suggestions-discussion

[grim tusk]

Teleporters go brrr

[shadow knoll]

I just think it'd be a little better for OD if he gave a bit more than like 6 weapons

[eternal escarp]

a real low% run includes:
WoF
Skeleprime
Plant
ravager / cryogen
LC
ML
Provi + Guardians
DoG
yharon
scal

[eternal escarp]

same could be said for alot of bosses

[whole sedge]

Yeah same could be said for literally like 85% of the bosses

[eternal escarp]

the fact he drops 6 weapons (which is already quite a bit) doesnt exactly make him need more content

hell

DFolly drops like, 4 weapons

[candid grove]

wait what why do u have to do plant

[eternal escarp]

cant remember currently tbf

[grim tusk]

Ecto

[eternal escarp]

i think ecto drops from abyss are locked behind it

ye

[candid grove]

ohhh

[shadow knoll]

I mean tbh, I feel like Dfolly should get more too tbh

[eternal escarp]

then comes the question

[whole sedge]

Yeah then where do we stop just adding new content to these bosses

[eternal escarp]

actually not a question

yeah exactly

not every boss needs 564516858465615 outcomes and rewards

some bosses are fully optional, just for the challenge & the extras

[candid grove]

and why skeleprime

[eternal escarp]

you need soul for the moon events

[grim tusk]

Souls of fright

[shadow knoll]

ig ye

[whole sedge]

Can really say the same thing for Eye as it's got what, 2 items that really benefit you from killing it? Same with Eater of Worlds and the list goes on and on and on

And souls of fright and moon events iirc

[candid grove]

oh right

not plant

[eternal escarp]

plantera can be fought before all mechs actually

byeah

[whole sedge]

yeah my bad

[eternal escarp]

atleast in cal it can

yeye

EoW / BoC actually benefit (directly) the least

1 accesory

ofc, the do unlock the hellstone tier (if you dont sequence break)

but thats also enough for them

1 outcome

[whole sedge]

also don't have to "beat" them to unlock the hellstone tier due to segment funnies and creepers being dumb

[grim tusk]

And OoA t1

[eternal escarp]

we dont talk about OoA

[whole sedge]

fuck ooa

[shadow knoll]

You know what

no

don't fuck ooa

I LIKE OOA

there i said it

[eternal escarp]

i mean

good for you ig

[candid grove]

why do u need ectoplasm

[eternal escarp]

its just a tedious event

[candid grove]

u can get cores from ravager right

[eternal escarp]

present iirc

and some other stuff down the line

[clever dagger]

i do wish od was more worth it tbh

[candid grove]

dumb moon summons

[eternal escarp]

well

[clever dagger]

stupid moon summons add like 3 bosses on their own lmao

[whole sedge]

Really if you want Old Duke to be more worth it then just actually use OD's drops

[eternal escarp]

OD's drop are likely to be better

[clever dagger]

yeah od drops are getting buffed

but still

[eternal escarp]

because of the curve stuff

[dapper coral]

(factual)

[eternal escarp]

we got factualized

byeah

[clever dagger]

dark spark better get a hard nerf lmao

[eternal escarp]

id say 1-2 weapons for each class is already more then enough

[clever dagger]

it just kinda deletes dog

[eternal escarp]

• the event itself giving like, 2 weapons i think?

[craggy kernel]

and handicapp yourself for no reason because other weapons are almost always better

[eternal escarp]

or atleast gamma heart that got reworked

[clever dagger]

yeah but rn the event weaps are garbage

[eternal escarp]

read a few messages above

[candid grove]

last thing i think

[eternal escarp]

(also fetid emesis is great wdym)

[candid grove]

why need provi

[eternal escarp]

blossom pick

for auric ore

[clever dagger]

blossom pick

[craggy kernel]

yeah, ranger is the exception

otherwise you have better options

[candid grove]

bruh

[clever dagger]

ive always used monsoon on dog?

[whole sedge]

Yeah what the fuck fetid emesis is great and the ones that kind of are lacking are still going to get buffed

[craggy kernel]

technically sentry but i mean

sentry

[eternal escarp]

in any case

OD is fine, its optional for a reason, and its a challenge

the buffs will likely get buffed in any case

and god like

not EVERYTHING needs a reward
sometimes overcoming the challenge is good enough

[candid grove]

low% very fun, grind draconic swarmers

[eternal escarp]

mhm

byeah

[candid grove]

also kill wof with pre-boss weapons lol

[clever dagger]

its not that bad

dynamite strats

[candid grove]

beenade

jk

time to do min bosses except with eoc as well bcs random spawn go haha

[fair ledge]

fun until DoG

[candid grove]

i feel like post-dog would be way worse

[crude geode]

@ashen warren You're gonna need some reasoning behind your suggestion.

[cobalt pewter]

Fucking hell how are ya so fast

[crude geode]

Lurking

[grim tusk]

also they are just adding godslayer bullets, please wait til the mod expands before auric ammo is needed

[cobalt pewter]

1.5

[grim tusk]

aka next patch

vanquisher arrows already exist

[hollow shell]

There are already godslayer arrows

yeah lol

(Just makin sure you know Godslayer is post-DoG tier right?)

[grim tusk]

(yes)

[hollow shell]

(Talkin to vol)

(I wouldn't expect that to be a satisfactory answer cuz it's not in the tier vol requested)

[frail mantle]

ah yes thank you discord

maybe one truly is two

[hollow shell]

My exclam disappeared on my end so I re-added it

Now it says 2

[frail mantle]

still only says 1 on my end

cool !

[eternal escarp]

on my end its 0

discord moment

[hollow shell]

Aight cool

[zenith hazel]

are they going to edit their suggestion or...

[grim tusk]

nah they seem satisfied with godslayer slugs being added

[zenith hazel]

but the auric suggestion is still there

[grim tusk]

just delete it or smth, they are no longer online

[crude geode]

Can tiki armor be moved in progression at all? I don’t feel like it’s ever useful post plant considering spooky armor is almost always going to outclass it, in addition to fathom swarmer kinda just outclassing it in terms of tanky summoner.

[hollow shell]

We could adjust all their stats to give them even more distinct specialization
Moving a whole armor set (especially one with such close ties to its source boss) wouldn't be preferred

[crude geode]

Fair

I feel like the distinction between spooky and fathom is good enough though, with one being damage and one being defense.

[hollow shell]

I always thought the dichotomy between Tiki and Spooky was strong few minions versus not-as-strong many minions

[crude geode]

Uh no

Tiki doesn’t give any extras compared to Spooky, at least in vanilla

[hollow shell]

Oh huh
Same slots

[crude geode]

Yeah

[frail mantle]

in 1.4 they give the same slots

[hollow shell]

Ohhh

[frail mantle]

in 1.3 Spooky gives one less slot but more minion damage

[hollow shell]

Ah so I got it flipped

[frail mantle]

iirc 1.3 Spooky is only better than Tiki damage wise if you have at least one minion slot accessory (something you're basically guaranteed to have at that point, especially in Calamity)

[crude geode]

Yeah cuz one extra minion vs all your like 8 current minions dealing like 20% more damage.

