suggestions-discussion

[earnest cape]

terraria's netcode iirc is just a massive mess they suffer too much

[whole kraken]

damn

well if they ever decide to go the extra mile I'll be super grateful

[earnest cape]

take it with a grain of salt since im taking this from the top of my head

a massive grain of salt

[whole kraken]

I'm confused what exactly makes multiplayer a mess to work with though since ik of some mods where it is done pretty well. Are calam bosses just designed differently?

or do those mods just cope

[frail mantle]

afaik it's just part of the result of Red not being very experienced at coding when he initially made the game and the vanilla devs never going back over everything later on to clean it up

[whole kraken]

makes sense. I should probably take a look at the code myself when I get more experience and background knowledge

[haughty owl]

Imo, as buggy as multiplayer is, I still find it fun

[whole kraken]

yes, it is fun

[frail mantle]

yea it can still be fun, obviously

[haughty owl]

But yes, it does have its problems

[frail mantle]

just not for mod devs trying to make the game not shit itself when you try to use Flamsteed ring in MP

[haughty owl]

And is hard to work with

[whole kraken]

I actually like it more than thorium multiplayer despite thorium catering more to mp

the bullethell bosses work quite well

all I really want is an aggro indicator like mentioned above since that'd be amazing for preventing off-screens

[haughty owl]

Also that one drop Leviathan drop I think that causes a game crash in mp

Pretty sure Fabsol talked about it in a channel somewhere a few months ago and them removed it from mp. I can't remember it's name

[frail mantle]

aquatic emblem

[earnest cape]

™️

[haughty owl]

That's the one

Funniest part is that I witnessed the crash in vc

It was hilarious

[fading silo]

@haughty owl Well you can check off melee cause melee is the tank and will be the one that is most likely targeted. Might want to keep that in mind.

This is my question: Is it possible to request a underworld height increase?

Cause I hate how low the ceiling of the underworld is.

[earnest cape]

the aggro mechanic iirc is bad

the thingy from flesh knuckles etc

[fading silo]

Ye. But I played melee and during Old One’s army Betsy targeted me only and my friend was ranger.

So

[earnest cape]

melee=/=immediately gets all aggro

[fading silo]

All hardmode melee armors give aggro.....I think

[candid grove]

also ranger is less aggro im p sure

[earnest cape]

pretty sure only turtle beetle and solar gives them

for melee

[frail mantle]

not too sure if that's possible without creating as many problems as were caused back when Calamity increased the height of the world

[fading silo]

Yes, but even when I was running away. I was still targeted by Betsy.

So that’s an issue in the person’s request

[crude geode]

Aggro with certain bosses is wack.

[fading silo]

They need to consider that melee is most likely going to be targeted

It’s how it has always been

[crude geode]

Not necessarily

Some bosses aggressively lock onto one person until they’re dead, from my experience, such as Yharon and Duke Fishron.

[fading silo]

Well...I’ve been on switch for a majority of my terraria playtime. Recently started computer. So idk what the difference is......

[candid grove]

duke is wtf

[fading silo]

Maybe I’m stupid idk

[candid grove]

as ranger with my friend as melee i got targeted only bcs i summoned the boss

whole fight

[fading silo]

Bruh

Betsy isn’t really summoned by anyone....so that can also be a factor.

I guess there are a lot of things to consider. Like distance, who summoned the boss, armor aggro, flesh knuckles, etc.

Also I forgot if 1.4 changed the underworld gen?

I remember 1.4 made the world gen kind of wack

Little to no sword shrines bro

[crude geode]

Regardless, an indicator would be extremely helpful, especially for something like Supreme Calamitas which can change right before a dash, almost guaranteeing a hit due to the speed.

[fading silo]

I can agree.

But I’ve never played modded multiplayer, cause none of my friends have computers.

Also an indicator can lead to some issues as the boss might be constantly switching between the two or three or four.

There might be a way around it tho

[candid grove]

But I’ve never played modded multiplayer, cause~~ none of my friends have computers.~~

[fading silo]

[candid grove]

[fading silo]

I would play with the people here, but yah know....we all strangers to each other......I think.

[haughty owl]

Late reply but anyways I guess I see your point. Either way, it's still not a bad thing to have because it's not like the boss will only target the melee user the whole fight. Surely it would change its target, just less frequently

[fading silo]

Mhm

[haughty owl]

Also, the hell change seems like a good idea

I always use dynamite on the ceiling

[agile bolt]

The suggestion about a boss target indicator is good, but i mean, it is quite obvious who the boss is targeting, you can even juggle the boss targeting at your will with your friend

Once you know how the boss aggro targeting works it isn't a problem anymore, you just kinda learn how it works as you go on about playing

[violet sierra]

Me and my friends put 70 hours into a playthrough and we only understood a few bosses, like how Yharon wont change target until his target dies

[agile bolt]

Ye, Yharon is an odd guy in the group, i think that he switched targets if the other guy like recalls far enough away, but not 100% sure, he just hard focuses his target until it dies

[violet sierra]

its becuase duke does the same thing

and Yharon is based in duke ai

[candid grove]

big dragon is the same as funy fish

[frail mantle]

big dragon is the same as funy fish if you overlook everything about big dragon that makes him unique

[violet sierra]

I wasnt saying hes the same, im just saying thats probably why they have the same targeting quirk

[hollow shell]

Ranger already has 3 Exo weapons

[cobalt pewter]

@pine kernel insufficient reasoning

[hollow shell]

And four post-Yharon non-Exo weapons

[cobalt pewter]

"why not" is not good enough

[ashen warren]

elemental lance doesn't have an exo upgrade lol

[hollow shell]

(Ele Lance also goes into a Darksun wep rather than an Exo wep)

Yeah

The suggestion does have something to it

Ele Blaster is indeed the odd one out, having no upgrades at all

[pine kernel]

i mean giving it an exo upgrade probably wasnt the best idea but i think there should be an upgrade for it

[cobalt pewter]

Not as much as melee tho

[hollow shell]

You can make that a suggestion yeah

Giving it any upgrade

[pine kernel]

i will

[hollow shell]

cuz then you don't gotta worry about overcrowding tiers

[cobalt pewter]

Mhm

[pine kernel]

in 2:02 minutes

[hollow shell]

oki

[cobalt pewter]

If we're going off crafting advancements within Elemental weapons, indeed Blaster is the only odd one out

[rugged belfry]

I predict that somebody is going to ❗ it for lack of detail, but I like the idea. Elemental Blaster needs an upgrade

[hollow shell]

Yeah this reason is still really bare

"It'd be cool"

[zenith hazel]

bot’s down, notified amber

ok it's back

[hazy crow]

would it be weird to suggest swapping the crystyl crushers mouse 1 and mouse 2? for me, I would rather use its normal pickaxe mode most of the time, so as to not accidentally obliterate chunks of my world wile trying to mine just a few tiles. I also find myself building a second blossom pickaxe to have this effect, as well as for using veinminer more consistently, as it doesnt really work with the crusher

[dapper coral]

check the don'ts

it is physically impossible

due to limitations in the game code

[hazy crow]

my bad, reading now. that makes sense, btw, just something that bugs me pretty often so I thought I'd ask about it

[clever dagger]

well thanks for not suggesting it first then acting self righteous about it like most people do lol

[cobalt pewter]

I think I suggested something along the lines of making the right click toggle between pick and beam as its left click instead of just swapping buttons

But it never got anywhere I think

[hazy crow]

damn. two pickaxes it is then! thanks for the feedback

oh, that exact suggestion is listed as a no 🤡 jeez

[cobalt pewter]

Basically anything to make the beam go into Crystyl Crusher's right click will always be a no

If the right click isn't directly used for the beam in a sugg, it's fine

[clever dagger]

redcode

[lunar sky]

Idea: give meld stuff a block, like how there are blocks for the fragments

[hollow shell]

That'd be a fine suggestion

Would probably look quite cool

[lunar sky]

Yeah

Dafuq why did it send twice

Anyway I imagine that it would be kinda Geiger esq

[fading silo]

Interesting idea.....tho I think they are constructs....I believe they used to be meld bars....

