the only real problem is the no reason
#suggestions-discussion
earnest cape
the specificity is kinda up there
jagged zealot
Ok, I wouldn't know how to explain it, Like trying to explain why a flammable thing like oil, which burns, should increase fire damage because the oil and being fire fuel would be self explannitory unless it's not that type of oil...
eternal escarp
its not exactly the greatest of reasons
jagged zealot
its not exactly the greatest of reasons
neither is oil getting reworked
eternal escarp
"its be cool" or "itd make sense" arent good reasons at all, as stated in the document too
jagged zealot
by that sense
earnest cape
also yeah this is just flat out unnecessary imo, and why is this calamity's problem
eternal escarp
wdym by oil rework?
jagged zealot
also yeah this is just flat out unnecessary imo, and why is this calamity's prob...
Never said it was a problem for calamity.
earnest cape
mod suggestions are suggestions FOR clamaity
eternal escarp
never heard of it but if its a feature in cal its because the devs just wanted to do it, its not related to the convo
also yeah
jagged zealot
mod suggestions are suggestions FOR clamaity
Suggestion aren't only problems though?
earnest cape
.....doesn't deter from the fact it has to be related to the mod
eternal escarp
and that, yes
jagged zealot
as you pointed out
eternal escarp
why should calamity specifically, do this change
and not any other mod
jagged zealot
dragonfolly and storm weaver
earnest cape
if you want these additions go use something like overhaul mod which adds one of the things you added in your suggestion
eternal escarp
also electrified debuff is one of the only unique debuffs iirc
it deals more damage if you walk or whatever
why does it need more changes
"just because?"
earnest cape
the suggestion doesn't mention them, even indirectly or directly it just says "hey add some environmental effect to x cause it'd make sense"
jagged zealot
the suggestion doesn't mention them, even indirectly or directly it just says "h...
I didn't type that though
earnest cape
also electrified debuff is one of the only unique debuffs iirc
it deals more dam...
the more you move horizontally the more damage you get
earnest cape
I didn't type that though
it's the suggestion summarized
jagged zealot
it's the suggestion summarized
not 100% but i guess it sort of does.
earnest cape
byeah remove this part
(If this get's approved, I may suggest one last vanilla debuff rework tha's NOT added by calamity, but I doubt that's going to happen fjklfjkfjfkj)
and make up a solid reason for your sugg
eternal escarp
neither is oil getting reworked
i am also still failing to understand what this is supposed to mean
earnest cape
5head
clever dagger
ngl i dont understand wtf the sugg is trying to say
earnest cape
^^
eternal escarp
something rework 2 vanilla debuffs for
clever dagger
ytho
eternal escarp
thats something i am still failing to understand
whole sedge
Yeah this suggestion is written pretty poorly in my eyes and I'm failing to see what it's trying to say 
eternal escarp
theres alot that can be trimmed down like previously mentioned
and the reasoning as a whole is still pretty vague
earnest cape
but yes @jagged zealot read the problems about your suggs that's been mentioned here
one of them is removing the last line
yes im being impatient i know
jagged zealot
that last one is more of a opinion though. but fine
earnest cape
ye
eternal escarp
it adds pretty much nothing to the sugg so ye
jagged zealot
opinions
eternal escarp
(If this get's approved, I may suggest one last vanilla debuff rework tha's NOT added by calamity, but I doubt that's going to happen fjklfjkfjfkj)
this isnt really an opinion, just a statement that doesnt relate to the current sugg at all
earnest cape
something tells me you need another healthy read of "don'ts" doc pinned
(I'm not being sarcastic)
jagged zealot
> (If this get's approved, I may suggest one last vanilla debuff rework tha's NO...
I was saying if it did get approved I may do another suggestion. but i removed now. but yes, it's an opinion.
earnest cape
good
jagged zealot
Also remember this? yeah, don't get onto me when a few broke this rule.
jagged zealot
Just for future reference
earnest cape
Just for future reference
it doesn't matter and doesn't make it better at all
anyway move on
jagged zealot
it's already the past now move on
Also, don't tell people how to react to things
earnest cape
????????
jagged zealot
it doesn't matter and doesn't make it better at all
Actually, it does
earnest cape
the fuck do you mean it's suggestion discussion, a place to discuss about suggestions
jagged zealot
yes, but now you are strawmaning
earnest cape
demik pls come and save me
jagged zealot
-_-
dapper coral
sigh
vital condor
and so the magic ! is applied
dapper coral
Also, don't tell people how to react to things
if you're referring to the ping that misfortune gave me, that's because the suggestion is invalid as it is right now
not because they were "telling me how to react to it"
jagged zealot
if you're referring to the ping that misfortune gave me, that's because the sugg...
Not what I was refering to.
dapper coral
then what
earnest cape
you're running on a thin line buddy
dapper coral
please explain
earnest cape
basically they practially said "dead chat" to which I replied to don't
the results are what you're seeing now
jagged zealot
you're running on a thin line buddy
Actually, buddy, I ain't. I just explained that's not what was going on. So I would watch it.
jagged zealot
the results are what you're seeing now
Once again not even close
earnest cape
chill out you're already warned dood
jagged zealot
Same to you
clever dagger
what the hell i was gone for 10 minutes
dapper coral
Keep on-topic in the channel you are in
You're allowed to go a little off-topic if the conversation naturally went there, but do try to keep the conversations in their appropriate channels. Message that do not contribute in any form, i.e. "dead chat", are also prohibited and punishments will apply.
dead chat falls under this rule, where it is explicitly mentioned
so yes please refrain from saying stuff like that in the future
jagged zealot
I didn't say that though
earnest cape
but yes let's get back on topic
dapper coral
this is what you said
earnest cape
and move on from this and discuss about suggestions
dapper coral
which is equivalent
jagged zealot
All I said, moment's after my intial text, was "It got really quiet (all of a sudden)"
clever dagger
in my eyes, the sugg in its current form is kind of all over the place, could you tell me exactly what you are suggesting to happen?
dapper coral
so please don't make those sorts of comments, because they don't contribute anything at all
in any case, yes talk about actual suggestions now please
jagged zealot
so please don't make those sorts of comments, because they don't contribute anyt...
Okay, but future reference that could also be fairly said for some of the other members said, just bandwagoning without actually adding.
clever dagger
commenting on others' behavior doesnt make yours any more valid 
earnest cape
you mean the problems mentioned about your suggestion?
jagged zealot
commenting on others' behavior doesnt make yours any more valid <:HDfailure:4822...
Never said it did
earnest cape
in any case, yes talk about actual suggestions now please
.
jagged zealot
you mean the problems mentioned about your suggestion?
No, I mean their opinions on the matter. the things were they just repeat
earnest cape
that's your suggestion being discussed.
clever dagger
dude if people say the suggestion is a mess then fix the suggestion dont call their opinions wrong
earnest cape
there are some exceptions but yes
jagged zealot
that's your suggestion being discussed.
