suggestions-discussion

[fossil mural]

as summoner

you can summon a late game dude

[crude geode]

~~dunno why this is in suggestion discussion instead of #other-mod-talk ~~

[fossil mural]

and HOLD a squirrel staff

and the active summon

gets the boost

[brisk bramble]

I was just curious

[fossil mural]

and deals like quintuple damage

because squirrel staffs damage is so low

[brisk bramble]

I see.

[crude geode]

You should still use the correct channels. It's like posting lore questions in #help-advice-read-pins.

[brisk bramble]

Apologies

[fossil mural]

but for other classes, its not as broken

[hollow shell]

yeah anyway

[brisk bramble]

It was just out of curiosity

[hollow shell]

potions

[brisk bramble]

hmm
its hard to manage potions with 22 slots.

[hollow shell]

Well aight technically the potion talk isn't appropriate for this channel either cuz

That's 1.5

[brisk bramble]

Oh

[fossil mural]

i personally like potions being sold, but also bloodorbs make it irrelevant post skeletron

and even less relevant when you get bloodflare armor

[hollow shell]

Blood Orbs are a bitch to gather if you're not playing Death Mode

[crude geode]

^

[grim tusk]

Yes

[brisk bramble]

Should blood orbs be later in the game
after skeletron,, it just makes the Herbs and stuff obsolete

[fossil mural]

laughs in luiafk ultimate battler + fargos battle cry spawn rate boosters

i know that isnt 'intended'

[sleek wadi]

Unless you're in bloodflare or deathmode, you only get like 20 orbs in one moon. Thats uh, only 2 potions

[hollow shell]

It already takes a while to build up a stock of blood orbs so I don't think they need to be tier locked

[fossil mural]

but cranking up the spawn rate to as much as the game can handle

makes blood orbs very plentiful

[brisk bramble]

I see.

[fossil mural]

you can also break bloodorb economy with multiple fishing lines

since theres a fish you can catch

[keen zealot]

calamity doesn't need to compensate for other mods

[fossil mural]

that gives blood orbs

[keen zealot]

since those are not part of calamity

[crude geode]

^

[fossil mural]

and just get thousands of orbs from fishing

[grim tusk]

Xerocrocodile moment

[keen zealot]

I farmed 1000 blood orbs in five minutes with luiafk boosted spawn rates, should calamity then decrease the drop rate for everyone including people who don't use the mod?

[crude geode]

Yes that is another way of obtaining potions, fishing. For crates/blood orbs.

[fossil mural]

fishing for potions is way too rng tho

since its random what pots a crate gives

[brisk bramble]

so that what pots mean

I thought it meant something else

[crude geode]

mhm

[keen zealot]

not every potion can drop from crates either

[fossil mural]

regardless, buying potions good

its good to have options

if you want to herb farm

its not going away

if you want to fish

its not goign away

[crude geode]

Herb farming is completely outclassed by just simply buying potions is the problem.

[hollow shell]

Yeah but the problem is the buying option is way easier than either of those things

[fossil mural]

if you just wanna buy potions and get back to slaying god worms and cthulu moon creatures

then you can buy them

[hollow shell]

This is part of the problem

We do not want the mod/game to feel like a boss rush, where everything you do that isn't a boss fight is just filler

[crude geode]

^^^^^^^^

[keen zealot]

potions are powerful, they're supposed to therefore take effort for the power

buying them circumvents that

[fossil mural]

i almost feel like pots are near mandatory personally, which is why i myself play with unlimited pots from fargos 30 stack

[keen zealot]

and by all means, feel free to do what you want with other mods

[fossil mural]

but i understand the desire many have to engage with multiple parts of the game

[sleek wadi]

Potions I think will serve as a fine money sink in the post-goblin tinkerer era. It has all the right properties of being good, somewhat expensive, and needs to bought over and over. Herbs should be buffed to compete beyond the money saving

[keen zealot]

but by no means expect these skips to be made official

[fossil mural]

and if you can find a way to make herb farming and fishing for potions engaging

that would be dope

but in their current state

[keen zealot]

herb farming happens while aren't there

[fossil mural]

theyre so unengaging id rather just skip them and use unlimited pots

[keen zealot]

fishing happens only when you are

[hollow shell]

I have an idea

Remove potion selling
Make Dryad sell Herb Bag

[keen zealot]

nice

I think there's a stark difference between the two and I would like to see the angler have a useful fish shop, and I can farm herbs on my own

[crude geode]

sounds nice tbfh. gets rid of obnoxious seed farming.

[keen zealot]

staff of regrowth go brrrrr

[fossil mural]

that could work

seed farming is pain

[keen zealot]

herb bags for 50s each (example)

[fossil mural]

the main thing with herb farming to keep in mind

[keen zealot]

trying to get deathweed is a pain in the ass

[fossil mural]

is its exponential

you start with nothing

[keen zealot]

everything else I can handle

[fossil mural]

but if you stick to it long enough

you can have thousands of herbs

[keen zealot]

mhm

[sleek wadi]

Dryad sells herb bag and angler gets a shop that upgrades with quest progression. This shop will have potion ingredient fish

[fossil mural]

its just it takes a bit long to get to that stafe

[keen zealot]

staff of regrowth go brrrr

[crude geode]

Ew.

[fossil mural]

plus mandatory staff of regrowth

[crude geode]

Potion ingredient fish are the reason people fish in the first place.

alongside it being better mining

[fossil mural]

i feel like crates are

[keen zealot]

fishing is fucking boring!

I welcome it

[fossil mural]

skipping smashing altars be like

[sleek wadi]

Fishing already has crates and solid weapons to incentivize itself

[fossil mural]

OH btw

are the hard mode ore changes

going to kill crates

[crude geode]

solid weapons for like early hardmode and that's pretty much it

crates are going to be updated with ores alongside the world

[fossil mural]

ah

[sleek wadi]

Also the shop would scale with quest progress, it wouldn't have every fish from the start so if something isn't there yet you'll still need to fish for it

[keen zealot]

I don't want to fish more! let me fish less!

[fossil mural]

So no more doing this pre hard mode and getting thousands of titanium and adamantite

[keen zealot]

legitimately the only thing that I find boring in base terraria

is the fishing

[frozen hornet]

You can open them after doing the second mech

[keen zealot]

better yet

you can open some right after each boss instead of all at once

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[fossil mural]

Btw I didn't actually sit there and open 5000 crates

I opened like a thousand

And then just sold the rest

I got tired of clicking

[grim tusk]

Good idea

[fossil mural]

And was too lazy to make an autoclicker

[crude geode]

Something I'm gonna quickly point out is that not everyone finds [insert activity] boring. I have a friend who loves fishing in terraria, due to being peaceful/calming, and the fact that it actually is beneficial/irreplaceable gives them something useful to do in downtime between bosses.
It's the same logic behind having a mining speed upgrade instead of having demolitionist sell ore. Let those that don't like an activity do it faster, but don't just completely outclass it with buying from a shop, as that removes the point of the activity in the first place.

Also I think a part of the problem with herbs is that is isn't actually self sufficient, you still have to mine glass which is just annoying and somewhat repetitive.

[frozen hornet]

Make potions give back bottles after being used

[sleek wadi]

Part of the issue with herbs and fishing for potions is that there isn't a lot of stuff you have to wait on in a playthrough or the stuff that is there will be complete by the time you're done with bossing

[crude geode]

that problem isn't with herbs and fishing for potions, it's on terraria/calamity for being a boss rush.

