unless you want total server lag
#suggestions-discussion
distant gyro
safe oasis
seems either impossible or very very difficult
fossil finch
Maybe rework some weapons and/or add more true melee options instead of this?
meager panther
Maybe rework some weapons and/or add more true melee options instead of this?
literally what I just posted in suggestion posting
distant gyro
precisely why enforcer is losing its projectile
and dragon rage is becoming true melee
fossil finch
Also isn't the reason kinda subclass-viable thingy
distant gyro
that too
gray nebula
new update adresses the issue 
distant gyro
also true melee difficulty :trol
buoyant idol
@fathom field Just so you know when your suggestion gets ❗ you can edit it or delete it.
fathom field
<@847559005390897202> Just so you know when your suggestion gets ❗ you can edit ...
what is the issue doe
buoyant idol
You are changing the item without patreon permission and your reasoning is not good enough.
buoyant idol
Ok, thanks
eternal escarp
i mean it kinda seemed like iban, the dedicatee (or dev) of the weapon disagreed as a whole so itd likely not pass
well took me a bit to type
byes
eternal escarp
(is that the way to call it really?)
gray nebula
(no i didnt donate to anything
(i azm the dev)
add 10 other attack modes to andromeda instead of a mining mode and also give it a giant form to make it more true to the original one :)
eternal escarp
(ngl dedicatee sounded better imo ngl iirc smh afaik,.,.,.,.,.,)
eternal escarp
True!!!
blazing dawn
I've done something similar regarding this for AlchemistNPC, but I would also like to have Calamity dabble itself with protective options while fishing - that being with the Elementals
fallow hedge
yeah it's just bloaty
fossil finch
hote ingredients are already funny
hollow shell
@blazing dawn What the heck is your suggestion, even?
Its got so much fluff that I can't discern the actual reasoning behind it
HotE isn't your only accessory at any given time, you can equip this alongside it:
https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Supreme_Bait_Tackle_Box_Fishing_Station
fossil finch
i was gonna say that but i thought it would be rude
hollow shell
I also don't know what the screenshot is trying to convey
It's very busy and it looks like you have several other content mods
sand umbra
I also cannot hope to understand what the actual point behind this sugg is
zenith hazel
the only thing that I can think of is that the anahita summon might give you more fishing power
because... ocean
hollow shell
Maybe, but why
whole sedge
I'm struggling to even read it so idk
zenith hazel
there's a story in here somewhere
blazing dawn
there's a story in here somewhere
Right you are. It was me trying to fish up a Frog Leg for the requirements for a MOAB
zenith hazel
how is this related to the elementals?
distant gyro
damn that is really weird
blazing dawn
I thought they'd be capable to give fishing buffs as I was getting nothing but seaweed, wooden boxes, and various other stuff while fishing with a chlorophyte battle rod.
fossil finch
then get fishing equipment
hollow shell
But why HotE? Why not equip Supreme Fishing Station?
blazing dawn
Since I've done something mostly similar on AlchemistNPC, what with the "Fishing Combination" Potion
distant gyro
combat equipment usually does anything but help you fish
fossil finch
First, alch npc is not calamity
Second, fishing combination is for fishing, unlike any hote waifu, who are for combat
distant gyro
fishing potion is for fishing
blazing dawn
It was ultimately pointless in the end, because when I built a lucky horseshoe I've discovered that I HAD 3 frog legs after dealing with multiple Desert Scourges trying to get the Aero Stone.
hollow shell
It would be great if you actually answered our questions, Skyline
whole sedge
Yeah why hote for fishing when no materials have much to do with fishing and the supreme bait and whatever box exists
hollow shell
Okay
blazing dawn
Yeah why hote for fishing when no materials have much to do with fishing and the...
Oh, and not just the HotE, but each individual part as well.
hollow shell
Alright, so
Do you still think your suggestion should stay up?
blazing dawn
Got rid of it
hollow shell
aight
fossil finch
ok
hollow shell
Weird that Aqua Scepter is left out, yeah
distant gyro
tbh selling drops is kinda handholding
distant gyro
apart from magic missile whose issue is being used too often
hollow shell
tbh selling drops is kinda handholding
You can make a suggestion about that if you want
Maybe in 1.5 when we add a whole lot more sold items
distant gyro
aqua scepter is easily obtainable by the time you need it, unless you use that thing unironically
fossil finch
i've had times where it doesn't spawn
and making a pool in the dungeon for a chance to get a chance to get a chance for an item to drop it is too much work
distant gyro
you can nuke the entire dungeon, buy golden keys (afaik), throw out 3 rods at a time with godly fishe and crate power
distant gyro
Clothier ye
whole sedge
Keys are also pretty easily grindable as to my, probably wrong, knowledge dungeon slimes can spawn regardless and the skelebois can drop 'em so 
fossil finch
that's not the problem anyways
whole sedge
yeah
dapper coral
@waxen flower as it stands, this sugg is future content because it's referencing JE and 1.4 tml
which is disallowed
ancient mirage
then suggest it once its compatible
dapper coral
sounds good 
waxen flower
other than that, do you think it would be cool to do such thing later on?
dapper coral
certainly
i have a feeling that the devs have considered it once that time comes, although i don't know that for sure
but yes i think it would be cool
fair radish
(What cool thing)
keen zealot
I thought they'd be capable to give fishing buffs as I was getting nothing but s...
make your pond bigger
keen zealot
i've had times where it doesn't spawn
and making a pool in the dungeon for a cha...
Because of the way that dungeon chest generation works, it is near impossible for one not to spawn.
Aqua scepter will always be in the fourth chest generated by the dungeon (in 1.3. in 1.4 it will be in the third chest generated). The only way for it to not spawn is if some other mod completely screws with dungeon chest generation and replaces items with other items, or deletes the entire dungeon or something stupid like that
fossil finch
Where are you getting that from
keen zealot
not a lot of people do
keen zealot
If you didn't find one, it's because you're bad you either straight up didn't find the fourth chest, or you did and sold/trashed it
I could maybe understand if you didn't find a valor or handgun because those are late in the list and sometimes in small worlds there just aren't that many chests to make it there
if you're in a large world you're basically guaranteed to get duplicates of the shield and sword
crude geode
It does kinda become a problem for multiplayer worlds but that requires you to have multiple mages
whole sedge
Golden Lockboxes also kinda fixes that issue by having the extra dungeon loot, including the Aqua Scepter, readily available.
mighty knot
I mean, that's why I put in the last line, although I can reword it a bit to be more central around that.
it could be in a really hard to find place or destroyed by worldgen, but yeah, if you trash it, that really really sucks
done
hollow shell
👍
bitter isle
you could also use hero's mod to cheat it in
keen zealot
iirc imksushi's mod with the old recipes enabler has a craft for it
crude geode
#suggestions-posting message
Surprised this didn’t get hit with the no subclass suggestions rule
distant gyro
did someone even go over that suggestion
fossil finch
Yes
crude geode
Briefly yeah
distant gyro
for more than 3 minutes i mean
crude geode
@frail mantle Thoughts on true melee sugg and whether it constitutes the subclass don’t
distant gyro
~~also true melee difficulty :trol~~
also this
crude geode
If true melee really doesn’t count as a subclass it needs to actually have a note attached on the document
frail mantle
i'm
not too sure
i think it constitutes the subclass don't yeah, it is essentially about making true melee more viable throughout the game
grim tusk
Which next update technically will do
Via making enforcer true melee since thats the only point it ever died; Yharon
still zodiac
Also a bunch of HM ore sword buffs
And certain True melee weapons as well. True melee is getting a lot of love in the next update
cobalt pewter
I think true melee is in the same vein as stealth rogue
they're both not necessarily subclasses, more playstyle than anything
sand umbra
true melee is not a subclass. I will die on this hill
dim star
Wtf true melee isn’t a subclass
It’s literally there on every melee weapon
Hell I’d even say that non true melee is the subclass here
sick bane
Make perforator hive projectiles travel through blocks for longer
When fighting the perforators underground, the waves of projectiles launched up by the hive will travel through blocks for two seconds, but will disappear upon contact with blocks afterwards. This can lead to an incredible loss of difficulty, as two seconds is usually not enough time for the projectiles to leave the ceiling of the crimson caves, meaning all you have to dodge are queen bee-esque rams (in rev+), and worms reminiscent of EoW but less. Since the hive enrages on the surface, it can be assumed that it is meant to be fought underground, but doing so removes one of the most dangerous parts of the fight. A simple solution is to increase the amount of time the projectiles can pass through blocks.
