suggestions-discussion

[vital condor]

nvm now I do

[grim tusk]

again luxor's gift, more velocity and minishark needs armor piercing which pumpler doesnt need as much since higher base dmg which allows it to gain more benefit of dmg boosts

[compact frost]

Hey is it just me or fall guys music is the same as crabulon's music

[crude geode]

#general-media

In order to make herbs worthwhile you need to actually retain what makes them actually unique while making them more worthwhile to farm than blood orbs. Forcing them to bloom needs to be handled very carefully, because if you give them all the same bloom material you’re completely ruining the point of each herb being unique.

[grim tusk]

indeed

actually it sounds more fitting for another mod entirely

[crude geode]

Indeed

It might also be possible later down the line, considering the amount of build potential calamity has, as well as some exploration elements

[haughty owl]

This suggestion just got to 200 as well (literally 2 seconds ago)
#suggestions-voting message

probably because I liked it tbh

[hollow shell]

aight

[haughty owl]

dev server is probably flooded with suggestions rn

[sleek turret]

maybe

[cobalt pewter]

@clever canopy don't base your suggestions off changelogs I think

[clever canopy]

I assumed that rule was for things like balance changes rather than QoL

[cobalt pewter]

Also the sugg is literally just to make a feature on another mod into cal, which while I seen stuff like this for 1.5, there's no reasons aside from alchnpc bad

[cobalt pewter]

Basing suggs off changelogs falls onto "future content"

[clever canopy]

I mean the suggestion still stands even without the upcoming change, it just adds a further reason for the change

[still zodiac]

You shouldn't mention the upcoming change then

Just a QoL thing, nothing related to future content

[clever canopy]

Some people might want to have quick buff from piggy bank without all the other, less balanced, features

[clever canopy]

The thing is, without the upcoming change the argument to “just use alchemistNPC” is a lot stronger

[cobalt pewter]

Also proposing config

Also also

[hollow shell]

Nah this is fine

He explains why it's QoL

saving inventory space

[clever canopy]

My reason isn’t just “QoL”, I was specific about it saving inv space

[hollow shell]

What isn't fine is, yes, what got mentioned earlier
You shouldn't use changelogs in your reason

[clever canopy]

Okay, I’ll edit it

[hollow shell]

(The keyword of that Don't is "only")

(("itd be cool" usually being the exception, that usually gets shot diwn even if it's a part of a greater reason, due to how subjective and unvaluable it is))

[crude geode]

Ah yes saving on inventory slots is very important right before a boss fight

[hollow shell]

byeah, I personally dislike that Alch feature

[crude geode]

Also if this is a feature of another mod, why not just use that mod? Same argument against veinminer being added to Cal

[hollow shell]

I put my Spelunks and Minings in my piggy bank and took boss-relevant potions straight from storage before fights. I don't wanna use my mining potions when I quickbuff to drink all the boss ones

But, thas why it'd be a config I guess

[still zodiac]

Just drop the potions smh

[crude geode]

I can’t wait until draedon comes out specifically so I can request potions be removed from vendors and have it get like 80 stars Bc muh QoL /j

[clever canopy]

Yeah NPCs selling potions removes quite a lot of gameplay, that’s why I don’t like using alchemistNPC just for one feature that saves inventory space

[hollow shell]

It does blow a little bit, that we have implemented not one but two alternative ways to obtain potions, instead of attempting to improve gardening

[ashen warren]

I mean if you don’t want Alch NPCs interfering then can’t you just turn off their spawns?

[hollow shell]

With Cheat Sheet?

[ashen warren]

No it’s in the mod config iirc

[frail mantle]

it is

[ashen warren]

You can turn off the NPC spawns for specific NPCs

[hollow shell]

I don't recall seeing that but then again I didn't look very closely

[clever canopy]

Tbf using blood orbs to make potions is too expensive to actually be worth it

[crude geode]

Not in Deathmode or late game

[ashen warren]

Turning off NPCs makes the content in alch npc lite basically non existent, and alchemist charm is dropped by EoC iirc, so you don’t even need alchemist to get it.

I think it’s invalid to say that alch’s features can obstruct gameplay when you can disable most of the mod via configs

[clever canopy]

Like I said, taking away the reference to the future change would weaken my argument and strengthen the one to “just use alchnpc”

[crude geode]

...so just use alchnpc

[ashen warren]

But like, why wouldn’t you just use alch npc lite? It doesn’t take up a lot of space and you can disable most of the content.

[crude geode]

Is there a problem with it gameplay wise that you can’t fix via the config?

[clever canopy]

I haven’t looked at the configs since I don’t play with the mod often

[crude geode]

Perhaps take a look at the mod you wanna borrow ideas from before suggesting, as porting other mods’ content is kinda...iffy

[hollow shell]

Frackin Universe

[clever canopy]

I mean calamity is already taking the signature feature from the mod

[crude geode]

I still really dislike the logic behind that decision
Absorbing other content mod’s features generally feels icky to me.

[warm scarab]

ye

[crystal iron]

btw, is there ahyting else other than biome blade that has some relation to moon phases

[cobalt pewter]

Ethereal Extorter (it dies in 1.5 tho)

[sleek turret]

Death to the comically long list of effects.

[crystal iron]

oh so death mode has different effects based on moon phases

[ancient crow]

ethereal extorter is getting removed?

[fossil finch]

reworked

as in no more funny rogue biome blade acc

[grim tusk]

Yea exhorter was busted

[hot zephyr]

Suuuuuper late response but gardening wouldn't be so bad if a majority of the best buffs were locked behind fishing

[violet dagger]

What

The suggestion itself is good

But the reasoning is just

Meme

[earnest cape]

@hollow shell (you know the drill)

[pine star]

yeah

[hollow shell]

Yeah don't post joke suggestions please

[tame plume]

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[hollow shell]

If you're actually serious about this volume mixing issue, make an effort to word the suggestion in a serious way

[tame plume]

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[pine star]

That's possibly less serious

[hollow shell]

If you continue with this "not a joke" gag, I'm going to Warn you. It's not funny and you're not the first one to do it.

[earnest cape]

not serious enough for suggestion standards

[tame plume]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hollow shell]

Your suggestion has been marked with ❗, meaning the bot will delete it after enough time has passed, if you do not edit it to fix its problems

[vital condor]

It's phrased as a shitpost

phrase it as a suggestion

:)

[pine star]

Also @sly forge

[hollow shell]

(why brass)

(I'm right here 👀)

[eternal escarp]

lol

its already marked but

you know you can just

turn your game volume down

[river glen]

maybe turn the sound

down a bit

maybe?

maybe u dont have to be blasting it at max volume?

just a suggestion for u

[shrewd furnace]

"is unable to catch up to them like phase 5-6" you mean cryogen phase 5-6 right?

[earnest cape]

would the latest sugg in posting be problematic with early hm rebalancing

since its essentially "buff x"

[river glen]

its not like "buff/nerf x damage"

[shadow knoll]

I know people hate ooa, but would it make sense for there to be another tier in post-ML?

I mean prollly not

[earnest cape]

that's why im asking

[shadow knoll]

cus summoner already has plenty of post-ML content

[eternal escarp]

question is

why?

is it really needed?