[sleek wadi]

By the time you're finished with mechs and on to plantera, all the life fruit you need should have spawned by now

[crude geode]

relevant repost time

[fossil finch]

If a mechanic doesn't work with the core game then it's problem of the mechanic not being properly applied to the core game i think

Both could be improved anyways

[fossil mural]

also on the note of feeling boss rush-y

i cant help but comment thats just how calamity can feel

especially post moonlord

you usually kill one boss

use hsi drops for next

[fossil finch]

Yeah they're fixing that eventually

[fossil mural]

move to next

mine some ore

[crude geode]

it is indeed a problem that will be fixed Eventually™️

[fossil mural]

farm old bosses for auric

fight scal

[fossil finch]

can you not

[sleek wadi]

There are talks of giving calamity a post-ML subworld to help with that, but thats like 1.6 at least

[fossil mural]

thatd be cool

in general if there were more world changes and stuff between bosses

itd be dope

like the mech ore changes are cool

instead of just rushing through all the mechs and mech alts with basically the exact same gear

[sleek wadi]

Subworld change will probably work best for that as a big part of the reason that post-ML is a bossrush is that you already explored the entire world by the time HM ends and there isn't space to add more in the base world

[fossil mural]

but like currently, theres not really anything to do in the provi-yharon range except kill boss, use drops for next boss, repeat

[hollow shell]

Right after the Draedon update is finished, the next several updates will be focused on fleshing out the world and enemies, with little to no boss focus

[fossil mural]

maybe sneak in an abyss trip

[crude geode]

thank god

[fossil mural]

awesome

[hollow shell]

Of course there'll still prolly be boss changes that come up
but none are planned

(cept resprites)

[fossil finch]

Anyways, as daed said, there's just not much to make in terraria to make up for the wait time of herbs, (plus the random af shit like shiverthorn/deathweed/fireblossom)
Not everyone is willing to make 90 builds to wait for it and fishing is just nowhere near appealing because it's just wait and click with absolutely nothing in between
Minecraft's at least has bubbles and funny afk farms

[fossil mural]

(also if you can find a way to beef up normal enemies post moonlord so i dont look at a normal enemy and it dies 26 times over, thatd be cool)

[crude geode]

abyss is fine as is outside of some polish. Most content in any biome and visited multiple times for various reasons such as armor/material/weapons. And it's all pretty optional.

[hollow shell]

Something like that is planned yes

[crude geode]

cannot wait for buffed moons/eclipse to not be stat bloat

[dim star]

[fossil finch]

Even if you beef them up nothing would really change
Their ais still just kneel over and die at your post moonlord mobility

Exceptions can be made e.g actually new enemies like profaned ones or phantoplasm

[dim star]

People talking about mastermode being stat bloat meanwhile post ml eclise and moon events are that but without a funny pet

[crude geode]

Yeah it's why people don't usually talk about the buffed moons like they're good.

[fossil mural]

buffed moons being bad is why people rush them

get a hundred or so of each mat

and never touch them again

adding to the rushed feeling in general

[hollow shell]

That's more of a reward issue than an enemy issue

[fossil finch]

They're required for progression and weren't hyped up about for 5 months before revealing they're stat bloat+it's also not straight up shitfart at least it's somewhat balanced even if stat bloat to make up for Calamity's wacky curve

[fossil mural]

on the topic of stat bloat, the great flattening will be nice

[crude geode]

indeed.

anyways I think this is far enough away from suggestions that it should be moved to #calamity-update-talk

we've probably been here long enough for it to already have done so

[fossil mural]

#updates-after-draedon-update-talk

but yeah

back to the herbs

[fossil finch]

.

[fossil mural]

i think it would be kinda interesting if you could 'speed up' herbs

like bonemeal in minecraft

that way it isnt necessarily just sitting there and waiting

especially since theres no ways to 'speed up' time

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's something I've thought of before

[fossil mural]

or at least wont be until 1.4 beds

[hollow shell]

We could use a Bone Meal

[crude geode]

the fact that JE didn't give any indication of when herbs bloom is disappointing

Bone Meal would be cool.

Made with Wulfrum Scraps? New resource sink?

[ashen warren]

helou

i have a stupid question

calamity is for 1.4 alpha?

[fossil finch]

Wtf making compost with fucking metal scraps

Epic

[fossil mural]

Some Kind of Techno-Gizmo-Wulfrum-Draedon-Skeletron-Herb-Grow-Inator (name pending)

[hollow shell]

((I also had some renewable Wulfrum craft ideas but that's a separate topic))

[hollow shell]

We don't have plans to update to the 1.4 Alpha, yet

[ashen warren]

:c

ok

[fossil mural]

alpha is too unstable and ever changing

[ashen warren]

:c Ñ triste

[fossil mural]

its useless to port a big mod

[hollow shell]

Maybe once our big Draedon update is finished we can look into it

[fossil mural]

it could break next week

[ashen warren]

ou yea

[sleek wadi]

Wulfrum gizmo that speeds up herb growth would help with both issues of wulfrum shards becoming useless and herbs needing SOME buff

[fossil mural]

tmodloader changes an api call in an alpha hotfix

everything breaks

[ashen warren]

ok

i understand

[fossil mural]

thats the main reason content mods probably wont update

[fossil finch]

I mean api call changes fixes are technically easy to do

It's just replaccement

Byeah, stilm tedious

[fossil mural]

it was more so an example of how ever changing it will be

and unstable

rather than api calls specifically breaking stuff

[ashen warren]

joder necesito saber mas ingles ya no entiendo a los gringos :c

[fossil mural]

it was just the first 'change' that came to my mind

[fossil finch]

Anyways guys epic idea:
Let's shut up

[fossil mural]

something needing to know english to entertain people?

my highschool spanish from years ago is rusty

[sleek wadi]

There was this idea for a refillable potion waaaay back, perhaps having herbs refill these at a lower cost than a standard potion could be an okay buff?

[ashen warren]

a lol

[hollow shell]

Sorry, this is a primarily English-speaking server
(Lo sentimos, este es un servidor que habla principalmente inglés. )

[fossil finch]

No really like take this out of here please

It's wayy too offtopic now

[hollow shell]

Yeah prolly

[ashen warren]

Ñ

xdd

[fossil mural]

that could be interesting

[hollow shell]

ooo that does sound interesting

I actually haven't heard anything like that before

[sleek wadi]

You'd craft this refillable at like, 10 times the cost of the standard potion and after some uses, just toss in 1 herb for a refill

[fossil mural]

unlimited potions but less cheaty

i like it

[sleek wadi]

1 herb specifically as those are what need to be buffed and it still saves time by not needing the fish

[ashen warren]

lui afk

[hollow shell]

That's an example of a cheaty one

Well, mostly

[fossil mural]

yeah luiafk and fargos 30 stack are cheaty

and luiafk unlimited buff is super cheaty

well level of cheatiness varies person to person

but yeah

this would be filling the same niche

but gives herbs a use

which im down for

craft a more expensive version of a pot but it can be refilled

[ashen warren]

but luiafk is cool and you have to find 30 potions of regeneration and you can made the infinite regeneration potion

ggez

[hollow shell]

Yeah, it does indeed have a cost

[ashen warren]

you need to farm ou yea

[hollow shell]

but considering how many potions you can potentially go through in a playthrough
that ends up being a LOT of materials saved

just 30 potions versus however many dozens you would normally craft

[sleek wadi]

Calamity expects you to use potions on rev+ right? Or is that just death

[hollow shell]

(and at all times, too. Including exploration)

I assume that for Rev+ yes

I'm not a tester though

[keen zealot]

some pots on rev, all on death

[ashen warren]

and for lazy people like me the hellevator car is cool

[keen zealot]

you only really need the better pots on rev, mainly cadence and stims, and then the rest make it a little easier

[ashen warren]

auto hellevator

my inglish suck

[fossil mural]

ehhh

[ashen warren]

and you dont need to farm

[fossil mural]

its highly player skill dependent

[keen zealot]

yepp

[fossil mural]

some people can get buy without extra pots

other people really need every pot they can fit in 22 slots

[keen zealot]

but if you're bad enough to outright need every single pot you probably shouldn't be playing rev at all

[fossil mural]

eh

theres exclusive loot to it

and its the intended experience

[keen zealot]

the exclusive items pool has been repeatedly cut down

next update there will not be such a pool I'm told

[fossil mural]

i think its better to 'dumb down' (and still suffer lol) with QoL mods and potions and still see mechanics exclusive to rev

than just play on normal and expert

and never see them

trust me even dumbed down, it can still be difficult

[keen zealot]

there is a very fine line between difficult and not

[fossil mural]

rev yharon took me ~15 tries even with wing slot and combination potions / unlimited buffs

it was by no means 'easy'

[grim tusk]

Yes, all of the test logs even list the potions used.
Keep in mind they do not use stuff like effigies, and anything sold by Cirrus

[keen zealot]

ever used campfires or heart lanterns? those are more impactful than most potions

[fossil mural]

i use luiafk unlimited buffs so i have that stuff at all times

[grim tusk]

Campfire is useful but not better than most potions, heart lantern (and maybe star in a bottle) on the other hand.