Oh wait

Nvm

[grim tusk]

maybe expand on "it'd be cool" for reasoning otherwise yea meld blocks ftw

[lunar sky]

Yeah

[river glen]

what about a buff to both Effigy to reduce the penelty from 20% -> 15/10%

since they give to much of a drawback to considered to be used

[grim tusk]

#changelogs message

[river glen]

didnt see

nvm

[grim tusk]

iirc didnt a sugg like that got rejected about a month ago?

[ashen warren]

Idk

Its good tho

Because like half of the bosses you fight are at spawn

[grim tusk]

also vague/no reasoning

[whole sedge]

Kind of lacks any reasoning to me though

[fading silo]

Needs more explaining.

I mean you fight moon lord on the ground. Also there’s not a lot of space when you consider other structures from other mods and the world gen also the blocks needed to build these structures.

[ashen warren]

Well like if some bosses had its own mini structure it makes the boss feel like it's not a random boss it's hard to explain

[fading silo]

Basically you want a building that represents a boss, right?

[ashen warren]

Not every boss but some

[fading silo]

You need to give a stronger reason as to why you think this should be in the game

[ashen warren]

Cryogen for example

[fading silo]

You just list some examples with no explanation

[ashen warren]

Random ice boss

[fading silo]

Ok. But you fight him in the ice biome?

[ashen warren]

Yes however it can be kmproved

[zenith hazel]

yeah the suggestion barely has any reasoning

[ashen warren]

You could fight him in an ice temple

[zenith hazel]

not to mention no clarification of whatever an "ice area" is

[ashen warren]

Your not understanding

[fossil finch]

cryo ruins

cryo IS the ruins

[fading silo]

Ye

It’s a literal prison

[fossil finch]

or the "ice area"

[fading silo]

Cryogen is the prison

[fossil finch]

it's a castle made into a prison byeah

also uh

yeah this has

0 reasoning

and

well we all got the point

[zenith hazel]

what is there to understand, is the question

[ashen warren]

Why do I even try

[fossil finch]

also u

j

[fading silo]

I can understand as to why you want this.

[fossil finch]

you'd want to fix the typos

[zenith hazel]

unless you give proper reasoning, that is not going into voting

[fading silo]

You want to spice up bosses by making them interesting or give them more than just spawn and fight, right?

[zenith hazel]

give reasons why these are necessary aside from "it'll be interesting"

[fossil finch]

"Ravanger" and "Abanded"

[fading silo]

They might have trouble with English.

Or just confusion. I mean I sometimes forget how to spell

[ashen warren]

French is my main language actually

It's also hard to type on this small ass phone

[fading silo]

Heh

[lunar sky]

Hamburger, as much as I would absolutely fucking love that, it sounds improbable

[fading silo]

I can relate with the phone thing

[lunar sky]

Ravager ruins sounds really cool

[fading silo]

I definitely agree.

[fossil finch]

i can only agree with the dungeon thing

[fading silo]

But needs more explanation/reasoning

[ashen warren]

Ok I'ma gonna rewrite this on a pc

[lunar sky]

Definitely

[fossil finch]

cryogen is the structure and ravager has nothing structural related to it at all

[lunar sky]

Best of luck. You definitely have my vote if it works out.

[lunar sky]

Ravager had to be built/born somewhere, no?

[fading silo]

Ye

It was an amalgamation of sorts

It was meant to be a murder weapon

[lunar sky]

Doesn’t Cryogen just like chill out in the snow before we awaken it

[fading silo]

No

Cryogen is just the prison for the archmage

[lunar sky]

Oh

[fossil finch]

it's some mindless ice construct that moves fast

also uh

[crude geode]

It was originally his castle

[fading silo]

Oh

[lunar sky]

I mean like isn’t it dormant before we summon it

[fossil finch]

ravager was made as a last ditch attempt purely out of corpses

no it isn't

according to draedon's log, it isn't

[lunar sky]

Never mind then

[fossil finch]

we don't even summon it

[fading silo]

Not really. Cause you can only summon it unless you’re in death mode

[lunar sky]

I haven’t read the logs in a while

So

[fading silo]

Me too

[fossil finch]

i don't think they've got anywhere to make him

if not in the middle of a fucking warzone

[fading silo]

Lol.

[lunar sky]

I could’ve sworn that in the jungle log there was something about PBG having stuff made of a Chlorophyte-Titanium alloy but I can’t find anything about it for the life of me

[fading silo]

I just imagine a war zone in the world

[lunar sky]

Yeah, that’s totally a smart idea.

[fossil finch]

it'd be, odd, tho

[fading silo]

PBG is something....I forgot what it actually is. I do know that Astrum Aureus is an infected cyborg...I think we all know that.

I know it’s a bug

[lunar sky]

I meant like the weird plating on it

The black metal

[fading silo]

Oh ye

That stuff

Idk

[lunar sky]

It’s a mechanized infected queen bee

[whole sedge]

Really more structures would certainly be interesting but for a lot of the bosses it doesn't really feel like it'd fit or make sense to me

[fossil finch]

war zones don't stay like that for decades
granted there'd be some weapons laying around and pieces of armors and all that
but there'd be nothing to explore

[lunar sky]

Draedon beenapped one and then turned it into a robot

[fossil finch]

yeah tying structures to bosses like that's not

uh

smart

[fading silo]

Also there are other mods that have structures pre-hardmode, hardmode, and post-ml.

The issue is the world gen and fitting it all in

[lunar sky]

Yeah that’s my problem with it

[fading silo]

And actually taking the time to build these structures

[lunar sky]

Just sounds annoying to code/develop

[fading silo]

Mhm

[whole sedge]

Indeed, we likely shouldn't assume that there'd be much due to Calamity not being made with other content mods in mind obviously but still something to be weary about. The most I could see is kind of smaller lore based structures being added.

[fading silo]

I think just a shrine or something would be fine.

A small shrine...like the jungle ones

[lunar sky]

Especially without CalVal, you can’t have a Ravager ruin without necrostone

[lunar sky]

Yeah I think they meant just tiny lore ruins, not tied to any bosses or anything. Just a cool little set piece to find while exploring.

[fading silo]

The shrines should be like the jungle ones and have chests in the shrines and they contain a boss summon. Ex: Cryo key

[lunar sky]

Definitely

[rugged belfry]

mm

[lunar sky]

Or a death whistle for ravager

Maybe like lihzared or calamitous stuff as well

[fossil finch]

eh.....

if you're making an structure with the sole point of a summoning item being found in it save your time and code and don't do that or do it better lmao

don't get to overboard anyways

offtopic

[lunar sky]

Yeah

Fair point

[fading silo]

The hardmode world text would be something like Old and forgot shrines rise from the ground.

