suggestions-discussion

[ashen python]

oh

thats what you mean

[safe oasis]

aside from how much effort it would take or if it would even be possible, why should calamity specifically do this

[ashen python]

idk

noone else is doing it

[whole sedge]

Yeah one arguement I could see is "Why calamity" as to me this also'd be better as a separate QoL mod but

[willow bay]

That used to exist. The mod was called Calamity: Dimensions (or something like that), but it has since been removed.

[full pivot]

calamity does have a lot of stuff that doesnt specifically affect calamity tho

[dense tinsel]

What about you add me as a enemy

As a joke

[hollow shell]

No.

[dense tinsel]

Noooooooooooo

[ashen warren]

why though

[hollow shell]

@coral oriole Your suggestion is too specific. Suggestions should mainly be concepts or general changes which are backed up by reasoning, without much emphasis on details like names or precise execution

[coral oriole]

oh ok

[unique reef]

been there

[grim tusk]

read #suggestions-voting message
@midnight pond

[midnight pond]

thanks

😌

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message 2 more

200 now!

yes i made a typo there don't mention it

[midnight pond]

oh huh uh

it says it has been implimented

[midnight pond]

this

[grim tusk]

yea

[midnight pond]

but profaned platforms still are able to be burnt by lava

[grim tusk]

implemented next update

[midnight pond]

oh

[whole sedge]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

I concur
Having cooldowns in debuff slots is somewhat inconvenient
I noticed this the other day with Potion Sickness, it's hard to find it among the 21 other buffs/debuffs. It'd be welcome to have it (and other ability cooldowns) elsewhere on the screen

[crude geode]

This can be annoying for sure. I personally don’t have that much trouble with it but it would be more convenient.

also muh buff slots

[copper onyx]

Another idea could be pinning potion effects

since then it works with other mods too

[grim tusk]

while i was doing night providence i noticed between attempts that the candle's animation randomly stops, is it ok if i make a suggestion about this?

[violet sierra]

Storm i hate you now

I will never unsee this

[grim tusk]

nohitting shrooms surely made me develop a keen eye now that i think about it

figuring which projectiles are yours and which are real when fighting Yharon with his drops do be something

[grim tusk]

imma wait for a response from Rover imma make sugg then wait

also most Calamity candles (otherworldy, plague, euthrophic, cosmilite, botanic, monolith, abyss and stratus) not having flames nor their placed sprite not looking lit up bugs me out

@solemn tendon that will never happen

[solemn tendon]

oh ok

[earnest cape]

calamitie na telephonie

[copper onyx]

What even is tl pro?

[crude geode]

Isn’t respriting based on quality a don’t

[violet sierra]

The main point is the bad loop, I think

honestly this sugg went further than I was epxecting

i think thecandles look fine

the loop was just the issue

lol

[grim tusk]

Yea might need to reword my suggestion a bit

If this is more of a bug i’ll just go into #bugs-read-pins

[hollow shell]

Yeah you're gonna need to reword, this is mostly based on quality

You could focus it entirely around the stutter, though that would prolly fit more for bugs

btw @zenith hazel notifying you to notify Amber, bot's down

[zenith hazel]

oh

[fossil finch]

tl pro is a mobile app that works as these "minecraft hack" apps that let you download maps and texture packs and shits

[crude geode]

#suggestions-posting message
DoG isn’t from the same place as Astrum Deus. DoG is just a normal worm that got really big and stronk

[hollow shell]

Indeed

@round wraith

[fossil finch]

I'm not entirely sure tl pro is legal and last time I've heard of it is because it's making money off texture packs they take from the forums (and i assume the workshop now)

[grim tusk]

Yea thats illegal

[fossil finch]

Oh it's literally an app you have to pay for

What a shitty service there uh
Anyways yeah it's never getting mod support and if it was nobody would make mods for that because guess what

[whole sedge]

pretty sure mojang's looked into taking down similar apps also because y'know literally illegal

[copper onyx]

If only 9minecraft and such sites got taken down

[round wraith]

my point is they both from somewhere in the outerspace

[crude geode]

no? DoG was originally just a normal worm, while Astrum Deus was a god of the stars. DoG just got strong enough to make his own pocket dimension.

[round wraith]

oh. my bad for not reading the DoG lore.

[thick raptor]

Lol imagine if cracking open the dragon egg only gave you like a ten percent chance to summon Yharon and the rest of the time it just summoned the Yharon pet

[crude geode]

Tbh DoG's summoning item should really not be "COSMIC Worm" as it gives the impression of him being...related to space.

I can understand the confusion since it really does make it seem like Astrum Deus and DoG both come from space and related to the cosmos.

[round wraith]

how Yharim got to tame DoG exactly?

[thick raptor]

The best link there is is the fact that DoG ate Deus, who was carrying the astral infection

[thick raptor]

Yharim had the egg and and it hatched when he was thrown into lava with it, Yharon saved him from the lava and became his pet

[dense ferry]

That's Yharon...

[round wraith]

if i recall correctly, he had some guardian to keep DoG from rampaging.

[round wraith]

I think so too

[dense ferry]

Anyways, DoG killed some Yharim's Henchmen, Yharim got angy, got there but liked DoG so offered food

Now they're besties

[round wraith]

but why DoG not loyal as Yharon?

[dense ferry]

Because no

DoG is sentient also

Yharon is more like an actual dog

[round wraith]

so the worm has bigger brain than the dragon

[dense ferry]

Pretty much

[whole sedge]

Less of dog is megabrain compared to Yharon it just has less of like a sentimental bond or whatever as Yharon to Yharim

[limber ocean]

DoG is just a mercenary to Yharim, in a manner of speaking

Yharon is like, life bonded with Yharim

or something

sounds like a #lore-discussion kinda talk, tho

[whole sedge]

Yeah better there than here

[thick raptor]

DoG is more of a servant like Scal

Scal has a tighter leash though

[muted osprey]

kinky

[thick raptor]

Draedon is more like a mercenary

He doesn’t necessarily work directly for Yharim

[muted osprey]

also this is #lore-discussion material

[zenith hazel]

@ashen warren add a reason to your suggestion that's not just "why not"

[ashen warren]

ok

[tardy smelt]

In all sincerity the Guide to Plant Fiber Cordage has been pretty useful to me

Basically I yeet it on early on, stockpile some easily acquired rope in my inventory which I can then tap into for the rest of my play through if I ever need them

And yeah with GtPFC in places like the jungle you'll hit a stack in no time

Also, in early game ropes are crucial for exploring which makes the accessory greatly more valuable (free sources of rope everywhere on the surface). It gets replaced with better stuff fairly quickly enough but as it stands it's alright for the beginning of the game

[earnest cape]

wait has anyone talked about this sugg? #suggestions-posting message

[hollow shell]

Yes it got brought up when it was posted
which was a while ago now cuz the bot's having a fit

You would indeed have HotE while Arma farming

[earnest cape]

why wasn't it ❗ just curious

[hollow shell]

..... even if Arma farming is getting removed in 1.5

[earnest cape]

ye

so I'm assuming the sugg is just gonna be sent to voting whenever the bot alives again yeah?

[eternal escarp]

@ashen warren you should give a reason, and format your suggestion correctly

the thing in question is also pretty specific

[ashen warren]

Sorry I didn’t portray it well

Yeah you got a point I’m just trying to think of some kind of feature

[earnest cape]

why is this a calamity thing

and this just sounds more annoying than anything imo

[eternal escarp]

its just an idea that doesnt really make sense to why it should be a thing in the mod

[earnest cape]

if you want something similar to that "better multiplayer mod" would probably be your best bet since if you die in a boss fight you die

and yeah doesn't fit calamity all that much

@hollow shell we require ❗ services

[hollow shell]

Indeed

Too specific, not enough reasoning. Also not formatted properly, needs a separated title line and reason using Shift+Enter

[gray nebula]

no way the forgotten from the hit game the binding of issac

[eternal escarp]

i knew i wasnt the only one making this connection to the forgotten and Spirit Shackles

[earnest cape]

@rough crypt your suggestion needs to be formatted properly(example: [Title] press shift+enter [The rest of the suggestion])

[rough crypt]

sorry, is that better?