[sleek wadi]

Alright so we got pretty strong reasoning to make potions super accessible.

If you're expected to have potions in the difficulty calamity is designed around, they better damn well be easy to access.

[keen zealot]

The Cozy Fire buff increases nearby players' current healing rate by 10%, and adds an additional constant 0.5 health-per-second
Heart Lamp buff provides nearby players with a constant 1 health-per-second

preeeeetty much equal in power, arguably campfire's better in calamity

both together constitute a more tangible benefit than over half of all vanilla potions

[hollow shell]

@pliant dome You could prolly cut down on the amount of "it'd be funny" and "it'd be cool"

Focus more on the uselessness of the Slime Rains

especially at any point past pre-boss

SG in Slime Rains would make em useful throughout more of PreHM and actually give you some profit and materials out of it, as opposed to KS's just.. lot of gel

(Difficulty is a good point too yeah considering KS is one of the weakest bosses in the game, SG is difficult for longer.)

[frozen hornet]

Slime rain but it drops purified gel

[crude geode]

I mean if you look at goblin invasion it's also pretty useless after a certain point (until it gets buffed in Hardmode)

also this sounds incredibly annoying tbh

[still zodiac]

devs do know how post-ML is just a glorified boss rush which they will address in the future updates

[brisk bramble]

Lets say
SG spawns during slime rain

Would it be a Buffed SG?

[tardy smelt]

that'd be pretty cool

kinda like how some bosses from polarities have unique counterparts when summoned during specific events (such as the crim/corrupt spider having a blood moon variant and the beeg pixie having an eclipse variant)

though, making slime rain have a summon item like most other events would be a welcome complementary change

[ashen warren]

How about a slime god themed slime rain that has enemys that drop purified and blighted gel and then at the end fight a buffed slime god also it would be in hardmode

[frozen hornet]

Slimes wouldn't be able to do much with HM mobility

Also neithet blighted gel nor purified gel have much use outside of the time you get them

[earnest raptor]

Make them have same AI as Slime God, but faster.

Like flying part and stomp jumps.

[crude geode]

@frail mantle Could you exclaim the latest sugg? It's reasoning is really just "it'd be cool" currently which isn't the best for a suggestion.

[ashen warren]

Or maybe a slime god like mini boss sort of like the plaguebringer and the pbg

[brisk bramble]

is it ok if I elaborate the SG sugg?

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[brisk bramble]

Should it be
Buff Slime Rain Post Plant or smthin?
which is a suitable position for the slime rain to be buffed?

[tardy smelt]

nah

or wait

ignore me for a hot moment I need to rustle up my rusty brain

[brisk bramble]

ey take your time to de rust it.

[tardy smelt]

maybe you can fight this buffed slime rain as soon as you get the SG summoning item

and you can trigger it by first summoning a slime rain through it's own item, and then using the SG summon during it

[brisk bramble]

Hmmm

Wouldnt that conflict with like Pre hm progress?

[tardy smelt]

true.

that's a minor issue

maybe you can craft the SG summon item into this buffed slime rain summon sometime later down the line

using mid-hardmode materials

however much like OD the whole affair is entirely for those who seek to challenge themselves

you can do fine without ever bothering to actually challenge this buffed slime rain

[brisk bramble]

makes sense
However
would SG in mid hm have different attacks

As well as some conflicts with BR here and there?

As well with diff drops n such

[tardy smelt]

mmm

I'd say yes

from a lore perspective you could say that he absorbs the matter of every slime you kill during the event

[brisk bramble]

there is gonna be alot of workaround for it to work-

[tardy smelt]

mmyea

[brisk bramble]

gramma

[tardy smelt]

speing

[brisk bramble]

But yeah
it would take lots of tinkering n such

[tardy smelt]

perhaps an approach like that of Polarities could work

[brisk bramble]

a wha?

[tardy smelt]

polarities is a mod

[brisk bramble]

Oh.

What it do?

[tardy smelt]

there's a few hardmode bosses that when summoned during specific events change drastically

to the point where they're pretty much their own bosses

[brisk bramble]

I see.

That would work

[tardy smelt]

yeah

though, this isn't exactly the same

it's more like that the proportion of normal SG to buffed slime rain SG would be sort of comparable

[brisk bramble]

And BR SG can be both

[tardy smelt]

yeah

[brisk bramble]

hmm
Make Slime Gods a boss for a buffed Slime Rain event

or smthin idk wording might be wrong

[tardy smelt]

well...

see- I think that simply raising the stats of all slime summoned during the normal slime rain won't do

[brisk bramble]

Adding other slimes

[tardy smelt]

even if you slap an improved Slime Gods at the end

[brisk bramble]

Perennial
Cryo

The jungle ones

[tardy smelt]

yeahh

[brisk bramble]

The Lava,
The Crim and the corrupt slime

King slime can be a mini boss

[tardy smelt]

the event could play into the life alloy

[brisk bramble]

Yeah-

[tardy smelt]

and it's substitutes

or the different "elements" that have their own plate types (plagueplate, navyplate, solarplate etc.)

there's a lot of thematical directions you could go towards

[brisk bramble]

Cinder plate

[tardy smelt]

ops :(

[brisk bramble]

But here comes another issue

Queen Slime..?

Idk I know I should nottalk about 1.4 content

[tardy smelt]

fuck 'em

Queen Slime already has its own thematics

[brisk bramble]

Alr.

[tardy smelt]

being basically just hallowed king slime

much like slime gods and king slime are only distantly related

[brisk bramble]

oh yeah
the aero Slimes as well

So in conclusion

[tardy smelt]

tarragon slimes

[brisk bramble]

Thats...just Ueilbloom slimes

[tardy smelt]

yeah but they do have ginormous stats

[brisk bramble]

I s e e

Ancient Tarragon armor

[fossil finch]

For ya'll: how are ore slimes evaporating and condensating again to fall like rain?????

[ashen warren]

If a buffed slime rain summon is made it should be crafted with life alloy if it’s post golem or souls and essence if it’s a post wof

[brisk bramble]

Make em do damage in Death mode

[fossil finch]

What does that have to do with my question

Slimes currently present in slime rains are surface forest slimes composed mostly of gel, so them evaporating to then fall down (only explanation possible as to why slimes fucking rain) doesn't make sense for ore slimes+ore slimes are boring anyways (and slime rain buff at some point of progression is kinda unneeded)

[brisk bramble]

I guess.

[fossil mural]

Nah slime rain is a storm wind picking up a mass of slimes

And it falls down

Like how wind can carry slimes in 1.4

[fossil finch]

That's a pretty fucking chungus storm then

My evaporating thing makes more sense imo
Because if it was simply a storm, slimes from other biomes would get affected yet they don't appear in slime rain

[fossil mural]

Slime tornado when

[ashen warren]

Slimeclone

Or sliclone

[fossil finch]

Sclime actually

[ashen warren]

Wdym sclime

[fossil finch]

sclime is the best option here

plays with "climate" and with cyclone at the same time

[ashen warren]

I was thinking of sliclone as a mini boss and maybe tier two of slime rain as slimate change or oozing hurricane

[earnest raptor]

Raw, Unfiltered Jelly

[full pivot]

would the desert to be given its own unique drop (probably one which is only obtainable in hm) that only desert enemies (but ALL desert enemies) drop be allowed

[hollow shell]

Are you drawing equivalence to something existing?