Breath of the wild style lmao

[lunar sky]

Like I said, I think it’s a perfectly fine suggestion to just have little structures that just add worldbuilding

Story and worldbuilding is really important for me, so I’m down for this whole deal as long as it’s within reason

[fading silo]

I think the main issues are: time and coding, other mod structures, world gen, and reasoning.

[lunar sky]

Yep

I think MoR is doing something like this, they’re adding a big thorn bush that has a heart of thorns in it when the next update comes out

[fading silo]

I would love to see it happen, but it most likely won’t due to the tedious side of it.

[whole sedge]

likely shouldn't get into specifics to not set yourself up for disappointment if this does somehow pass and devs do implement it

[lunar sky]

I was picturing something like that but more evil for Ravager ruins

[fading silo]

Bro. I hope that update comes soon cause I can’t play MoR with the current tmodloader for some reason

I think I need to update it

[lunar sky]

Eh, if they add anything like this I’d probably be happy with it.

[lunar sky]

Probably

[fading silo]

I remember when I suggested a dungeon prison for polter and it got through to the devs lol.

I was shocked tbh

[lunar sky]

Wait what

[fading silo]

Don’t worry about it

[lunar sky]

They should add that when Polter gets a resprite if they approved it

[fading silo]

It’s approved, but that doesn’t mean it’s being implemented.

[lunar sky]

I always liked the idea of having like inner chambers of the dungeon that have something like that even though that’s not happening

[fading silo]

Yep.

[lunar sky]

I’m doing it in my cal comic tho because I like the idea

Plantera, Keeper of Keys over here

[fading silo]

Also my reasoning was arena building, which is sad now that I think about it.

[lunar sky]

Yeah I guess

At the end of the dungeon is just a big ol chamber

That would be neat

[fading silo]

It’s cause the layout of the dungeon isn’t big enough.

[rugged belfry]

@raw swallow This may not be satisfactory enough, but you can increase bosses HP in the settings iirc

[clever dagger]

im pretty sure fab said they werent even gonna try to balance mp

[zenith hazel]

there's also little to no reasoning for this

it's also subjective

[whole sedge]

Yeah multiplayer likely won't be touched, you can use BetterMultiplayer to change difficulty for multiplayer too

[lunar sky]

Yep

[clever dagger]

well multiplayer scaling is way too easy i do agree

[fading silo]

iirc fab also said that he was thinking bout making a circle in the dungeon for polter lol.

[clever dagger]

but yeah if you personally want it to change, up boss hp in calamity config and get a no boss respawn mod

[zenith hazel]

they should at least elaborate on why and how the bosses are easy instead of saying "oh they're easy in mp"

[lunar sky]

Sounds neat

[fading silo]

Make the game more difficult. looks at providence’s hp

[lunar sky]

a lot of bosses in the game are tanky motherfuckers

[fading silo]

I think they’re fixing that in the next update

[lunar sky]

They are

[fading silo]

Good

[clever dagger]

multiplayer scaling isnt porportional, the more players the less each one has to do

[fading silo]

Multiplayer in general is just wack

[lunar sky]

Yeah

[clever dagger]

also, multiplayer in general is far easier cause bosses can only target 1 player

[zenith hazel]

then shouldn't that problem also extend to vanilla mp?

[clever dagger]

it does tho

[zenith hazel]

how is this exactly a calamity problem?

[clever dagger]

its not

[lunar sky]

Me and my friends tried to do a multiplayer death mode run one time

I quit after ML

[clever dagger]

but what he's saying is calamity, maybe in higher difficulties, can try to help it

[fading silo]

What are we talking bout again? Sorry the convo just jumped.

[lunar sky]

Just wasn’t very fun

[lunar sky]

BitBeans

[rugged belfry]

That's true; if you want to have multiplayer be harder, don't rely on Calamity to do it, since Calamity isn't the problem, it's the advantage of having extra lives and twice the damage.

[clever dagger]

^

[zenith hazel]

mhm

[lunar sky]

Ye

[fading silo]

If you want a challenge then do Fargo eternity mode

[rugged belfry]

I've found 2 player is always easier since it's the only way that I play games.

[fading silo]

I’ve always played solo....

[clever dagger]

ive never really found someone with the same amount of free time lmao

im very good at procrastination

[lunar sky]

I prefer to play alone as well

[rugged belfry]

I'm usually the one to not play as much because I can never dedicate myself to the same thing consistently, I'll play Terraria or Minecraft for 5 weeks straight, and then not play it again for 3 months. Although I'm pretty sure everyone does that lol

Except my friend

[lunar sky]

Sharing all my stuff in-game is wack

I’m kidding

[fading silo]

Solo is easier cause you can play your way. Also you don’t have to yell or complain to your buddy that has never played the game before or something.

[whole sedge]

this also looks to be getting really offtopic so uh maybe should move ton ot get yelled at as it's becoming less of this suggestion and more of just multiplayer in general

[fading silo]

Ok

[lunar sky]

Hamburger is taking his sweet time, this should be good

Anyway imma go now

[fading silo]

Basically don’t rely on Cal to fix multiplayer

That’s pretty much what we were trying to say.

[lunar sky]

Yep

Ping me when hamgur comes back please

[fading silo]

Ok

[rugged belfry]

Solo is easier in terms of enjoyment, but harder in terms of difficulty (unless your friend is really bad and the game requires 2 coordination/communication)

[fading silo]

Yep. Thankfully my buddy is good at the game, but he doesn’t have a computer.

[river glen]

wut

[rugged belfry]

I mainly play 2 person Terraria, so skill isn't really a necessity (I focus more on having fun and adventuring/building), but if you're playing a competitive FPS like Siege or COD then skill is usually needed

[ashen warren]

There we go

[rugged belfry]

Hmm

[fading silo]

@lunar sky he back. You’re welcome.

[lunar sky]

Thanks bro

[rugged belfry]

I like the concept but it seems a bit specific (AKA: I'm fine with the idea but the mods might not)

[fading silo]

This sounds great, but it would take a lot of time to code sadly.

[rugged belfry]

^ And that

[fading silo]

But hey. I guess quality mods take time.

[ashen warren]

I don’t think it’s necessary to be honest

[lunar sky]

@ashen warren I would say to downsize the structures a tad and make them not be necessary to summon a boss

[zenith hazel]

an entire arena that spawns in the underground jungle after golem is defeated?

[rugged belfry]

Spacious

[zenith hazel]

I don't even know if that's exactly plausible?

[ashen warren]

Well it's just an example

Yup, doesn’t sound like it would fuck up world gen at all

[fading silo]

Sadly other mod structures could interfere tho

[rugged belfry]

I'm sure it is- well, I can't think of any examples so nvm

[zenith hazel]

also

fighting ravager underground

big mistake

[lunar sky]

Definitely

[fading silo]

Oh ye. Enrage right?

[zenith hazel]

generally hard underground

[lunar sky]

I don’t think you can even fight them underground

[ashen warren]

Lack of space or something

[fading silo]

True

[zenith hazel]

the haunted dungeon does sound ok?

pretty sure a suggestion like that was delivered to dev and approved

[fading silo]

I think a small jungle shrine-like structure would work better or something like that.