How's this sugg? I couldn't find mention of this in changelogs or bugs
dapper coral
it's okay to repost that suggestion if it didn't hit the star req
dim star
Aight
hollow shell
It's okay to repost it even if it did hit the req
if you're not the same suggester as the original
☑️
sick bane
Ok cool
ashen warren
isn't there a literal portal marking the devourer's location
frozen hornet
Yes
hollow shell
I thought this was already a thing?
dark urchin
agile bolt
Make perforator hive projectiles travel through blocks for longer
When fighting...
If you want to do something like that then it would just be easier to make the projectiles go through blocks with no problem, instead of inceasing the amoung of time they can pass through blocks, i could see it being abused if there was still a limit as to how long the projectiles could stay inside the blocks
haughty owl
I had no idea perforator hive enrages on the surface
haughty owl
So it enrages on the surface Crimson but enrages even further and beyond when leaving the crimson?
crystal iron
Why do biome bosses enrage on the surface anyway, hive mind, perforator, Queen bee and probably some more
fossil finch
i don't think evil bosses enrage on the surface anymore btw but
well queen bee
that's a vanilla thing
ask red
tardy smelt
isn't the enraged surface QB a 1.4 thing- oh
fossil finch
yes it is
tardy smelt
yeah in 1.4 the enrage is insane
fossil finch
calamity just copied it
so it exists and everyone can have it on mind for 1.4 tmod and calamity ig
long bramble
I suggest you up the drop chance for the spear of destiny since I’ve kill half a thousand of the spitters and it hasn’t dropped
fossil finch
isn't spear of destiny a riv
if it is it doesn't matter in the slightest because of malice mode next update
frozen hornet
It is yea
crude geode
Not only that, 500 is nothing. You have a 40% chance of actually getting it at that point. That’s like flipping a coin and complaining it didn’t land on heads.
shell grotto
So it enrages on the surface Crimson but enrages even further and beyond when le...
Funny how people fight it on the surface anyways and how underground it’s projectiles just disappear
crude geode
That implies people even know it enrages above ground
fossil finch
I don't think the difference is important enough
sand umbra
I suggest you up the drop chance for the spear of destiny since I’ve kill half a...
them's rookie numbers, soldier
fossil finch
You have perfs cheese underground with the blocked projectiles, but for hiih miim? No way you're doing that ug
sand umbra
it is a thousand years (and about 3-4k Ichor Stickers) too early for you to be complaining about Spear of Destiny drop rate
that and it's getting changed in the coming update anyway so lul
sick bane
I had no idea perforator hive enrages on the surface
yeah I did my research for the sugg lol
haughty owl
The way I always saw it, fighting above ground generally made the worms easier so the rain was an extra challenge while underground generally make them harder due to a tighter space so the rain just goes bye bye
Guess that was just me
prisma flicker
crude geode
@sage mulch #suggestions-discussion message
ashen warren
It's a complete rework yes
crude geode
The last part of it does contain balancing
ashen warren
Yes, balancing it after the rework
sage mulch
OK forget my friend but what I mean is that the fallen paladins hammer is more of a downgrade than an upgrade to the Pwnage hammer
ashen warren
It's still specific
sage mulch
Can it not be specific?
sage mulch
A single weapon rework wouldn't take that much time
ashen warren
Pwnagehammer is more single target while the paladins hammer is multi
safe oasis
you could suggest a rework with ideas, but you kind of suggest its exact function as well which is usually considered bad
sage mulch
It's just too much of a downgrade
ashen warren
You would need reasoning
cobalt pewter
What's up with this sugg
ashen warren
Again, you're using something made for multiple targets or worms, eg Deus, on a single target and complaining it isn't doing much
Ofc it isn't that's not what it's for
sage mulch
What about if the Pwnage hammer gets removed out of the recipe
cobalt pewter
@zenith hazel funny sugg? 
sage mulch
It's just that it's weird that you have to waste your Pwnage hammer on a weapon that has no similarities to it
fossil finch
~~it's also talking about rogue's version of the hammer, which will get removed 
~~
ashen warren
It's just that it's weird that you have to waste your Pwnage hammer on a weapon ...
How is it wasting when it's later on
What else do you use the pwnagehammer for
??
sage mulch
OK basically, my friend had to go back to make the Pwnage hammer again because it was still viable after golem
mighty knot
also changing that would make the paladin's hammer (THE NAME OF THE ITEM) no longer represented
sage mulch
So it's weird that someone who plays rogue has to go back to an old version of a weapon
mighty knot
and I think that weapon's more important in terms of its relationship to the fallen version
fossil finch
i get the point of pwnage hammer being better than the upgrade can be regarded as an issue, however it is true fallen paladin is kinda oriented towards multiple targets unlike the one you make it with
also, they don't have to because there's more weapons and all
ashen warren
i get the point of pwnage hammer being better than the upgrade can be regarded a...
Like I said
sage mulch
I get that it has different uses its just that it has not even a single similarity to the Pwnage hammer
cobalt pewter
Though I can see how FPH felt like a downgrade design wise compared to Pwnagehammer
fossil finch
they're both hammers, so wrong
cobalt pewter
The latter got a significant rework recently
fossil finch
safe oasis
ok this kind of derailed, back to the suggestion:
- add some reasoning as to why it needs a rework, it may seem obvious to you but it could be vague for other readers (possibly mention how the unique effects of the pwnage hammer get replaced for basically a reskin of the basic paladin hammer?).
- be less specific, you outline exactly how it should function which is not ideal as that has very low chances of passing (possibly format it more like an idea rather than an order?).
- remove the dps thing at the end, weapons are getting rebalanced so that just becomes a moot point
safe oasis
well now this is an entirely different suggestion from the original
also title is vague and
FPH does significantly less damage to single targets such as most bosses like plaguebringer Goliath or leviathan while the Pwnage hammer does massive damage to these types of enemies
mentioning dps again
keen zealot
I fail to see how making a fallen paladin's hammer would force you to make another pwnagehammer
especially since pwnagehammer isn't even really that good within its own tier
if you're up to scoria bars and all that and the fallen paladin's hammer is for some reason disappointing to you...
just make some fantasy talismans instead
something else that's actually on the same tier
sage mulch
I don't understand if we're talking about the same weapon as the Pwnage hammer is still the best rogue weapon (at least from my experience) even after golem
keen zealot
and how many other weapons have you made?
sage mulch
Ballistic bomb, totality breakers
cobalt pewter
Also rogue variant for FPH is murdered for 1.5
sage mulch
And the Pwnage hammer is still the strongest rogue weapon up until after golem
keen zealot
highest base damage =/= best performance
sage mulch
OK let me put it into 1 sentence
When u switch between ballistic bomb, totality breakers and the Pwnage hammer during a boss fight such as golem, plantera or leviathan you will see the Pwnage hammer drain the health bar the most
If that's not best performance then idk what is
pine star
OK let me put it into 1 sentence
When u switch between ballistic bomb, totality...