[still zodiac]

The only saving grace for tiki is leaf wings, which makes it more preferable for people who want to go defensively

(aka me but that's besides the point )

[hollow shell]

Leaf Wings do give a greater boost to Tiki
than Spooky to Spooky

well

Leaf Wings effects are pretty good defensive stuff

Spooky is +5% damage and more minion kb
so
+5% damage

[crude geode]

knockback

[hollow shell]

Lil specific with the suggested change but, I see the reason

[still zodiac]

Rip buff cap slots though

[crude geode]

It's slightly specific just because I wanna carve out a niche with it, since Fathom Swarmer has better defense than it underwater so it's actually better than tiki defensively, even considering leaf wings. Still has a bit less damage due to missing two minion slots though.

[shadow knoll]

I do agree with reworking spooky in some way

If i was being honest, Id prefer it be a tank armor because it already gives more defense then spooky, but FS exists.

[clever dagger]

tbh personally im comfortable with it being worse, you dont have to put any effort into getting it at all whereas fs you have to go get abyss shit and with spooky you gotta do the funky moon

[warm scarab]

@shadow knoll about your sugg, consider that polter drops some weapons that only a few people use, which are all quite powerful on od(ghastly visage even nukes him). You can add this point to say something like "it will also make polter's drops useful"
and since bloodflare armor exist thee's no real need to go to abyss after polter because omegablue is... for glass cannon i guess

[shadow knoll]

Thanks, I think I did mention that actually at least the thing about bf armor

[shadow knoll]

I mean the abyss weapons exist, that's why most people go, unless you're ranger then there's no point cus abyss tier 3/4 drops absolutely nothing for ranger

[warm scarab]

i mean still

[shadow knoll]

Oh but ur point about Polter weapons was pretty good, so i put it in

thanks

[warm scarab]

ghastly visage nukes od and terror blade is nice on it

np

[shadow knoll]

ye that's true

[rugged belfry]

I like this concept overall; prioritizing the actual minion > damage output sounds like it would be more fun to play

[shadow knoll]

indeed, i wish more armor sets actually did that

Daedlus/Reaver/hydrothermic summoner helms doing it to give some variety

perhaps?

[burnt bough]

i like the concept, but i dont want to fight a duke fishron clone to get abyss stuff

to fishys sugg

[clever dagger]

od is not a fishron clone lmao

[hollow shell]

Kinda rude

[grim tusk]

If you think its a fishron clone, you are gonna get absolutely demolished by him

[hollow shell]

@sour plinth Haha funny meme suggestion

[ashen warren]

I swear that is not an alt

[sour plinth]

sus

[ashen warren]

..

[hollow shell]

Literally the first one in this section

[ashen warren]

what even is red mario

[haughty owl]

emote thing

[ashen warren]

I search it up on google and all I find is pictures of mario (the italian plumber)

you can't find it anywhere

[hollow shell]

It's just an emote of Mario's face except red

and he looks displeased

[ashen warren]

besides maybe obsoleek server

oh

it's not mario it's luigi

[sour plinth]

:redmario:

[hollow shell]

Anyway I'm going to delete that suggestion now

Actually @sour plinth you have a pretty bad history and have been told off by mods several times before, I'll hit you with a Warn

[sour plinth]

what

please

i have no warns please i beg

[hollow shell]

Please try and not be an ironic haha funny man like, constantly

[sour plinth]

:( thats all i have i will become an empty shell

[clever dagger]

i really love this sugg sad its not more highly voted

[hollow shell]

Got close, at least

[violet dagger]

Think the problem is that it would be a huge change

And if anything we've all learned people don't like huge changes like that

[rugged belfry]

What happened?

[hollow shell]

referring to this

[rugged belfry]

Oh

Yeah Old Duke is similar to Duke Fishron, but he's not a clone; I think of it like they're the same species

[river glen]

old duke is different, and if u fought him u would know his attacks are different to

they have different behavior

[frail mantle]

because they are

[agile bolt]

Bruh, their fights are nothing alike :D

[cobalt pewter]

I'm p sure that's intended

You aren't supposed to kill Eidolon Wyrm anyways

[hazy goblet]

Finally i made a good suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

(though it should be more doable in 1.5)

[hazy goblet]

Yes but you can cheese them even a bad player could kill a wyrm by doing this

[cobalt pewter]

Reading the sugg again, how is allowing money farming a reasonable reasoning?

[hazy goblet]

3 platinum

[cobalt pewter]

Again

[hazy goblet]

• soul edge halibut

Eidolic wall

[cobalt pewter]

It's not reasonable of a reasoning at all

The fact that arma farming will be removed in 1.5 should be obvious

[hazy goblet]

But still the halibut cannon was supposed to be almost imposs to get

Btw i technically discovered a new cheese way of eidolon wyrm

[fading silo]

If they were easier to kill then players could cheese if they have the skills

The Eidolon wyrm isn’t supposed to be an easy enemy to kill

Also are you talking about the adult version or the juvenile version?

[hazy goblet]

Adult

Its hard becuz if u do one step worng or do something late or too early u fuck up the process

Also wyrm in general should be a boss becuz it has so much potential

[hollow shell]

You stab him with what?

[hazy goblet]

The coldheart icycle

Jam is only needed when respawn

[cobalt pewter]

Coldheart Bicycle

[hazy goblet]

For surviving one hit

To trigger him

[cobalt pewter]

In any case the interaction of Jam + Coldheart was an intended, recent addition

[hazy goblet]

I use jam becuz when he comes back i placed a base that when i get killed he instantly hit my respawn

So i can survive one hit and trigger his anger against me again

Its hard becuz if u rod he will kill u since the respawn is at the end of the last segment so rodding wrong kill u

[hollow shell]

Wait Feed (Loki) what are you talkin about?

Didn't we specifically make an exception to prevent this?

[hazy goblet]

Bypass with jam

If u make him hit u by making base near his last segment with jam he triggers back

[hazy goblet]

They removed it

Jam nedeed for making worm angry not damage

Btw @shadow knoll great suggestion

Polter unlock duke wich unlock abyss

[cobalt pewter]

Wouldn't Invincible buff be gone if you'd hold onto Coldheart Icicle?