No, saying a opinion like "I don't get it" is a opinion, it doesn't help
clever dagger
it does help though, it tells you the sugg is poorly structured and nigh unreadable
jagged zealot
dude if people say the suggestion is a mess then fix the suggestion dont call th...
That's not what a opinion is
earnest cape
in that situation it means your suggestion isn't clear enough to be understood clearly by other people
jagged zealot
it does help though, it tells you the sugg is poorly structured and nigh unreada...
What world are you living on?
heady storm
Cease already.
eternal escarp
No, saying a opinion like "I don't get it" is a opinion, it doesn't help
this helps us understand what you are trying to convey in your sugg, so we can try and help you format it better
earnest cape
^^
heady storm
Any more and I will be tossing out punishments.
earnest cape
byeah if you want your suggestion posted to #suggestions-voting then better fix your suggestion to the stuff we've mentioned earlier
jagged zealot
Any more and I will be tossing out punishments.
^
heady storm
Okay to be fair were we all just informing this person properly or making a colossal fuss over tiny details.
Like were they even told what was wrong one by one.
jagged zealot
some of it I did correct
but
some of the "corrections" was because I listed an opinion
yet they said other's opinions are vallid
when it's about my thing
which is a fallacy already.
clever dagger
i was just saying restructuring it to be easier to read would be really nice, like instead of the opening just start with "make wet debuff do xx, and make electrified debuff do yy because zz"
earnest cape
what? so you're complaining about us mentioning the problems in suggestions since it didn't meet up to suggestion rules because "it's my opinion"
curious question
jagged zealot
what? so you're complaining about us mentioning the problems in suggestions sinc...
THAT"S NOT IT AT ALL
see?
ypu are doing it again!
that thing were you twist my words
heady storm
Problem is that I can tell Mis is correct.
earnest cape
some of the "corrections" was because I listed an opinion
this implies they're your opinion
jagged zealot
this implies they're your opinion
??
earnest cape
the last 4 words
jagged zealot
whateven?
clever dagger
it doesnt matter whats an opinion, can we please talk about the actual suggestion and not nitpick grammar?
jagged zealot
Me saying I had a opinion in there, and that was wrong by your standards?
jagged zealot
Problem is that I can tell Mis is correct.
About what though that I actually did and didn't acuse or twist my words from?
earnest cape
it's not by MY standards, it's by suggestion standards which needs you to have solid reasoning for it to pass, which I am following
heady storm
Suggestions for the mod have their own retrospective rules; if you are not willing to change your suggestion appropriately, then delete it and stop arguing.
earnest cape
its 2am I shouldn't be thinking about this so I'll pass it on to you chetto
jagged zealot
Suggestions for the mod have their own retrospective rules; if you are not willi...
I did though
heady storm
People come to this channel as a means of informing you about the mistakes present; if you do not fix these problems then your suggestion will not be allowed to pass.
Then why is this still being held up.
jagged zealot
People come to this channel as a means of informing you about the mistakes prese...
Yes, But I was talking about the opinions that mainly do not add anything
jagged zealot
Then why is this still being held up.
because this is response to something earlier
heady storm
If opinions are irrelevant, then every piece of feedback that actually is good would be worthless.
clever dagger
can we please discuss the actual suggestion?
grim tusk
#suggestions-posting message
Suggestion is invalid for falling under Very specific category
Please refer to the pinned doc to se what you can and what you should not suggest @jagged zealot
jagged zealot
If opinions are irrelevant, then every piece of feedback that actually is good w...
Yet I had to delete mine.
heady storm
If you put two and two together, holding a suggestion based off of an opinion is not good.
grim tusk
^
jagged zealot
If you put two and two together, holding a suggestion based off of an opinion is...
Okay, but I didn't?
grim tusk
If its a fact its WAY more likely to get in, but your sugg just boils to it’d be cool
heady storm
There have to be factual pieces of evidence to support your argument, not just what you believe.
clever dagger
whats the facts to support your sugg then?
earnest cape
this is going absolutely nowhere
jagged zealot
also, alot of people make irl suggestions based off of opinions? so that doesn't make sense
but I will change not to be specific
grim tusk
also, alot of people make irl suggestions based off of opinions? so that doesn't...
But then bring reasoning for such opinion
heady storm
And from this point, I am going to agree with Storm and Mis; make your suggestion less specific as requested or cease.
jagged zealot
But then bring reasoning for such opinion
Eh, reasoning is subjective, but yes, I already said I would change it.
heady storm
Let us know when you do and we may check it again yes.
earnest cape
the hole in your argument is that reasonings are a must for suggestions
heady storm
Mis let them change.
earnest cape
oki
jagged zealot
the hole in your argument is that reasonings are a must for suggestions
That's not my argument?
heady storm
Okay nevermind.
This is just not going anywhere and it still continued, have a mute.
@earnest cape and to be fair, I am not letting you off the radar.
earnest cape
grim tusk
@jagged zealot you improved your suggestion but still needs a Why
Why should wet boost the damage from electrified and reduce fire dmg.
Well hes muted now, that sugg is dead
heady storm
Going to give you a warn for repeatedly inciting the argument way after both me and Demik requested it cease.
earnest cape
understood
clever dagger
i do like part of his sugg, it would add a sort of interesting strategy element if liquids doused fire debuffs
hollow shell
Damn what a mess
The suggestion does indeed lack reasoning and the top line should be reworded
but, that ain't gonna happen now, after whatever failure of communication happened here
I suppose it should just be deleted now
grim tusk
Yea probably
hollow shell
I have the sugg saved in case mr emojis wants to repost an improved one tomorrow
Valid suggestion here
Blazing Wheels are another candidate, they can stick around for a while if they're orbiting a separated chunk of wall
burnt bough
k i changed it
hollow shell
👍
kindred sierra
while not a complete counter, you are given boss zen. Also, by the time you fight dungeon bosses, the damage dealt by them is minimal
twilit warren
Yeah I can’t count how many times I’ve lost adrenaline to a spiky ball
crystal iron
Well, Boss Zen doesn't matter if the enemies are already there
in that case, would it be valid to make a sugg about boss zen despawning any nearby enemies
hollow shell
Possibly.
Might be a little jank in practice.