That's because Pwnagehammer is SLOW
sage mulch
I thought so as well but then when you use it constantly for like 20 sec
ashen warren
well then
sage mulch
It still drains more of the bosses health than other weapons at that point
keen zealot
Well yeah, when you throw a bunch of weapons a couple times and then switch, the slower and higher base damage weapon usually looks better
ashen warren
instead of buffing its upgrade to also be broken
sage mulch
Not really tho
Because melee at that stage still does more damage than the rogue Pwnage hammer
keen zealot
I do agree rogue in general has been rather underwhelming to play
sage mulch
I'm just saying that out of all the rogue weapons the Pwnage hammer is still better then others
ashen warren
what exactly is your point
keen zealot
it really isn't though
sage mulch
OK thinking about it now
Late hardmode rogue is rather unbalanced
That's more accurate in my opinion
ashen warren
balance suggestions arent allowed rn anyway
safe oasis
how does that relate to the pwnage hammer sugg
sage mulch
balance suggestions arent allowed rn anyway
OK that's fine
keen zealot
because even on bosses like the brimstone elemental the pwnagehammer was substantially worse than stuff like desecrated water in my experience
sage mulch
because even on bosses like the brimstone elemental the pwnagehammer was substan...
In my experience Pwnage hammer complete shredded brimstone compared to other rogue weapons even those gotten after golem
keen zealot
blazing star was so much more useful
grim tusk
In my experience Pwnage hammer complete shredded brimstone compared to other rog...
Pwnage hammer is overpowered everyone knows, please check pins to know that all balance suggs are not allowed atm
hollow shell
@sage mulch You still stand by your suggestion or should it be deleted?
(cuz if it's staying up, the title's gotta be more descriptive to the issue with FPH)
and yeah that
sage mulch
Delete it
zenith hazel
(also we're only rebalancing post-ml this update)
sage mulch
I didn't expect the rogue version being removed
Then my suggestion wouldn't even matter in that case
grim tusk
(also we're only rebalancing post-ml this update)
stealth rework and the op pre-ml weapons right?
hollow shell
(also we're only rebalancing post-ml this update)
Should I change the pin?
hollow shell
Alright.
cobalt pewter
~~stealth rework~~ and the op pre-ml weapons right?
True
But I think they'll save pre ML stealth rebalances for later
grim tusk
Although seeing aurodical throw stealth strike delete shit would be funny
hollow shell
Alright, changed
ashen warren
my suggestion has 8 green check marks what happens next?
grim tusk
my suggestion has 8 green check marks what happens next?
Thats just randos reacting, nothing changes
ashen warren
✅ - The suggestion has reached the star req and was delivered to its respective location . says this in pins
i assume its just me waiting
grim tusk
when a mod sends it to dev he/she adds the check mark. But people can react to the checkmark as if they were reacting to other stuff
ashen warren
oh...
grim tusk
i assume its just me waiting
And yes, be patient
ashen warren
could take years?
hollow shell
Technically, yes
But sooner than that, you'll receive a mark on your suggestion denoting the dev's opinion on your suggestion
Right now in fact
They didn't like it 😔
muted osprey
sadness
ashen warren
past geyser
who else thinks the rogue stealth feature needs to be tweaked
ashen warren
The devs do
past geyser
cool beans
grim tusk
#calamity-update-talk 
for more details
cobalt pewter
Whomstdve calleth
Oh wait
Yeah Draedon update FAQ in #calamity-update-talk pins
distant gyro
BB will not drop from Skeletron nor DG in 1.5
river glen
well crap
grim tusk
Malice Mode 
river glen
oh
tardy smelt
why don't you get the RIV of it instead- the determination breaker!
nothing could go wrong
grim tusk
Deter breaker dies next patch iirc
Since no one used it outside of nohits, and in nohits it was only used to try to address dodge fuckery which was also fixed
eternal escarp
first of all, you should format your suggestion correctly
Headline
Description and reason
otherwise the bot will break
hollow shell
It is
eternal escarp
it is?
eternal escarp
hm, guess it just looked wierd on how my window is, my bad then
tiny valve
Feels pretty pointless to me since Hive Mind and Perfs already drops their respective materials in hardmode and are possible to summon in any world
eternal escarp
but, Hive Mind and Perforators already drop their corrosponding things, and you can fight those on the opposite evil type islands
hollow shell
But uh yeah
"Since calamity doesn't have it's own way to get the other evils debuff weapon."
Hive Mind
Perfs
eternal escarp
(and or, just make the biome of the other type)
hollow shell
@rain dawn
eternal escarp
:flsud:
rain dawn
Deus is god so should drop Ichor
by then ichor would be to easy to get
ashen warren
I mean Ichor is always easy to get
rain dawn
yes?
ashen warren
Never had trouble collecting 15 of them for a spell tome tbh
eternal escarp
linny was joking there
hollow shell
I do kinda see the point of the sugg cuz
Hive Mind drops Cursed Flames which is the same as the world
eternal escarp
yeah, those
hollow shell
Bosses can be fought on these
rain dawn
I forgot about those
eternal escarp
its a possible thing
rain dawn
sry
eternal escarp
and is better then making an artificial biome ig
tiny valve
just zerg and fly up and down until the respective summon thing appears
ashen warren
I mean tbf you’re the one who chose the crimson world, of course it’ll be harder to get me some cursed flames
hollow shell
well I mean
You can see em moving
tiny valve
I mean yeah, but being able to move about 2 blocks infront of where you're going and immediately fire at you is pretty unfair imo
maybe I'm just salty, idk
grim tusk
Armaggedon polter aint that bad
Blood pact is no longer bad item
The problem with polter rn is the enrage mechanics and people making their arenas too big
With a small arena and some blocks in the middle its very tame
And the enrage mechanic oversights is getting addressed next patch
grim tusk
How many deaths?
tiny valve
last time I checked it was like 190
grim tusk
Thats a small amount for any post-ML boss (except guardians) in arma
grim tusk
90 deaths on providence is a very small amount
It usually takes ~400 attempts for new nohitters
Usually more
tiny valve
and how much for Polter?
grim tusk
Polterghast is around 300
grim tusk
You should try doing some regular death mode pts before even trying to nohit
tiny valve
I have
grim tusk
Learning the patterns is key
tiny valve
I've done rev of every class except melee, which I did death for
and Arma sounded like something I could reasonably do so I tried it out
grim tusk
Anyways we went offtopic
safe oasis
#suggestions-posting message
why was this not struck with an ❗ ?
it addressed none of the points that were brought up here when it was being discussed
hollow shell
Yeaah sure
@rain dawn You should address the Evil Island in your suggestion.
And perhaps elaborate on the Slime God's connection to the Corruption/Crimson so your "blood of the gods" argument holds more weight
rose jewel
Doesn’t perf/hive drop it already in hard mode though
ashen warren
dang kinda sucks to see how much the community likes the idea but ends up being thrown away
well i tryied and getting 240 votes is pretty nice so at the end of the day ill be glade with that
have fun everyone im taking off
pine star
well i tryied and getting 240 votes is pretty nice so at the end of the day ill ...