That's what I meant

[vital condor]

even if that wasn't the case, you can't sustain farming that way as you need new character+world to get more jam

[hazy goblet]

Bruh i said jam isn’t for damage

That jam make what the teleporter method did

[shadow knoll]

Thanks man 👍🏾

[hollow shell]

??? What's the point of Jam if not to prevent damage?
I'm having a hard time following

[cobalt pewter]

Same goes

[hazy goblet]

Rover the jam makes wyrm hit me without dying this thing will preveny despawn

I wanted to say i do not use jam for helping me damage wyrm

[earnest cape]

exploiting jam to not die from wyrm

that's what they're saying or at least what I'm getting

[hazy goblet]

I use jam so he hit me and he comes back to kill me

Thats the ai fucker

[earnest cape]

(turn off reply ping) wha

im getting more confused

[hazy goblet]

U get hit by wyrm but u do not die to him so he wants to kill you instead of going to the depths

[earnest cape]

turn off reply pings

[hazy goblet]

Sorry

The. U teleport and re do the thing when u die

[eternal escarp]

so the wyrm tries to kill you, even if it doesnt succeed the first time?

is that what you meant here?

[hazy goblet]

Yes

[eternal escarp]

isnt that like

normal behavior?

[hazy goblet]

The jam makes him like he haven’t killed u

[eternal escarp]

wait

[earnest cape]

well yeah you didn't die cause jam made you invincible

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[earnest cape]

being alive=wyrm keeps targetting you

you're going to eventually run out of jam and die

[hazy goblet]

So he will not despawn becuz trying to kill

[eternal escarp]

(and then theres the respawn bug thing iirc)

[hazy goblet]

Then re

[earnest cape]

fear

[eternal escarp]

23nd

[earnest cape]

lmfao

[eternal escarp]

so uh

back to topic

[hazy goblet]

Just a little farming of jam and u are alryght to kill the wyrm

[eternal escarp]

the thing is

you cant really farm jam

[candid grove]

farming jam is cringe

[eternal escarp]

and like

if you wanna cheese the wyrm thats on you

not really the games fault

[cobalt pewter]

At this point just forcibly despawn the wyrm

[shadow knoll]

wtf is jam?

Like legit idk is it slang for smth?

[robust lava]

Purified Jam

[shadow knoll]

Ah i see

activates god mode for 10 s or smth?

Ye that's true, I guess they could nerf jam to be bad against Wyrm, but i mean I don't really see the point tbh, it's hard enough to kill it as is.

[shadow knoll]

same bruh

Very epic suggs

damn, a guy really implied OD is a duke fishron clone and now he's getting burnt alive

We really do live in a society

[frozen hollow]

Will my suggestion posted almost a year ago ever get looked at 😂 😂

[shadow knoll]

bruh

[frozen hollow]

ikr

I mean it's more funny than anything 😂 I looked back at this server after like half a year to see if that was implemented yet but guess not 😂

[shadow knoll]

i mean, they prolly didn't have enough time to implement it into the arsenal update plus the draedon update's been in development for the past half year as well, so who knows? maybe it'll be in draedon update?

not even just half year tbh

Like 9ish months at this point

[eternal escarp]

it already had the thumbs up

so the devs already saw it

it doesnt guarentee implementation

just means the devs like the idea iirc

its all explained in the pins anyways

[hollow shell]

aight @hazy goblet I won't doubt the technique anymore
But I will ask you to reword your suggestion's reason to explain the process more clearly. Punctuation would help, it's all run-ons atm. And you don't even mention Coldheart

And prolly clarify that it's an adult wyrm too

[eternal escarp]

you could also mension Cryogens aurora, which is quite different to the tints in other fights

[copper onyx]

done

completely forgot about that

[eternal escarp]

i think the sugg is fine

looks good from a rule standpoint methinks

[lunar sky]

Yeah that’s a really good suggestion, sounds rad

Like giving Prov or SCal embers or something, or giving DoG something like the pillar backgrounds

[violet dagger]

Well scal is getting a visual overhaul next update

But I could see something for the other bosses you mentioned

[lunar sky]

Mhm

[burnt bough]

@hazy goblet format ur suggestion with the title in bold and a line between title and sugg

[hazy goblet]

What is a bold

I dunnot speak english really well

[burnt bough]

this

just put 2 * on each side of the title, and then put an empty line between the title and the actual suggestion

[fading silo]

What if the Astral biome spawned in the sky?

[whole sedge]

The bold isn't needed.

[hazy goblet]

Did it

[burnt bough]

i think ur in the wrong chat

[fading silo]

Nah

This isn't just purely suggestion discussions. You can share ideas here too

[burnt bough]

no

you share ideas in #suggestions-posting

[zenith hazel]

you can share ideas here too

get some feedback before you post something in there

it can work either way

[frail mantle]

eah

[burnt bough]

or post in there, get feedback, and if it sucks delete

[zenith hazel]

that's why I said "it can work either way"

[fading silo]

Sports?

[frail mantle]

personally i like to post idea in here > get feedback > write first suggestion draft in #suggestions-posting > edit when necessary

[fading silo]

I usually ask before posting.

It helps.

[burnt bough]

any feedback on the sugg i posted thats basically an add on to the one above

[fading silo]

Kind of a don't

[midnight ice]

Wait are weps entirely no go for suggestion? I didn't understand entirely

[fading silo]

Ye

Well

Not necessarily

You can't ask for a new item

But you can ask for a change if you give proper reasons

[frail mantle]

if you mean suggesting an entirely new weapon with a specific function/name/recipe/whatever, that isn't allowed

but if it's something like "add x type of weapon because y" without going too deep into specifics outside of the reasoning, that's fine

[fading silo]

Really?

[burnt bough]

what about changes/retiers to existing weapons

[fading silo]

Does that mean I can suggest an acid rain event item without stats and stuff?

[frail mantle]

depends

if you go "add this weapon that does this" without specifying stats, then no

[fading silo]

But then if I say stats it's an SIS, right?

[frail mantle]

stats aren't needed for it to be SIS

[fading silo]

Then what makes it an SIS?

[midnight ice]

What if it's an existing weapon type but a new one at a different stage

[frail mantle]

just look up basically any of my suggestions and you'll see what counts as SIS

[fading silo]

ok

[frail mantle]

it's an SIS if it has a specific function, name, recipe or something like that

[burnt bough]

so "add a spear that drops from desert scourge called the scourge of the desert" isnt allowed, but "add rogue items in old ones army" is?

[fading silo]

So if I were to suggest an upgrade to an already existing weapon, would that be not ok even if it pertains to the previous item?

Bruh why this got to be so confusing?

[midnight ice]

To keep logs clear

[fading silo]

I know

[frail mantle]

so like
"Add a weapon named the Plantation Staff which summons a mini Plantera which shoots poisonous seeds and thorn balls and enrages when the user is at low health, becoming faster and charging at enemies instead of firing seeds"
is a SIS

[fading silo]

ok

[frail mantle]

if you suggest an upgrade to some weapon without specifying exactly what the upgrade should do/be named/how it's obtained, that's cool and good

[midnight ice]

What about a last prisim kinda weapon for post scal

[burnt bough]

yharims crystal

is such an ambiguous emote

[midnight ice]

Yeah but like a better one

That's fair nvm

[burnt bough]

any thoughts on my suggestion

[shadow knoll]

ye pretty good

Can't rly think of a reason not to add it other than "it could be kinda hard"

But that might be reason enough

[burnt bough]

i added an example

[crude geode]

Example is a bit specific, and this is a frequently suggested.