In fact it might be very jank in practice
or exploitable
crystal iron
jank as in code wise or smth else, and sorry but im not too sure how it would be exploitble
unless you nea spawning a very esy boss late game to despawn enemies, ig thats expoitable
in fact ye that is very exploitable
fossil finch
i don't see how would you get anything relevant out of it, tho
ashen warren
I mean yea it could be exploited but i dunno what you'd get out of despawning 20 abyss enemies
still zodiac
easier way to get terminus :5head:
ashen warren
true
ashen warren
but I that doesn't matter much imo
still zodiac
yeah not sure how it could be exploited
ashen warren
by the time you get to boss rush tier you'll shred almost every enemy except for adult eidolon wyrm
still zodiac
there's probably some way to do it, i guess
ashen warren
there would probably be some bugs though
hollow shell
We could make an exception list for anything that brings up the boss health bar, among others
So that you can't avoid the intended punishments of AEW and DG
fossil finch
isn't it as easy as simply despawning every enemy alive
hollow shell
and not make Suspicious Looking Eye into a universal "panic button" to save your ass
ashen warren
yea tbf you could probably spawn eye of cthulhu while trynna get an early muramasa or something to despawn a DG
crystal iron
then maybe just despawns smaller eneies, like devils or smth, larger enemies like earth elemental or cnidrion would be unaffected
im pretty sure thats what you just said anyway
hollow shell
yeah
Could be a valid suggestion.
iunno if the devs wanna put in the effort of making such an exception list and dealing with the reports of needed adjustments for a while afterwards (including mod compatibility and events)
but
could be valid.
ashen warren
it all comes down to what enemy is "big" i guess
hollow shell
How does this work?
Isn't the Abyss too cramped in the first 3 layers for you to make any significant progress with a Portal Gun?
burnt bough
1 portal on surface, 1 whenever you run out of air, and you can refresh your air and go back down (i dont know much about portal gun mechanics, so if this isnt possible ill delete the sugg)
wooden quartz
I don't see why that wouldn't work.
hollow shell
That's how you cheese it with LuiAFK's double-recall (as I have done multiple times)
wooden quartz
Unless portals don't appear in liquids.
hollow shell
Wiki says that portals can be placed in liquids
Even details a funny using 1.4's Inner Tube to gain ridiculous velocity
wooden quartz
"Portals close if the player gets around 1600 feet (800 blocks) away from them, dies, or leaves the world."
is that even to the third layer?
hollow shell
Cavern layer:
burnt bough
i edited it to include wormhole pots, as those are much much more easily exploitable
hazy crow
I do it whenever I'm farming the abyss post ml, it works pretty well tbh
hollow shell
You could include in your reason why they're exploitable
To get air, mainly
But also to skip some areas of the Abyss like RoD allows
hazy crow
tbh I agree that wormhole pots are def kind of an exploit, but the portal gun seems more qol, as you would normally just recall and run back to the abyss
hazy crow
quality of life
hazy crow
oh, just that normally you magic mirror, but with portal gun you dont have to run back to the edge of the world
hollow shell
Well this suggestion is for if you're using the gun in the Abyss
burnt bough
or going thru a portal in the abyss in genearl
hollow shell
If you're just using it on the surface, that's fine
The same as using a Teleporter setup
Speaking of which
hazy crow
not sure what you mean by that, but I usually place the first portal at the surface, and then the second in the abyss next to me whenever I run out of air, to go right back to the surface
oh right, the regular placed teleporters with wires, mb
hazy crow
oh right, because you could just go back down
I guess I have only used it for fighting the adult worm, so I didnt think about that. I see the cheese then for sure
hazy crow
lol yeah hahaha
burnt bough
theres one more abyss suggestion i have, should i wait a few hours to avoid flooding
hazy crow
noodle was asking for tips on the abyss and I told him to use portal gun, but you would have to float back down. Actually never thought about just using the portal back down there my god lol
hollow shell
Yeah, you can only have two suggestions in #suggestions-posting at a time.
dull mirage
hello im new to calamity mod and i wonder which boss should i challenge first?
hollow shell
Better topic for #calamity-mod-talk or #help-advice-read-pins
But this section of the wiki should help you with that: https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Bosses#Boss_Progression
dull mirage
alright thanks
fading silo
Hey....my suggestion hit the 200 mark, but didn't get the check mark. I'm concerned that it wasn't sent to be reviewed?
crude geode
It’s not automatic
fading silo
Ah. I didn't know that
earnest cape
(for mod suggs)
fading silo
Sorry to bother you.
earnest cape
it's alright I don't mind
hollow shell
I'll deliver it 👍
earnest cape
poggies
clever dagger
also this
earnest cape
it's ☑️ which means it's a frequently suggested suggestion
hollow shell
Bluecheck'd suggestions don't get delivered traditionally.
earnest cape
i think it just gets added to the doc for devs to search through?
clever dagger
ah
hollow shell
Not to a doc, no
The original suggestion that the bluecheck was based on gets a special tag in the dev server
earnest cape
ah
grim tusk
Uh seems like bot is dead
zenith hazel
grim tusk
Yea i imagine
Could you check if the sugg i just posted is valid, im not confident with it and im uncertain if it breaks a sugg rule
safe oasis
it might break the too much effort sugg thing but gonna have to ask for a dev's input on that
grim tusk
Yea im unsure because of that
Is suggesting a stratus sphere rework a good idea?
My idea is to make it more like SsV and Arcanum, longer usetime and more deadlier projectiles that would travel for longer and bounce on walls but have no projectile cap
Similarly how it improved SsV’s use as a main weapon (although worsened the lag) instead of being a pretty shitty side weapon as what pretty much Stratus sphere is
clever dagger
imo stratus sphere needs increased homing range, it feels really hard to cover any meaningful area with it which seems to be its place in the first place
safe oasis
reasoning could be elaborated on a bit @unborn jetty
"why not" isn't very convincing
maybe rephrase it somewhat
unborn jetty
how would you suggest i rephrase it?
safe oasis
mention consistency or something
like "the onyx key has these restrictions yet the DCU doesn't which introduces inconsistency between otherwise two functionally similar things"
not verbatim but something like that
unborn jetty
hm
i do want my big takeaway to be that "dcu should have same restrictions as onyx key for abyssal stuff because otherwise abyss is raelly easy to cheese, totally ruining the exploration aspect for the abyss exploration in the first place (much like why its great that rod and noramlity relocater are punished items)"
i guess i just kinda wrote what you said but different anyways lmao
hollow shell
"I'm assuming that the Onyx Key has these blocks to prevent cheesing exploration of the abyss"
You don't know?