[earnest cape]

tavernkeep already has his shop full

[eternal escarp]

^ that too

[earnest cape]

can't fit anything more

[shadow knoll]

but OOA does provide sentry items

[cold cosmos]

This is a joke right?

[earnest cape]

(quite literally)

[shadow knoll]

I know, I was saying that myself

I was just thinking if anyone else felt differently

[cold cosmos]

Because if it’s not i’m not sure you quite understand how volume works

[shadow knoll]

apparently no

But i'd ignore him

[cold cosmos]

I just-

Is he serious?

[shadow knoll]

He's prolly shitposting, and if he tries to take it to court then he'll be laughed out

[eternal escarp]

likely not

[earnest cape]

maybe but besides the point since the sugg's already ❗

[eternal escarp]

the tone is 99% shitposty, and yes that ^

[cold cosmos]

Fair enough

[hollow shell]

Should clarify that you mean the minion and not the enemy, in the top line

(also I'll just delete the Deus sugg cuz it's just gonna keep spurring reactions. If he wants to make it serious he can just repost)

[river glen]

so is it fine now? cuz i gtg

[hollow shell]

That looks fine yeah

[river glen]

ok thx

[shadow knoll]

What if sentries became a subclass like true melee

[earnest cape]

they.... already are?

[shadow knoll]

Giving current summoner armors bonuses for using them similar to melee armors encouraging true melee play

cus right now, the two are stuck with different armor sets and accs.

They may as well be different classes that only have 1 thing in common, although it's a very important thing

[hollow shell]

Sentries are a sticky situation for the devs

[shadow knoll]

If you don't mind me asking, why so?

[hollow shell]

Difficult to find a middle ground between underpowered and overpowered, depending on which equipment you spec into

[shadow knoll]

I see

[earnest cape]

insert funny signut sentry here

[hollow shell]

Pretty much entirely centered around the OOA equipment

[shadow knoll]

Maybe provide sentry bonuses on all summoner armors, just not as great as the bonuses on OOA equipment?

Like Pre-HM armors can have an extra sentry while still maintaining the previous minion slots

While OOA still gets like 3 or more

[earnest cape]

would probably take a big toll on testers to test each and every single one of the summoner armors that give sentry slots

[shadow knoll]

true

but that's true for most new items in the game

Like on avg there's 50-60 new weapons(?) each update.

[river glen]

well, its a prety big update rn

and its gonna take an even further toll

[earnest cape]

the problem lies when you'll have to test a metric ton of armors with combinations of sentries and summons

[shadow knoll]

ye, obviously i don't think they should do it now

That's also a good point

[earnest cape]

they should never do it imo

iirc current state of sentries are they're being balanced as only 1 existing

[shadow knoll]

I mean, it depends on what they want sentries to be within calamity

[earnest cape]

so when you have multiple of those sentries(see: guidelight of oblivion) they just become busted

[shadow knoll]

so they could do it, it just depends on if they wanna.

I'd like to expand on sentries personally, but I can see why it'd be hard/ unpopular for the community

So in conclusion:

Just let devs do what they want

[grim tusk]

pre-nerf energy staff

[shadow knoll]

[crude geode]

#suggestions-posting message
Doesn’t this reference future content,!a don’t?

[pine star]

Seems so

[hollow shell]

The thing is

I don't know what either of the things he's talking about are

@queen bane What are "the new post-moon lord phases", and what are "the new Summoner buffs"?

[cobalt pewter]

The latter def is changelogs thing

[tranquil perch]

This reminds me

I wanna make a sugg about ooa armors reducing the summon penalty and possibly just removing it entirely during old one's army

[hollow shell]

Well

Unless you mean only during OOA

[earnest cape]

if "only during ooa" means being in proximity to the crystal then should be fine ig?

[cobalt pewter]

Likely this ye

[cobalt pewter]

Essentially

Same case with Creative Shock

[muted osprey]

but then you could just exploit that using hoiks and stuff

[cobalt pewter]

?

I meam

Hoik is a """feature"""

[earnest cape]

you mean stopping the enemies and fly far away?

[muted osprey]

since the crystal's an npc it can be hoiked, so you can make a chain which basically forces OOA to last forever

[muted osprey]

yes

[earnest cape]

i mean

to be rough that's just unrealistic

[muted osprey]

it's incredibly stupid and will take alot of time

but if you can do it then you could just use like the oracle on scal with some full powered sons of yharon and cosmic immaterialiser

[cobalt pewter]

That's essentially infeasible in normal pt

No one will get out of their way just to multiclass

[muted osprey]

so basically, some madlad out there is gonna just say "fuck it" and beat the game that way

[earnest cape]

then just disable the summon penalty thing in scal

[cobalt pewter]

People who multiclass with minions don't care about the summon damage

[earnest cape]

simple

[cobalt pewter]

The penalty's an issue in OOA because the whole thing is meant to be multiclassed

And the penalty makes it harder

[hollow shell]

I don't think anyone's gonna be willing to set up a crystal hoik system just to avoid the summon penalty with certain armor sets (which also comes at the cost of them being able to place/break blocks)

Not a case we really need to check for

[crude geode]

This also implies that armor is going to be stronger than just using a class setup post ml

[muted osprey]

I'm just saying

also, lightning staff stacking

[grim tusk]

Realistically no ones is gonna bother grinding the event for etherian mana and then setting up a crystal setup that the goblins cannot reach so you can abuse that on a boss

Yes it nukes deus (with 25+ sentries, 250 etherian mana which is like 8 OoA events and getting the gear to do that (like 5 more)) but takes a shit ton of time to set up

[grim tusk]

Heck a pit trap is just enough as long as you dont complete wave 1

[ashen warren]

Just make it so you can’t summon bosses while the OOA event is active

Ez

[gray nebula]

alt suggestion : make scuttlers jewel usable for all subtypes and let the shadow potion boosts stay a unique little quirky thing

seriously it's p weird to differentiate subclasses so hard

[cobalt pewter]

Make rogue EtG

[grim tusk]

Besides the synergy part which it kinda already has

[coarse silo]

What is etg

[grim tusk]

Yea i never understood why they made it javelin only (heck theres lack of javelins pre-hm)

[grim tusk]

Enter the Gungeon
Unless Feedz meant something else

[cobalt pewter]

It is indeed the

Gungeon

Byeah

[shadow knoll]

lmao, someone asked to make the mod difficult

[narrow umbra]

heheh

[shadow knoll]

Meme or nah?

[narrow umbra]

no

[pine star]

big meme

[narrow umbra]

dmode lowkey easy

[shadow knoll]

I mean...