[fading silo]

Me?

or

[crude geode]

Flaming Noodle.

[fading silo]

Ah I got confused cause I just posted lmao

[burnt bough]

the example isnt the actual suggestion tho

[crude geode]

It’s still a part of the suggestion.

[fading silo]

Also you're violating a don't by basing it off of the one above it

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Are frequently suggested actually don’ts? The document is kinda vague about it, to be honest, implying they are.

[burnt bough]

is taking inspiration from another sugg a dont?

[fading silo]

Well....

As long as it doesn't mention it...i believe it's ok

[dapper coral]

as long as it doesn't directly reference the sugg, it's fine

which it doesn't

[burnt bough]

even tho i literally copied and pasted the final line?

[fading silo]

Might want to change it

Just to be safe

paraphrase or reword it?

[dapper coral]

...oh, yeah don't do that

sugg rules aside, it's usually not the greatest idea to copypaste someone else's words without permission and/or referencing who said it

[burnt bough]

...

but referencing it is a dont

ok i changed it

[fading silo]

I'm just going to say this. I feel like the suggestion before yours kind of already states what you're saying and that you are just adding, but I'm not in a position to tell you what is wrong.

Take it with a grain of salt

[burnt bough]

he says "custom backgrounds, screen overlays, shaders," which animations dont really fall under

[fading silo]

I know. I'm just saying that it looked like you were just adding imo. Don't take it to heart or anything.

[hollow shell]

You're not supposed to suggest stuff in the Frequently Suggested section, yes

[crude geode]

So they’re technically don’ts

[hollow shell]

Yeah, that's why they're in the Don'ts doc

[crude geode]

@burnt bough

[burnt bough]

?

oh rip

my suggestion that took 2 minutes to write

[hollow shell]

We do have death animations "planned" already

As in we've got it written down as something to do but we do not have it on any of our schedules

[burnt bough]

[crude geode]

Really just not a priority

[grim tusk]

If king slime wasnt the first boss i’d be ok with that

But like its supposed to be that easy

[ashen warren]

I see what you mean but none the less it should still be somewhat of a challenge and not completely unfair

[agile bolt]

Fixing cheese like king slime is a tough one, since it doesn't really need to be fixed since you can, you know, not cheese the boss

But i see the point still

[grim tusk]

Death mode at least he aint a joke anymore, and malice mode
:)

[ashen warren]

The thing is even when I'm not intentionally trying to do it still happens

[agile bolt]

I just kill king slime in my desert arena so i never have had that kind of a problem, you're fighting him in your main base or what?

[ashen warren]

I just fight them on the ground because I'm too lazy to build a platform, but to add on to what you said somebody shouldn't have to go out of their way to spawn a boss in a specific biome that isn't required for the summon just to avoid a cheese method that is easily achievable even when unintended

[agile bolt]

Ye i get that

For me it's just that cheesing is a bit hard thing to fix. Take for example nurse cheese, if you dont like it and dont want to use it, you can always decide not to do it.
But if the king slime cheese just happens naturally then yeah it can be a problem, since you cant do much to it

At least nurse cheese is a choice made by the player, the game cant force you into using it, so if you dont like nurse cheese you can just decide not to use it

[ashen warren]

Exactly

[crude geode]

@ashen warren

[ashen warren]

Ah thx

[agile bolt]

Rip :D

[ashen warren]

Rip

[agile bolt]

Wait, is it a rework? Is fixing a thing like that considered a rework? I mean, the fight would stay the same, but the cheese would be fixed

[ashen warren]

Yea

[agile bolt]

Rework is more like actually changing the boss fight

[crude geode]

King Slime is a joke of a boss anyways. As long as you move horizontally with boots, it can't do anything to you in most modes.

[ashen warren]

I guess I see what you mean but still

[crude geode]

There's more priority things than some cheese for the least difficult boss in the game (that takes like 2 minutes to kill max), that can be avoided fairly easily tbfh. It wouldn't be bad to remove the cheese, but most cheese you have to go out of your way to do.

[ashen warren]

What I'm trying to say is though is that this cheese method happens even when I'm not trying to

That's why I think it's a problem

[rugged belfry]

I didnt see the suggestion, but if it's referring to KS rope cheese, I think it's fine because the drops the King Slime gives you are extremely helpful for early game (a hook, a mount, decent armor, supply of gel, friendly slimes, etc.)

[muted osprey]

should I make a sugg about OOA armors reducing the summon damage reduction when holding a non summon weapon

[fossil finch]

That don't still contradicts itself and it lowkey makes me die

[ashen warren]

I deleted the suggestion but now it's back in suggestions

[rugged belfry]

Mm trapping
This tho

[earnest cape]

can yo provide an example

[crude geode]

a video would be helpful

[ashen warren]

Sadly I can't do that this week

But I can explain in words

[earnest cape]

a video would be much more helpful imo

but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ashen warren]

Yeah me too but I can't use my computer this week

An example though is you're fighting the King Slime near Your Spawn, you move over to a giant tree, the King Slime kills you but gets trapped on the tree, you respawn back at your house and the King Slime teleports to you as if nothing happened

[eternal escarp]

i mean if you cheese the boss thats just on you

[ashen warren]

What I'm saying is it happens unintentionally most of the time

That's what I'm trying to say

[eternal escarp]

ah

i see

the desc made me to think its something you think is done on purpose that should be fixed

[crude geode]

imply that more in your suggestion

[eternal escarp]

yeah

could make that point clearer

[ashen warren]

K

Will do

Okay I rewrote it

Makes the point a lot clearer now

[eternal escarp]

i assume unfair is towarded to the boss?

due to this "cheese"

[ashen warren]

Yup

I'll fix that to make that clear

[eternal escarp]

alright

[ashen warren]

Done

[eternal escarp]

yeah i think this is clearer then before

[muted osprey]

should I make a sugg about OOA armors reducing the summon damage reduction when holding a non summon weapon

[eternal escarp]

prolly wait for 1.5

since they already get changes there

[muted osprey]

good point

[still zodiac]

@warm scarab move speed will actually matter in the next update btw

[warm scarab]

the modifier or what

[still zodiac]

the stat

[cobalt pewter]

The movement speed cap will also be upped to 200% in 1.5

[earnest cape]

i thought it was common knowledge

[cobalt pewter]

Idk either

[earnest cape]

byeah movement speed will actually be a stat worth going for next update

[still zodiac]

and some debuffs will reduce move speed as well

[warm scarab]

#suggestions-voting message

[river glen]

king slime shouldnt be cheesed in rev+ right

since ruby

[earnest cape]

no they're talking about the boss itself

when you fight KS at spawn it can sometimes get stuck on blocks and get stuck there, letting you respawn and continue the boss fight is what they're saying

[eternal escarp]

yeah

which should be a fine sugg since its not actually cheese, its more of an issue with how the boss despawns iirc

[earnest cape]

tbh just
don't fight KS at spawn lmfao

[eternal escarp]

i mean

yeah

ig

[crude geode]

Slime Rain

[eternal escarp]

but sometimes its not on you yeah

[earnest cape]

pull him out

[clever dagger]

i mean king slime is really supposed to be a tutorial boss

"this is what a boss bar looks like"\

[eternal escarp]

yeah, it is

but this issue isnt something with the fight

[fading silo]

Yes. I’ve actually encountered this trick that the person is talking about.