Oh, I think I see
It's just worded a little ambiguously
hollow shell
It can be read as you not knowing for sure whether Onyx has those blocks restricted or not
earnest cape
onyx scales with your pickaxe power
unborn jetty
yep
earnest cape
or at least from the top of my head
hollow shell
Actually yes that's correct
When it was first implemented that wasn't a thing, but now it is, which is good
hollow shell
It's at the end of vanilla progression, it has no need to scale
unborn jetty
im pretty sure you cant break lizhard blocks with it before golem but i could be wrong
clever dagger
well yeah bricks are only gated behind pick power right?
unborn jetty
i meant with the DCU
was a stupid fact to bring forward because realistically you wouldnt be able to acquire the DCU pre-golem anyways
unborn jetty
just realized that there is no point in providing a blacklist for the DCU in terms of abyssal shit because by then you have the power to explore it all the way down anyways and terraform it with any pickaxe at that point of the mod anyways, only fault is that alternatives are slower
so nvm my suggestion was kinda shit lmao
maybe scaling pickaxe power for dcu that would be nice 👀
clever dagger
^ id love to use dcu for auric
frail mantle
very minor nitpick but "Allow DCU's mining power to scale with your pickaxe pwoer like onyx drill mount"
twin timber
warm scarab
clever dagger
much betterer
forest ibex
i already finished calamity but i want to do more stuff with calamity what should i do?
candid grove
death mode
frozen hornet
#calamity-mod-talk moment,and I guess you could get into no-hitting or something
earnest cape
nohitting is a terrible idea 
frozen hornet
I mean it's something at least 
crude geode
@hollow shell Can you please inform me about why this suggestion was rejected? Thanks in advance. #suggestions-voting message
hollow shell
Partly because of the title's phrasing, as if it blanket applied to all mounts, when there are a few mounts which are very powerful
And some were also worried that making mounts too good would create a more rigid meta with fewer options/customization, as opposed to builds centered around mobility accessories
crude geode
Gotcha
earnest cape
i feel this begs the question of if mounts are getting rebalanced too
pine star
Alicorn got nerfed
crude geode
not enough It will still be faster if my math is right
pine star
oh
crude geode
20% of 107 (Alicorn's current speed) is 85, which is faster than Gaze's 77.
crude geode
It's also completely not worth it, since you need 100 souls of night and a dragon egg. not yharon's egg, a dragon egg from OOA.
It's also almost matched in speed by Bumbledoge, a pre-provi mount, with 72 horizontal speed, when it's (going to be) a post-DoG mount.
pine star
It's also completely not worth it, since you need 100 souls of night and a drago...
what?
fading silo
Nah. They just broken
crude geode
@hollow shell Do you wanna exclaim this suggestion about Gaze until Crysthamyr is able to respond?
earnest cape
habbit methinks
crude geode
^
warm scarab
ah
earnest cape
all hail thomas
warm scarab
weird habit but ok
crude geode
I stole copied it from thomas
warm scarab
earnest cape
:)
fading silo
Legit. The plague bringer donor set along with the Plague Hive makes the bee gun op.
pine star
I ~~stole~~ copied it from thomas
earnest cape
let's just hope it'll get rebalanced
crude geode
dono weapons are op until they get nerfed, when they become completely and utterly neutered and okay looks at kelvin catalyst
earnest cape
mad cock glove
fading silo
Cause not only are you spawning bees, but as you run and shoot you spawn plague bees and they’re all boosted cause of the armor and Plague Hive.
It’s insane
cobalt pewter
cock moment
fading silo
Lunic eye upgrade
crude geode
Fair
warm scarab
@crude geode i realized gaze isn't bound to a mode while alicorn is rev+
which means
gaze benifits expert players
crude geode
That matters very little.
warm scarab
well
crude geode
It still only barely outclasses Bumbledoge
crude geode
Mhm
tranquil perch
It's also completely not worth it, since you need 100 souls of night and a drago...
100 souls of night 
crude geode
The fact that it still uses the DD2 Dragon Egg instead of Yharon’s Egg is kinda ridiculous.
pine star
yeah
warm scarab
The fact that it still uses the DD2 Dragon Egg instead of Yharon’s Egg is kinda ...
ask the donor why he chose to do that
crude geode
It still only barely outclasses Bumbledoge
I forgot that Bumbledoge actually fires Mini Swarmers so it even outdoes Gaze in dps
warm scarab
what
it does?
i only tested the speed and mobility but yeah
bumble is kind of better
easier to get
clever canopy
Good sugg, could also have an ogre drop
cobalt pewter
Personally I want to see a Dark Mage drop, because T1 lacks proper OOA equipment drops
(most OOA things in T1 are from Tavernkeep)
cobalt pewter
yeeeeees
eternal escarp
biblethump the enemies
cobalt pewter
Ka-thunk
clever canopy
Ogre works well for a rogue weapon since one of his attacks is throwing based
Could be a snot-bomb sorta thing
eternal escarp
gross snot tbh
fossil finch
it's stealth strike does an ogre and has an extremely bs enormous hitbox
fading silo
Imagine having a rogue weapon that had a secondary attack like the old one's army weapons?
eternal escarp
theres already one atleast
cobalt pewter
Legendary rogue weapons
eternal escarp
Final Dawn comes to mind too
eternal escarp
yes
cobalt pewter
Just 2
eternal escarp
the funnies
fading silo
I assumed that.
fading silo
Stealth strike kind of useless imo.
fading silo
Bro. You have to stop attacking to use it and it can only be used...like once?
dapper coral
(it will be more gaming™️ in 1.5 so don't worry bout that)
fading silo
Cool
cobalt pewter
Yes
I hopefully don't need to explain it again
But just look at change 256 in #changelogs
fading silo
That's kind of sad
eternal escarp
like said there, it is now changed
earnest cape
Bruh you had to wear multiple of the same accessories?
just like tanking :D
fading silo
Imagine not having a variety of accessories
crystal iron
just like tanking :D
wait you can stack accesories
burnt bough
im only allowed to have 2 suggestions in the channel at any time correct
fading silo
Oh. I thought it was only one.
pine star
But just look at change 256 in <#369115362186231809>
You need to save that
pine star
HAHAHA
cobalt pewter
@vocal grotto Infernum momentum
cobalt pewter
@void river the detail about the amount of portals can be removed
cobalt pewter
The last paragraph refers to changelogs, remove that
earnest cape
the last line is future sug
cobalt pewter
That part counts as future content
frail mantle
eternal escarp
im not ready for serious man yet
void river
kinda just wrote it on a whim
eternal escarp
i need to gather resourced before the Seriousening™️
void river
that and because i thought it would make the fight more interesting
cobalt pewter
Building your sugg beforehand would be nicer
eternal escarp
this combined with the fact that the DOGs bite attack is no longer an instant kill would also grant the DOG more emphasis on bite or charge related attacks rather then its old habit of spamming projectiles to keep the player running and jumping.