[still zodiac]

Looks better

[gray nebula]

please guys I don't want to play the game for more than 1hour just let me craft everything please

there's a stuff from the next update I can't wait for people to ask for a crafting recipe

[still zodiac]

Well tbf rover drive is weird cause wulfrum enemies are rarer in HM

I wouldn't mind an alternative way to get it instead of just crafting ngl

[rough crypt]

^^

no need to be so mean about it

not like you have access to chaos candles in prehm

[gray nebula]

I wasnt being that mean its just that the "make x craftable" suggs are very common and yeaj

just increase the drive droprate in hardmode to compensate for the lower spawn rates

[tardy smelt]

or make a dedicated hardmode wulfrum seasonal moon with no changed damage stats so you can farm for free for wulfrum drops

[gray nebula]

event miniboss

john w.

[tardy smelt]

event miniboss: wulfrum pylon with 5% more hp than usual

[crude geode]

Most make item craftable suggs are very common and kinda eh but this one seems fair compared to the rest since if you miss out on roverdrive pre-hm you're going to have to grind a lot more to attempt to get it.

[glossy stone]

Deepsea Staff and Ancient Ice Chunk are awful for fast bosses.
It ruins the Twins and Skele. Prime fights (and later ones too) since they can't catch up 90% of the time.
Is it too much asked to buff their speed/AI ?
I'm literally gonna go insane since those two are part of the only weapons I'm allowed to use in my run (using only weapons included in the Cosmic Immaterializer recipe).

Their flaws become really apparent once you start using them a lot (like I'm doing)

Haunted Scroll suffers from the same fate too, which is sad because not only is this summon VERY ignored currently, but it also is kinda good, it helped for some mob grinding and Cryo fight.

[buoyant idol]

I think that is a good suggestion

[sleek turret]

Wouldn't it be considered as a balance suggestion though?

[glossy stone]

I guess so, but it's still really needed in my opinion

I just hope it won't be swept under the rug like "Yeah, whatever."

[sleek turret]

You could ask for a rework.

[glossy stone]

Possibly yeah

[cobalt pewter]

This counts as a "self-inflicted" challenge, and such is not valid for suggestions

(the part where you can only use immat materials)

[glossy stone]

And ?

Oh, that was just a detail

But those summons are early hardmode, you'd want to use them for mech bosses

[cobalt pewter]

Unless there are really no other options

[glossy stone]

Then we're going this way.
There ARE other options, but ignoring the flawed ones is a bad move.

[cobalt pewter]

Do they work on Destroyer?

Or AS?

Or brimmy and cryo?

[glossy stone]

Absolutely.
Some work better than others, but all of them should be usable for all of these bosses.

Thing is, AIC is better for segmented enemies while DSS and HS are better for single targets

[cobalt pewter]

My take on pre plant bosses is that one weapon shouldn't work for all of them

[glossy stone]

Whatever, I still insist that a weapon that can be obtained and used for mech bosses should be at least decent to use.

[crude geode]

Considering early hardmode is getting a lot of changes, might wanna wait until then, but if someone else says it’s fine then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crude geode]

@nocturne grail Wulfrum drones spawn more often at the edges of the world, so that might be why you don’t see them often. They can still spawn outside of that area, just more common there.

[glossy stone]

They also spawn a lot in deserts for some reason, I farmed them yesterday for a battery and they ended up accumulating a lot in there

[nocturne grail]

Noted.

[unique reef]

I would agree with fixing the Ancient Ice Chunk Ai. It's pretty bad

I have the idea they should do something similar to an upgraded Vile Feeder.

[violet dagger]

Ancient ice chunk itself is ancient

It still uses sprites from 2017

[unique reef]

I've tested it, and it uses the same Ai as the Herrings, the green Luxor Gift summon, the Vanilla Spazmatismini, and the Cloud Elemental summon

Call me a nitpicker, but I would like to see some variety

[dim star]

Bro wtf I literally see all types of wulfrum enemies all the time in my world

Are they rare or something

[eternal escarp]

not really

unless you search at night
which is when they cannot spawn

[unique reef]

they always bother me, too so they aren't rare

[weak field]

Don't the sorcerers already drop a weapon

Plasma bolt or something

[exotic stag]

isnt that in hardmode?

[ancient mirage]

no

[exotic stag]

eh well the other parts could work for the other enemies

just cut out the sorcerer part i guess

[crude geode]

The goblin army already arguably does this

Warblade, Harpoon, Plasma Bolt, Etc.

Summoner is the only missing part but eh

[exotic stag]

i know but literally

it would be better to base the weapons off of what the goblins use

(Also theres no rogue one.)

[crude geode]

you can literally just use any bow for the archers

[exotic stag]

also i put another option for the things too.

if you read that

(Which you likely didnt seeing as you didnt comment on it)

[crude geode]

You really also don’t have much reasoning behind why this should be added

[whole sedge]

Yeah doesn't this like already exist to an extent plus I don't really see much hreason why these are needed compared to other early game weapons

[exotic stag]

the armor could be useful..

[crude geode]

I mean if you really want an early game melee armor set that’s fine, focus on that and making that have some reasoning

[whole sedge]

Yeah an early game melee focused armor would be interesting but that seems like a different sugg than what this is

[crude geode]

But goblin army drops something for most classes outside of summoner and rogue

[exotic stag]

what about the accessory perhaps?

[ashen warren]

when it comes to suggestions how many green check marks do you require

[crude geode]

ranged really doesn’t need an early game accessory tbfh. Most classes don’t start getting accessories until later (outside of rogue/summoner Bc they’re wacky)

[ashen warren]

like how does that checkmark system work

[crude geode]

[ashen warren]

lol allways forget

[cobalt pewter]

Mage be like

[hollow shell]

@exotic stag You should acknowledge the existing weapons (Warblade, Harpoon, and Plasma Bolt) in your suggestion
And explain why they don't suffice for what you think should be added

[exotic stag]

Sure gotcha

[hollow shell]

As well as adding a bit more reason to your suggestion in general

[exotic stag]

edited it. check it

[hollow shell]

Alright this is better

[crude geode]

Plasma bolt goes through walls though?

[hollow shell]

I don't fully agree but it is indeed more fleshed out

Uh the split ones do

[exotic stag]

splits do the main beam doesnt

although splits are short ranged

[crude geode]

if you wanna be a goblin archer you can just use a platinum bow

[exotic stag]

i feel like you ignored this bit again..

its not all about the bow

[crude geode]

A. Because you include the option of a bow that is just platinum bow
B. non-consumed arrows rate means what exactly?

[exotic stag]

basically like guns

% chance not to consume ammo

[crude geode]

Use that then, also that’s really awful because very few people care about how many bullets/arrows they consume unless they’re using like p90 and even then those weapons have the chance to not consume ammo so you don’t have to craft five stacks of bullets

[exotic stag]

this is pre hardmode.. ammo is kinda y'know scarce..

cause of pots and crafting being like 25

[crude geode]

per single stone and wood

[exotic stag]

its like 25 but okay

[crude geode]

You would need 40 stone blocks to craft a stack of arrows

[hardy dock]

Bruh

Like adult wyrms?

[mighty knot]

@soft sapphire that just sounds really fucking annoying ngl

[hollow shell]

Bad

[fallow hedge]

pretty sure it's a meme suggestion

[hardy dock]

What about in pre-ml?

