suggestions-discussion

[violet sierra]

Why

[crude geode]

Lore items gone next update

[violet sierra]

No they arent

their effects are gone

they still exist

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711268703991365642/848709113231835146/dead.PNG

[crude geode]

True

Probably so you don’t acquire fifty thousand of them when farming bosses

[violet sierra]

some items that you get from bag only drop once thought? Im pretty sure at least

doesnt Mushroom plasma root only drop once

[crude geode]

If you’ve consumed it yes, I believe

[hollow shell]

Yeah it checks if it's been consumed

[violet sierra]

Hmmm

then it might be an issue then, yeah

[crude geode]

You can’t really consume a lore item

[hollow shell]

Direct drops are easier because you can just check if the boss has been killed before

Can't do that for a bag or you'll never get the item, the boss is dead before you open it the first time

[violet sierra]

alright then, still annoying to have to cheat sheet it in becuase you forgot but I guess its better than getting tons of worthless lore items

[hollow shell]

Forgot what?

[crude geode]

To grab the lore item

[hollow shell]

You can craft them.

[violet sierra]

sometimes I just forget to grab the lore item, or sometimes the boss dies and i forget where they died

You can?

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Victory_Shard

[violet sierra]

huh

[hollow shell]

Victory Shards' new primary purpose

[violet sierra]

I never knew about this

[crude geode]

Yeah it’s nice

[violet sierra]

moot point then, thanks

[hollow shell]

👍

It is a relatively new addition so I understand if you didn't know

[crude geode]

I wouldn't mind a way to consolidate lore somehow, possibly into some kind of book, so it doesn't take up so many slots of storage

[whole sedge]

Yeah would be nice to have like a lorebook then just making the lores consumable to be put in there

[violet dagger]

oh yeah a lore item that combines them all won't be a don't anymore

since they have no effect next update

[hollow shell]

Indeed
Prolly gonna re-evaluate and remove several Don'ts once 1.5 comes around

[hollow shell]

@hardy wing Congratulations

[ashen warren]

Why is Cycos sugg still up if he said he won't add anything

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Are you going to elaborate at all

(Oh right this is probably moot anyway cuz there's a huge PostML rebalance and Yharon fight change next update)

[hardy wing]

[unique reef]

[wooden wedge]

well ❗ suggs are deleted after 24 hours anyway so meh iirc

[hollow shell]

(enter too early moment)

[violet sierra]

[sand umbra]

/headtilt

what do you mean here

[cobalt pewter]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[sand umbra]

very non-specific expression

[hollow shell]

Well for one @scenic pine Your reason needs to be separated from your title line using Shift+Enter

And for two, you definitely need to elaborate more on why it is impossibly difficult

[whole sedge]

Yeah, just saying "it too hard pls fix" doesn't tell us at all what's making it too difficult or what's making the boss fight feel cheap et cetera.

[scenic pine]

Alright

I'm completely redoing it so it'll take quite a bit

[hollow shell]

Alright.

[whole sedge]

Going into specifics on what should be changed also isn't something you should likely do
really this entire sugg is wack because of 1.5 also

[earnest cape]

what should be nerfed
*Laser damage by 2%
*The on fire debuff by 10%
*firing speed and velocity by 10%

---

Boss rush version
*Just health scaling speed by 13%
this part is WAY too specific

[sand umbra]

iirc there are changes coming to Rev+ WoF in 1.5

[mighty knot]

yes but we aren't supposed to take upcoming content into account for suggestions right

[cobalt pewter]

In a sense yes

[scenic pine]

I didnt just want to be asking to nerf everything by too much

[sand umbra]

not taking upcoming content into account causes suggs to end up clashing with upcoming content

[dapper coral]

you're not allowed to suggest about upcoming content

[earnest cape]

you should take upcoming content for your sugg but don't base it around it

[sand umbra]

like I'm sorry but upcoming content should be taken into account when not directly suggesting something change about it

[cobalt pewter]

Ye, was about to say that

[dapper coral]

but making suggs about something that is going to make your point different/moot would be pointless

[cobalt pewter]

I'm bad at words atm

[hollow shell]

anyway yeah Nightmare you shouldn't have exact numerical nerf values

Because then conversation around your suggestion becomes concerned about balancing your exact nerf decisions, rather than the concept of nerfing WoF in general

i.e. how does a 2% nerf to lasers damage matter at all?

[whole sedge]

don't see how cutting laser damage by a measly 2% would do much anyways
Yeah, suggestions are made to more be underlying issues with the boss rather than exact numerical changes per attack et cetera

[scenic pine]

Forgot to put the 0 behind the 2

[whole sedge]

That's still 2%?

[scenic pine]

I meant to say 20%

I meant to say 20%

[hollow shell]

That's more fair

However you still should not give exact numbers

[whole sedge]

Yeah, at least then you might have breakpoint threshold changes but either way exact numbers are a no-no

[scenic pine]

Fixed it

[hollow shell]

Better

[ashen warren]

Isn't yharon regen phase getting yeeted

[muted osprey]

yeah lol

[hollow shell]

I would be sad if he doesn't regen anymore, but I think so

[dapper coral]

it is indeed being yeeted

phase changes are now just phase changes like the rest of the bosses, no more 100 --> 10 --> 100 --> 0

[hollow shell]

Damn

Regen while RotJD picks up is a really defining moment for the fight

[dapper coral]

the break is still there for the intro bit of rotjd, it's just not regen anymore

[hollow shell]

Hm

So, this suggestion still applies

If he does still remain invulnerable for the transition

[dapper coral]

the second part applies, but the regen part is no longer valid (obviously)

@barren plover read above, regen is getting removed but you can still sugg to have yharon stand still because the transition will still exist, just without the regen

gonna mark as exclam'd until that is changed

[barren plover]

Thnx for the ping, I was not aware of the upcoming change (since I only saw phase 1+2 are getting merged in the changelog).
Will he still be charging at you while invulnerable during the transition? That was my biggest gripe of the phase

I've also edited the suggestion, let me know if it still needs to be changed

[dapper coral]

currently yes he does that

the phase itself is entirely the same, it's just that regen is dead

Yharon is completely invulnerable while regenerating,
change regenerating to transitioning and i think we good

sweet

looks good now

[hollow shell]

@lilac raptor Bug net is fair. However, a fishing rod can be crafted for literally 8 wood.

[distant gyro]

Bug net can also be crafted

for some reason

[dapper coral]

can it really?

[distant gyro]

I think Hec made a funny buzz about it

[dapper coral]

that's very strange

[hollow shell]

Oh, I never knew that

[distant gyro]

back in the old days

[hollow shell]

At an anvil

So, still a bit after immediate earlygame

but still super early

[distant gyro]

#suggestions-voting message

[dapper coral]

i was gonna say that considering you can get bug net within an hour of playing, just by getting the merchant to show up, it ain't really necessary in the bag

[distant gyro]

the legacy lives on

[hollow shell]

Thamk you, past Hec

[ashen warren]

I mean squirrel squire can also be crafted in 8 seconds

[dapper coral]

smh pandering

[robust lava]

Wow suggestions were different back in the day

[ashen warren]

I am wondering why this was added

[hollow shell]

The reason why is linked right below :P

[frail mantle]

_ _

[cobalt pewter]

Rover is COOL

[distant gyro]

facts

[crystal iron]

about the wall of flesh sugg, shouldnt he be really hard, cuz he unlocks so much content

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Don't talk in that channel

[ashen warren]

sorry misclicked

thougth i clicked discussion

[hollow shell]

And yeah the bot goes down sometimes, it'll be back up soonish

(I guess you can take this opportunity to flip around "slime crown" and "desert medallion" in your sugg's title)

(as the way its worded now makes a bit less sense)

[ashen warren]

done

[hollow shell]

👍

[tardy smelt]

no, it's still a mid-early game boss on the larger scheme of things

so unless you want a difficulty curve with the consistency of a kaleidoscope in a carousel it's ok to hold back on the difficulty at this stage

despite that the suggestion in question is for an extra difficulty mode and especially because your movement options are much more limited at this stage of the game

[fossil finch]

Movement stops being limited just at that stage lmao

[brisk bramble]

How Would the 1.4 Patches affect Calamity as a whole?
Is it a Major or a minor?