could be prolly removed
cobalt pewter
But direct feedbacks like this would work too
And as blast said
Remove that part
void river
yes, i guess that's me adding my opinion
void river
also i'm surviving on like 5 hours of sleep
eternal escarp
Yes, Devourer of Gods' abbreviation is DoG, technically
i was emphasizing on the word "the" being there byeah
cobalt pewter
Ah
eternal escarp
but ye now it looks better
cobalt pewter
They might meant "to"
frail mantle
Could also potentially reword that part to be more about how the god eating serpent doesn’t really use its mouth beyond moving towards you and deleting you upon contact with the mouth
void river
i meant the insta-kill feature is being removed
void river
and it's a telegraphed attack
eternal escarp
i meant the insta-kill feature is being removed
you cant talk about future content in sugg currently
so thats kinda why
void river
even if you avoid the head, you can still run into the body segments
cobalt pewter
i meant the insta-kill feature is being removed
You shouldn't refer to this specific part, as it's currently only part of changelogs, and thus, unreleased, future content
eternal escarp
they did remove it though so yeah
void river
ahhh
cobalt pewter
Try to refer stuff in current version instead
unborn jetty
why is it not acceptable to give suggestions for future additions tho
earnest cape
i mean
void river
thought the changelog was the log to list what has changed
eternal escarp
why is it not acceptable to give suggestions for future additions tho
because you wait for the update to release first
to criticize it
cobalt pewter
why is it not acceptable to give suggestions for future additions tho
Doc in pins about future content
frail mantle
Because you haven’t experienced the changes in action
cobalt pewter
But yes, as serious man and blast said
frail mantle
I think that’s the reason anyway
earnest cape
even if you avoid the head, you can still run into the body segments
if you're moving around aimlessly you shouldn't be hit with the body since the body follows where the head's going
so dodge head=dodge body
unborn jetty
fair enough
eternal escarp
i am pretty sure that is the main reason, because you should experience something before you ask to change / add / remove / whatever
unborn jetty
👍
unborn jetty
taste and adjust just like cooking
void river
aside from that. good sugg or not good sugg?
cobalt pewter
warrented
A typo
eternal escarp
the idea is something i have no opinion on tbf
unborn jetty
aside from that. good sugg or not good sugg?
this is a nitpick but i think "cult classic" isnt used properly
cobalt pewter
Also I don't think the word "warranted" fits in that context
void river
what's a more iconic modded terraria boss then the DoG
eternal escarp
SG and Scal and Mutant ig
eternal escarp
byeah
unborn jetty
desert scourge
cobalt pewter
seem fair and warrented
What does this mean?
Like
If it's "fair and balanced", yeah
Might be better with that wording
void river
i really need to re-read what i post
frail mantle
It happens
earnest cape
indeed
unborn jetty
i remember i tried rewriting my suggestion in 4 different ways and then i just deleted it because i forgot what the point of what i was suggesting was
frail mantle
At least you actually bothered to come here and listen to feedback 
unborn jetty
void river
i remember i tried rewriting my suggestion in 4 different ways and then i just d...
most times i try to suggest something, that's what ends up happening
i just say fuck it and move on
unborn jetty
i was trying to suggest yesterday that the DCU should have the same abyssal block blacklist as the Onyx Key, but it was hard to expand on it i guess
the main point was that "ez cheese abyss with dcu because no blacklist for blocks in abyss" but it was hard for me to put forward my point
clever dagger
tbh imo dog needs more bullet hell aspect lol
void river
as if providence, yharon and Scal didn't have enough of that
void river
see suggestion i posted
clever dagger
yeah thats what prompted me to say that lol
void river
if the appeal of the DoG is charging at the player, then play into that aspect of the fight
fading silo
tbh imo dog needs more bullet hell aspect lol
No. Bullet hell = frustration
clever dagger
g o o d
fading silo
I’d rather not want to punch something during a fight that I actually really like.
clever dagger
well in its current state imo dog is super easy and underwhelming for the amount of build-up
fading silo
Can agree....but that could be because of how stupid the worm ai/aggro is.
Legit. DoG once ran away from me just to turn around.
clever dagger
if people wanna expand upon it with more charge attacks and harder to dodge dashes then thats fine but it definitely needs to be expanded on
fading silo
Aquatic Scourge has better aggro than DoG.
It will heat seek your soul during the entire fight.
Yet DoG just flies around aimlessly most of the time.
pine star
Legit. DoG once ran away from me just to turn around.
Feint
grim tusk
@zenith hazel bot killed itself
cobalt pewter
@burnt bough the fact that you can get Abyss stuff without ever visiting it is a conscious, considerate design choice by Fab
burnt bough
why is that?
cobalt pewter
burnt bough
so you should let people avoid going into the abyss bc they are "too afraid?"
the stuff you get from it isnt even must have items
you shouldnt be just handed the items if your too afraid to go down there
cobalt pewter
Also crate loot is going to be nerfed in 1.5 I think
So it won't be as easy to hoard from those
burnt bough
nerfed in what way
pine star
nerfed in what way
less stuff per crate
crude geode
so you should let people avoid going into the abyss bc they are "too afraid?"
Terraria by definition is a sandbox game. Plenty of other materials are obtainable by fishing, such as blood orbs and bloodstone. It’s a freedom of choice, and I think it’s nice that you don’t have to go fight random enemy #103737 for a material, and can instead just fish. That said, the amount could still be adjusted so fighting Reaper Sharks is overall better.
burnt bough
Terraria by definition is a sandbox game. Plenty of other materials are obtainab...
by that logic, why make cosmilite bars only obtainable from dog? plenty of other materials are available from fishing, such as blood orbs and bloodstone. It’s a freedom of choice, and I think it’s nice that you don’t have to go fight random enemy #103737 for a material, and can instead just fish. further, unlike reaper teeth cosmilite is vital to game progression so if the player cant beat dog, they should be able to obtain cosmilite another way
crude geode
Cosmilite is an actually important endgame material? Instead of just some random material from a miniboss some might not want to fight.
clever dagger
i mean
cosmilite is never REQUIRED to beat the game
wait nvm
dradeon forge requires 5
burnt bough
Cosmilite is an actually important endgame material? Instead of just some random...
but what if the player wants to continue in the mod without beating dog? its a sandbox game, shouldnt they have that freedom of choice?
clever dagger
then they can fight yharon pre dog
crude geode
That’s exaggeration of the sandbox element. You can’t progress into hardmode without killing WoF, you should have to kill DoG for Cosmilite. I don’t believe that you should have to fight a Reaper Shark to add their teeth into the crate pool, as it’s a unimportant material used in only a handful of recipes, and it’s only a miniboss.
clever dagger
if you want a true sandbox, install cheat sheet lol
burnt bough
exactly, its only a miniboss, so whats so hard about going down into the abyss and killing a few
clever dagger
if its not hard then why make it a requirement?
burnt bough
its not a requirement, you dont need reaper teeth to beat the game
but that doesnt mean reaper teeth should just be handed to you for free
crude geode
#changelogs message
@burnt bough Might wanna wait on this suggestion
burnt bough
nah ill edit it to a more extreme degree and see if it goes anywhere
clever dagger
good sugg but change the reasoning beyond "it would make sense" to something more along the lines of convenience and having to go through the sulphur sea every trip
rugged belfry
Or going back up through the sulphuric sea to get out, get air, etc.
hollow shell
Two things
One, is this your suggestion? If not, why isn't the writer posting it themselves?
Two, "In addition, in respects to the recent changes of #changelogs, more features from vanilla 1.4 should be added to the Calamity mod, as it'll allow for the more unique features of 1.4 to be added into 1.3, and make usage of mods more enjoyable."