What was your suggestion?
whole sedge
T'was adding Desert Scourge summon to the starter bag.
crude geode
Future content is a don’t
hollow shell
This prolly falls under Future Content with all the malice stuff yeah
You can suggest it just for the existing stuff or you can wait
till the update.
crude geode
I think adding actual names instead of just revengeance is a fine idea, just remove the references to Defiled Feather and Malice
novel belfry
ah
hollow shell
Yeah that's better
novel belfry
more I can add?
hollow shell
If you can think of any, some more reasoning why they should have names that aren't the same as the mode names
would be welcome
atm all you have is that it's "jarring" without much explanation
novel belfry
yeah
dapper coral
iron heart trigger is just called iron heart right
hollow shell
Yes
I dunno if you wanna add that to your suggestion as well @novel belfry
Or perhaps suggest the mode name be changed
(though its mode-ness is kinda disputable, it ain't on the tablet)
safe oasis
i'd argue it isn't on the tablet because it's kinda obvious to tell even without it
kinda wasted space if it was
hollow shell
Indeed
dapper coral
oh, wait
iron heart itself is not a real name for a mode
we just call it that because that's the name of the item
so then it's not worth mentioning
hollow shell
Do Defiled or Armageddon have mode names?
dapper coral
(defiled rune/feather/whatever does not have an official mode name either)
safe oasis
suggest to give it a mode name then
dapper coral
arma does not
which is weird, i guess
i guess there isn't a real precedent here then
novel belfry
I dunno if you wanna add that to your suggestion as well <@!326455578610368513>
honestly I think Iron Heart works as an item name
I didn't include Defiled because it already does have a unique name, (and it's also turning into a different and nerfed item)
eternal ruin
Yes
idk why
lemme show you
nvm
i cant show it
but it doesnt purify walls
What realy triggers me
wooden wedge
@ashen warren I don't think that's a valid reasoning for your sugg
eternal escarp
it 100% is a meme suggestion
wooden wedge
~~it 100% is a meme suggestion~~
And I'm 100% tired :)
earnest cape
Making a suggestion to use scrapped music is a "don't"
tardy smelt
oh and I think making suggestions for upcoming updates is also a "don't"
earnest cape
Also i think they just mean in general
Aew isnt a 1.4 mob
Or 1.5 draedon update idk i cant remember
@willow viper
willow viper
yeah
zenith hazel
pretty sure it's been confirmed that AEW will use threats of the ocean floor
so it's an unnecessary sugg anyway so
bright crag
pretty sure it's been confirmed that AEW will use threats of the ocean floor
But yeah, even if devs accepted it, the interludes wouldn't be added
Since they were intended to be outside the game and optional
fossil finch
uh gem's aren't that hard to come across honestly
and wulfrum staff is worse than any gem staff
safe oasis
i mean isn’t that kind of the point? gem staffs aren’t supposed to be meta or whatever, choose what you want to invest into
mossy oar
The Wulfrum Staff can pierce, which is incredibly useful early on. Amethyst and Topaz both cannot.
And I'm not asking them to be meta, I'm asking them to be viable.
safe oasis
some people invest the grind for the better staff, others go the easy way and get harvest/wulfrum
fossil finch
you are saying that like sapphire isn't common as fuck honestly
they are viable though
safe oasis
they are very much viable
ashen warren
distant gyro
just like how you don't go for a tungsten sword, you don't go for an emerald staff
safe oasis
i went for a tungsten sword :(
mossy oar
Because you want to conserve the materials. Having them cost less would make it an actual choice.
distant gyro
diamond is def meta though
safe oasis
it already is a choice
mossy oar
If diamond is fine, then what about simply lowering the cost for each tier?
distant gyro
the choice is mostly decided by rng tbh
safe oasis
the gems already are more common per tier
mossy oar
8 for ruby/diamond, 6 for emerald/sapphire, 4 for topaz/amethyst
safe oasis
lowering is just pointlessly doubling down
distant gyro
a world can handhold you and give you an easy gem pile in a hot second
if not, the alternates are there
and if you get rewarded by decent rng, it's a headstart
that's how early game goes
mossy oar
Alright then.
distant gyro
it's sensible for something a bit more than 1 though
novel belfry
moved items to a different spot in the title
keen zealot
8 for ruby/diamond, 6 for emerald/sapphire, 4 for topaz/amethyst
the game already does that for you by making the worse gems wildly more common and available higher in the world
ashen warren
Didn’t fab say he’s not going to make vanilla changes configurable
Also not sure if it’s a don’t or not, would pull up the doc but navigating it on mobile is pain
Why do people complain about summoner forcing you to have the minions do the work for you
I mean isn’t that the entire point of summoner?
Rev+ golem requires actual space to dodge, you still got a limited amount of space though. I wouldn’t say the big arena trivializes the entire fight.
long vault
Why do people complain about summoner forcing you to have the minions do the wor...
because people want to feel like they're actually doing something instead of just existing, they get locked out of an entire class just because "heehoo summinir only summon do anything"
even vanilla recognised that as a problem and gave summoners something to do
granted that something made them stronger melee than melee but i digress
ashen warren
Summoner in Calamity is balanced around only using summons, it’d be better and more balanced to keep it the way it currently is. You could always go with multiclassing with a hybrid if you’re real salty about classless weapons doing no damage.
long vault
ok, and while that may be the intent why is giving the players a choice to play their own way a bad thing?
ashen warren
I mean if you want a less balanced summoner experience you could always just download antisocial or something
Besides the game should be as balanced as it could be while making everything as viable as it can be
Relying on a weapon from another class to make the class good is just bad
long vault
considering summoner already does the least damage of any class even in the best case scenario, giving them a little extra active damage just makes them more balanced tbqh
ashen warren
Summoner doesn’t do the least damage of any class at all, unless you’re talking about vanilla summoner in 1.3
long vault
it does do the least damage tho, but we're not here to debate that
ashen warren
Giving the player freedom of choice could be bad when the creator of the game/mod intends you to have the most balanced playing experience
long vault
giving the player freedom of choice lets them tailor the balance to themselves, because not everyone is going to fit into one of 4 predecided points
much like how difficulty at all is a choice
sand umbra
Giving the player freedom of choice could be bad when the creator of the game/mo...
hold up there, little Timmy
what's this about freedom of choice bein' a bad thing in a mod where nearly nothin' is done to limit your options aside from simply not givin' you any and then buffin' everything so hard that you have to use those options to be an effective contribution to your playthrough even in singleplayer when playing on the 'intended' difficulty?
long vault
If i want to break my own balance i can yes, very easily, but not everyone is going to want to go find the mod that increases weapon damage of all vanilla weapons by 20%, go find the mod that makes summoner more active, go find the mod that gives you x y or z
heady lichen
difficulty is a scam made by mod companies to sell more gameplay
long vault
which btw i tested the mod that buffed vanilla items by 20%, I still found myself using all the calamity weapons
just saying
sand umbra
because health and damage aren't the only things changed about vanilla bosses with Rev+
grim tusk
#suggestions-posting message
@long vault
1- Stardust Dragon is getting buffed (and the vanilla one was stupidly op)
2- Golem arena is fine, considering how janky vanilla ones are (sometimes altar is inaccessible there, leading to softlock)
3- summoner is fledged out a class in Cal not support weapons like in vanilla, also the passivity is a you problem not summon problem (try playing more agressive and close to the bosses, some summons do way more dmg when agressive)
4- was already mentioned but Fab will not give this option, specially weapon balance (heck star wrath and Terrarian are shit without the Cal buffs, in Cal its a decent choice for Providence)
sand umbra
the only thing that consitutes being aggressive as a summoner is staying close to the boss
ashen warren
what's this about freedom of choice bein' a bad thing in a mod where nearly noth...