[eternal escarp]

would likely be known when 1.4 tmod fully releases

also, not sure if this was the correct place to ask

[fossil finch]

Minor, really

Main concerns would be probably be whippin'

[tardy smelt]

Almost true

You don't really have good flight accessories yet (in vanilla)

[vital condor]

except that's a suggestion about calamity...and rev+, at that

[tardy smelt]

Alright fair enough

Still while my mobility argument falls flat the difficulty one still kind of stands

You can't just make everything hell, you gotta progress from hateful to hellish to abyssmal

Which is why a slight nerf to a slightly bullshit fight can't hurt

[still zodiac]

All of the new accessory combinations tho

[crude geode]

Can’t wait for magic quiver/upgrades to not be equippable while you already have an upgrade on

[crude geode]

Borealis Bomber was a mistake lmao

[pine star]

Though yeah, summoner Luxor's Gift is funny

[unique reef]

It's really bad

the only thing it's decent at is pestering enemies behind walls

[ashen warren]

yeah like rogue is super good since it has super fast weapons, melee helps by addind a range aspect to every melee weapons, and range gives even more range dps but summon is just a one off

[pine star]

Melee is very strong with Arkhalis

[ashen warren]

the luxor's gift is a spam help for all the other classes, as in its used to add a lot to the dps, meanwhile summon can only be summoned once

[pine star]

yeah

[unique reef]

I think the Summon one should scale with minion slots

[pine star]

I agree with Cursed Being, but Summoner Luxor's needs to be buffed

[ashen warren]

I like that idea as well

[crude geode]

Luxor’s Gift for summoner is shit but changing it to just be a magic accessory with the summon tag doesn’t help

[unique reef]

I think it should add more green things for each slot or the one just gets stronger

[crude geode]

or changes

[ashen warren]

but I also think it would be good to make it where youll be able to use the summon staffs througout bosses like the Borealis Bomber since there isnt much of those summon staff until later in the game

[crude geode]

Play mage

[ashen warren]

lmao I did only to get stuck at plaguebringer cuz I dont do enough dps and suck at dodging even with 100+ hours still

which is why I tried summoner to work on my dodging skills

[crude geode]

also there’s something called aestheticus that you get in pre-hardmode

[unique reef]

the diagonal charging is so bad

[ashen warren]

since it does require less aiming and more just focus on dodge

[ashen warren]

yee but thats classless, it be neat for summon to get more use weapons like the 1.4 whips and I feel like Luxor's gift couldve helped that

since lets be honest, Luxor's gift is a super good early accessory for all classes expect summoner

[unique reef]

oh yeah

[pine star]

Whips are literally melee weapons that do summon damage

[crude geode]

^

Similar to Borealis Bomber being a magic weapon that does summoner damage

[pine star]

Though Zetlos is right that Luxor's is good for everyone EXCEPT summoner

[ashen warren]

yeah which arent the best, meanwhile the idea of summoning stuff like the Borealis bomber is great imo

[unique reef]

another idea i have is that Luxor's Gift's summon is temporary, but spawns when minions land hits

[ashen warren]

I agree its pretty much a magic weapon that does summon damage, but imo that makes more sense than a melee weapon that does summon damage

[unique reef]

that means high DPS minions like the beladonna can spawn quite a few of them

[crude geode]

Arguably though I don’t even know how you would turn Luxor’s into your proposed change

[unique reef]

that's why it's an idea

[crude geode]

No not yours

[unique reef]

it doesn't have to be good. It's something that could or could not happen

[crude geode]

Zetlos’ idea for turning an accessory into a weapon (?)

[ashen warren]

well luxor's gift is already that

adds projectiles for every classes' weapons

but seeminlgy not summoners, which only adds basically an extra summon

meanwhile if you made it that you could then use summon staffs as weapons, when all ur minion slots are taken, if you use the staff itll shoot the sigils and hit a target a few times before going away

the dm being a % of the staff's base damage, so stronger staff does make more dm but at the cost of possibly higher mana usage

[crude geode]

Put that in your suggestion then, so it makes more sense.

I still don’t know why you wouldn’t just buff the function by making the summoned minion more complex or by adding one for each slot.

[ashen warren]

just did, does it read better?

[ashen warren]

cuz it wouldnt add the possiblilty to use the staff during a boss, which only really happens once you get the Borealis Bomber later in hm, it would add more gameplay to early summoner other than just trying to dodge

or use classless weapons which yes can be done but it also can for every other class, since theyre classless, not summon

[crude geode]

...that’s literally what summoner is about. Dodging. if you want an active play style, you go play any of the other classes including Mage, a class that uses mana to deal damage.

[ashen warren]

oh yes I do know that and thats why I picked it, to learn how to better dodge, im just saying it would be nice since Borealis bomber does exist and im sure some people would like to have more during pre-hm and such

[still zodiac]

Making the summon from luxor's more interesting would be a better change tbh

[ashen warren]

its simply that Luxor seems too useless for summon and I feel like my change would add a new choice for early summon whilst also being similar to the other class' version of it

It feels to me like it should be similar to the other class' version more than anything else

[crude geode]

You really shouldn’t change the identity of something just because it isn’t functioning well.

[muted osprey]

my sugg got 200

and also one about adding rogue items to festive moons

[distant gyro]

SuggestionBot does a small bit of trolling

[grim tusk]

2 more needed for boosting defective sphere droprate

[heady lichen]

enrages being reliant on biomes with no indicators is kinda cringe, thank you for coming to my ted talk

[crude geode]

Future content is a no-no

[heady lichen]

this isn't for future content, I just mentioned future content as a reason

[grim tusk]

Future content as a reason is no

[heady lichen]

this doesn't require for master mode to be implemented, it's just that since enrages are being looked at anyways this would be very nice

*not master, malice

though I can just remove the first paragraph

[ashen warren]

Then remove it as a reason

It's fine without it

[heady lichen]

done

[grim tusk]

now just change the second paragraph so it makes sense

[crude geode]

Balancing around no-hits is cringe

[heady lichen]

not to get defensive, but it's not balancing around nohits. It's making the game more enjoyable in general because you shouldn't have to build huge chunks of actuated blocks when you're struggling with a boss.

[grim tusk]

any mentioning of nohits on a suggestion makes it invalid

and cringe

[crude geode]

^

[heady lichen]

mods shouldn't be balanced around nohits, but I don't see how more reliable enrages hurts anything outside of higher difficulties

[grim tusk]

"(for nohits or death mode)" just get rid of this

[crude geode]

Why do you just have a “title” in the first paragraph.

also those are two very different options you’re presenting. you probably should just go with the first one for now.

[fossil finch]

Particle borders lag and cringe iirc
Why not just put funny flame visuals on the healthbar instead :ultimatesmug:

[heady lichen]

I was thinking less of an indicator of when the boss is enraged, more of where it'll enrage

[ashen warren]

Bosses enrage depending on your position

If game thinks you’re out of jungle biome then boss enrages

Biome borders are kinda janky

[violet sierra]

I feel like just making it less vague and just showing us the numbers would be better, but thats covered by ItemStats+ so idk

[hollow shell]

Wait, you aren't given exact numbers for use time and knockback in the base game?