[full pivot]

yeah

like how astral has stardust, hell, the sky and the ice biome have the essences, hallowed has souls of light/unholy essence, world evil has souls of night etc.

i feel like the jungle doesnt need one since theres already lots of things that can be gotten

[tardy smelt]

mmm nah

especially not from enemies

[full pivot]

but the desert doesnt feel like theres much of a reason to do much in it after wall of flesh is killed

[frozen hornet]

Dark and light shards smh

and GSS post plantera I know these don't really count since they're not common enemies

[full pivot]

oh yeah ig

i wont suggest it for now, if i think of something to add onto it i'll do that

[hollow shell]

Desert could use one I guess
Not really needed cuz there are a good few desert-themed mats already
Antlion Mandible, Desert Fossil, Forbidden Fragment

[fossil mural]

They're mostly crammed into early game and early hardmode though, tbf

[ashen warren]

Sand dust

[crude geode]

Forbidden Fragments are only used for early hardmode

[ashen warren]

All desert enemies just drop sand

There fixed the suggestion

[crude geode]

Desert has more than the ocean at least. Ocean just has two bosses in it for arena purposes, and then you can not touch it again.

[hollow shell]

Quite true

[frozen hornet]

That's still early hardmode isn't it

[grim tusk]

Craftable early hm, used the whole game

[hollow shell]

It's reusable is the thing

Yeah

[crude geode]

also gets upgraded late hm

[frozen hornet]

mmh fair

[grim tusk]

Yes, but shattering pots need crumbling pots to be crafted

[ashen warren]

Forbidden cube

[grim tusk]

Unless the overpriced blood orb recipe

[ashen warren]

Made of forbidden fragments

They are fragments but of what

[frozen hornet]

Forbidden knowledge

[crude geode]

It’s likely the sand elemental’s core, not meant to be used by humans/mortals

[ashen warren]

Forbidden cube filled with the darkest not known to humanity secrets like when the draedon update will be released and why the halibut cannon powerful lore wise

[crude geode]

Sounds like material bloat

[ashen warren]

They are fragments of exodia

[hollow shell]

ok stop

[crude geode]

mhm yeah anyways there’s already several materials that Rover mentioned that you could expand if you desperately need an omnipresent resource sink material like stardust/essences/souls. I really don’t think adding one is necessary for the desert. Not every biome has to be relevant throughout all of pre-hm, hm, and post-ml.

To compile everything,
A Whole Boss and Antlion Mandibles Pre-HM
Desert Fossils (currently) Mid-Late Pre-HM
Forbidden Fragments and Dark/Light Shards early HM
Great Sand Shark Late HM

[ashen warren]

Ok

[tardy smelt]

sand shark more like mid-late hardmode

[red anvil]

I have a suggestshun: calam should be open-source on github

[lunar sky]

no

[fossil finch]

Not happening

[hollow shell]

Nah
Devs are protective of their code

[fossil finch]

(Simply do not want to)

[hollow shell]

Both because people would likely steal it for their own mods and because people would criticize it in order to berate Fabsol

[red anvil]

ok

[fossil finch]

Pr's from the public can be useful every now and then, but i wouldn't doubt that github would get flooded with meme prs or low quality ones

[red anvil]

but is taking code for more mods really that bad?
if a mod is a complete copy of calam then the devs can shut it down (i think)
but mostly it'll help create more mods

the fargo's mod is open-source, and it's helped me a lot

[fossil finch]

Considering Calamity's size there would probably be a lot of mods copying shit right away and that has to be moderated by tmod guys, probably wouldn't be a nice situation for either

[red anvil]

makes sense

[fossil finch]

+if someone really wants to see the code there's ways to compile it, don't share that publicly though

[red anvil]

ok thanks

[ashen warren]

I would only want to use the mod’s code so I can make supreme calamitas sprite into supreme drip calamitas

[fossil finch]

You can do that already easily and without access to Calamity's code at all

[ashen warren]

Oh how

I saw a mod with supreme drip calamitas but it was just the sprite on a zombie

[fossil finch]

You have the sprite, and make a mod that calls for calamity and tells to replace scal's sprite with that thing
You just have to know scal's internal name
I don't know more, i don't code

[ashen warren]

Oh cool

So basically I could make a calamity texture pack if I wanted to

[fossil finch]

Yeah

[ashen warren]

Wow

[hollow idol]

Yeah (I could help make that later if you want it)

[red anvil]

yeah that's actually easy

you just override the sprite

and link to yours

but i think you need to know where the sprite is located in calamity?

wait

no, you don't

[ashen warren]

I think I would just revert slime god back into tide pod and make scal into either supreme clam or supreme drip scal

[hollow idol]

na

[red anvil]

you just need id then?

[hollow idol]

yea

[red anvil]

k

[ashen warren]

Don’t some items share the same id

[hollow idol]

no

[red anvil]

i dont think bosses will
and its not possible for items to share the same id

[ashen warren]

Like when you put something in a weapon rack and comes back as dirt block or something

[ashen warren]

Ofc not bosses

But items

[fossil finch]

That's a bug

[grim tusk]

thats a tmod bug

[grim tusk]

and no

[stoic urchin]

will the silva revive be able to recharge without dying in the next update? because that was a pretty stupid mechanic. you should never HAVE to die to reset something

[hollow idol]

(you can exit and reenter the game to bring it back I think)

[fossil finch]

you indeed can

[minor ore]

not really an effective solution if you take multiplayer into account, but it’s multiplayer so.

[keen zealot]

would be cool if the silva revive recharged after sleeping in a bed long enough to skip time once we get into 1.4* since you can't really do that during combat anyways

just saves a death

until then idk

[twilit warren]

does anyone know why the most recent sugg was flagged

[fossil finch]

lack of reasoning i believe

[twilit warren]

ic

[hollow shell]

Yeah, I pinged them to fix some of their wording and elaborate more

but, they never edited or responded

[hollow shell]

@pliant dome Did you see my feedback?

[twilit warren]

i think its a good idea i remade it

[hollow shell]

That

is not the recommended thing to do

[twilit warren]

you can flag it if you want

[hollow shell]

Now there are two nearly-identical suggestions in posting

when there could be one

with one receiving edits requested from others

[fossil finch]

yeah this bloats and splits votes normally

[twilit warren]

i see your point. however, it has already been flagged and it doesn't seem like the original poster is going to change it. Also, mine is slightly different because the original wants it to always happen in rev+ whereas mine wants it to happen in all difficulties past skeletron

if the original is edited i will take mine down

[fossil mural]

op could just be busy

from a quick search, the user hasnt really sent a message here since posting that

so they presumably havent seen any of the feedback or pings

give em time

[hollow shell]

Tis strange that they are online, despite that

[pliant dome]

Oh I didn't know I was supposed to edit it

Pepega

[grim tusk]

Sugging this here to make adjustments before actually posting in #suggestions-posting so that i can post it there without any trouble later

Rework Momentum Capacitor
This obscure stealth item sold by Bandit after mechs is very bad and is usually outperformed by things like electrician's glove, old die, rogue emblem and raider's talisman for a damage boost. I'll quickly make a summary of why its bad.

Why does it suck so much in current version?
Its radius is very small making it unusable for hitting moving targets, it also cannot be repositioned until the area ends.
Its speed boosting capabilities arent noticeable at all unless using weapons with slow projectiles like Star of Destruction, Regulus riot, Terra Disk, and spikeballs in general.
And the damage boost it provides is the same as an emblem, and other items such as old die, electrician's glove, ruin medallion and corrosive spine have gimmicks that make them better to use.
Overall its not worth using EVER.