[pine star]

Especially because of the lack of reasoning

[shadow knoll]

I honestly can't even play rev+ unless i have teammates

so I think this is more of a you problem than a problem with mod

[narrow umbra]

grind skill on abombination boss just hack stuff in its how i got good at game

[earnest cape]

...

you do realize difficulty is subjective right>

[narrow umbra]

skip all of fargo's up to abombinationn to fight it for fun

[narrow umbra]

not always

[shadow knoll]

this is why you're good, other people may not have time like that

[earnest cape]

average players can nohit ANY boss as long as they have patience and dedication

[narrow umbra]

(tohou games)

[earnest cape]

hell

EVERYONE

can nohit

as long as they have time and dedication

[narrow umbra]

but easily nohit

[shadow knoll]

It's just a specific pattern

[earnest cape]

and basing your suggestion off of nohitting is just no

[pine star]

Photoviscerator seems like a "Stop Having Fun Guy"

No one balances off of nohitting

[narrow umbra]

just that you can easily nohit bosses for medium periods of time on the hardest difficultyy of the mod feels very wrong

[earnest cape]

that's very subjective

[pine star]

"for medium periods of time"

[earnest cape]

I'll have you know

[worn salmon]

it may be easy for you but not for others lol

[shadow knoll]

bro, again it's not a problem with the game, it's a problem with u cus you clearly believe to be a god cus you can nohit all bosses, which is cool and all, but if you think it's easy and that it's bad, then just play game that you find more difficult

[narrow umbra]

:0

[fallow hedge]

this suggestion kinda screams "I'm excellent at this game, make it harder for me. I don't consider anyone else in this equation."

[worn salmon]

the mod is hard already lol

[earnest cape]

and turn off reply ping btw

[small talon]

Guys there's no bother reasoning

He is just an attention whore looking fir an ego boost

[narrow umbra]

no, i just wish the game had another difficulty to keep the game challenging

[earnest cape]

your comment isn't helpful bepis

so can you stop?

[shadow knoll]

well you'll get one

[fast viper]

wait for infernum

[small talon]

I will yes, I'm just reading

[sleek turret]

ok

[shadow knoll]

but in the mean time, just play smthing else

[sleek turret]

so basically you think everyone can no-hit a boss in 1 attemp

[fallow hedge]

if you want a new difficulty boost, why not try a new challenge? There are several handicaps you can give yourself

[narrow umbra]

guess i'll work on full nohit

[sleek turret]

that isn't true

no-hits take dedication and time for completing them

[earnest cape]

anyhow @hollow shell c'mere :grab:

you're going back to the place you belong

[shadow knoll]

uh oh

suggs abt to be deleted

[narrow umbra]

no you can go without being hit for short periods of time with basic knowledge of how to dodge bosses

[earnest cape]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fast viper]

i mean, adrenaline as a mechanic is based on that

[shadow knoll]

wait, what?

that makes no sense

are you saying you should be constantly hit?

[narrow umbra]

im saying it sdhould take better knowledge of bosses to be able to not be hit often

[shadow knoll]

because that's dumb

[gray nebula]

make calamity so hard you basically have to survive at 1hp at the end of every encounter

[narrow umbra]

yes please

[shadow knoll]

my god

[fast viper]

new players are def going to struggle really hard on bosses they haven't fought before

i know i did on expert

[sleek turret]

yeah

[fast viper]

like 80 attempts on scal or something

[shadow knoll]

just cus ur a massochist, doesn't mean everyone else is

[narrow umbra]

it wont be a random difficulty itd be like super ddmode

[fast viper]

dom is working on a new difficulty mode called infernum

i guess you can wait for that

[pine star]

Adding a new difficulty is a don't

[fast viper]

it'll be a separate mod addon and is apparently harder than eternity

[narrow umbra]

yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[robust lava]

Isn't Malice Mode gonna be a thing anyway?

[narrow umbra]

that just makes stuff enraged, therefore unbalancing everything

i think

[sleek turret]

what

[shadow knoll]

they're rebalencing enrage mechanics on bosses

[narrow umbra]

k

[worn salmon]

if you really want the game to be harder just turn on defiled, arma, and iron heart

[sleek turret]

just do preset challenges made by you

[pine star]

Like "flamethrower only"

Or perhaps "nohit with no dashes"

[sleek turret]

yeah

its a sandbox game

you can do whatever you can think of

[narrow umbra]

i did that up to skeletron prime but meowthrower cant do enough dps in a full knight and you need skeletron prime for the next flamethhrower

[sleek turret]

that's how preset challenges work

[narrow umbra]

?

[sleek turret]

and what I meant about that is that certain challenges will have their difficulty spike across the entire playthrough

by limiting yourself into a certain parameter

[zenith hazel]

sugg has no reasoning

[whole sedge]

The difficulty modes aren't just because "expert's too easy for players to no-hit" it's because they change a lot of game mechanics to make it more difficult for those who want it

[zenith hazel]

I’m also confused as to how nohitting is relevant at all

@narrow umbra please address the above in your sugg

[narrow umbra]

if you cant get hit for a while during the hardest difficulty as an average player it feels easy

[haughty owl]

I think it's mentioning adrenaline

idk

[whole sedge]

Cool and not every player can do that, in fact most players can't do that

[narrow umbra]

guess im getting better at game oh

[frozen hornet]

Difficulty is subjective

Smh

If you're good at the game,good

[whole sedge]

Basing an entire game balance around practically a minority isn't a good idea hence why they're shifting a balancing philosophy from no-hitting to just average play

[fast viper]

most players on their first time aren't going to be consistently reaching adrenaline

[frozen hornet]

Some people struggle against rev and some can do death

[robust lava]

Also what even is a "decent amount of time" in this context. That could be saying "oh well I can nohit this boss for 1 second before they hit me"

[whole sedge]

Regardless from the fact that this suggestion has no reasoning at all plus the upcoming balance update and the fact that this is pretty much such a vague and broad subject i doubt this is gonna go anywhere

[narrow umbra]

it takes like 20 seconds to get adrenaline

[narrow umbra]

i just want more difficulty made like revengance/ death

[wooden wedge]

isn't that a don't

though

[robust lava]

Ok, then we loop back around to Malice Mode

[sleek turret]

It takes 30 seconds to adrenaline to charge first of all.

[whole sedge]

Then you have Malice Mode plus that's also a don't.

[sleek turret]

And in 30 seconds anything can happen.

[wooden wedge]

new difficulties is 100% a don't iirc

[narrow umbra]

aeugh

:0

[fast viper]

yeah also wait for infernum lmao

[narrow umbra]

isnt that like separate mod i heard?

[fast viper]

yeah

[narrow umbra]

i kinda want extended gameplay with calamity mod combined with insane difficulty

[fast viper]

define "extended gameplay", because im pretty sure it completely changes some bossfights

[sleek turret]

just wait for infernum

[fast viper]

so yeah just wait lmao ^

[sleek turret]

and if you want that "EXTREEEME" difficulty

[narrow umbra]

just more bosses and progression

[river glen]

calamity is hard enough

[sleek turret]

just do Death + Eternity

[river glen]

if u want the game to be harder go on armagedon or defiled

[narrow umbra]

but golem is dumb with that and eternity is unbalanced imo

[river glen]

maybe complete them first then complain about shit

[sleek turret]

yeah

[river glen]

and average players struggle enough with bosses already

[frail mantle]

calamity is meant to be hard but it isn't meant to be super sayian 63 420th hokage ultra instinct ass blaster virgin destroyer requiem over heaven act 5 hard for everyone

[narrow umbra]

ok :0

[narrow umbra]

awwwwwww

[river glen]

yeah, its like fighting enraged pre-nerf PBG to the average player

[narrow umbra]

but the average player wouldnt try it?

[spring lantern]

im sorry BUT@ancient widget what are your thoughts about whips?