[violet sierra]

No

Its just Snail
Very Slow
Slow
Average
Fast
Very Fast
Insanely Fast

and as they said, a lot of endgame weapons end up in Insanely Fast in terms of speed

knockback has a similar rpobalem

this would also help for determining when you are going overkill on melee speed

[hollow shell]

I see

[hollow shell]

btw @lilac raptor again, the Bug Net can be crafted pre-Merchant, and two basic fishing rods can be crafted really early (Wooden and Reinforced).
If you still want to keep your sugg around then you should mention these recipes at least

[grim tusk]

wulfrum pole

[lilac raptor]

Yeah grind enemies

[pine star]

still better than wood fishing pole

[lilac raptor]

You can craft wooden but its shit

Also bhgnet need iron and you still waste time getting it and furnace

You will spend half a day and first night will make fishing a lot harder

In expert / rev / death mode at least

[grim tusk]

Well early game does start quite a bit sluggish

[hollow shell]

Hm

[grim tusk]

Specially for mage, and summoner

[hollow shell]

I don't know about "waste time" but thank you for adding to your suggestion

[still zodiac]

Well you're not supposed to fish this early

You need to gather some resources

[lilac raptor]

Why not, fishing is good

[still zodiac]

What can you even get from fishing this early

[lilac raptor]

Crates will give you resources

[still zodiac]

I never said it wasn't, I just don't understand why you need it this early

You need a lot of crates to make it worth it

[lilac raptor]

Crates, early game fish tools

[grim tusk]

Maybe making the starter bag contain a wooden pole and some weak bait (like 5 butterflies) and probably more mana crystals, but still add incentive to explore via not giving the bug net rather than just getting a fishing setup right off the start

[still zodiac]

Desert Scourge drops fishing stuff

[lilac raptor]

Mod added new cave fish tiola

Tools

[still zodiac]

What

[lilac raptor]

You can catch spade fish i think with weak stats as pickaxe

[grim tusk]

The fun part of early game is exploring for resources

[lilac raptor]

But better that normal

[whole sedge]

I do think it'd be a nice incentive to have a bit more reason to do fishing and such but I don't think this is the way to do it as the fun part of the beginning of the game is finding resources and starting out your base

[grim tusk]

Making players get instant access to bug net will just remove that incentive for exploration

[still zodiac]

Well the spade fish is an option indeed

[lilac raptor]

What

[still zodiac]

You dont have to get it

[lilac raptor]

Bug net is like

[still zodiac]

What about bug net

[lilac raptor]

Why getting bug net early will do any bad at all

[whole sedge]

It wouldn't do any bad per say it's just that you can literally already get it by breaking like 5 pots easily

[lilac raptor]

You will explore to find worm rocks on surface. No harm to exploration

It even do thr opposite

[still zodiac]

You will go underground as well

[lilac raptor]

Yes

[grim tusk]

Which are found quite often, heck breaking grass has bait

[still zodiac]

Where you can find Iron and cobwebs as well

Out of which you can craft bug net

[lilac raptor]

They finite i think

[whole sedge]

Iron's not finite nor is cobwebs

[still zodiac]

You just started the game

[pine star]

iirc cobwebs are finite

[still zodiac]

How can you have trouble with Iron and cobwebs

[whole sedge]

The chances of running out of either is also next to nothing

[still zodiac]

Spider caves

[whole sedge]

And cobwebs respawn in Spider caves

[lilac raptor]

Cobweb tend to spawn very deep

[still zodiac]

Not really

You just need to Explore

[lilac raptor]

In large world they do

[whole sedge]

It's just cavern layer like most things you already have to get.

[still zodiac]

Well Calamity gives you bombs in the starter bag, so its easier to get deep enough

[grim tusk]

But yea adding fishing stuff to starter bag will just make players rather than explore the underground to find the ores needed to upgrade equipment just go to the nearest pond and fish it all (and thank fuck fishing drop rates are killed next patch cuz it was broken)

[lilac raptor]

Do you think bug net and fishing rod will harm player? Will make rhis mod too easy for casuals? Its just nice way to increase players opportunity to get good stuff early

[still zodiac]

There's no reason for that

That's all

Its already easy to get fishing stuff

[whole sedge]

There's no reason to just bloat up the starter bag even more with stuff players can get in mere minutes or even seconds.

[lilac raptor]

Get bugnet in under 1 min on starter character then

[still zodiac]

Why would you need it this early

You don't have a good fishing rod anyway

You get the fishing stuff as you progress and explore the world

[whole sedge]

(Also I just realized all cobwebs need is just space not on the exact surface to spawn and spawn in quantities way higher than you'll likely need)

[lilac raptor]

What does starter bag do? Allow player to try all mechanics sonce thr begging. It gives player all class items to save time, it gives option. Will it be worse to have 1 more option?

If you hate fishing just delete free. Bugnet and free fishing rod

[whole sedge]

The point of the starter bag isn't to let the player to try all mechanics since the beginning, it's just to start early game a tiny bit faster and allow people to use the class they wanted to since the beginning of the game.

[still zodiac]

Yea that

[lilac raptor]

If this is true, starter bag would had variant for each class with only class related loot

[still zodiac]

What

[lilac raptor]

It gives everything soplayer can try different options

[still zodiac]

Why would there be multiple starter bags

[hollow shell]

Alright this convo does not feel like it is progressing

[still zodiac]

Seems like it, yea

[hollow shell]

If you disagree with the suggestion, don't star it

It is valid

[still zodiac]

Fair point

[lilac raptor]

I remember mod that let you choose your destiny and gives item that can be crafted in thing you want

[north cypress]

Is replacing boss AI necessary (or just AI changes) for #suggestions-posting? I got a good idea for the worm bosses.

[hollow shell]

That's a bit of an iffy area, probably post your ideas in this channel first

[north cypress]

Alright, so...

I'm doing sections of each worm boss.

[hot zephyr]

Start out small.

Focus on one aspect of one boss.

[north cypress]

Alright.

I might say Devourer of Gods' AI should be replaced (or changed a small bit), since it needs to have more challenge.

[hot zephyr]

Make sure to provide good reasoning, and I'd recommend suggesting tweaks instead of full scale reworks.

[north cypress]

Alright.

[hollow shell]

Indeed, you're probably being too ambitious with
full scale reworks of multiple worm bosses, including DoG (one of the AIs that Fab is most attached to)

[north cypress]

Hm...

[hot zephyr]

There's also an update on the horizon containing massive post-ml rebalances

[north cypress]

I might say improve Devourer of Gods' movement and speed, and make him have a circle movement attack around the player.

I might do a different suggestion, there's a better idea I will share.

Does Profaned Soul Crystal support summon weapons yet?

[hollow shell]

Well the entire thing is one massive summon weapon

[north cypress]

I'm pretty sure I should add that suggestion, don't mind?

[hollow shell]

You could suggest that it get some summon wep interaction I guess
Though you'd need @ashen warren's approval as it is her dedicated item

[north cypress]

Alright, sounds good.

I'll wait for Amber to approve this.

[zenith hazel]

bot's down, notified amber

[unique reef]

should the Entropy Staff's Minion count be changed to 1.5 from 2?

[hollow shell]

Why do you think so?

[ashen warren]

is the bot still down?