This statement is barely readable to me but I’ll try to respond to it the best I can.
The difference between being able to choose difficulties and being able to tweak a certain game mechanic is that the game, to some extent was made to play on those lower difficulties. Calamity made the summon damage nerf most likely as a way to make summoner actually be able to be balanced around only having summoner weapons, making the class actually harder and downs of using.
sand umbra
and the rollercoaster ride that has historically been melee viability as a concept in Calamity should tell more than a little about how reliable being close to the boss is as a strategy
heady lichen
if anything summoner needs better aggressive options
grim tusk
and passive ones (butterflies specially) to get slightly nerfed
heady lichen
yeah, they made pbg nohit a joke
summoner needs something to encourage getting upclose that's specifically not whips
sand umbra
...I'm confused about what you mean by "passive summons"
heady lichen
summons with good ai kekw
sand umbra
there's one active summoner option with Calamity that isn't a classless weapon that pretends to be a summoner option
heady lichen
summons with good ai kekw
summons that don't need you to hold their hand
sand umbra
and that option is Borealis Bomber which from what I'm aware works for about 2 minutes
grim tusk
...I'm confused about what you mean by "passive summons"
summons with tons of aggro range that encourage to stay away from bosses
butterflies's aggro range is fucking massive, and they have homing projectiles, this just allows you to run away and still deal decent dmg, rather than having to approach the boss to deal massive dmg like with Magic conch, Sandsharknadoes (and tempest, but their aggro range and aim is godawful), Optic staff, Ice claspers, Sun beacons, Mechworm, and Cells
long vault
tbh trying to summoner playthrough atm and even being close to the boss isn't enough to guarantee my summon will do much of anything
especially when they treat the right click to target as a suggestion
sand umbra
most Calamity summons from what I remember have disproportionately massive aggro range and I never even got into post-ML with my summoner playthrough because I was bored out of my mind by the time I got to Provi
long vault
in particular for earlygame where to make summons work sometimes revolves around having to despawn your summons entirely and resummon them
grim tusk
in particular for earlygame where to make summons work sometimes revolves around...
this is due to a tmod bug though
if it werent for that bug you could resumon stuff like with vanilla summons
long vault
no i mean for basic things like the slime got stuck on the wrong level of your arena
grim tusk
also im pretty sure that after 1.5, they'll do a balance check to the rest of the game
sand umbra
anywho I'm gettin' sidetracked
the point I wanted to make is that nearly all summons in vanilla and Calamity are by design passive (even more so once you realize that some of Calamity's minions don't even respect minion targeting last I checked)
summoner is designed and near-mandated to be inherently passive and Calamity doesn't really correct this problem
which from what I could tell was the main thing that was tryin' to be addressed here originally (please correct me if I'm wrong)
long vault
either way, in lieu of having actual active options it would be nice to give players a choice in the interim
grim tusk
which *from what I could tell* was the main thing that was tryin' to be addresse...
originally was Stardust dragon being shit, but then yes
sand umbra
oh yeah isn't Stardust Dragon getting rebuffed because it originally got nerfed so hard that it became basically unusable
long vault
I fail to see what possible issue could arise from giving players a choice to deviate from the norm
grim tusk
also most people saying that they want summoner active forget sentries and things like yanmei's knife exist
you can just reposition hive pod (or any other sentry) every now and then
sand umbra
hive pog
grim tusk
hive pog is also pretty broken rn, expect it to be nerfed
grim tusk
- meh
- op as fuck
sand umbra
much like vanilla's sentries, as a matter of fact
"painfully mediocre (or sometimes even straight-up bad)" and "so incredibly powerful you can just win the rest of the game with them"
grim tusk
old energy staff was smth
long vault
flashback to that one scene in terraria veterans for the worthy with the rapid fire balistae
sand umbra
honestly though when was the last time someone unironically used Energy Staff
that's a legitimate question because I've never seen anybody use it
grim tusk
flashback to that one scene in terraria veterans for the worthy with the rapid f...
you can still use that on Cal, works amazing on Deus
grim tusk
honestly though when was the last time someone unironically used Energy Staff
probably some nohitter
sand umbra
fuckin'
ballista spam
grim tusk
me, who showed testers how op it was compared to other summons (it beat fucking cosmolight) then it got nerfed to the ground
long vault
i mean i build my arena with walls atm because i enjoy swinging my big ol bomb staff around
but then I have nothing to do
until either the boss is repositioned too much or the sentry despawns... in what 2 minutes
sand umbra
granted part of the issue with sentries is that everybody likes to pretend that the Old One's Armors and by extension OOA as a whole just don't exist aside from Betsy
grim tusk
yea lighting aura and ballista are amazing sentries
sand umbra
byeah
although Ballista is considered amazing moreso because people learned you can resummon it infinitely and because it shoots instantly upon being summoned you can deal obscene amounts of DPS that rivals even vanilla Ranger
grim tusk
we should move to #calamity-mod-talk
long vault
indeed
sand umbra
yeah, this is. probably spiraling off the main discussion point by now
grim tusk
although i have a sugg idea, although im sure CMT noobs wont like it
sand umbra
elaborate
grim tusk
Hallow providence shoots 4 beams like night provi
long vault
but ye if fab has gone on record as saying they don't want people to be able to undo the vanilla changes with cal installed then there's no real point to leaving that suggestion up
long vault
big sigh
grim tusk
Hallowed Providence's arena is far easier to build meanwhile in hell you have to deal with hazards and limited space. this allows you to have an easy time dodging
ashen warren
Honestly I don’t care much about hallowed beams, though yea I don’t think a lot of people would like it
sand umbra
here's my question
ashen warren
It’d be nice to not make the beams be easily negated by a single RoD click
grim tusk
and 4 death rays (under 50% hp) would incentivise people actually trying to dodge the beams rather than just RoD
sand umbra
how so?