[mighty knot]

no idea how that would benefit gameplay at all

[still zodiac]

Death Mode is supposed to be an extra challenge, not annoying

[soft sapphire]

no really

[hardy dock]

Hard equals good of course

[soft sapphire]

its for death mode so it makes it harder

[still zodiac]

That's

[hollow shell]

I'm going to delete it because it has no hope

[still zodiac]

Just annoying

[soft sapphire]

and makes u regret messing wit dem

[gray nebula]

having "fun"

playing video games

[hardy dock]

You do realize that eidolan wyrms are stronger than moon lord

[soft sapphire]

awww :(

well, to be expected

[hardy dock]

the adult ones are the most powerful enemies in the entire game

[soft sapphire]

i came up with it quickly

[soft sapphire]

ik

[still zodiac]

There's a line between being difficult and just straight up annoying

[hardy dock]

designed to be literally unkillable

[soft sapphire]

the dungeon gurdians of he abyss

[still zodiac]

Kinda

[mighty knot]

it doesn't make the game harder, though, eidolon wyrms killing you is meant to make you exit the abyss by force for trying to cheese. making you unable to play the game really isn't necessary

harder /= dying more

[soft sapphire]

oh

[hardy dock]

That sounds like it'd be annoying tbh

[hollow shell]

You need to have reasons for your suggestions

[soft sapphire]

wdym

[zenith hazel]

incorrect formatting as well

[hollow shell]

(And also you need to format it properly in order for the bot to process it. Title line and reason/elaboration must be separated using Shift+Enter)

You need to explain why this change would benefit the mod

[earnest cape]

please read the "don'ts" doc too

pinned here, just scroll down a bit

[hollow shell]

I don't think this violates any Don'ts explicitly

[zenith hazel]

also if you want that change, play fargo's emode

[soft sapphire]

im sorry, im new, so i don know too much about here

[zenith hazel]

it has that change, sort of, to an extent

[earnest cape]

well its good practice

oh and they're new so more reasons to read it :D

[hollow shell]

@hardy dock "useless" is a strong word
It digs faster than Molten and Nightmare

Don't forget about how Gelpick would fit into this, too

[hardy dock]

The fact that aerialite is important for making powerful gear means that the marginally faster speed doesn't really feel substantial enough imo

[still zodiac]

It kinda does

Molten and gel are really sluggish

[hardy dock]

gel is faster than skyfringe isn't it

[hollow shell]

Skyfringe is faster than Gel

[still zodiac]

It seems to have the same mine speed as molten

[hollow shell]

Nah, Gel is faster than Molten

[still zodiac]

Huh

[hardy dock]

Wiki lied to me

[hollow shell]

Well, there's also the matter of Gel & Molten breaking all blocks tougher than dirt 1 hit sooner

which contributes to speed

[sand umbra]

byeah, Skyfringe's main problem is moreso a product of how pickaxe power works

Molten and Gelpick end up being faster by default on the vast majority of blocks due to pickaxe power mattering more on tougher blocks, and additionally have the advantage of being able to mine things that Skyfringe can't

so even if you optimize Skyfringe for speed you're still going to end up getting better results on most blocks with Molten/Gel

[distant gyro]

a solid majority of blocks have 100 power exactly

[sand umbra]

there are, realistically, three answers to this problem:
a) making Skyfringe notably faster at mining in general,
b) buffing its pickaxe power to match Molten and Gel, or
c) both of the above

[hollow shell]

Doing both would be a bad idea cuz that'd make Skyfringe stronger than them both

[sand umbra]

indeed

[hollow shell]

despite being earlier

(at least in Gel's case)

[distant gyro]

hp wall

[hollow shell]

(Molten is arguable cuz of PreHM's open progression)

[sand umbra]

and while Skyfringe being better than Molten is justifiable on account of it basically being later, Gelpick should definitely be the best of the three

[distant gyro]

skyfringe can't break clouds in one hit, day ruined

[crude geode]

wtf mega cringe

[sand umbra]

so that leaves two options remaining: either significantly increasing its base speed, or matching Molten and Gel pickaxe power-wise while keeping its speed gently nestled between the two

[hollow shell]

I like the idea of a high speed low pickpower pickaxe
which iirc is what Spadefish does too, and arguably Shroomite Digging Claw if you compare it to Picksaw

[sand umbra]

while the first would be more thematically appropriate and distinctualize it from Gelpick a little, the second option would leave it able to be used for a notably larger portion of the game

[hardy dock]

I'll add a note to my suggestion then

[distant gyro]

Picksaw doesn't make a difference

in terms of hit points disparity at least

one hit trade would require 20 hits on a single block, or a block to have over 4000% hitpoint

Meanwhile Spadefish almost immediately has a hit trade

100% from spade would take 4 hits instead of a copper pick's 3

[hollow shell]

Valid sugg

[crystal stone]

I dont think that skyfringe pick should scale to molten pick, because it will make gelpick useless

[eternal escarp]

the flame as in

the sprites flame?

[gray nebula]

yes

[eternal escarp]

is that even possible to aninate weapon wise while used?

[gray nebula]

I think there's some more important matters than this

[eternal escarp]

i dont think ive seen any weapon used and animated

and yeah, true

[gray nebula]

also uh yeah if its a holdout

yharmi Crystal

[eternal escarp]

hm

right

[gray nebula]

vortex beater

[crystal stone]

no while using the weapon

[eternal escarp]

yeah, while holding it out

[crystal stone]

like daemon's flame

[gray nebula]

you can also do it like pristine fury and have the fire animated in your inventory, and then just gone when used (replaced by the fire projectiles )

[eternal escarp]

yeah true

[earnest cape]

time to go over every single weapon that has fire in its sprite and animate the fire!

[crystal stone]

yaaaaay

[earnest cape]

that was sarcasm

to be harsh this is really unnecessary and I would assume take a lot of time when they could be spending on making updates like 1.5 for example

[eternal escarp]

its really just a detail that doesnt matter at all currently

like iban said

its just

not high priority

or on any priority

[crystal stone]

but just something cool too see like vanity for accesories

[earnest cape]

cool isn't a valid reason per suggestion rules

[eternal escarp]

mhm

you need an actual reason

"itd make sense" is also, not a valid reason

[crystal stone]

fine ill get rid of it

[dim star]

I really hate it when suggestions are worded like “rework summon ai”

Because that literally just means “hey devs, idk you figure out what to do it’s not like this is my suggestion”

[frail mantle]

well it's not always a good idea to be too specific

sometimes the idea you have for a rework isn't what the devs want

[dim star]

Yeah but I feel like “rework some of the summon ai’s” is way too broad

[crude geode]

Suggestions are encouraged to not be super specific so the devs can actually decide on the details, generally speaking. I do think the title of the suggestion is a bit misleading, but it’s still fine.

Especially since it’s already in voting

[dim star]

@soft sapphire kinda like the lul accessory?

Where you can only get it in a cheat mod

[soft sapphire]

sorta, but the lul accessory is hard to get

like, an insta-kill item that is only available after all the bosses

[whole sedge]

doesn't this new sugg explicitly break future content but lul also exists and if you want a one-shot on most bosses just use dev stuff

[soft sapphire]

and only in god-mode

[soft sapphire]

wdym

[dim star]

Having an instant kill boss item in the base mod is not a good idea

Having something exclusive to cheat mods like the lul accessory would work ig

[whole sedge]

Read don'ts for future content and developer weapons like Fabstaff et cetera exist and kinda fill this role already as they're post-game

[dim star]

Since you would already be using those while showcasing mods

[soft sapphire]

i mean, so u can keep ur npc and not die instantly if u have too many

[soft sapphire]

oh :(

I just wanted to make a relevant suggestion

[buoyant idol]

Fyi you can delete your suggestions if you want

[eternal escarp]

and in that case you kinda should since its breaking the rule

also, with your second sugg

you should apply a reason

@soft sapphire

[grim tusk]

Also arent cutscenes a dont since high effort

And yea no reasoning

[eternal escarp]

a little more exciting

[grim tusk]

Both of his suggs are completely invalid

[eternal escarp]

why? because its cool?