[hollow shell]

Yeah, Amber hasn't come online yet

[ashen warren]

oh ok ty for info

[unique reef]

It's inferior to the Optic Staff

The Optic staff actually performs better long term

The Mini twins' 2 minions per slot is better than the Entropy's 3 minions per 2 slots

[fossil finch]

Based solely on minion count well yeah

[grim tusk]

yea entropy's iframes fuck em over too

[fossil finch]

But afaik both have iframe problems anyways

[grim tusk]

Cal adressed most of optic staff's problems

meanwhile entropy's had to get more iframes (probably overkill) and increased cost cuz before it lasted til Polter

[unique reef]

Well, it doesn't help that i have a mod {AoMM} that buffs Optic staff significantly

mostly giving it way better AI

[fossil finch]

That's irrelevant for anything in this convo anyways
Point is, iframe issue, which, afaik, is solved next update, should make Entropy Staff plain better than optic

[unique reef]

alright

[crude geode]

Couldn’t you just not use the starter bag?

[golden narwhal]

P sure the bag itself is causing the issues, not the stuff inside it

[cobalt pewter]

Also mod compat cringe

(This does sound like something that can go to #bugs-read-pins first)

(considering it's mainly about mod compatibility)

[vague totem]

yes the fact that the bag spawns in eats up a hotbar slot causing the starting classes bag not to spawn

[cobalt pewter]

Yeah that's better suited for bugs channel imo

Might get faster responses on that instead of suggs

[vague totem]

i agree

[hollow shell]

Wait really? The mods have it so their bags must be added to the hotbar, they do not overflow into the inventory?

That sounds like poor design

[ashen warren]

^

yea tbh

if you have a lot of mods that give you stuff at the beginning of the game it should look like this

[hollow shell]

mhm

[crude geode]

Should the suggestion be exclaimed

[hollow shell]

Not sure?

[dapper coral]

in essence this really comes down to mod compat
which uhhhhhh i guess belongs more in bugs first? i think, anyways

[ashen warren]

I think if anything they should suggest the devs of the other mod to not force the item in the hotbar, assuming that's the issue.

[spring lantern]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2481845910 the link of beta for non-Russian friends friends

[safe oasis]

why this channel?

[spring lantern]

because i CAN suggest transiting the mod to 1.4 - there's beta version of TModLoader, lol

[safe oasis]

also, "leaked"?

[ashen warren]

thats

"beta"

lmao

[safe oasis]

the beta is official and has been known for a long time now

[spring lantern]

oh

[robust lava]

Also it is not a beta. It is an in-development version

[safe oasis]

isn't that what a beta is tho, early access to something in development

[ashen warren]

main thing is its incomplete

[spring lantern]

i haven't seen link for it, but i heard that Overwhaul developers created 1.4 compitable version already

[ashen warren]

not in a state where porting a full blown big mod across is a good idea

especially when theyre already doing something big

[robust lava]

That's because the Overhaul developer is a lead tModLoader developer. And still, this doesn't seem like the place to discuss this

[safe oasis]

yeah let's move, maybe to gentalk or #other-mod-talk

[spring lantern]

ok

[tardy smelt]

about #suggestions-posting I do wanna note that Vanilla does have 80% slots minions in the form of the Spider Staff

as well as the twins staff after a fashion

however, I'm afraid most of the current summons are mostly balanced towards being singular summons whereas creating brand-new summon items will require a relatively large amount of work

[hollow shell]

Yeah, this suggestion seems fair

[robust lava]

This sounds like something that you should just ask a dev for

See: #voice-chat-4 message

[hollow shell]

Sooo... @hearty yew? #suggestions-posting

[silent jewel]

ah, i didn't see this

it isn't direct cross-mod so i didn't really think of personally contacting any developers; i believe the suggestion would benefit anyone who would bother to make use of it, essentially

[safe oasis]

i feel like this is a good suggestion that wouldn't get voted for because 90% of people have no idea what you're talking about

[hollow shell]

I am kinda worried about that too yeah

[blazing yacht]

I think I understand it pretty well but I can see where people would get tripped up on it

[whole sedge]

Yeah very good suggestion just would kinda fall victim to the pits of sugg voting because most people don't know what any of this means or what it would bring to them

[hollow shell]

I thought this was a feature already

Maybe for vanilla dashes only

[ashen warren]

im pretty sure it is based on position?

[gray venture]

yeah

[ashen warren]

cant say for certain tho

[gray venture]

lemme test rn

yeah, its whatevers in the bottom-most slot

cyo lore also gets overridden by all other dashes

[worldly lark]

It does not work for me

Wait il send a video

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/350387256583782400/849270287978987540/20210601_145307.mp4

[gray venture]

ok, just tested with ninja belt and aegis

it appears that combo doesnt work

[worldly lark]

Bruh

[ashen warren]

that seems more like a bug then if it works with other dashes

[worldly lark]

But every other combo works?

Bruh

[gray venture]

yeah

[ashen warren]

including two modded dashes?

[gray venture]

it looks like statis ninja belt in general gets overriden by other dahses

[worldly lark]

So should i leave the suggestion or shuold i delete it?

[gray venture]

ig if a mod tells you to

for now i think its fine

[worldly lark]

Okay

[hearty yew]

@silent jewel tell me what rectangles you want in DM and I'll make mod calls for it for 1.5

A thorium dev actually just had a conversation with me about the same thing, exposing the boundaries of modded biomes to help in avoiding conflicts.

a few weeks ago, I think it was

[frail vale]

auric tesla spear coming soon????

hopefully

I don't like nadir

[hollow shell]

Unlikely

Auric tier has many melee weps
Exo tier (post-separation) not as much, but it would be difficult to make it functionally distinct enough from Exoblade

[cobalt pewter]

It is already

Acc slot order determines what dash will be used

I can't remember details so a sec

[hollow shell]

Well, see above

[cobalt pewter]

The issue is combining cal and vanilla dashes

[hollow shell]

Indeed.

So, @worldly lark you may want to reword your suggestion or perhaps put it in #bugs-read-pins instead. Because that is a feature already, it's just inconsistent when you try it with both vanilla and Calamity dashes

[worldly lark]

Okay

[cobalt pewter]

Seems like Mighty Wind immunity is a weird thing to be slipped into Ankh Charm

But do note that Mighty Wind (iirc) is disabled when bosses are alive in cal

Also the foot part of Desert Prowler armor actually gives Mighty Wind immunity

[safe oasis]

how would you fit it, though, since ankh shield has the debuff immunities of all its materials

adding a new immunity directly is a bit weird

[grim tusk]

Maybe new item (that isnt desert prowler) that gives immunity and is slapped into valor

[frozen hornet]

Maybe make a new item and integrate it into the recippe (damit slow)

[grim tusk]

Similarly to how asgard’s valor is ankh with more immunities and resistances

Also i wonder why lead core was left out of the valor line

And hand warmers too

[safe oasis]

because it’s used for silva for absolutely no reason

[thick raptor]

Honestly you could throw in mighty wind immunity with any of the asgards valor items

shield of the ocean would make sense thematically

[safe oasis]

would it though? ocean and desert are different things

polar opposites, even

[grim tusk]

Or throwing a great sand shark scale into valor (or making the item that gives immunity to mighty wind related to sandstorms)

[thick raptor]

You are basically supposed to get the items for that from desert scourge, who unlocks the sandstorm

Honestly it just doesn't make sense that your shield crafted with the resources of the gods can't withstand some wind

[safe oasis]

desert scourge is also ocean related

came from the ocean, just got dehydrated

victide armor is also water based

[thick raptor]

But fought in the desert, and literally unlocks the sandstorm, where mighty wind is recieved

[muted osprey]

bad

[safe oasis]

damn what a feat, breaking 4 don'ts in 4 words

i can't even ping him to tell him about because that name is unpingable help

[crude geode]

@still relic

“weapon subclass only” runs are a don’t, making legendary weapons scale is a don’t, and also your formatting is wrong.

[cobalt pewter]

Damn.,.,.,.