How could it be improved?
(options, tell me what could be the best option here before sending it in about an hour to #suggestions-posting )

• Massively increasing the radius of the effect and allowing it to be repositioned will help a lot to make the accessory more useful overall.
• Making the effects of the ring no longer require stealth and it being on the cursor instead; nerfing its bonuses to compensate (might have issues in MP)
• Increasing the ring's size by a bit and if the projectile is a spam projectile it'll convert it into its stealth variant without any other boost and give it a speed boost; stealth strikes that go through it will instead just receive the usual boosts
• (another but probably the worst option): Ditch the field gimmick entirely and just make it provide its bonuses (nerfed to compensate) at all times

[round ravine]

I don't think I've seen anybody do this before.

[hollow shell]

This all looks fine

You could include all of those improvement possibilities

[crude geode]

The third one sounds like “stealth but without the build requirements” but I haven’t looked at the requirements for momentum capacitor as of late

[fossil finch]

momentum consumes your stealth and makes a field thing that boosts projectiles

[crude geode]

Yeah I know the boost just not what it needs in terms of stealth meter

[grim tusk]

Rework Momentum Capacitor
This obscure stealth item sold by Bandit after mechs is very bad and is usually outperformed by things like electrician's glove, old die, rogue emblem and raider's talisman for a damage boost. I'll quickly make a summary of why its bad.

Why does it suck so much in current version?
Its radius is very small making it unusable for hitting moving targets, it also cannot be repositioned until the area ends.
Its speed boosting capabilities arent noticeable at all unless using weapons with slow projectiles like Star of Destruction, Regulus riot, Terra Disk, and spikeballs in general.
And the damage boost it provides is the same as an emblem, and other items such as old die, electrician's glove, ruin medallion and corrosive spine have gimmicks that make them better to use.
Stealth's viability being inconsistent doesn't help either
Overall its not worth using EVER.

How could it be improved?
The gimmick is a good concept but it needs some improvements:

Increasing the radius of the effect by a substantial amount, the duration of the field and allowing it to be repositioned will help a lot to make the accessory more useful overall.
Additionally if the idea ain't good enough, if possible it could be made if the projectile is not a stealth strike it'll convert it into its stealth variant without any other boost besides a velocity increase; stealth strikes that go through it will instead just receive the usual boosts instead.

Alternatively allow the player to place multiple fields at once, placing more than the limit will destroy the first field.
If a projectile passes through multiple fields they will receive a smaller additional boost per field; the projectiles would not be boosted by the same field more than once. This would make it more versatile in its placement by having multiple fields at once and open possibilities for rogue players daring to experiment

[grim tusk]

30% of your stealth to place it

[crude geode]

wow that sounds like better ruin medallion with the “might delete” one

[grim tusk]

ruin medalion gives boosts and stealth strikes will have their usual boosts, that option will not give anything but speed to projectiles turned into stealth strikes

added a second idea, might work kinda like Ultrakill's ricoshot's dmg increasing mechanic but less busted

i removed the field in cursor one cuz that does not sound good for MP at all

[crude geode]

6% increased damage and crit chance isn’t too terribly good, at least not compared to ten seconds of all your attacks being stealth strikes. Especially with faster firing weapons that normally take a lot of work to make function with stealth.

[grim tusk]

50% stealth cost reduction is fucking massive though

and at that point you've shadow potion, twins lore, silent reforge, mirrage mirror, etc

you can actually regen stealth quite fast with the help of medalion due to it halving the cost of stealth strikes

[crude geode]

Yes but next update you balance that out by losing some damage.

[grim tusk]

it will still be an icrease

same effect as glove of recklessness has now

[crude geode]

If momentum capacitor takes 30% of your stealth and gives you ten seconds of stealth strikes, it’s gonna outperform ruin medallion as well. And if you can permanently keep it up with that regen what’s the point of actually using ruin medallion.

[grim tusk]

it takes 30% stealth, and projectiles converted into stealth will not get boosts other than speed

[crude geode]

Are they buffing it next update?

Cuz it currently takes 30% according to wiki

[grim tusk]

lemme open tmod, pretty sure its 15%

its 30 my bad

[crude geode]

It’s chill

[crude geode]

Are you saying they would only get the bonus effects of the stealth strike itself, and not the damage bonuses that stealth strikes get? If so that could probably be made more clear.

[grim tusk]

indeed

if possible it could be made if the projectile is not a stealth strike it'll convert it into its stealth variant without any other boost besides a velocity increase; stealth strikes that go through it will instead just receive the usual boosts instead.

[crude geode]

“without any other boost” is unclear terminology to me but it could just be me

Because you then use the term “will instead just receive the usual boosts instead”, implying that the 15% damage boost is what you mean.

[grim tusk]

stealth strikes that go through it will instead just receive the usual boosts instead.

we can all agree the field is small tho (player for scale)

[crude geode]

Indeed

I agree with the suggestion itself for sure

I wonder if giving some homing to attacks that go through it would be op or not

[grim tusk]

giving homing would prob be op lmao

[distant gyro]

so is turning the projectiles into a stealth strike

[grim tusk]

i wonder how busted you made em in test versions

cuz with current version (which is where we should base suggestions) it wont have any substantial impact

unless its skyfin bombers or some other known to be op SS

oh well i guess i'll need to make a revision

[distant gyro]

use it with eradicator

explode everything

[grim tusk]

Rework Momentum Capacitor
This obscure stealth item sold by Bandit after mechs is very bad and is usually outperformed by things like electrician's glove, old die, rogue emblem and raider's talisman for a damage boost. I'll quickly make a summary of why its bad.

Why does it suck so much in current version?
Its radius is very small making it unusable for hitting moving targets, it also cannot be repositioned until the area ends.
Its speed boosting capabilities arent noticeable at all unless using weapons with slow projectiles like Star of Destruction, Regulus riot, Terra Disk, and spikeballs in general.
And the damage boost it provides is the same as an emblem, and other items such as old die, electrician's glove, ruin medallion and corrosive spine have gimmicks that make them better to use.
Stealth's viability being inconsistent doesn't help either
Overall its not worth using EVER.

How could it be improved?
The gimmick is a good concept but it needs some improvements:

Increasing the radius of the effect by a substantial amount, the duration of the field and allowing it to be repositioned will help a lot to make the accessory more useful overall.

Alternatively/Additionally allow the player to place multiple fields at once, placing more than the limit will destroy the first field.
If a projectile passes through multiple fields they will receive a smaller additional boost per field; the projectiles would not be boosted by the same field more than once. This would make it more versatile in its placement by having multiple fields at once and open possibilities for rogue players daring to experiment.

final revision; hopefully

next revisions will go into #suggestions-posting cuz im probably flooding chat at this point

[crude geode]

Prolly lmao

[dapper coral]

mfw this is only like the third time i've ever heard of this accessory

[scarlet vector]

which says a lot about it

[dapper coral]

momentum capacitor has not been mentioned in dev (where i can see it, anyways) in over a year

so i'd think this is well warranted

[scarlet vector]

the item's ability is pretty interesting and actually really cool tbh, unfortunate that it's not viable as it stands

[keen zealot]

For a way to reposition it, it might be simple and straightforward to move to cursor on right click

and to prevent anyone from tracing a projectile with it, give it a cooldown between movements, maybe even just a second could be long enough

[crude geode]

problems with right click on weapons would arise

[grim tusk]

Binding it to any key is enough

If you want to use RC bind it to that i guess

I personally use T

[cobalt pewter]

Rogue accessory moment

[brisk bramble]

Since titanium is locked under mech bosses

Would that make Frost armor and otger armors obsolete because of daedelus

[hollow shell]

That's assuming that Daedalus will be directly superior to them even in 1.5

[sleek wadi]

I heard all of the not-titanium hm ore armors were getting new set bonuses too, wondering if anything is happening to frost

[brisk bramble]

So Hm ore armors are gettimg Buffed?

[frozen hornet]

yis

[brisk bramble]

I see.

And frost armor is gon be a diff tier?

[hollow shell]

It and Forbidden will still be crafted with Titanium/Adamantite

[brisk bramble]

I was thinking of a gimmicky mode that can still up a challenge

Mutation

Basically an added twist to something

Kinda like Xeroc's curse in Boss rush n stuffs

[crude geode]

extra difficulties cringe tbh. take a lot of work, especially since malice is already getting added.