[narrow umbra]

ping be like

[spring lantern]

why do u say it?

[whole sedge]

Calamity whips will be added when tmodloader ports to Terrara 1.4+ so asking about them is pointless.

[narrow umbra]

pinging main person

[frail mantle]

i don't think fab ever actually visits this channel

[frozen hornet]

Whips probably won't be considered for balancing until TMod 1.4 actually works

[spring lantern]

okay, but i think that we already should begin to discuss them

[robust lava]

That's probably for the devs to discuss.

[whole sedge]

Then the devs will discuss them by themselves instead of in the community.

Suggesting something based on future content is a don't for that exact reason also.

[spring lantern]

how to get to them?

ah, im sory

[whole sedge]

By making a suggestion within the "Don't"s guidelines and hoping it gets to the star requirement like what's listed in both the pins and channel descriptions of #suggestions-discussion and #suggestions-posting

[grim tusk]

Can we add “add whips” as an example for future content dont, they seem to be appearing more often and in #calamity-update-talk

Also that last sugg is dumb

Theres already a ton of challenge items

Just go ahead, try DADI mode, if not enough consume odd mushroom

Regular death mode is fine as it is

[grim tusk]

Also you know that fargo’s souls stuff is incredibly busted, specially later in the game

Same goes for alchnpc (lite even if combination potions and the mod’s potions), wingslot and shit like that

#suggestions-posting message
This kinda technically is already on next patch, no more rng

Also that wall of text is specific as fuck

@tardy smelt

[tardy smelt]

hooray

[river glen]

yeah

so is deus'

i think

[grim tusk]

Deus already has a laser pattern

[tardy smelt]

I'm aware of that, despite that I'm not that far into the mod yet

[river glen]

pre nerf PBG is to hard for the average player so they toned it down to be actually possible for them

[grim tusk]

Same for 1.4.4 OD

hey at least its coming back with a vengeance in malice mode

[grim tusk]

Hmm yes that patch were if you enraged it a slight bit it sent you to brazil

[tardy smelt]

also could you elaborate?

[river glen]

and no delay between daashes

as well

[grim tusk]

Loooooong and tons of description for 1 thing

Specially the part where you give angles

[tardy smelt]

I see

lemme figure out how to change that up

[grim tusk]

You dont need to

As fab already has made em have a consistent pattern for rev+ next patch

[tardy smelt]

alright.

[frozen hornet]

I like it but ye fab's made it less rng

[eternal escarp]

its already happening so
good for yah man

(and for all of us)

[narrow umbra]

It seems like the main argument against adding a harder difficulty than death is that it would be too hard for average players,which is also the reason it should be made, tf?

[grim tusk]

And we’re getting malice mode next patch making your sugg redundant

[frail mantle]

Yea Malice is gonna exist

[tardy smelt]

I can't even get past PBG on expert

[wooden quartz]

harpy potion, fly upwards and away from it. or grappling hook launch yourself

[tardy smelt]

I think the main issue I'm having is that making my arena in the middle of a former granite biome was a bad idea

the middle plays underground music even

[wooden quartz]

that would do it

[tardy smelt]

hm.

[agile bolt]

I know im late but wtf is the suggestion about making calamity more difficult :D

[narrow umbra]

I wanna know how bad i am at game

[agile bolt]

How does that let you know that?

[narrow umbra]

Eternal suffering

[agile bolt]

I mean, just do what i do and do an armageddon playthrough for extra challenge

[narrow umbra]

Will do

[tranquil perch]

Play withut using wing slot or other content mods

and death mode

[narrow umbra]

Wing slot is hax anyway and other content mods unbalanced ik

[crude geode]

@gritty shore You're using a vanilla weapon in a modded difficulty, you're going to be struggling with dps.

[gritty shore]

ok true enough

[hollow shell]

and I think Shroomite's greatest strength comes from the standstill stealth, which you prolly aren't doing a lot of during the moons

[gritty shore]

thats fair too

[hollow shell]

Can you test with other on-tier equipment like Perennial and see how you do?

[earnest cape]

shroomite stealth doesn't exist idkwym

[gritty shore]

i also used a calamity bow (forget what it was called, but it was like the chlorophyte shotbow but with 2 leaves in it, crafted with living shards from plantera) but even with that i struggled alot

so i guess the perennial armor is better?

[hollow shell]

For this purpose, most likely yes

[earnest cape]

ranger perennial is just shoots rockets once in a while right?

why test perennial though it's getting changed

[dapper coral]

reaver is probably not a good test because in 1.5 it's totally different anyhows

[gritty shore]

but seriously the low drop rate is still kind of a bit annoying

[hollow shell]

Well nah it's still fine because what we're trying to see is if the moons are unbalanced

Perennial is just an on-tier armor set

[dapper coral]

ye
ig it doesn't matter all that much

[crude geode]

Also use a actually good weapon for the event, like anything in the pre-golem setup that has AoE. https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Guide:Class_setups/Hardmode

to put a small opinion in here, normal moons have never been much of a problem for me in calamity as long as I'm actually using some aoe weapons to clear trash mobs. Final wave and post dog aside of course.

[gritty shore]

4.44% drop rate for a single weapon on the ice queen seems a bit absurd for how hard they are to kill

by the time you get to waves that spawn the ice queen its almost day

by the time you’re about to kill one it turns day and it flies away

and mind you we had 2 people

me and a melee

using the north pole

and christmas tree sword

weapons of that tier

[crude geode]

vanilla weapon in a modded playthrough

[gritty shore]

its only revengance tho

why does revengance give mini bosses THAT much health

[hollow shell]

That's still a higher difficulty than Expert

[gritty shore]

and even in expert we had trouble with other events too

[crude geode]

vanilla weapons are known for being not as effective or nerfed in cal

[gritty shore]

i think this is a vanilla thing because post mech OOA is very difficult for being post mech in expert

[distant gyro]

Re-Logic intends the player to battle the seasonal moons Post-Golem

[crude geode]

This is the actual melee weapons recommended for pre-golem, the phase you're at

[distant gyro]

which is why they have 44k health

in Calamity it's intended to be Post-Plantera

[crude geode]

Note that there's only 3 vanilla melee weapons recommended pre-golem, heal knives, yo-yo, and the classic terra blade

[earnest cape]

an event intended for post golem with weapons barely good post golem

omegalul

[gritty shore]

i even used the bladedge railbow and that still struggled alot

am i just being a noob?

[crude geode]

probably tbfh

[distant gyro]

balancing

[gritty shore]

i am a bit new to calamity i only started 2 years ago

[crude geode]

use the class setups page

[gritty shore]

hold on if its intended to be post golem why is it post plantera

that makes no sense

[crude geode]

Cal adjusts things

[gritty shore]

ok then

[distant gyro]

more like

Re-Logic wasn't very transparent so modders take their liberties

[gritty shore]

well after i somehow managed to beat a santa-NK1 and got the lucky chain gun drop i managed to reforge it to rapid and beat the frost moon like i was playing doom

[crude geode]

I'm going to once again recommend looking at things like this so you're actually using proper gear and accessories.