[safe oasis]

you can speed up npc spawnrate in the config @untold flume

as well as let them spawn at night

[dim star]

God dang it joost mod

Why did you have to make people want scaling legendary weapons

[cobalt pewter]

Also there's a mod for unkillable NPCs

[eternal escarp]

#suggestions-posting message isnt this suggestion also missing an headline?

@thorn patrol theres already a thing alike to this

the Proficiency

and besides

I think it would be cool
isnt exactly a reason

and this also sounds like quite the hassle to add something like this for practically no reason

[cobalt pewter]

[[Proficiency]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Proficiency

[eternal escarp]

tbf changing it from "itd be cool" to "it can be engaging" is still kindof a weak reason for adding a new mechanic of this style

[crystal iron]

isnt that sugg baicaly profieciency

[eternal escarp]

with extra steps

yes

[crystal iron]

alos therea already tons of rpg mods

[eternal escarp]

yeah, why does calamity specifically need this?

[dapper coral]

this sounds like big effort for little reason

[eternal escarp]

^

[muted osprey]

heightpixel airblock referen

[ashen warren]

ty everyone for the upvotes

[eternal escarp]

this isnt reddit, you dont need to thank people

[ashen warren]

true still the suggestion got a good amount so i still feel like its a good thing to say

[eternal escarp]

eh, just makes it look wierd

people vote because they think the idea should be a thing

[ashen warren]

which is why i say ty

[eternal escarp]

its not really something that makes sense to thank for

[ashen warren]

i mean yes and no either way its said so ill move on

[river glen]

3 ❗ in a row

dam

[muted osprey]

#suggestions-posting cancelled

[eternal escarp]

@signal glade you should give a reason as to why that should happen

[signal glade]

oh sorry
okay okay

@eternal escarp is it okay now?

[eternal escarp]

looks good ye

[sharp prism]

wait locket scales

[signal glade]

yeah

[sharp prism]

m

[signal glade]

It was surprising actually

I was scrolling in calamity saw the item and tried it

[eternal escarp]

it scales until like, providence im pretty sure?

[signal glade]

devourer actually

[eternal escarp]

m

[signal glade]

Enter hardmode
kill plantera
Moon lord
then DoG

[eternal escarp]

interesting

[signal glade]

yeah it has alot of potential

[sharp prism]

why you would ever use it that long is the real question tbh

[eternal escarp]

filler accesories

[sharp prism]

true true

[eternal escarp]

like how HoTE acts for most classes

[signal glade]

i think thats a bad idea

they developed it why not polish it out?
if they ultimately just thanos snap it? then thats out of our control

[sharp prism]

yeah

[frail mantle]

@ashen warren you shouldn't suggest things relating to future content

better to actually see things like the early hardmode ore progression in action yourself before you begin to suggest changes to it

[gusty geode]

Noticed the sugg about minions taking up half a slot
Surprised there hasn't been more talk about ones with really fucky slot consumption
Like Spider Staff, last I checked one of those took up 0.75 slots for some reason
I imagine if one really wanted to there could be like
A system where you'd get some kinda bonus if you maxed out your minion cap using a variety of minions that take up different amounts of space
Like a sorta puzzle minigame almost

[frail mantle]

spiders take up 3/4 of a slot each yes

though in 1.4 they take up one slot each like normal summons

[sharp prism]

it makes me wonder if that was unintentional tbh

[eternal escarp]

sounds too specific for it to be unintentional tbf

[frail mantle]

yea i doubt they would accidentally make this one specific minion take up exactly 0.75 slots

[sharp prism]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[whole sedge]

@solar sundial BetterMultiplayer already exists for this exact purpose actually to disable respawn cheese and does it decently well so I kinda suggest if you're playing MP use that

[solar sundial]

ah, k ill look into it

[frozen hornet]

Who tf is providince

[zenith hazel]

@dark urchin add a reason to your suggestion + a proper spelling of providence would be preferable

[cobalt pewter]

Providince moment

[zenith hazel]

well they edited it

but there's still no reason

[dark urchin]

ok

[eternal escarp]

and formatted wrong, so it would break the bot wouldnt it?

[zenith hazel]

yeah, proper formatting is also crucial

Title

Reason

[frozen hornet]

What do you mean by

making the revengeance laser be the non revengeance laser

[zenith hazel]

does non-rev have the scissors lasers? can't remember

[eternal escarp]

im pretty sure rev also doesnt

[violet dagger]

None rev has only 1 laser

The scissor laser is rev

[eternal escarp]

the scissors is night only iirc

[zenith hazel]

no that's the quad lasers

[eternal escarp]

oh

wait

[zenith hazel]

I know scissors lasers are rev

[eternal escarp]

oh thats what you meant

mybad

[zenith hazel]

what kind of scissors are you using that have 4 legs/blades/whatever

[eternal escarp]

one that shouldnt see the light of day

[zenith hazel]

but anyway

[cobalt pewter]

Oh wait, I have one, probably the one I bought from Omega Mart

[zenith hazel]

removing the scissors lasers is probably a no-go lol

especially if you ask fab

[frozen hornet]

I think he meant removing the scissor lasers and replacing them with normal ML style lasers only while the guardians are alive

[dark urchin]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

The scissors is really helpful, but sometimes runs and hides to wherever in the house

Still helpful tho since my lefthanded ass cannot use other scissors, so whatever

Anyways

[eternal escarp]

that would still likely not happen

[zenith hazel]

if the problem is the guardians phase, ask to nerf the guardians phase?

[frozen hornet]

I thought you meant provi's lasers are helpful

[cobalt pewter]

If you meant hallow provi's deathrays, the most that can be given is a more of obvious telegraph

[eternal escarp]

well, they are
helpful in making the fight challenging

[zenith hazel]

and everything after the laser part just doesn't make sense

[frozen hornet]

Indeed

[zenith hazel]

what in the world does

maybe getting rid of the nighttime difficulty increase after guardians, but only if the fight was started in day, and making the green healing projectiles a bit more distinct at a distance
mean

[frozen hornet]

If you have trouble with hallow provi lasers fight her in the underworld

[eternal escarp]

provi slowing down to almost a complete stop raises alot of warnings tbf

[cobalt pewter]

Fab likes the current telegraph, but I personally could see a bit more to the lasers telegraph, since it detects your position somewhere a bit before the attack starts

[zenith hazel]

and I'm pretty sure the green healing projectiles are already very distinct

[eternal escarp]

they arent yet

iirc there was a change in the changelogs

but rn they arent as visible, tleast not imo

[dark urchin]

they arent really when far away from providence.

[zenith hazel]

@grave pine add a reason to your suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

Right now it's a bit ambiguous beyond colors yes

[zenith hazel]

what does them being far away from providence have to do with anything?

[safe oasis]

"boss health changes"?

[cobalt pewter]

lol?

I don't understand this new sugg

[ashen warren]

Maybe keep the AI intact but remove the stat bloat or something

I see that as a very dumb idea

[dark urchin]

it may just be for me since I have a desert hallow

[zenith hazel]

again, I don't see how that's relevant

and please elaborate on the sentence I mentioned above somehow

[grave pine]

there isnt really a reason i just think the game is a little easy for the more experienced people and that option would make it harder

[zenith hazel]

if there is no reason, your suggestion is invalid

[ashen warren]

What

[zenith hazel]

simple as that

[safe oasis]

just turn on a higher difficulty? what?

[zenith hazel]

and if you're experienced, ofc you're gonna find the game easy lol

it's common sense

[ashen warren]

I still don’t know why provi needs a difficulty nerf

[safe oasis]

tbf the difficulty spike is quite harsh between ml and provi

[ashen warren]

I mean you have folly in the middle and people seem to complain about it’s difficulty as well

Though yea I agree the general difference in difficulty between those two bosses is a bit big

[frozen hornet]

By

disable the boss health changes
did you mean 1.5's boss health changes

[grave pine]

yeah the hp changes in the upcoming update

[ashen warren]

What?