[buoyant idol]

@soft sapphire

[soft sapphire]

yea?

[zenith hazel]

your suggestions have no reasoning to them

[soft sapphire]

wdym

[grim tusk]

Also yea i agree, heck most summons are supposed to be played you getting in range and not running away from the boss the whole time

[zenith hazel]

I’ve explained this in the simplest way possible

how are you confused?

[grim tusk]

“It would be cool” is a completely invalid reason

[eternal escarp]

and the first sugg is straight out going over a Dont

[grim tusk]

Second one might be as well (high effort dont)

[whole sedge]

Isn't that like an example under high effort also

[eternal escarp]

dont even remember lol

but this sugg repeats itself so much and gets shot down so much

it might aswell be in the frequently suggested

the "cutscene" one

[grim tusk]

Nah but might as well get added due to how often its suggested

[soft sapphire]

oh

[buoyant idol]

Also the unfriendly critter one might as well be removed

[grim tusk]

Yea

Completely pointless

Heck that mechanic would be annoying as most critters die by accident via lots of projectiles weapons, summons, other mobs, etc)

[gray nebula]

summoner could be made a lot more epicsauce but i feel like that suggestion could be made more uh

appealing to read

also we r already adding more minions rust and dust/acid rain added only like half of the sprited ones

[shell grotto]

apologies, it's a bit long

[gray nebula]

not coming thisi update. i think

[shell grotto]

NW, all in due time I suppose, just wanted to bring up the concern

[grim tusk]

:surprisedshroom:

[heady lichen]

ngl shellfish is stupidly good

I used it to nohit calclone and 2/3 mechs

but summoner does need more options

and more interesting ones at that

[fallow hedge]

my suggestion only needs 2 more stars 👁️ surprised it's actually gotten this close considering how much people need to scroll

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message
yep, it def needs a seizure warning, just 1 more to go

#suggestions-voting message
200 but wasnt it said that something like this was not possible for a similar sugg in the past?

as much I'd like to not grind hours for things like rare sand elemental, giant harpy feather and slime staff I dont think thats gonna happen with the spaghetti code Terraria has

[keen zealot]

yeah this is basically impossible

@fallow hedge if you want this kind of effect use Reduced Grinding, a different mod that by default rolls drop chances twice and boosts drop rates for basically everything slightly. everything's super configurable, and there's a bunch of extra things there that are kinda nice

[fallow hedge]

think you pinged the wrong person

but thanks actually, that could see some use in my runs

also thank you Storm for boosting my suggestion

[keen zealot]

ah yeah whoops

the person I actually wanted to ping has since left

[crude geode]

Kinda surprised the summoner sugg hasn’t been hit with the “too massive of an effort” don’t, because it kind of is.

@hollow shell Is the most recent sugg fine?

[hollow shell]

Hm

It really is asking to expand options throughout the whole game, isn't it

[crude geode]

Yeah it is tbfh

[hollow shell]

mmmmmmyyyeaah

@shell grotto Too big.

It could work if you singled out some key points of pain and made suggestions about those

[shell grotto]

yeah i'll just delete it

[left sparrow]

I was thinking about an idea for a new biome called “The Tainted”

It’d be a third type of world evil, and the colors would be blue/gray. The enemies and bosses would be big and brutish.

Where crimson is best for mages, corruption is good for rangers, the tainted could be good for rogue/melee

[hollow shell]

Nope, new biome suggestions are not allowed

Scale is too large

[left sparrow]

And yet they added the abyss and the astral. Okay

[hollow shell]

Well yeah cuz that was our choice as devs

[left sparrow]

Too much, maybe?

[hollow shell]

They were not community suggestions

[left sparrow]

Hm. Aight

[hollow shell]

We've got almost all major content additions planned out already, from now till Yharim (and thensome)

[left sparrow]

Oh really? Damn, aight

[hollow shell]

mmm, this is indeed the case

I was playing multiplayer with someone on a lower end PC and there's a few weapons/items that we cannot use or we will desync like hell and/or disconnect with each other
Elemental Lance was one of them

[fast viper]

yeah that weapon is just

bruh

[hollow shell]

Maybe the devs could think of some clever way to still make it attack with a lot of projectiles, but not have them all active at once

[fast viper]

yeah i hope they rework it in some way

i was going to suggest that but i didnt really know what to say so i just did "make it less laggy"

besides, it's a good weapon, especially for providence

it's just meme-tier because it instantly drops your fps to like 3 after using it twice

[versed olive]

How would you guys feel if post moon lord, prehardmode enemies were almost completely phased out and replaced with newer variations or enemies? Rn it kinda feels like nothing is really changed after ml is defeated other than the dungeon. It would be a cool immersive change I think, but idk if blocking off vanilla content would be a good idea
I mean stuff like zombies, eyes, and basic slimes could be changed to reflect the new pace of the game

[hollow shell]

You've got the right idea, we have something similar planned already

Not for 1.5 but one of the major updates soon after it

[versed olive]

[eternal escarp]

wouldnt completely blocking out certain mobs also block certain drops (and ig in 1.4, the Bestiary)?

[crude geode]

Certain mobs could still just have certain drops, and the Zoologist could sell something to allow previous mobs to spawn for Bestiary purposes.

[eternal escarp]

hm, makes sense yeah

[tardy smelt]

about the skyfringe suggestion

I always get aerialite pre-hell

[crude geode]

idk how you manage that considering aerialite is post evil boss and hellstone post Eater of Worlds or Brain

[keen zealot]

it's pretty easy to just go straight from the worm/brain to the other brain/worms right away, especially if you overprepared for the first set

I also beat the hive mind before ever setting foot in hell

[crude geode]

While that may be true, Aerialite is always avaliable after hellstone.

[tardy smelt]

Same actually

[tardy smelt]

as in this

[crude geode]

Your choice not to visit hell beforehand.

[tardy smelt]

Also it's worth noting that hell is the second-most difficult pre-hardmode biome

[crude geode]

Ah yes, so difficult. chugs obsidian skin and dunks self in lava, ignoring everything besides imps

[fossil finch]

Obsi skin which is not easy to obtain

[tardy smelt]

if you're more skilled/experienced yes you can get in early but generally considering the evil biomes are way more accessible, and in turn the perfs/hive are more accessible

[fossil finch]

And blood moon way relies totally on luck it's pretty possible you don't get

Ye in general

[tardy smelt]

still I agree with the suggestion

[crude geode]

Obsidian skin is fairly easy to obtain. Obsidian is honestly the hardest part of it, otherwise you just access the Draedon space lab and loot the planters/seeds. And even then

[fossil finch]

I don't because it's intended to be weaker but faster for the blocks it does mine in one swing and there's no simple way around that if you buff it hellstone tier

Remember those get unlocked
We don't know what will unlock obsidian? Yes but the uncertainty should be enough to not have it for granted
It's true, though

(Also, even though hellstone is, indeed, accessible before aerealite, most of hell tells you it's post skeletron and most people i know don't really ignore that)

[tardy smelt]

obsidian is annoying to get up to the point you have evil biome picks

because it's that or explosives

[crude geode]

I mean. That’s when you need it for obsidian skin potions.

Obsidian is indeed annoying to get though, but it’s not that difficult really.

Also this implies aerialite is a simple task of being acquired which is. not exactly true, due to needing clouds mined and harpies killed.