[gritty shore]

alr thank you

[distant gyro]

it's only known when events are supposed to be fought by 1.4

[gritty shore]

so do i delete the suggestion?

but still drop rates that low for mini bosses are a bit absurd

[fossil finch]

Relogic didn't ever try and mention they were balanced and intended post golem until leinxfors denoted it as a passing quick note when talking about spooky armor, that's funny

[distant gyro]

YEP

it's only balanced then and only then

[gritty shore]

yaaaay relogic

[distant gyro]

everybody and their mother already assumed an event is supposed to be done when it is available

[crude geode]

still disappointed #suggestions-discussion wasn't renamed to relogic-hate-center for april fool's

[gritty shore]

i mean why wouldn’t we be

we see cool material

we see cool item it can craft

[crude geode]

the drop rates increase as the event goes on, as long as you go through most of the event you'll get a decent amount of drops.

[gritty shore]

we look up cool item and see cool event with cooler drops (pun intended)

[gritty shore]

but i mean you cant get very far with post plant gear

[distant gyro]

because it's also an internal calamity hate center, along with hate centers for other mods

[gritty shore]

but i understand now that its meant to be post golem

well we managed to tank through it and got the snowman cannon

so now i just rip and tear golem and the pumpkin moon

so do i delete the suggestion?

cause im not sure

[distant gyro]

test with better equipment and maybe reconsider

[gritty shore]

alr i wont be able to do that until tommorow

so i’ll just delete it

[warm scarab]

#suggestions-posting message

[frail mantle]

voodoo demon spawn rate is bugged in the current update, they spawn way more often than intended

it's fixed in 1.5

[crude geode]

#changelogs message

@covert cloak

[frail mantle]

that yea

[covert cloak]

Yes?

Well fuck me then

[frail mantle]

a temporary fix in the meantime is that if you have Fargo's Mutant installed, iirc you can craft the Voodoo Dolls into stackable versions of the item

[covert cloak]

Nice

[eternal escarp]

ye, they do

[frail mantle]

@eternal ruin see above

[eternal ruin]

ok

[crude geode]

unsure if this skirts the line of something too specific

[tiny oracle]

I believeeee the key is the lock to Cryogen that was used before it became Cryogen

[cobalt pewter]

I'd say the last part is an example

[tiny oracle]

could be wrong tho

[cobalt pewter]

So it should be fine

But idk

We do need more variety in boss spawning that are interesting, while still providing a simpler option to spawn them for farming

[frail mantle]

maybe specify that the last part is just an example

iunno

[cobalt pewter]

Likely similar to the evil bosses part 2

[heady lichen]

so it would be like paraffin cage?

[cobalt pewter]

They can only be spawned naturally until you beat them (or killed a good number of the worms in the case of perf)

Then you can make their spawn item

[crude geode]

It's kinda weird to me that the Cryo Key isn't actually used to unlock anything, tbh.

[cobalt pewter]

Unless the spawn item is something you can get through somewhat an effort, like Scarabeus' spawn item able to be obtained by exploring a structure to get a quest item, then talking to an NPC about the quest item to get the spawn item

(but Scarab Idol has a crafting recipe before the boss dies so idk)

[crude geode]

Even with something like Keys of Light/Night, you put it in a chest and it corrupts the chest it's in

[cobalt pewter]

Put Cryo Key in Ice Chest to spawn Cryo

Galaxy brain

[crude geode]

New players never fight cryogen bc that's so specific

but that would fit

[cobalt pewter]

A wip boss of mine is spawned with a handheld bell that you use similarly to a broadsword, so even changing how the spawn item is used would be a bare minimum imo

[pine star]

"ding dong"
WHOMST HAS AWAKENED THE ANCIENT ONE?

[cobalt pewter]

[warm scarab]

good idea

i'll try to see if it's possible

[pine star]

@ashen warren Lack of reasoning

[cobalt pewter]

Also why

@zenith hazel

[sleek turret]

why do yoyos need true melee

[zenith hazel]

pretty sure yoyos show true melee damage because melee armor sets do that

but it's not inherently true melee

[sleek turret]

I guess they do that because of the visual stat showing it when you have true melee boosts applied.

[still zodiac]

Yoyos have no reason to be True melee

True melee is supposed to get close to bosses to deal damage

[sleek turret]

They are basically screen-wide on Calamity.

[pine star]

You mean screen-long?

[sleek turret]

well

if you play on a 1366x768 monitor

yoyos get stuck in the sense you can't go further than that with your resolution

[pine star]

Oh

[cobalt pewter]

Yoyos have no rights to be melee

Let alone true melee

Bad subclass

[sleek turret]

weapons that depend on a certain accessory to be good

[pine star]

Yoyo Glove

For some godforsaken reason

[still zodiac]

Both

Main point is the double yoyo thing

Which is fucking stupid

[sleek turret]

Its stupid

It messes with i-frames

you can just grab Quagmire and use yoyo bag with it

and basically you'll see how the spores do i-frame fuckery

[grim tusk]

Yoyo’s dealing tru meme dmg, as if some of em werent busted enough

[sleek turret]

they are proyectiles cataloged as melee so your damage bonuses and stuff can benefit them

swords are a hitbox with a sprite I think

[grim tusk]

Some yoyos even spawn projectiles

[pine star]

Most of the Calamity ones do

[sleek turret]

yeah

[rich echo]

yes that’s how most swords will work in terraria

with the hitbox tied to the sprite

[violet dagger]

What

[gray venture]

crash GIF

[narrow umbra]

Isnt everything a hitbox with a sprite?

[hollow shell]

Well, most damaging entities spawned by the player are projectiles, including minions and spears and yoyos
Swords are unique in that they're their own thing

Or rather, that their hold-out/swung sprite deals damage
(it's possible to make other weapon types have their holdout deal damage, like Hellborn)

[narrow umbra]

But they are hitboxes and still have sprites right?

[hollow shell]

(Depends, are you going to undercut my explanation with a facetious comment?)

[narrow umbra]

Facetious?

[hollow shell]

joking/flippant/sarcastic

[narrow umbra]

I dont defend smart arguments with bad comedy

[hollow shell]

Ah
@ashen warren I know it's been some time but you should add some reasoning to your suggestion. Explanation to convince people why your suggestion would be a good idea.

[rich echo]

the way vanilla generates it's sword hitboxes is via the sprite

this is easily checkable by changing the sizes via texture packs

which they have now removed, causing me and many others absolute pain when messing with sprites

[narrow umbra]

Fancy

[fading silo]

@crude geode why do you always put a “?”. Idk I’m just curious.

[crude geode]

stolen borrowed from ThomasThePencil, helps create space between the title and content. Mostly a carryover from when #suggestions-posting didn’t exist

[fading silo]

Ah

[coarse silo]

I don't get the cryogen sugg

It's purely cosmetic doesn't break the game in any way

Plus cryogen is the archmage's prison so the key makes sense, as beating cryogen "unlocks" the prison/cryogen and frees archmage

[cobalt pewter]

@crude geode

[crude geode]

Idk why you pinged me for this when it’s already in voting

[cobalt pewter]

Idk probably appropriate or smth

[sleek turret]

tbh I like the sugg

[crude geode]

The reason I dislike it is it’s very bland and boring when compared to something like truffle/blood worms or the cysts. Not to say holding up and summoning things can’t be a thing, just that 80% of Terraria summons are like it, and can be changed to be very different and unique (see Astrum Deus)

Additionally, holding up this random key in the air and the prison being somehow attracted to it is...confusing to say the least. Unlocking something with the key directly would be a lot more fitting and unique.