[eternal escarp]

its just an issue with his despawn mechanic

[rugged belfry]

If you don't want KS to be cheese-able, just don't cheese him.

[fading silo]

Well it’s cause if he gets stuck. He can’t teleport cause there isn’t a player to teleport to

And he can’t jump out or go through blocks

[clever dagger]

i mean its better than half the bosses running 3/4 the way across the map to you after you die and respawn at base

[fading silo]

True

I actually like that this can happen

[clever dagger]

i dont but it is indeed funny

[fading silo]

It’s unintentional and I find it ok.

I’m talking bout king slime btw

Not the 3/4 map thing

I just like watching hive mind run all the way down when I die. It’s so weird.

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Is this suggestion fine ya think?

[hollow shell]

It's weird

Cuz you can't exactly fix unintentional cheese without fixing intentional cheese too

Maybe if the suggestion became a consistency argument
As it'd be the only boss that sticks around after respawns in singleplayer (hopefully the only one)
So it doesn't exactly do a good job at teaching you boss mechanics

[eternal escarp]

i am pretty sure it is the only one that does this

since most bosses either fly away, phase through blocks ect

KS is the only one who cannot just phase through blocks iirc

[ashen warren]

Yee

[grim tusk]

maybe have him teleport away once all players die

[ashen warren]

Yeah that was in the suggestion

[hot zephyr]

Flatten the terrain, so KS can't get stuck

[cobalt pewter]

smh

[distant vault]

so true!

[ashen warren]

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but if you aren't then you shouldn't have to flatten the landscape just to avoid a unintentional cheese method for a boss that's just bad game design

[safe oasis]

the "" clearly indicates sarcasm

[ashen warren]

Ah thx

You see I have a very serious case of not smart

[cobalt pewter]

Wait wtf my keybind sugg reachss 218 in no fucking time

How

[earnest cape]

we do not ask the way of suggestions

[sleek turret]

repost sugg

[pine star]

[limber ocean]

hax

[haughty owl]

question

is there a time limit of when a suggestion must reach 200 votes?

[cobalt pewter]

No

[haughty owl]

good

I thought it was a week

[cobalt pewter]

The limit is how willing any given person to search for the sugg and link it

Scrolling throughout the sea of suggs

[cobalt pewter]

A week is a repost cooldown

[haughty owl]

That made me think the old suggestion wasn't valid after a week

[eternal escarp]

although after about a week your sugg is likely to be far enough for most people to not see it anymore

[haughty owl]

k, guess my first ever suggestion passed then

just gotta wait I assume

tbh, I have no idea how some of this works

[cobalt pewter]

You can throw down a link I presume, if it's way deep down

The peeps forwarding suggs to dev might not be able to find way old suggs that got recently into the star req without scrolling, and scrolling, and scrolling....

[haughty owl]

it is 17 suggestions high

just counted

[cobalt pewter]

Ohhhh that one

The one I turned 200 with my god hands

In that case just wait for it to be delivered ye

[haughty owl]

well, here is the link
#suggestions-voting message

back to school

[cobalt pewter]

Seems a lil specific, but any general Arcane buffs can be good

Actually not exactly

But what's pretty sure is that the sugg lacks additional description

[crystal iron]

i pressed enter too early

meant to prwess shift + enter

[agile bolt]

lol

Ye, it's just the title with no explanation

[cobalt pewter]

Mmm

[crystal iron]

oh btw, just in case, whats the mana cap anyway

[cobalt pewter]

400 at base, each cal mana upgrades ups it by 50

[sand umbra]

550 w/ all three Calamity upgrades

[cobalt pewter]

The fastest replier in the West

[sand umbra]

nah, just the only one who's replyin' while I'm still half-asleep

[cobalt pewter]

lmao

Byeah

[sand umbra]

[cobalt pewter]

Up to 550 on cal

[crystal iron]

oh and last quiestion ,do the mana upgrades fill up the cap inrease so they can work, or do they increase your mana nad then the cap

[fading silo]

Do shift+enter to space it.

[crystal iron]

ye ik forgot the shift part tho

[cobalt pewter]

Only the cap is applied directly, not the additional mana (I think?)

[fading silo]

I did too one time

I got called out for it lol

It was funny tho

[pine star]

[crystal iron]

just realised this whole sugg is pointless anyway because menacing still neglects all potentially dps increasing modifiers

[polar cosmos]

is dragon ball terraria a good mod?

[crystal iron]

wrong chat i thionk yo should go to other mods talk fior that

[cobalt pewter]

Other modifiers are getting buffed in 1.5

[crystal iron]

oh, which ones

[cobalt pewter]

Defense (better +defense scaling)
Movement speed (stat rework)
Crit chance (reverted cal exclusive nerf + additional armor pen)

[crystal iron]

oh ye, ive heard about that

[eternal escarp]

stealth regen perfix too ig

since stealth is better

[cobalt pewter]

Forgot the crit chance ones

Well I guess stealth regen modifiers aren't really changed with 1.5

Despite stealth rework, regen-based stealth isn't really changing

The stealth rework changes more on the fact that you have less regen

[eternal escarp]

hm

fair

[cobalt pewter]

Movement speed stat rework is an indirect (or direct?) Buff to the modifiers because they become actually usable

Defense modifiers buff is likely to mitigate defense damage changes

And idk the reasoning for crit chance ones actually

I guess running Minishark + full Lucky early game would be even better, but idk

[crystal iron]

make menacing different for each class

menacing probably neglects any potential damage increasing modifier, you want arcane, get menacing, you want violent, get menacing(in some cases at least, thats the most prefferable choice), maybe lucky stands some chance against menacing, but even that becomes kind if uselss late game.

i think, if menacing was differnt for each class, it would make other modifiers good, and could make poeple explore difefrenmt playstyles even

for example, if maybe mage menacing got faster fire rate instead, or something like that poeple would have a choice between more mana, or faster fire rate, both increasing dps somewhat equally.

thatw ay ranger could get a modifier cuz iirc it doesnt have one
summon also doesnt have one iirc

this is smth i came up with on the spot, so the reaoing is a little wack for now

[ashen warren]

no Violent is good for true melee

and only for true melee

and spears iirc

[crystal iron]

ye, not many spears in teh game tho, and ye ig true melee, but that sub class is a little iffy right now, and violent would still exist, so maybe melee could keep menacing as it is but idk

[cobalt pewter]

Violent is a must pick for Broadswords (and other melee held projectiles in 1.5 ig as the modifier will behave like Menacing with them)

Also why not just buff Arcane?