[fossil finch]

Point is, buff it to 100% mining power and it's better than hellstone and gelpick pickaxe, buff the mining speed and you're basically doing nothing, as it is already fast enough to outspeed gelpick in blocks both can mine in one click

[crude geode]

#suggestions-discussion message

Discussed around here

The problem is that due to the way pickaxe power works, Hellstone and Gelpick both take less swings to break certain blocks and can be used for longer than Aerialite, which is restricted purely to pre-hm (and the like 2 bosses you have left)

[fossil finch]

Just use skyfringe on dirt blocks bro

[tardy smelt]

oh

[fossil finch]

[tardy smelt]

hellstone, gelpick AND reaver shark

[crude geode]

Mhm

[tardy smelt]

but I guess it's an alternative for those who don't sell their soul fishing/went to hell for their sequence-breaking sins /j

an early alternative

[crude geode]

Skyfringe can’t even break clouds in one hit

[tardy smelt]

as you'll have to go down anyway

[distant gyro]

this is why pickaxes should either not exist or do something else like gravedigger's shovel

[tardy smelt]

for the WoF fight

[distant gyro]

vanilla is sufficient until blossom

[fossil finch]

Yoo but they look fucking cool

[crude geode]

Gelpick is honestly so redundant

[fossil finch]

And gelpick is faster than hellstone so people love it iirc

[distant gyro]

it also uses hellstone and nobody wants to waste their precious early game hellstone bars

[fossil finch]

Implying you wouldn't be mining a lot of hellstone either way by the time you get gelpick

[distant gyro]

the tradeoff for pickaxes kinda assume that you will be mining more than the average player really need to

considering explosives are handed like flyers for early game

[tardy smelt]

in my last playthrough I just bought stacks upon stacks of dynamite

no bothering with picks

[fossil finch]

I can't bother to actually use my money for something that isn't potions

[distant gyro]

also, yes

a normal moment when you mine the bare sufficient amount of hellstone and be like "gelpick? requires hellstone? ran out, too lazy to get it"

that or think to yourself "this thing will be replace immediately once i kill the giant wall"

it's an enigma

[crude geode]

also what else are you going to make

[fossil finch]

Idk man then I'm talking to myself ig

[crude geode]

Goobow? Geltic Blade?

[distant gyro]

not to overcomplicate tool balancing like an absolute perfectionist but gelpick is really passable as with most other added tools

vanilla kinda has the same ordeal, if you don't need it you won't get it

unless you REALLY want shroomite digging claws in which, you will get it

[fossil finch]

Also gelpick takes less hellstone than hellpick

So uh

[distant gyro]

that's like the only one example

[fossil finch]

A whooping
5 hellstone
Funny

[crude geode]

Prolly cuz you’re using 15 of your 30-50 purified gel for it.

[tardy smelt]

Shroomite Digging Claws is bought though (or is it?)

there's a good number of incentives to get it

[fossil finch]

Sg is not hard to farm at all
You're gonna kill it multiple times for the entire armor anyways
And if the problem is running out of hellstone, idk what pick you're gonna use then, reaver?

[distant gyro]

it's the only non-necessary tool I can think of that people may go out of their way to get

hammush is the one bought

[tardy smelt]

first of all depending on your class you'll be housing a truffle anyway

if you're ranged shroomite is basically a must-have

secondly shroomite digging claws are one of the, if not the fastest mining tool in vanilla

I'm not sure if it's matched, surpassed, or slightly outclassing the DCU

[fossil finch]

Fastest but then 1.3 existed

[tardy smelt]

But it's up there

[crude geode]

SG is not hard to farm but it is annoying af to do.

[fossil finch]

Lunar pickaxes outspeed it with mining buffs

[tardy smelt]

Lunar Pickaxes are also kind of acquired at a point of progression you'll barely need any more picks anyway

[fossil finch]

Dcu is slowest for tunneling but faster for overall mining

Yes indeed

[distant gyro]

normally people would just do
nightmare --> molten (evil) (optionally skip both to reaver) --> hm ore --> pickaxe axe --> picksaw --> lunar --> blossom

[tardy smelt]

if you do classes like rogue you might skip hm ore picks entirely

[fossil finch]

Idk man i go straight to gelpick
It's easy as hell to do with materials i already need anyways and it's faster than molten

[tardy smelt]

since their early hardmode sets don't require hardmode ores

[fossil finch]

No you don't forge and anvil exist

[tardy smelt]

oh right-

yeah.

[distant gyro]

rarely does someone pick up something like the beastial pick

or both non-shroomite deviations of chlorophyte

[crude geode]

Reaver’s existence confuses me. What is the point of it flavor wise

[tardy smelt]

Perennial ore has always seemed rather pointless to me

Clorophyte two electric boogaloo

[fossil finch]

It used to be a post plantera melee armor

[crude geode]

but you see, it’s not in the jungle and the armor is getting reworked so it’s very unique.

[distant gyro]

perennial is kinda chlorophyte but less useless but also not useful at the same time

the armor alone won't scratch the surface that

post-plantera genuinely has too much things to place the set in

[crude geode]

Three Hardmode Mod Ores
-Deep Sea ore with themes of underwater vents and massive heat
-Icy ore that isn’t really done in anyway in vanilla, so it’s kinda just a classic
-Perennial’s ???? Green

[fossil finch]

Perennial quite literally looks like plants and flowers

[tardy smelt]

funny star monolyth ore- oh wait

[crude geode]

Ah here we are

Savage plant-life

[distant gyro]

ice, fire, and plant

[crude geode]

you know, completely original and distinct from the ore that literally grows in mud

[fossil finch]

I mean that one is instead

Uh

Plant life

Yea

[crude geode]

If you made all of the perennial crafts made from chlorophyte, nobody would bat an eye aside from the two modded + one non

[tardy smelt]

imagine placing luminite underground

and pretending it naturally generates post-moonlord

[fossil finch]

Literally AA

Also the thing with making all reaver stuff with chloro is that that would present a complete retier

[crude geode]

Perennial’s theming when compared to Cryonic and Scoria is just completely redundant

[fossil finch]

Of either reaver or chloro shit

[crude geode]

I’m aware, I’m not saying to do that

I’m saying that it’s very unoriginal and basically just a copy paste of a theme

[distant gyro]

technically all 3 bars follow existing themes

[crude geode]

I can maybe see Scoria and Hellstone? Maybe?

[distant gyro]

yep, and Cryonic is the deviation of Crystal Shard

the ore is rather crystal than ice

[crude geode]

…I dislike that comparison but I can see it

[distant gyro]

and so are the weapons

..and armor

hopefully it'll deviate

[crude geode]

The problem with Perennial in comparison, at least to me, is that there’s no real reason for it to be such a blatant following of an existing theme.

[distant gyro]

If Scoria can deviate to volcanic theme then so can the rest imo

[crude geode]

Crystal Shards are barely used in vanilla, so expanding on them with Cryonic can work in a way.

Scoria both has a volcanic theme and is very very far away from it’s original.

[distant gyro]

it's very far from hellstone now

[crude geode]

I meant in terms of progression as well as the theme ngl

Meanwhile Chlorophyte is used for a shit ton in vanilla, and is also literally a step away from Perennial.

[distant gyro]

tbf most of chloro's (practical) uses is for anything but chloro

[crude geode]

True, but the base weapons and armor are still there, while Crystal shards are used for like, bullets and a book

[tardy smelt]

Chlorophyte is used for a million things except crafting chlorophyte things

Shotbow is the only remotely viable chloro weapon

[crude geode]

vanilla balancing

[fallow hedge]

sweet, my suggestion got implemented; thanks devs =)

I know it wasn't a tall order but it is appreciated for accessibility reasons

[distant gyro]

unrelated suggestion

[tardy smelt]

Me waiting to see if my suggestion will still reach 200 after a month

[cobalt pewter]

@distant gyro the linked img broke

Apparently

[distant gyro]

how

[distant gyro]

okay, gonna try posting here instead and testing if the link works

[cobalt pewter]

[distant gyro]

image

[cobalt pewter]

Yea worl

Work

[distant gyro]

does the link exist now

[crude geode]

Yeah

[cobalt pewter]

Ya it shows now

[crude geode]

this looks awfully similar to thorium’s bard and healer class labels

[cobalt pewter]

as is every other tags in Terraria modding

[distant gyro]

does discord privatize any image if you post in a server with like 10 members

[cobalt pewter]

Idk discord funny

Also there will be tags in cal iirc

[crude geode]

Thoughts as much tbfh

Wacky

[distant gyro]

it's the universal terrarian tag format

[crude geode]

It’s at least very noticeable

[radiant meadow]

Altix literally just out here stealing my ideas but with different colors and different tags.