[grave pine]

optional of course

[safe oasis]

there's a boss health slider in the config, just turn it up, problem solved

[ashen warren]

Wait do you think they’re not rebalancing the weapons as well or something

[frozen hornet]

Y'know the post-ML power curve killing

[zenith hazel]

you mean... the nerfs meant to make post-ml more balanced?

then just use the health config as mentioned above

[grave pine]

alright

[eternal escarp]

thing is
theres 2 bosses inbetween

[earnest cape]

guardians don't exist dragonfolly is a bit of a challenge if you're not prepared

[cobalt pewter]

Guardians are a fuck

[eternal escarp]

id say dfolly is a perfect inbetween

eases the jump

[safe oasis]

oh yeah true kinda forgot folly existed ngl

[hot zephyr]

You need to improve your arena

[safe oasis]

they're smaller which is very noticeable, i do admit that the color contrast isn't there though

[cobalt pewter]

Platform arena moment

[safe oasis]

also yeah what even is that arena, but that's unrelated

[dark urchin]

ye

[ashen warren]

Those are pretty noticeable

[dark urchin]

idk lamo

[zenith hazel]

then wait till next update for the contrast

[ashen warren]

Have you fought both versions of provi?

[hot zephyr]

(Or disable your background)

[dark urchin]

[frozen hornet]

Underworld provi's projectiles are easier to see because of the dark background

[dark urchin]

Its also very hard to notice the size difference while trying to dodge everything

[safe oasis]

it's not that hard to notice the size

[cobalt pewter]

Just don't get the healing projectiles lol!

(aka play death)

[safe oasis]

it's also the only thing you're dodging so there's not much in that area

[ashen warren]

From what I get your main problem is not being able to see stars and not being able to dodge laser
Maybe try fighting hell provi if most of your problems come from being in the hollow?

[dark urchin]

[dim star]

Smh dragonfolly is a much more forgettable name then bumblebirb

Why did they have to change it

[zenith hazel]

because it's a serious boss now, not a funny meme

[frozen hornet]

Dragonfolly is just as memorable as bumblebirb is in terms of names

[ashen warren]

for those of you who speedrun calamity would this be a route changer to speedruns or no? add the desert medallion with the slime crown in the starter bag
It would leave a good first impression by introducing players to a modded boss immediately along with a vanilla one

i dont know how the runs works for calamity

[distant gyro]

yes but not by a wide margin

[ashen warren]

man that would be epic if my suggestion did add a sligth change to speedruns

[dim star]

Bumblebirb is a serious name

[ashen warren]

how does the creator pick suggestions and adds them?

[violet dagger]

Bumblefuck even better

[zenith hazel]

the creator doesn't pick suggestions

suggestions are posted into #suggestions-posting , after 24 hours if they have no problems they'll get posted into #suggestions-voting
after that, suggestions that reach 200 stars are delivered to the dev server where devs would vote on whether to approve or deny said suggestions

[ashen warren]

ty for info

i assume that the devs would more then likly say yes though

well meh depends

[dark urchin]

just deleted the confusing line and added a better small thing to my suggestion @zenith hazel

[zenith hazel]

it's still not exactly proper formatting

the title of your suggestion should be in a separate line

[dark urchin]

k

[dim star]

I think you need to have the title emboldened and a space above everything else

(title)

(Suggestion)

[dark urchin]

how do I bold in discord

[zenith hazel]

and why's there just huge spaces between your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs?

to bold in discord, put ** on both ends of the part you want to bold

[dark urchin]

didnt mean to make them that big

@zenith hazel does it look good now

[zenith hazel]

not sure if mobile is fucking it up but all of it is on 1 paragraph on my end

[dim star]

I think that looks pretty good

[violet dagger]

Just add a space between the title and paragraph and it should be fine

[dim star]

Is anyone going to talk about rubby’s suggestion

It’s literally a single sentence

“Make this thing because uhhhhhh it would be cool”

[dark urchin]

I can't really make it anything else because of the discord character limit

[zenith hazel]

that suggestion is way too short to hit character limit

[dark urchin]

Trying to space out the reasonings to another paragraph doesnt work because spaces count as characters

[safe oasis]

press return on mobile

shift+enter on pc

[dark urchin]

k

ty

@zenith hazel that look good?

[zenith hazel]

good enough ig

[dark urchin]

[agile bolt]

Nerfing/buffing a boss can be a tough suggestion, especially since not everyone feels the same way about the boss

[lilac raptor]

To Suggestion for immortal npcs - you can make NPC come at night in calamity config if you dont want to wait after losing most of your npcs

[fossil finch]

Rebalance already nerfs her, end of sugg disc

[craggy kernel]

providence is getting nerfed with rebalancing?

[haughty owl]

Post Moonlord bosses are getting nerfed

But so are post Moonlord weapons

[distant gyro]

theoretically nerfed but she'll be harder in practice

thanks to 214 - Expert+ Providence fires a star, once in a while, directly at each player in multiplayer, up to a max of 10, during her star cocoon bullet hell.

[thick raptor]

The alternate crafting for sigil of calamitas sounds nice, although I think it would be helpful if it applied to all items and their upgrades

You could use the sigil as an example of how you should be able to craft items with upgraded components

[dense locust]

that is a good general Idea, though I have trouble thinking of other places where this would be applicable,

[thick raptor]

There are just so many items that I'm sure there are some places

The emblems are good examples

Like using the avenger emblem or the destroyer emblem for the reaper tooth necklace

[dense locust]

so like letting you use a destroyer emblem for reaper tooth but not inheriting the crit chance? I suppose that makes sense

[thick raptor]

Exactly

It's just annoying when you have the upgraded version of an item needed for a crafting recipe

[dense locust]

or using, say, an avenger emblem over a ranger emblem for Artemis emblem

[thick raptor]

Yeah

or for Yharim's insignia

[dense locust]

yeah that makes sense

[thick raptor]

Of course it applies to more than just emblems, but they are just what I can think of off the top of my head

[dense locust]

celestial shell over celestial stone for artemis emblem is one that isnt an emblem

[thick raptor]

Yes

But we don't need to come up with every one, just saying that these recipes should work with higher tier components and giving an example should be enough

[clever plume]

To the person who said providence needs a nerf I really don’t think so

Once you learn her mechanic she isn’t that bad, but to be fair I never fought her in death mode

I do agree with making the healing sparks more noticeable though

[crude geode]

Profaned Nugget phase really needs a nerf

[clever plume]

Why?

You just gotta focus the nuggets, and with a RoD you’ll be able to avoid a lot of attacks

[crude geode]

Focus really just goes out the window with that phase, as well as seeing anything Providence is doing. It’s like if supreme calamitas just spawned dragonfolly at like 25% hp.