At this point Arcane is the only unreasonable modifier that haven't been buffed in cal yet

[crystal iron]

ye, thats what i though while i was mking the sugg as well but deided to post it anyway

cuz it just popped into my mind so i jusut went through with it

[polar cosmos]

is there a mod that adds a lot of summoner things?

[cobalt pewter]

#other-mod-talk

[sand umbra]

every time someone calls true melee a subclass I die a little inside
I do feel like the better soluition here is to make Arcane not garbage seeing as every other modifier has been adjusted by now

[earnest cape]

[sand umbra]

the main thing about Arcane is that all it does is increase your max mana

which would be nice if not for two things:

1. everything ever increases max mana if you're a mage
   and
   b) max mana is hardcapped by the game itself at 400 (+50 for each Cal upgrade)

[cobalt pewter]

Options I could see would be:

1. Like the suggestion in posting, making Arcane also add max mana so that their effect ain't hindered by max mana.
2. Adding a secondary effect (like with defense modifiers and crit chance modifiers in 1.5), something like mana regen boost from Mana Regen Band

[clever dagger]

i mean, arcane is really just useless anyways

the way i see to fix arcane while keeping its supposed functionality is making it decrease mana usage by a good bit instead

[hot zephyr]

Sounds familiar

#suggestions-voting message

[earnest cape]

incredible

[cobalt pewter]

Nothing similar

[shadow knoll]

Yo, my suggs. jumped to like 140 in the span of like an hour and a half!

[grim tusk]

actually i wonder if making arcane give like 0.3 minion slots would work

at 7 arcane modifiers you'll have like 2 extra slots

the amount of fraction of minion slot could be changed with balance

like making it 0.25 or 0.35

or smth like that

and the drawback is pretty obvious, its a modifier, wont be as broken as current slot stacking since those also benefit from modifiers since they come from accs themselves

it would make the reforge more worthwile to use

and/or maybe making arcane also give mana use reduction would help with weapons that eat mana fast like prisms, gatling laser, ion blaster, etc

[cobalt pewter]

What.

[grim tusk]

it would make it more useful overall at the cost of having to run 3-5 accesories on arcane for the extra minion

[cobalt pewter]

Why does

The summoner thing

Wh

[hollow shell]

I always thought the obvious thing to append to Arcane would be reduced mana usage

[cobalt pewter]

Personally I'd like Arcane to be mage focused, but a modifier reserved for summoner could be nice, albeit I have zero clue what to give it

Fractions of minion slots might be iffy

[grim tusk]

nobody uses spider

(and in 1.4 they actually take a full slot rather than 3/4 slots)

[grim tusk]

i wanted to be different, since thats the most suggested idea

[cobalt pewter]

I already stated possible changes to Arcane beyond mana usage cut (which could easily work)

[cobalt pewter]

a

[grim tusk]

although the idea for a summoner modifier would be fun

[cobalt pewter]

I haven't understood the mana regen formula completely but Band of Mana Regen-like effect could def work for Arcane

Something that adds the bonus in here

[grim tusk]

mana regen formula is wack

[hollow shell]

Mana regen is also valid

[cobalt pewter]

Mhm

Not the potion buff because that shit is wack

[sleek turret]

arcane could increase the amount of mana that mana potions give by a % tbh

[hot zephyr]

Or perhaps add mana efficiency; where more arcane means your weapons are x% more mana efficient

So it'd scale throughout the game as mana costs rise, as well as be more effective on high-cost mana weapons

[hollow shell]

What does "efficiency" entail?

And how would it be different from the existing stat of mana cost reduction

[cobalt pewter]

Seems like ian's wording is really fancy

[hot zephyr]

That is what it'd be, basically

[sleek turret]

maybe something like it consumes mana more effectively instead of "oh wow, you have 20 mana and you can't do an attack now since the weapon uses 30 mana instead"

idk it can be anything else

many ideas can be made for making Arcane worth using

[clever dagger]

isnt this sugg a explicit dont

in multiple ways

[frail mantle]

which one

[hollow shell]

They deleted it instantly ig

[dapper coral]

they did

[clever dagger]

yeah they did lol

[dapper coral]

it was about adding an abyss boss

which would be against the don'ts

[clever dagger]

it was one to add an abyss boss with specific behavior and attacks

[frail mantle]

correct

[ashen warren]

@sleek turret I don't really see the point in this, since it only drops the abyss chest items post-skeletron anyway

[eternal escarp]

the point seems to be to still make the player go to the dungeon

like the chests want, but fishing can skip

[ashen warren]

I think fising is a fine trade-off for going into the dungeon

[eternal escarp]

fishing is way easier tbf

[ashen warren]

honestly nah

opinions n shit fishing is extremely boring and getting enough boxes to get what you want takes a long time

[eternal escarp]

thats fair ig

[ashen warren]

whereas ofc you'd only need one shadow key and get all the chests quite quickly

[eternal escarp]

although i personally dont mind fishing kekw

[sleek turret]

The main issue is that fishing is incredibly easy after Skeletron, you can just equip a fishing loadout simply and get easy crates by just using Enchanted Pearl and Crate Potion and fishing equipement, and thus are both easy to get, you just defeat DS a bunch of times and get potions and stuff, for Enchanted Pearl basically you go defeat evil boss 1 and go to Sunken Sea, and post-Skeletron you can just use Alchemy Station for making potions.
The second issue is that the drop rate from Abyssal Crates for weapons is about a 20% chance to get 1 of them, and for accessories and Ocean Spirit pet is 40%, these are high chances, and considering the above, its easier to get them. (this will eventually toned down on 1.5 I think)

[ashen warren]

is getting a shadow key really that hard

[sleek turret]

It can be troublesome to get into the dungeon and explore it.

Even though you can craft it, you'll be alredy for an exploration in the dungeon due to the fact you'll have to search a Golden Key.

[ashen warren]

Don't you get a free golden key at the beginning of the dungeon

kek

[sleek turret]

Rarely.

Its not a guaranted 100% that a random surface chest can appear at the entrance of the dungeon.

[fossil finch]

you still needa bones

[sleek turret]

Exactly.

[clever canopy]

Thinking about making a suggestion about reworking some rogue accessories to be omniclass accessories rather than rogue-only. It seems that there are a lot more accessories for rogue than there are for other classes, and reworking some of these might help give the other classes more options too. Is this something that other people see as a useful change?