[brisk bramble]

I see.

[ashen warren]

Acidwood Furniture

[fossil finch]

Wow so requested
@spriters well you hear it Sprite all acidwood furniture

[ashen warren]

😎

[crude geode]

The truth is that suggestions getting 👍 is a scam

[fossil finch]

I mean someone has to make the sprites

And all

[crude geode]

Indeed

[ashen warren]

Wait was there a green check before or was there never one

[buoyant idol]

I have an idea for a suggestion, what if the sentinels replaced the cosmic guardians in phase 1 DoG

[safe oasis]

sentinels don’t make the fight much harder though

you just shred them in 2-3 seconds and move on

[buoyant idol]

True

But it would make them more part of the fight

[safe oasis]

true, might require an hp buff to be actually worth something

[buoyant idol]

True, possibly normal health?

Also the sentinels are harder than the cosmic guardians

[fossil mural]

I'm not sure if adding the sentinels to phase 1 will really do much

I'd rather they just keep the "in between" phase fights

On repeat encounters

Imo it makes DoGs fight as a whole feel much more... complete?

(plus it makes the epic music better when phase 2 starts)

[buoyant idol]

It does provide an atmosphere in the transition

[eternal escarp]

@hoary nebula you need to format your suggestion correctly

otherwise the bot cannot take your suggestion

welp

happaned when i pinged

[hoary nebula]

Working on it

[eternal escarp]

ye

[hoary nebula]

I really like the fishies and I tried to code it myself but I am very rusty so I failed miserably

[grim tusk]

This sounds as something for another mod

Also you can kinda use item frames for that

At least for vanilla fish

[hoary nebula]

I wanted to enjoy the calamity fish in aquariums and I tried to create the code myself but I haven’t coded i 10 years and I am rusty. As such I just tossed the suggestion into the hat and hope for the best. If it won’t happen then I will do it as a side project for myself and try to get it working within a year. As I don’t know if others think the same I just tossed it into the hat

[grim tusk]

That you couldnt code it doesnt mean Cal should do it

Heck i still havent coded the bonemeal i once discussed here

[hoary nebula]

I know it’s just a harmless suggestion not a demand. I thought others might enjoy it too so I suggested it.

If they don’t I will figure it out myself

[heady storm]

"Why Calamity" is what Storm tried to say just now.

[hoary nebula]

Ah

Because it might be fun?

If it isn’t no problem

[heady storm]

"Why not some other mod/developer, why specifically one of the largest content mods on the planet."

[hoary nebula]

Because it’s specifically about the calamity fish? Heck it was just a suggestion. If it’s a hassle it can just be ignored. I looked through the older suggestions and saw some for furniture. I thought asking if it was possible for the calamity fish (just the calamity fish to be clear) to get a aquarium would be reasonable but if i crossed some unknown boundaries then by all means ignore it and me

[grim tusk]

You didnt specify that just Cal fish

[heady storm]

^

[hoary nebula]

I thought it was obvious

[grim tusk]

Also most fish are used in potions

[heady storm]

May we please get the ability to display all of the fish we catch
Fish from what.

[grim tusk]

Not just selling em

[hoary nebula]

I mean this is the calamity server

[heady storm]

Hundreds of suggestions as vague as this come by every single day, most not relevant to Calamity regardless.

[hoary nebula]

Ah i see the error corrected it

[grim tusk]

Yea but you can still sugg improving vanilla stuff as long as its not something major/overly specific (kind of like you just did)

[hoary nebula]

Basically I just asked for the calamity fish in a fish bowl

Nothing more

[grim tusk]

Heck this is something more for like Calamity’s vanities and not the main mod

[hoary nebula]

There is a vanities mod?

[heady storm]

That does indeed exist.

[grim tusk]

Yes #other-discords

[hoary nebula]

Huh i see. I was not aware of that. I shall take a look at it

[heady storm]

For when you wanted something that looked cool and was related to Calamity ever so slightly.

[hoary nebula]

Should I delete the suggestion?

[heady storm]

Do whatever you want. =P

[hoary nebula]

Deleted it

[ashen warren]

Calamity’s vanities is necessary if you like pets, building, and vanity

[hoary nebula]

Oki i shall look at it

[hollow shell]

@surreal drum You could clarify that you specifically mean the Rev+ minions that are also named Desert Scourge
Because he spawns Dried Seekers as minions in all modes, which your suggestion could be confused with

[surreal drum]

Oh, tnx for mentioning, I forgot that they spawn only on rev+

[hollow shell]

👍

[eternal escarp]

@still minnow you need to format your suggestion correctly and give proper reasoning

[still minnow]

how do I do this?

[eternal escarp]

and Staff of Blushie is a dev weapon which would likely need the permission of the dev

[still minnow]

Oh, ok

[eternal escarp]

Shift + Enter makes a line break

[earnest cape]

it's a reference to blushie mod with the sprites being.... well being underwhelming let's say

[robust lava]

Isn't it a don't to ask for resprites based solely on the sprite's quality?

[earnest cape]

time to check

don't mind the half assed cropping

[robust lava]

(I checked before I sent the message so I didn't look like a dumb if I was wrong)

[frail mantle]

also i'm pretty sure the weapon itself has been resprited in 1.5

[still minnow]

Wait, what?

That is good to hear

[earnest cape]

so uh

yeet sugg iirc?

[frail mantle]

i think so yea

[still minnow]

let me delete it

[eternal escarp]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Demon_Flames from this list it seems like most bosses arent actually immune to it (while bosses around the tier of the weapon are, that is possible to change in 1.5 due to some changes)

[frozen hornet]

Boss immunities are changed in 1.5 anyways,it's likely demon flames was taken into consideration as well

[spring lantern]

btw its balanced because Ceaseless Void has 600 hp, but that's obvious that you can oneshot it with a Mutant's armor's debuff

[eternal escarp]

but that's obvious that you can oneshot it with a Mutant's armor's debuff
why is this even related?

[spring lantern]

powerful debuff, which deals >400 hp per second - this is only about 2 debuffs in modding. Demon Flames and Hellfire(I'm sorry these are just most familiar debuffs with a lot of damage)

[frail mantle]

yea but mutant armor isn't calamity

[eternal escarp]

and in any case we never talked about CV specifically tbh

[robust lava]

And Ceaseless isn’t going to be quite as much of a “Funny Boss ™️”in 1.5 anyway #changelogs message

[tardy smelt]

lessee what the power curve flattening will make of those values

[ashen warren]

Just asking what is happening to my suggestion like was it rejected or are the people looking at it

[short walrus]

What was yours?

[ashen warren]

Acidwood furniture

[short walrus]

It's in voting, and its got past the 200 mark

Nothing else tho

[ashen warren]

Yeah but it’s been like that for a while and also they said something about it earlier but I was getting mixed signs so I still don’t know

[eternal escarp]

it takes time for the devs to actually look at the suggestions

[distant gyro]

it has been suggested before

[eternal escarp]

and yeah its a pretty frequent suggestion

(at this point, could be added to the document maybe?)

[fossil finch]

Just get someone to sprite it add it and fart away i think

[distant gyro]

I think it's 10 to add to the doc

even though it's not getting more adds because the doc is dormant

there's 4 acidwood placeable suggestions

[brisk bramble]

I have a suggestion

[grim tusk]

@surreal drum although fine suggestion move the reason out of the title and put it on the desc. Also do not suggest a name just for being a reference or having certain name ( )

Oh wait already told to adjust sugg before by Rover my bad (just ignore what i said)

[surreal drum]

I don't know who these guys are, so I thought they are, like... His children?