[lunar sky]

Yeah I like the idea for a generated Polterghast arena

[zenith hazel]

but I'm not a fan of the ravager idea because of how it spawns and how fighting ravager underground is very impractical

also, cryogen is in itself an ice temple/castle, seems a bit recursive

[fading silo]

But I can agree with the polter thing.

[ashen warren]

I don’t think structures should be there for one purpose and one purpose only

[lunar sky]

Yeah

[zenith hazel]

jungle temple

[fading silo]

You must go inside Cryogen to fight Cryogen

[ashen warren]

🤫

[fading silo]

You could also argue brimstone crags

[lunar sky]

Maybe in the dungeon place there could be like an alter where you put the necroplasmic beacon onto to summon Polterghast

[ashen warren]

Brimstone crag has its own unique features

[zenith hazel]

well, crags will be getting a rework/expansion in the future

[lunar sky]

Kinda like Astrum Deus

[fading silo]

Like?

You fight boss and get loot

That’s it

[ashen warren]

Exclusive Fishing Drops, Shadow Chest, charred ore is used to make a bunch of cool shit

[fading silo]

By loot I mean anything you find in crags

[clever dagger]

cryoception

[fading silo]

Cryogen inside Cryogen?

Deus inside of another Deus?

[ashen warren]

I think shoveling a bunch of structures in for the sake of it isn’t good, also not sure how they’d integrate it into the lore

[fading silo]

Ravager wasn’t technically a ruins boss. It was a war weapon

New Calamity biome: Warzone....COD edition

[ashen warren]

Not to mention ravager can be fought at any stage of hardmode

[fading silo]

Ravager really is that boss that can be skipped and won’t really hurt your run

[pine star]

yeah

[ashen warren]

Yea ravager isn’t relevant in terms of game progression

[pine star]

The only structure that can be lore integrated is probably Cryogen Ice Castle

[fading silo]

Cryogen is the castle tho

[ashen warren]

Yharim created an ice castle to shove the ice castle in

Get real

[fading silo]

Or should I say

Either way, it’s cryo-ception

Yharim: Draedon...guess what? I put an ice castle in an ice castle!

[ashen warren]

That is actually very Pog

[fading silo]

At first it sounded dumb....but as I keep joking around it sounds better every time......wtf.

[clever dagger]

draedon... i turned myself into an ice castle!

[rose jewel]

For the ice temple that’s still massive maybe like half a pyramid like the pharaoh vanity kind

[warm scarab]

@hollow shell just to clarify, this donor item sugg is a repost(rephrased a sentence and added more explanation to the rng part) of #suggestions-voting message, which is approved by the donor back when i suggested it]

[earnest cape]

didn't the donator ask for a proper shrine at one point

[warm scarab]

i'm reposting the sugg

[earnest cape]

they thought it was too much for a donator so they didn'- ah

[warm scarab]

no?

[hollow shell]

Yeah if it's a repost this is fine

[warm scarab]

iirc he just told me he "actually wanted it to have a proper shrine"

[warm scarab]

just to clarify and clear any misunderstandings

[earnest cape]

right I can't send images

#suggestions-discussion message

byeah

[warm scarab]

ah

i didn't remember correctly it seems

[earnest cape]

byeah

sugg's good

[warm scarab]

[tranquil perch]

@raw swallow You can install better multiplayer mod

it disables respawning during bossfights

[novel belfry]

I saw that

[zenith hazel]

sugg bot's down, notified amber

alright it's back up

[crystal iron]

@raw swallow you can increase health for bosses in the config menu

up to 900x i believe

and alternatively you can get simple sliders mod

[earnest cape]

900%*

900x literally makes KS have the same health as scal probably lmfao

[sleek turret]

uhh

i remember doing that

KS got 48k hp

[crystal iron]

oh ye, sorry

[rugged belfry]

curses

10 minutes so long

[frail mantle]

emote suggestions unfortunately aren't allowed in this server

[rugged belfry]

Are they not?

Dang

I thought they were because of flak rave

[frail mantle]

nah flak rave was added before they were disallowed

[rugged belfry]

RIP

It's a good emoji I wish it was here
Cus of the weird stuff that people say 👀

[hollow shell]

I think you can still ask for emotes
informally

[dapper coral]

the emote process right now is

unclear

[grim tusk]

Iirc if you are Cool dude

[frail mantle]

weren't there plans to come up with some sort of system to reallow emote suggestions

[hollow shell]

(I personally don't use eyeshake for when someone says something weird
Frankly we have way too many emotes for when someone says something weird
I usually use eyeshake for something I'm excited for)

[grim tusk]

Also dont fit that purpose?

[hollow shell]

Not as excited

[rugged belfry]

I can see that

I just need to become Cool Dude

hm

[hollow shell]

(don't try)

[rugged belfry]

fabsol ur pretty epic

[grim tusk]

Which both of us will probably never be

[rugged belfry]

there we go on my way

[rugged belfry]

true lol

[frail mantle]

(you don't get cool dude by actively trying to get it)

[rugged belfry]

ik

you get it from being a cool dude if you try to be a cool dude your not a cool dude

[grim tusk]

Yea if you try you’ll end up anyoing Fab

Making it even less likely

[rugged belfry]

anyway here's animated eyeshake

[frail mantle]

it comes naturally to those whose juju is good enough

[rugged belfry]

and staff

[frail mantle]

mods don't automatically get cd

[grim tusk]

So just keep lurking or smth

[grim tusk]

See: Tiki

[rugged belfry]

lurking

hmm

[frail mantle]

eah

[rugged belfry]

See: Brass

[frail mantle]

brass too

anyway yeah this ain't really sugg talk anymore

[grim tusk]

And offtopic now

[dapper coral]

i'm not seeing any mention of emote sugg reimplementations in modcorner, so im assuming that no such plan was made

or finalized, at least

[grim tusk]

emote suggs really need to be either really strict or kept out

[rugged belfry]

I would say "add a second channel" but that's just adding unnecessary channels and won't fix the reason why emote sugg were removed

[grim tusk]

You know what happened

[frail mantle]

adding a secondary emote sugg channel was suggested and denied iirc

[rugged belfry]

yeah, or role-specific

[grim tusk]

Which will pretty much end up being CD

[rugged belfry]

ye

that, possibly like people with untouched/roles like that as a way to prove they actually care about the server

and if it was open to everyone it could get easily flooded since its not very hard to look up "emojis" on google

[dapper coral]

a separate emote sugg channel was discussed yeah
but it ended up being denied by default, because it was decided that emote suggs would be banned entirely instead
however, it wouldn't have passed anyways based on the staff votes

[grim tusk]

as if that would happen lmao. Even though most show that intention the most it gets us just color. And less trust from devs

[rugged belfry]

there should def be a way for more emojis to be added without requiring the Manage Emojis permission, but probably not just being in the server

[rugged belfry]

I'd want it for the color tbh lol

[clever dagger]

the hdflr emote from nohit server would be nice

[rugged belfry]

found this btw

<#suggestions-voting message>

[grim tusk]

Embed fail but this time it embeded when it wasnt supposed to

[rugged belfry]

link fail

omgg

[frail mantle]

thanks discord

[rugged belfry]

oh I did it the wrong way lol

apparently you can't add the <>s on the outside of the italic asterisks

that sentence made sense

adding < and > on either side of links removes embeds

btw

fun fact

[rugged belfry]

hmm

I like the ice one but the other ones are not necessary/not really needed

like the dungeon one, we have the dungeon so we dont need more dungeon set aside for a boss
or the ravager ruins, might mess with world gen

and also its essentially just the temple but more

[mighty knot]