[coarse silo]

Well it's the key to release archmage, and cryogen nor cryogen's creator wouldn't want that

[violet sierra]

I think you could make a natural Cryogen spawn

Cryogen maybe aimlessly wandders the ice biome and the natural spawn could relate to that

but yeah I agree that a lot of summons are jusut hold item and thing shows up and that there needs to be more organic things

and i hope that they will come with time

I still think Rune of Kos should make the sentiels spawn nautrally occasioonally

lol

lkike if you're in space and you have it in your inventory

storm weaver might just jump you

[coarse silo]

I can agree with this

I think it should be natural and instant because waiting until the boss spawns would be less efficient than being able to summon it immediately

[violet sierra]

you could still use the rune of kos

its just that if you have it on you

they muight jump you naturally

[wide flicker]

Sorta to show they are actively searching for it rather than just noticing it being flailed around

[violet sierra]

ye

most people keep a money trough on them anyways, so its not an annoying feature or anything

amidsas coudl warn you about it too

[coarse silo]

How is cryo key consumable tho, does the key break when you use it to unlock archmage out of the prison?

[violet sierra]

I mean i just generally think all boss ssumons should be made non consumable and just increase the crafting price

having to crafgt 25 charred idols was...

not the best

[coarse silo]

No

[earnest cape]

it's more of a gameplay thing and a heads up cause stepping into the ice biome and having cryogen spawning immediately without a warning is dumb

and who thinks of boss' natural spawning and think "hey i should just wait for this since they spawn by itself" its unrealistic

it just exists is my point

[violet sierra]

Im sort of confused now lol

[earnest cape]

i just wanted to say cryo naturally spawning immediately is dumb

[violet sierra]

Oh, yeah

for sure

any natural spawn should have a warning

[lunar sky]

You know how eaglecrest golem spawns in MoR

I think Cryogen should be like that

[narrow umbra]

Death mode?

[violet sierra]

Death mode spawns are kinda lame

theyd be less lame if they had their own messages

but they all use the same generic message

[narrow umbra]

That could be overhauled?

[violet sierra]

hmmm

has anyone made that sugg

[pine star]

no

[hollow shell]

Yes

[pine star]

oops

I meant "not that I know of"

[violet sierra]

I guess it got deleted then because I dont see it in suggestions voting

or they didnt specifically mention something is coming

[dapper coral]

#suggestions-voting message

[violet sierra]

ah cool

so they a;lready like the idea

[earnest cape]

more like

left burnt from too long in the back burner

[violet sierra]

Oh so its an idea theyve had but never get around to doing it

makes sense

its like the lowest of low priority, after all

[earnest cape]

no

they just verified it and forgot it exists i assume like most 👍 suggs

[violet sierra]

oh

[left sparrow]

I wanna make a suggestion to make all the boss summons in post ML be non consumable

Because of how many times I fucken die to these bosses I just wanna try again and not waste 5 plat or some other shit just to get the boss spawned

[ashen warren]

aren't they already tho

[left sparrow]

The ones to spawn Chicken nuggets, Dragonfolly and first time Provi are not.

And before you say chicken nuggets are easy they're really not

They just home onto your position and are generally hell to actually dodge

[ashen warren]

oh yeah i forgot the nonconsumable provi requires beating her lol

[left sparrow]

yyyyyyyep

Provi's not very difficult, though. The chicken balls are actually harder imo lmao

[ashen warren]

for dodging just move in a pattern

like

♾️

[left sparrow]

I do that, he hits me regardless

[ashen warren]

that works pretty well for me

[dapper coral]

i think the provi summon is becoming nonconsumable in 1.5?

[left sparrow]

I swear his homing AI is just disgusting

[hollow shell]

You can get non-consumable version pre-Prov

[dapper coral]

as in, they're removing the consumable version

[ashen warren]

provi can be annoying sometimes lmao

[left sparrow]

I'm sorry WHAT

I thought it needed Eulibloom!

[hollow shell]

It's just Unholy Essence

[dapper coral]

#changelogs message

[left sparrow]

Oh. Well thanks for telling me that

[dapper coral]

yeah consumable version is being removed

[left sparrow]

Cool, thanks for letting me know.

HOWEVER.

[ashen warren]

i thought it was post-provi for some reason

lmao

but nuggets spawn is cheap anyway

[left sparrow]

Dragonfolly summon is still very annoying to waste all my materials on

Might just kill him after I get the funny provi weapons

[ashen warren]

i never had many issues with the birb

[left sparrow]

Once he gets super low, his dashes are too fast for you to dodge

Like legitimately, I'll be falling and his dashes hit me even when I'm myself dashing away from him

It's unfair

[ashen warren]

just use vertical mobility more

[left sparrow]

Wdym

I can't fall faster

[ashen warren]

you can go up

[left sparrow]

Yeah, but I can't fly forever

[ashen warren]

or use normality

[ashen warren]

platforms

or rails + grapple

[left sparrow]

Platforms would make him even harder, I might try rails instead

[ashen warren]

yeah just grapple them to reset flight

and get normality relocator

[whole sedge]

Slime Mount can make you fall faster also.

[earnest cape]

#calamity-mod-talk

[safe oasis]

@still minnow fix the formatting

but also..isn't that what those modes already do?

[zenith hazel]

the suggestion also needs a reason

[still minnow]

I know, it is just that I would love for dog to have his laser walls become deathrays to make him a bit harder as his lasers are currently somewhat cheesable.

Such as using the evolution for instance.

[safe oasis]

aren't those already deathrays though

literal walls of lasers

[still minnow]

I meant moon lord type lasers

This is only at low health tho.

[safe oasis]

oh like a static laser

1. how would it make it harder
2. why does the fight need to be harder
   (put these in the suggestion too not just here)

[cobalt pewter]

A part of my sugg there has been resting in the textbox for a whole day

Forgot about it

[river glen]

just a though, what about making deus faster for a few seconds so he uncoils faster and does not have like 10 sec of invulnurability

same with destroyer

[still minnow]

yeah, that would be nice

Deathrays would make the lasers a bit harder to dodge and would make it look more epic.

[frozen hornet]

Ah yes the op worm of death can fire death rays from seemingly nothing in organised patterns

[still minnow]

I mean, it has interdimensional powers, this would make it even more obvious and cool.

[earnest cape]

cool isn't a valid reason for suggestions as per rules and you should already get that impression from the name "Devourer of Gods" and the fact the community loves the boss

the last part might not be true but /shrug

[crude geode]

The fact that it uses a portal to teleport should be obvious enough to hint at it having inter dimensional powers

[earnest cape]

^

[covert escarp]

i mean i love the boss despite never fighting it before

[earnest cape]

[frozen hornet]

I don't know how you look at a death ray and think "dang this thing must have dimensional powers". Provi and ML both have deathrays but neither have dimensional powers

[hollow shell]

(ML is arguable but Provi definitely doesn't)

[whole kraken]

pretty sure somebody said they wanted the deathray to feel special and didn't want to overruse it as to make it seem like a common thing

so it will stick to provi and ml probably unless yharim uses his epic crystal

[vale vale]

Has anyone suggested an item to summon a Slime Rain?