[hollow shell]

Well the reason for that is
Rogue is Calamity's own class, it doesn't have any content from vanilla to support it

[clever canopy]

Even if you include the vanilla accessories for other classes, rogue is still far ahead

[hollow shell]

🤔

[clever canopy]

Might add up the accessories for each class so I can add that to the suggestion, or maybe just pre-hm cause it's less work

[hollow shell]

It would be preferable to do both PreHM and HM
Heck even PostML too
Focusing on just one stage might be misleading

[clever canopy]

I mean I know you're right it's just more effort lol

I'll see how busy I am tomorrow, might have time to do it

[hollow shell]

Alright then

To get a rough idea:
Vanilla

Calamity

[sand umbra]

(for the purpose of this prompt, does the Yo-Yo Bag tree count as a set of melee accessories)

[hollow shell]

(probably)

(Their effects do pertain only to the melee class)

[shadow knoll]

Suggesting a yoyo bag upgrade has prolly been done right?

like to the point where it's banned

[craggy kernel]

probably

[shadow knoll]

Is there like an actual reason behind no yoyo bag upgrade? like IK it's been suggested but like I'd just like to know why

It's one of the things I expected to have an upgrade tree for tbh

that and celestial shell

[dapper coral]

iirc because yoyo bag is busted as it is, it doesn't need more upgrades
and yes i'm almost positive it's on the don'ts list for this reason

[shadow knoll]

Have you ever considered spacing out the upgrades?

So it's not just available at beginning of hardmode.

[safe oasis]

that’s kind of a given

[hollow shell]

I mean yeah we could do that

Edit Yoyo Bag's recipe to include some later HM mat

[pine star]

iirc the Yoyo Bag don't is because it falls under "sub class"

[hollow shell]

No that's not it LX

The no subclass rule only pertains to people trying to do subclass-only challenge playthroughs

[safe oasis]

yeah but how would that solve the whole “yoyo bag upgrade” thing is what i’m confused about

[hollow shell]

It wouldn't, it'd be a separate suggestion :P

[safe oasis]

[pine star]

oh

sorry

[safe oasis]

it was in reply to this though

[haughty owl]

@hollow shell my suggestion hit 200 votes
#suggestions-voting message

I'm assuming I was supposed to tell you that a while ago

But better late than never

[hollow shell]

Oh god Discord changed the way reactions look

Oh no
Anyway

yeah I'll deliver that

[haughty owl]

K, thanks

[grim tusk]

The only yoyo bag upgrade that could work that i could think of is prob a yoyo bag which does the same thing but grants a small defensive bonus (cuz offensively we know its overpowered)

[zenith hazel]

bot's down, notified amber

[shadow knoll]

So if I made suggs abt spacing out YoYo bag materials so it's not an instant acc. at beginning of hm, would it be problematic?

Cus I kinda wanna

[grim tusk]

Yea maybe locking bag post 1-2 mechs

[fossil finch]

Won't do much to balance but insta upgrades funny

[hollow shell]

It would be a fine sugg yeah
For Yoyo Bag to get some additional material after the tier of Yoyo Glove

[river glen]

Hmm

i thought about arcane

not being shit

what about it giving mana usage reduction

as well

may not be as useful

but its better than "20 mana that u may not even need since ur hitting the cap"

[earnest cape]

yah its been mentioned a million times already

[river glen]

i guess no reason to post it

[earnest cape]

shrug

[river glen]

just through aboout making it reduce mana usage

since i doubt it was suggested

but if the devs know what to do

oh well

[sand umbra]

the problem with even just moving Bag is that once you get Glove even without the rest of the mats you're never going to ditch Glove

because Glove alone is a straight 100% increase to your DPS with any yo-yo worth its salt

[cobalt pewter]

Yes

I think I had a sugg to rebalance Yoyo Glove effect and yoyos on HM onwards so they don't rely on Glove as much

[still zodiac]

minion knockback reforge when

[cobalt pewter]

bad stat, doesn't work on bosses

unless

[tranquil perch]

@half wadi
tf

Hote is most certainly not "far surpassed"

The elementals account for a big part of the benefits, so if you use the acc with it turned off you cant really call it bad

[fair radish]

Because Waifu’s :D

[tranquil perch]

Its bad when the elementals are turned off

[fair radish]

Who wouldn’t want it buffed

[tranquil perch]

h

[fair radish]

HoTE has the waifus

We like the waifus

Also yeah the stat boosts are next to useless

[tranquil perch]

They're not useless

but they're just not the best

[fair radish]

Without the elementals I meant

They barely do anything

[tranquil perch]

"barely do anything"

[frail mantle]

the stat boosts get bigger when you turn the elementals off doe

[fair radish]

It’s like

[tranquil perch]

as a non summoner they give you like +3k dps and god tier healing from rare sand

[tranquil perch]

Not worth it tho

[fair radish]

+5 health, +.5hp/s

[rose latch]

the waifus are the point of the accessory

[fair radish]

The stat boosts are very minor

[rose latch]

idk what else you would use it for

[fair radish]

Make the waifus better

More damage

[tranquil perch]

Getting an advantage against a fight

[fair radish]

More Waifu

[tranquil perch]

"waifu" is not a valid reason

[fair radish]

Yes it is

[rose latch]

there are other accessories for that

it doesn't need a buff

[fair radish]

But waifu accessory

[rose latch]

as the main focus of the accessory isn't buffing every stat

[fair radish]

Make the waifus stronger for waifus

[tranquil perch]

bruh

Did you really just say that

[rose latch]

the main focus is waifus

[eternal escarp]

HoTE with elementals is basically a summoner accesory
HoTE without it is a filler accesory

in both ways its not exactly the best

[fair radish]

It literally buffs every stat lmfao

[cobalt pewter]

Either way we can agree HotE's materials are fucky

[rose latch]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

[eternal escarp]

buffing all stats with low numbers < buffing 1 or 2 with actual benefits

[tranquil perch]

Except that the elementals still give you a solid dps increase even if you're not summoner + god tier healing

[eternal escarp]

HoTE as a whole is just a meh accesory and people only use it because they are wierd and like the booba

[rose latch]

but an accessory doesn't really have to be two accessories at once

[tranquil perch]

You are just

wrong

[eternal escarp]

The elementals deal summon damage iirc
so without being a summoner its most of the time a waste of an accesory

[cobalt pewter]

Lemme introduce you to literally every single post dog accs

[fair radish]

No, we are cultured

[eternal escarp]

whatever you say

[tranquil perch]

Again, even if you're not summoner, you still get a significant dps increase from it

[still zodiac]

Its still is just, boring and uniteresting

[eternal escarp]

HoTE is meh for most classes, since its generally worse then class specific accesories and other all class accesories

its not shit

its just generally worse then what most classes can get, atleast from my memory

[still zodiac]

Honestly the amount of time you spend grinding for it is just not worth it

[eternal escarp]

^ that too

[still zodiac]

And no, don't even bring up alchemist npc in here

I'll strangle you for that

[eternal escarp]

any outside mod doesnt count for "it makes it easier"