Not only is this vague but you're also not supposed to use changelog content in your suggestion's reason
rugged belfry
- They didnt know how it worked, and asked me to do it
- Oh, I'll remove that part then. Or, at least, the changelog section
hollow shell
Alright
The bit at the end about 1.4 having a recipe is questionable but I think it's prolly okay
rugged belfry
Yeah, I tried to not have it seem like I was asking for a specific recipe
I might remove that, or reword it
mayybe that's okay
That good? Or should more be changed
ashen finch
man, FlamingNoodle is tossing the cosmolite strawman HARD.
Cosmolite and Reaper Teeth are fundamentally different materials, both in lore and in gameplay importance.
Cosmolite is a super-tough space alloy mainly used in DoG's plating, designed to allow it to be extremely durable without sacrificing flexibility.
Reaper Teeth are the teeth of a Reaper Shark, naturally honed to a vorpal edge
Reaper Sharks are living creatures: they live, they die.
rugged belfry
DoG is a self proclaimed eater of celestial beings
ashen finch
And even if that wasn't the case, sharks in general grow MASSIVE amounts of teeth, and never really STOP growing teeth
So, they drop teeth in the water to make way for new ones, or when they die, their teeth fall off as their body decomposes.
As such, it's plausible that there are Reaper teeth in the waters of the Abyss.
More likely, lodged in the rock somewhere.
And even then, Reaper Teeth are only used for a few nonvital things in Calamity.
On the other hand, Cosmolite is used in tons of end game gear
Plus, as Fabsol stated, the Abyss is designed so that you DON'T have to dive into it to get that one bit of loot.
People don't like fishing in Terraria.
So, if you REALLY don't want to dive into the abyss, but you also have a massive need for the Abyss' loot, there's another way.
Plus also IMO gating loot behind world generation sounds like a really risky play. What if that piece of loot you needed didn't generate?
I don't think being able to fish up reaper teeth is a massive issue, as it makes biological sense.
rugged belfry
Plus, if I want Reaper Teeth, I'd rather have a nice, relaxing fishing trip than go through a poisonous acid ocean and murder some bloodthirsty demon sharks in a place I can hardly breath
ashen finch
As does being able to fish up hadopelagic loot
Some people get unnerved by the Abyss' ambiance.
That's a sign its ambiance is working
I'm one of those people who loves the abyss, because it feels DEEPLY uncomfortable.
I love that it perfectly encapsulates what it tries to be: an oceanic trench filled with real animals for the most part, that feels crushingly empty and yet claustrophobic. You can feel the eyes watching you in the abyss, and I love that horror vibe.
crude geode
Some people are scared of the oceans and the deep sea, and tbh that’s completely fine. Have you seen some of the freaky shit down there? It’s wack, and you can’t blame people for being terrified.
ashen finch
but I hate fishing with one line even more than I hate the feeling of being watched, a true testament to how much I hate single-line fishing, so I swallow my pride and dive in.
Plus, there are things you can ONLY get from the enemies by killing them
crude geode
Mhm, such as the unique, powerful weapons from the minibosses.
ashen finch
Halibut Cannon, for one.
Calamari's Lament as well.
The Reaper Shark weapons, including the eternally broken Deep Sea Dumbell.
crude geode
You also have to keep in mind the fact that a lot of things drop from Crates. Most of the Post-Aureus weapons, Meld Blobs and Astral Bars, unholy essence and uelibloom bars.
ashen finch
Meld Blobs, I theorize, are mashed up astral and lunar creatures
unholy essence, I have no clue
crude geode
It's a reward for choosing to fish, and spending your time doing that, and removing them would remove a large part of the benefit from fishing.
ashen finch
True
crude geode
man, FlamingNoodle is tossing the cosmolite strawman HARD.
@burnt bough See the above arguments by Speedynamo, btw.
There's plenty of rewards available only through combat, and if you wanted to make Reaper Teeth only when you've defeated a Reaper Shark that would be much more reasonable than completely removing them.
#suggestions-posting message
@hollow shell Thoughts on this suggestion?
ashen finch
nah, I think they should still be fishable
because it makes logical sense, and it leans into Fabsol's design philosophy with the Abyss
crude geode
I meant like, after you've defeated one you can then fish them up. I still think they should as well, but a argument could be made in relation to things like the Astral Crate only dropping post-aureus things after you've defeated Astrum Aureus.
ashen finch
making them be locked in fishing until after you've slain a Reaper Shark just feels like it goes against that.
Now, to be fair, Reaper Teeth are FAR from necessary to beat Calamity
it's a nice idea, but maybe the gate should be tied away from the abyss.
Possible ideas I had off the top of my head include after Old Duke has been defeated, after DoG, or after Yhar-one
crude geode
That wouldn't be too bad. Yhar-one is getting removed though. It's gonna be just one fight with no Dakrsun intermission.
ashen finch
true
crude geode
I do think gating it behind Polterghast should be fine enough tho, at least imo. But FlamingNoodle seems to think otherwise.
ashen warren
The only really important item locked behind abyss diving is terminus tbh
ashen finch
As for the Abyssal Diving Suit recommendation, I agree with Noodle
crude geode
Personally, I just setup a teleporter right next to the abyss with one of the totems that give water breathing/acid immunity, but that suggestion does make entering it easier.
crude geode
Tbh it also argues with Fabsol's logic which is...kind of odd to me.
crude geode
True
hollow shell
Indeed, it's hyperbolic
Cosmilite Bars are required to progress the game, Reaper Teeth aren't
grim tusk
Reaper teeth are only used for a pretty good accs and an armor that is only used by nohitters (aka its fucking irrelevant), otherwise they are pretty irrelevant unlike cosmilite
And they are dropped by an optional miniboss rather than a boss required for progress as many times it has been mentioned
ashen warren
The most notable things you're going to get out of reaper teeth is an armor set (which is completely optional and not used by a lot of players) and reaper tooth necklace, and both of those are completely optional and neither of them make the game trivial or anything.
Cosmilite on the other hand are basically given to you due to being dropped by a boss that's required to progress. Cosmilite is used for many important gear and most notably, Draedon's Forge
grim tusk
Maybe have the teeth locked behind having to kill at least 1 shark would be better but that’ll make it inconsistent with Cragnaw mire and Giant Clam among other issues
ashen warren
Yea I think that comes with it's own issues
grim tusk
Pretty much the only relevant things made with the teeth are monsoon and the necklace, the other stuff its either irrelevant or is just bad
ashen warren
and they can be completely ignored with little consequence
grim tusk
No consequences*
ashen warren
I mean I think sacrificing a bit of dps just because you're lazy to grind for teeth is a minor consequence but overall it's so minor that it doesn't matter.
grim tusk
Also diving suit giving resistance to sulphuric acid would not make sense
also effigy of decay, sulphurskin potion and Aquatic scourge lore exist
crude geode
Unless it's getting replaced next update, scourge lore does not exist.
ashen warren
ig they can integrate some random recipe into the suit to justify but it's not necessary
rose latch
the suit makes you go down faster anyway and the amount of damage caused by the debuff isn't much compared to how much health you would have at that part of the game
plus as mentioned before there potions too
eternal escarp
does this count as a balance sugg?