[frozen hornet]

Focusing on nuggets makes it harder to focus on provi herself

[clever plume]

Idk then

I’m on my 2nd run of this mod (1st time in rev) and I’m not finding it difficult

Maybe Bc I’m mage and I shred the nuggets super fast🤷🏻‍♂️

Her projectiles r also easy to avoid with preparation

[crude geode]

Difficulty is extremely subjective, keep in mind, and post ml rebalancing is occurring

“with preparation” is the problem

[clever plume]

Yea I’m aware

[clever plume]

Well don’t expect to win a fight if u don’t prepare

[crude geode]

you have to consistently avoid both bullet hells as well as the charging nugget that’s blocking you seeing the bullet hell

[clever plume]

I can usually dash out of the way

And use RoD for when I’m in trouble with projectiles

[frozen hornet]

And when the charging one chases you right as she does her cocoon phase and you just poof

[clever plume]

Nah I just use RoD

And target the dashing one

Maybe their move sets r outdated then

Having something dash at you to limit movement is annoying

Ig I’ve been lucky? No clue

[frozen hornet]

I will say every time the guardians spawn I get filled with dread because I know I'll lose focus on one thing and die

[grim tusk]

Prov’s Guardians do need a change

[clever plume]

Well a trick that helped me was placing actuated pearlstone high up form the ground so I can move around a ton without going out of biome

So I was able to avoid most of provs attacks

(Like the flame things)

[grim tusk]

90% of the players just nuke em due to they being really hard to deal with during cocoon phases

[clever plume]

Yea I go full berserk on them

And just rod when prov stays still

[grim tusk]

also some people (mostly nohitters) even prefer to do night providence due to how overwhelming guardians are during star cocoons

[crude geode]

Yeah guardians during star cocoons is just how much health do you have

and how lucky are you

[grim tusk]

If you are actually wanting to fight providence fair and square that is

Which like 70% of the players dont

The average #calamity-mod-talk and #help-advice-read-pins player just wants things as easy as they can be and want the most optimal setup. Heck sometimes they whine if you just give them random on tier decent weapons cuz they dont melt

[clever plume]

I’m doing calamity for a challenge

Like in my mage play through I’m not using the infinite mana accessory

Also, I think I should move into death mode for my 3rd run

Kinda off topic sry

[zenith hazel]

bot's down, notified amber

[crude geode]

mfw someone wants yet another dog rework

[north cypress]

Yeah.

[crude geode]

He’s not called the projectile spammer of gods, he’s called the devourer of gods.

kinda makes sense that he more focuses on trying to directly eat you instead of spamming projectiles

also makes him more memorable, since his difficulty doesn’t come from spamming projectiles like most of the moon lord and up bosses

[river glen]

sounds like fargo destroyer to me

100% certain this is trying to make it into fargo destroyer

[grim tusk]

it is indeed Emode (bad) Destroyer

and Devourer of gods is getting some love next update anyways

new fireball attack

[craggy kernel]

destroyer bad 🛌

all variations of destroyer are bad

[rose jewel]

Providence is meant to be hard tho and you didn’t say anything about arena

[river glen]

destroyer is much beter next update

[craggy kernel]

it could be much better and still not be great with how awful it is now tbh

[hollow shell]

Not sure how well this DoG suggestion will go over

A lot of somewhat specific ideas for new attacks

Each one does have a reason but they aren't particularly strong
Like the trail attack's reason just being "DoG is a powerful worm so he should do this cuz it'd make him seem powerful"

[violet dagger]

Doggo does need more than a bit of improvement but ye thats a bit too specific

Also basically emode destroyer as others said

[crude geode]

Much prefer something that actually makes him more melee based, such as more maneuvers like the dash

[craggy kernel]

[sleek turret]

why

[craggy kernel]

❗

[sleek turret]

ugh

[novel belfry]

❗

[sleek turret]

@gusty rain read the pinned document here

and also give your suggestion a reason atleast

[gusty rain]

My suggestion is perfectly reasonable and fair

[craggy kernel]

[novel belfry]

perhaps if you gave a reason

because right now it literally doesn't

and honestly, I think the wand's deceptive dmg indicator of 1 is funny enough

[hollow shell]

@gusty rain Joke suggestions are not allowed, and either way you need to include a reason with your suggestion (separated from the title line with Shift+Enter) in order for the bot to process it

[gusty rain]

Its not a joke

[craggy kernel]

wot

[hollow shell]

Well you need to include a reason

to explain why we should implement your suggestion

[craggy kernel]

a. what the hell does "make something funnier" mean and
b. you need a reason

[blazing yacht]

What the fuck does "make the wand funnier" even mean bro

[novel belfry]

i think he wants a more jokey feel to the wand

like more of the deceptive "1 magic damage" stuff

but

[craggy kernel]

ok but how are you coming up with a compelling reason for the devs to take their time to add that

answer: you don't

[novel belfry]

he isn't providing a reason

so i can't 100% tell

Like for instance, if I wanted to write down a suggestion as to why the Astral Infection should be moved to Post-Moon Lord, I have to write down a reason as well

which I will once Draedon update comes out, I don't want to burden the devs now

[craggy kernel]

[pine star]

[craggy kernel]

ok well have fun getting your suggestion rejected then

[pine star]

@hollow shell

Have fun getting warned

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's a warn

[craggy kernel]

memes in this channel

[hollow shell]

I'll delete your suggestion too

[novel belfry]

good grief

[thick raptor]

Would this suggestion include aureus and deus?

[novel belfry]

ye of course

i've heard a concern about this before quite frankly

[thick raptor]

Idk aureus along with most jumping bosses aren’t very effective against high mobility players

[novel belfry]

then again, hardmode has a lot of bosses already

[river glen]

the dog suggestion is wack....

like there is not much of a reason to it besides "he is strong, therefore he should have this"

[hollow shell]

I think there's potential in such a change
Just as I think there's potential in making Hive Mind and Perforators into Hardmode bosses so they're less redundant with their vanilla counterparts
Or making Ravager be post-Providence only so that you don't refight him so soon and so he's not as closely tied to Golem

But I don't think that any of them are going to realistically happen

[grim tusk]

ah yes the "Make Rav post providence" suggestions

hit 200 ⭐ really fast and instantly rejected

[thick raptor]

The idea for more attack variety for dog is a good suggestion in my opinion, and I think the rest is just meant for inspiration

[novel belfry]

I personally believe that the Astral infection should be moved to post-moon lord because there's already 2 other infections at the beginning of hardmode

it just intrudes on the astral infection's potential and forces it to not utilize it

[thick raptor]

I find astral helpful to seal off the other infections to be dealt with later

[grim tusk]

they should prob make the other parts less specific, otherwise reasoning is sorta valid

i hightly doubt it'll get accepted but in terms of validity is is

[novel belfry]

I'm not suggesting it now because the dev team is already quite busy with a massive update already, I don't want to burden them now

if they accept it, of course

which I'm pretty sure they won't, this suggestion is bold and big

[thick raptor]

I’d personally prefer mechworm portal dashes to the attacks suggested but more variety is always nice

[ashen warren]

I don’t think making PBG summon non consumable because “it makes sense” is a good idea tbh

1. This is the same game where you could shoot decapitated cat heads out of a sword
2. Other boss summons would have to be tweaked because it “doesn’t make sense”. Death whistle is a whistle, why is it consumable?
3. I honestly just don’t see a good gameplay reason for this. The summon is pretty easy to get and you could usually craft like 7 at a time assuming you have the iron, which you most likely do at that stage of the game.

[hollow shell]

@crystal stone ^
Also, your proposed solution is a tad too specific. I'd recommend wording it much more generally, like just saying that the Plaguebringer minibosses and/or Jungle Lab could be involved but not going in-depth as to how.

[clever canopy]

It would certainly help farming for the bloom stone anyway

[crude geode]

Frost Key, Keys in general, Eye of Desolation versus Mech summons/EoC summon, Death Whistle, Draedon's Remote, Etc.

[hollow shell]

(It's common video game logic that keys evaporate when used on anything)

[crude geode]

(true, but it's another example of "hm should make sense that it can be used more than once, but video game logic")

[frail mantle]

rngesus himself has cursed all keys to crumble to dust upon being used once for their sins

[ashen warren]

alas, the law of equivalent exchange strikes again

[frozen hornet]

Mutually exclusive emblem drops when

[crude geode]

There are 5 emblems.