@median dove changed in Draedon's iirc

[median dove]

ok

[vital condor]

Until Draedon's comes out, using an omniscience potion will help solve

As it highlights projectiles orange like hunter highlights enemies

[hollow shell]

Meh

Suggestion isn't bad but I disagree, I think having the minimum amount possible allowed for Low%ing is fine for the swarmers

[warm scarab]

thing is

they almost don't exist

i just zerged in jungle post ml for 5 minutes

and not a single swarmer spawned

still the sugg is passable

[hollow shell]

byeah

[agile bolt]

Just dont skip bosses

But in fairness yes, they have a really small spawnrate, took me ages to get the banner so they could definetely be cranked up a bit seeing as it drops a fairly important material as well

[earnest cape]

why would you farm for their banner

whats the point

[agile bolt]

Full completionist run :)

I can say, they might be rare, but they are nowhere near the rarest

Armores digger takes the crown for the rarest enemy, it took me forever to get the banner from him

[warm scarab]

it's not an enemy

it's a miniboss

[frail mantle]

a miniboss is just a more dangerous enemy with a bigger health pool

[agile bolt]

Still has a banner so it counts

[warm scarab]

and a calamity healthbar

and it spawns less often than normal enemies

[rugged dew]

Someone said the astral infection didn't spawn in their world, I said use astral solution. But they won't be able to get astral bars, so I wonder if anyone has ever posted a suggestion to have astral solution override certain ores and turn them into astral ore?

[frail mantle]

you can still get Astral Bars if your Infection is artificial, since Astral Slimes drop the ore after beating Deus

[rugged dew]

Ah ok

[earnest cape]

enemies in the astral drops astral ore post deus and aureus spawns an astral meteor

[fading silo]

Also...astral ore.....you get more than enough with the amount from the astral meteor.

But the thing should have spawned

I’ve never seen it not spawn even with a boat load of mods that have structures and environments

[fossil finch]

It doesn't spawn if you make a big skybridge

People do that for some reason

[fading silo]

Bruh. Sky bridges are unnecessary

Just run across the world. That’s more enjoyable.

[rugged belfry]

I make a big railway

Doubles as a boss cheese arena

[fading silo]

Also can we suggest for any enemy that spawns only in the sky to drop souls of flight in hardmode or is that hardcoded? Cause I hate waiting for wyverns.

[crude geode]

Water candle and battle pots exist

[rugged dew]

So does zerg

[fading silo]

Ok, but wouldn’t it make sense to just allow all enemy’s that fly to drop it like how most will drop essence of sunlight?

[rugged dew]

Then why doesn't any scary enemy drop souls of fright?

[crude geode]

^

[rugged dew]

Or any powerful enemy might, or anything that can see drop sight?

Just kill a wyvern

[crude geode]

Or fish

Fish of Flight exist

[fading silo]

Uhuh.

Ok

[earnest cape]

"flying fish" would've been a better name

[rugged belfry]

Fish of Flight lol

[earnest cape]

doubles as a pun too

[fading silo]

It’s fine

[crude geode]

Consistency.

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

Fish of Flight, funny

[crude geode]

also did we not learn from Auric Toilet not to make jokes

[cobalt pewter]

In any case adding more Souls of Flight sources sounds valid, but essentially unnecessary?

[cobalt pewter]

blame purely the devs for that

[earnest cape]

[cobalt pewter]

now we get to suffer

[earnest cape]

byeah

[crude geode]

Souls are meant to be fairly rare, unlike essences.

Why they only drop from 1 thing, usually, their respective boss/miniboss

[earnest cape]

the you run into the problem where any enemy in evil biomes drop souls

then we see souls of flight

...which only drop from wyverns

sadge

[crude geode]

souls of night and light are essentially just essences ngl

except even easier to obtain

[earnest cape]

ig but consistency and ease

[earnest cape]

hah fool KS exploit is gone

[crude geode]

This is vanilla we’re talking about

[earnest cape]

true

but

[crude geode]

Vanilla made early hardmode, so take anything it does with a grain of salt

[crystal iron]

'' but what about players that cannot beat the boss after hours of attempts"

dragonfully is a really important boss, obviously its gonna be hard
also, dragonfolly isnt that hard is it, even for newer players it would maybe take an hour max

but thats about all i have to say about the sugg

[earnest cape]

Difficulty is subjective but personally i think if the player knows to focus gear on not just damage and knows folly's attacks it shouldnt be too hard

[crystal iron]

also, why is here an alternaive way to get effulgenty feather, just curious

there *

[fossil finch]

Because fabsol wanted

Iirc

[whole sedge]

Non-linearity and not having requirements to beat certain bosses i guess, kinda same reason why there's a lunatic cultist summon and such

[crystal iron]

oh, i still find it odd tbh

[earnest cape]

Well you'll find bohldohrs dropping lihzahrd bricks even odder!

(They spawn at the start of hardmode)

Byeah

final wave pumpkin moon is :fear:

[opal hawk]

have you ever fought it with ultimate battler (I know that's from a seperate mod I don't remember what it is though)

[earnest cape]

i have yes multiple times

[opal hawk]

it is terrifying

[earnest cape]

ultimate battler is a toggleable buff item from luifk crafted from unlimited battler and a few extra stuffs

[opal hawk]

oh yeah

[sour plinth]

I agree

[hazy crow]

I play summoner a lot,and dont really have an issue with it tbh. you dont need to be able to beat the later waves flawlessly, as you can get all the drops you want before them. I think they were designed to still have difficulty with later game weapons, as being able to farm 6+ bosses at once for drops until night ends is kind of op right after plantera

[fading silo]

I'd say the main issue is when all of your summons going after a mini-boss and you get swarmed by other enemies.

[crude geode]

Is it just me or is Chlorophyte in a awful state progression wise? Even with the changes next update, you have it avaliable for plantera/clone and then replace it with a better armor.

Chlorophyte Shotbow is good ig but you still have a shit ton of weapons post plant avaliable that are probably better overall.

[whole sedge]

Yeah kinda is being sandwiched between Daedalus and Reaver really
Plus has to compete with Hallowed, probably another set I'm forgetting, the hardmode ore armors and Umbraphile iirc

[crude geode]

Aside from melee, which doesn’t have a specific set for it post plant pre-golem, every other class including rogue gets a different armor.
Shroomite, Spectre, Spooky, and Umbra. All of these are generally gonna be better than Chlorophyte since they’re class specific.

Melee is the only class that might mine chlorophyte for an actual armor at that tier, but even then Daedalus or even Hallowed armor is much easier to obtain.

And even if the class specific armors didn’t exist, Reaver armor is actually becoming a thing next update so that also invalidates it, as well as Hallowed joining it’s tier.