cobalt pewter
HotE is strong in certain aspects
eternal escarp
its not a weapon so idk
cobalt pewter
But it's messy as fuck that overall it's hard to gauge its effectiveness
eternal escarp
HotE with visibility is basically a summoner accesory
HotE without visibility is just a filler accesory which is basically not that good for any class
earnest cape
heart is around equal to absorber in both stats and acquasition imo
it's community^2
eternal escarp
well, id say absorber does its use better, since it focuses on something and does it well
HotE doesnt really have any focus if its not with the summons
its just a medium-small stat stick everywhere
earnest cape
doesn't have a focus but damn it does a good job at being a stat stick with visibility off
eternal escarp
ig, but at the same time its just generally overshadowed by better stuff
atleast afaik
earnest cape
eh preference ig
half wadi
Should heart of the elements get buffed? I remember getting it and being quite disappointed
eternal escarp
i personally think it should just stop being a stat stick and be focused on something and do it good
earnest cape
(just a REALLY minor nitpick, recommend adding line breaks at the space on the red lines) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697433383793459234/838012234918658108/unknown.png
no embed byeah
crude geode
@warm scarab Recommend removing the last paragraph tbh. Really unnecessary.
crude geode
Aren’t enrages changing next update?
crude geode
I’m thinking of malice yeah. Wondering if Malice’s addition means the removal of normal enrages or if normal enrages are still just “fuck you for leaving this biome, die”
earnest cape
we shall see
fading silo
I came up with a post-PBG ranged weapon. Even though it's a SIS, I would at least like to share it here.
earnest cape
#calamity-mod-talk would probably be a better place
fading silo
There's no point cause it's just going to get covered up by other convos. It's fine....I just have other ideas besides this weapon.
clever dagger
imo community should stop being a stat stick and actually be worth going for 1 or 2 stats
like maybe flight time or max life, or something that makes it special
eternal escarp
(doesnt it already do something with flight time?)
clever dagger
yeah 15% it already does stuff with max hp too
but im saying is it should stop being a stat stick and go full into providing large bonuses to stats other accessories generally dont touch
eternal escarp
yeah true
ashen warren
Because you don’t swing staffs
eternal escarp
melee only gets it for swords
ashen warren
Hold on, do you even know how the violent reforge works
ashen warren
atleast, i think its swords only
Yea iirc
fading silo
Ok, but there are no accessories that will increase your fire-rate.
eternal escarp
also making violent work for all classes per say would likely require a fuckton of balancing
not prolly, it 100% will tbf
ashen warren
Ok, but there are no accessories that will increase your fire-rate.
Guns aren’t close range Tom
eternal escarp
tom
fading silo
Yes, you can increase velocity and stuff, but if you look at the wiki. The most weapons are melee and the least amount of weapons are summoner. Now that isn't on topic but I sense some bias with weapon variety.
ashen warren
Dude, melee speed only affects the rate that your sword swings
fading silo
I know
ashen warren
If you do that with any other class it’ll be a bit broken
eternal escarp
*theres more swords then summons as a whole
fading silo
a bit too many
Also there are little to no pre-hardmode range accessories.
I know that there is the medallion
ashen warren
It works for True Melee because True Melee is an optional thing and isn’t good for an optimal playthrough
eternal escarp
how is that related to the original question?
fading silo
Nvm.
fading silo
That's my fault
There aren't enough accessories that give variety.
Ya know?
Legit. There aren't enough diverse accessories for each class. Yes this is just the offense side of the accessories, but it kind of proves my point.
I know that there are prob more accessories
eternal escarp
(ranged as a whole has less unique accesories, but at the same time it is ranged class, which is mostly known for being more bland then the rest)
fading silo
Bruh. Melee is just swing sword or throw boomerang, etc.
eternal escarp
thats just
boiling down the weapons
as much as that theres alot of generic broadsword projectile swords, they arent all 100% the same
and, melee has quite a few subclasses
its not all just swords
fading silo
I know. But how many of them are you actually going to use?
fading silo
Ok. That's fine.
eternal escarp
aslong as they arent utter shit id use them
even if they were utter shit i might use them just because they arent just generic broadsword projectile #18965151
byeah
crude geode
looks at vanilla
Why does Calamity have so many broadswords?
It’s not like the three post-final boss weapons for vanilla are broadswords or something. 
eternal escarp
i didnt say theres not alot of swords
fading silo
I know
eternal escarp
i just said melee still has a bit more variety
while ranged is mostly seen as less unique
fading silo
You can do more than just gun and bow
crude geode
If you want a variety class you play mage or ranged or rogue. If you wanna play melee or summoner, you use broadswords and summons.
eternal escarp
obviously its not bland all around, its just the blandest when compared to the rest of the classes
clever dagger
off topic but why tf is pwnagehammer a boomerang
eternal escarp
coding classifications or smthn
fading silo
Cause it thrown and come back or something
eternal escarp
it doesnt come back byeah
clever dagger
it doesnt come back
eternal escarp
it acts more like a bomb
fading silo
Oh ye
eternal escarp
but classified ingame as a bomerang
fading silo
I was thinking of the upgrade
More like a downgrade
But ye
Also are the rare variant weapons neccessary?
I'm not trying to crap on this mod. I'm just curious.
eternal escarp
they are already dealt with
technically
they will become "Challenge Drops", exclusive to enraged (via malice only for now) bosses in 1.5
crude geode
All enrages are changed to be not bullshit
eternal escarp
enraged are also getting some changes and stuff
eternal escarp
its still aint gonna be an easy fight
but it will be made sure to be doable tleast
fading silo
I find it weird how they say not to suggest vanilla changes yet they remove the hardmode ore spawn and change the mech bosses...like what?
crude geode
The vanilla changes thing is very specific.
It says not to suggest anything regarding backwards implementing JE, or hard coded things.
fading silo
Like? I'm just trying to get an understanding
crude geode
You’re reading the don’ts document? It’s fairly clear for most of the don’ts.
dapper coral
I find it weird how they say not to suggest vanilla changes yet they remove the ...
the guideline is more because suggestions is better for not-massive changes like that
if a change like that happens, it's because the devs decided of their own volition that this is how they want the mod to be, not because a suggester asked for it, if you get what i mean
cobalt pewter
I was actually curious if quarterstaff usestyle (take Sky Dragon's Fury and Typhon's Greed) takes melee speed bonuses the same way Broadsword does
dapper coral
essentially the massive sweeping changes like changing vanilla stuff or whatever, is best left to the devs organically, rather than the community
crude geode
It’s also much more likely to occur, and with more precision, since the devs are actual game designers who generally know what they’re doing, instead of random fans who want to help the mod grow.
fading silo
Thanks for clearing that up. I think I have a better understanding now.
warm scarab
off topic but why tf is pwnagehammer a boomerang
redcode™️ moment
because how terraria work
hollow shell
(Why does that apply to Pwnagehammer, our weapon?)