[forest vapor]

yes

i play with redemption so there are 6

getting summoner emblem for a craft is almost impossible

[crude geode]

Not exactly sure if you’re aware of summoner sets

[forest vapor]

they exist

like the draedon one

but there is no point in them

[crude geode]

Hydrothermic, Spooky, Fathom Swarmer for tankiness, Plague one

[forest vapor]

cuz spider has more slots = more damage

[shy pine]

Spider is vanilla right?

[forest vapor]

hydrothermic? what's this one?

[forest vapor]

yes

[shy pine]

The one from abyss

Scoria isn’t it

[crude geode]

One of the two from abyss

Scoria bar more so

[forest vapor]

ok

[crude geode]

Hydrothermic is an all class but it does well for summoner

[forest vapor]

like, spider armor is strong enough to kill cultist

[crude geode]

Also you’re ignoring the two other vanilla armors, tiki and spooky

[forest vapor]

tiki is basically spider but +5% damage afaik

spooky is post-plantera

[shy pine]

Ehhh that isn’t really an achievement

[forest vapor]

palladium armor isn't smh

[crude geode]

Wow strong enough to kill the weakest hardmode boss? Truly a feat no other set could accomplish

[forest vapor]

weakest hardmode boss is prob plantera

[shy pine]

Depends what weapon you use

[forest vapor]

30 damage seed in expert

[shy pine]

Hell no she hard

[forest vapor]

murasama

[forest vapor]

dig a square but like half

done

[shy pine]

Yeah but like

That’s effort

[forest vapor]

only 3h

[shy pine]

Exactly

[forest vapor]

i spent 3 days on calamitas so that was fast

[shy pine]

Doesn’t she disappear at dawn?

[forest vapor]

i mean 3 REAL days

[shy pine]

I skip her most of the time

Plantera gets me far enough

[forest vapor]

well tiki staff dependencies suck

[crude geode]

Summoner does have sets, multiple in fact for certain progression points, and there’s going to be added helmets for the early hardmode ores

[shy pine]

Tiki staff sucks period

[forest vapor]

helmet-varying sets are shit cuz only helmet gives slots, and sometimes set bonus

none of the preplantera sets gives 4 slots

[crude geode]

The helmet gives multiple slots

[shy pine]

Yeah generalist armour kinda bad except the tentacle one

Blue something

[forest vapor]

any walking minions suck lol

they are stupid af

[shy pine]

The S Q U I R R E L

[forest vapor]

oh right

any but squire

stardust cell also sucks

staff with less than 40 damage gives double dps

of cell

[shy pine]

Yeah the fact that the dragon exists just makes cell useless

[forest vapor]

i crafted it cuz OOOOOOO CELLS SHOOT SMALL CELLS

450 dps lol

[crude geode]

#calamity-mod-talk

[forest vapor]

ok

[crude geode]

If you wanna talk in general

Discussing your suggestion more, there is multiple and completely viable armor sets outside of spider armor for summoner. There’s four in hardmode besides it, three if you don’t count tiki because it’s outclassed and needs a new set bonus, but otherwise still decent variety when compared with ranged.

Fathom Swarmer is a great example, as it’s a rare tanky summoner set that gives you 37 more defense than spider armor, as well as 27% more summon damage, at the cost of 1 minion slot.

@forest vapor Early hardmode is being reworked next update, so you might wanna wait on that before posting a sugg about spider armor being your only choice.

[forest vapor]

pog, didnt know about this

guess im staying for more than 400 hours

[hollow shell]

(I notice he also fails to mention Calamity's multi helmet sets)

[hollow shell]

@forest vapor You should probably acknowledge Daedalus, Reaver, and Hydrothermic armors in your sugg
"Fighting cultist in early hardmode armor while every class has post-golem armor is a bit unfair i think."
Hydro is post-Golem and has a summoner helmet.

[craggy kernel]

multi helmet sets are like a good majority of calamity's armor sets

not mentioning them is kinda

[forest vapor]

hydrothermic armor exists, yes

[craggy kernel]

also wdym early hm armor, spooky armor exists too

which is post plant

[forest vapor]

palladium\cobalt\mythril\orihalcum\titanium\adamantite helmets don't

[craggy kernel]

and uh

you don't need that

because spider exists

[hollow shell]

Why does that matter?

[craggy kernel]

and so does daedalus

so uh

how does that matter

[forest vapor]

daedalus and reaver have 3 or less slots, so there is no point in making them

[forest vapor]

thats what im saying

spider armor should be nerfed

[hollow shell]

Did you test them

[forest vapor]

yes

i crafted them cuz i got A LOT of ore while digging arenas

they are useless cuz spider exists

[hollow shell]

That should be the focus of your suggestion
Or something that you mention at all?
Right now you don't even acknowledge that the helmets exist in your sugg

[forest vapor]

you can just kill moonlord in spider armor and go for stardust

its overpowered

[craggy kernel]

well you can do thaqt

but its not viable to do that

[forest vapor]

helmets are useless cuz spider exists, i just said that

[craggy kernel]

uh huh and why do you not mention that in your sugg

thast what rover is saying

[forest vapor]

why? i used 1 heal potion in cultist fight and 3 in ml

[craggy kernel]

its far from the best option at that point

[forest vapor]

best option is spooky

[craggy kernel]

spooky, fathom swarmer (literal upgrade to spider btw), and hydrothermic all exist

[forest vapor]

which gives a bit more defense and dmg

[hollow shell]

But your suggestion is focused around giving summoner more options

It does have those options, you just didn't use them because Spider is OP

You don't talk about Spider being OP in your sugg for sone reason

[forest vapor]

ok i should writre it out more clear

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[craggy kernel]

yuh

[forest vapor]

there are like 6 sets or 7, but they are useless cuz going bee-spider-stardust is not a path of pain, just get some endurance pots and permafrost thing for extra time

[hollow shell]

Indeed
You can edit/rework your suggestion to make this issue more clear

[forest vapor]

done

[balmy folio]

That doesnt really matter

Considering you get most your slots from accessory's IMO it doesn't matter if an armor set has less slots then another untill late game where you need like ten or more slots just to summon something.

Unless the set bonus is bad.

Also spider armor is a VANILLA set.

[hollow shell]

Not particularly how I expected the suggestion to be edited (now it seems to change course in the middle)
But yeah, it does address all the issues now

[grim tusk]

plaguebringer armor also exists post-PBG

literally the best pre-ML set

also spider is fine how it is lmao

[hollow shell]

True

[grim tusk]

specially consider that its somewhat glass cannon

[hollow shell]

In fact summoner actually does have pretty good armor representation

[grim tusk]

and if you want more defensive early hm you have forbidden

[balmy folio]

Also theres spooky armr, plaugebriner, hydrothermic

[grim tusk]

prolly has the most armor sets in hm lmao

[balmy folio]

Ur not gonna be fighting the cultists in pre golem gear

[grim tusk]

that as well

[balmy folio]

You are going to get absoulutly fucking dominated if you do

[grim tusk]

only speedrunners or heavy progression breakers fight Cultist pre-Golem

[balmy folio]

Also you're talking about spider armor as if you forgot that its a vanilla armor set

[grim tusk]

Cultist is easy atm, next patch he wont be if he ends up being reworked in 1.5 (he is gonna get reworked but idk if 1.5.001 or 1.5.002)

[balmy folio]

Spider armor gets instantly overshadowed by hydrothermic, spooky armor, plaguebringer

Hell in vanilla terraria you instantly replace it with hollow armor

[grim tusk]

spider is overshadowed (and absorbed) by fathom swarmer and forbidden and daedalus are heavy competition