[sand umbra]

fun fact: this is also a problem in vanilla, just to a lesser degree

you use Chlorophyte for exactly one boss and before you've even prepared for the next boss you've already replaced it with something else

the only exception is Warrior and that's solely because Turtle armor is a massive meme

Shroomite is available right after Plantera, Spectre just requires nuking some shit in the Dungeon, and Spooky needs simply some Pumpkin Moon memery

not saying that makes it okay, mind you; just pointing out that a lot of the problem is rooted in the vanilla post-Plantera power skyscraper climb

which in and of itself is a nightmare to fix without retooling a massive section of the game

[grim tusk]

Chlorophyte’s stats are about the same as Daedalus offensively, but less defensively, Hallowed outoffenses both but has less defense than those 2 (and has almost the same defense in some cases compared to chloro)

And in raw stats its prob beaten by OoA armors

[sand umbra]

Daedalus outperforms Chlorophyte in just about every respect yes
mainly because Daedalus has an actual fucking set bonus--

[grim tusk]

And hallowed simply has way better stats with the exception of dmg (slightly lower but has way more crit making it better offensively) and defense (which also slightly less)

Chlorophyte is just bad

[sand umbra]

byeah

no matter how you spin it, Chlorophyte's in a mighty awkward position and there's really no easy way to go about fixing it

[grim tusk]

And weapon wise its only worth for ranger

Shotbow and bullets

The other weapons are just bad

Venom staff would be good but the iframe issues

And chloro melee swords are big fucking meme

Is there a chlorophyte rogue consumable?

Heck, is there even a hallowed one?

[sand umbra]

Venom Staff is better in 1.4 but in 1.3 it's a total joke

the swords are also a complete meme (they're not even that interesting)

and no, there isn't a Chloro rogue consumable

(however I'm also surprised you didn't pick up on the other glaring issue which is the LACK OF A SUMMON WEAPON)

[grim tusk]

:tru:

[sand umbra]

I think there is a Chloro-tier rogue weapon

[grim tusk]

Terror talons

[sand umbra]

but I do not remember what it is off the top of my head

YEAH those bastards

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Terror_Talons literally the only Chloro-tier rogue wep

[grim tusk]

And not even good

[sand umbra]

and now with the change to Hallowed Bars and the like it's going to have to compete with Exorcism

(then again, I don't know if Exorcism is good so take that with a grain of salt)

[grim tusk]

And it currently competes with the meme that is Pwnage hammer (which will no longer be rogue) and it does bad, heck even vs post-1 mech/alt stuff it does bad

[grim tusk]

Its

[sand umbra]

bruh moment

[earnest cape]

its alright if you like 4 minute fights

[sand umbra]

a 4 minute fight is fine if the fight normally takes that long

it is significantly less fine when an on-tier matchup should take a few seconds over half that time on average

[grim tusk]

Iirc Clone and Plant take like 3 mins

Probably slightly more

[sand umbra]

even still, a weapon taking 33% longer than another weapon of the same tier, with an on-tier boss matchup applied, is kinda funky if it isn't meant for something else (and Calamity has a known, long-standing habit of balancing just about everything around bosses, so we can make the safe assumption that it isn't meant for something else)

...so, in essence, what I'm hearing is that Terror Talons and Exorcism both need buffs

[grim tusk]

Rogue Early hm needs some adjustments

Some have already been made (nerfing the op shits that are skyfin bombers, adamantite axes and gac mollusk’s stealth strikes)

gac mollusk was so broken in test versions, it got over average kill times ON FUCKING YHARON

[earnest cape]

right no images

links it is

byeah

[grim tusk]

https://youtu.be/3JeyC-ppfeg :wrath:

And we should move this convo elsewhere

[earnest cape]

g a m e r v i s i o n

byeah

[agile bolt]

I had to read it 5 times and i only read "Gamer uision" until i saw you write vision

[fading silo]

Bro. Pwnage hammer is so good that you can use it past plantera and maybe even golem.😂

[clever dagger]

wait

[clever dagger]

excuse me wtf

[earnest cape]

Watch the video

[clever dagger]

i did

what the actual fuck

this is like me trying sub shocker vs yharon but actually good

[burnt bough]

there arent that many minibosses at any time

and you have enough gear to deal with them most of the time

[crystal iron]

well, when i was playing i had a shotton of pumplkings and morning woods and couldnt even survive for 5 seconds as a full tank, or a least, aminly tank

[eternal escarp]

at a certain point it does get chaotic tbf

[grim tusk]

Wave 15+ be like

[fading silo]

No.

[candid grove]

pumpkin moon ez farm frost moon cringe

[fading silo]

Anything but that

Not wave 15+!

[burnt bough]

there definitely shouldnt be a spawn cap on the post dog events

bc at that point if ur dying off spawn ur just bad

[swift mango]

Except at that point everything is buffed

[earnest cape]

yeah then you realize EVERYTHING in the event hits like a truck and don't forget the projectile spam a SINGLE pumpking do

just wait till you get to wave 15 and see 5+ pumpkings

oh yeah definitely getting 2 shot is because "im bad"

[crystal iron]

its not just damage, lag is oretty bad too

then its nt my fault im dying is it

[burnt bough]

ok that is a fair point

maybe add it as a config option then, so it allows for that

[earnest cape]

why must it be a config

[whole sedge]

Why bloat up the config with another option for something that'd benefit all players

[crystal iron]

i dont think it should be a config, cuz ^

[burnt bough]

bc it wouldnt benefit anyone who wants to farm endothermic energy/nightmare fuel

or just fuck around with a zerg pot

[whole sedge]

You'd end up getting more by not being basically locked into getting spawnkilled by Pumpkings

[crystal iron]

the minibosses weill spawn the seconbd you kill them

so it doent matetr

matter*

[crystal iron]

and this too ^

[burnt bough]

but you dont get spawnkilled

you have the firepower to kill them

unless its pre dog, in which case whats the point in farming those two events

[earnest cape]

you're REALLY overestimating how strong dog drops are

[whole sedge]

I very much do because of the fact my game usually runs at about 15 frames due to the excessive amount of mobs that can spawn.

[burnt bough]

i had no problem

[earnest cape]

spawn rates on moon events are massive too

(turn off reply ping btw)

[burnt bough]

i just spawned, buffed, healed, and went back out if i died

[burnt bough]

sorry, its a bad habit of mine

[earnest cape]

the problem lies very noticibly when it's the pumpkin moon cause haha funny pumpkings

[whole sedge]

Plus a spawn cap would literally benefit everyone as if you're killing them fast it won't matter at all

[earnest cape]

its alright

[burnt bough]

yes but haha funny 50 pumpkings on screen

[placid latch]

I do agree with hahaisms

[whole sedge]

Your excessiveness for just wanting to bloat up your screen is your own issue but where this is to the point where it causes someone to basically not even be able to play the game due to the excessive lag on their PC there easily could be a spawn cap.

[placid latch]

But what about people who can one shot the bosses of events

[clever dagger]

thats just like straight up not possible

[crystal iron]

thats not possible when you need to farm the events

[clever dagger]

except for maybe vehemence

[dapper coral]

yall should probably take this to cmt or something

if you wanna continue

[cobalt pewter]

There are no suggs in posting

Guess imma ruin it

[earnest cape]

[burnt bough]

mod config ofc

[fading silo]

What if

What if we didn’t suggest anything?