grim tusk
Night providence's beams are also RoD- able but you have to wait a bit and dodge part of the attack then RoD
sand umbra
because realistically there are only two notable ways that four beams could be used and still be considered fair given your audience
one of those would make the attack easier to handle rather than harder, and the other would effectively do nothin' to solve the problem you're presentin'
there's probably a third option I'm not thinkin' of but those are the two big things
there's either using 4 beams to make a cross shape or reinforcing the two existing beams with two more beams of similar movement and size, respectively
grim tusk
night's providence's 4 beam attack has 2 beams stick outwards so that you cannot RoD until dodging a partial amount of the attack so that the rays start to converge
sand umbra
so the second option but slightly flashier
yeah that honestly doesn't seem like it'd make dodgin' the attack any harder for people that already know how to dodge the base two beams
grim tusk
imma get a clip, a new one the one i had is shrooms, and others are nohit arena
sand umbra
while makin' it more annoyin' for people that don't i.e. most new players for what seems to be virtually no reason
I have a good image in my head already of what you're talkin' about
I just fail to see how it makes dodgin' the attack harder
aside from restricting your options which, while somethin' a boss should do anyway, should be done in a way that feels fair to newer and older players alike, and should be done consistently rather than only for a second
sand umbra
if you want dodgin' the attack to be harder, introduce a secondary mechanic to said attack later on in the fight (or in night Provi since people have a...troubling addiction to torturing themselves with harder boss variants), or properly restrict the player's options for dealin' with it so that they have to figure it out the intended way
grim tusk
night providence is enough, and malice mode will exist
sand umbra
then note the two main recommandations I made:
introduce a secondary mechanic to said attack later on in the fight
b)properly restrict the player's options for dealin' with it
grim tusk
barely made the important parts it fit here (focus on lasers)
its called dps fail cuz i min maxed mobility too much which made me not have enough dps
anyways see how unable im to RoD in the holy ray attack
sand umbra
just from a first glance I see spots to teleport to and be perfectly fine at even from near the start of the attack i.e. the same point you would RoD during the attack normally
simply because you're able to move perfectly fine out of teleporting
long vault
damn and you were just telling ME to get closer to the boss
grim tusk
damn and you were just telling ME to get closer to the boss
thats on summoner vs Regular shit, on night providence you want to fucking run
imma get a new clip on a more fair arena
sand umbra
to be a bit more in-depth with my analysis:
from what I can tell, there are three main spots that you can teleport to for the normal scissor beams and be perfectly fine from as long as you're able to move: behind the clockwise beam, behind the counter-clockwise beam, and directly opposite of your current location in relevance to Provi
from a thorough examination of this attack even through purely thought experiments, there is only one of these options that gets removed by the two extra beams and it is the option of teleporting to the opposite side of her before the beams have dispersed, and even then you can still do it about a second into the attack at latest
you can still teleport behind the front beams but ahead of the back beams and be perfectly safe if you know how to press your movement keys and stay close to Provi, basically the same way you'd RoD out of the normal attack
grim tusk
at least there you have to aim where and wait for the opportunity rather than just mindlessly RoDing
sand umbra
you only have to aim and wait as much as you do for the normal attack
the only option that's prevented is the option that's extra cheesy anyway and shouldn't be an option
grim tusk
thats the option that i want to prevent
sand umbra
hm
grim tusk
so that you actually need to think properly where to RoD
rather than Death ray attack *instatnly rods behind providence*
sand umbra
guess that all checks out, then
I had thought you'd wanted to prevent bein' able to easily escape the attack with RoD period or somethin', but if you're just lookin' to disable the option for extra cheese as opposed to normal amounts of cheese, then yeah quad beams are fine
wooden wedge
isn't the reason why slime god drops an inconsistent amount of gold is because it's bugged
like
it should drop at least 50 gold right?
or at least when I played the game last it dropped around 50 gold
grim tusk
isn't the reason why slime god drops an inconsistent amount of gold is because i...
i think so yea
also night providence do be hard as fuck and im struggling to get a clip were i rod out of the 4 ray attack before me dying or instinctively dodging it the intended way
grim tusk
i think so yea
finally now we wait for the clip for suggestion; might make the sugg a video
actually would be fine to make a sugg
[title]
[text] this video i made explains why
[video]
sand umbra
sounds good
grim tusk
**[title]**
[text] this video i made explains why
[video]
@hollow shell
hollow shell
Yeah you can do that
grim tusk
Alr i’ll start later, possibly tmrw
dense ferry
@earnest raptor goblin tinkerer is getting reworked, and with it the price is getting lowered as well afaik
Even tough, you won't need much money
Not as much as previously, that is
earnest raptor
It's still not okay than pickaxe from perennial bars reforging costs 2.5x more money than pickaxe from chlorophyte bars.
dense ferry
Tbh why would you even use Perennial tools I see
earnest raptor
It's still not okay than pickaxe from perennial bars reforging costs 2.5x more m...
Or like scoria bars pick
Picksaw costs 4.3 gold to sell
Hampick is 16 gold
I get than money is not a huge issue in Calamity, but just why?
grim tusk
Armaggedon farming
Which dies next patch
And goblin no longer scams and is cheaper to use
earnest raptor
You don't get it.
Money is farmable just fine.
But for me, it makes no sense, how calamity pickaxes are significantly more expensive than vanilla pickaxes, despite them being not much more powerful.
hollow shell
(This one is a bit more understandable cuz of PreHM progression, you can get Molten way earlier than Gel)
earnest raptor
Yes.
hollow shell
But yeah I get your point.
earnest raptor
But my point is than modded pickaxes are 4x as costly as vanilla pickaxes, while not being 4x better as well.
It's not really huge, but it just striked me hard in heart when I tried to reforge Shardlight or Seismic pickaxe.
sand umbra
fun fact: Gelpick's sell price is over twice that of a Cobalt Pickaxe despite it being earlier
dense ferry
Now that's quite a bruh moment
sand umbra
my challenge to you is to find me a legitimate reason that a commonly-obtained pre-Hardmode pickaxe should have a higher sell price than an equally commonly-obtained Hardmode pickaxe
hollow shell
Is Gelpick "commonly obtained"
Last I checked it was optional because of Molten
sand umbra
gimme a sec, what gear is recommended for WoF and going into Hardmode for basically any Calamity playthrough worth its salt again?
hollow shell
Using your valuable purified gel on extraneous luxuries like faster but non-progressing tools
puh
sand umbra
jokes aside, Gelpick is a straight upgrade from Molten and you will likely have enough Purified Gel to make one after you've made all your shit
mainly due to the fact that the Slime God inherently drops an exorbitant amount of the stuff
you are guaranteed to have a enough for a full set of armor off of a single SG kill. you will still have some left over in most cases and if you want a specific SG drop you're probably fighting them more than once anyway
(and amusingly enough the Purified Gel weapons cost so much more to make than the actual armor set that you will likely be fighting SG more than once to get one of them regardless of whether or not you want a specific SG weapon drop)
(seriously, 30 gel for a single Gelitic Blade? and this thing costs more to reforge than most of the altar ore broadswords despite being earlier? you've gotta be kiddin' me)
but like my point is essentially that
Purified Gel items are actually one of the best frames of reference for Calamity sell prices being disproportionately high due to the long-standing prevalence of Armageddon farming + Calamity bosses inherently dropping like 5 bazingillion dollars relative to where they're fought + boss summons being so cheap that you can just infinitely buy the summons and then nuke the boss for free money
because there is a readily available direct comparison in the form of the different altar metal items
most of which have a lower value, and thus are easier to reforge, than the pre-Hardmode SG crafts
distant gyro
economy suggestion, fun
the main problem with pricing is that no one really want to bother with every single item case
at its core, things like beastial pickaxe can be abused to another level
sand umbra
literally how
distant gyro
make an afk farm, perennial slimes die in about 0.3 seconds, spam craft beastial pickaxe, ruin the economy
this is less effective than arma farming ofc but we all know arma farming is dying by now, hopefully, probably
sand umbra
evil boss farming isn't (Demonite and Crimtane sellin' baybeeeee) and neither is the infinite summon purchase loop I mentioned
also you can do that with any Perennial Bar craft or hell even the bars themselves
distant gyro
you can do that with any item
sand umbra
precisely
distant gyro
as long as it is easy to obtain, it is as easy to abuse
sand umbra
that's what happens when you make everything sell for a damn fortune because your money system is inflated to hell because you need to compete with goblin scam artistry
distant gyro
no one is gonna make their prestigious terratomere just to sell it for a quick 19 bucks
sand umbra
and now goblin scam artistry is goin' away
so now there's like 50 ways of makin' money instantaneously and ruinin' the economy and trust me when I say that the only way you're gettin' rid of all of 'em is by probably makin' a lot of people really mad over various things dying
summer stump
sand umbra
you took a wrong turn somewhere, I dunno how you got here
distant gyro
so now there's like 50 ways of makin' money instantaneously and ruinin' the econ...
list some
sand umbra
okay
earnest raptor
so now there's like 50 ways of makin' money instantaneously and ruinin' the econ...
