

I did suggest the mine thing

[brisk bramble]

Maybe more strategic

[tardy smelt]

yeah

Stealth is generally a matter of strategy anyhow

in any case if we're going to do projectiles at least make them trigger only when the projectile hits

since that means you have to at least aim

or maybe you could have like a pair of cosmic mines that are in line with your cursor relative to the player

[frozen hornet]

What if stealth strikes come from the opposite direction you're aiming and comes towards you,dealing a lot more damage but it can hit you if you don't dodge

This might make it less likely to be accepted tbh

[tardy smelt]

and every time a projectile hits an enemy a pair of mines spawn in the same orientation as they were orientated relative to you

at the moment the projectile hits

maybe you could instead adjust the mines' positions with simply the up button

[frozen hornet]

Mines follow your movement so if you move up it goes up

[tardy smelt]

that would be... interesting

to say the least

[frozen hornet]

Would be hard to utilize

[tardy smelt]

yeah

so the damage output from the mines has to be godly

maybe they're like larger than the void dash mines

and create much larger explosions with an extra beeg area of effect

just for the show

but yeah that could work actually

since like Void it's unusual and requires a lot of skill to use properly

although it can be very powerful if used properly

[brisk bramble]

Yknow those weird square things that flollow you and expand

Kinda like that

[tardy smelt]

which?

[tardy smelt]

is this like- a weapon? on what tier of progression?

oh

yeah!

that could be our mine

[frozen hornet]

ohyea

[tardy smelt]

so uhm

[brisk bramble]

We also have this

[tardy smelt]

that's already used in a summon weapon

[brisk bramble]

Maybe leaves a trail of mini Faux cosmilamps

[tardy smelt]

so, nah

the gist of the armor set could be "stealth rogue armor, summons two cosmic mines on opposite ends of you that align themselves to the direction in which you're moving, each stealth strike hit summons two explosive cosmic mines around the target at the same orientation as the ones next to the player were at that moment"

it's hard to explain in few words lol

[brisk bramble]

Two mines summon

[tardy smelt]

yeah

the mines should also do tremendous damage

[brisk bramble]

This can be a good suggestion yo

but not so much that its overpowered

[tardy smelt]

yeah

just so that it's worth it aligning the mines correctly

since to do that you technically have to be moving synced with your target

which is something... well at least it evokes a unique playstyle much like void armor

it also has to be viable up to Yharon

[brisk bramble]

Yeah
it can be a viable option for stealth rogue

Make it also apply God slayer inferno

[frozen hornet]

why lmao

[tardy smelt]

otherwise it gets replaced after approx 2 bosses like pretty much every other post-ml set

the great thing about armor sets though is that they often give percentage-based stat boosts

[frozen hornet]

Oh right sentinels are mesnt to be post provi

[tardy smelt]

e.g. stat boosts that scale with your weapons

[tardy smelt]

ye

[frozen hornet]

I always fought them pre provi

[tardy smelt]

[frozen hornet]

I think their viability should be left to the devs to decide

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[brisk bramble]

juuuust make em Multiplicative

[tardy smelt]

tho I'd probably like- make the damage the mines deal just equal to that of the weapon that dealt the stealth strike

if the weapon hits more often it'll spawn more mines

it it hits less often it's most likely to have a higher base damage

[brisk bramble]

Utensil Poker exploit

[tardy smelt]