Big brain move

[placid latch]

I have idea

[fading silo]

Ok

What is it

[placid latch]

what about a item like a vanity or something

It's not so impactful so there is no drama

[fading silo]

Can’t

Maybe

It sounds like a SIS

But go ahead

Explain it

[placid latch]

No that was just by base idea

[fading silo]

Oh

[sleek turret]

hmm

[placid latch]

I was thinking everybody could build on that

[sleek turret]

cool sugg feedzuh

[cobalt pewter]

[fading silo]

Can agree

[sleek turret]

that bloats too much the calamity keyboard settings

and also my keyboard

when ofc playing rogue

[cobalt pewter]

I also think that Astral Teleport and Astral Arcanum UI toggle should be merged

[placid latch]

Rouge is cool

[cobalt pewter]

As they're essentially the same thing

[placid latch]

Yeah

[sleek turret]

They should.

A lot.

[fading silo]

When you want to suggest a flak crab summon upgrade to the magic conch, but it’s an SIS

[cobalt pewter]

Might add that to the sugg

[placid latch]

What is SIS im New here

[sleek turret]

Yeah add it.

[vital condor]

Specific Item Suggestion

[fading silo]

Specific Item Suggestion

[vital condor]

[placid latch]

ok jeez

[sleek turret]

Specific Item Suggestion(s) ((or basically Specific Suggestions)) are suggestion that detail a certain item/enemy/etc with their stats, drops, etc.

[cobalt pewter]

If (including the astral arcanum stuff) the keybinds in the sugg were removed, you'd be left with

• Adrenaline
• Rage
• (whatever merged Astral Teleport and Astral Arcanum UI toggle is)
• Normality Relocator (which is dedicated)

That's a lot less than we have atm

[sleek turret]

how many keybinds to set are in calamity currently

[cobalt pewter]

11

[fading silo]

Bruh

[sleek turret]

jesus

[fading silo]

Imagine using keybinds

[sleek turret]

oh and also makes sense since touching the other button that is """far away""" from the WASD keys is irritable

when basically you'd have set all the other keybinds near WASD except certain ones such as rogue

[cobalt pewter]

Except the ones related to rogue (Momentum Capacitor, Sand Cloak, Plagued Fuel Pack, Blunder Booster) absolutely don't need specific binds

The former two can be reworked as they're ass anyways

And the others are essentially dashes

So just make them toggle like dashes!

Genius ain't it

(totally forgot Spectral Veil)

[distant gyro]

there is a reason accessory keybinds are all separate

a vast majority of them are mutually exclusive

Using DOWN to activate Elysian Guard, instead of an additional hotkey.

this was a thing in an older version of Calamity, but the general consensus was that it was too annoying

double down wasn't much better

[earnest cape]

imagine fighting yharon and when going down a platform your movement just dies

[distant gyro]

random spikes in movement lesss goooooooooo

[cobalt pewter]

time to change to UP

[earnest cape]

imo removing elysian guard's hotkey feels a bit unnecessary

[cobalt pewter]

And a good amount of them don't need keybinds

[earnest cape]

honestly it gives less headache with just having a custom keybidn

[distant gyro]

making booster dashes activated by normal dash keys will not only be annoying due to cooldown but also not stackable with regular dashes

activating arcanum UI is a bigger inconvenience than a celestial jewel's quick tp potion

[earnest cape]

coding limitations feelsbadman

[distant gyro]

in a funny world we could make it like

enter the gungeon where there's only one (one) active/key-binded item that can exist at a time

(excluding ways to increase that or pilot)

[hollow shell]

I had the idea one time of having exactly 7 accessory effect keybinds
One for each slot

You hit the acc slot 3 key to activate whatever ability the accessory in slot 3 has

[distant gyro]

imagine having to micromanage 7 keybound accessories though

[hollow shell]

You already have to

theoretically.

Hence us having different keys for them all currently

[clever dagger]

i dont like the idea of down for elysian

cause depending on the fight i either want it toggled on or off

i dont want it switching every time i pass through a platform

[hollow shell]

It would likely be a double press down, which iirc is what it was before

Still possible to accidentally input but not as much

[distant gyro]

it was down, then double down, then separate key iirc

[rugged belfry]

It's especially more difficult considering the fact that 60% and 80% keyboards exist which limit people's keybind capabilities

[hollow shell]

Pardon?

I know some keyboards don't have numpads or the function keys or even the Ins/Del/Home group
But I would hope that all keyboards have all the letter keys

[clever dagger]

nah my keyboard actually just has 1,0,c and v

[rose jewel]

Get a new keyboard?

[harsh briar]

Will calam ever get optimised multiplayer?

Endgame dungeon is the laggiest thing ever

[hollow shell]

It's difficult, code-wise.

[harsh briar]

Hmm

What exactly is causing all the lag though?

Because I just walked into the dungeon post planterra and it lagged

Not terribly, still semi playable

but there were around 10 enemies in the area

[hollow shell]

I do not know. You'd be surprised what can cause tons of lag.
Last time Apotheosis was an incredibly laggy weapon, it's because of the function used to rotate its jaws, it was inefficient and doing more stuff every frame than it should've. They changed the rotation code, and now it causes 0 lag.

[harsh briar]

lol

I mean I can understand a death mode 5 player blood moon lagging

But idk whats up with the dung

[hollow shell]

I think that we have a program at our disposal that lets us see, directly in our code, which functions are causing lag at a given moment
We could ask one of our programmers to go into the Dungeon with that running, and see.

That is, if it's not just you

(and iunno if that program works for multiplayer lag or only client-side)

[harsh briar]

Well I kinda was running 5 player but it did happen too when my friend hosted a server

Altho not as badly

[grim tusk]

That sounds more like a connection problem

[harsh briar]

Would connecting an ethernet cable to my pc improve it?

Currently on wireless atm

The router is a floor below me so i havent been asked to get a cable

[hollow shell]

Maybe

I mean, the answer is yes, ethernet will be faster than wireless
But I don't know if it would solve your problem

[harsh briar]

Would more players increase the lag?

Im assuming it would

[hollow shell]

Of course

[harsh briar]

I was running 3-5 players at once so ig theres the reason

Plaguebringer ai had a lot of fun :)

Oh yea when i was doing plaguebringer and my friends kept dying it kept leaving the bossfight even tho i was alive

then it just didnt despawn

[whole sedge]

It'd improve ping lag but not FPS lag really and if the host is having FPS lag you're gonna notice issues also

[harsh briar]

Its ping lag

[whole sedge]

What's the host running at then?

[harsh briar]

I can run at around 144

usually

wait you mean ping?

[whole sedge]

I'm talking the host's average FPS really as if the host is having hardware issues that can also lead to desync with terraria

[harsh briar]

Oh na theres no fps issues

I usually turn frame skip on anyways since it never goes below 60fps in any situations

[whole sedge]

Not much cal can do then as that's a netcode issue, most you can do is try to improve the others internet speeds or just play with people closer to you

[harsh briar]

We all live in the same town lol

Also I am also experiencing the lag even tho im the host

[whole sedge]

Yeah because terraria netcode is uh not good
Not the place to discuss this now though

[harsh briar]

Tru

srry

[hollow shell]

The only things that don't stack are ones that are in the same upgrade trees

As in, a successor not stacking with its predecessor

[pine star]

Everything else is getting nerfed
Also you can stack things like Dark Sun Ring and Nucleogenesis

An example of what you can't stack is Statis' Blessing and Statis' Curse

[hollow shell]

(Also this is for the next update, and therefore not relevant for suggs, cuz you're only supposed to suggest for the current release)

(Once you have experience with the upcoming balance, then you can write a suggestion about it)

[gilded scroll]

ahhhhh...alright, thank you for telling me. i did not know beforehand, hence why i made the complaint. i will check it out in the next update, see how it works. and i will see if it works. thank you again

[hollow shell]

👍

Thank you for being understanding

[gilded scroll]

mhmm. and thank you for guiding me in the right direction and not starting a full on war. thats nice

[rugged belfry]

Tru

[burnt bough]

i like this sugg

[muted osprey]

based

that's too specific tbh

[hollow shell]

More directly:

Violates the "reference for the sake of reference" Don't

[burnt bough]

so why is gaels greatsword in the game

[whole sedge]

Dedicated item.