Thanks, I giggled.
sand umbra
- buying literally any earlygame boss summon from NPCs for dirt cheap and fighting them over and over makes a shitload of money on its own
- selling drops obtained from fighting bosses over and over, particularly bosses with high-value drops like the vanilla evil bosses, makes this even more lucrative (have you SEEN evil bar sell prices)
- afk farms except they work with vanilla mobs too! Calamity mobs are just notoriously profitable because most of them are the ore slimes if you're not in a new biome so bam you're handed free money on a silver platter
- doing basically anything in the Abyss for more than about 2 seconds is guaranteed to get you a bunch of money
- have I told you how piss-easy Calamity makes fishing, one of the most profitable activities in the game
- oh yeah and fishing gives you like every Calamity bar in the game too so you can just skip the bullshit and get straight to the moneymakin'
ashen warren
Isn’t goblin tinkerer being reworked next update
sand umbra
already mentioned that, you're late
ashen warren
K
sand umbra
in fact that is precisely why I agree with this suggestion
Goblin scam artistry rework is all well and good but it ain't gonna do shit if your items inherently cost a king's ransom to reforge
and I know reforge costs are being reduced by 50% globally but that indicates a larger problem in play because vanilla items are for the most part not that expensive to reforge
the only vanilla items that actually cost that king's ransom before the last third of the game are things that in vanilla you need to put in a considerable amount of time, work, and exploration to get
earnest raptor
make an afk farm, perennial slimes die in about 0.3 seconds, spam craft beastial...
Actually Quagmire is slightly more profitable.
sand umbra
like Frostspark Boots or Bundle of Balloons
earnest raptor
Or Celestial Shell
sand umbra
forgot to specify progression
although I admittedly do not remember Celestial Shell value on account of never actively reforging it
and by that I mean I did it like twice and I don't remember its sell price
oh it's 14 gold yeah that's nothin' post-Golem
that's chump change at that point in the game
distant gyro
- fishing is pretty rng in the first place, cal fishing will be nerfed, cal fishing items grants no extraneous vanilla fluff
- abyss pot-in-a-pot are still stupid and probably needs a hard hit, because pots aren't even supposed to be the spotlight
- a lot of bosses suck at being profitable except the edge cases few that is mentioned here (why does expert boc drop 40g+ worth of money)
- the average player legitimately cannot be arsed to make an afk farm
earnest raptor
afk farm
Literally place a row of conveyor belt under lava and use all of lore.
distant gyro
you'd be surprised
90% of calamity players come here to escape what terraria players would do
take their time, build things, and not rush bosses
sand umbra
not 100% sure I get what you're tryin' to say
while I'm ponderin' on that I'll write down this list of boss profit analyses
earnest raptor
but like my point is essentially that
Purified Gel items are actually one of the...
CRABULON ARMAGEDDON FARMING
sand umbra
for some reason I remember Crabulon dropping a disproportionately large amount of money for how early he is even before taking Armageddon farming into account and I don't know if that was intentional or not
distant gyro
I'm basically saying that the only mainstream way of getting fat non-diminishing stacks is farming the few bosses that have their money overloaders on
earnest raptor
The thing about crab was not only good money but in Expert mode, it drops exactly enough shrooms to summon him again.
Infinite profit
distant gyro
(and that abyss potceptions is ugh)
sand umbra
I hadn't even been thinking of Abyss pots-in-pots
I just remember Abyss enemies in general dropping a pretty damn decent amount of money
earnest raptor
Infinite profit
In my early clam 1.4 playthrough I got over 100 platinum in pre-hm just by crabulon genocide.
sand umbra
might be rememberin' wrong, though. been a while since I last played
distant gyro
Abyss pots def hard carry the loot you get there from experience
sand umbra
waitin' for 1.5 to drop before I do what is decently likely to be my last playthrough 
distant gyro
since your objective in the abyss is go on an appointment with the local chests/ores/rush to layer 4 and kill the minibosses and fuck off ASAP
earnest raptor
In my early clam 1.4 playthrough I got over 100 platinum in pre-hm just by crabu...
While evil bosses have more loot, crabulon can be destroyed by Abyss weapons in 20 seconds and he has literally the pattern where he stays still doing nothing.
I even tried to make religion out of this
Anyway, calamity weapon prices are definitely bogus because of this shit.
sand umbra
I suppose what I'm tryin' to say is that like
distant gyro
it's not just tools that use the system, it's also the boss drops that can be abused
sand umbra
maybe not for 1.5, because 1.5 is kinda already huge
earnest raptor
it's not just tools that use the system, it's also the boss drops that can be ab...
The price for tools is what irritated me in first place.
sand umbra
but at some point I feel like Calamity item sell prices (and by extension some vanilla item sell prices) should be looked at in-depth and re-evaluated
distant gyro
economy is arbitrarily decided
I mean no businessman made sure to make all forms of terrarian stonks as balanced as possible
dim star
How tf did that purity axe suggestion not get flagged
distant gyro
eow makes like 10x less cash than boc (on expert, the same ass tiers of bosses with this much gap)
earnest raptor
I think it passed because moderators interpreted it as problem of inconsistency.
Like how clentaminator clears walls, but Axe of Purity doesn't.
sand umbra
eow makes like 10x less cash than boc (on expert, the same ass tiers of bosses w...
wait is the gap actually that large
I thought EoW was way more profitable than that what the hell
distant gyro
you can try to math it out yourself
earnest raptor
eow makes like 10x less cash than boc (on expert, the same ass tiers of bosses w...
This needs research.
sand umbra
...okay I knew it wasn't that large
but BoC is like 33% more profitable purely by comparing evil metal sell price
distant gyro
unless wiki is slackin', boc drops 12.5g on death and eow drops 3
not to mention ore count
sand umbra
EoW also has the consistency of a wet piece of paper that was drawn on with a pencil somebody chewed off the eraser off while panicking about their finals
I have complete confidence the money drops have a smaller gap than that
if they don't I have yet another valid reason to nuke EoW outright
distant gyro
and boc is easier to kill because it's clumped as opposed to burrowing like a coward
sand umbra
yeah
BoC just kinda
accepts its fate
while EoW makes your life miserable if you don't have something that can hit through tiles and then it just takes 5 years
hm.
yeah I guess it does end up being just BoC being stupidly easy to farm and stupidly profitable
distant gyro
byeah the point in all that is that no one really intended economy to be balanced, not even relogic
they just added some numbers and move on with something more important
sand umbra
tl;dr Terraria's economy is beyond fucked
earnest raptor
byeah the point in all that is that no one really intended economy to be balance...
Doesn't mean than we cannot try.
dim star
Why can you sell gold and platinum for the same amount of silver
When platinum is 100x the value of gold
earnest raptor
Because real life economy works in same way
dim star
An entire platinum bar is worth a few silver meanwhile a tiny coin made out of platinum is worth several thousand silver coins
Gold and platinum is the same rarity
Terraria logic
earnest raptor
No
Coins IRL are cheap to make.
That's why government establishes monopoly on it.
austere perch
can we update the vfx for death valey duster
frozen hornet
Money is just paper but you don't see people using a stack of paper to buy lamborghinis
dim star
Who knows maybe the coins are backed up by some mystery valuable material
earnest raptor
Game theory: Universal Paperclips is canon in Terraria universe, and coins dropping from enemies just confirms than they are made from paperclips.
distant gyro
can we update the vfx for death valey duster
there will be one in 1.5
earnest raptor
Game theory: Universal Paperclips is canon in Terraria universe, and coins dropp...
Actually that sounds cracky as fuck
distant gyro
This needs research.
I just in-game tested this on the spot with a small sample of 10, eow dropped 22g on average and boc dropped 60, not quite the hyperbole but 2.7x is still pretty significant
cobalt pewter
Boss drops from bought summons cannot be sold.