[eternal escarp]

[grim tusk]

wonder why atlix posted it here instead of just using CD privileges

but yea we need em rather than having to look at wiki

[eternal escarp]

altix plays by the rules like a good citizen

[frozen hornet]

Bloodflare wings doesn't exist but I guess they can make one

I do think compound stuff are a bit eh

[ashen python]

i dont think godslayer wings exist either

unless im wrong

[frozen hornet]

God slayer wings are being implemented some time in the future,maybe next update but I doubt it

[sleek turret]

godslayer hoverboard or booster iirc

[frozen hornet]

Ssme thing but yea

[full pivot]

is suggesting a super dummy overhaul (i.e having it be configurable so that it moves or have a certain defence/dr) against the rules

i read thru them but am still a bit unsure

[eternal escarp]

if it has a real reason

yeah

[fossil finch]

Can you actually provide examples

Because the ones i recall do fly to you if you get too far

Then there's squirrel but that one is funny

[grim tusk]

Squirrel is being fixed

Stormlions, magic conch, that crimson spider staff, and star swallowers would appreciate that sugg tho

[fossil finch]

crabs 100% do fly to you

[dark kernel]

Done

[grim tusk]

Vile feeder flies

[dark kernel]

Ok

[void kelp]

@distant gyro can’t we just bring this straight to dev

[dapper coral]

Something something gauging public response to the idea, probably

[ashen warren]

Auric Tesla Wings aren't a good idea imo

We have Celestial Tracers and Drew's Wings

[median dove]

storm jaw gets stuck on platforms above you

same with snail thing

[unique reef]

Yeah, some of the summons either follow you too closely or don't follow you until they're like 50 tiles offscreen

Wulfrum drone summon tends to give up on a target very often, even if the target is still right below it

[void kelp]

summon AI being weird is partially like, a tmodloader issue iirc

[hollow shell]

Eh

[void kelp]

thinking about more like uhh

the resummon thing

[keen zealot]

Pretty sure super dummies aren't Calamity's thing. IIRC it's either fargo's mutant mod or tmodloader itself that adds it. If you want a better dummy try Luiafk's improved dummy, it allows you to change defence as well as iframes, unfortunately not DR though

[hollow shell]

Super Dummies are added by Calamity.

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Dummy

[crude geode]

Aren’t Drew’s Wings meant to be Auric Tesla Wings?

[hollow shell]

He's asking for wings in the style of Auric Tesla armor, as in a menagerie of effects

That being said

@ashen python You could put more into your suggestion to explain why you want those wings

[ashen python]

alright

[hollow shell]

atm it's just that it'll make bosses easier and that Celestial Tracers are "meh", without elaboration

[ashen python]

Is the suggestion better written now?

[hollow shell]

Better

[ashen python]

better?

[hollow shell]

It is better yeah

[ashen python]

but is it good

because "better" doesn't nessecarily mean good

[grim tusk]

Luiafk dummy still has some wonkyness vs things like arsenal weapons and big hitbox, so theres upsides to Cal super dummy

[ashen python]

its just my brain fucking with me

[distant gyro]

wanted to know how many people bother with the mechanic

[hollow shell]

mm, a suggestion we have gotten before. A bit of an extreme one but I get the motive

[crude geode]

Unsure how this is a calamity problem tbh

Slime God’s summoning item would also be a better thing to note tbh, as it actually has annoying to gather materials instead of things you’re already gathering along early hardmode.

[eternal escarp]

tbf, most tedious boss sumons i can think of are calamity's

and maybe moonlord and DFish but those arent hard to craft unlike cryo key or whatever

[earnest cape]

@hollow shell

someone looking to get banned, as usual

[dim star]

What happened?

Did someone send the nword in the suggestion channel or something

[fossil finch]

Subsuming is just funny drawing the same projectile 10 times on top of itself and making it spawn funny

[earnest cape]

take acceptance as the retrospect of the fight

it isn't anticlimactic

if you want to understand why it goes to calm you have to understand the full context of the song which in my opinion can be summed up like the 5 stages of grief

it starts off fine, then overtime it gets more chaotic as bad emotions takes over, like how the fight gets harder and harder the more you progress and finally ending it all by beating scal and she finally reaches acceptance

tl;dr the song is symbolic

god I wish im better at explaining

[unique reef]

yeah, i get what you're saying.

SCal is accepting that she can't beat you, and just lets you finish her off

[earnest cape]

after reading the suggestion more i probably should've understood it better

god my brain doesn't want to work

but yeah would be nice if the transition was smoother

[crystal iron]

pin suggestions that got 200 stars in voting

in general-talk, funny/relatable etc messges get pinned, i assume its for others to check them out, so doing the same for suggestions wouldn't exactly be bloat or anything. i personally like to read suggs that reached 200 stars cuz it kills time and serves as a potential chanelogs, and can also give people an idea of what will/wont get implemented based off of what gets rejected or approved.

[sand umbra]

the problem with this from a perspective of reasoning is that something being approved does not mean it will ever happen

there have been suggestions that have been approved and then left in a state of limbo for legitimately like a year

suggs that reach 200 stars wouldn't really serve as a potential changelog of any sort and would moreso just clog up the pins so people can't read the actually important things that are pinned

...granted, some people don't read those pins anyway, but that's not the point

[tardy smelt]

also there's a pin limit

[sand umbra]

that too

[tardy smelt]

whenever someone posts a funny™️ in my server's general chat but I realise the pins have been flooded with pins of memes of the former server owner

and I can't pin it ;-;

in all fairness I should clean up that channel's pins

[earnest cape]

they're sent somewhere else too so making it kinda obsolete

for server suggs mods take a look at it, or mod suggs qualified beta testers send it to dev server

what I mean by "qualified beta testers" is the beta tester in question is an official beta tester in the dev server

...i probably should've said official instead shouldn't I

actually that makes me wonder how the fuck philo looked up all the suggs that reached req

[pine star]

what did philo do and how?

[eternal escarp]

they used to keep track and post a full report like thing about suggestions which pass, and shtuff

but they cant anymore because

yeah

[pine star]

yeah

Also why is Fabsol's status "Armor set bonuses."?

[eternal escarp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[civic gust]

nerfing brimflame maybe

[distant gyro]

I think that happened

[eternal escarp]

it did yes

[distant gyro]

I remember telling Ozz how to block loot from vanilla bags a few months back

the suggestion with the flag #suggestions-voting message

@fallen plover good news

[fallen plover]

Oh lol

Was this already in changelogs and I just missed it?

[distant gyro]

don't think it's in changelog

but it was completed 4 months ago

holy shit luck pulled out 5 weapons in 1 bag

[fallen plover]

Alright good to know then, that’s definitely a good change

Should I delete my sugg?