[still zodiac]

Yeah

[eternal escarp]

since they arent taken into consideration

you could argue, "armageddon"
thats removed next update so

[still zodiac]

Not everything has to have a Mod to fix it

[fair radish]

I like how y’all are actual Calamity players and I’m just the guy that can’t play it

[eternal escarp]

overall HoTE is really just
meh

[fair radish]

Ye

[rose latch]

yeah I guess

[eternal escarp]

as a whole i personally think it should stop trying to do everything, and focus on something and do it good instead

[fair radish]

But you get the waifus, so it’s cool

[still zodiac]

Profaned soul artifact is cheaper and is relatively easier to get

[eternal escarp]

no one cares about the waifus, grow up

[still zodiac]

And holds up pretty well

[rose latch]

this is what I was trying to say

[eternal escarp]

the wafoo joke got old already

[fair radish]

A. I do, which means someone cares
B. I’m extremely lonely and can’t shake the feeling I’ll be like this forever

[still zodiac]

It was long gone since after HotE got renamed

[crude geode]

That’s why it was removed. Wasn’t serious and was a joke.

[cobalt pewter]

Reducing HotE focus and making the AI of elementals more interesting would be nice

[still zodiac]

Yeah making it more unique would be great

[eternal escarp]

what do you mean ?

am i missing something?

[still zodiac]

Hote used to be called heart of the waifus

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah

[still zodiac]

Waifu in a bottle

Rare variant

[eternal escarp]

then yes, what cursed said

[still zodiac]

Yeah

[eternal escarp]

anyways

[eternal escarp]

this would be nice too tbf

generally the stones could be their own thing and elementals could be their own thing

[still zodiac]

Hote gets brought up quite often here and for a good reason

[rose latch]

I think it shouldn't really have the toggle off and have increased stats

and just do a specific thing

but do it well

[crude geode]

I honest to god think the stat part of it should be removed

[rose latch]

yes

[still zodiac]

HotE is just, not unique at all

[still zodiac]

Definitely

Make every stone do something unique instead of a silly stat stick

Bloom stone is the most unique of them

Maybe make cryo stone rain icicles when you hit an enemy or smth

[eternal escarp]

i legit just think it should either be a class accesory or just do whatever it tried to do the most good and disregard the rest

[crude geode]

I feel like the stones should just straight up be removed, even tho I know it’s unlikely to happen

[eternal escarp]

the stones are as a whole just

[cobalt pewter]

There's something I had for HotE rework (open original because Discord will definitely fuck this up)

[eternal escarp]

materials

they are niche ig

[crude geode]

All of the bosses connected to a stone have reason to be fought on their own, so adding the stones is just bloat really.

[eternal escarp]

but the stones could really just get turned into a normal mat (which is still not really a fix), get reworked to actually matter outisde of HoTE or legit be removed like you said

[eternal escarp]

the average player would argue about PBG

[cobalt pewter]

Byeah, there needs to be WAY less focus on HotE stats

[still zodiac]

Oh yeah, forgot you made this

[cobalt pewter]

I forgot to include HotE itself but hhhhhh

Yeah this was mostly focused on the materials

[crude geode]

PBG has the armor set, as well as a ton of ranged weapons.

[cobalt pewter]

Which was my biggest issue with the acc

[crude geode]

Summoner + Ranged get a lot out of it

[still zodiac]

Mage gets the funny gun

From Draedon arsenal

[eternal escarp]

yeah, the joke was how i see so many people just skip it because "you dont get anything"

[cobalt pewter]

Bloom Stone and PBG is definitely the most out-of-place Stone placement

Since the two are like day and night

One is bloom, the other is essentially decay

[still zodiac]

Yeah pbg drops it because back then it used to unlock uelibloom

[cobalt pewter]

I'd probably move Bloom Stone to Plant instead

[still zodiac]

Its mostly there as a relic from old times

[still zodiac]

Yeah, would make sense

[fading silo]

Agreed

Also the stones should be a guaranteed drop in death. Cause farming for the stones is annoying

For some reason I always get cryogen’s stone first try

[earnest cape]

lucky is already getting armor pen next update.

how much I don't remember but lucky modifiers are getting armor pen

[eternal escarp]

and the nerf is getting undone i think?

[earnest cape]

ye

[cobalt pewter]

Precise and Lucky are coming back to 2% / 4% crit chance ye

And both Precise and Lucky will gain 1 extra armor pen

And you know what that means, early game Minishark + Full Lucky build + STN is gonna be nutty

[crude geode]

@warm scarab

[sleek turret]

its alredy even more using Unstable Prism

[cobalt pewter]

Ah yes

Prism funny

[sleek turret]

the funny crit chance accessory

its incredibly powerful for certain bosses and lasts longer than luxor's gift somehow

and I also agree that arcane should have something good

such as for example mana cost reduction or idk many ideas can be made for it

[cobalt pewter]

At this point all other acc modifiers in 1.5 are getting buffed

Aside from stealth regen (they're fine) and damage

And Arcane

[warm scarab]

imma yeet the lucky part i guess :hdflr:

[pine star]

sad Arcane noises

[warm scarab]

p90

even if p90 won't shoot 2 bullets at a time anymore

terra bullets still exist

[pine star]

:fear:

[sleek turret]

Would be considered a balance suggestion to make Mana Flower to have some effect to make it more worth than just being completly negated by mana regen potions and just being a material to Ethereal Talisman? (and also that includes just being literally being used on Prism-type weapons most of the part)

[frozen hornet]

Are summoner weapon prefixes planned?

[river glen]

WHy not just make arcane give mana reduction

it will certainly help with not running out of mana in 2 seconds

and plus ur gonna be hitting the mana cap anyways

[sleek turret]

maybe it could increase the amount of mana that mana potions give

[river glen]

isnt that to complicated

plus that is only gonna be useful with mana flower

[tranquil perch]

^

also make arcane increase the mana cap probably that would solve it

and the increased max mana should be doubled i think

Actually the mana cap should just be removed

why does it exist

[sleek turret]

casual popular "wizard" type of characters on games

basically a popular idea on videogames "oh wow, mages use mana for attacking powerful attacks so for balancing we put a cap on it"

[cobalt pewter]

Mana regen is directly affected by max mana ig

[sleek turret]

yeah that

[still zodiac]

ah yes, minmaxing max mana

definitely what a normal player would do

[river glen]

i would think of that sometimes

when i do mana regen runs

without mana flower and using a better accssory

[still zodiac]

although ion blaster exists, maybe that's why terraria added the mana cap

[sleek turret]

maybe that

[river glen]

red predicted the future

[tranquil perch]

softcap Ion Blaster

[still zodiac]

so tru

[river glen]

ion blaster got nerfed in 1.5

[rugged belfry]

Good

[grim tusk]

@warm scarab its advised to not do suggs too similar to the most recent ones in #suggestions-voting