[frail mantle]

probably at some point

but i can't remember anyone suggesting something like that anytime recently

[hollow shell]

^
I don't see anything remotely recent

(You could make the argument that Fargo's Mutant Mod already has summoners for everything, but Calamity adds some summon items already so it would fit precedent for us to add more)

[frail mantle]

well you could also argue that you'll never need a slime rain summon because there's nothing it gives you that you can't get just as easily without the event (except maybe pink gel)

[hollow shell]

Indeed
Such a summon would only be useful reeaally early game

[violet sierra]

zerg slime rain might be faster for Gel than king slime

Okay i wanna make a sugg, but before i make it i need to ask, if a full stack of defective spheres like super absurdly strong or something, and thats why its so absurd to get that

[grim tusk]

Nah they are quite underwhelming for the tier

[violet sierra]

so why do i need 5 for it to be full powwer

and its a 3% drop

[grim tusk]

Although most rogue weapons at the tier (post-plant/cal clone) are underwhelming

[violet sierra]

amk i missing something

[grim tusk]

Yep they should increase that to like 10% or smth lmao

[violet sierra]

i was gonna say 15%

since you need 5

its x5 the weapon

alright

im making that sugg

[grim tusk]

Although imma test rogue weapons at the tier and tell you what i get to see if that helps

Just need to find Piky’s template

[violet sierra]

I tried it out and it seems good but not that good?

The drop doesnt even boost to 5% under defilied

[sleek turret]

Its weird like I said hours ago.

Rogue at that point is weird, and the weapon itself is outclassed.

[violet sierra]

doesnt mean that it should be this hard to get

if the weaon isnt even that great

thats more reason for it to be more common

[sleek turret]

I guess.

I didn't note that the weapon itself is hard to get.

[ashen warren]

Making it more common won't fix the fact that it's bad though

So it probably still isn't going to be worth it

[violet sierra]

Why should a bad weapon be rare

[ashen warren]

Im not saying that

I'm saying just improving the drop rate isn't going to fix it as it still isn't worth using

[violet sierra]

alright, well, how good the weapon is doesnt have anything to do with my sugg

I wanted to use it but I dont have the time to farm a 3% drop 5 times in a dangerous event from a somewhat uncommon enemy within that event

[ashen warren]

You could just include buff it as well

[violet sierra]

I guess, but Ive not actually seen it in action yet, so I didnt want to make a statement on its balance

even if it was good

it shouldnt be this absurd

[ashen warren]

ye

[violet sierra]

like id get it if i could zerg the solar eclipse

but zerging post plant solar eclipse at this stage

is

no

even with some of the cheest tactics i still died becuase Mothron is always spawning

[grim tusk]

tried the spheres (spam rogue): 2:28 kill time vs Aureus

i didnt expect that

although some of the stuff i used is nerfed next patch those being crumbling pots no longer benefiting rogue and glove of recklessness

stealth is just NO

[crude geode]

#suggestions-discussion message

Buffing the weapon isn’t the point of the suggestion. Making it reasonably obtainable is.

[grim tusk]

^^

and im now testing and it actually does pretty decent vs Aureus compared to other stuff

it doesnt need a buff lmao (might need a nerf even)

or it does but the other shit rogue has needs even more buffs

[sand umbra]

Defective Spheres are good it's just that nobody uses them because they're terrible to farm

"hmmm yes get this 3.75% drop 5 times from a relatively uncommon post-Plantera Eclipse enemy and you will have a good weapon"

just a small amount of trolling to be had here

even if they get buffed statistically the problem of being disproportionately difficult to actually get in full compared to other classes' post-Plantera Eclipse options is still there

(if you ask me, what'd be even more interesting/beneficial is if Defective Spheres themselves spawned as uncommon enemies and defeating them dropped a Defective Sphere fullstop. but given what I know about things like that getting in...it's probably never gonna happen)

[violet sierra]

and unless you have a death wish you cant zerg either

[distant gyro]

defective sphere drop is probably made on the assumption that you needed one

except it isn't the case

[cobalt pewter]

@ashen warren check pins

Also lacks reasoning

[mighty knot]

yeah basically

you need a specific reason

[cobalt pewter]

And for Defective Sphere, lole

It is a bad weapon yes

For something post plant

[mighty knot]

but also, as of recently, you can't make balance suggestions

cause of draedon's

[cobalt pewter]

There are Fantasy Talisman, Duststorm in a Bottle and Frostcrush Valari for post-plant, pre aureus and levi

These are fucking good for that tier

[ashen warren]

i want to be a tester

im not chad

so i cant

[cobalt pewter]

And Defective Sphere is

[ashen warren]

kicks desk

[cobalt pewter]

And the rarity is even more annoying

We don't need astronomically low drop rates from a rare enemy in a fucking event

This ain't mmo

[dapper coral]

myeah unfortunately this one is a no-go chief

that would be better suited for #help-advice-read-pins

[ashen warren]

frik

[cobalt pewter]

Honestly I'd rather see Defective Sphere be not stacked, and right click swaps its modes

[violet sierra]

yeah thats what it feels like

it feels like whoever decided the drop rate didnt get the memo that you nedd 5

lol

[distant gyro]

I'd rather not

[violet sierra]

stacking weapons are fun

[distant gyro]

everyone would just swap to the homing mode because it's the most ♿

and the light disc concept is relatively unused

also you should try out sphere for yourself before making a judgement, it's on par with duststorm if used well iirc (even better with max hits)

[violet sierra]

i mean Storm tried it on Aureus, the boss youd likely use it against, and he said it might even need a nerf

[distant gyro]

event stuff are on the highest tier of plant weapons

[grim tusk]

Vs Aureus, vs Levi which i didnt test due to a migraine i had; it will prob do god awful with its short as fuck range

But the dmg up close is pretty darn good

[distant gyro]

it's no coincidence snowman cannon, blizzard staff, fantasy talisman are among the best

[grim tusk]

Post-Plant mage just becomes uterly busted

[violet sierra]

ugh man, The Pumpkin and Frost moon at this tier

[grim tusk]

Also does rogue have a seasonal moon drop?

[distant gyro]

nope

[grim tusk]

Also summoner doesnt have a frost moon drop doesnt it?