(I can see exactly where the mistake is in our source)
marble hazel
(Why does that apply to Pwnagehammer, our weapon?)
red coded pwnagehammer 😳
earnest cape
:haah
frail mantle
wouldn't really be a point in buffing the stardust set bonus now when it's already buffed in JE
crude geode
@sage swallow ^
sage swallow
sorry but whats JE? ;-;
sage swallow
oh ok
frozen hornet
oraoraora guardian
sage swallow
yeah but i just said that it should be changed to the new guardian cuz its much better. and yeah i know there will be 1.4 modloader at some point but maybe at the end of this year or somewhere next year (at least i think so)
and it would be cool to have the guardian earlier
crude geode
Backporting 1.4 content is a don’t.
frail mantle
eah
sage swallow
why?
frail mantle
it's also disallowed by tMod ToS iirc
crude geode
Also cuz it’s kind of a waste of time when tmodloader is eventually going to get to JE
sage swallow
oh ok
fossil finch
Obligatory mention of summoner's association
fossil finch
It displays sentry slots alongside summon slots bruh
cobalt pewter
Ah
cobalt pewter
Technically, Meld stuff is confusing
It tries to be Rogue's fragment alternative yet it tries to be an all class situation at the same time
gray nebula
the rogue version of a pickaxe lmao
distant gyro
It tries to be Rogue's fragment alternative yet it tries to be an all class situ...
it actually doesn't try to be the former at all
distant gyro
the only connection anyone has to calling the empyrean armor a lunar fragment alt is that it happens to make a pml rogue armor
- The material drops from something for any class and therefore classless
- There is no hamaxe, block, monolith, dye, or celestial pillar to counterpart the set
- Cannot be crafted or turned into Lunar Fragments or vice versa
- The wings are Pre-ML
- The pickaxe doesn't even have identical stats
cobalt pewter
@sand ibex 
for don'ts doc
cobalt pewter
Don't base your suggestions around "self imposed challenges"
sand ibex
oh
eternal escarp
technically you can always use them even if you choose one class
its technically your fault if you force yourself to not use other classes for damage
cobalt pewter
eternal escarp
the title mentiones subclasses but the description fits the current discussion
cobalt pewter
Mhm
cobalt pewter
sand ibex
suggestion
eternal escarp
its fine, it happens
cobalt pewter
Uhh, you can change or delete the sugg ye
eternal escarp
and yeah, prolly deletion is your best bet unless you can rephrase the sugg to fit the Don'ts
sand ibex
rip
cobalt pewter
In any case, why doesn't Rogue get a dedicated fragment instead of shoehorning it's post-Cultist / post-ML stuff on what's supposed to be all class?
Why not rework Empyrean armor to not require Meld?
sand ibex
a 5th pillar would be a bit awkward
cobalt pewter
There are a lot of cases where the fragments can just
Drop from existing event structure
(or in Abyss Fragment's case, straight up from Cultist)
(from Orchid mod)
sand ibex
i think making a rogue pillar would just be putting a bandaid on the fact of how pillars are poorly designed
cobalt pewter
No I'm not saying pillars
Then again, Fab wanted a Pillar rework a while back
So who knows......?
sand ibex
that really should happen
sand ibex
i have a good idea on how to fix pillars but im pretty sure it breaks the rules so i wont suggest it
cobalt pewter
Mm
Mainly on the scope of the idea the sugg would be bad for
Suggs are meant for relatively smaller things
sand ibex
yeah its a pretty large suggestion even if it would be decently easy to implement
tranquil perch
- The material drops from something for any class and therefore classless
- Ther...
Solution: make another pillar
fossil finch
photo you know how that ends up
dapper coral
alternative solution: don't do that
clever dagger
wasnt that an explicit dont
worn salmon
alternative solution make rogue fragments made from solar and vortex fragments
hollow shell
(why those two specifically)
grim tusk
Alternative: just dont (also it would make more sense to use all of em but like that exists already)
grim tusk
Solution: make another pillar
Another pillar, more bullshit to add into the already awful celestial event
crude geode
It already is next update, with lower enemies spawning at less kills, and harder ones the more kills done
fossil finch
))/s))
rugged belfry
Solution: make another pillar
That sounds like a ton of work + where would you put it?
And what Storm said, Pillars are just a useless event that can be entirely replaced by having the Cultist drop fragments instead
tranquil perch
It was satire
rugged belfry
Why
rugged belfry
Satire 😔
tranquil perch
Another pillar, more bullshit to add into the already awful celestial event
I wasn't being serious
tranquil perch
(why those two specifically)
Probably because rogue is an awkward mix of melee and ranged
rugged belfry
If you're not gunna be serious this isnt the channel for you
haughty owl
Question
Are suggestions intended for multiplayer only allowed?
Specifically a QoL change
hollow shell
That should be okay yeah
haughty owl
Guess I'll be more specific about it first
My suggestion idea is having a little indicator that shows who a boss is targeting. For example, an arrow over a players head or a little glow
hollow shell
Yep, that's fine
haughty owl
I'll probably suggest it once I get home later
hollow shell
Been suggested before, but it was a while ago
haughty owl
Really? Had no idea
rugged belfry
Irony is allowed every once in a while
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ashen finch
I mean
ashen finch
- The material drops from something for any class and therefore classless
- Ther...
This can actually be fixed by making an Empyrean Hamaxe, Shard of the Cosmos, Celestial monolith/dye.
Meld Blobs drop from lunar mobs, as do lunar fragments.
earnest cape
right I can't send images
unless you're talking about another lunar mob I'm not aware of meld blobs already drop from the pillar mobs
clever dagger
iirc fab said multi is always gonna be fucked and they werent gonna even try
warm scarab
the thing is, mp boss hp scaling being reduced makes 0 sense
earnest cape
you can increase boss' health in config
haughty owl
I've always wondered how bosses choose their target
warm scarab
@ashen warren nurse's price is multiplied by 5 during a boss fight, and completely disabled in death mode
ashen warren
Should be disabled when a boss is alive all together
5x the price is not bad
Dude
If they wanted to do that they would’ve already done that
hollow shell
@ashen warren A more extensive reason would be welcome
You could explain why the current 5x price (along with the progression-based scaling) is not enough
earnest cape
it's disabled in death
whole sedge
Plus nurse cheese is also something the player has to intentionally do
Kind of should mention death at least because of the Nurse changes and explain why it should be expanded to all modes 
haughty owl
I guess I can somewhat agree with your nurse cheese suggestion on Rev+ but on lower difficulties at least, I see it as a way to give newer players a second chance at the boss fight which I think is fine
whole kraken
kind of sad they won't be paying any attention to multiplayer considering how much fun it could be (it's already really fun as it is in some cases)
earnest cape
that really isn't the case
whole kraken
but yeah, an aggro indicator would be nice