[grim tusk]

Nobody knows lmao

Could work tho? Although maybe the rewritten lore might give answers once its out

[surreal drum]

Makes sense

[ashen warren]

Since Aqua scourge exist maybe since there are multiple Aqua scourges (I’m talking about desert scourge from before he got dry) they are just baby desert scourges

[sleek turret]

ehhh

#help-advice-read-pins

[eternal escarp]

you deleting your messages just makes it look even more awkward

[fossil finch]

uhhh

you don't have anything supporting the notion SHPC is underpowered

you should provide kill times i think

do that with regular calamity testing
(No rippers and on rev(

[round ravine]

Added.

[dapper coral]

base damage means nothing tbh

easy example: the wand

you gotta do actual tests

with killtimes

if you want this to be considered valid

[runic helm]

shpc is really strong

[hollow shell]

oof yeah you should not use base damage as a point of reference

[runic helm]

especially the plasma blasts alt fire

[hollow shell]

custom i-frames essentially make that number meaningless
(among other factors)

[dapper coral]

(also, you named it wrong in the title)

[round ravine]

YEETUS DELETUS

[runic helm]

true

have you even used the weapon tho

[round ravine]

no...

[runic helm]

...

[sharp prism]

bro

[dapper coral]

m.

[round ravine]

I'M WAITING FOR THE DRAEDON UPDATE, ALRIGHT?!?!

[sharp prism]

alright king.

no need to shout

[dapper coral]

if you don't have a sugg to make, don't try to force them

[fossil finch]

has literally not used the weapon
"it's bad buff it"

ok

[sharp prism]

shpc is fucking BALLIN with lclick

actually

[distant gyro]

shpc is ballin in general

[fossil mural]

What's the better click to use with shpc anyway

[runic helm]

might depend if against single target or worm

[keen zealot]

short answer: both

[strange dragon]

honestly if u start a playthrough rn you still have enough time to finsih it before the next update

[novel belfry]

plus 1.4 tmodloader got in a public alpha before the update

[strange dragon]

and i like how someone else also suggested a change for the sentinels in the DoG fight

[cold cosmos]

Honestly

DoG is kinda too easy

Providence is much harder

[dim star]

he's being buffed in the next update

[crude geode]

DoG is easier just due to how the fight is simpler. Less attacks and no bullshit cocoon + nuggets phase

[keen zealot]

Fighting DoG is mostly just fighting him. No bullshit with projectiles and all that, and I like it that way

[ashen warren]

@naive mica you need to create a new line

not spaces/tabs

[naive mica]

I’m on phone idk how

[hollow idol]

(press “return” on your phone’s keyboard to do so)

[grim tusk]

@naive mica spacing
Shift + enter

Also the splitting lasers are for punishing running away

[grim tusk]

Just press return

[naive mica]

They split very late and are easy to dodge

[hollow idol]

for me return is on the number page

[naive mica]

I don’t even have return

[grim tusk]

Scal doesnt even have splitting lasers

[mighty knot]

also not sure that's a great idea, the splitting mechanic is more to disincentivise players who run away too much and make it hard to dodge it even at that range

[naive mica]

O

[hollow idol]

scal doesnt even have lasers to begin with

[grim tusk]

reply ping disable it

[ashen warren]

or lasers

[mighty knot]

people always say this are reply pings against the rules or smth

[naive mica]

yeah I guess

[grim tusk]

Oh and still formatting error

[naive mica]

Sorry

[grim tusk]

Make the lasers that Calamitas fires split faster
The lasers split honestly too late, and the split lasers almost never effective, making the mechanic useless but yeah. I didn’t even know they split until I read the wiki page. I hope this is in the right format since I am in my phone

Try copying this maybe

[naive mica]

Idk anything about discord mobile sorry

[grim tusk]

But still has the other issues we described

[grim tusk]

Hold a message to see the options

[dapper coral]

people just don't like getting pinged when they're still in the convo iirc

it's not illegal or anything lol

[grim tusk]

this

• ping gets tiring after hearing it a shit ton of times

[mighty knot]

aight makes sense

[grim tusk]

Talk in #calamity-mod-talk and get pinged 5 times in a row

[ashen warren]

just mute the server if its annoying tbh

[cobalt pewter]

@naive mica you might need to remove the last sentence as it's relatively irrelevant to the sugg

[naive mica]

Yeah I did that b4 I fixed the sugg

Thanks for reminding me

[cobalt pewter]

But otherwise I'm not sure how earlier split would change things much, one might need to test that one out

[fossil mural]

Just create threads instead of reply pinging

[naive mica]

Well arent the splits homing?

[cobalt pewter]

Not as far as I can recall

[naive mica]

Irdc about pings

Lemme check wiki rq

[cobalt pewter]

The splits have a set pattern

[naive mica]

Yes they are homing

Maybe make the homing stronger or something irdk

[crude geode]

The homing is to fuck with you if you just run in one direction.

[naive mica]

W#ho does that tho

Who*

[ashen warren]

no one

because the lazers exist

[crude geode]

^

[naive mica]

Unless you have wasted your time and made an omega bridge nobody would run linearly

[crude geode]

Running in one direction does not equal move in a straight line and hold left click.

[naive mica]

Wow I didn’t know that

[crude geode]

I'm generally referring to moving in one direction (left or right) and using wings to avoid nonsense. Twins can be pretty weak to this iirc since Spaz can struggle to hit you if you know what you're doing and move carefully up/down, and Ret's spam can be pretty easily avoided by slowly floating down.

Clonelamitas punishes this with her splits homing, creating a whirlwind that isn't awful to avoid but when combined with brothers makes it much more difficult than staying near her.

[naive mica]

Can be pretty troublesome with bad wings tho (talking to you, fledgling wings)

[worn dagger]

Sentinel at the same time as DoG?

Hell nah

Big no

[hollow shell]

Hrm

Wondering if it would be a good idea to list all of the offenders that you know of, so the devs don't need to test every weapon

[dapper coral]

^

this one sounds like it would be better as a list

[worn dagger]

Ok I'll do it. I still have 1 day before the post goes in the voting channel right?

[dapper coral]

yep

[brisk bramble]

Make Yharon's Orange Background a bit darker

More color contrast makes it easier to see

Cause rn, some attacks and sometimes even yharon himself blends well with the BG
this can also help with those who rely on transparent maps with yharon.

[crude geode]

I mean. map overlay exists. plus Yharon’s resprite gives him a lot more detail that’ll be easier to see

[brisk bramble]

im considering that IF the yharon Resprite isnt out yet
So a darker background will help
it aint gonna be like dark dark
just a darker tint of orange

[crude geode]

That’s like suggesting a rework for rage when it’s already announced in changelogs

[hollow shell]

@fringe notch But why

Actually, nevermind

This is a Don't anyhow

[eternal escarp]

suggesting old things is a dont isnt it

yeah

[fringe notch]

oh

thats kinda sad, but understandable and makes sense

[brisk bramble]

Will Vicitide be reworked into somethin?
or Im not allowed to talk about it?

[hollow shell]

Victide will be getting a visual redesign for 1.5
No concrete plans on functional reworks

[brisk bramble]

I see.

[worn dagger]

I did it

Though those are only my personal choosing

[hollow shell]

Thank you

[frozen hornet]

Mounted Scanners are pretty loud as well,though not as loud as smth like hadopelagic echo

[brisk bramble]

Ultima?

Its pretty loud-

[frozen hornet]

Ye

Onyxia maybe

[crude geode]

I mean when you craft a upgrade for a weapon with the tooltip “earrape” idk what you expect

[brisk bramble]

Wait
What weapin is thar

[frozen hornet]

I assume eidolic wail

Ye it is

[eternal escarp]

echo, iirc?

[brisk bramble]

Hqdleophlqgic echo

Or whateveryou spell that weapon

[frozen hornet]

Hadopelagic echo

the upgrade to the eidolic wail which is the weapon that has the earrape tooltip

[brisk bramble]

Thank you

Haydopelageek echo

[full pivot]

its hadopelagic

the area below abyssopelagic

[half kayak]

@worn dagger dont forget mounted scanner

[grim tusk]

@dapper coral were Tyrant’s ultisword’s projectiles’ touched during balancing?