[distant gyro]

also a nope

and raven staff is lol

[violet sierra]

Summoner gets a whole armor set from Pumpkin Moon

so thats fair at least

[grim tusk]

Yea last time I tried blizzard staff on Aureus and Levi it was lole

Why the fuck is mage so broken post-Plant/Clone

Even outside of glass cannon its damage is just stupid

And on glass i feel like i have explained it a thousand times

Anyways returning to rogue

It gets a ton from solar eclipse: Umbraphile, totality breakers (which suck and lag the game every now and then), fantasy talismans and penumbra
From the seasonal moons it gets absolutely nothing

Not even from Permafrost

Which other classes get (except summoner cuz lole)

[violet sierra]

it getting some spooky halloween themed item or something would be neat and fitting for the class' vibe, i suppose lol

[grim tusk]

But problem is making a sugg that isnt a SIS for that

[violet sierra]

ye

[grim tusk]

Rogue lacks sythes lmao

Maybe one could work for pumpkin moon

But SIS

[violet sierra]

Pumpking scythe and the stealth strike spawns the projectile pumpking makes

no SIS allowed

[grim tusk]

“Reap what you sow”

[distant gyro]

just do a normal suggestion

smh

[grim tusk]

Im thinking

[cobalt pewter]

True melee scythe but stealth strike creates a barrage of pumpking scythes

[grim tusk]

Would be really fun but i was thinking more of something like celestus, molten apuntator or throwing axes for pumpkin moon

It would be ass on the bosses if it works like final dawn lmao

Specially considering you dont have as much factors that make final dawn good (and even broken if used right, its hard indeed)

Considering that at the tier rogue doesnt have that much boomerangs

4 bombs (which are all pretty similar)
4 boomerangs
3 daggers (1 consumable)
7 others
No spears nor spiky balls

And I dont think rogue needs yet another accessory considering the broken as fuck gloves exist and abyssal mirror

[whole kraken]

we need a rogue weapon that is just that really annoying greek fire attack from morning wood

maybe in spiky ball form

[crude geode]

barrel but it releases greek fire as it travels

[cobalt pewter]

mmm

[earnest cape]

IT'S 4TH OF JULY

[ashen finch]

Well with all due respect, he would try it, but the drop rate is pathetically low

[cobalt pewter]

Honestly I would love for invisibility theming with stealth to just perish

It really boils down to flavor and won't reflect what stealth actually is in 1.5 anymore

[vital condor]

#suggestions-voting message has passed 200

[earnest cape]

wait wait wait i know this is late as fuck and probably discussed already

im 95% sure all summons from set bonuses are despawnable by just right clicking it in buff slot

mechworm, gone just right click the buff

if they also mean hote for some reason it's also despawnable by toggling the visibility

maybe not red devil from demonshade but funny doll exists

[crude geode]

Pretty sure Polterghast’s mines don’t count in that and are weird.

Sorry, bloodflare’s

But I also have trouble believing the mechworm actually goes away when you right click it, it usually just comes back instantly.

[still zodiac]

none of the summons from summoner armor get despawned if you right click them

[crude geode]

Yeah that’s what I remember

[earnest cape]

welp I'm too lazy to test in game

[crude geode]

@frail mantle Suggestion to deliver, also can you confirm or deny that armor summons are despawnable

[frail mantle]

i can't deliver suggestions because i'm not a full tester

also i'm pretty sure armor sets constantly apply the minion buff, so unless your buff slots are filled the minion will just respawn instantly

leads to some things like being able to spam the Daedalus summon armor crystal projectile by spam right clicking the crystal buff

[earnest cape]

well no fault in testing right?

[crude geode]

that’s so weird

[earnest cape]

at least from a faint memory i remembering disabling mechworm

and it never came back

well until i resummon it again cause the summon was bugging out and I couldn't summon more with the staff

[crude geode]

The only memory I have of mechworm is it constantly respawning from me right clicking the buff

[earnest cape]

okay nope I was wrong mechworm just resummons over and over again

wait a fucking minute

nvm

ok yeah no it resummons again and again

now to confirm whether or not you can just have worm active and get soul crystal

[crude geode]

No matter what it’s annoying Bc buff slot limit

[earnest cape]

that's just every single armor set bonus that adds a minion lol

but yes it's stupid

[cobalt pewter]

Is it even possible to have buffs that don't directly use buff slots in current tmod?

(I know it's possible with 1.4 overhaul though)

[crude geode]

Polterghast mines exist

from bloodflare

[earnest cape]

what's the doll from hardcore dog again

cosmic plushie

[crude geode]

You mean the thing like five people have probably done

legit

yeah

[earnest cape]

i take it back crystal doesn't drop in expert

right can't send videos

[cobalt pewter]

The mines straight up do not have buff icons yes

Means that they shouldn't be able to be cancelled while wearing the armor

What I was referring to it some sort of "info" buffs, where they show up in buff rows, but they don't necessarily take a buff slot

[crude geode]

at that point why have limits on buffs

[earnest cape]

OKAY APPARENTLY the damage sparks from nucleo makes you not able to get soul crystal for some reason?????

imma test it again with nucleo to see if I get crystal or not

and yes scal is dead so it should be a 100% chance

yep you just straight up can't get the crystal with nucleo

or at least I didn't

[still zodiac]

you can't

only aura from tarragon armor is allowed to hit provi outside of donuts

[earnest cape]

to be completely rough that's incredibly fucking stupid

ah I see the only way to get crystal rn is to make demonshade and get cosmic plushie

i love this mod but jesus christ this is just retarded

but back to the sugg, yes you can't despawn the crystal nor can you despawn the mechworm from auric set bonus

and to add on to that you must not equip nucleogenesis damage providence otherwise it'd be invalid

[still zodiac]

luckily other damage boosting stuff still works like DSA, reaper tooth necklace

[earnest cape]

those things only offer stat boosts whether positive or negative so yes it's pretty obvious

[still zodiac]

byeah its still a bit too specific what stuff you can or can't use to get profaned soul crystal

[earnest cape]

yeh

[earnest cape]

@tawny ocean would you mind giving a better reason other than "it'd be cool" as it's not allowed per suggestion rules

[tawny ocean]

fair enough, i'll edit it now

[crude geode]

Also this specific suggestion is a don’t

[earnest cape]

:thinkies:

[crude geode]

It’s not a priority when compared with something like balancing

When it comes time to polishing the mod then it will be more relevant

[tawny ocean]

dang i'll delete it then

[mighty knot]

@summer shadow #bugs-read-pins is where those reports go

[summer shadow]

Oh ok

[wheat ocean]

h

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Journey’s End whip sugg

[frail mantle]

yeah uh

suggestions relating to 1.4 content is disallowed because the devs will deal with that when tMod 1.4 is stable enough for Calamity to actually port

[hollow shell]

@wheat ocean Not only is 1.4 content not supposed to be suggested, but your ideas are also too specific
(you're supposed to suggest general ideas and not exact items with names & stats)

[wheat ocean]

deletes self

[mighty knot]

@wheat ocean you need a reason

[wheat ocean]

i was writing the reason

[mighty knot]

and good luck finding a good one for that

ah

[hollow shell]

Problem with that

New music tracks take up more file size

[wheat ocean]

oh

understandable have a nice day

[pine star]

@crimson meteor Too specific

[crimson meteor]

What do you mean too specific

[pine star]

There's a doc in the pins of this channel

Detailing all the "don'ts"

[crimson meteor]

I don't think it falls into any of the don'ts

Unless it would take "extreme effort"

I figured there is probably already AI from monsters in the game you can pull from

But maybe I'm wrong

It would just be a button you push and then the minions start following that targetting priority instead

[whole sedge]

Pretty sure someone already referenced something like this and a developer said it'd basically require redoing most of the AI for minions and making 4 per in their place but

[crimson meteor]

Oh ok

[whole sedge]

Plus if you want priority right click exists

[crimson meteor]

Thanks for input

[hollow shell]

Ah I see the suggestion. Smarter minion targeting so it has selectable tower-defense-like priorities.
A neat idea, but unfortunately it'd likely be very difficult to execute