[distant gyro]

yeah, since it's already implemented

[fallen plover]

👍 done

[fallow hedge]

Harvester Parts huh

[distant gyro]

luiafk stuff

[fallow hedge]

nvm those are part of luiafk

Je suis l'imbecile

[grim tusk]

Already happened, 100% deserved rework (no longer bonkers on glass, but now usable regularly due to more defense)

[grim tusk]

Welcome change

[fallow hedge]

yes that is excellent, a little less RNG to deal with

[cobalt pewter]

Context for the uninitiated

(or late ig)

[tardy smelt]

in all fairness terraria is 76% RNG

[sleek turret]

its even more

[distant gyro]

making vanilla weapon drops 1/4 - 1/3 rather than 1/n number of drops on the pool

[cobalt pewter]

Ahh

[fallow hedge]

so basically one guaranteed, others if you're lucky

right?

[ashen warren]

[mighty knot]

@ashen warren already a thing in deathmode

[ashen warren]

it should apply to expert and rev mode too

[still zodiac]

I think its fine tbh

Nobody is forced to nurse cheese a Boss if they keep dying, most of post-ML bosses aren't nurse cheeseable anyway

And in the next update most teleporting stuff is disabled while a Boss is alive anyway

[ashen warren]

even the rod of discord?

[still zodiac]

No

[whole sedge]

It's just rod hence most and not all

[still zodiac]

By most teleporting stuff I meant recalls, teleporters and Astral jewel random tp

Oh and Astral arcanum too

[ashen warren]

do calamity weapons autoswing?

[still zodiac]

Not the correct place to ask that but yes

Calamity also adds autoswing to some vanilla weapons

[ashen warren]

built in omniswing nice

[twilit warren]

i agree with this sugg

[dim star]

I’m really not sure if I like the “increase drop chance if you don’t get it” suggestion

[whole sedge]

Don't have to star it then

[novel belfry]

WHAT

[gray nebula]

YO

CSG SKINS!

SO COOL

[novel belfry]

DO NOT CLICK IT

ASAP

[noble bear]

SCAM!!!!

[gray nebula]

@bitter topaz hi (oops sorry

[novel belfry]

thank god

[gray nebula]

nooo my csgo skins

[noble bear]

its gone

[novel belfry]

quick question did you take a photo of the scam

[gray nebula]

nah

moderators have a deletiion log tho

[novel belfry]

because I feel like the guy's not gonna stop at the Calamity discord

[violet sierra]

Is calamity potions not getting alchemy table effects an intended balancing quirk

[hollow shell]

I think that only occurs with the potions that require the Alchemy Table

But I could be wrong

[violet sierra]

Well either way, is it intended

im trying to figure out so i can figure out if its worth making a sug

becuase it seems weird

[hollow shell]

I do not know

Feel free to make a suggestion about it

[safe oasis]

i'd say submit it in #bugs-read-pins first and if told it's intended then just make a sugg

[waxen cobalt]

I was able to cheese moon lord very easily in expert I accept that sugg

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message
Unsure if most people care

I lean towards no

[dapper coral]

my personal opinion on things like this is that if you hate X cheese so much, just don't do it yourself, no need to try and restrict other people
it is a sandbox game after all, people can do what they want if they so wish

however, i would not contest the fact that it does make some, if not most, bosses significantly easier

[tardy smelt]

Moonlord is unbearable without cheese in my experience

Specifically nurse cheese

At least the laser doesn't pass thro walls in 1.3

[dim star]

I know right?

If your character is named Sam just don’t use the murasama early

[hexed ore]

To be fair there is a thing called getting good at the fight and learning how it works

[dense ferry]

Yeah, sure, but you gotta think some people don't have either the time, patience or even capacity to do so

[hexed ore]

Then the boss is going to remain hard for them

[tardy smelt]

Oh no I mean yes that thing exists

it's just that my brain can barely comprehend the absolute clusterfuck of projectiles the moonlord summons

it's not even like- an organised clusterfuck it's just all the possible sources of bullets exhausting bullets in the most random and frustrating ways

e.g. not only do I find it a hard boss I also find it a really terrible one

[ripe owl]

"Auric Wings"
Drew Wings be like:

[stiff wren]

drew wings? did you mean celestial tracers?

drew wings dont exist

[hollow shell]

. _.

[pastel wraith]

i always found moonlord too easy. of course i may be unintentionally cheesing it but idk

i wont talk about it here

[dense locust]

both mirror and teleporters are gonna be disabled during boss fights next update so disabling nurse at that point is just unnecessary

[pastel wraith]

didnt even know those were enabled during fights

[hollow shell]

We used to disable them to prevent cheese (like 3 or 4 years ago)
Then we re-enabled them (like 2 years ago)
aaand now we're disabling them again

Different balancing attitudes over time.

[hexed ore]

Mozzarella moment

[shadow knoll]

Cheese is cheese end of disscusion

[clever plume]

All you need for moon lord is a very long platform

[mighty patio]

or more than 10 brain cells

[keen zealot]

fighting moon lord without an arena or even just a long platform is practically a death sentence

[slate tendon]

just run fast bro

[hexed ore]

Eat ass, smoke grass, sled fast

Guide to moon lord 101

[hollow shell]

:|

[fair radish]

I know the suggestion is awful but I thought the starter armors were cool

[hollow shell]

Not a bad suggestion, but it does need more reasoning
Something more objective and useful than "It would be cool"

[fair radish]

Yeah...

[hollow shell]

(also "Jungle for Mage" already exists, Jungle Armor is pre-boss.)

I spose that's a bit hard to get for a starting armor tho

[fair radish]

The other reason is that there’s not much more outside of Wulfrum armor for other classes, and I guess it would allow for other classes to get easy armor without having to farm for Wulfrum scraps which I found to be a pain sometimes

But that might just be a me thing I guess

[hollow shell]

Indeed
And it increases variety in different class playthroughs, as you go for different materials at the start and experience a bit of the game with whatever unique set bonus the armor has

[fair radish]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

as opposed to the 5-helmet standard
where every class goes for the same thing

[fair radish]

I love what Snow Ruffian and Desert Prowler did

The glide being very unique and helpful with the sandstorm and other stuff also being useful

I can’t remember Desert Prowler armor

[zenith hazel]

one tip would be to remove that last line as it only serves as filler

[hollow shell]

Desert Prowler has mini sandstorms on-hit occasionally

[fair radish]

Which line?

[hollow shell]

The crossed out one

byeah you could add some of the stuff we just talked about to your suggestion as reasoning

[fair radish]

There I made it better

[hollow shell]

ah you did

Looking good

[fair radish]

I adjusted wording and made it more clear as why it could be good, as we just talked about

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's better

One last complaint I have is that it's not really necessary to specify which new class armors get which biomes
as some people could disagree with your specific choices

[fair radish]

True, I just went with what made the most sense dangit Hyper you read that in the “don’ts” why didn’t you apply that here

[hollow shell]

(At least you bothered to read them. Many don't 😔)

[fair radish]

(Really?)

[hollow shell]

(Yeah.. it's one of the reasons why #suggestions-posting exists, as a filter channel for #suggestions-voting. You used to be allowed to post stuff directly into voting, but a lot of people would post invalid suggestions and would need to be adjusted or deleted)

(which made things... messy)

[fair radish]

(Ah, that makes sense)

Also I removed the bits of which biome goes to which armor

It does look better I’ll admit

[cobalt pewter]

5-helmet armors bad grr

[fair radish]

But yeah, that’s just what I thought, the Snow Ruffian set helped a lot as well when I played for the first time as it gave me an armor set to use before I got Wulfrum

Or you could go straight to Victide

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[fair radish]

When I started my “Murasama only” playthrough I didn’t have an armor set I could go for besides Wulfrum

So it would be extremely helpful if more starter armors were added for classes

[hollow shell]

I mean the vanilla sets do still exist

[fair radish]

True

But Vanilla sets lame and bad lmaooo
Jokes aside I like using modded armor as opposed to vanilla armors... I don’t know why I do it, but I just kinda do, but yeah the vanilla armors do exists, wood armors just exist and the ore armors are ok I think

[hollow shell]

Indeed, vanilla set bonuses in PreHM are very.. basic

[fair radish]

Which kinda makes sense, saving the cool stuff for Hm but I enjoy having the cool stuff in Pre-Hm as well

Except for the original Hm ore set bonuses

Gosh I hate those so much

[grim tusk]

Mage has jungle and meteor early game. Summoner and melee need a pre-boss armor

[hollow shell]

The thing about Jungle and Meteor is that you gotta progress a bit and work to get them

Snow Ruffian and Desert Prowler are

basically at the start

[fair radish]

And early Jungle is...