[hollow shell]

(It's probably an indirect reference to that ring anyway, considering that ring indicates you're a follower of Dark Sun Gwyndolin)

And yeah that's dedicated

to Leviathan

[burnt bough]

how many dedicated stuff does levi have

[frozen hornet]

At least 2 afaik

[burnt bough]

is the boss dedicated to him?

[frozen hornet]

No

Might even be the opposite

[hollow shell]

Yeah lol the boss predates his involvement with the mod

[burnt bough]

ill just leave it in to see if anyone can bs a reason for it

[muted osprey]

what

[grim tusk]

2. Levi Pet and :gaelsmile:

[sharp prism]

no nitro lol.....

[hollow shell]

@burnt bough That's not how suggestions are supposed to work

You gotta actually
provide a reason

Explain why it would be fitting and more importantly why we should do it

[distant gyro]

letting people come up with a reason is fundamentally wrong when the core of the suggestion breaks a rule

[ashen warren]

Add the thing because it’s a thing that should be added because of the thing inside the thing and the thing exists as a thing

[hollow shell]

Hell, for the sake of the voters, you could even explain who Dark Sun Gwyndolin is, for those who don't know Dark Souls

[crude geode]

Calamity already has way too many references for references sake, such as Determination Breaker, and adding something like this is entirely unnecessary.

[clever dagger]

isnt this an explicit dont

[crude geode]

Yep.

Also self explanatory being the only reason for a suggestion is incredibly weak.

[hollow shell]

Indeed, I may even make that an example alongside "It'd be cool"

[candid grove]

dungeon lag happens to me too, both me and my friend are on ethernet

[fading silo]

Game lag happens to me whenever there are a lot of projectiles on screen or the boss has a lot of flashy attacks.

I haven’t had that much of a problem recently, but sometimes the game chugs and then halfway through a boss fight, the game suddenly speeds up.

It’s actually really cool and I kind of like it.

[zenith hazel]

sugg bot's down, notified amber

[clever dagger]

do you guys have alchnpc lite?

[candid grove]

yes el oh el

[clever dagger]

try going into the config and turning off the setting that mentions lifeform analyzer

[zenith hazel]

(forgot to mention but bot's back up now)

[river glen]

what about making bosses generally despawn

like hve mind if accidently spawned will just not despawn

it will chase eveyr player

[rugged belfry]

huh? you could just leave and rejoin the world and itll despawn iirc

[river glen]

oh well

[eternal escarp]

At the moment there's no real reason to play Acid rain tier 3
id disagree, the reason to play the event is to get more gear (which will likely be of more use next update aswell

[shadow knoll]

ye, but that gear is lackluster and niche

[eternal escarp]

(which will likely be of more use next update aswell
wouldnt say its niche
and lackluster? each class has 1 weapon atleast, thats enough tbf

[shadow knoll]

By giving Od a bit more than what he has now it'd make him at least somewhat relevant

[eternal escarp]

also, OD is an optional boss on purpose

[whole sedge]

Yeah uh "Lackluster" is definitely not true for Old Duke loot..?

[eternal escarp]

locking those tiers behind a boss more optional then Polterghast sounds pretty

eh

[shadow knoll]

I mean Polter is optional too technically

[eternal escarp]

Brimmy's drop pool might fit the "Lackluster" nature

[eternal escarp]

more optional

[whole sedge]

Plus locking Abyss tier 3 and 4 behind what's supposed to be a very optional boss doesn't seem to be the greatest idea to me either

[eternal escarp]

polter is still a boss most people will do in a normal playthrough

an action that doesn't really make too much sense
also im pretty sure theres a lore explanation for this

[midnight ice]

I skipped poltergeist

[shadow knoll]

I'm just saying, OD is a boss people will skip because there's nothing to really gain from him, while people will do Polter because he gives a lot more stuff than OD does, for them both being optional bosses, it seems pretty unfair, by siphoning some of that stuff from Polter, it gives OD a reason to be relevant while also keeping Polter relevant

[eternal escarp]

or an ingame message or whatever im like, 75% sure

[midnight ice]

On accident on my first play through

[eternal escarp]

theres a diff between OD's optionalness, then Polter's

skipping polter is litteraly skipping an entire tier of content in Post-ML

[shadow knoll]

I know that's what I'm saying

[eternal escarp]

skipping OD is skipping optional weapons to (theoretically) help with DoG

[shadow knoll]

If he's optional why is he so important?

[eternal escarp]

they arent the same

...because he isnt fully optional

he is still recomended to be fought and defeated

[shadow knoll]

I know, I'm just trying to even out the disparity

[eternal escarp]

i mean

EoC isnt needed

almost everyone fights it

why? because you kindof should

same with polter

its a part of the normal recomended path

[shadow knoll]

That's why i'm suggesting this for OD, so there's an actual reason to fight him

and an actual reason to do AR t3

[eternal escarp]

then agian

[whole sedge]

EoC, EoW/BoC and skeletron are also technically not needed just heavily recommended but
There already is an actual reason to fight him of the weaponry he drops that can give you that "edge" someplayers need for the DoG fight

[eternal escarp]

OD is fully optional, why lock an entire (half a) tier behind a fully optional boss?

[shadow knoll]

ye, but most players don't need that edge

[eternal escarp]

its like, locking the ocean behind DukeFishron

[candid grove]

isnt skeletron needed?

[eternal escarp]

no

not exactly in cal

[candid grove]

oh i thought the tablets were from dungeon

[eternal escarp]

you can get ectoplasm from the abyss

same with the tablets

[whole sedge]

He's not needed but is heavily recommended due to the power of the dungeon loot Pre-HM

[eternal escarp]

^

also

[grim tusk]

And shadow key

[candid grove]

min bosses funny run

i want to do it at some point

[shadow knoll]

So is Polter, but yet he's so important simultaneously. Just give some of that importance to OD so it's not such a huge disparity between two seemingly "optional" bosses

Is it that bad to fight OD?

[eternal escarp]

saying "there isnt a reason to fight him other then some weapons" can litterally go for half the bosses in the game:
EoC (in vanilla)
EoW / BoC
KS
DS (unlocks a biome, which you could argue, but the biome has 0 relevence other then more weapons
Crabulon
Leviathan
Aureus
SG
Folly
so on and so forth

[eternal escarp]

agian, Polters optionalness isnt the same as OD's

thats why polter is more important

its not the same scenario

[whole sedge]

There's really not though of they both unlock ways of getting better gear that can help for DoG, Polter just so happens to unlock more really

[candid grove]

oh you have to either fight skelly boy or polterghast

[eternal escarp]

you can skip both for a true low% run

[candid grove]

but eidolon boi only spawns in 3rd layer

[eternal escarp]

theres ways to get there

[whole sedge]

Yeah can still get to layer 3 pre-polter just not that easy