[dapper coral]

yeah

lemme get details

[grim tusk]

Made faster?

Cuz thats what the most recent sugg is asking for

[dapper coral]

oh i don't think it was like that

there was just a general rework

[grim tusk]

well might solve the issue with em anyways

Also since you’re here

[dapper coral]

just kidding, i'm small brain
#changelogs message

[grim tusk]

Thats the post-ML one, the sugg is the post-plant one

Post-ML also had that issue so glad its adressed

[dapper coral]

ohh

[grim tusk]

Anyways, did the signus stealth accs got touched in next patch? Might make a sugg about buffing/reworking it but since its post-ML shit i need to ask if it was tweaked in some way

[dapper coral]

okay, nvm
the post-plant one is not currently altered anywhere that i can see

[grim tusk]

In live version its just Normality relocator but takes an accs slot and you cant be harmed while teleporting. Which would be good if NR didnt exist

[dapper coral]

mmmm signus stealth is what, spectral veil?

[grim tusk]

Yes spectral veil

[hollow shell]

It is kind of a worse Normality yeah

Consumes stealth, limited range, needs acc slot

[dapper coral]

i don't see any functionality changes for it

[dapper coral]

~~doesn't say much tbf, normality is rather a high bar to reach ~~

[grim tusk]

The gimmick is good in theory but needs some buffs to make the thing worth using over just slapping NR in your inventory

[hollow shell]

(not only that, Veil is later in the game)

[fossil finch]

i now wonder if you've tried reaching NR's dedicate so you can nerf it or rework it or smt

[hollow shell]

(We don't need to contact for balance changes. Reworks maybe yeah)

[grim tusk]

ok i got 3 ideas

Buff the absolute fuck out of it

Change gimmick

• Make it a post-ML Sand cloak that also increases stealth regen while on its area (obviously more massive area and better stats)

Add more to the accs

• maybe another spawns more projectiles accs + bonuses to add to the pile

actually sand cloak needs some upgrades but thats something for another sugg

[distant gyro]

spectral veil was pretty wacky

[grim tusk]

gonna stick with buffing the fuck out of it

[distant gyro]

i think at some point you could get near godmode using it

the iframe is 2 seconds and it restores stealth to full if you get hit during the iframe iirc

[hollow shell]

It does, yes

You could get godmode if you were
frame-perfect every 2 seconds

and never missed your target

[distant gyro]

it's a pretty funny accessory at base

skill-based godmode but you can't do damage

got nerfed though

[grim tusk]

Buff Spectral veil
This Signus Revengeance drop is a very interesting rogue accessory that allows you to teleport at the cost of stealth, giving you invincibility while teleporting and if hit during invincibility stealth meter fills up.

This sounds good in theory until you realize that its a worse Normality Relocator, that has a downside: takes stealth to use and has limited range

Here are the proposed solutions to actually make the thing worth using while still keeping it a defensive rogue accs:
Increase its teleporting range by a substantial amount (i mean come on #suggestions-discussion message )
Give (defensive) stat boosts like stealth regeneration, aggro reduction, movement speed and/or defense.
Possibly make it give increased iframes.

[distant gyro]

I still don't think it's a worse NR unless you intentionally use it like so

which kinda defeats the point of the iframe

[grim tusk]

problem is that it doesnt bring much to the table either

why use gimmicky stealth accs when you can just equip dark god's sheath and be fine

or old die, vamp talisman, glove of precision, blunder booster, moonstone crown, electrician's glove, etc
(accs bloat )

if you want a stealth accs for evasion it competes very hard with blunder booster

and abyssal mirror

both of these which also grant other bonuses

and dont affect your Chaos state

[distant gyro]

it's a tank-based stealth accessory

most of the other accessories given provide damage in some way

[grim tusk]

still the range of the teleport is small as fuck

it'll need around more than 30 blocks to be more worth using

[hollow shell]

"Increase its teleporting range by a lot, and make it ignore blocks"
"To compensate for such massive buffs reduce the invincibility period of the accs. "

Wouldn't this just turn it into Normality, while still having downsides?

[distant gyro]

yeah

[grim tusk]

well NR is stupidly busted

[hollow shell]

Yeah but the changes your proposing are causing it to stray more into Normality's strengths while ignoring Veil's current big strength of i-frames

making them even more comparable with Veil still being worse

[grim tusk]

still needs range buff lmao

[hollow shell]

Don't even mention the reduction of i-frames, the point of the sugg is to buff it, right?

Yeah there you go

[grim tusk]

it giving another stat might make it more useful as well

cuz without stat boosts its will just be NR but less range, no stats but invincible

maybe make it give some defense

kind of like sand cloak

another defensive stealth accs

[distant gyro]

it could give cross necklace effect by default maybe

all in on iframes

[grim tusk]

yea that would be a good idea, however it'll compete with deific which is post-Deus in 1.5

[fossil finch]

considering signus itself i think his acc being defensive and based on dodging and that type of stuff would be good i think

[grim tusk]

@distant gyro deific will still be star veil + charm of myths right?

just losing the armor pen

[distant gyro]

yes

[grim tusk]

yep gonna need some stats, probably defense

[fossil finch]

does deific even get charm's regen

also deific in general gets meme iframes so funny

[grim tusk]

iframe shenenigans are patched in 1.5

[distant gyro]

movement speed, stealth gen, aggro, idk

[fossil finch]

storm i don't think you get it

deific amulet iframes are getting buffed to be funny

[distant gyro]

maybe even exchange the stealth cost and instead turning you invis or something

[grim tusk]

stealth cost is fine

[distant gyro]

it's not if you want to continuously use the item and actually attack at the same time

this might be the only stealth cost accessory that leaves no lasting effect

pfp and blunder deals damage, latter being enough to kill donuts apparently

[grim tusk]

ah ye i remeber that #calamity-mod-talk message

pfp's dmg sucks tho

[distant gyro]

momentum capacitor and sand cloak auras are lingering

veil gives you 2 seconds of something easily unusable

unless you do the fabled meme stealth summoner build

where you can just keep stealth and use veil with summoner doing all the damage

[grim tusk]

about that, i think i just found a bug

only eclipse mirror grants stealth when not having a rogue specific armor thats multiclass

nvm its working now

[grim tusk]

step 1: min max stealth regen (or just do all silent reforges) and get summon shit
step 2: get multiclass armor
step 3: do that

[grim tusk]

hmm maybe removing stealth cost would help it yea

since it would make it usuable on spam rogue

although i wouldnt mind it being stealth rogue exclusive

although removing stealth cost will end up in another situation similar to old die
usable with any class but better if rogue

[keen zealot]

man

those

those corruption and crimson effigies are just sooooo bad

corruption especially

no amount of movement speed could possibly compensate for 20% lost DR especially since hermes boots cap your max speed

but I don't really have any ideas to fix the problem, besides making the downsides not nearly as harsh?

and also replacing that unnecessary movement speed buff with something else

[fossil finch]

They're uh actually

Pretty fucking GOD for glass/nohits

Also speed cap is going away anyways

Also their downsides also got nerfed

[keen zealot]

well okay then

most problems solved

except the "just don't get hit" mentality for making them useful is really irritating to even look at

there's been enough glass cannon discussion

[fossil finch]

Glass builds are allowed to exist i think

Just because you don't like playing like that doesn't mean no one does

[keen zealot]

I'm sick of hearing it, let me not stress about taking one or two hits

it's fine if they exist but don't tell me not to get hit

[fossil finch]

I mean it is terraria

[keen zealot]

that has never been nor will ever be sound advice

[fossil finch]

The base game itself does

[keen zealot]

exactly

you don't need to say it

so stop

[fossil finch]

If you ask me what's the purpose of x, and it's to not get hit so you can use it, maybe i have to tell you for the 90^698th time

[keen zealot]

Thing is though... I didn't ask what it was for, I asked why you made it for that

[brisk bramble]

Is Storm weaver gonna have new attacks or smthin