How do you even differentiate that
earnest raptor
When boss is summoned, assign some value to it.
If value is set, items dropped will have No value as sell price.
distant gyro
if you wonder where crabulon placed on the spectrum, it's apparently 12g
boc is 5x as valueable 
distant gyro
~~eliminate boss farms by putting repeated boss bag opening on diminishing retur...
on another note, theoretically you can just apply supply and demand economics to make players diversify their sources with boss summon buy prices rising and item sell prices dropping
cobalt pewter
~~on another note, theoretically you can just apply supply and demand economics ...
Mm
Actually rising shop prices and lowering sell value upon killing the exact same boss in a row could be somewhat interesting to expand on
keen zealot
An entire platinum bar is worth a few silver meanwhile a tiny coin made out of p...
an american dime takes less than a cent to make iirc. same idea generally
dim star
i wasn't thinking about the backing of the coins since terraria is literally in the middle of nowhere on an island but who knows maybe there is backing
keen zealot
the coins are backed by draedon 
keen zealot
draedollars
full pivot
what should i do if i just thought of an extension for a suggestion somebody posted ages ago
like so long ago that its at the point where editing it won't affect anything
crystal iron
Ur allowed to repost if smth didn't reach the star req I'm pretty sure
dim star
only if you aren’t the person who originally posted it
Reposting your own sugg because it didn’t get enough stars isn’t allowed
hollow shell
That is allowed.
You're not allowed to repost it if it's your own suggestion and it did get enough stars
because some people do that
If it didn't get enough stars, and it has been 1 week minimum since it was posted, you can repost your own suggestion.
hollow shell
what should i do if i just thought of an extension for a suggestion somebody pos...
Also yeah you can repost your own version of someone else's suggestion
no matter when it was posted
preferably entirely in your own words, though
It'll get bluechecked, which is okay, or if it was reeeaally long ago then it'll go through as its own suggestion
dim star
That is allowed.
Why?
That doesn’t seem like a good system
People can just keep reposting the same suggestion week after week
Even if literally nobody wants it
eternal escarp
theres likely a gentleman rule unwritten of "reposting it 8 times every week is a no" or whatever
eternal escarp
They almost always give up around the 3rd failure
and if not, then this
hollow shell
There was one instance where they didn't give up
And I had to step in to tell them it was the last one
(peepoweird emote suggestion)
But I don't recall any other times
fossil finch
Ye
hollow shell
in my years of managing suggs
(peepoweird was a joint effort anyhow, multiple different people suggested it iirc)
dapper coral
peepoweird was started by someone who then gave up, and then someone else took it to the point where they had to be told to stop
dim star
Why am I not surprised that the one time it was taken too far was because of an emote suggestion
hollow shell
And now all emote suggestions are banned
dim star
“Please add weirdchamp emote but crabulon it would be so funny 😳😳😳😳😳”
Emote suggestions are just the worst in general
Most of the time it isn’t a funny emote
hollow shell
(If you provided that with your own image then we'd consider it)
and, yeah
Borderline meme suggestion every time just cuz of the nature of them
And difficult to give reasoning for
fossil finch
So now emotes are actually suggested by doing god's work and controlling fabsol's mind into adding it or smt
Admins may be easier to control idk
hollow shell
I think it's just
you bring it up in chat when a mod is around and they can deliver it to modcorner for consideration
iunno if there's been any successful instances of that tho
🤷♀️
dapper coral
(courtesy of me )
fossil finch
Well yeah hage
dapper coral
iunno if there's been any successful instances of that tho
but uhhh afaik there are no successful instances of emotes being added because someone asked for it post-emote sugg ban
was added/edited by mrrp of his own volition iirc
aaand that's it
(
and 
were updated recently but they already existed in various formats soooo)
hot zephyr
One emote suggestion was good
grim tusk
@drifting crane
No reasoning, a don't, where would the pillar fit in the world anyways?, and meld exists acting as a pseudo fragment
drifting crane
<@!667523385437323287>
No reasoning, a don't, where would the pillar fit in the...
Good point, I kind of forgot about the melds, thanks!
grim tusk
and disable reply ping
dim star
not gonna lie you should really delete that suggestion before more people see it
you're gonna become a laughing stock
buoyant idol
Good point, I kind of forgot about the melds, thanks!
^
drifting crane
?
drifting crane
The sugg, so you don’t get ping spammed
already did.
hollow shell
aight cool
buoyant idol
Cool
rose latch
yoooo a lot of suggestions got implemented
twilit warren
cobalt pewter
Indeed
hollow shell
Yeah this suggestion looks good.
drowsy plank
ive had this thought in my head for months but i wanted to make sure i thought it through fully before bringing it up
i think i covered most bases in my issues with the stuff
eternal escarp
the idea is great, just one question
when you meant post hardmode, did you mean post ML or post WoF?
drowsy plank
oh i meant
post wof
whoops
fixed
was thinking it could literally just be gel + wulfrum scrap at any hardmode anvil
if that was the path they went down
tho i had plenty of other ideas
safe oasis
@drowsy plank very cool, though you could dump the part where it references another sugg about disabling wulfrum spawns
not really needed
drowsy plank
aight
muted osprey
firstly, wrong format
ashen warren
@high basin format it properly, put the title in the first line then shift and enter
muted osprey
secondly, there's some explanation which is basically "throwing and rogue are basically the same so this doesn't matter"
high basin
<@!697881722938851399> format it properly, put the title in the first line then ...
ah ok
dapper coral
pretty sure this is a don't
myeah
you can't make this sugg because it's about replacing throwing with rogue
so ima just remove it since it's not exactly salvageable
muted osprey
he's typing again 
dapper coral
@high basin my guy please read what i said
ashen warren
you cant sugg it
muted osprey
bruh
dapper coral
there is a reason that i removed it
muted osprey
delet the sugg or you be die
high basin
Btw i only saw ur message after i already posted my suggestion again but formatted, sorry demik
dapper coral
format was the secondary issue
the first issue was that you weren't allowed to suggest it at all, so i suggest you read the don'ts doc (in the pins) so you know what you can and cannot suggest next time
that's alright, as long as you know now
clever canopy
Perhaps some sort of wulfrum building blocks would help it remain useful, if people could use wulfrum platforms for arenas then it would have a continuous use
frozen hornet
Wulfrum wouldn't be a good alternative for wood
muted osprey
why use either of those when planter box
frozen hornet
True
clever canopy
Even if it’s not used much it still gives the opportunity for it to be used
dim star
What if you could make a super powerful endgame summon with the wulfrum
frail mantle
that'd be weird
dim star
John wulfrum was never able to make any good robots so it would be his masterpiece or something
frozen hornet
Afaik the moons will get new enemies eventually
frail mantle
i believe this is planned to be done eventually™️ yea
frozen hornet
Something about darksun eclipse getting more spooky enemies
dim star
I hope so
The post ml moon stuff is literally just that event but with a ton more health and damage
frozen hornet
Ye
fossil finch
Ok siren head enemy for eclipse when
frozen hornet
eternal escarp
could maybe say something about consistancy aswell, although im not sure if cal adds any campfires
fossil finch
at spriters ig
The only thing between that campfire and the mod is an spritesheet really
whole sedge
@fleet pagoda This is directly tied to suggesting for future content due to being entirely based on 1.4 which is a don't so I suggest saving this for when Cal actually does update to 1.4 Terraria instead of now
fleet pagoda
whole sedge
Np 
hollow shell
@ashen warren Is "rebalance" the right word?
It sounds like you're asking for it to be moved to a later tier, which isn't necessarily rebalancing it