[grim tusk]

Meteor is bomb orb and :))))))
Jungle i agree

[fair radish]

Especially on higher difficulties

I hate Jungle even in classic

[whole sedge]

Meteor can also be kind of considered later game also as could argue it's supposed to be post-evil boss but isn't just yet
jungle's kinda bleh

[fair radish]

^

And Meteor is proven to be later game as it was moved to Post-Evil Boss

In 1.4

[grim tusk]

1.4 is irrelevant

Since future content

[fair radish]

Until 1.4 tMod comes out

[whole sedge]

Yeah it's irrelevant even though it's a nice place to put it but focus is kinda more on jungle and earlier-game armors ig

[fair radish]

Jungle is something I typically don’t call “early game”, as it’s an obnoxious biome to explore through sometimes

It can be early game

But I wouldn’t say it’s “start of the game”

Unlike Snow Ruffian and Desert Prowler

[cold cosmos]

Personally i feel like summoner should be more fleshed out in general

[hollow shell]

Ah yeah I wanted to mention
Flinx Fur Coat does exist in 1.4. Which isn't super early game but still the earliest summoner armor

[hot zephyr]

Flinx Fur Coat is actually hilariously strong

[fair radish]

1.4.1 to be exact, but Flinx Fur Coat is great

Adds a lot for Summoner

Especially with the disgustingly good summon

[fallow hedge]

Wulfrum is pretty annoying to get I agree, and I think adding a slightly weaker armour for the classes that need it(Melee and Summoner) would help mitigate that issue a smidge

[ashen warren]

Is giving the angler a shop section even possible?

[hollow shell]

Probably possible

Question is how hard

[spring lantern]

possible - this might allow to remove bait trades from merchant to angler. Or buying some aquatic food like Hadal stew or sea food

i hate collecting bait to begin to collect bait

[tardy smelt]

Melee gets a lot of attention in Pre-Hardmode though... the evil armor sets and Hellstone tier all benefit it directly or indirectly

and the defense given by the ore sets is always most beneficial for melee weapons

[tardy smelt]

referring to this btw

[keen zealot]

Idk

Melee has the vanilla armours

all of which boost mining speed in calamity

I believe platinum boosts by 50%? crazy

so you just hop from like... tin armour pretty much straight onto silver+

very early on

especially if you have any external mods to help vanilla mining of specifically ores along

I remember I got gold armour within an hour of starting my most recent world

the run before that, with little to no assistance from other mods, in under two hours

[crude geode]

iirc that’s changing next update

[distant gyro]

only the 8 ore armors boost mining speed

and those armors just grant defense, which make them not specific to melee

[keen zealot]

as previously mentioned, high defence benefits melee the most since it's most likely to be closer to the enemy and therefore take more hits

[distant gyro]

it's a stretch to call them melee armor nonetheless

since defense is a global stat, and ranged melee exists

[keen zealot]

I didn't say it was melee specific armour, I said melee had the option of ore armour

one of its best options early on too

unless you consider ancient shadow but like come on man

that's half an hour of just killing floating worm-like creatures when you could instead be killing grounded worm creatures

[distant gyro]

all classes have the option of ore armor

it's just unoptimal for classes with unique armor because there are better choices

[keen zealot]

summoner also wants the extra minion on wulfrum over the defence in most cases

which just leaves mage and melee as the vanilla armour preferenced classes

[distant gyro]

it mostly returns to the ancient meta-hog question that is "which armor is the best"

[keen zealot]

right right mage has jungle if you're more daring

[keen zealot]

I mean that is kind of the point of having this discussion in the first place, is it not?

[distant gyro]

the core of the suggestion is more like adding choices

when it eventually boils down to one choice either way

[keen zealot]

true

[crude geode]

Valkyrie Ray not having auto swing is a coding thing iirc

[eternal escarp]

yeah, think so

because of how it behaves, it cant get auto swing

[heavy zealot]

Yeah that's a thing that crossed my mind, maybe it was a coding thing

that's a shame then, it's a good weapon 😦

Dunno if there are any other weapons like this, i've just killed calamitas for the first time

[keen zealot]

@heavy zealot use Omniswing. it's a mod that makes everything autoswing

[eternal escarp]

(which sounds like it has the possibility to break certain weapons too)

[heavy zealot]

will try it! thanks 🙂
if it breaks something I'll just remove it, whatever 😐

[keen zealot]

they tested it a good amount. spears and yoyos used to not work properly, but they made those things work. anything that already reuses itself automatically should not be affected

[heavy zealot]

this suggestions thing is nice, though I think it'd be nice to reference the suggestion itself in here when starting the discussion, just for it to be more readable

[keen zealot]

your suggestion hasn't made it into voting yet; a message link would only work for the next 24 hours or so

also, it is pretty easy to work out based on context what the suggestion was

in most cases

[heavy zealot]

oh well I meant it was if staff comes looking for the discussion it may be quite extra time to figure out where are every suggestion discussions, not my case in particular

[keen zealot]

discussions usually come up in roughly the order they're submitted

there IS a date and timestamp there, so it's not too hard to trace a day or two back and forth

also, the search function exists

[eternal escarp]

and most of the time these discussions dont actually matter for the devs, only for the users and sugg moderators

[keen zealot]

if you saw the suggestion in voting three weeks from now, you could search a key word, such as in this case 'autoswing' and immediately get brought to recent mention of the words

also that

[eternal escarp]

these discussions are mostly viewed when the sugg is still in posting and the sugg either breaks rules or someone wants to add to it

[keen zealot]

mostly the devs care about whether the suggestion was interesting or popular

[eternal escarp]

these discussions mean nothing for the devs once it reaches 200 basically

or once it goes into #suggestions-voting

[heavy zealot]

sure makes sense, I was missing some points 😛

[fossil finch]

This is practically unnecessary, really

Omniswing exists, and almost every weapon already have autoswing
Weapons that don't are intended to not have it

[frail mantle]

@gray nebula thy judgement is required

[gray nebula]

nah

[frail mantle]

Well that was quick

[pine star]

Where is :POWERmeow: from?

[gray nebula]

i got pinged as i was reading the sugg lmao

powermeow comes from my own emote server, i stole it from the jetshift discord that added it with the background and everytihng

[pine star]

Oh

haha

[gray nebula]

anywyas instead add more andromeda attack modes and resprite it to look like an exo mech ✌️😳

[pine star]

:godflushed:

[fathom field]

a mining mode still would be useful doe

so you wont have to deactivate and activate the mech everytime you gotta mine something if blocks are in your way and whatever you are fighting is going to hit you

[gray nebula]

jus mine

or use the tiny mode

also why would you use the mech somewhere thats encumbered

[fathom field]

what if the tunnel is like 2 blocks tall

[fathom field]

idk i just like using it

[gray nebula]

[fathom field]

its just cool ok

[worn salmon]

better suggestion let us use multiple mounts at a time

[river glen]

#suggestions-voting message yay mine reached 200

[distant gyro]

yourdid

[dim star]

#suggestions-voting message I cry

Why can’t they add an option for that

[whole sedge]

likely because it'd be pretty difficult to do

[dim star]

Post ml boss fights with multiple people are so cluttered

[distant gyro]

it just doesn't work like that